We all dream of having a Sticks or Fev running out from goal demanding the ball but as of late it seems the club is reluctant to keep someone in that one position.
Our forward structure is left wanting.
I still don't understand why we just don't plonk Levi in the goals and that's where he stays. He learns to run in patterns and make that posi his. Others also learn to play around him.
I'm tired of this one quarter here or there.
He is a great mark and players are starting to fear his footsteps and his kicking has improved.
To the CFC... Please lease Levi at Full Forward so he can become our leading POWER FORWARD.
He stays there ALL GAME! :)
We saw the way forward last night guys.
It means every player learning how to play every position on the field, in order to cover for a loss of a player via injury and not have to shuffle game plans.
I wouldnt have done a study as I CBF, but I would guess that having to severly change our method of playing football has cost us more games than anything else over the last 5 years due to a player going down injured.
What we saw last night were blokes playing all over the place at times. Some going to relative key positions, others pushing up the field from a hbf whilst someone filled the hole that their absence left down back, to the point where we had blokes running into key position forward roles as ruckmen.
Until our boys learn all the roles that they have to, we will have lapses, quarters where we are uncompetitive, players that frustrate us because we cant figure out what they were trying to do (possibly because neither could they) but in time the weak links will lessen and this will become a strength.
It might take three years, but I have nothing but time. We are not going to become world beaters, but we will be more united for it, and watch everyone have a better understanding of their teamates if it pays off.
We saw the way forward last night guys.
It means every player learning how to play every position on the field, in order to cover for a loss of a player via injury and not have to shuffle game plans.
I wouldnt have done a study as I CBF, but I would guess that having to severly change our method of playing football has cost us more games than anything else over the last 5 years due to a player going down injured.
What we saw last night were blokes playing all over the place at times. Some going to relative key positions, others pushing up the field from a hbf whilst someone filled the hole that their absence left down back, to the point where we had blokes running into key position forward roles as ruckmen.
Until our boys learn all the roles that they have to, we will have lapses, quarters where we are uncompetitive, players that frustrate us because we cant figure out what they were trying to do (possibly because neither could they) but in time the weak links will lessen and this will become a strength.
It might take three years, but I have nothing but time. We are not going to become world beaters, but we will be more united for it, and watch everyone have a better understanding of their teamates if it pays off.
Three years is about right Thry, then one more to become world beaters :)
Bolton wasn't expecting miracles but he seemed pretty pleased with how we executed the game plan at times. I thought his comments about Casboult were good too. Even Fev and Sticks would struggle if they got poor delivery.
It will be interesting to see how the forwards go against weaker opposition next game. Big Harry could get a run.
We wont be going anywhere until we get a SPECIALIST KP Full Forward who can convert.....that means a lead up Full Forward who can also take a contested mark vs his opponent and convert from 50m out if he has to..
Levi is a very good forward pocket/relief ruckman but he doesnt have the nous to play FF or the ground play, forwards are born, not created.......
Harry Mckay will be our CHF, SOSOS will be our 3rd tall forward Gunston style but we need to recruit/steal a real deal FF....this trying to turn ruckman into KP Forwards drives me insane, Gorringe, Phillips, Kruezer wont make it as KP Forwards ever....all three are ruckman who can rest forward but not KP Forwards..
Foster is a specialist FF who is a good kick...where is he? and why isnt he being developed, if Bolton has any brains he will be demanding a KP Forward from SOS next draf t and in the meantime he probably has Foster and Jaksch as they only suitable candidates....Jaksch has good skills and is a nice kick, while he has been groomed for down back I would be trialling him along with Foster at FF and trying to give us something to kick to...
Levi, Gorringe, Philips and Kruezer means only one forward game plan and thats bomb it long like we saw vs the Hawks and we all know that doesnt work.....none have the nous like a Fevola or Kernahan to play the position...
Would love the days of the power forward to come back, this over played basket ball at times is boring to watch , takes many features out of the game. Yes I understand its all about percentages these days & zones etc , but its so boring to watch. Enjoy the game so much more when it was played with positional requirements. I realise we will never go back to those days , but it really annoys me , and I am sure many others , when we break from the wing, go through half forward to see.....nothing but vacant land. No player to kick to. If you have no forward , means no goals? Wish some one would have the guts and say Casboult stay within 30m of the goals, see how he goes in the one on one contests. Might even make oppostion coaches change there plan a little
Can't solve every positional problem in one draft.
I am quite surprised that Elwood used nous and Fevola in the one sentence. :)
What we need is a leader in the forward line, the go to man. The Hawks had a problem when they had Buddy in that they became a bit one dimensional. His leaving opened up the options and opportunities, however Roughhead has been their main man since he left. We need a team approach to our forward structure but we also need a leader. My biggest criticism on Waite and Henderson was that neither had the character to be the leader. They both were happy to be the second banana and that is why they will be happy in their new clubs.
I am quite surprised that Elwood used nous and Fevola in the one sentence. :)
What we need is a leader in the forward line, the go to man. The Hawks had a problem when they had Buddy in that they became a bit one dimensional. His leaving opened up the options and opportunities, however Roughhead has been their main man since he left. We need a team approach to our forward structure but we also need a leader. My biggest criticism on Waite and Henderson was that neither had the character to be the leader. They both were happy to be the second banana and that is why they will be happy in their new clubs.
Which banana is Jones? ;D
I am quite surprised that Elwood used nous and Fevola in the one sentence. :)
What we need is a leader in the forward line, the go to man. The Hawks had a problem when they had Buddy in that they became a bit one dimensional. His leaving opened up the options and opportunities, however Roughhead has been their main man since he left. We need a team approach to our forward structure but we also need a leader. My biggest criticism on Waite and Henderson was that neither had the character to be the leader. They both were happy to be the second banana and that is why they will be happy in their new clubs.
Yes, we desperately need someone to take charge of the forward line (another reason why we should have worked harder to keep Betts). I'm not convinced that we need a specialist full forward. Blokes who can play their role in the forward structure will get the job done but they'll do better if there's someone to ensure that they are sticking to the plan. Perhaps that will be Walker's role.
Do the Hawks have a specialist FF ?
Do the Hawks have a specialist FF ?
No they do not. The position of a power forward is increasingly redundant. All big blokes have to be able to run, and are more likely to spend most of their time running up and down the wings, to provide an option for the defenders to kick to.
The days of a FF running out of the goal square are gone.
The basics of footy never change, although fads come and go. Any side with power forward woudl play themplay him, but he has to be mobile and not be a witches hat when the ball leaves his area.... frankly we are looking for an entire front half, not a single power forward and you need a mix of types to succeed.
I'm sure BB is working hard trying to fix our fwd structure. This will be a big challenge for him and it's still uncertain re. how many players we have on our list who will measure up. Mckay seems promising among the new recruits as a big bloke and Levi may come good this year as a good contributor but I don't think he'll be a dominating power forward (hope I'm wrong).
"Fix" Cookie? I'd say it's more like trading our forward structure in on a new one :)
I think that the forward structure has to be looked at in the context of our new proactive defence and better ball movement and, even if nothing else changes, that should give our forwards more opportunities. If Bolton's forward structure can work with the players we've got, kicking a winning score should be possible, if not probable.
While I appreciated the way Jones tackled and attacked the contest on Thursday, he never really looked like taking a mark and I suspect that he won't play much of a part in the season proper. Gorringe had a cameo appearance and I don't know if he'll offer anything. Kreuzer looked OK when he went forward but he has to make the most of his chances and his best work is around the ground. Phillips has some hops (Brereton reckons he once hurdled a car) but so did Hampson.
Casboult is our best bet as a key forward if his knee holds up (I hope his knee was just iced to aid recovery after the game). His marking is outstanding and his tank is good enough for him to get up the ground to provide an outlet target. His wonky ball drop is still an issue and I think that he will need ongoing work on his kicking to ensure that his conversion rate remains well above 50%.
Finding another key forward to complement Casboult seems to be the issue and I will be looking forward to seeing whether McKay is up to the challenge or whether Foster or Gorringe can do the job. Wietering could be another option, particularly if Jaksch has been earmarked for a defensive role.
"Fix" Cookie? I'd say it's more like trading our forward structure in on a new one :)
Yes, but unfortunately we have to wait until next trade period for that :(. As you say though, there are a few options to try and we may get lucky with one of them.
Yes, but unfortunately we have to wait until next trade period for that :(. As you say though, there are a few options to try and we may get lucky with one of them.
Yes, we could well have a ten year key forward waiting in the wings and our targets at the next draft will be midfielders.
I'm looking forward to seeing a couple of the young forwards in action next weekend.
I am quite surprised that Elwood used nous and Fevola in the one sentence. :)
What we need is a leader in the forward line, the go to man. The Hawks had a problem when they had Buddy in that they became a bit one dimensional. His leaving opened up the options and opportunities, however Roughhead has been their main man since he left. We need a team approach to our forward structure but we also need a leader. My biggest criticism on Waite and Henderson was that neither had the character to be the leader. They both were happy to be the second banana and that is why they will be happy in their new clubs.
Fev was a natural Full Forward with plenty of nous on the field but zero nous off the field.....
re: Hawks...good teams have good fowards that hunt in pairs....Gunston helps make Roughead the player he is when playing forward......Freo cant win a flag with only Pavlich, Collingwood won with Dawes and Cloke
but have not been any good since...
We need need two Key specialist forwards who can convert because thats the other issue...Gunston and Roughead dont miss the easy ones....
All good Carlton teams have good key forwards and we will never be any good until we get back to the basic structure of a good team and have proper KP players down the spine ..not this Bull Shizen
idea of playing ruckman in KP's.....
Fev was a natural Full Forward with plenty of nous on the field but zero nous off the field.....
re: Hawks...good teams have good fowards that hunt in pairs....Gunston helps make Roughead the player he is when playing forward......Freo cant win a flag with only Pavlich, Collingwood won with Dawes and Cloke
but have not been any good since...
We need need two Key specialist forwards who can convert because thats the other issue...Gunston and Roughead dont miss the easy ones....
All good Carlton teams have good key forwards and we will never be any good until we get back to the basic structure of a good team and have proper KP players down the spine ..not this Bull Shizen
idea of playing ruckman in KP's.....
Brad Pearce was the missing link in '95 and he'd be a fair bit shorter than 1AW I imagine.....?
Fev was a natural Full Forward with plenty of nous on the field but zero nous off the field.....
re: Hawks...good teams have good fowards that hunt in pairs....Gunston helps make Roughead the player he is when playing forward......Freo cant win a flag with only Pavlich, Collingwood won with Dawes and Cloke
but have not been any good since...
We need need two Key specialist forwards who can convert because thats the other issue...Gunston and Roughead dont miss the easy ones....
All good Carlton teams have good key forwards and we will never be any good until we get back to the basic structure of a good team and have proper KP players down the spine ..not this Bull Shizen
idea of playing ruckman in KP's.....
Fev's nous was more about getting the pill himself than doing the best for the team . . . but that's another story.
We definitely need two genuine key forwards. Add a ruckman that can go forward and kick goals, midfielders that can score, backmen who can bang a couple through, a crumbing forward, a third tall and we've got the makings of the forward line. If all of the forwards can be effective up the ground too, we've got the makings of a very competitive side.
Brad Pearce was the missing link in '95 and he'd be a fair bit shorter than 1AW I imagine.....?
He was the cream on top of Kernahan and Spalding cake ....... we don't have Kernahan and Spalding.. :(
You must have two gun big forwards to succeed... Lockett and Fev kicked bags in crap sides that finished in the cellar. Add a second string and the sides start to go somewhere.
The '95 side had the Duke and Sticks as the power forwards, Pearce as the ground level/slick leading type, with Clape the versatile, smart mid-sized forward plus a choice of any number of fast deadly smalls playing crumbing role. You need a mix of types.
He was the cream on top of Kernahan and Spalding cake ....... we don't have Kernahan and Spalding.. :(
Got me there!
Forgot about the Duke!
You must have two gun big forwards to succeed... Lockett and Fev kicked bags in crap sides that finished in the cellar. Add a second string and the sides start to go somewhere.
The '95 side had the Duke and Sticks as the power forwards, Pearce as the ground level/slick leading type, with Clape the versatile, smart mid-sized forward plus a choice of any number of fast deadly smalls playing crumbing role. You need a mix of types.
x2 You can be the forward coach Prof as you know what we need...the 2 KP's plus support crew..
Which banana is Jones? ;D
Jones is the banana in pyjamas!
Jones is the banana in pyjamas!
BN1 or BN2 ? :)
You must have two gun big forwards to succeed... Lockett and Fev kicked bags in crap sides that finished in the cellar. Add a second string and the sides start to go somewhere.
The '95 side had the Duke and Sticks as the power forwards, Pearce as the ground level/slick leading type, with Clape the versatile, smart mid-sized forward plus a choice of any number of fast deadly smalls playing crumbing role. You need a mix of types.
I agree, I think a combination of Casboult as your power forward and Jaksch as a more crafty tall forward and Everitt as 3rd tall, plus Walker as a flanker plus someone to step up as a small is a good set up.
You must have two gun big forwards to succeed... Lockett and Fev kicked bags in crap sides that finished in the cellar. Add a second string and the sides start to go somewhere.
The '95 side had the Duke and Sticks as the power forwards, Pearce as the ground level/slick leading type, with Clape the versatile, smart mid-sized forward plus a choice of any number of fast deadly smalls playing crumbing role. You need a mix of types.
Our forward line is very much a work in progress. But as you mentioned, our successful forward line was not dependent on any one forward. We had 2 keys, Kernahan and Spalding. We had 2 mid sized forwards with something different, Clape and Pearce. We had a host of smalls.
At the moment we are lacking in all of those areas, but we do have potential:
[1] Key forwards:
We have just drafted 2 guys who could be answers, Curnow and McKay. They have real promise, but physically they won't be ready any time soon.
We have a real target in Casboult if we can get the ball near him regularly. Get the ball quickly from the middle and get him one out and he is a real headache for any defence. He has his issues and we all know them. But he is what we have.
Other than that, we have some question marks:
(a) Gorringe - a fail up in Qld, but a lad with the weapons. Can we make him work out as a key forward? I'm not sure, as I don't know how well he handles body pressure.
(b) Jones - next question. Seriously, he has the ability to blow away a defence, but he is probably not going to make it. He doesn't have enough idea, his kicking is unreliable, he doesn't get enough ball and his body work is terrible. For all that, he is a power player who can leap over tall buildings in a single bound. But he is not and never will be a primary key forward, a gorilla if you will.
(c) Resting ruckmen - another interesting concept, especially if we start moving the ball quickly into the forward 50. All of our rucks can take a mark and kick a goal, but they don't do it enough. Kreuzer looks much better as a ruckman and he is the most likely to do the job more than once in a game. But his kicking for goal is not what it used to be.
(d) Other kids - guys like Foster. Not sure what goes here.
[2] Mid sized forwards with X-Factor:
This is one area where we look not too bad.
We have Everitt, who can really do the job and take some really nice marks. He has issues with intensity and reliability, but he is a real danger. He has more pace than most guys his size and he can jump.
Andrew Walker used to be able to lead very well as well as taking screamers. Not what he used to be physically, but he does tackle and chase. He was once the most accurate kick for goal in the competition, but now he is unreliable. But his athleticism and potential work rate make him a real danger.
Silvagni is a look into the future. He may not have the raw pace of Walker, but he leads well, his work rate is 1st rate and he has the Silvagni desperation. He is also a much better kick than his old man.
I feel Gorringe will fit this role better than the key forward one as well, as he is much more mobile than he looks and his kicking is fine.
We also have guys like Armfield who have that extra pace and ability to shut down a key HBF player.
[3] Crumbing small forwards, including resting midfielders:
This is an area we really need to work on. Last year we had nothing on the ground at all, with no Betts and no Garlett. We tried Thomas, but he got injured in the 1st few minutes and couldn't contribute. We got Tutt, but he is playing better up field (where he looks not too bad).
So, we are dependent on new chums.
(a) Lamb - an unknown quantity who is yet to prove himself at 2 clubs.
(b) Sumner - a speed machine, but one who has struggled to get onto the park yet and who hasn't done a lot when he has.
(c) Gallucci - another guy with pace, but he has some runs on the board and crumbing is his specialty.
(d) Wright - not enough goals and not enough ball at Adelaide, but has the right attitude and work rate.
Then there are guys like Murphy, who really likes a goal when he gets the chance; Cripps, who is an incredibly difficult matchup at his height and Kerridge.
Looking at this and we could become quite a good forward line, but the questions are there.
I agree, I think a combination of Casboult as your power forward and Jaksch as a more crafty tall forward and Everitt as 3rd tall, plus Walker as a flanker plus someone to step up as a small is a good set up.
Apparently Jaksch has been training exclusively with the defenders so it seems unlikely that we'll see him as a forward.
Our options for the second key forward spot are Jones, Foster, Gorringe, McKay and Curnow and I'm not sure that any of that lot can do the job just yet - or anytime soon in the case of Jones.
I'd like to see Jaksch and Weitering tried as a key forwards but I suspect it won't happen.
Apparently Jaksch has been training exclusively with the defenders so it seems unlikely that we'll see him as a forward.
Our options for the second key forward spot are Jones, Foster, Gorringe, McKay and Curnow and I'm not sure that any of that lot can do the job just yet - or anytime soon in the case of Jones.
I'd like to see Jaksch and Weitering tried as a key forwards but I suspect it won't happen.
I think we'll go with the options you've identified DJC, with the additional option of possibly snaring another next year if they don't show promise.
BN1 or BN2 ? :)
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
I think I am B2.
Jones is the backup banana in pyjamas. He only gets on if B1 or B2 go down injured.
Our forward line is very much a work in progress. But as you mentioned, our successful forward line was not dependent on any one forward. We had 2 keys, Kernahan and Spalding. We had 2 mid sized forwards with something different, Clape and Pearce. We had a host of smalls.
At the moment we are lacking in all of those areas, but we do have potential:
[1] Key forwards:
We have just drafted 2 guys who could be answers, Curnow and McKay. They have real promise, but physically they won't be ready any time soon.
We have a real target in Casboult if we can get the ball near him regularly. Get the ball quickly from the middle and get him one out and he is a real headache for any defence. He has his issues and we all know them. But he is what we have.
Other than that, we have some question marks:
(a) Gorringe - a fail up in Qld, but a lad with the weapons. Can we make him work out as a key forward? I'm not sure, as I don't know how well he handles body pressure.
(b) Jones - next question. Seriously, he has the ability to blow away a defence, but he is probably not going to make it. He doesn't have enough idea, his kicking is unreliable, he doesn't get enough ball and his body work is terrible. For all that, he is a power player who can leap over tall buildings in a single bound. But he is not and never will be a primary key forward, a gorilla if you will.
(c) Resting ruckmen - another interesting concept, especially if we start moving the ball quickly into the forward 50. All of our rucks can take a mark and kick a goal, but they don't do it enough. Kreuzer looks much better as a ruckman and he is the most likely to do the job more than once in a game. But his kicking for goal is not what it used to be.
(d) Other kids - guys like Foster. Not sure what goes here.
[2] Mid sized forwards with X-Factor:
This is one area where we look not too bad.
We have Everitt, who can really do the job and take some really nice marks. He has issues with intensity and reliability, but he is a real danger. He has more pace than most guys his size and he can jump.
Andrew Walker used to be able to lead very well as well as taking screamers. Not what he used to be physically, but he does tackle and chase. He was once the most accurate kick for goal in the competition, but now he is unreliable. But his athleticism and potential work rate make him a real danger.
Silvagni is a look into the future. He may not have the raw pace of Walker, but he leads well, his work rate is 1st rate and he has the Silvagni desperation. He is also a much better kick than his old man.
I feel Gorringe will fit this role better than the key forward one as well, as he is much more mobile than he looks and his kicking is fine.
We also have guys like Armfield who have that extra pace and ability to shut down a key HBF player.
[3] Crumbing small forwards, including resting midfielders:
This is an area we really need to work on. Last year we had nothing on the ground at all, with no Betts and no Garlett. We tried Thomas, but he got injured in the 1st few minutes and couldn't contribute. We got Tutt, but he is playing better up field (where he looks not too bad).
So, we are dependent on new chums.
(a) Lamb - an unknown quantity who is yet to prove himself at 2 clubs.
(b) Sumner - a speed machine, but one who has struggled to get onto the park yet and who hasn't done a lot when he has.
(c) Gallucci - another guy with pace, but he has some runs on the board and crumbing is his specialty.
(d) Wright - not enough goals and not enough ball at Adelaide, but has the right attitude and work rate.
Then there are guys like Murphy, who really likes a goal when he gets the chance; Cripps, who is an incredibly difficult matchup at his height and Kerridge.
Looking at this and we could become quite a good forward line, but the questions are there.
I like Wright, averages 17 possies, 4 marks and 3 tackles a game, is a harder unit than the others and the Crows mids are a strong unit, so onball time would have been hard to get. He was ok vs the Hawks and is much more polished than the rest
I think both he and Kerridge will make us a better team....Wright will chase , tackle and do the basics well, probably doesnt have the Eddie Betts flair but is very honest.
I think Galluci is more your Ron Delulio style..both ex VFL/VFA....run and chase hard types......Lamb and Sumner were steak knives to get Plowman IMO and anything we get out of them is a bonus...
Cam Mooney on SEN said he worked with Liam Jones at the Dogs and said his tank is the problem, trains/tries hard but can only play in short bursts and then blows up and cant run anymore..
Only solution for that is to be played in a position where he doesnt run as much or take too much of of himself and thats down back...either FB or CHB....
I'd play Jones at FB in the NB's and have Jaksch training as my new FF....too me its obvious he has more going for him than the others...genuine KP rather than a manufactured ruckman type like Gorringe, smarter than Jones and kicks straighter..its a no brainer IMO that Jaksch play FF.
Wright looks to be an upgrade on Ellard but I had to look twice because they are around the same height.
Curnow is our next full forward. The talk about big bodied midfielder is just because he has endurance. Watching him play - he's suited to full forward. Plays tall for his height. Jumps at the ball well and will develop into a very big boy.
A few years to wait though.
EB, I reckon that Moon-dog is being nice to Jones... sure he may not have the tank but he simply doesn't have the nous to create space or run to dangerous positions and he has hard hands...infuriated me last year the way he kept running towards Henderson thus dragging his man to the contest leaving Henderson (or Casboult) to mark against multiple defenders. Also drops way too many marks and flies for everything leaving us outnumbered at the secondary contest - basically flies for the ball and doesn't recover and follow up.
In short he has as much chance of making it as a forward as I have. Maybe played as a high half forward presnting to the defence on the way out or behind the ball, but KP player he isn't and never will be.
We should be giving Jaksch a run across half forward - knows how to create space and separation, has better lateral movement and is a far better set shot kick.
Pretty much agree DrE.
Curnow is our next full forward. The talk about big bodied midfielder is just because he has endurance. Watching him play - he's suited to full forward. Plays tall for his height. Jumps at the ball well and will develop into a very big boy.
A few years to wait though.
I suspect the 'big bodied midfielder' tag is more about Curnow's ability to have an occasional run on the ball as Roughead does.
From the training footage I've seen, he has an excellent set of dukes and could very well develop into a key forward.
How tall is C. Curnow? i've seen 191 and 192 cm. Still growing?
How tall is C. Curnow? i've seen 191 and 192 cm. Still growing?
Almost the same size as Fev; a few kgs lighter and if he's still growing he will be taller.
In regards to Liam Jones, I'd be training him to have a run off CHB and possibly trial Jaksch's in the forward line. The only place I can see Jones having any chance in the AFL.
Simply not a real alternative in the forward line.
Curnow is our next full forward. The talk about big bodied midfielder is just because he has endurance. Watching him play - he's suited to full forward. Plays tall for his height. Jumps at the ball well and will develop into a very big boy.
A few years to wait though.
Agree with all that but FF needs pace also. I've not seen enough of him to see what he would be like off the lead but all other attributes are there for sure. Looks so much like Waite the way he stalks around the ground.
In regards to Liam Jones, I'd be training him to have a run off CHB and possibly trial Jaksch's in the forward line. The only place I can see Jones having any chance in the AFL.
Simply not a real alternative in the forward line.
Playing Jones as a key defender would be like going into a game with one player missing.
Playing Jones as a key defender would be like going into a game with one player missing.
we did that (x2) with Yazz and Hendo last year.....
play him back in the 2s and see how he goes....
we did that (x2) with Yazz and Hendo last year.....
play him back in the 2s and see how he goes....
All in favour of that. See how he goes with a few games for the NBs.
I think we can all agree (majority) that Jones = Fail
Sumner was taken at 10 in the 2011 draft - a bit more potential than "steak knives" EB1?
Still only 22.
Best AFL performance: Sumner’s energy and exhilaration was on show against Sydney in Round 1, 2013, where he collected a career-high 16 disposals, five tackles and two goals in a complete performance.
I think we can all agree (majority) that Jones = Fail
45% game time and 1 possession in a "B" game, ya think???
I've seen headless chooks that offer more direction than Liam "The Beast" Jones!
The sad thing is physically he is almost the perfect type for AFL, it's just he has too much lacking in too many other areas. At the weekend Jones was trying to do a Roughead, hurt opponents with tackling, but in that same amount of game time Roughead would normally take 4 or 5 marks and gather a dozen possessions.
Actually in his 1st season Roughead played very similar to the way Jones is playing in his 7th, Roughead has progressed Jones hasn't!
45% game time and 1 possession in a "B" game, ya think???
I've seen headless chooks than offer more direction than Liam "The Beast" Jones!
The sad thing is physically he is almost the perfect type for AFL, it's just he has too much lacking in too many other areas. At the weekend Jones was trying to do a Roughead, hurt opponents with tackling, but in the same amount of game time Roughead would normally take 4 or 5 marks and gather a dozen possessions. Actually in his 1st season Roughead played very similar to the way Jones is playing in his 7th!
In my opinion, the only chance he has of making it is to play him in the back half, following around an opposition forward.
In my opinion, the only chance he has of making it is to play him in the back half, following around an opposition forward.
But that's all he would do ::)
When Jones played his first game for us, the ABC had a recently retired Hawthorn player doing expert comments and he ran through Hawthorn's analysis of Jones and it wasn't flattering. Surely, if Hawthorn knew his limitations so well, we should have had doubts about his ability to get the footy.
In my opinion, the only chance he has of making it is to play him in the back half, following around an opposition forward.
GPS and Heart Rate numbers dont lie. He hasn't been able to build up a tank thus far. Until he does, he may look like a perfect specimen but he will be far from it. Roughy can go all day, Jones just cant go.
I cannot wait for Jones to be off our list, he's hindering Fosters development.
Love to see the scouting report that we acted on to sign Jones , who ever did it certainly had an off day .
I cannot wait for Jones to be off our list, he's hindering Fosters development.
x 2
Love to see the scouting report that we acted on to sign Jones , who ever did it certainly had an off day .
I don't think we would have taken Jones if it wasn't for Waite going, more a move to cover a hole than a targeted poach but it was a dud move as he'll sit on our list for a total of 3 years.
Love to see the scouting report that we acted on to sign Jones , who ever did it certainly had an off day .
Mick is great mates with Jones' dad.
I don't think we would have taken Jones if it wasn't for Waite going, more a move to cover a hole than a targeted poach but it was a dud move as he'll sit on our list for a total of 3 years.
It would have been better to give Waite his two years. We'd have a competitive, if erratic, key forward this season while the young blokes develop.
Love to see the scouting report that we acted on to sign Jones , who ever did it certainly had an off day .
Probably played well against us...that used to be our recruiting criteria in years gone by...
Love to see the scouting report that we acted on to sign Jones , who ever did it certainly had an off day .
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-10-17/2014-trade-wrap
The master of disaster had been watching Jones since he was 17.
GPS and Heart Rate numbers dont lie. He hasn't been able to build up a tank thus far. Until he does, he may look like a perfect specimen but he will be far from it. Roughy can go all day, Jones just cant go.
I didn't know that he had poor endurance
Mick is great mates with Jones' dad.
Is that so Carrots?
FMD!! Geez I feel for Ratts when I read this sort of stuff.
Is that so Carrots?
FMD!! Geez I feel for Ratts when I read this sort of stuff.
Yeah there was an article at some stage last year on it and it all of a sudden made sense re the ridiculous hype and leg up Mick gave him. I'll try and dig it up when I get home from work.
Rather disturbing info re Mick's connection & Jones Dad then, if that was a key reason why he is here. But surely there must have been other eyes on him & reports that others might have said no to?
Agree with DJC would rather have given Waite 2 yrs instead of that plonker
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-10-16/blues-secure-jones
“Liam has been on our radar for a while, securing both him and Kristian, as key position players, has been a priority for us during this trade period.
That was stated by Andrew Mckay.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-10-17/2014-trade-wrap
If you watch the video on this link, Shane Rogers mentions Liam Jones as a young tacker.
I get the idea that he has been on our radar much longer than Mick had been at the club and even so, the thought process was sound even if it hasn't worked. We picked up a 197 cm, forward where our club had not many options before.
He might be rubbish, but if he lets Mckay develope properly by not having to rush him into AFL footy without being ready, then its not all wasted effort.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2014-10-17/2014-trade-wrap
The master of disaster had been watching Jones since he was 17.
The guy the bulldogs picked up with the pick we traded played more games than Jones. >:(
the thought process was sound even if it hasn't worked. We picked up a 197 cm, forward where our club had not many options before.
The thought process was short sighted and has cost us. Not what I call sound unless you consider "he's better than nothing" sound.
The guy the bulldogs picked up with the pick we traded played more games than Jones. >:(
Caleb Daniel is not a bad player, but what use was a 167cm player to Carlton last year?
Caleb Daniel is not a bad player, but what use was a 167cm player to Carlton last year?
He would have kicked more goals than Jones. Not that that would have been a great effort, but...
Be that as it may, he is a fish who got away. I am looking forward to Jones' replacement. Our list may not be premiership material yet, but another bunch of duds out and a group of talented youngsters in and we will have a lot more smiles.
He would have kicked more goals than Jones. Not that that would have been a great effort, but...
Be that as it may, he is a fish who got away. I am looking forward to Jones' replacement. Our list may not be premiership material yet, but another bunch of duds out and a group of talented youngsters in and we will have a lot more smiles.
Looking for a small forward or half forward we chose Menzel, are you saying we should have have taken Daniel instead because Daniel wasn't an option for the marking tall forward role!
The thought process was short sighted and has cost us. Not what I call sound unless you consider "he's better than nothing" sound.
it was a gamble that hasn't paid off.
Given Henderson also jumped ship at least it means we have a banana that will allow us to develop key position players rather than throwing them to the wolves.
Short sighted, that has hurt us is more the daisy situation. This isn't the same. We have no idea how this draft pick would have gone but glittering examples of Tom Temay and Josh Boots were the more likely results.
it was a gamble that hasn't paid off.
Given Henderson also jumped ship at least it means we have a banana that will allow us to develop key position players rather than throwing them to the wolves.
Short sighted, that has hurt us is more the daisy situation. This isn't the same. We have no idea how this draft pick would have gone but glittering examples of Tom Temay and Josh Boots were the more likely results.
I'm not sure how it helps Thry. In fact, having Jones on the list means that the young blokes will be asked to step up before they're ready. We really can't go in to a game with Jones in the 22 - unless we're tanking.
It would have been better to give Waite his two years. We'd have a competitive, if erratic, key forward this season while the young blokes develop.
Waite would only take up a spot in the senior side, we won't be challenging before he hangs up the boots.
At least Jones won't be keeping a youngster in the VFL.
What's Setanta up to?
The guy the bulldogs picked up with the pick we traded played more games than Jones. >:(
Thanks for that, now I will have more nightmares tonight.
I'm not sure how it helps Thry. In fact, having Jones on the list means that the young blokes will be asked to step up before they're ready. We really can't go in to a game with Jones in the 22 - unless we're tanking.
It helps. I'd rather our young players learn their role whilst Liam gets punched in the back of the head rather than them getting the number one defender.
I'm not holding onto hopes of him coming good, as it's pretty slim but he still has time enough to improve and become a decent player. Again like Simon white his presence helps us more for allowing us to develop youngsters without shattering their confidence.
The guy the bulldogs picked up with the pick we traded played more games than Jones. >:(
I like Redpath from the Dogs, kept Boyd out of the team and is built like a double brick dunny..not sure if he is the player you are talking about?
I like Redpath from the Dogs, kept Boyd out of the team and is built like a double brick dunny..not sure if he is the player you are talking about?
Caleb Daniel is the player eb.
Caleb Daniel is the player eb.
Thanks Thry..I should have figured that from the previous posts, been a long hot day :-[....still like Redpath and of course Crash's man Caleb D was always going to be a controversial selection.
I'm a Daniel fan and like Crash reckon he can make it and we should have been more interested....you need cult figures at your club who can play and given his form in the U18 carnival
he warranted better than pick 46 IMO...
Kieran Lovell is another small player who starred at the championships for Tassie and was picked up by the Hawks...Daniel and Lovell succeeding might see a rethink about smaller players and their value...
It helps. I'd rather our young players learn their role whilst Liam gets punched in the back of the head rather than them getting the number one defender.
I'm not holding onto hopes of him coming good, as it's pretty slim but he still has time enough to improve and become a decent player. Again like Simon white his presence helps us more for allowing us to develop youngsters without shattering their confidence.
He has to get a game for that to happen and, if he can't get the ball, he won't get a game.
If he did jag a game, there's no way the opposition would put their best defender on him. The third banana would be overkill ::)
Yep, the 9 games he was gifted last year will be it for his time at Carlton
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-24/transformers-which-players-have-changed-their-body-shape-over-summer (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-24/transformers-which-players-have-changed-their-body-shape-over-summer)
Levi Casboult has dropped 3kg over the pre-season and is in much better shape to cope with the demands of a modern-day key forward who can take the occasional turn in the ruck. When he arrived at Carlton as a rookie in 2010 he was 103kg and last year he was officially listed as 105kg. Casboult displayed his new-look physique in the Blues’ opening NAB Challenge game against Hawthorn last Thursday. As was the case with most of his teammates last season Casboult was unable to run out games, and while it is early days he impressed with his ability to have an impact on more contests. Casboult, who missed the last four games of 2015 after injuring the posterior cruciate ligament in his right knee, has enjoyed the new training regime at Carlton this season, with an emphasis on intensity and high-speed running. – Howard Kotton
- See more at: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-24/transformers-which-players-have-changed-their-body-shape-over-summer#sthash.5f2qUWaL.dpuf
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-24/transformers-which-players-have-changed-their-body-shape-over-summer (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-24/transformers-which-players-have-changed-their-body-shape-over-summer)
This sounds like Levi's really stepped up in terms of physical development and commitment. If it translates to better running, combined with solid marking, improved kicking (and entry), we could have a power forward on our hands this year. I'm keen to see how Foster is developing too. We soooo need to fill this gap whilst we wait for the young guys
I don't want to necessarily go over old territory, but I seem to recall people were suggesting that Casboult had a ripping pre season last year.
Sounds like he has increased muscle mass and decreased weight which tells us that this was false information at best.
Perhaps we were just massively under done in season 2015 and had the result accordingly.
I don't want to necessarily go over old territory, but I seem to recall people were suggesting that Casboult had a ripping pre season last year.
Sounds like he has increased muscle mass and decreased weight which tells us that this was false information at best.
Perhaps we were just massively under done in season 2015 and had the result accordingly.
Maybe he had 2 great preseasons? You're right in that Butterface was a dud for us though
Casboult has had a restricted pre-season because of his PCL injury and it was noticeable that he ran out of puff against the Hawks (as did most of our blokes).
A player's ideal weight is determined by the fitness staff and we have seen fluctuations in weight over several seasons. Our fitness staff seem to have decided that players should be lighter and Bolton's zero tolerance of bad skin folds has probably contributed to lighter playing weights as well.
Casboult being 3kg lighter does not mean that he is fitter or has worked harder than last pre-season. It just means that he is marginally lighter and that may have little or no impact on his endurance, strength or dodgy knee.
Casboult has had a restricted pre-season because of his PCL injury and it was noticeable that he ran out of puff against the Hawks (as did most of our blokes).
A player's ideal weight is determined by the fitness staff and we have seen fluctuations in weight over several seasons. Our fitness staff seem to have decided that players should be lighter and Bolton's zero tolerance of bad skin folds has probably contributed to lighter playing weights as well.
Casboult being 3kg lighter does not mean that he is fitter or has worked harder than last pre-season. It just means that he is marginally lighter and that may have little or no impact on his endurance, strength or dodgy knee.
I'll be happy id he kicks 6 in the first half then peters out.....!! ;)
Would that be in every match Flyboy? ;)
Would that be in every match Flyboy? ;)
maybe just 15 of the 23 (?) H & A games. Oh, in the GF too!
maybe just 15 of the 23 (?) H & A games. Oh, in the GF too!
As long as he kicks six in the second half of the other eight games ;)
Now, where were we on having a Power Forward.
At the moment I would be happy with a forward line. ::) Anything, Something!
Yesterday we had nothing to kick to when we got the ball and at one stage when we broke fast out of the back line the Scum were able to get three defenders back befroe any of our forwards got close to the 50.
We then turned the ball over, they kicked it long into their 50 to an awaiting player who was on his own. Where the Feck were our players?
Tooo many turn overs by just bombing it long into the fwd 50.
Who is our forward coach? Either he is being shafted by the backs and midfield coaches or he has been told not to get too worried about coming up with a plan. :o
No structure, no idea. We must be so easy to read and defend ::)
We are going to struggle to score big time this year.
Personally, I don't mind.
You cannot make the mistakes we have made over the last 10-15 years and expect instant success.
Silvagni said a 36 month rebuild and I believe that's conservative.
We need to nurture and develop our own, and bring them through ass a group, over 3 or 4 years.
If we had a power forward and an Eddie Betts we may just win 6-8 games but can we really afford to?
I think we need another 2 years of three or four top 20 picks.
That means we need to go back and trade again this year.
I would suggest Murphy and Gibbs will be moved on, as might a few others if we can get value.
Temptation is to play Harry McKay in the next NAB game with the view of playing him Rnd 1......thats probably on the basis that Jones, Gorringe or any other fill ins have shown nothing.....
Do we want to give Harry plenty of early experience or will it just knock him about.?...I reckon BB wont want to play him and will go one of his ruckman at CHF with Casboult at FF.....Gorringe is probably the player we would play at CHF IMO and wil also have a run on the ball with Casboult doing less ruckwork and staying at FF.
Dont see who ever we play at CHF expected to kick many goals but whose job will more to provide a marking contest and get the ball down to the smaller/mid sized players...
Now, where were we on having a Power Forward.
At the moment I would be happy with a forward line. ::) Anything, Something!
Yesterday we had nothing to kick to when we got the ball and at one stage when we broke fast out of the back line the Scum were able to get three defenders back befroe any of our forwards got close to the 50.
We then turned the ball over, they kicked it long into their 50 to an awaiting player who was on his own. Where the Feck were our players?
Tooo many turn overs by just bombing it long into the fwd 50.
Who is our forward coach? Either he is being shafted by the backs and midfield coaches or he has been told not to get too worried about coming up with a plan. :o
No structure, no idea. We must be so easy to read and defend ::)
Could not possibly summarise that any better Phantom coloured Blue......our forward line is an unmitigated mess, non-existent & there's not another team in the AFL who can even come close to 'boasting' the forward structure we've got.
Casboult ran himself into the ground in the first 10 mins of the game yesterday & I said to my mate "That'll be it for today, he'll be too buggered for the rest of it".......and that's exactly what eventuated for the half he played.
*sigh*.......
Temptation is to play Harry McKay in the next NAB game with the view of playing him Rnd 1......thats probably on the basis that Jones, Gorringe or any other fill ins have shown nothing.....
Do we want to give Harry plenty of early experience or will it just knock him about.?...I reckon BB wont want to play him and will go one of his ruckman at CHF with Casboult at FF.....Gorringe is probably the player we would play at CHF IMO and wil also have a run on the ball with Casboult doing less ruckwork and staying at FF.
Dont see who ever we play at CHF expected to kick many goals but whose job will more to provide a marking contest and get the ball down to the smaller/mid sized players...
Agree. I think, Krooz, Gorringe and Casboult will be the three. Leave Casboult and home and rotate the others. However Mckay already looks to be ahead of Gorringe and will no doubt play this year. Jones is finished, just cannnot find a way to get involved in the game.
Jones is finished, just cannnot find a way to get involved in the game.
I watched Jones pretty closely in the first quarter. I'm pretty sure he thinks he's playing a game of cricket, fielding at long on.
I watched Jones pretty closely in the first quarter. I'm pretty sure he thinks he's playing a game of cricket, fielding at long on.
It must be the sunny days that has him confused? ;)
Jones' work ethic & attack on the footy/player with the footy is actually pretty good and reminded me of how Aaron Hamill used to play.....only problem is he simply cannot get his hands on the footy for the life of him and that's the killer......
Jones' work ethic & attack on the footy/player with the footy is actually pretty good and reminded me of how Aaron Hamill used to play.....only problem is he simply cannot get his hands on the footy for the life of him and that's the killer......
Exactly!
He reminded me of a human pinball the way he was crashing into opponents but he seems to have no idea about getting to where the ball is heading. If he does get to a marking contest, hard hands means that he's most likely to spill it.
Exactly!
He reminded me of a human pinball the way he was crashing into opponents but he seems to have no idea about getting to where the ball is heading. If he does get to a marking contest, hard hands means that he's most likely so spill it.
We all agree, simply a pity the intent leads to nothing.
Jaksch must be played up forward, he looked ok in the NBs last year when tried there, albeit for limited periods.
McKay will be in the F50 for the next decade if we can keep hold of him. He showed more in a few chaotic minutes than most of our forwards have shown since Fev left!
Not sure SOSOS will make it unless they can work on his pace, and Cripps has proven that can be changed. SOSOS looked slowish, but I concede that can also be a result of slow decision making. Point of contrast, Weitering is not super fast but never looked slow and he already has an AFL body. But skinny kids who look slow are really starting behind the eight ball, because they need bulk which is almost anathema to adding pace.
The most encouraging thing about Weitering for me on Sun is that he looked like he had always got time and he always looked composed. He'll be very important to us not only as a player but as a leader and role model in future years.
Jones' work ethic & attack on the footy/player with the footy is actually pretty good and reminded me of how Aaron Hamill used to play.....only problem is he simply cannot get his hands on the footy for the life of him and that's the killer......
poor bloke. maybe something will just click one day and he'll become useful?
You never know.....
Could not possibly summarise that any better Phantom coloured Blue......our forward line is an unmitigated mess, non-existent & there's not another team in the AFL who can even come close to 'boasting' the forward structure we've got.
Casboult ran himself into the ground in the first 10 mins of the game yesterday & I said to my mate "That'll be it for today, he'll be too buggered for the rest of it".......and that's exactly what eventuated for the half he played.
*sigh*.......
Casboult did have a late start to the pre-season and they are managing his workload.
Temptation is to play Harry McKay in the next NAB game with the view of playing him Rnd 1......thats probably on the basis that Jones, Gorringe or any other fill ins have shown nothing.....
Do we want to give Harry plenty of early experience or will it just knock him about.?...I reckon BB wont want to play him and will go one of his ruckman at CHF with Casboult at FF.....Gorringe is probably the player we would play at CHF IMO and wil also have a run on the ball with Casboult doing less ruckwork and staying at FF.
Dont see who ever we play at CHF expected to kick many goals but whose job will more to provide a marking contest and get the ball down to the smaller/mid sized players...
Jaksch been injured as we haven't seen him in either game? I'd prefer moving him into a key forward post and developing him there. With the lower interchange numbers I'd like Casboult to do some ruck with Kreuzer. Don't really want two ruckmen on the ground, as none of them can rest forward, hence that's where Casboult is handy. We have too many ruckman. Kreuzer, Wood, Phillips would've been enough with help from Caboult. Wood's better than both Phillips and Gorringe. Didn't need the latter.
You need 2 on slow burn. That's why the extras are there, otherwise you end up paying a 30+ year old ruck over a million per year like freo.
Jaksch been injured as we haven't seen him in either game? I'd prefer moving him into a key forward post and developing him there. With the lower interchange numbers I'd like Casboult to do some ruck with Kreuzer. Don't really want two ruckmen on the ground, as none of them can rest forward, hence that's where Casboult is handy. We have too many ruckman. Kreuzer, Wood, Phillips would've been enough with help from Caboult. Wood's better than both Phillips and Gorringe. Didn't need the latter.
Agree - the new interchange rule pretty much mandates a Ruck plus a Forward/Ruck. I think the club has another role in mind for Gorringe at least besides being a ruckman. Not sure he'll be any good for anything though at this stage.
McKay will be in the F50 for the next decade if we can keep hold of him. He showed more in a few chaotic minutes than most of our forwards have shown since Fev left!
Not sure SOSOS will make it unless they can work on his pace, and Cripps has proven that can be changed. SOSOS looked slowish, but I concede that can also be a result of slow decision making. Point of contrast, Weitering is not super fast but never looked slow and he already has an AFL body. But skinny kids who look slow are really starting behind the eight ball, because they need bulk which is almost anathema to adding pace.
Jack was involved in a few passages of play just in front of me in the last quarter and he gave the impression of having plenty of time. He seems to one of those players with good balance, very good awareness and the ability to make good decisions. I wasn't convinced that he would make it but a footballer with time to execute in today's game has to do well.
Weitering coughed the ball before I had worked out who he was. I was quite surprised that such an accomplished looking player made such a clanger and then I realised it was his first game. Apart from that, he looked very much at home.
I thought this thread was about Charlie Dixon...
Our forwards dont lead.
There was a moment in second 1/4 yesterday Graham got a scrubby clearance (which is fine by the way) but there were 4 bombers camped underneath it.... 4. Not one Blues player. This was 5 seconds after a Centre Bounce?
Where did they go? What were they thinking? Surely 30m directly in Front is a place I would be starting as a Full Forward or CHF???
I wish i could get the footage to show...
I remember that moment shadesy and felt your frustration.
If you even have a half traditional forward set up to anticipate the quick clearance you can at worst break even in a 50/50 contest and have the ball sit in your forward 50.
Graham won a few clearances like this, kicked the ball in quickly given he had limited time and space but because everyone cleared out of the forward line, the ball just bounced right back.
My view is if you know that you will win more centre clearances than not, you need to keep forwards in the the 50 metre arc.
Geez the 2015 stats say that even though we were crap we were still 3rd in the comp for clearances.
Clearly we can get the ball, we just dont take advantage of it when we have it.
I thought this thread was about Charlie Dixon...
Our forwards dont lead.
There was a moment in second 1/4 yesterday Graham got a scrubby clearance (which is fine by the way) but there were 4 bombers camped underneath it.... 4. Not one Blues player. This was 5 seconds after a Centre Bounce?
Where did they go? What were they thinking? Surely 30m directly in Front is a place I would be starting as a Full Forward or CHF???
I wish i could get the footage to show...
Who knows.
Everitt seemed to be in the backline all day.
Footage is pointless unless we know what the objectives are. It looked to me as though we may have been focusing on our work out of defence as that's seemed our strongest group personnel wise.
In McKay's interview after the game he said his instructions were something like "just run around, have a bit of fun and see if you can get a kick"
I thought this thread was about Charlie Dixon...
Our forwards dont lead.
There was a moment in second 1/4 yesterday Graham got a scrubby clearance (which is fine by the way) but there were 4 bombers camped underneath it.... 4. Not one Blues player. This was 5 seconds after a Centre Bounce?
Where did they go? What were they thinking? Surely 30m directly in Front is a place I would be starting as a Full Forward or CHF???
I wish i could get the footage to show...
Shadesy, but didn't the Bummers field 32 players in yesterday's game! :))
Seriously I know what you're talking about, we remarked on it during the game.
Who knows.
Everitt seemed to be in the backline all day.
Footage is pointless unless we know what the objectives are. It looked to me as though we may have been focusing on our work out of defence as that's seemed our strongest group personnel wise.
In McKay's interview after the game he said his instructions were something like "just run around, have a bit of fun and see if you can get a kick"
That's what my coach used to say to me. :)
That's what my coach used to say to me. :)
Mine used to say "just try and stop the guy your on and if you end up with the footy give it to one of the good players" ;D
An extremely rare moment in AFL football recently captured! This exclusive photo showing Liam Jones with ball in hands.............
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Liam+Jones+-uFSZ6QGPFPm.jpg)
An extremely rare moment in AFL football recently captured! This exclusive photo showing Liam Jones with ball in hands.............
(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Liam+Jones+-uFSZ6QGPFPm.jpg)
It could be a scurrilous rumour but I've heard that Mick handed him the ball ;)
It could be a scurrilous rumour but I've heard that Mick handed him the ball ;)
:))
And as he did he said "And when you wake up Liam, you will remember nothing!"
Jaksch must be played up forward, he looked ok in the NBs last year when tried there, albeit for limited periods.
Agree...Jaksch would be my choice as he is a more polished player than the others but needs to get fit and get a run of games to build some form.
Not sure what is going on with Foster...he cant be anyworse than Jones...
It could be a scurrilous rumour but I've heard that Mick handed him the ball ;)
Photoshopped...
Photoshopped...
Cynic! :)) ;)
I guess you're right though - the only marks we're likely to see from him are of the "skid" variety..... :(
Exactly!
He reminded me of a human pinball the way he was crashing into opponents but he seems to have no idea about getting to where the ball is heading. If he does get to a marking contest, hard hands means that he's most likely to spill it.
Cant see the pill..... Only the big targets..... I'd be getting my eyes tested 8)
I feel for Jones. Look MM has set him up financially, but he has also screwed him big time in the respectability stakes. His career is a train wreck that still has 12 months to thrash out and the media will be brutal. The kid deserved a rookie spot at best following his departure from the dogs but he's sunken to new lows that bring harsh criticism. Please call Lifeline on 13 11 14. If you or someone you know is in danger or needs immediate medical attention, please call 000. These services are available 24/7
That's what you do right?
Mick looked after a lot of his boys.....Jones, Daisy, thank fork he didn't succeed in getting Travis Cloke over!
Mick looked after a lot of his boys.....Jones, Daisy, thank fork he didn't succeed in getting Travis Cloke over!
Good God I just vomitted in my mouth!
Good God I just vomitted in my mouth!
I know huh? Dodged a bullet there. ;D
Yep Daisy and Cloke both holidaying on our list at 750k for 5 years each(Cloke in reality would have cost more) would have been too much to handle... :(
I know huh? Dodged a bullet there. ;D
More like a canon ball.
http://www.sen.com.au/news/02-16/mooney-backs-casboult-for-a-big-year#ukOmyJOzz2KflWiR.97 (http://www.sen.com.au/news/02-16/mooney-backs-casboult-for-a-big-year#ukOmyJOzz2KflWiR.97)
http://www.sen.com.au/news/02-16/mooney-backs-casboult-for-a-big-year#ukOmyJOzz2KflWiR.97 (http://www.sen.com.au/news/02-16/mooney-backs-casboult-for-a-big-year#ukOmyJOzz2KflWiR.97)
He said that about Jones last year! ::)
He said that about Jones last year! ::)
No he didn't!
Mooney actually said that Jones may do OK as a third tall playing alongside Casboult and Henderson. He implied that Jones doesn't have the ability to be a key forward.
Of course, I could be missing some secret message concealed within Mooney's statement ;)
I vaguely recall Mooney commenting that he thought the drafting of Jones and Tutt was an "interesting" (i.e crap) decision.
Mooney said Jones has no tank and can only play in bursts and doubted he could make it as a league player...this is the same bloke who mentored Jones at the Dogs
who is saying he wont make it.....pity we didnt chat to Mooney before Rogers traded for him...
Mooney said Jones has no tank and can only play in bursts and doubted he could make it as a league player...this is the same bloke who mentored Jones at the Dogs
who is saying he wont make it.....pity we didnt chat to Mooney before Rogers traded for him...
Mooney isn't Robinson Crusoe. Barry Hall, who was Jones' training partner, said much the same, as did Hawthorn's opposition analysis dossier. It really was an inexplicable decision. However, it seems that mad Mick had more say in it than random Rogers.
Mooney said Jones has no tank and can only play in bursts and doubted he could make it as a league player...this is the same bloke who mentored Jones at the Dogs
who is saying he wont make it.....pity we didnt chat to Mooney before Rogers traded for him...
It wouldn't have helped because that wasn't what Mooney was saying at the time on SEN, he pumped up Jones tyres live on SEN in an afternoon segment. It was Mooney's advocacy in his role as Jones former KP coach that convinced me Jones was worth a go! If Mooney is saying the opposite he must be reversing over his own errors.
DJC is correct, there were conditions and qualifications put on Mooney's assessment of Jones, but he was so wrong how could anyone take Mooney's judgement on other players seriously?
Well let Mooney pay for Jones' contract , anything to get out of it
my concern is not the power fwd BUT the system in which we move the ball into the fwd line,for years all we seem to do is boot (bomb)that ball long for some1 to mark . (no system).I am hoping under BB this will change.
my concern is not the power fwd BUT the system in which we move the ball into the fwd line,for years all we seem to do is boot (bomb)that ball long for some1 to mark . (no system).I am hoping under BB this will change.
You and me both M1. We need to execute this important part of the game with FAR greater precision, never mind as to which power forwards we may or may not have.