Round 3 - Carlton v Essendon (Home Game)
Saturday, 18 April@13:45
MCG
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The team and Mick needs a solid 4 quarter performance... I'd settle for 2.
White out.
Reckon we'll see more changes this week.
Have tickets for this game. Might give it a miss.
Im going to forget AfL exists next weekend.
Considering how they hung in against the Swans before tiring in the final term, Carlton will be done and dusted by half time.
This could get really ugly. Should they pummel us and then we lose to the Aints the following week Mick will be gone. I guess that's not such a bad trade.
This could get really ugly. Should they pummel us and then we lose to the Aints the following week Mick will be gone. I guess that's not such a bad trade.
Saints will beat us Carrots.
Have tickets for this game. Might give it a miss.
x2.
Bought a membership 2 days before Round 1. :o
I got sucked in to the hype like I do most pre seasons. Won happen again.
I'm was not a Ratten fan but at least we were exciting (at times) and had the ability when we wanted to play to beat a top 4 team. Games like next week were a real possibility we could come out and win well. Not anymore!
How long has it been since we played exciting footy or beat a top 4 team?
I'm over it.
This game and what might happen is too horrible to even contemplate.
I try not to be too negative, but I can't see this one having the result I want. I really hate Essendon. That the drug cheats have got away with so much and received so much AFL support when we received nothing irritates me no end. I'll be there: I already have my tickets. However, I am not expecting to enjoy myself.
im going and I am going to have a few more drinks to forget...
x2.
Bought a membership 2 days before Round 1. :o
I got sucked in to the hype like I do most pre seasons. Won happen again.
I'm was not a Ratten fan but at least we were exciting (at times) and had the ability when we wanted to play to beat a top 4 team. Games like next week were a real possibility we could come out and win well. Not anymore!
How long has it been since we played exciting footy or beat a top 4 team?
I'm over it.
Last year, we beat North Melbourne...lol.
See your point though.
People might see Ratts in a different light now. He would be sitting back chuckling while his team, Hawthorn, kills it. Assistant coach, no stress, and premiers every year. What could be better. Karma has worked well for him.
All the blokes Io wanted to see do well today for the NB's did well, Walker, Graham, Boekhurst, Whiley, Buckley plus Armfield kicked 4. Chuck them all in plus Cripps. Refresh the whole thing.
This week. More about giving others a go more than winning so hence I changed my mind on some of the structures from last week.
Buckley Jammo White
Simpson Henderson Docherty
Whiley Judd Everitt
Menzel Casboult Yarran
Walker Watson Armfield
Wood Gibbs Murphy
Cripps, Grahram, Boekhorst, Bell
Watson has a next week to do something before Jaksch returns.
All the blokes Io wanted to see do well today for the NB's did well, Walker, Graham, Boekhurst, Whiley, Buckley plus Armfield kicked 4. Chuck them all in plus Cripps. Refresh the whole thing.
Who were they up against Laj, a bunch of U18s?
Who were they up against Laj, a bunch of U18s?
Doesn't matter, they got a kick. You can do what you can with you're put up against. If you do well then then get promoted.
Doesn't matter, they got a kick. You can do what you can with you're put up against. If you do well then then get promoted.
Fair enough, I wasn't there so I can't comment.
I'd love to see 1AW stand on Carlisles head just one more time, and then have Luke "The Hair Sniffer" Darcy give somebody else 2015 Mark of the Year again just to prove what a dickhead Darcy is!
Feck we've been done over in recent years, and nobody at the top end of our club seems to care!
I'm hopeful we can dig deep against one of our traditional foes. I just want to see some team cohesion and it's probably time to move those mid-twenties guys who are below average on.
Get through with no injuries and we may beat the Saints the following week. A surprise win and we can be 2-2, so who knows.
I'm hopeful we can dig deep against one of our traditional foes. I just want to see some team cohesion and it's probably time to move those mid-twenties guys who are below average on.
Get through with no injuries and we may beat the Saints the following week. A surprise win and we can be 2-2, so who knows.
Years ago we were like cut snakes when our back was to the wall, now we look more like a slab of beef thrown in the Lions den!
Seeing Smith, and Judd, rip off some Wet Toast jumpers was at least some sign of resistance!
Smith, the kid on the field had more go than 10 year players, despite his complete lack of readiness for AFL!
All the blokes Io wanted to see do well today for the NB's did well, Walker, Graham, Boekhurst, Whiley, Buckley plus Armfield kicked 4. Chuck them all in plus Cripps. Refresh the whole thing.
x2..got nothing to lose and if we can find a player or two ie Whiley, Boekhorst etc then its worth it.....
Years ago we were like cut snakes when our back was to the wall, now we look more like a slab of beef thrown in the Lions den!
Seeing Smith, and Judd, rip off some Wet Toast jumpers was at least some sign of resistance!
Smith, the kid on the field had more go than 10 year players, despite his complete lack of readiness for AFL!
Man, Judd looked like he was a bee's dick away from doing something that was going to get him suspended in that exchange.
Man, Judd looked like he was a bee's dick away from doing something that was going to get him suspended in that exchange.
Do you blame him, would you be unhappy if that happened?
I wouldn't, at least I'd know without doubt he was hurting like me! That he needed and wanted it to go to another level!
Having a spud like that poke fun at a champion is another disgrace for our club, where were Judd's team-mates as he got mauled. Running away no doubt!
PS: If the spud harassed a Hodge or StevieJ their team-mates would have turned the spud into chuck steak by the final siren!
Do you blame him, would you be unhappy if that happened?
I wouldn't, at least I'd know without doubt he was hurting like me! That he needed to go to another level!
Having a spud like that poke fun at a champion is another disgrace for our club, where were Judd's team-mates as he got mauled. Running away no doubt!
I'd have been happy with a good old fashioned fight. Smacked a few head, suspension wouldn't have worried me. Be entertaining at least as well as showin g some fight.
x2..got nothing to lose and if we can find a player or two ie Whiley, Boekhorst etc then its worth it.....
x3
Walker will def play. Whiley has a lot of mongrel, which is what we need. Murphy is practically lame. Captain or not, hate to see him hobble around the ground. Army and Buckley hopefully under consideration.
I just can't see how we can possibly lose this game.
Walker will def play. Whiley has a lot of mongrel, which is what we need. Murphy is practically lame. Captain or not, hate to see him hobble around the ground. Army and Buckley hopefully under consideration.
Yep I agree, he's playing because of some sort of sick idealistic 1980s bullsh1t!
So if he is out there he may as well do a Hodge and claim a few scalps before he gets some time off!
Walker Whiley and Army in (Cripps back in too)
Curnow, Murphy, Smith, White all out.
Give me some good old fashioned G+D and pride in your efforts.
Yep I agree, he playing because of some sort of sick idealistic 1980s bullsh1t!
So if he is out there he may as well do a Hodge and claim a few scalps before he gets some time off!
I liked the early 80's. We'd get as pissed as nits 2 days before a game and win flags, 3 in 4 years. In my days of going to the Lower Plenty Pub on Thursday's, chatting to Terry Wallace, who was was really drunk there sometimes. Always loved it when he tried to spit out my name then say "don't worry, I'll be right by Saturday" then coming out getting 35 possessions and BOG. There's something in that beer I tell you. Maybe Big Jack, when he ran CUB back then, put something special in the beer...haha.
I liked the early 80's. We'd get as pissed as nits 2 days before a game and win flags, 3 in 4 years. In my days of going to the Lower Plenty Pub on Thursday's, chatting to Terry Wallace, who was was really drunk there sometimes. Always loved it when he tried to spit out my name then say "don't worry, I'll be right by Saturday" then coming out getting 35 possessions and BOG. There's something in that beer I tell you. Maybe Big Jack, when he ran CUB back then, put something special in the beer...haha.
Back then they had ways of pegging back opponents that just cannot be applied these days! :D
There were also plenty of games when blokes like Johnno failed to get a touch after a slight case of dehydration! Although he was very good at slowing opponents down! :o
Walker Whiley and Army in (Cripps back in too)
Apart from Walks it's deck chairs on the Titanic, unless Juddy gets 85 touches and kicks 5 we're gonna get pumped.
I just can't see how we can possibly lose this game.
Neither can I...but we shouldn't say it publicly....we'll look silly if we lose ;)
Neither can I...but we shouldn't say it publicly....we'll look silly if we lose ;)
If we win Mick better get out of the coaches box and twirl his jacket!
Is Watson fit?
He's not much good but he's better than Jones.
Is Watson fit?
He's not much good but he's better than Jones.
Watson is on the outer, can't wait for him to come in, play well and then listen to Mick tell us that it's his self belief holding him back.
I am an eternal optimist 8) but the last 3/4 of last night's game reminds me so much of the Port Adelaide massacre last year :-[, after which I was so pissed off >:( that I did not go to the final game against the Bummers.
So, even though the glass seems broken (rather than half full or even half empty) I will make the trek to the G next week in the hope of being pleasantly surprised :o :)
I just can't see how we can possibly lose this game.
Give your labrador a pat from me 8)
Is Watson fit?
He's not much good but he's better than Jones.
I'm not a fan of Watson but Jones was so ordinary and Watsons last game vs Essendon was good so I would give Watson a game this week in the seniors and Jones would
be playing CHB in the NB's learning how to work harder and compete more often..
I am an eternal optimist 8) but the last 3/4 of last night's game reminds me so much of the Port Adelaide massacre last year :-[, after which I was so pissed off >:( that I did not go to the final game against the Bummers.
So, even though the glass seems broken (rather than half full or even half empty) I will make the trek to the G next week in the hope of being pleasantly surprised :o :)
You really are an irrespressible optimist ;) Sadly, any success we may or may not have against the Bummers will be directly proportionate to whether the Bummers are playing well or not. Hopefully, not!
We just need three or four more taggers, maybe five and it's in the bag.
We just need three or four more taggers, maybe five and it's in the bag.
Yes, if we put a stopper on every opponent we are sure to win! ;)
It might seem like deck chairs on the titanic but a change in attitude and personnel would go a long way to improving the situation. Chess is played many ways using the same pieces.
If there was ever an opportunity for a line in the sand game, its this one.
1. Turn up ready to play 4 quarters and have a real go. That's your job Mick.
2. Murph - if you cross that line, you're fit. Otherwise take a break and get right because you're embarrassing yourself.
2. Find the correct match ups and go with them. Its called doing homework. How can we beat the junkies? How do we shut down their playmakers? Who will sit on Heppell and Jab? Pick a balanced side i.e. blokes that can out a full game for starters as they died against the Swans. Some pace would also be a novel idea.
2. Piss off this going sideways bomb long to a contest down the line crap and play a faster brand of straight down the guts footy. Slow ball movement is death in footy. I also reckon that blokes like Touhy have gone backwards because the "gameplan" stifles natural footy. Let them play! How can forwards be expected to function when the ball comes via the cape every time?
3. Sorry, but Liam Jones is a deadest liability. I was castigated for claiming he was a wasted draft pick but it was very clear why he was playing at Willy. One mark on Friday, where it dropped on his chest - but worse still - no pressure at ground level. I'd put the acid on Watson to be the man across half forward.
4. Play Henderson in defence. I still reckon he is our best current big man as his lateral movement is so much better than the others. Pity he won't be here next year.
5. Persist with Casboult. Yes his kicking is awful but I thought he got involved around the ground and at least gave us a target unlike that spud Jones. He has some presence and makes defenders look around. I thought he got better as the game went on.
6. Put the acid on the likes of Gibbs to get serious or spend next week in the magoos. 23 more worthless possessions on Friday night I am yet to see. The constant kicking round the body to avoid physical contact made me want to spew up! If we wanted that crap we would have kept Robbo.
7. Play Buckley and Boekhorst. I'd like to see Cripps play also if fit. Tutt can make way for either of the first two. Buckley is critical IMO with his pace and bleeds-for-Carlton attitude, which we need so badly right now. Instructions to Boekhorst are simple; get wide of the contest and run your ass off. Be that damaging outside player you were in the WAFL.
8. Curnow can regain some touch in the twos... Rowe can join him if he can find his way to Cramer Street, he looks utterly lost ATM.
9. Tell Yarran that playing in defence means that beating his man is the first, second and third priority... and that if he loses a one-on-one in a soft manner again he'll be doing one-on-one contest work at training for the next month. I'd give him a run higher up the ground (wing or centre) if the chance offers... Mick has to ensure that Yarran is not dragged to a back pocket by his opponent and nullified (then isolated).
10. Tell Menzel to play the role he is supposed to play - as a smart forward, not some kind of defacto midfielder.
11. Play Touhy from a wing as he isn't a small defender's bootlaces. His natural footy is to run in a straight line and attack... KISS. I'd be keen to give him a run on the ball as well.
0-3 after this game. We don't have the cattle to compete against these drug cheats. Maybe if they lose 5 guys this weekend we may get within 5 goals. Won't hold my breath.
It might seem like deck chairs on the titanic but a change in attitude and personnel would go a long way to improving the situation. Chess is played many ways using the same pieces.
If there was ever an opportunity for a line in the sand game, its this one.
1. Turn up ready to play 4 quarters and have a real go. That's your job Mick.
2. Murph - if you cross that line, you're fit. Otherwise take a break and get right because you're embarrassing yourself.
2. Find the correct match ups and go with them. Its called doing homework. How can we beat the junkies? How do we shut down their playmakers? Who will sit on Heppell and Jab? Pick a balanced side i.e. blokes that can out a full game for starters as they died against the Swans. Some pace would also be a novel idea.
2. Piss off this going sideways bomb long to a contest down the line crap and play a faster brand of straight down the guts footy. Slow ball movement is death in footy. I also reckon that blokes like Touhy have gone backwards because the "gameplan" stifles natural footy. Let them play! How can forwards be expected to function when the ball comes via the cape every time?
3. Sorry, but Liam Jones is a deadest liability. I was castigated for claiming he was a wasted draft pick but it was very clear why he was playing at Willy. One mark on Friday, where it dropped on his chest - but worse still - no pressure at ground level. I'd put the acid on Watson to be the man across half forward.
4. Play Henderson in defence. I still reckon he is our best current big man as his lateral movement is so much better than the others. Pity he won't be here next year.
5. Persist with Casboult. Yes his kicking is awful but I thought he got involved around the ground and at least gave us a target unlike that spud Jones. He has some presence and makes defenders look around. I thought he got better as the game went on.
6. Put the acid on the likes of Gibbs to get serious or spend next week in the magoos. 23 more worthless possessions on Friday night I am yet to see. The constant kicking round the body to avoid physical contact made me want to spew up! If we wanted that crap we would have kept Robbo.
7. Play Buckley and Boekhorst. I'd like to see Cripps play also if fit. Tutt can make way for either of the first two. Buckley is critical IMO with his pace and bleeds-for-Carlton attitude, which we need so badly right now. Instructions to Boekhorst are simple; get wide of the contest and run your ass off. Be that damaging outside player you were in the WAFL.
8. Curnow can regain some touch in the twos... Rowe can join him if he can find his way to Cramer Street, he looks utterly lost ATM.
9. Tell Yarran that playing in defence means that beating his man is the first, second and third priority... and that if he loses a one-on-one in a soft manner again he'll be doing one-on-one contest work at training for the next month. I'd give him a run higher up the ground (wing or centre) if the chance offers... Mick has to ensure that Yarran is not dragged to a back pocket by his opponent and nullified (then isolated).
10. Tell Menzel to play the role he is supposed to play - as a smart forward, not some kind of defacto midfielder.
11. Play Touhy from a wing as he isn't a small defender's bootlaces. His natural footy is to run in a straight line and attack... KISS. I'd be keen to give him a run on the ball as well.
Some good thoughts Prof ....its obvious Touhy wants to kick goals and attack...defending isnt his natural game...I'd play him half forward and let him run free...
Yarran also needs to be further away from goal....doesnt concentrate as well when close to goal and gives away silly frees.
Curnow needs to learn how to attack and kick the footy..Whiley would be my replacement, bigger /stronger and able to play on a greater range of opponents..
Menzel gets lost up the ground and is better near goals..lacks a yard to be playing midfield IMO..
Buckley and Boekhorst are both slightly built players so we need to be careful with them but they cant be worse that Tutt and Ellard...
Henderson to CHB..its a no brainer..
Play Cripps for sure but I feel this kid needs a season or two to get used to playing AFL as his body even though on the big side seems a bit fragile and he is injury prone...
Casboult...yep I'd play him but make him learn to kick, at training he would do nothing else if I was coaching and I'd employ a expert or two to fix that ball drop...
If we win Mick better get out of the coaches box and twirl his jacket!
If Essendon beat the Hawks, perhaps they'll get a bit cocky and forget to show up against us. Definitely up for a bit of jacket action should we win :))
So....How are we going to go against Essendon?
We have a Malthouse thread folks....could we take the discussion over there.
I don't mind splitting topics, but it gets to be a bit of a chore when we have to split and merge a lot of threads.
Could people be bit kind and help us out by trying to keep all coach stuff in the relative ones...(the Rebuild, the Malthouse thread...even the post match one)
(the last couple of pages are now in the Malthouse thread)
So....How are we going to go against Essendon?
We'll win....because there is no reason we should. :-\
We'll win....because there is no reason we should. :-\
You're probably right.
...and that will confuse us even more.
time for the club to make a statement:
1. drop murphy and gibbs -
2. Drop Jamison -
3. install Simpson Captain
4. Play some kids including Buckley and Cripps
Whiley may not be 100 % yet, but after 2 good games at VFL level, he is a good chance.
Walker I would prefer to see having another run, but 29 possessions shows he wants to play seniors.
Buckley can't be too far away, but his form is Borderline. This week he was good, but he also seemed to run out of influence after half time.
Armfield is a certainty with his 4 goals and lots of ball. He may not be the long term answer, but we are after a solution for next week. It is good because we need his pace.
The other youngsters are not ready yet. Boekhorst was adequate, but isn't the answer yet. He needs 3 or 4 really good games to prove he is ready. His poor showing in the preseason would suggest we should not throw him in the deep end yet.
Smith has had 2 games. He can be put back now. He can get some form and confidence in the VFL and them get another go at senior footy.
Walsh isn't ready yet.
Byrne is not far away either. He has a lot of improvement in him yet, but he has shown some poise and looks to be not far off the pace.
If he were it, Sheehan would already be playing. He did enough last year to show he is a future option.
Holman doesn't look ready yet.
Graham needs to take his game to the next level. he is good enough at VFL level, but too stop start at AFL. He really needs to develop his run before he gets another promotion.
According to a report in today's paper Watson was well beaten by a 17 year old so it looks like Jones is safe.
According to a report in today's paper Watson was well beaten by a 17 year old so it looks like Jones is safe.
Watson always plays crap for the NBs. For some reason he plays alot better when playing in the seniors. Why, i don't know but I do tend to ignore his NBs form to an extent.
According to a report in today's paper Watson was well beaten by a 17 year old so it looks like Jones is safe.
Not sure the footy dept will drop Jones and admit defeat after just 2 games, they will cite poor delivery and being hammered around the stoppages as reason for
Jones not getting a kick...
I would go with Watson as I reckon he is one of those players who does better in the seniors and at least can convert...apart from not getting the footy much Jones has proved to be unreliable
when kicking for goal and if you add him to Casboult its too mnay unreliable goalkickers..
Currently sitting here watching the Dawks and bummers and although the Dawks seem to be off with their skills today the other mob are playing very well. On current form they could field half their side and comfortably cover us.
White, Smith and Ellard out for us and don't care who comes in as long as they have good leg speed cause we're going to need it.
Watson always plays crap for the NBs. For some reason he plays alot better when playing in the seniors. Why, i don't know but I do tend to ignore his NBs form to an extent.
Maybe so, but we can't really start giving senior games to players who aren't getting a kick in the seconds.
Apparently Whiley was pretty good and Walks had plenty of it so they might be two starters.
I think Clem Smith needs some VFL time to build his confidence, but he looks a likely type.
White will miss so we'll probably replace him with a taller bloke, so Watson might get a game by default.
Well! ::)
They're going to be so full of themselves they won't see us coming.
I'm just about at my wits end and its rd2. Seeing Ess win like that is like a nail to the heart.
I'm getting my wisdom teeth out on Saturday.
Not sure what will be more painful, that or watching us play the bombers. :o :-X :'(
I'm getting my wisdom teeth out on Saturday.
Not sure what will be more painful, that or watching us play the bombers. :o :-X :'(
Get it done in Thailand Kruds , been a few times better service & have a holiday as well
I'm getting my wisdom teeth out on Saturday.
Not sure what will be more painful, that or watching us play the bombers. :o :-X :'(
That's just damn good timing IMO.
I'm getting my wisdom teeth out on Saturday.
Not sure what will be more painful, that or watching us play the bombers. :o :-X :'(
Ask for the Bombers "cocktail" for pain relief and you won't remember a thing :-)
Watson always plays crap for the NBs. For some reason he plays alot better when playing in the seniors. Why, i don't know but I do tend to ignore his NBs form to an extent.
It is probably because he has no idea how to win a contested ball but a few of our senior players are capable of giving him some uncontested possessions.
Boy, start the weekend with a flogging and end it with the bummers winning and Waite starring for North.
There is no God. :-\
The guess now is how much are they going to beat us up. They made a real effort against Hawthorn. If they are buzzing on a high from this match we could be in real trouble next week.
The guess now is how much are they going to beat us up. They made a real effort against Hawthorn. If they are buzzing on a high from this match we could be in real trouble next week.
Have faith Mants.
We will be tagging like our lives depended on it, can't possibly lose.
Essendon were really physical against Hawthorn. If they bring that game, and Hird hates us, so he won't let them take their eye off the prize, forget it.
They had no fear playing the game on their terms. Even if we don't win, it would be good to see that from our blokes.
This performance by the scum was to make up for letting Sydney off the hook last week. I have seen us play 3 quarters of passionate attack on sides in the past years. The scum won't find it easy being in the top 4. Not if you look at Hawthorn (OK they lost today and only just), Fremantle, Sydney, Adelaide and Port if they get their sh1t together. Then you have North, Bulldogs who can do anything on a given day. Richmond probably is another example of anything can happen. Geelong and Collinwood are the sliders this season from an early call.
Our side can't beat any of the above teams. Not by what they have shown so far. Then the injuries hit us and we struggle even more. :o
monstered , just monstered
We will beat Essendon next week.
Mark it.
We will get smashed from pillar to post all week in the media, and our little rays of sunshine will come in and win.
A week later, we'll go to New Zealand forget to play footy again, get beaten by the Saints and wonder how on earth we beat Essendon.
Seen it all before unfortunately.
You have to admire their pluck. Those guys have been smashed from pillar to post in the past 2 years and yet they refuse to yield. Our soft as butter Blues will be getting an enormous lesson on what passion can do to help performance. I'll be there but my car will be facing the car park exit for an early departure.
We will beat Essendon next week.
Mark it.
We will get smashed from pillar to post all week in the media, and our little rays of sunshine will come in and win.
A week later, we'll go to New Zealand forget to play footy again, get beaten by the Saints and wonder how on earth we beat Essendon.
Seen it all before unfortunately.
If we could spank the Bummers (if you'll pardon the expression) I almost wouldn't mind a close loss to the Saints! :-[
Boy, start the weekend with a flogging and end it with the bummers winning and Waite starring for North.
There is no God. :-\
Besides Waite's 7, Robinson doing well Betts, great again, Jacobs starring, and going back further, and, although probably not so relevant now, Kennedy kicking 10.
We will beat Essendon next week.
Mark it.
We will get smashed from pillar to post all week in the media, and our little rays of sunshine will come in and win.
A week later, we'll go to New Zealand forget to play footy again, get beaten by the Saints and wonder how on earth we beat Essendon.
Seen it all before unfortunately.
I've seen it all before as well. But not since MM took over. We could do it when Ratten was leading us as we played an aggressive risky style and if the ball bounced our way and we got on top early we caused quite a few upsets.
No betts no Waite no garlett and no improvement from Casboult or Henderson = no chance.
Have no confidence and absolutely no fire power to beat anyone let alone those cheating pr1cks.
They will win and win comfortably at best, or they will smash us if we drop our head if they get on top early.
We shall see Shawny.
Unlike you guys, I don't believe our coach has ever carried a magic potion that turned us into champions.
I also have witnessed a trend. The boundary is used by the team fighting a team who has the ascendency in games, whilst the team running hot tends to own the corridor. We have done both thus far.
You need to be able to play in both or you are gone once momentum changes.
It is scary to think how much the Bombers will beat us up next week.
We will get monstered into submission
It is scary to think how much the Bombers will beat us up next week.
We will get monstered into submission
It' feels like I'm waiting to be punched in the face.
We shall see Shawny.
Unlike you guys, I don't believe our coach has ever carried a magic potion that turned us into champions.
I also have witnessed a trend. The boundary is used by the team fighting a team who has the ascendency in games, whilst the team running hot tends to own the corridor. We have done both thus far.
You need to be able to play in both or you are gone once momentum changes.
A boundary line game against a side that has as many marking talls as the Bombers will be the worst decision in the history of football.
It' feels like I'm waiting to be punched in the face.
With a Mack truck.
Doubt they win a game all year
A boundary line game against a side that has as many marking talls as the Bombers will be the worst decision in the history of football.
Sure, so when a side sets up to own the corridor and push you wide to find space, what do you do to counter it?
Sure, so when a side sets up to own the corridor and push you wide to find space, what do you do to counter it?
I don't know myself but I figure a guy on 1 mill+ should have some idea.
Try running in numbers to draw a player out of position instead of just chipping it left and right continuously. Teams zone with defence and don't go one on one all over the ground. Players need to lead to open the forward 50m, and players need to be prepared to run in numbers to support each other and draw defending players towards them. Thus the corridor eventually opens up. Watch Freo, Sydney, Adelaide and how Essendon do it.
However you need to be prepared to run hard both ways in case of a turnover. Not jog back, but sprint back in numbers too, to defend.
I don't know myself but I figure a guy on 1 mill+ should have some idea.
I think he knows but is having a hard time making our boys do it, particularly without having to tell them when to do things.
Ratten coaching from the boundary line reminds me about how clever our guys can be.
I think he knows but is having a hard time making our boys do it, particularly without having to tell them.
Ratten coaching from the boundary line reminds me about how clever our guys can be.
Yes.
Started playing for draft picks a bit earlier than usual year - sigh
Sure, so when a side sets up to own the corridor and push you wide to find space, what do you do to counter it?
It's a big ground.
Ball movement and spread.
Every team in the league is doing it except us.
I think he knows but is having a hard time making our boys do it, particularly without having to tell them when to do things.
Ratten coaching from the boundary line reminds me about how clever our guys can be.
Clarkson did this for a bit, Dimma, Roos. Stupid statement.
The team is too scared to take the game on and not fit enough to implement MM's plan for more than a quarter.
Clarkson did this for a bit, Dimma, Roos. Stupid statement.
The team is too scared to take the game on and not fit enough to implement MM's plan for more than a quarter.
There was talk that Collingwood weren't happy with how fit their players were under Buttifant (could've just been bitter Pies supporters because he left, I dunno). Hopefully there's no truth to it because I'm sick to death of our club hiring the wrong people. Pagan? Hughes? Rogers? Green as a midfield coach? Webster? Buttifant? Malthouse???
I think he knows but is having a hard time making our boys do it, particularly without having to tell them when to do things.
Ratten coaching from the boundary line reminds me about how clever our guys can be.
Amazing how Mick has all these issues with this side whereas the previous coach got them running quite smoothly. Then again, maybe it's just Mick who is the issue.
2012 happened.
2012 happened.
Since people have such short memories I'm going to have to keep posting this article.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-hit-by-worst-injury-crisis-in-a-decade-20120725-22qx4.html
CARLTON is fighting its worst injury crisis in a decade as the club attempts to turn last week's win against the Western Bulldogs into a last-gasp run for the finals in the last six rounds.
A review of the club's injury toll this season has revealed the last time Carlton had as many players missing games due to injury was back in 2002 - when it finished with the wooden spoon under Wayne Brittain - and 65 per cent of their injuries this year had been ''collision'', rather than the soft-tissue problems plaguing other clubs such as Essendon.
Carlton has used the second-highest number of players this year (36) of any of the teams still in the hunt for finals - with only three players having played every game - and the extent of the club's injury woes was further underlined this week when key defender Lachie Henderson was ruled out for the rest of the season.
Henderson (groin) joins Jeremy Laidler (knee) and Shaun Hampson (knee) out for the year, and the Blues also have captain Chris Judd (suspended) and forward Andrew Walker (calf) unavailable to round 21, and wingman Kade Simpson (broken jaw) sidelined until round 20, while key forward Jarrad Waite (back) is still yet to resume in the VFL and it is unclear when he will play in the senior team again.
On top of that, ruckman Matthew Kreuzer (hip), midfielder Mitch Robinson (calf) and defender Zach Tuohy (back) still haven't been cleared to play in Saturday night's last-chance dance against Richmond at the MCG, a game the Blues must win to keep their fading September hopes alive.
At least we did a good job of fixing Jarrad's back.
Amazing how Mick has all these issues with this side whereas the previous coach got them running quite smoothly. Then again, maybe it's just Mick who is the issue.
Smoothly, premiership favourites...
Seriously, from 2007 to 2015 we have looked ordinary more often than not, and continually make poor decisions.
Yes we did ok there for a bit, but personally that says more about the competition at that time then than it does now.
wow... so the Competition was bad that's why we were good...
That's a new one. I will tell Geelong, their Flag didn't mean the same as others.
I'll give it to you Thry, you're good at coming up with excuses.
Nah mate, have a think about all the sides in the AFL that were "sides in transition".
Footscray, Melbourne, Saints, Richmond, North Melbourne, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Freo, Sydney, St. Kilda peetered off from their flag winning years, The Bombers were about to do "whatever it takes", Brisbane.
All of them were "rebuilding". To discount their status in the competition at the time, where their list was at, and what they have done since then whilst our best 22 roughly looks the same, makes me think that perhaps it has more to do with what happened everywhere else, rather than what happened with us.
12 teams right there, who were looking more at their future, and making changes.
You don't just burn everything to the ground during a rebuild. The reason so many are around is because they are still young and can be around for the next cycle.
You don't just burn everything to the ground during a rebuild. The reason so many are around is because they are still young and can be around for the next cycle.
We did/have.
That was Pagan's rebuild. Been labouring ever since.
We did/have.
That was Pagan's rebuild. Been labouring ever since.
Yep, it was a rejuvenation. Now we need a rebuild. Listening to Mick has made you guys punch drunk. How can you back this guy whose strategy has changed from Flag to Finals to Refreshing to tear it all down and start over is less than 3 years? It's chaos from the top and we see it out on the field.
Smoothly, premiership favourites...
Seriously, from 2007 to 2015 we have looked ordinary more often than not, and continually make poor decisions.
Yes we did ok there for a bit, but personally that says more about the competition at that time then than it does now.
We did OK, but we couldn't beat the top 4 sides even when we "peaked" under Rattan.
We've been crap for 15 years and haven't been a serious finals contender since 2000.
We did OK, but we couldn't beat the top 4 sides even when we "peaked" under Rattan.
We've been crap for 15 years and haven't been a serious finals contender since 2000.
These might be a bit off (quick scan) but to say we couldn't beat top 4 sides is wrong.
2008: 1-4
2009: 2-2
2010: 2-4
2011: 0-6
2012: 2-3
Not the best record but not never won stuff territory either. That 2011 season was the one that we should have done better in.
We did OK, but we couldn't beat the top 4 sides even when we "peaked" under Ratten.
We've been crap for 15 years and haven't been a serious finals contender since 2000.
When you're 5th one doesn't beat top 4 sides, it's why you're 5th best. Theoretically anyway. We did get ripped in the one that counted though.
It was alot better than we went in any of the other 15yrs and it was nice to play finals. We went so bad any final felt good.
These might be a bit off (quick scan) but to say we couldn't beat top 4 sides is wrong.
2008: 1-4
2009: 2-2
2010: 2-4
2011: 0-6
2012: 2-3
Not the best record but not never won stuff territory either. That 2011 season was the one that we should have done better in.
I said that we couldn't beat top 4 sides when we peaked under Ratten and 2011 was his peak.
We won one final in his 5 and a bit years and the team who "robbed" us of a prelim had been wooden spooners a few years prior, they got smashed in the prelim like we would have.
We need a complete overhaul, with or without Malthouse.
When you're 5th one doesn't beat top 4 sides, it's why you're 5th best. Theoretically anyway. We did get ripped in the one that counted though.
It was alot better than we went in any of the other 15yrs and it was nice to play finals. We went so bad any final felt good.
We went OK when we got peptided into the finals, a win in week one and a four goal loss in Sydney in week two.
I am absolutely dreading losing to this mob. I may have to implement an indefinite electronic communications ban just to avoid the onslaught from all family and friends.
I am absolutely dreading losing to this mob. I may have to implement an indefinite electronic communications ban just to avoid the onslaught from all family and friends.
That's because the dumb-ar5e EFC fans think every win they have like yesterday is proof they are innocent, what a bunch of Ultra-morons!
They haven't heard of self-incrimination!
We did/have.
That was Pagan's rebuild. Been labouring ever since.
Bringing in 15 plodders that were delisted from other clubs was not a rebuild.
Thry your hypotheticals are just that, hypotheticals. Anyone can try and deflect from the truth by raising hypothetical theories.
We did/have.
That was Pagan's rebuild. Been labouring ever since.
Been labouring since they abolished form 4's
bring in our quick players to match ess run and spread,release yarran and thouy get them away from defence, and no more long bombs unless it lands in goal sq.Casboult when that loose ess player blocks your hole u know wat to do )legally) 1 more heppell curnow to tag u have to be up his clacker and when the chance comes you tackle hard TIME TO STAND UP BOYS
Casboult when that loose ess player blocks your hole u know wat to do
Casboult isn't like that, but Watson will be if they get him right! ;)
I said that we couldn't beat top 4 sides when we peaked under Ratten and 2011 was his peak.
We won one final in his 5 and a bit years and the team who "robbed" us of a prelim had been wooden spooners a few years prior, they got smashed in the prelim like we would have.
We need a complete overhaul, with or without Malthouse.
I'd have taken copping a kicking in a PF..lol.
Actually, we were very competitve against top sides that year without winning. Would've ahve won but mightn't have copped the same flogging as the Eagles.
I'd have taken copping a kicking in a PF..lol.
Actually, we were very competitve against top sides that year without winning. Would've ahve won but mightn't have copped the same flogging as the Eagles.
We were very competitve against top sides last year without winning.
Geelong twice (5 points and 6 points).
Freo once. (6 points)
Hawks once (28 points in the end - but 4 points early in the last quarter).
Bringing in 15 plodders that were delisted from other clubs was not a rebuild.
Thry your hypotheticals are just that, hypotheticals. Anyone can try and deflect from the truth by raising hypothetical theories.
Thats the Carlton rebuild that got us to 5th Carrots. You know, the one where we started recruiting guys like Carrazzo and Simpson.
Decided to rebuild around Fevola, and our number 1 draft picks.
You should know this, you are a Carlton supporter are you not?
Graham, Boekhorst, Walker, Cripps and Buckley as minimum inclusions. Big game at the G, lets see what you can do (Walker aside).
I would bring in Watson for Jones, but wont happen.
Holman to get a taste maybe. I am really hoping Walsh can provide some grunt and leadership soon.
Outs: White, Curnow, Tutt, Ellard... One from Bell, Carrazzo, Smith
Graham, Boekhorst, Walker, Cripps and Buckley as minimum inclusions. Big game at the G, lets see what you can do (Walker aside).
I would bring in Watson for Jones, but wont happen.
Holman to get a taste maybe. I am really hoping Walsh can provide some grunt and leadership soon.
Outs: White, Curnow, Tutt, Ellard... One from Bell, Carrazzo, Smith
nahh
make a statement outs one of gibbs or murphy ....and carrozzo
nahh
make a statement outs one of gibbs or murphy ....and carrozzo
I'd be giving strong consideration to "giving Murph a rest "due to a knee concern" and making Simmo captain for this one. We need to try and shake things up a bit, break the evil spell. Hopefully Cripps and Walker both will be available.
I'd be giving strong consideration to "giving Murph a rest "due to a knee concern" and making Simmo captain for this one. We need to try and shake things up a bit, break the evil spell. Hopefully Cripps and Walker both will be available.
Murph says he's fine.
Murph says he's fine.
Think of another reason then, but I'd still be considering that option. ;)
Think of another reason then, but I'd still be considering that option. ;)
AGREE...the MC decides not the player
Think of another reason then, but I'd still be considering that option. ;)
Sorry Cookie I'm a bit slow on the uptake. With you now. ;)
Sorry Cookie I'm a bit slow on the uptake. With you now. ;)
hes from sleepy hollow ;)
Graham, Boekhorst, Walker, Cripps and Buckley as minimum inclusions. Big game at the G, lets see what you can do (Walker aside).
I would bring in Watson for Jones, but wont happen.
Holman to get a taste maybe. I am really hoping Walsh can provide some grunt and leadership soon.
Outs: White, Curnow, Tutt, Ellard... One from Bell, Carrazzo, Smith
Your ins could add a bit, particularly Watson for Jones. Smith definitely needs some time to work on his fitness and to pick up the tempo of the game at AFL level - back to the NBs for him.
It all starts in the midfield and cheats.com.au have a 'big' midfield. Our midfield is scrawny. Hiding looming.
We have only two bigger bodies in the midfield - Dinger and Cripps. Judd is an extractor.
Then look at the rest of our midfield/on-ballers - Gibbs, Simpson, Murphy, Tutt, Smith, Graham, Curnow, Thomas, Ellard, Carrazzo - all lightweights against midfields that have been growing in size and strength for a few years now (and we recruit a Rookworst (sorry mate) as a mature pick who is 7 kgs wringing wet!!!). And we lost a real wrecking ball at the contest in Robbo, although in many people's opinions he had to go, who came in to replace this level of commitment and mongrel? No-one. Surely we can all remember times when the game was slipping away from us and Robbo would do something sacrificial that lifted his team mates... do we have any bloke now at the club who has this instinct (as identified by Parko)?
I am beginning to believe it is not our forward line or backline that is the problem but rather a feeble midfield.
It all starts in the midfield and cheats.com.au have a 'big' midfield. Our midfield is scrawny. Hiding looming.
We have only two bigger bodies in the midfield - Dinger and Cripps. Judd is an extractor.
Then look at the rest of our midfield/on-ballers - Gibbs, Simpson, Murphy, Tutt, Smith, Graham, Curnow, Thomas, Ellard, Carrazzo - all lightweights against midfields that have been growing in size and strength for a few years now (and we recruit a Rookworst (sorry mate) as a mature pick who is 7 kgs wringing wet!!!). And we lost a real wrecking ball at the contest in Robbo, although in many people's opinions he had to go, who came in to replace this level of commitment and mongrel? No-one. Surely we can all remember times when the game was slipping away from us and Robbo would do something sacrificial that lifted his team mates... do we have any bloke now at the club who has this instinct (as identified by Parko)?
I am beginning to believe it is not our forward line or backline that is the problem but rather a feeble midfield.
Unfortunately for us, their win against Hawthorn the other day is gong to convince them that they can win from anywhere. It might be just the drugs talking, but confidence is a fickle thing. They have it at the moment. We do not.
@ Baggers
Our midfield has been a problem for years Baggers. That weakness has just been overshadowed in recent times by some of our other problems.
It all starts in the midfield and cheats.com.au have a 'big' midfield. Our midfield is scrawny. Hiding looming.
We have only two bigger bodies in the midfield - Dinger and Cripps. Judd is an extractor.
Then look at the rest of our midfield/on-ballers - Gibbs, Simpson, Murphy, Tutt, Smith, Graham, Curnow, Thomas, Ellard, Carrazzo - all lightweights against midfields that have been growing in size and strength for a few years now (and we recruit a Rookworst (sorry mate) as a mature pick who is 7 kgs wringing wet!!!). And we lost a real wrecking ball at the contest in Robbo, although in many people's opinions he had to go, who came in to replace this level of commitment and mongrel? No-one. Surely we can all remember times when the game was slipping away from us and Robbo would do something sacrificial that lifted his team mates... do we have any bloke now at the club who has this instinct (as identified by Parko)?
I don't think our midfield is scrawny. Quite the opposite really. Bell, Cripps, Carrots, Murph, Gibbs, all are big
bodied. What we are is one paced and slow.
I am beginning to believe it is not our forward line or backline that is the problem but rather a feeble midfield.
It all went pear shaped, in the first instance, in the ruck last Friday.
Wood was smashed and yes the stats do lie.....
It all starts in the midfield and cheats.com.au have a 'big' midfield. Our midfield is scrawny. Hiding looming.
We have only two bigger bodies in the midfield - Dinger and Cripps. Judd is an extractor.
Then look at the rest of our midfield/on-ballers - Gibbs, Simpson, Murphy, Tutt, Smith, Graham, Curnow, Thomas, Ellard, Carrazzo - all lightweights against midfields that have been growing in size and strength for a few years now (and we recruit a Rookworst (sorry mate) as a mature pick who is 7 kgs wringing wet!!!). And we lost a real wrecking ball at the contest in Robbo, although in many people's opinions he had to go, who came in to replace this level of commitment and mongrel? No-one. Surely we can all remember times when the game was slipping away from us and Robbo would do something sacrificial that lifted his team mates... do we have any bloke now at the club who has this instinct (as identified by Parko)?
I am beginning to believe it is not our forward line or backline that is the problem but rather a feeble midfield.
I think MM knows and would agree with the above and thats why a semiskilled player like Bell gets plenty of gametime despite turning the ball over, I'd be betting we will
go a couple of big mids in the next draft period..
I think MM knows and would agree with the above and thats why a semiskilled player like Bell gets plenty of gametime despite turning the ball over, I'd be betting we will
go a couple of big mids in the next draft period..
I think you'll find Bell's disposal efficiency is better than the team's average and is one of Malthouse's less pressing problems.
We desperately need to add blokes to our midfield rotation and they need to be big and hard at it. We picked up big bodied midfielders at the last couple of drafts and we need to see them doing the business in navy blue.
I think you'll find Bell's disposal efficiency is better than the team's average and is one of Malthouse's less pressing problems.
We desperately need to add blokes to our midfield rotation and they need to be big and hard at it. We picked up big bodied midfielders at the last couple of drafts and we need to see them doing the business in navy blue.
DJ....watched Mick take bell off the ground after two holding the ball frees and you could see him telling Bell to handball..his stats might be better than the team
average but he turns the ball over too much for me and at important times....
DJ....watched Mick take bell off the ground after two holding the ball frees and you could see him telling Bell to handball..his stats might be better than the team
average but he turns the ball over too much for me and at important times....
Yes, but to his credit he does get the ball so that he can turn it over ;)
Bell, Curnow, White, Smith, Ellard and Curnow - all should be dropped.
Also, Jamo and Simpson really should be dropped. Both horribly out of form. Jamo is a cancer. Panics at the earliest opportunity and it spreads through the team. Just can't carry players like this. He's psychologically shot.
The guy is in the leadership team. What does that tell you about the makeup of our list.
I keep hearing how Bell has this massive body and that this is the future. Yes, the future (and the present) belongs to big bodied mids like Watson, Pendles, Dangerfield, Barlow, Mundy, Fyfe, Kennedy, Lewis etc etc but they bring other things to the table besides mass. Being big doesn't make you an elite midfielder.
Yes, but to his credit he does get the ball so that he can turn it over ;)
Like a goalie I used to watch in another life long ago. He used to let plenty get past him but he was like lightening in retrieving the ball from the back of the net. Nickname was " Careless Hands".
I hope the 2 days extra rest helps our lads.
Peptides have had 4 fade outs in the last 4 games (including last 2 in 2014). But against the Hawks they won, other 3 games they gave up leads over 30 points.
Problem I see is that we only play the first quarter. Maybe if we only play the last quarter we might be a chance this week? :P
Bell, Curnow, White, Smith, Ellard and Curnow - all should be dropped.
Didn't watch the game I take it?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-out-hawthorned-hawthorn-to-prevail-in-a-thriller-writes-mark-robinson/story-fnp04d70-1227302554991
ESSENDON out-Hawthorned Hawthorn on Sunday.
They beat them at their own game.
The Bombers coaching staff plotted a game plan - which was similar to last year’s Round 2 game at Etihad - which basically threw Hawthorn’s tactics back into the Hawks’ faces.
In a nutshell, The Bombers believe they have unlocked the key to beating the Hawks.
Keep those articles coming Robbo.
Don't worry, you'll get em next time :P
Don't worry, you'll get em next time :P
Did you watch 360 last night. The first segment was about how wonderful Essendon are then they went straight to Carlton with their doom and gloom music they always play when we have a couple of losses.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-out-hawthorned-hawthorn-to-prevail-in-a-thriller-writes-mark-robinson/story-fnp04d70-1227302554991
Keep those articles coming Robbo.
April Premiers! Sitting at 1-1??
They are setup for a fall, we have nothing to lose!
Essendon fans on Bigfooty quotes.
anything under a 6 goal win will not be good enough from my POV
Carlton are crap, and we've destroyed the two grand finalists last year for 6 quaters of 8.
Essendon by 70 points
Carlton have been terrible for the first 2 games, and Essendon will think that they're better than both sides that did that to Carlton, so Essendon by 92 points
Power rankings have us 4th, Carlton 18th. Carlton would loose to every team this week. Its ass whooping time
(http://i.imgur.com/k1b8fID.gif)
If only we could just make this one of the greatest days in our footy club's history............
(http://images.christianpost.com/full/63767/children-pray.jpg)
MBB, what's with the clip of Murph crapping himself... should show some juiced up thug driving Carrots into the turf...
Let's not forget, there are some good footballers in our team that are shockingly out of form. I'd only give Doc and Juddy a tick so far this year. So whilst we are aparantly the worst team the ever grace a football ground their is huge upside if our guys can find some form.
I keep hearing how Bell has this massive body and that this is the future. Yes, the future (and the present) belongs to big bodied mids like Watson, Pendles, Dangerfield, Barlow, Mundy, Fyfe, Kennedy, Lewis etc etc but they bring other things to the table besides mass. Being big doesn't make you an elite midfielder.
I've been pushing that barrow for a while.
I have also been pushing the need for honest battlers who do the team thing....and that leads to players like White and Bell getting games despite not being blessed with an abundance of football talent.
Unfortunately, all our talented players have gone missing, and what we have been less with are your foot soldiers (White and Bell) being BOGs. :-[
It'll be a good day when those players are not in our best 22.
Menzel (calf) out as well as White... >:( >:( >:( >:(
MBB, what's with the clip of Murph crapping himself... should show some juiced up thug driving Carrots into the turf...
All those posts were from the essendon bigfooty board, they think we're a joke and are laughing at us.
Essendon fans on Bigfooty quotes.
(http://i.imgur.com/k1b8fID.gif)
Those margins aren't too far off the mark IMO - they have every right to gloat and expect a thumping.
I have a feeling that the drug cheats could come back to earth with an almighty thud.
It's certainly not based on form or any logical thought process, just a gut feel.
I have a feeling that the drug cheats could come back to earth with an almighty thud.
It's certainly not based on form or any logical thought process, just a gut feel.
Be good if WADA announced on Thurs or Fri that it was going to appeal. >:D
Just before the game would be better.
Be good if WADA announced on Thurs or Fri that it was going to appeal. >:D
Or a rumour to that effect swept through social media >:D
Or a rumour to that effect swept through social media >:D
Sounds like a cunning plan! 8)
Good old Steven Dank stirring the Essendon crap pot atm on Sky news.
Is everybody pleased with Rowe? A more overrated player I have not seen.
Ellard, Smith, Tutt should also depart.
Armfield, Graham, Watson and Walker in, with Hendo CHB and Watson CHF.
Good old Steven Dank stirring the Essendon crap pot atm on Sky news.
What's he saying?
Bizarre interview with Alan Jones... Probably belongs in the other thread.
Threw Doc Read under the bus.
Is everybody pleased with Rowe? A more overrated player I have not seen.
Ellard, Smith, Tutt should also depart.
Armfield, Graham, Watson and Walker in, with Hendo CHB and Watson CHF.
I am not concerned with Rowe. He will find form once he finds some confidence. He needs to defend and not be used forward. I like the thought of Henderson down back, and Watson up forward. Armfield can give us some run. Smith needs times in the seconds to develop and get some confidence in his game. Tutt is one I really don't know what we are going to get. Tutt and Jones could be our biggest gamble yet. If they don't do something early this season, I will be convinced Mick is a moron.
Is everybody pleased with Rowe? A more overrated player I have not seen...............................................
Rowe had a very good season last year and I was as pleased as punch with the level he got to.
I really hope he continues on from last season, and that the first few weeks this year are just an aberration. I would hate to think he is a one hit wonder.
Come on Sammy - make us proud son !
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mick-malthouse-has-to-play-the-kids-at-carlton-to-keep-his-job/story-fni5f08l-1227303891479
Jon Ralph... Why don't they play this kid, that kid, the other.... Clem Smith - wait a minute - why play that kid? He's clearly not ready.
In doing so he could not have more perfectly defeated the main point of his own argument.
The only team selection strategy that makes sense is that you pick the 22 players that will give you the best chance of winning the game at hand. Everything else is folly.
Rowe had a very good season last year and I was as pleased as punch with the level he got to.
I really hope he continues on from last season, and that the first few weeks this year are just an aberration. I would hate to think he is a one hit wonder.
Come on Sammy - make us proud son !
Bret Thornton developed an ultra negative mindset through being our only decent defender in a team getting flogged every week.
He passed that on to Jamo who came into the club fine but quickly acquired Thornton's capacity to sh1t his own pants at the earliest possible opportunity.
Rowe also shows signs of being fine when things are running his way but playing completely differently when his confidence slips even a little bit. You can tell when they start punching instead of marking simple opportunities and dropping chest marks.
Just keep going for your grabs ! Who cares if you make a mistake. Back yourselves for fork sake.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mick-malthouse-has-to-play-the-kids-at-carlton-to-keep-his-job/story-fni5f08l-1227303891479
Jon Ralph... Why don't they play this kid, that kid, the other.... Clem Smith - wait a minute - why play that kid? He's clearly not ready.
In doing so he could not have more perfectly defeated the main point of his own argument.
You failing here is that you expect journos to make well-reasoned articles. They do not.
This kind of logic had me wondering if there was some logic to some of Micks bizarre words of late. Specifically in regards to potential contract talks.
Does Mick Malthouse of now, pick the same exact team that a Mick Malthouse with another year or 2 to go on his contract would? Does he play players that are in his best interests now or does he play players that are in the best interests for the club long term even if he is not here passed this year.
I think that is the 'big distraction' that a coaches contract talks present.
You failing here is that you expect journos to make well-reasoned articles. They do not.
This kind of logic had me wondering if there was some logic to some of Micks bizarre words of late. Specifically in regards to potential contract talks.
Does Mick Malthouse of now, pick the same exact team that a Mick Malthouse with another year or 2 to go on his contract would? Does he play players that are in his best interests now or does he play players that are in the best interests for the club long term even if he is not here passed this year.
I think that is the 'big distraction' that a coaches contract talks present.
I think that it also plays a part in injury management/treatment. The inexplicable decision to take the 'conservative' approach with Daisy's shoulder for example.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/mick-malthouse-has-to-play-the-kids-at-carlton-to-keep-his-job/story-fni5f08l-1227303891479
Jon Ralph... Why don't they play this kid, that kid, the other.... Clem Smith - wait a minute - why play that kid? He's clearly not ready.
In doing so he could not have more perfectly defeated the main point of his own argument.
Smith was the wrong kid to play.....good attack on the footy doesnt mean he is ready, he doesnt read the play well and his kicking is poor, he is also very small.
Boekhorst is a much more polished footballer and was the ideal sub.....he is older , more ready and should have played...
Whiley should play this week..190cm bigger bodied and we will need that vs Essendon.
When Cripps is fit I want him back in and in the middle with Whiley.....Bell can Rotate with them, we need bigger stronger bodies to combat the other teams bigger mids......how many times did Priddis get the ball away because we couldnt bring him down?....McIntosh from Richmond was the same..no one could hang a tackle on his bigger frame.
Watch Jobe this week....he will stand up in tackles and give the ball off if we dont man him up with a decent sized opponent.....
I'm happy to play kids but well built kids ..not schoolboys who look like a deer in the headlights...
Bret Thornton developed an ultra negative mindset through being our only decent defender in a team getting flogged every week.
He passed that on to Jamo who came into the club fine but quickly acquired Thornton's capacity to sh1t his own pants at the earliest possible opportunity.
Rowe also shows signs of being fine when things are running his way but playing completely differently when his confidence slips even a little bit. You can tell when they start punching instead of marking simple opportunities and dropping chest marks.
Just keep going for your grabs ! Who cares if you make a mistake. Back yourselves for fork sake.
Lack of midfield defensive pressure makes it difficult for defenders. All three defenders you refer to have been victims of this.
The only team selection strategy that makes sense is that you pick the 22 players that will give you the best chance of winning the game at hand. Everything else is folly.
Which ones are they though Paul? - the $64million question. ???
I think that it also plays a part in injury management/treatment. The inexplicable decision to take the 'conservative' approach with Daisy's shoulder for example.
Shoulder surgery is very hit and miss.
As part of my med student training I spent 3 months working in Beijing at a top orthopaedic hospital there.
One of the surgeons had recently returned from the US after doing 2 years of training, specifically in shoulder repairs. One day I was asking hime about it and asked him what was the main thing he learned, he laughed and said "don't have shoulder surgery, it doesn't work". Obviously he was being overdramatic for comedy sake, but the results are not great.
I'm not sure if Thomas had had shoulder problems in the past, but I wouldn't advocate surgical management for a shoulder after the first dislocation unless there was some serious strucural damage involved.
Smith was the wrong kid to play.....good attack on the footy doesnt mean he is ready, he doesnt read the play well and his kicking is poor, he is also very small.
Boekhorst is a much more polished footballer and was the ideal sub.....he is older , more ready and should have played...
Whiley should play this week..190cm bigger bodied and we will need that vs Essendon.
When Cripps is fit I want him back in and in the middle with Whiley.....Bell can Rotate with them, we need bigger stronger bodies to combat the other teams bigger mids......how many times did Priddis get the ball away because we couldnt bring him down?....McIntosh from Richmond was the same..no one could hang a tackle on his bigger frame.
Watch Jobe this week....he will stand up in tackles and give the ball off if we dont man him up with a decent sized opponent.....
I'm happy to play kids but well built kids ..not schoolboys who look like a deer in the headlights...
Agree from the outside looking in Smith was the wrong kid to play. The question to ask is why play him ahead of everyone else?
The answer probably lies in terms of the way he trains, or attitude he had shown but you would need a more intimate knowledge of the group and how they have taken to life at Carlton to have the answer.
Shoulder surgery is very hit and miss.
As part of my med student training I spent 3 months working in Beijing at a top orthopaedic hospital there.
One of the surgeons had recently returned from the US after doing 2 years of training, specifically in shoulder repairs. One day I was asking hime about it and asked him what was the main thing he learned, he laughed and said "don't have shoulder surgery, it doesn't work". Obviously he was being overdramatic for comedy sake, but the results are not great.
I'm not sure if Thomas had had shoulder problems in the past, but I wouldn't advocate surgical management for a shoulder after the first dislocation unless there was some serious strucural damage involved.
Didn't Judd have two shoulder operations before he turned 18 ?
Wouldn't have a clue.
Google might know.
Where is Buckley ? That kid plays with heart LOVE of the jumper!
It is really hard to watch them play this type of footy they come out of the blocks good..and then ;(
I really think imo that Mick is over coaching this team, and they are way over thinking things. We were never that team. We were the team that played with our hearts on our sleeves with guts, we were the underdogs coming back from 40 points down in the third quarters, just playing footy for the jumper..So PLEASE Mick...Dont over coach this week let em run onto the park and play footy. we need to bet these scum bag bummers! IT IS A MUST!
The team this week will be very interesting. Menzel and White both out.
Walker, Graham, Armfield, Whiley, Buckley, Boekhorst must all be in the mix after last weeks practice match.
Didn't Judd have two shoulder operations before he turned 18 ?
Yes he did.
The team this week will be very interesting. Menzel and White both out.
Walker, Graham, Armfield, Whiley, Buckley, Boekhorst must all be in the mix after last weeks practice match.
You'd think Smith gets a rest, Walker, Armfield and Whiley in.
No point letting the EFC Juice Junkies smash the lighter bodies! We threw Murphy to the wolves against a rampaging Brisbane and he has never been quite the same for what that kent Copeland did to the lad!
We've been bashed around the head pretty badly already this week. We're going to need a spirited performance, a limp effort and it is going to be complete mayhem.
We've been bashed around the head pretty badly already this week. We're going to need a spirited performance, a limp effort and it is going to be complete mayhem.
They'll be coming in cock-a-hoop led by their coach, so far demonstrating how invincible and indestructible he is. Heady stuff indeed. This will be more than anything else a massive character test for our guys.
I just want a fair dinkum, honest 4 quarter effort.
I just want a fair dinkum, honest 4 quarter effort.
Freo v Eagles is on Sunday.
Shoulder surgery is very hit and miss.
As part of my med student training I spent 3 months working in Beijing at a top orthopaedic hospital there.
One of the surgeons had recently returned from the US after doing 2 years of training, specifically in shoulder repairs. One day I was asking hime about it and asked him what was the main thing he learned, he laughed and said "don't have shoulder surgery, it doesn't work". Obviously he was being overdramatic for comedy sake, but the results are not great.
I'm not sure if Thomas had had shoulder problems in the past, but I wouldn't advocate surgical management for a shoulder after the first dislocation unless there was some serious strucural damage involved.
A conservative approach is fine for most folk but probably not an AFL footballer in their prime.
I listened to Doc Larkin's assessment and he was gobsmacked by the description of the injury - a subluxation when it was clearly a major dislocation with serious damage - and the proposed treatment. He was concerned that not operating would mean that Thomas would be highly likely to have more problems.
Sholders are or have been an issue with a few of our blokes; Judd, Jamison, Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, etc, not to mention Ablett.
We've been bashed around the head pretty badly already this week. We're going to need a spirited performance, a limp effort and it is going to be complete mayhem.
I remember when we got smashed by Essendon early last year with possibly one of the most limp-wristed performances I'd ever seen from a Carlton team. We got justifiably barrelled in the media all the next week, for the team to be preaching about making things right the following weekend.....which ended with an even more limp-wristed performance against Melbourne. Yep, this mob is known for turning things around....lazy, spineless fecks they are.
A conservative approach is fine for most folk but probably not an AFL footballer in their prime.
I listened to Doc Larkin's assessment and he was gobsmacked by the description of the injury - a subluxation when it was clearly a major dislocation with serious damage - and the proposed treatment. He was concerned that not operating would mean that Thomas would be highly likely to have more problems.
Sholders are or have been an issue with a few of our blokes; Judd, Jamison, Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, etc, not to mention Ablett.
As someone who has suffered a sublux injury, I have never had an operation, and my shoulders have never been the same, however I have also sought the advice from an Orthopaedic surgeion and he adivsed that they would unlikely be rectified by surgery and that often intensive Physio therapy is a better outcome unless it becomes a serial problem.
Think back to Andrew Walker. He had recurring issues with his until he had an operation but he also has issues over head these days.
Realistically, surgery isnt a great outcome for any injury, its better used as a worst case scenario.
I remember when we got smashed by Essendon early last year with possibly one of the most limp-wristed performances I'd ever seen from a Carlton team. We got justifiably barrelled in the media all the next week, for the team to be preaching about making things right the following weekend.....which ended with an even more limp-wristed performance against Melbourne. Yep, this mob is known for turning things....lazy, spineless fecks they are.
The players are behind Malthouse... Well they need to show it.
Malthouse is behind the players... We will see at selection, he needs to show it in press conferences as well.
Murphy says the leaders need to stand up... He needs to show it
If they are truly united, hurting and behind the coach, another performance like the first two will spell the end for the coach and several players.
We wont win, but we should be able to be super competitive against this "brave" side.
Shoulder surgery is very hit and miss.
As part of my med student training I spent 3 months working in Beijing at a top orthopaedic hospital there.
One of the surgeons had recently returned from the US after doing 2 years of training, specifically in shoulder repairs. One day I was asking hime about it and asked him what was the main thing he learned, he laughed and said "don't have shoulder surgery, it doesn't work". Obviously he was being overdramatic for comedy sake, but the results are not great.
I'm not sure if Thomas had had shoulder problems in the past, but I wouldn't advocate surgical management for a shoulder after the first dislocation unless there was some serious strucural damage involved.
I know several people who've had shoulder surgery for issues ranging fro minor wear to complete frozen shoulders, mostly coming from rowing, cricket or football injuries. All of them tell me they would not have done it if they had known the sort of issues that would develop. Problems included further frozen shoulders, nerve damage, withered muscles, loss of sensations, loss of strength, feelings of instability, arthritis and pain.
From what I have gleaned going into the surgery they thought it was going to be a fix, a good as new scenario. It was a fix but not even close to good as new. It's was a fix like a hip replacement is a fix for someone who can no longer walk, sure they walk again but it's not the same as new!
The irony is that for several of my friends the surgery was described as a faster alternative to intense physiotherapy but not better than physiotherapy, so they really had the surgery as a sort of shortcut! A couple of them who had the surgery, and due to complications, ended up doing more physiotherapy than they would have done if they didn't have the surgery!
On that note I have a mate who deals with all sorts of specialists every day. His thoughts are that there are two types of doctors, those who look after patients and those who look after themselves. Mostly if you go to see a surgeon he'll recommend surgery as that how they make their money. The amount of surgery in Aus compared to Japan is staggering.
I just want a fair dinkum, honest 4 quarter effort.
If we don't at least get that Prof, the last shred of credibility for this playing group will be gone - at least for me it will.
Isn't he having surgery at the end of the year? So it's less about if but when.
It would be nice to hear from DOA about this?
Isn't he having surgery at the end of the year? So it's less about if but when.
That's my understanding IOT.
A conservative approach now so that he can get back on the field ASAP and hope he doesn't have more issues. He will have the operation at the end of the year and have another limited pre-season.
As someone who has suffered a sublux injury, I have never had an operation, and my shoulders have never been the same, however I have also sought the advice from an Orthopaedic surgeion and he adivsed that they would unlikely be rectified by surgery and that often intensive Physio therapy is a better outcome unless it becomes a serial problem.
Think back to Andrew Walker. He had recurring issues with his until he had an operation but he also has issues over head these days.
Realistically, surgery isnt a great outcome for any injury, its better used as a worst case scenario.
I have had both shoulders dislocate. First one was playing g grade amateurs. i then re-dislocated it in a fight. The second one was when our neighbour went O/S and his car alarm kept going off for days. Police said they could do nothing and if I touched it they'd charge me. Finally got the RACV to come and dismantle the alarm after contacting the guy's work (it was a work vehicle). Then his dumbass missus comes home and gets the RACV to get the car going again. Later that night the alarm started again. I dislocated my shoulder punching the couch repeatedly in frustration. Cut a long story short my shoulders are now really strong through years and years of weights, so sometimes physio is the best thing.
Docherty Jamison Tuohy
Rowe Henderson Yaran
Walker Gibbs Simpson
Jones Casboult Everitt
Buckley Watson Armfield
Wood Judd Murphy
Int
Cripps Whiley Carrozzo Bell
In Walker Buckley Watson Armfield Cripps Whiley
Out Menzel (inj) White (inj) Ellard, Tutt, Smith, Curnow (all omitted)
On Notice: Henderson, Murphy, Carrazzo, Jones
Docherty Jamison Tuohy
Rowe Henderson Yaran
Walker Gibbs Simpson
Jones Casboult Everitt
Buckley Watson Armfield
Wood Judd Murphy
Int
Cripps Whiley Carrozzo Bell
In Walker Buckley Watson Armfield Cripps Whiley
Out Menzel (inj) White (inj) Ellard, Tutt, Smith, Curnow (all omitted)
On Notice: Henderson, Murphy, Carrazzo, Jones
Not bad DGJ...reckon Cripps wont play with his bad back and Tutt will get another game, Walker, Armfield and Whiley are certs to play IMO.....Watto and Buckley 50/50
Docherty Jamison Tuohy
Rowe Henderson Yaran
Walker Gibbs Simpson
Jones Casboult Everitt
Buckley Watson Armfield
Wood Judd Murphy
Int
Cripps Whiley Carrozzo Bell
In Walker Buckley Watson Armfield Cripps Whiley
Out Menzel (inj) White (inj) Ellard, Tutt, Smith, Curnow (all omitted)
On Notice: Henderson, Murphy, Carrazzo, Jones
The problem is that with an injury or two, our lack of depth is exposed. I'd like to see changes along the lines you have outlined but the replacements have done bugger all. I would keep Curnow and drop Jones.
If Buckley does come in, I reckon he'll be the sub.
Not bad DGJ...reckon Cripps wont play with his bad back and Tutt will get another game, Walker, Armfield and Whiley are certs to play IMO.....Watto and Buckley 50/50
Does he have a bad back?
Thought it might just be part of the ongoing pantomime because he pulled out late in the WCE game for Ellard.
Docherty Jamison Tuohy
Rowe Henderson Yarran
Walker Gibbs Simpson
Jones Casboult Everitt
Buckley Watson Armfield
Wood Judd Murphy
Int
Cripps Whiley Carrozzo Bell
In Walker Buckley Watson Armfield Cripps Whiley
Out Menzel (inj) White (inj) Ellard, Tutt, Smith, Curnow (all omitted)
On Notice: Henderson, Murphy, Carrazzo, Jones
Like the previous 2 posters, I think this is probably not far off the mark. Walker, Armfield and Whiley have done enough and deserve a go. Watson is a chance, especially after his effort against Essendon last year, Cripps is a good chance if he is fit. Buckley would add pass and dash from defence.
However, I am not sure Ellard will be dropped: he is a favourite and he did a very good job negating Hurn last week for 3 quarters. That is more than most of his team mates can claim. Whether he is the answer against a different defence is a good question.
Curnow's form has been ordinary, but he did do the job against Richmond. This may save his bacon.
Tutt may get the chance because he has had only 1 senior appearance and he does offer a good kick at goal. However, if he is going to get so few possessions he will not be a permanent fixture. It will be interesting to see how the Match Committee is thinking, especially with Walker able to fill this role.
Our key defenders really need some confidence. Last year they controlled Essendon's tall forwards easily. However, neither has any form or confidence to bring into this game, while their opponents think they are God after last week.
Last week Wood got killed. If that happens again, we are toast. Bellchambers is a lot less likely to towel up Wood, but he has had 2 excellent games, while Wood is struggling. Essendon don't have much to give Bellchambers a rest, but Casboult has n9ot been rucking well either. In theory Casboult should be able to beat Ambrose or Daniher, but I would hate to bet that way on present form.
Similarly Hurley is in career best form at CHB. Casboult is the sort of player to worry him, but Casboult's form is not close to career best.
The last couple of weeks have shown an Essendon who really want the ball more than their opponents and are physically aggressive. If we show the same desire and aggression we will beat them. It is, after all, one of the defining characteristics of Malthouse coached teams. Unfortunately we have not been showing the major characteristics of Malthouse coached teams: desperation , desire, aggression and on field discipline. If we can match them in these areas, then things could be very interesting.
Curnow is a really interesting case, because he looks fit and based on his game style you would think fitness should equate to form. Has he been worked out by the opposition?
For me Ed Curnow is just a version of Marc Murphy with the skills, agility, pace, decision making and knowledge removed!
If Curnow isn't gut running opponents into the ground he has little to offer, it's up to the MC to give him a role that delivers the opportunity!
If we are competitive for 2 quarters it will be an improvement on the efforts to date this season.
Thank goodness we have a friends wedding so I'm no chance of seeing this game in SA.
Interesting changes; something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue!
It seems that winning is still an important consideration, and so it should be!
That's Armfield, Cripps, Byrne and Walker by the way.
Outs are Menzel, White, Tutt and Smith. Jones keeps his spot ::)
In: Andrew Walker,
Ciaran Byrne,
Patrick Cripps,
Dennis Armfield
Out:Clem Smith (Omitted),
Jason Tutt (Omitted),
Simon White (Knee),
Troy Menzel (Calf)
Don't know how Ellard gets a game ahead of Whiley, Buckley and a couple of others.
But this looks a better side.
I reckon we give Henderson a bit longer and then send him back to defence.
1) He's a very good one on one CHB
2) He is very creative, makes good decisions and is a better than average user of the pill.
He might set up more goals than he would kick as a forward.
My mum's house is up for auction at 1pm so I will miss a good part of this game....which is probably a good thing.
Big game for Byrne to come in on - best of luck son.
I wouldn't shed any tears if Carazzo accidently buried a juicer up to his neck in the middle of the MCG... payback is a biatch.
Like the Ins, will probably be watching on tv (Ch7, delayed).
Don't know how Ellard gets a game ahead of Whiley, Buckley and a couple of others.
Ellard did a pretty good job on Hurn but you're right, other blokes offer more and he's not the future.
Don't know how Ellard gets a game ahead of Whiley, Buckley and a couple of others.
We're rebuilding.
In: Andrew Walker,
Ciaran Byrne,
Patrick Cripps,
Dennis Armfield
Out:Clem Smith (Omitted),
Jason Tutt (Omitted),
Simon White (Knee),
Troy Menzel (Calf)
Don't know how Ellard gets a game ahead of Whiley, Buckley and a couple of others.
But this looks a better side.
Amazing that he's still on the list, let alone getting a game.
Buckley was apparently quite average but I'd still give him a run. Must be an upgrade on Ellard.
Too many of our good and promising players have gone backwards this year. Watson and Graham looked like they may turn out okay but they're nowhere ATM.
Ellard gives something that some others do not.
100% very time he runs out.
He wasn't our worst last week. Only a back-up player though.
My mum's house is up for auction at 1pm so I will miss a good part of this game....which is probably a good thing.
Better than getting your wisdom teeth out. :(
Are you doing the house?
In: Andrew Walker,
Ciaran Byrne,
Patrick Cripps,
Dennis Armfield
Out:Clem Smith (Omitted),
Jason Tutt (Omitted),
Simon White (Knee),
Troy Menzel (Calf)
Don't know how Ellard gets a game ahead of Whiley, Buckley and a couple of others.
But this looks a better side.
Agree...better team but I would have the bigger bodied Whiley in vs the Essendon...
Ellard might have done a job on Hurn but he has to kick goals if he plays as a small forward......probably a reflection on our lack of small forwards....Tutt unlucky to miss
even though he wasnt much use vs WC but he deserved a second chance...
Good luck to young Byrne who has some style but I think Whiley would have been the better pick....
I wouldnt mind seeing some more of Blaine Johnson in the small forward role and hope he gets promoted.....
Better than getting your wisdom teeth out. :(
Are you doing the house?
Nah 'apparently' it's not good practice to do my mum's so I will be there with her for support. Would rather be hustling a few extra bids up myself! :))
But yes, you are stiff with the wisdoms, mine came out easily, that's what you need to hope for. We both will still probably have it better that those watching the game however. :P
Carlton
B: Lachie Henderson, Michael Jamison, Zach Tuohy.
HB: Sam Docherty, Andrew Walker, Ciaran Byrne.
C: Andrejs Everitt, Patrick Cripps, Chris Yarran.
HF: Dennis Armfield, Liam Jones, David Ellard.
F: Marc Murphy, Levi Casboult, Kade Simpson.
Foll: Cameron Wood, Bryce Gibbs, Chris Judd.
I/C: Tom Bell, Andrew Carrazzo, Ed Curnow, Sam Rowe.
Emg: Dylan Buckley, Jason Tutt, Mark Whiley.
In: Andrew Walker, Ciaran Byrne, Patrick Cripps, Dennis Armfield.
Out: Clem Smith (Omitted), Jason Tutt (Omitted), Simon White (Knee), Troy Menzel (Calf).
New: Ciaran Byrne
Essendon
B: Michael Hibberd, Cale Hooker, Mark Baguley.
HB: Brent Stanton, Jake Carlisle, Dustin Fletcher.
C: Travis Colyer, Jobe Watson, Zach Merrett.
HF: Brendon Goddard, Patrick Ambrose, Martin Gleeson.
F: Adam Cooney, Michael Hurley, Joe Daniher.
Foll: Tom Bellchambers, Jake Melksham, Dyson Heppell.
I/C: Paul Chapman, Ben Howlett, David Zaharakis, Jason Ashby.
Emg: Kyle Langford, James Gwilt, Courtenay Dempsey
In: Dustin Fletcher
Out: James Gwilt (Omitted)
I am a bit surprised Whiley didn't get a go, but we will be playing soon.
It is Goddard's 250th. We have been very poor in ruining milestones in recent years, while we've almost always lost our our milestone games. That irritates me no end.
The other things is that Essendon's no names seen to play brilliantly against us. It is one thing I hope we can cure.
The other things is that Essendon's no names seen to play brilliantly against us. It is one thing I hope we can cure.
So true. Anyone remember Jackson Merrett? Not many do & not in the Essendon team tomorrow, but tore us a new one last year in our first encounter, in what was his only decent game of the year......*sigh*
The more I think about this game the more I come to believe that it is our "Line in the Sand". Following on from what The Judge said earlier in the week it is time for everyone, coaches, playing group etc. to stand up and be counted. It's going to be a very interesting, revealing, and possibly passionate game.
The more I think about this game the more I come to believe that it is our "Line in the Sand". Following on from what The Judge said earlier in the week it is time for everyone, coaches, playing group etc. to stand up and be counted. ...
and like we have done consistently in recent years will fail miserably. This group of players lacks any semblance of intestinal fortitude. They are mocked and laughed at by the industry. When the going gets tough, like good little mummy's boys, they just pull their own pants down and cop the pineapples. The Club is so far off the mark its not funny. It was amazing to read about all the optimism in the off season. Personally I saw nothing to suggest anything had changed. This group likes to talk but they don't know how to walk! My best friend constantly reminds me of a premonition he had 2 or 3 years ago. Whenever we discuss Carlton, he always says to me "2027". Its the year he thinks we will next taste success. I think he isn't too far off the mark.
Will be an interesting game. Essendon should be dead flat and on the carpet, and yet they get up and beat Hawthorn. Somehow Hird has bluffed his way through the 'walls of shame' and shockingly has a successful team.
The Blues have started well and then got rolled. To start well is a good sign and to collapse as they have should be able to be analysed and fixed.
I have an inkling that we will toss the Bombers and wouldn't it be a wonderful statement of decency.
The Blues are a quality bunch of blokes - and quality blokes face up!
Here's hoping!!!
In relation to Murph's comments at the beginning of the week, it looks like we've identified Clem Smith and Jason Tutt as two players who don't want to be at Carlton. I'm being facetious.
Looking at the two lineups I believe that we match up pretty well with the Bummers although I would've liked Dylan Buckley in at the expense of perhaps Carrazzo, just to add more pace. What will separate the two sides in the end is work rate and desire to win. Go hard Blues and good luck to Ciaran Byrne.
In relation to Murph's comments at the beginning of the week, it looks like we've identified Clem Smith and Jason Tutt as two players who don't want to be at Carlton. I'm being facetious.
Looking at the two lineups I believe that we match up pretty well with the Bummers although I would've liked Dylan Buckley in at the expense of perhaps Carrazzo, just to add more pace. What will separate the two sides in the end is work rate and desire to win. Go hard Blues and good luck to Ciaran Byrne.
That's the really interesting and revealing bit - right there!
Yes, best of luck Ciaran on your senior debut - go for it son!
Agreed, Carrotts will have to do a power of work inside holding teh ball inside to combat the juicer's spread and pace, if Whiley had played a full game in the two's I would have been tempted to play him instead.
Would have played Buckley for his outside pace and would give Touhy a run on the ball and telll him to go hard in a straight line and beggar the consequences.
The shortest way to goal is a straight line, straight down the corridor.
GODDARD , i am sure he said something about our club when he crossed to ess,so its time to make his 250 miserable,i dont want to see bj carried of the ground with a smile ,go blues
GODDARD , i am sure he said something about our club when he crossed to ess,so its time to make his 250 miserable,i dont want to see bj carried of the ground with a smile ,go blues
Who needs to go back that far, think of what the faker did last season against us!
Apparently you can't hit him too hard!
Rumour swirling that Judd is out.
This was on Facebook, if true, you'd reckon the players wouldn't be able to look the woman in the eye and then go out and play like blouses :
Please have have a read, written by Victoria Keating.....Hi all you fellow Blues supporters. I just wanted to share a quick story with you about our beloved Blue boys and how awesome they are both on and off the field. My sister, Margie Jackson, has terminal cancer. She is 43, a mother of 2, and recently married to her long time partner of 28 years to cross off her bucket. Another of her bucket list wishes is to meet the Carlton footy players.... So, a friend of ours managed to contact the club and they have given her 4 tickets to tomorrows game AND she will get to meet some of the players before the game!! How cool is that?? She is wheelchair bound and close to the end of her journey but the excitement of meeting "her boys" has given her a smile I have not seen for quite some time! When she was given this awesome news she cried (which is NOT like her at all believe me). She is most keen to meet Kade Simpson and tell him she prefers him without his beard lol. Anyway, I just wanted to share this story with fellow Blues supporters and let everyone know how they have made my sister the happiest dying woman in the world. Margie, I hope you have a sensational day - you deserve it xox GO BLUES
This was on Facebook, if true, you'd reckon the players wouldn't be able to look the woman in the eye and then go out and play like blouses :
I lost my cousin to cancer at the start of this year ad Juddycalled to talk to her in person. Unfortunately she was not able to take is call but I'm betting this stuff goes on all the time, we just never hear about it.
This was on Facebook, if true, you'd reckon the players wouldn't be able to look the woman in the eye and then go out and play like blouses :
Not sure you should link the two Sheik.
A bit piss weak on your behalf to suggest that if they don't play well they have not done the right thing by a dying woman.
Pull your head in.
Rumour swirling that Judd is out.
Strange thing is, Carlton have been backed quite heavily. The line is actually into 24.5 all the way from 35.5 and we're come into $3.85 outright. That's some pretty solid money.
In other news Ciaran Byrne's parents have flown in all the way from Ireland for his first game. I hope to God that Mick doesn't make him sub.
Strange thing is, Carlton have been backed quite heavily. The line is actually into 24.5 all the way from 35.5 and we're come into $3.85 outright. That's some pretty solid money.
In other news Ciaran Byrne's parents have flown in all the way from Ireland for his first game. I hope to God that Mick doesn't make him sub.
It won't matter. If our bad luck continues the sub will be on within a few minutes of the bounce. ;)
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Strange thing is, Carlton have been backed quite heavily. The line is actually into 24.5 all the way from 35.5 and we're come into $3.85 outright. That's some pretty solid money.
In other news Ciaran Byrne's parents have flown in all the way from Ireland for his first game. I hope to God that Mick doesn't make him sub.
His parents flying out from Ireland has anything to do with him being sub or not. If he's the sub he's the sub, whether he is from Ireland, Colac, Broken Hill or Craigieburn.
Still doesn't change the fact that I hope Mick doesn't make him sub. ;)
If this is our front 6,
HF: Dennis Armfield, Liam Jones, David Ellard.
F: Marc Murphy, Levi Casboult, Kade Simpson.
....................We've got no chance.
That's as bad a Carlton forward line as I've ever seen.
If we only win 4-6 games this year... Please, please, please, please let this be one of them. I'll even take a loss to Collingwood.
If this is our front 6,
HF: Dennis Armfield, Liam Jones, David Ellard.
F: Marc Murphy, Levi Casboult, Kade Simpson.
....................We've got no chance.
That's as bad a Carlton forward line as I've ever seen.
I expect that it will be more like
Walker Henderson Armfield
Jones Casboult Murphy
No late changes, Byrne the SUB according to AFL Facebook update.
If we only win 4-6 games this year... Please, please, please, please let this be one of them. I'll even take a loss to Collingwood.
It's not going to happen, the Bumblers have bonded big time around the peptides and we're playing like a rabble.
It would have to be the biggest turnaround in decades, but where there's life there's hope I suppose.
Not confident at all...