Patty has now played two games where he looks like a champion in the making.
St Kilda and Sydney.
Both have had Judd not in the side. I took note this week at Patty and when the ball goes up, he is on he move, where last week he played a stationary game.
Should Juddy retire now and allow Cripps to be the number 1 extractor?
Judd is going to retire, he was conned into an extra season! Carlton has torn out the heart of football's version of Phar Lap!
Not IMO. Judd won't play every minute of every game - he may miss some games altogether. Cripps will get his chances for sure.
There's also no reason why they can't play together.
Having Judd will be good for Cripps this season.
But when Judd plays Cripps is nowhere near the level when Judd is not there.
But when Judd plays Cripps is nowhere near the level when Judd is not there.
I would assume there is some sort of organization beforehand as to who does what when they are both out there. I would hope the match committee is sensible enough to get the most out of both of them when they're out there together. I would also think it would be a good learning experience for Cripps to learn how to play alongside someone like Judd.
There's also no reason why they have to play similar roles every second of every game. There ought to be sufficient scope and time this season for Cripps to learn about different positions - he could spend time a resting HFF, alternating with Judd etc.
With a little imagination and footy nous, they could easily play very good footy in the same team.
With a little imagination and footy nous, they could easily play very good footy in the same team.
That seems to be the challenge because it hasn't happened so far.
That seems to be the challenge because it hasn't happened so far.
Perhaps so Ray, but it needs to happen.
Cripps needs to learn to play with others sharing the load IMO. Judd will retire at season's end and should help take some heat of cripps when required otherwise play him away from the middle.
I've actually been on about this all year.
I'd like to see Judd play flank/wing/forward for the rest of the season.
cripps is very much a centreman. Like Josh Kennedy.
He's shown when played in that position he shows a lot of promise.
You can't pick young players and then play them out of position. Makes no sense to me. Murphy and Gibbs who do not chase or tackle (same goes for Judd) and are horrible role models can spend more time forward or in the VFL.
Those 3 have a lot to do with where we are at this year. When you have never put in defensive effort of any real note you can get by when youre hurting the opposition with your offense. But when that drops off you're a massive liability Both in terms of your own performance and the example you set your teammates.
Is it possibly something simple ? Maybe the young fellow is a little awestruck ? Maybe he becomes hesitant and tentative, because he doesn't want to embarrass himself in front of Judd ?
On the one hand, we have our best player of the last 10-15 years, and on the other, we have the "anointed one", who is likely to be our best player in the next 10 years. It seems crazy that they can't do well together.
EDIT : is it also possible that Cripps is being eased into the role rather than thrown in ? Maybe the MC have told him Judd won't be there next year, so observe him while you can.
Maybe Judd should step aside and let this kid stand on his own feet. He seemed to be the defacto leader around the packs yesterday... threw his weight around a couple of times against ? Jack. Was front and centre in most of the action. Showed a heck of a lot of leadership against a hard outfit.
Juud, Murphy and Gibbs need to spend less time in the centre.
Juud, Murphy and Gibbs need to spend less time in the centre.
You read my thoughts MBB. I would be looking for Cripps and Graham to be spending more time inside and have at least Juddy and Murphy more in outside roles. Gives the young guys some experience and gives us a bit more outside class.
Juud, Murphy and Gibbs need to spend less time in the centre.
This but I think Gibbs is young enough to continue in the middle.
Juud, Murphy and Gibbs need to spend less time in the centre.
I agree, but MIcks reliance on taggers means nobody else could rotate through there, all spots taken, so the best mids have to stay on the ball longer.
Not that Murph was there much recently.
Hopefully J Barker see's things differently.
Judd could just as easily switch to the role of outside mid.
Cripps is still wet behind the ears.
I don't see it being an issue seeing Judd would be retiring comes season's end. A perfect mentor for Cripps.
@Raydan...
Cripps is getting more midfield minutes in a team that is short on midfielders (ie when Judd is out). Obviously his numbers are going to go up when this happens.
You are suggesting that Cripps can play to same standard every week simply if we don't have judd in the team. He will run out of gas in a month if he is expected to do that. It takes multiple pre-seasons to get used to the wear and tear of AFL footy.
IMO having Judd is allowing him to develop perfectly.
Having Judd the can only help his development. At this point if he takes Judd's role he'll be knackered by year's end. The education with Judd there is more important.
Having Judd the can only help his development. At this point if he takes Judd's role he'll be knackered by year's end. The education with Judd there is more important.
Tend to agree....having him there, a couple of feet away, watching him in action, giving you a few tips on positioning would be invaluable, (even at the expense of your own performance in the early stages of your career)...plenty of time for his own standout games (and it looks like there will be many).
It's painfully obvious that Cripps is the man we have to build this team around.
Cripps still needs educating and isnt there yet as a player and I reckon Judd is still value as a mentor ....
Cripps still needs educating and isnt there yet as a player and I reckon Judd is still value as a mentor ....
Yes, yes and yes, and so should be Murphy and Gibbs to help him along the way with Bell. He needs to feel he is mentored and needs to feel the support. He isn't superman just yet. He needs to earn his cape first. ;)
Cripps still needs educating and isnt there yet as a player and I reckon Judd is still value as a mentor ....
In our "rebuild mode" we need to retain next year some carefully selected senior players as mentors and part of a solid team framework for the younger guys to help them develop. These guys would reinforce what the club expects from the young guys as well as teaching them the ropes. Juddy would be one certainly if he's prepared to stay another year in that role and Simmo also springs to mind as a good onfield example setter.
Cripps still needs educating and isnt there yet as a player and I reckon Judd is still value as a mentor ....
Even if Judd wants to hang up the boots at seasons end I'd like to think we could retain him as an assistant for blokes like Crippa.
Judd should be retained as a personal midfield coach.... as Pratt said "get the best". The best mid of his generation, a revered figure etc
Off the top of my head it's not a stretch to say that Judd would be top five in our b+f.
He isn't holding back anybody.
They are simply in his shadow.
Judd should be retained as a personal midfield coach.... as Pratt said "get the best". The best mid of his generation, a revered figure etc
Yeah pratt employed swan ::)
On another issue I think the club need to look at some new roles for Murphy and Gibbs...I didnt really think they were missed that much in the midfield as far as ball getting
was concerned and while they have more polish than say Cripps, Bell,Curnow etc they dont have much presence or impact with their disposal these days.
Murphy in particular is under pressure most of the time and Gibbs has been kicking around corners and been sloppy with his work this season...maybe Gibbs playing forward
in a more permanent role might get us better results on the scoreboard and Murphy playing outside on a wing might take pressure off him....
On another issue I think the club need to look at some new roles for Murphy and Gibbs...I didnt really think they were missed that much in the midfield as far as ball getting
was concerned and while they have more polish than say Cripps, Bell,Curnow etc they dont have much presence or impact with their disposal these days.
Murphy in particular is under pressure most of the time and Gibbs has been kicking around corners and been sloppy with his work this season...maybe Gibbs playing forward
in a more permanent role might get us better results on the scoreboard and Murphy playing outside on a wing might take pressure off him....
Trade them both out. .
I would also like to see Cripps develop as a leader, he already throws his weight around in the conest and dumps people in tackles so there is something there.
Simpson captain next year and all things being equal Cripps the year after, young but he is all we got.
I would be resting Judd and crips on the forward line interchanging them onto the ball with each other.They both cannot stay on the ball all day and that allows them to work in there with the likes of Gibbs and murph who then can be the outside runners.Throw in curnow as your tagger and bell and graham as your changes and it doesn't look to bad. Everitt and yarran onto the wings where they can both go forward and back.and Thomas as a lock down small forward.So the side would look something like this.
Backs. Jaecks jamo carrots
H/ b. simo Rowe. Doc
C. Yaz. Gibbs. Everitt
H/f. Bell. Hendo. Cripps
For. Thomas. Cas. Walker
On ball. Wood. Judd Murph
Inter. Menz. Curnow Buckley graham
Emerg. White Tuohy
And if Kruezer comes good out with wood
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-06-05/cripps-initiative-pays-off
he hard work and determination is paying off for Carlton young gun Patrick Cripps.
In a break-out year "Crippa" has been a shining light in the Blues’ midfield and the football community is taking notice, awarding him the AFL’s Rising Star Nomination in round four.
At the end of last year, the big-bodied midfielder sat down with dual Brownlow medallist Chris Judd to discuss his development. The pair agreed Cripps should aim to shed a few kilos.
“At the end of the year I sat down and had a brief chat with Juddy … in the off-season I just tried to drop my body fat,” Cripps told SEN on Friday. - See more at: http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-06-05/cripps-initiative-pays-off#sthash.sZboVzqF.vnZKqgh2.dpuf
Don't underestimate the power of Chris Judd.
We got an absolute gem of a human being in this bloke (and Cripps too!).
I think the original message has been lost.
When Judd doesn't play Cripps has played his best two games, when Judd does play Cripps is near invisible.
If Judd plays this weekend we will see how much impact Cripps has.
I think the original message has been lost.
When Judd doesn't play Cripps has played his best two games, when Judd does play Cripps is near invisible.
If Judd plays this weekend we will see how much impact Cripps has.
....but does that mean he's hampering his development.
It's like if you're an apprentice working with a tradesman.
While he's around and showing you things you take a backseat and learn.
When he's not around you have the ability to put your own style on the job......and make the odd mistake without fear of being picked up on it.
Both are valuable learning experiences, but you take your time with the master while you still have it.
You have plenty of time to strike out on your own.
I think the original message has been lost.
When Judd doesn't play Cripps has played his best two games, when Judd does play Cripps is near invisible.
If Judd plays this weekend we will see how much impact Cripps has.
I haven't noticed him become invisible when Judd plays. Far from it.
Sadly, we probably won't see them in the same team again after today.
Even before today, my answer to the thread title would have been no.
For all the wrong reasons it won't be an issue for the rest of the season.
Juddy passed the baton to Cripps today. One star leaves but a new one is born.
In the years to come Cripps will probably look back on these early seasons and be very grateful for the opportunity to play alongside one of the greats....as will the young guys who play with Cripps at the end of his career ;)
Juddy passed the baton to Cripps today. One star leaves but a new one is born.
The king is gone, long live the king!