Carlton Supporters Club

I'll fix up the name of the thread when the game is done is dusted. I'm hoping for a party.

Yes, the sort of party favoured by Stalinists and hard core Communists following the fall of the Berlin wall. 

You got your wish crash.

How screwing good was that :))

You got your wish crash.

Title about to change!

More to come, but Byrne is a keeper, Wright was tough, Jones did his bit and the captain wasn't bad with 12 staples in his head!!!

Always take the 4 points, but that was bloody awful. It's like they'd never played football in their lives.

Always take the 4 points, but that was bloody awful. It's like they'd never played football in their lives.

Skills may be ordinary (to be generous), but to get over the line against a team like Freo in Perth! Wunderbar!

How stupid would Taverner feel right now?  Trying to mark a ball that was within a cm of being a Freo goal ended up being the difference.  According to the commentators, he lost Freo a final by doing the same.

Skills may be ordinary (to be generous), but to get over the line against a team like Freo in Perth! Wunderbar!

Really ? There were skills ? Where ?

That's possibly the worst game of football I've ever seen, we have played horribly, and somehow won!

Amazing stuff.

You would have sworn the game was played in a monsoon.

Plenty of heart and guts in the performance, not a lot of skill.

Stand out for me was Byrne... made one howler, but he can play.

In a battle of losers we just lost by less. But for now we're not bottom of the ladder and talk of a winless season is gone.

I will never knock Liam Jones again..... for the next week or so.

Have there ever been that many players in the middle for a Gatorade shower ;D

That'll keep the wolves from the door for a while.  If we were winless going into the Rd 6 match against the drug cheats, the pressure and doubts would have been at a dangerous level.

Really ? There were skills ? Where ?

It's one of the worst games of football I've ever seen.  Frankly thought that's an indictment on Freo who have completely collapsed. Fyfe goes off and their done.

To the boys credit they put in for four quarters. They were intense and never, ever put their heads down.  Skills aside that's what I've been looking for!

Really ? There were skills ? Where ?

Can't argue too much with that.
However:
Goals: Thomas 3, Jones 2, Gibbs 1, Murphy, 1, Charlie Curnow 1, Lamb 1

Possessions:
Curnow 31 (!!!), Simpson 30, Cripps 30, Murphy 28, Kerridge 28, Gibbs 26, Wright 23, Byrne 19

Fremantle always play this restrictive type of football...yes, they were missing players but don't underestimate this effort.
We'd beat a lot of teams with this approach

Can't argue too much with that.
However:
Goals: Thomas 3, Jones 2, Gibbs 1, Murphy, 1, Charlie Curnow 1, Lamb 1

Possessions:
Curnow 31 (!!!), Simpson 30, Cripps 30, Murphy 28, Kerridge 28, Gibbs 26, Wright 23, Byrne 19

Good to see those guys getting among the goals. Good to see those other guys getting among the possies.

Nice didn't expect that.

Big goals from Murphy and Gibbs last quarter too.

Can't argue too much with that.
However:
Goals: Thomas 3, Jones 2, Gibbs 1, Murphy, 1, Charlie Curnow 1, Lamb 1

Possessions:
Curnow 31 (!!!), Simpson 30, Cripps 30, Murphy 28, Kerridge 28, Gibbs 26, Wright 23, Byrne 19

I think the stats people may have merged some of the Curnow records!

Just on this game, how bad is our decision making? Johnson is injured on one leg and one out with Carlton players deep in our F50 as we go sideways, multiple times!

A win is a win is a win. More green shoots for us the savour! A great effort. One thing's for sure, we may lack top end talent, but we have a go.

I dont care about skills or the attractiveness of the game. We have a win. The boys worked hard all pre-season, then another 4 weeks of losses, now they get some reward. Dont underestimate how this will fuel bonding between these new players and our future.

Go Baggers!

Ed must be close to leading the B&F I reckon.

Essendon, Collingwood and Port next 3 matches. You never know your luck.

How sweet that was! Done on pure guts and determination! We have a great foundation to build on IMO!

Loved the crowd singing loud and proud... Kudos for going people

I just want to make three comments now.

First of all, well done Liam Jones!  I never thought I would see Liam kick the winning goal but he did and his effort in the last quarter was telling.

Secondly, Marc Murphy's effort to run to Jones after the siren and congratulate him shows why he is our rightful captain.  His leadership throughout the game was exceptional but acknowledging Jones's efforts like that could well get the latter's career back on track.  The wankers who criticise Murph should crawl back into their burrows.

Finally, wasn't it great to see Bolton celebrating the win with the players?

GO BLUES 
 :D :D :D

Somehow that was simultaneously on of the worst and best games I've ever watched! Lucky its a public holiday tomorrow because I am not waking up sober - as per the title of the thread its party time!

Great win! Looking forward to watching a reply after walking to both the pubs nearby during the second quarter, only to have them explain they dont have foxtel!

Really significant to win in a place like perth. That is the stuff of turning points and genuine team bonding when the crowd is against you and their is the equivalent of a 5 goal breeze courtesy of the umpires. Well done blues!

You will enjoy the replay Vivian - could be the feel good comedy of the year.

Great win! Looking forward to watching a reply after walking to both the pubs nearby during the second quarter, only to have them explain they dont have foxtel!

Really significant to win in a place like perth. That is the stuff of turning points and genuine team bonding when the crowd is against you and their is the equivalent of a 5 goal breeze courtesy of the umpires. Well done blues!

Actually I think the crowd turned on their own team pretty early on.

I just want to make three comments now.

First of all, well done Liam Jones!  I never thought I would see Liam kick the winning goal but he did and his effort in the last quarter was telling.

Secondly, Marc Murphy's effort to run to Jones after the siren and congratulate him shows why he is our rightful captain.  His leadership throughout the game was exceptional but acknowledging Jones's efforts like that could well get the latter's career back on track.  The wankers who criticise Murph should crawl back into their burrows.

Finally, wasn't it great to see Bolton celebrating the win with the players?

GO BLUES 
 :D :D :D

X2

And aa a past critic of Gibbs I will acknowledge the important goal he kicked - his cool comes in handy sometimes!

Woooooooooooooo!

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You will enjoy the replay Vivian - could be the feel good comedy of the year.

Ha! It wont be pretty, so best i get the kids to bed and enjoy it in all its unskilled glory.

Happy for Jones. No matter where his career goes, he kicked a winning goal and that is worth a great deal.

Veale is uncontracted... Id through the sink at him to get him.  Gun.

Credit to Rowe tonight. Pav was always going to be a dangerous 'go to man' and Sam more than held his own. Mind you, Pav has gone 1 year too long?

I can't remember who it was, but someone said pre-game we'd lose by 10 goals. I thought to myself the way our 2 teams have been playing, 10 goals would just about win it. IT DID!

Extraordinary game. One of the worst i've ever seen.

Take the points and forget it ever happened.

Our first win comes on ANZAC weekend, for the 2nd year in a row.

Told you we were a sneaky chance.
Go Blues.

Liam Jones showed today you need balance and structure...he is no great player but he needs a man minding him and can be a target freeing Casboult up...
This one Kp Forward plus a resting ruckman idea will never work..
Lamb playing out of the square almost was another good forward move...creates a hard matchup at ground level...

One player who has really impressed me is Ciaran Byrne....brave, kicks the ball well and apart from the odd poor decision is a complete player and was my BOG..
Talk of Ed Curnow leading the B &F but Matt Wright would be up there with him......wins the hard ball, lays big tackles and that smother and collect to give Murphy a goal was
crucial...credit to Murphy..led well and put himself in after haviing that bad gash last week and that was a captains game today...

Sam Rowe...beat the Pav and the latter should have retired........

Daisy Thomas played his best game and used all the 750k worth of smarts we are paying him for to kick 3 valuable goals....

Ok we got the Dockers at their weakest with Fyfe, Sandilands, Mundy all out but its still a tough asl to win in the west and thats probably the best hard fought win we have had for years...really enjoyed the game and hope we can back up next week...

A win is a win is a win. More green shoots for us the savour! A great effort. One thing's for sure, we may lack top end talent, but we have a go.

Spot on Jofo. Ugly win but I would rather win ugly than put up with pi55 poor efforts of last year.

I just want to make three comments now.

First of all, well done Liam Jones!  I never thought I would see Liam kick the winning goal but he did and his effort in the last quarter was telling.

Secondly, Marc Murphy's effort to run to Jones after the siren and congratulate him shows why he is our rightful captain.  His leadership throughout the game was exceptional but acknowledging Jones's efforts like that could well get the latter's career back on track.  The wankers who criticise Murph should crawl back into their burrows.

Finally, wasn't it great to see Bolton celebrating the win with the players?

GO BLUES 
 :D :D :D

Yep. Spot on.

Despite everything, Freo are experts at winning games like that. Character building for our boys to win ugly. So glad for Jones that he eventually got reward for effort... with confidence, this fella just might grow.

My only negative was Meat failing to handball to Buckley to deliver a certain goal, very selfish... he should get a rocket for that.

Did I mention wooooooooo!

I can't remember who it was, but someone said pre-game we'd lose by 10 goals. I thought to myself the way our 2 teams have been playing, 10 goals would just about win it. IT DID!

Extraordinary game. One of the worst i've ever seen.

Take the points and forget it ever happened.

Our first win comes on ANZAC weekend, for the 2nd year in a row.

We win on ANZAC weekend in the darnest places...........New Zealand, Perth.

I don't know about anyone else, but watching Jones line up for that last goal was a real sphincter tightening experience.

Not forgetting this game in a hurry all the new boys celebrating when singing the song was special.

I don't know about anyone else, but watching Jones line up for that last goal was a real sphincter tightening experience.

I had to go out of the room could not watch

Was one of the worst games of AFL ever played but imagine if we'd lost. At least we can now enjoy 4 points.

Forget Jones's 2 goals... he was HOPELESS. So completely and utterly clueless about how to play as a tall forward. No idea how to lead, position or use his body. If those 2 goals keep him in the team I'll spew.

Dylan Buckley looks cooked. Certainly not a small forward at this point in time.

Rowe is okay when it is simple but when he gets turned around this get real jittery real quick.

Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps and Kreuzer need to find form. Disposal count might have looked ok but they are MILES off.

We won because they were bloody horrible. One of the great mysteries is how the implosion of freo has happened so quickly but they are done.

Ross Lyon has never had to play young players or build a list himself before. Doesn't look like he's much good at it.

You really seem to be enjoying the win Jeza.

Was one of the worst games of AFL ever played but imagine if we'd lost. At least we can now enjoy 4 points.

Forget Jones's 2 goals... he was HOPELESS. So completely and utterly clueless about how to play as a tall forward. No idea how to lead, position or use his body. If those 2 goals keep him in the team I'll spew.

Dylan Buckley looks cooked. Certainly not a small forward at this point in time.

Rowe is okay when it is simple but when he gets turned around this get real jittery real quick.

Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps and Kreuzer need to find form. Disposal count might have looked ok but they are MILES off.

We won because they were bloody horrible. One of the great mysteries is how the implosion of freo has happened so quickly but they are done.

Ross Lyon has never had to play young players or build a list himself before. Doesn't look like he's much good at it.

Actually, regarding Jones, they were the very things he did so well in the VFL last well. Led and used his body very well. Much different in the seniors admittedly but when the delivery is so poor it doesn't give one alot of hope. What it did do was allow Casboult to play up the ground, take a number of marks and get 16 touches, 6 more than Kreuzer and Phillips put together, and be some sort of influence. Good argument for Casboult being 2nd ruck.

We had a win, we won't get many and we know our shortcomings. I suggest you actually enjoy it when it happens.

I still can't really believe it, we had a red hot crack and never dropped our heads but our skills at times were as bad as ever, Freo has totally lost the plot.
If we'd drafted Ciaran Byrne with pick 10 or 12 in the national draft we'd be rapt, I always thought Zac Tuohy showed plenty but if anything Byrne is ahead of him at the same stage.
I thought Kreuzer was much better this week, Casboult actually had a good game but his kicking for goal is atrocious and his non handball to Buckley was inexplicable, Jones was a non event for most of the day but it was nice to see him have a big hand in the finish.
Rowe was very good, so were Wright and Kerridge.
Cripps, Murphy and Gibbs were all top notch and Thomas did what we pay him for, but some of the lesser lights also put in big ones which is what we need to see more of.
Forgot to mention Ed Curnow, apart from his usual suspect foot skills he played a great game.
Excellent to be off the bottom at least, go Blues and bring on the Bumblers!

Great win, but can I just say it would have been by a lot more if those friggin cheat umpires didn't pay and not pay the free kicks that significantly impact a game. Makes me sick

Byrne was bloody fantastic. Awesome game from him. Couple if mistakes but I couldn't care less. So much courage, speed, overhead marking was brilliant. He stuffed one up then immediately got the ball and took them on. Jamo would have been curled up in the foetal position rocking back and forth in his state of panicked mental implosion.

Byrne... couldn't give a stuff. Straight back into it charging through. The best mentality I've seen from a young Carlton player in years. Weit right there with him.

Byrne BOG.

Yep. Spot on.

Despite everything, Freo are experts at winning games like that. Character building for our boys to win ugly. So glad for Jones that he eventually got reward for effort... with confidence, this fella just might grow.

My only negative was Meat failing to handball to Buckley to deliver a certain goal, very selfish... he should get a rocket for that.

Casboult definitely thought about the handball but held it back . . . and you really have to slot the goal in that situation.  Apart from that brain fade, Casboult was an important contributor today.

Was one of the worst games of AFL ever played but imagine if we'd lost. At least we can now enjoy 4 points.

Forget Jones's 2 goals... he was HOPELESS. So completely and utterly clueless about how to play as a tall forward. No idea how to lead, position or use his body. If those 2 goals keep him in the team I'll spew.

Dylan Buckley looks cooked. Certainly not a small forward at this point in time.

Rowe is okay when it is simple but when he gets turned around this get real jittery real quick.

Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps and Kreuzer need to find form. Disposal count might have looked ok but they are MILES off.

We won because they were bloody horrible. One of the great mysteries is how the implosion of freo has happened so quickly but they are done.

Ross Lyon has never had to play young players or build a list himself before. Doesn't look like he's much good at it.

I must have watched a different game  :)

Was one of the worst games of AFL ever played but imagine if we'd lost. At least we can now enjoy 4 points.

Forget Jones's 2 goals... he was HOPELESS. So completely and utterly clueless about how to play as a tall forward. No idea how to lead, position or use his body. If those 2 goals keep him in the team I'll spew.

Dylan Buckley looks cooked. Certainly not a small forward at this point in time.

Rowe is okay when it is simple but when he gets turned around this get real jittery real quick.

Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps and Kreuzer need to find form. Disposal count might have looked ok but they are MILES off.

We won because they were bloody horrible. One of the great mysteries is how the implosion of freo has happened so quickly but they are done.

Ross Lyon has never had to play young players or build a list himself before. Doesn't look like he's much good at it.

Fair go, enjoy the win.

Jones kicked 2 goals when the pressure was on, if it was Levi every chance he would have missed.

Murphy ran his guts out ans gets knocked around without any protection from the umps and Cripps has players grabbing him and jumping in his back all the time and they still got good numbers.

We lack forwards that know how to lead at the ball hence our high turnover rate across our forward line.

Enjoy the win jeza, they will be few and far between

I'm shocked! Happy for the boys and for Murph who I think tries his guts out week after week... Hopefully this will start to give them some confidence! Go Blues!!!

You really seem to be enjoying the win Jeza.

Good point... lets find a positive... Lachie Neale is out of contract. Can we push Dale Thomas in front of a fast moving train and spend his money on Neale?

Plowman quiet but looks a quality player. Weit is all class. Docherty had one of his poorer games but was still pretty good. A good sign.

Love Byrne.

Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer and Cripps got a bit of the ball. Hopefully use that as a foundation for a better performance next week.

Final positive- let's hope Ross's drop loose blokes behind the ball and use auskick tactics to have a crowd follow the ball contributed to the scrappiness and we straighten up next week.

Was one of the worst games of AFL ever played but imagine if we'd lost. At least we can now enjoy 4 points.

Forget Jones's 2 goals... he was HOPELESS. So completely and utterly clueless about how to play as a tall forward. No idea how to lead, position or use his body. If those 2 goals keep him in the team I'll spew.

Dylan Buckley looks cooked. Certainly not a small forward at this point in time.

Rowe is okay when it is simple but when he gets turned around this get real jittery real quick.

Murphy, Gibbs, Cripps and Kreuzer need to find form. Disposal count might have looked ok but they are MILES off.

We won because they were bloody horrible. One of the great mysteries is how the implosion of freo has happened so quickly but they are done.

Ross Lyon has never had to play young players or build a list himself before. Doesn't look like he's much good at it.

Jones will play next week for two reasons.  He allows Casboult to play up the ground, which is where Levi should be playing.  And he kicked two goals when it counted.  Does this mean he will be a champion.  No,  In fact I expect him to play a stinker against the Dons.  But he deserves a second game.

Gibbs kicked that goal, but he also gave a number up.  His weakness in the contest is frustrating.  Cripps, though, we astonishing, his handballs in traffic were actually to good for his teammates they were so slick.  Murph put in 100%.  Still don't rate him as a captain, but his effort was fantastic today.

Good point... lets find a positive... Lachie Neale is out of contract. Can we push Dale Thomas in front of a fast moving train and spend his money on Neale?

Plowman quiet but looks a quality player. Weit is all class. Docherty had one of his poorer games but was still pretty good. A good sign.

Love Byrne.

Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer and Cripps got a bit of the ball. Hopefully use that as a foundation for a better performance next week.

Final positive- let's hope Ross's drop loose blokes behind the ball and use auskick tactics to have a crowd follow the ball contributed to the scrappiness and we straighten up next week.

Don't need to kill Thomas.  We've got plenty of room in our cap, apparently.

Good point... lets find a positive... Lachie Neale is out of contract. Can we push Dale Thomas in front of a fast moving train and spend his money on Neale?

Plowman quiet but looks a quality player. Weit is all class. Docherty had one of his poorer games but was still pretty good. A good sign.

Love Byrne.

Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer and Cripps got a bit of the ball. Hopefully use that as a foundation for a better performance next week.

Final positive- let's hope Ross's drop loose blokes behind the ball and use auskick tactics to have a crowd follow the ball contributed to the scrappiness and we straighten up next week.

I only got to watch the first 3/4, but we must have genuinely been watching the different game. I thought Docherty was pure effort and sacrifice all day, might have him among the best on the first 3/4.

Not a great game for skills and finesse, so Murphy and Gibbs get a big tick for never giving up as I call them players who normally don't suit the type of game we had today. An error riddled wrestle across the line.

Kreuzer really got us off to a great start in the ruck, looked up 300% on his first few weeks.

As for next week, not sure EFC have the cattle to try that type of game, I'm expecting a shoot-out and they rely on the skills of the re-treads.

Hopefully we are injury free, noticed Murphy had a bit of a hobble up, heard on the radio Weiters might have an injury late in the game.

We've leapt up the ladder. Gone from pick 1 to pick 4...lol.

Suppose when you have a percentage of bugger all a 4 pts win is a big percentage booster...lol.

Sumner really impressed me.  His trapping of the ball in the last that led to Murphs goal was one of the more skilful acts in the whole game.

Matty Wright was terrific in and under.  I can see why the Crows ditched him but I'm glad we picked him up.

Hopefully we are injury free, noticed Murphy had a bit of a hobble up, heard on the radio Weiters might have an injury late in the game.

It might be time to give Weitering a rest? We don't want to wreck him so early in his career. We have Jamieson available for next week.

Nice to see Bolts keeping it in perspective after the game, sowing a few more seeds, praised some of the old guys, was a bit reserved regarding Jones not going OTT.

Small steps.

It might be time to give Weitering a rest? We don't want to wreck him so early in his career. We have Jamieson available for next week.

As much as I love watching him play, I wholeheartedly agree.

It might be time to give Weitering a rest? We don't want to wreck him so early in his career. We have Jamieson available for next week.

Could be onto something there, planning for his career not the next game.

I'd heard Jammo limped off the ground in the last Qtr at Preston. But 1AW might be back, Armfield is played two good games in a row and Jaksch was serviceable at both ends. Although any player would want to get hold of EFC next week on a six day break after they and Collingwood hopefully smash the hell out of each other tomorrow.

As much as I love watching him play, I wholeheartedly agree.

Weitering is the main reason we're keeping teams below 100.  I can understand the desire to rest him but I'd like to see him make it to the bye.  Charlie C is growing in confidence in every game.  Love him.

Could be onto something there, planning for his career not the next game.

I'd heard Jammo limped off the ground in the last Qtr at Preston. But 1AW might be back, Armfield is played two good games in a row and Jaksch was serviceable at both ends. Although any player would want to get hold of EFC next week on a six day break after they and Collingwood hopefully smash the hell out of each other tomorrow.

If that's the case, Jaksch or maybe Glass  McKasker ca get a call-up?

Wow Jeza....

I am not Liam Jones biggest fan, but he worked really hard today, got himself in good positions only to be missed by foot or overlooked. lamb beat Pearce one on one for a great goal but Liam had made a really good lead and should gave bee spotted up.

His two goals were reward for effort and we looked better with a few targets.

Of all the goddam weekends to not have any TV coverage of the match .......  >:D

In regards to the result ......... how the **** did that happen anyway ??  :o

Freo are a complete rabble right now and the recent resigning of Lyon till 2020 is a massive administrative blunder. If that was any other coach, he'd be sacked this week for sure.

Great result for Bolton who clearly has worked tirelessly on building spirit and respect for each other amongst the playing group. Wins will be like hens teeth this year but if you keep going at it hard week after week, you just never know what might happen.

If that's the case, Jaksch or maybe Glass  McKasker ca get a call-up?

Keep it real! He's a mile off!

Just home from the game.

Terrific win. Yes ugly footy but it was high pressure all day.
It was like the tropics there today, ball was like a cake of soap late in the game.

We out worked them and the mistakes came from pressure. It was not the footy we've seen all season from other teams and that's because we chose to make it a battle.

The guys that went out today can be justifiably proud G the effort they put in.

Of all the goddam weekends to not have any TV coverage of the match .......  >:D

I had to listen to the radio too. Those interstate broadcasters give very biased commentary.

I had to listen to the radio too. Those interstate broadcasters give very biased commentary.

All the interstate commentators are biased.  You'd never believe there was another team out there.

All the interstate commentators are biased.  You'd never believe there was another team out there.

I didn't think the ABC radio commentators were all that bad rbh.

Actually, regarding Jones, they were the very things he did so well in the VFL last well. Led and used his body very well. Much different in the seniors admittedly but when the delivery is so poor it doesn't give one alot of hope. What it did do was allow Casboult to play up the ground, take a number of marks and get 16 touches, 6 more than Kreuzer and Phillips put together, and be some sort of influence. Good argument for Casboult being 2nd ruck.

We had a win, we won't get many and we know our shortcomings. I suggest you actually enjoy it when it happens.

x2....Said the same before that Casboult gave us more up the ground and was even presenting on the wing taking marks, and being brutal Jones is a better kick for goal than Levi and
we looked better with Jones taking the traffic with him to the pocket leaving players like Lamb, Thomas filling the hole in front of goal...
I am enjoying the win and rejoicing in the positives.....only negative was Ballantyne wasnt stretchered off the ground..

x2....Said the same before that Casboult gave us more up the ground and was even presenting on the wing taking marks, and being brutal Jones is a better kick for goal than Levi and
we looked better with Jones taking the traffic with him to the pocket leaving players like Lamb, Thomas filling the hole in front of goal...
I am enjoying the win and rejoicing in the positives.....only negative was Ballantyne wasnt stretchered off the ground..

But he did cop a bit of punishment EB  :) 

Just home from the game.

Terrific win. Yes ugly footy but it was high pressure all day.
It was like the tropics there today, ball was like a cake of soap late in the game.

We out worked them and the mistakes came from pressure. It was not the footy we've seen all season from other teams and that's because we chose to make it a battle.

The guys that went out today can be justifiably proud G the effort they put in.

My god how different was this team live than what we have been dishing up.

Bolton is the Man

But he did cop a bit of punishment EB  :)

Not enough for me DJ ;)...he likes to give lip and push/shove/bump players when they make mistakes or lose a contest even though its not his man or he was near the play
...I know why Matty Scarlett decked him, he just couldnt cop it anymore....it would have felt good.. >:D

I didn't think the ABC radio commentators were all that bad rbh.

Is Jon Doritich one of the commentators?

Doro has been, but I have no idea who was commentating today.

My god how different was this team live than what we have been dishing up.

Bolton is the Man

I was in a crap position but,

I didn't see one contest shirked, one tackle half hearted and quite often we had guys splitting contests when they were out numbered.

What did you make of our game plan?. It was very much boundary line, particularly after half time. Certainly seemed deliberate as we ignored inside targets all day.

I was in a crap position but,

I didn't see one contest shirked, one tackle half hearted and quite often we had guys splitting contests when they were out numbered.

What did you make of our game plan?. It was very much boundary line, particularly after half time. Certainly seemed deliberate as we ignored inside targets all day.

Yeah it was very much boundary.  There was also very little switching compared to previous weeks. But if it was deliberate Byrne didn't get the message, he was constantly playing down the guts.

Is Jon Doritich one of the commentators?

Yes, Doro, as they like to call him, was certainly commentating today.

Sumner really impressed me.  His trapping of the ball in the last that led to Murphs goal was one of the more skilful acts in the whole game.

Yes, important observation.

Has anyone watched Lyon's presser ? Am I the only one who thinks it's a drunken, incoherent, meandering thing ?

I see what is happening to Freo as a repeat of what happened to Collingwood and Carlton under Malthouse. A coach with one good game plan that has become obsolete.

Lyon has drilled it into his players to the point they are no longer able to adjust to a change in the tactics. They revert to the old ways as soon as they are under pressure, the game is passing them by, they need a new trick!

We've leapt up the ladder. Gone from pick 1 to pick 4...lol.

Essendon will get a first round compo, so make that pick 5.

For what reason, being freaking cheats?.  If anybody is going to get a PP it should be us.

For what reason, being freaking cheats?.  If anybody is going to get a PP it should be us.

Hooker will get paid ridiculous coin. Not sure if Hurley is a FA too.

Sorry, overlooked that one.  Hooker will want the Perth mint to play for Freo. 

Wow Jeza....

I am not Liam Jones biggest fan, but he worked really hard today, got himself in good positions only to be missed by foot or overlooked. lamb beat Pearce one on one for a great goal but Liam had made a really good lead and should gave bee spotted up.

His two goals were reward for effort and we looked better with a few targets.

I know I sounds all negative and that but jeeeeesus that was a bad level we played at. Just really really bad. Sorry but... yeah - bad.

We finally won though so that is undoubtedly a positive. Infinitely better to win a crape game than to lose it.

On Jones:
2 late goals - great. Winning goal - nobody can take that away from you - ever so well done.

Did precisely nothing to that point though. Was putrid. Even missing a bolted on sitter right in front of goal when his team REALLY FRIGGING needed it 20m out straight in front is forgotten.

All forgotten because he got a free kick then Kerridge effected the opponents kick which lobbed into Jones's (who was not manning up but standing around doing his usual impression of a stunned mullet) lap.

End on a positive: Byrne is amazing.

@1979

I was more worried about how we structure without the ball. Plenty of guys worked hard to get to a good defensive position.

We are also good at having a "release" player now. Either by hand or foot. Several times we were under extreme pressure and a little kick towards the boundary released the pressure even if it got the ball outside 50.

I think we do move it wide but that is to switch the ball and bring it back through the middle. Despite how bad Freo are, they are still great at blocking the corridor, and denying space.

I just think the players know where to go and are comfortable with what they are doing. Just such a difference watching them last year run around lost.

It was not a pretty win, but hey from where we have come from who gives a flying f**k. 

Players are buying into the BB game plan.  Soon MM will be a distant memory.

It was not a pretty win, but hey from where we have come from who gives a flying f**k. 

Players are buying into the BB game plan.  Soon MM will be a distant memory.

Mate for me he already is. We now have a coach!

Mate for me he already is. We now have a coach!

He still scars me.  Every time Waite, betts, Garlett get goals, just can't help thinking he is responsible for them not being at Carlton/ 

I really think plowman, along with weitering have added some rigidity and quality to our backline. Imagine what they both would do with full pre seasons. I really feel we have two special players here.

On the downside, I fear Tuohy may soon be on the outer, particularly with Byrne playing as he is

Mate for me he already is. We now have a coach!

x 2 Onwards and upwards
Go Blues

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Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers
« Reply #155 on: April 23, 2016, 02:13:37 PM »
Quote from: Gointocarlton on April 23, 2016, 11:37:28 AM
I reckon we are a sneaky chance.

Same.
Freo are far from their best and nowhere near where they were last year. When we last played them at Domain, they were average. Had we not had no. 13 "chipping" it, too afraid to engage, and 23 realising he was on a footy field (what the hell was that.... Oh Walters just sat on my shoulders and took a screamer), we were close to matching it.
Our best is a certain chance.

Jones hits the scoreboard and Gibbs hits his straps......
Go Blues

Its with much pleasure that I say "see above prediction - well IT HAPPENED"
Ugly arm wrestle of a game but...... We were slightly less ugly for 4 quarters and that was enough 4 points is 4 points. We just kept grinding it out and the rest is history.

Big cheer to the Blue baggers at the game - you were loud proud and relentlessly optimistic.

I hope this gives our young fellas a lift - they deserve it.
Go Blues.

Next 3 weeks: Ess, Coll and PA (at home).

Good to have a win leading into the softer section of our draw.

I don't know about anyone else, but watching Jones line up for that last goal was a real sphincter tightening experience.

I was just glad it wasn't Levi

Actually, regarding Jones, they were the very things he did so well in the VFL last well. Led and used his body very well. Much different in the seniors admittedly but when the delivery is so poor it doesn't give one alot of hope. What it did do was allow Casboult to play up the ground, take a number of marks and get 16 touches, 6 more than Kreuzer and Phillips put together, and be some sort of influence. Good argument for Casboult being 2nd ruck.

Levi is a much better player at CHF than FF - almost impossible to spoil on the lead whereas he is too easily outnumbered and out-positioned at FF - doesn't hurt that he doesn't have to be relied upon to kick goals.

I still can't really believe it, we had a red hot crack and never dropped our heads but our skills at times were as bad as ever, Freo has totally lost the plot.
If we'd drafted Ciaran Byrne with pick 10 or 12 in the national draft we'd be rapt, I always thought Zac Tuohy showed plenty but if anything Byrne is ahead of him at the same stage.
I thought Kreuzer was much better this week, Casboult actually had a good game but his kicking for goal is atrocious and his non handball to Buckley was inexplicable, Jones was a non event for most of the day but it was nice to see him have a big hand in the finish.
Rowe was very good, so were Wright and Kerridge.
Cripps, Murphy and Gibbs were all top notch and Thomas did what we pay him for, but some of the lesser lights also put in big ones which is what we need to see more of.
Forgot to mention Ed Curnow, apart from his usual suspect foot skills he played a great game.
Excellent to be off the bottom at least, go Blues and bring on the Bumblers!

Starting Kreuzer in the ruck worked on 3 levels - we have better clearance effectiveness when he is in the middle - he is next to useless as a forward (and useless was more effective today) - and Phillips was more effective rucking late in the game when his leaping ability came to the fore

Wow Jeza....

I am not Liam Jones biggest fan, but he worked really hard today, got himself in good positions only to be missed by foot or overlooked. lamb beat Pearce one on one for a great goal but Liam had made a really good lead and should gave bee spotted up.

His two goals were reward for effort and we looked better with a few targets.

Even though he didn't trouble the stats man early in the game, I thought Jones got to more overhead marking contests to force the ball down than Levi or the ruckmen have been doing in recent weeks.

Even though he didn't trouble the stats man early in the game, I thought Jones got to more overhead marking contests to force the ball down than Levi or the ruckmen have been doing in recent weeks.

I'll have to watch the replay but I was watching him pretty closely and his efforts were precious few and really bad.

Anyway - can we trade Lachie Neale for Jones next year? Clubs always overrate players who kicked goals against them.

Watched the game (you'll be pleased to know it was with lots of fellow baggers). Here's my 2 cents worth FWIW.

Standouts
- Daisy was dangerous up forward
- Byrne oozes confidence and self- belief, can run and carry, isn't scared of anything (blood rule x 3 in past 2 games)
- Murphy led by example, head over the ball, got belted up, and just kept running. Kicked a captain's goal
- Simmo was clean and his usual courageous and instructive
- Rowe, yes Rowe was a general. He instructed his defenders and beat the Pav repeatedly. If he could mark a few of the spoils, he'd give his forwards a headache
- Crippa is a champion who believes in his teammates (50:50 results - this will improve as the list improves)
- Weitering has so much time.... If you want to see him out of Mr Composed mode - win the game, his celebration was priceless - he couldn't stop grinning
- Ex-Crows add so much grunt to our game. 2-3rd efforts get the tick
- Lamb seemed to be everywhere, albeit at times without polish (I don't think we're a polished type side just yet)

Somewhere in between
The Jones boy - totally seemed to mis read play at times, meaning he'd be too pooped for 2nds. Liam Jones - take a bow son. When you needed to mark and slot it - you did just that. You've earned another game.

Serviceable
- Gibbs, although he missed a very gettable set shot, he linked nicely and kicked true when the heat was on. He needs to develop this consistently. Looked to be giving plenty of advice to young fellas
- Curnow's are unstoppable runners. I think Charlie's work off the ball, and even in defence ran his defender ragged.
- Buckley had a crack and looked to improve defensively
- GWS. The Plow played his role and showed a few tricks - he's going to be such an upgrade in our defense. Sumner's defensive pressure and energy impressed
- Casboult works really hard around the ground but still hasn't nailed his kicking. His contribution up field might be a worry for some teams
- Rucks tapped well but not much more
- Doc was courageous but uncharacteristically (or characteristic of the game) fumbly, especially early on
- 2e, not his best game

In all, can't fault the effort and perseverance. As we know, skills leave a lot to be desired, especially set shots. Several players missed gettable shots.
I saw some structure, leadership and teamwork as though the new plan is starting to stick.

Blue baggers we might not see many wins this year. So enjoy your celebrations.

Go Blues

Has anyone watched Lyon's presser ? Am I the only one who thinks it's a drunken, incoherent, meandering thing ?

I like to watch Lyons presser most weeks when they lose.....he talks rubbish, quotes stats and never says anything thats coherent..
its a lot of piss taking stuff and he often asks the press boys what they think then bags them out when they answer...did cut up rough
tonight at the end though...
You watch him in the coaches box too, he says he is democratic and invites input but his assistants seem too scared to comment...

Should've beaten Richmond: Murphy plays well.

Beat Freo: Murphy plays well.

Generally poo in between the above mentioned games: Murphy is either injured or didn't play well.

Might be something in that.....

I like to watch Lyons presser most weeks when they lose.....he talks rubbish, quotes stats and never says anything thats coherent..
its a lot of piss taking stuff and he often asks the press boys what they think then bags them out when they answer...did cut up rough
tonight at the end though...
You watch him in the coaches box too, he says he is democratic and invites input but his assistants seem too scared to comment...

Thanks Elwood.

Yes, if this is the way he instructs and coaches the players, it's little wonder they're falling away so sharply.

How good is it waking the morning after a win. Ugly win but nonetheless a win and another step in the right direction. They maintained the pressure on Freo for 4 qtrs which is the most pleasing thing for me.
Go Blues.

As a spectacle, it was a football version of Apocalypse Now. Oh, the horror, the horror.

But still, my take away was how tenacious the new kids were. Best tackling I've seen from us in a long time.

Did anyone else notice how absolutely LIVID Bolts was when Freo got that easy goal out of the centre with 5 mins to go?!?

Mark my words, this guy has mongrel in him and HATES losing.

To those lambasting Levi for not handballing over the top to Buckley - the poor guy simply can't handball. I've noticed a few times now he just doesn't understand the mechanics of holding the ball with one hand and punching it with the other. Watch him. It's sad but true.

To those lambasting Levi for not handballing over the top to Buckley - the poor guy simply can't handball. I've noticed a few times now he just doesn't understand the mechanics of holding the ball with one hand and punching it with the other. Watch him. It's sad but true.

Can't handball and can't kick, what sort of a footballer does that make him?
Levi actually played well yesterday, it was one of the best games I've seen from him, but we need to get used to the fact that there are serious flaws in his game and that those flaws will always be there.
Still, for a speculative pick in the rookie draft he's done very well for himself and all credit to him.
It was a shocking game, riddled with mistakes from both sides, but Freo's mistakes came at very costly times.
The goal that Thomas kicked late should never have been a goal, not only was the free kick he received extremely doubtful but the ball went through the goals no more than shoulder high after Freo had been given a minute or so to set up, it was schoolboy stuff.
As for the bloke trying to take a chest mark on the goal line when all he needed to do was protect the ball, you wonder how someone with so little awareness is playing at senior level, but we'll take it.

Can't handball and can't kick, what sort of a footballer does that make him?
Levi actually played well yesterday, it was one of the best games I've seen from him, but we need to get used to the fact that there are serious flaws in his game and that those flaws will always be there.
Still, for a speculative pick in the rookie draft he's done very well for himself and all credit to him.
It was a shocking game, riddled with mistakes from both sides, but Freo's mistakes came at very costly times.
The goal that Thomas kicked late should never have been a goal, not only was the free kick he received extremely doubtful but the ball went through the goals no more than shoulder high after Freo had been given a minute or so to set up, it was schoolboy stuff.
As for the bloke trying to take a chest mark on the goal line when all he needed to do was protect the ball, you wonder how someone with so little awareness is playing at senior level, but we'll take it.

I agree re the errors by Freo but its swings and round-a-bouts B4L. How many times have we handed wins over as a result of silly errors and brain fades? Yesterday we benefited for a change, I'll take that.

Well i got it wrong. Couldn't see us getting close pre game. Predicated a 10 goal loss  :o ;D

So rapt with the effort and considering we have 8 players in their first season with us, great signs they have settled in so quickly.

Wasn't pretty but Lyon used their old proven defensive game plan but didn't work this time.

It's early I know but all indications are Bolton is the right man and considering the turnover of players and how early we have them all in the one team in surprised we are as competitive as we are.

Bryne plowman doc and that 'veteran' Weitering have instantly transformed a shaky defence into a free running and capable defense.

Well done blues - proud supporter.

Well i got it wrong. Couldn't see us getting close pre game. Predicated a 10 goal loss  :o ;D

It was YOU who said that. Couldn't remember.

Was never going to be 10 goal loss because Freo were always going to struggle to kick 10 goals!

Had it have been against somebody else, maybe.

Considering how much trouble we have in scoring, Freo was the perfect side for us to play as so do they.

Bryne plowman doc and that 'veteran' Weitering have instantly transformed a shaky defence into a free running and capable defense.

Don't forget Zach and Simmo.
Zach goes well most weeks, Simmo can be up and down but when he's up we're a much better side, and he was up yesterday.
A word about Phillips as well, he didn't have a big influence overall but his last quarter was excellent, a fantastic spoil 30 metres from Freo's goal showing no regard for his personal safety and a couple of centre clearances when the heat was right on.
A few more kilos and a few more games and we might have a good one to give Kreuzer a chop out.

Can't fault the players never-say-die attitude, you can't fault their effort, you can't fault their pressure, but really, last night was inept v more inept. Any half decent team would've cut us and Freo to pieces last night.

The ugliest 4 points in history.

Happy to see Bolton and the new boys get their first win,

but like most Blues vs Freo games in recent times it was a horrible game to watch.

Considering how much trouble we have in scoring, Freo was the perfect side for us to play as so do they.

Scores against Freo this year

Carlton 72
North Melbourne 132
West Coast 92
Gold Coast 126
Western Bulldogs 103

It was YOU who said that. Couldn't remember.

Was never going to be 10 goal loss because Freo were always going to struggle to kick 10 goals!

Had it have been against somebody else, maybe.

Considering how much trouble we have in scoring, Freo was the perfect side for us to play as so do they.

Yes Kruddler it was me :-[

I watched them play north last week and they pushed them hard for 3 quarters and off memory kicked a reasonable score. So facing a winless dockers outfit, playing on their turf I couldn't see us getting close.

I mean let's not forget they finished top last year while we took the spoon.

Anyhow I'm bloody rapt we took the points regardless of how ugly it was. Still a very good scalp IMO. 

Yes Kruddler it was me :-[

I watched them play north last week and they pushed them hard for 3 quarters and off memory kicked a reasonable score. So facing a winless dockers outfit, playing on there turf I couldn't see us getting close.

I mean let's not forget they finished top last year while we took the spoon.

Anyhow I'm bloody rapt we took the points regardless of how ugly it was. Still a very good scalp IMO.

Indeed it was a good win. Now let's see if it can become addictive.

Watched the game (you'll be pleased to know it was with lots of fellow baggers). Here's my 2 cents worth FWIW.

Standouts
- Daisy was dangerous up forward
- Byrne oozes confidence and self- belief, can run and carry, isn't scared of anything (blood rule x 3 in past 2 games)
- Murphy led by example, head over the ball, got belted up, and just kept running. Kicked a captain's goal
- Simmo was clean and his usual courageous and instructive
- Rowe, yes Rowe was a general. He instructed his defenders and beat the Pav repeatedly. If he could mark a few of the spoils, he'd give his forwards a headache
- Crippa is a champion who believes in his teammates (50:50 results - this will improve as the list improves)
- Weitering has so much time.... If you want to see him out of Mr Composed mode - win the game, his celebration was priceless - he couldn't stop grinning
- Ex-Crows add so much grunt to our game. 2-3rd efforts get the tick
- Lamb seemed to be everywhere, albeit at times without polish (I don't think we're a polished type side just yet)

Somewhere in between
The Jones boy - totally seemed to mis read play at times, meaning he'd be too pooped for 2nds. Liam Jones - take a bow son. When you needed to mark and slot it - you did just that. You've earned another game.

Serviceable
- Gibbs, although he missed a very gettable set shot, he linked nicely and kicked true when the heat was on. He needs to develop this consistently. Looked to be giving plenty of advice to young fellas
- Curnow's are unstoppable runners. I think Charlie's work off the ball, and even in defence ran his defender ragged.
- Buckley had a crack and looked to improve defensively
- GWS. The Plow played his role and showed a few tricks - he's going to be such an upgrade in our defense. Sumner's defensive pressure and energy impressed
- Casboult works really hard around the ground but still hasn't nailed his kicking. His contribution up field might be a worry for some teams
- Rucks tapped well but not much more
- Doc was courageous but uncharacteristically (or characteristic of the game) fumbly, especially early on
- 2e, not his best game

In all, can't fault the effort and perseverance. As we know, skills leave a lot to be desired, especially set shots. Several players missed gettable shots.
I saw some structure, leadership and teamwork as though the new plan is starting to stick.

Blue baggers we might not see many wins this year. So enjoy your celebrations.

Go Blues

Great report, thanks.

How good is it that regulars last year like Jamo, Everett, Armfield, Boakhorst and Walker were all out, but we still manage to win interstate and the above replacements looked ready and did enough to hold their spot.

Real deph is something we had very little of for a long time.

Good signs.

He still scars me.  Every time Waite, betts, Garlett get goals, just can't help thinking he is responsible for them not being at Carlton/

Understand that Age and it is sickening, but we now have some very promising young guys and a good young coach so let's look forward to better times.

Scores against Freo this year

Carlton 72
North Melbourne 132
West Coast 92
Gold Coast 126
Western Bulldogs 103

It was more about Freos inability to score that i was talking about.....although they have been improved on previous years

It was YOU who said that. Couldn't remember.

Was never going to be 10 goal loss because Freo were always going to struggle to kick 10 goals!

Had it have been against somebody else, maybe.

Considering how much trouble we have in scoring, Freo was the perfect side for us to play as so do they.

It easily could've been me but I only thought it, not said it...lol.

How good is it that regulars last year like Jamo, Everett, Armfield, Boakhorst and Walker were all out, but we still manage to win interstate and the above replacements looked ready and did enough to hold their spot.

Real deph is something we had very little of for a long time.

Good signs.

You can add Wood, White, Tutt and Bell to that list.

Our depth has improved but, to me, the most important change is the improvement in the strength of our best 22.  The addition of ready made players like Wright and Kerridge, emerging players like Plowman, Lamb, Byrne and Phillips, and draft picks Weitering and Curnow has made a great difference and will continue to do so.

 

Even with Freo's poor start and injury woes, doubt many would have bothered to take the pencil out to pencil us in for this one. Good win for thr club - shame it wasnt on TV so i didnt get to see any of a rare win  >:(

Even with Freo's poor start and injury woes, doubt many would have bothered to take the pencil out to pencil us in for this one. Good win for thr club - shame it wasnt on TV so i didnt get to see any of a rare win  >:(

The euphoria on the day after is obviously never the same as watching it live, but the AFL website has full replays if it makes a difference. I also assume your computer monitor is smaller than your telly - but it's better than nothing IMO.

I know I sounds all negative and that but jeeeeesus that was a bad level we played at. Just really really bad. Sorry but... yeah - bad.

We finally won though so that is undoubtedly a positive. Infinitely better to win a crape game than to lose it.

On Jones:
2 late goals - great. Winning goal - nobody can take that away from you - ever so well done.

Did precisely nothing to that point though. Was putrid. Even missing a bolted on sitter right in front of goal when his team REALLY FRIGGING needed it 20m out straight in front is forgotten.

All forgotten because he got a free kick then Kerridge effected the opponents kick which lobbed into Jones's (who was not manning up but standing around doing his usual impression of a stunned mullet) lap.

End on a positive: Byrne is amazing.

Don't forget entries in to fwd 50 were shocking. Dunstall would have struggled. That's not Jones fault and I am normally first to knock him. Had 3 shots got 2 so that's an improvement. He can't kick goals from no further than 30 out so staying deep is the ONLY position for him in snrs. Jones, Lamb, E Curnow and Levi all missed shots front on but Freo missed more.
Byrne sensational. When Sheehan gets right can see 3 mad irishmen playing defence for CFC. Thought Kruzer struggled. Not taking marks enough to be damaging. Got his hands on many up fwd for nothing.
Kerridge was great but needs to be told no more short kicks from defence as he has turned it over every game. Rowe was good but Pav is finished. If only Rowe could use the ball as his body work is ok.
Dylan looks lost. Will struggle to get back in def with Simpson owning it and now Byrne. Hope he finds form but I thought he fuoght well in last qtr, as did Phillips, Plow and Sumner. Gives much needed confidence as we tackle the scum. Even my 5 yr old girl hates Essendon...just born that way I presume :-)

The euphoria on the day after is obviously never the same as watching it live, but the AFL website has full replays if it makes a difference. I also assume your computer monitor is smaller than your telly - but it's better than nothing IMO.

Is it still free or do you have to subscribe to watch them? I thought is was all behind a pay-wall now, which I don't mind if it's Ad free but if it isn't Ad Free I refuse to watch them. They should have one or two options;

 - Paid subscription and totally Ad free.

 - Free-to-Air and Ad supported.

I don't get how it can be a paid subscription and loaded with Ads. As far as I am concerned the "Owners of various Sports" are Australian's, not the AFL, the PAid Players, Telstra< news Ltd or Foxtel! ;)

I buy a weekly pass on the AFL Live app and watch on my tablet for the games I want that aren't available elsewhere. It's the same coverage as Foxtel. I find that's OK and yesterday was no exception. NB. Remember to cancel the subscription afterwards otherwise it will automatically renew.

AFAIK the AFL replays on its website are free.

Is it still free or do you have to subscribe to watch them? I thought is was all behind a pay-wall now, which I don't mind if it's Ad free but if it isn't Ad Free I refuse to watch them. They should have one or two options;

 - Paid subscription and totally Ad free.

 - Free-to-Air and Ad supported.

I don't get how it can be a paid subscription and loaded with Ads. As far as I am concerned the "Owners of various Sports" are Australian's, not the AFL, the PAid Players, Telstra< news Ltd or Foxtel! ;)

You need a paid subscription to view it.

You need a paid subscription to view it.

That's news to me Paul - it was free last year.

That's news to me Paul - it was free last year.

Yes it's changed. If you click on the watch replay button, the subscription window pops up.

Yes it's changed. If you click on the watch replay button, the subscription window pops up.

Thanks mate. Ah well, another perk gone!  :(

Have there ever been that many players in the middle for a Gatorade shower ;D

There were 9 in there Lods !!

Kerridge, Wright, Plowman, Phillips, Lamb, Sumner, Weitering, C. Curnow and Byrne.

As has been well documented, we brought in 15 new players over the summer. In any team game it takes time to build 'chemistry' among the playing group. We have seen a few green shoots over the last few weeks, but it feels oh so good to finally get a win !!

Totally agree with all the comments about the lack of skills, it was very scrappy, but for probably the 1st time this year we put in a 4 qtr effort, and that got us the 4 points !!

The captain led from the front, he had a good game today.

Gibbs was a lot better than other games this year too. It makes a big difference when your senior players step up!

Simmo was another who played well.

I was impressed with Wright, gee he works hard. A few more with his attitude would be great!

Daisy with 3 goals did his job.

I obviously miss a lot of the inside work that gets done, I hardly noticed Cripps or Kerridge today, but they both got their fair share of the ball.

Touhy is not in great form, I thought Byrne was the better Irishman today, Casey showed some good signs.

I really really want to see Casboult become a good or even great player, but until he learns to kick goals he is a liability. No team can afford to have all their good work undone by a forward who cannot finish off all their hard work. When you start missing as many shots as Levi currently is, it becomes demoralizing for the whole team.

Jones was relatively quiet, but was important in the last qtr. Did enough to keep his spot.

Here's hoping this win gives the lads enough confidence to go out and win again next week against the 'dons.

Go Blues !!!

That's news to me Paul - it was free last year.

The smart replays are still free if you can put up with the smaller size.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-replay

when it was there to be won, they didn't capitulate.
small steps, small gains, bit by bit

The smart replays are still free if you can put up with the smaller size.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-replay

Thanks blue-link, I'm fine with those.

As a spectacle, it was a football version of Apocalypse Now. Oh, the horror, the horror.

But still, my take away was how tenacious the new kids were. Best tackling I've seen from us in a long time.

Did anyone else notice how absolutely LIVID Bolts was when Freo got that easy goal out of the centre with 5 mins to go?!?

Mark my words, this guy has mongrel in him and HATES losing.

To those lambasting Levi for not handballing over the top to Buckley - the poor guy simply can't handball. I've noticed a few times now he just doesn't understand the mechanics of holding the ball with one hand and punching it with the other. Watch him. It's sad but true.

Casboult had 8 handpasses for the game and his handpass after the 'don't argue' resulted in a goal.  His disposal efficiency was 75% so most of his handpasses must have been effective.

My impression was that Casboult's first reaction was to handball but he had second thoughts and held it back.

I'm not too fussed that he didn't handpass; it suggests that he still has confidence in his goalkicking.

I'm not too fussed that he didn't handpass; it suggests that he still has confidence in his goalkicking.

That makes one...

I'm not too fussed that he didn't handpass; it suggests that he still has confidence in his goalkicking.

Awful, but Buckley had it coming after burning Daisy, both acts were horribly unprofessional.

Buckley has been doing one or two of these a week so far this season. I'd have Buckley out 1AW in if he is fit.

Don't know about anyone else but I'm thinking that was definitely our best win for the season thus far. ;D

Don't know about anyone else but I'm thinking that was definitely our best win for the season thus far. ;D

It would go pretty close Jim.  8)

The smart replays are still free if you can put up with the smaller size.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-replay

Thanks for the tip m - I didn't know they existed.

Don't know about anyone else but I'm thinking that was definitely our best win for the season thus far. ;D

LLLLW looks better than LLLLL no matter how you dress it. ;)

Don't forget entries in to fwd 50 were shocking. Dunstall would have struggled. That's not Jones fault and I am normally first to knock him. Had 3 shots got 2 so that's an improvement. He can't kick goals from no further than 30 out so staying deep is the ONLY position for him in snrs. Jones, Lamb, E Curnow and Levi all missed shots front on but Freo missed more.
Byrne sensational. When Sheehan gets right can see 3 mad irishmen playing defence for CFC. Thought Kruzer struggled. Not taking marks enough to be damaging. Got his hands on many up fwd for nothing.
Kerridge was great but needs to be told no more short kicks from defence as he has turned it over every game. Rowe was good but Pav is finished. If only Rowe could use the ball as his body work is ok.
Dylan looks lost. Will struggle to get back in def with Simpson owning it and now Byrne. Hope he finds form but I thought he fuoght well in last qtr, as did Phillips, Plow and Sumner. Gives much needed confidence as we tackle the scum. Even my 5 yr old girl hates Essendon...just born that way I presume :-)

Running joke... before opening my 5 y.o. smells the footy card packet and if it stinks like manure he says it's got an Essendon card inside it.

Something is off with our mids. There have been patches in certain games where they appear to have gotten it together but overall they have been really underwhelming. Repeated brain fades and some seriously basic disposals missing the mark. The worrying part is that these aren't the youngsters stuffing it up. Really hope next week is when it all comes together for them.

Defense looking the best it has looked in years with Byrne, Plowman, Weitering, Simo, 2e, Doc - just missing that last big key defender. Shame we missed young Kieran Collins last year. Gee if Glass-McCasker came good we'd be set. Sheehan can only help depth-wise.

Adding Walker and Jaksch (and maybe sneak in SOS) to the forward line would transform it I think. All of a sudden there is a different feel - bit of threat. 

Jones - just nup.
Resting ruckman down there - noooooope.
Buckley isn't a forward pocket.

I thought Rowe was pretty good against Freo, in the main role he was no longer hesitant. Just needs to get sorted in his head when to mark and when to punch, maybe some confidence will help.

To me one problem we have got with the mids is some confusion over who's doing what and it makes us look slow. Other than Kreuzer and Murphy they don't even look like they know where they want to stand. Yet I liked the early parts of the Freo game, Kreuzer looked fresher and hit the contest really hard leaving Cripps free to either link up or attack the opposition. Later in the game Clark started winning taps but by then the game had slowed and Cripps size and fitness kicked in, he was winning contested ball regularly. In effect early it was Kreuzer / Murphy when we were winning first use, later it was Cripps / Gibbs when Freo got their hands on the ball.

Not sure about the benefits of having Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy and Gibbs in the same rotation. It's like we have an A and B rotation, but I'd rather opposition had to deal continuously with either Kreuzer or Cripps. Feels a bit like rolling he dice at the moment.

In a high pressure game Gibbs impressed, as did Daisy. I think if Daisy stays fit he'll start to get more of a midfield rotation and that will help enormously as he can certainly find the football at stoppages.

I'd like to see Wright used in the F50 more, less in the midfield, his tackling is impressive and he could be our Betts replacement as a pressure forward.

Lamb did some nice stuff but tends to want to jump at the ball more than get at the fall. We had very few marks taken against our tall forwards so get some players at their feet.

If we get that sort of effort AND output every week from Murph, Gibbs and Thomas we'll win more than we lose for the rest of the season.

That's on the back from improved output - from the young'uns too - The Plow, Sumner, Lamb, Weitering, Cripps (well he doesn't need to improve), Byrne (how good is this kid going to be?!!), Kerridge and Graham.

1AW back in and up forward will be a big plus too - hard match up and takes the heat off someone else to a degree.

Still hoping Kreuzer will 'come good' too - but even if he can only nullify his opponent well that's ok?

If Army's form warrants it - and it sounds like it almost does - he's an obvious replacement for Buckley imo - and a decent upgrade on Buckley's output this season.

I thought Rowe was pretty good against Freo, in the main role he was no longer hesitant. Just needs to get sorted in his head when to mark and when to punch, maybe some confidence will help.

To me one problem we have got with the mids is some confusion over who's doing what and it makes us look slow. Other than Kreuzer and Murphy they don't even look like they know where they want to stand. Yet I liked the early parts of the Freo game, Kreuzer looked fresher and hit the contest really hard leaving Cripps free to either link up or attack the opposition. Later in the game Clark started winning taps but by then the game had slowed and Cripps size and fitness kicked in, he was winning contested ball regularly. In effect early it was Kreuzer / Murphy when we were winning first use, later it was Cripps / Gibbs when Freo got their hands on the ball.

Not sure about the benefits of having Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy and Gibbs in the same rotation. It's like we have an A and B rotation, but I'd rather opposition had to deal continuously with either Kreuzer or Cripps. Feels a bit like rolling he dice at the moment.

In a high pressure game Gibbs impressed, as did Daisy. I think if Daisy stays fit he'll start to get more of a midfield rotation and that will help enormously as he can certainly find the football at stoppages.

I'd like to see Wright used in the F50 more, less in the midfield, his tackling is impressive and he could be our Betts replacement as a pressure forward.

Lamb did some nice stuff but tends to want to jump at the ball more than get at the fall. We had very few marks taken against our tall forwards so get some players at their feet.

Good analysis LP.

I was surprised when I saw Kreuzer's stats; he seemed to have a much greater influence around the ground.  I suppose his second and third efforts and up as clearances won stats for others.

Kerridge is proving to be an important cog in the midfield rotations too.

Interesting about the Mid Rotation theory LP.

I watched the centre square set up a lot (as it was a speciality) of mine when i played) and what i noticed is BOlton actually has very few different guys running through there. Ratten, MM and Barker all had everyone having a crack at different times. But usually it was Cripps, Gibbs, Murphy at the start and then Curnow would rotate through there, but otherwise Kerridge, Sumner, Thomas would all line up on the wing.

This could be a lower interchange rotation thing, or a huge emphasis of winning the centre clearance. Cripps would start, Kerridge would follow the play from the wing and Cripps would wander forward for his "break" but it was important to have Cripps in the centre.

It's clear we need some more midfield depth though.

I'd love to know what (or who) Bolts was yelling  into his hands when Griffiths toed that Freo goal through in the last quarter.

He was FILTHY!!

I'd love to know what (or who) Bolts was yelling  into his hands when Griffiths toed that Freo goal through in the last quarter.

He was FILTHY!!

Didn't that one, freaky as it was, put our win at risk? I think BB BADLY wanted to notch up a win tbh.

Why waste a chance to get games into the kids ,Jamo ,Walker,Army will all be lucky to be there past this year,don't get me wrong they are some of my favs,but it is time to play the kids and see the green shoots ,it will make it better for the future than going back to the past.They all played last year and where did we finish,give the kids a go if they don't work out at least we know.I would rather watch the future than a replay of the past.You can add Rowe ,Jones and tuhey into that group as well because if they are not under contract I can see them being gone as well.The thought of watching Bokhurst,Jaesch,and down the track Sosos and others will get me to more games than watching the past.

Didn't that one, freaky as it was, put our win at risk? I think BB BADLY wanted to notch up a win tbh.

No doubt cook.

But if you look at the vision it looks like he's being very specific about something not going right. Thought someone at the centre clearance had forked up TBH.

I'd love to know what (or who) Bolts was yelling  into his hands when Griffiths toed that Freo goal through in the last quarter.

He was FILTHY!!

I was trying to muffle "JESUS H. F***ING CHRIST" into a couple large throw cushions in order to not scare the kids in the next room.

I was trying to muffle "JESUS H. F***ING CHRIST" into a couple large throw cushions in order to not scare the kids in the next room.

I didnt muffle, just yelled out "FFS" in a crowed room at a party I was at.

I was trying to muffle "JESUS H. F***ING CHRIST" into a couple large throw cushions in order to not scare the kids in the next room.

Dockers supporters around me started to leave, and several turned around and came back lololololol!

One thing I hadn't really noticed was how little time Kreuzer and Phillips spent on the ground.  I was expecting the ruckmen to rest in the forward line but they each spent about a third of the game on the pine.  Clarke and Griffen were much the same.

One thing I hadn't really noticed was how little time Kreuzer and Phillips spent on the ground.  I was expecting the ruckmen to rest in the forward line but they each spent about a third of the game on the pine.  Clarke and Griffen were much the same.

Why are you surprised this was the way things were pre-sub rule, so it should be expected rucks would go back to rotating off the bench. I hope it continues, but I think we won't see the best of Kreuzer until he gets a high percentage of game time.

Lots of ducks and drakes for the rest of this season, the new rules have really put the cat amongst the pigeons. But one thing, I reckon Lyon tried a half old style game plan at the weekend and our defense stood up OK.

What is surprising for me is how much TOG KPP players are getting, not just our game but across the competition some are above 95% TOG.

I'd love to know what (or who) Bolts was yelling  into his hands when Griffiths toed that Freo goal through in the last quarter.

He was FILTHY!!

Probably the same thing Lyon was thinking when Daisy's kick sneaked over the line! :D

Actually the commentators are bullsh1t, the Daisy shot crossed the line well above the reach of defenders. The line camera looks down from above the padding making it look lower than it really was. But that padding must be 4m~5m high and ball crossed the line above it. I don't know any players who can get a hand on the ball above padding height.

Why are you surprised this was the way things were pre-sub rule, so it should be expected rucks would go back to rotating off the bench. I hope it continues, but I think we won't see the best of Kreuzer until he gets a high percentage of game time.

Lots of ducks and drakes for the rest of this season, the new rules have really put the cat amongst the pigeons. But one thing, I reckon Lyon tried a half old style game plan at the weekend and our defense stood up OK.

What is surprising for me is how much TOG KPP players are getting, not just our game but across the competition some are above 95% TOG.

I'm surprised because the pundits predicted that sides would play two ruckmen and they would rest in the forward line.  This is what GWS and Collingwood did (St Kilda and Essendon both played only one ruckman).

Phillips has spent roughly the same TOG in all 5 games but, apart from the Richmond game, Kreuzer has been on the ground for much longer.  I guess the tactics changed with Jones coming into the side.  Charlie Curnow is the other bloke spending a lot of time on the pine.

Probably the same thing Lyon was thinking when Daisy's kick sneaked over the line! :D

Actually the commentators are bullsh1t, the Daisy shot crossed the line well above the reach of defenders. The line camera looks down from above the padding making it look lower than it really was. But that padding must be 4m~5m high and ball crossed the line above it. I don't know any players who can get a hand on the ball above padding height.

Seriously LP.

Bolton could have touched that ball standing on the line.

Seriously LP.

Bolton could have touched that ball standing on the line.

Goal post camera shows it crossed the line above padding height, the padding at Domain Stadium is apparently 4.5m high.

But if you are talking to the purple hoard, it crossed the line a foot off the ground! ;)

Seriously LP.

Bolton could have touched that ball standing on the line.

Id agree with that.

Everyone lined up on the back point post expecting the marking contest and not one of them stood the line.

The bloke who almost got to it was diving for it thats how close it was.

Id agree with that.

Everyone lined up on the back point post expecting the marking contest and not one of them stood the line.

The bloke who almost got to it was diving for it thats how close it was.

The kid can dive all he likes but unless he dove and set a new draft combine total height record he was never going near the footy as it crossed the goal line.

 - The cameras are sitting just above the padding.(See the dot on the opposite goal post).
 - The new 2016 padding is apparently about 4.5m high, or the cameras are 4.5m high, I'm waiting for that to be confirmed.
 - The direct line between the near camera and the far camera on top of the padding on the opposite goal post must be level.
 - The ball has crossed the goal line(Behind the opposite post) as it drops below the top of the padding. (Keep in mind perspective as the ball is closer to the near camera)
 - The player diving for the ball is completely behind the goal line, the ball drops at least 0.5m behind him. So an AFL player is say 70cm across the shoulders so the ball hits the ground at least 1.2m over the line dropping almost vertically.
 - The AFL record for total height jump is Naitanui 3.62m.

There was a very slim chance someone with a good run up directly under the flight of the ball might get their timing perfect and get a finger on it.

Too many people are swayed by Dwayne "The Pain" Russell's Foxtel comments but they are uninformed rubbish because he is a goose!

You can watch and stop the video from here about 21 - 30s mark, http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-04-24/daisy-bends-one-back

Watched it 10 times.

The Freo guy was face first in the dirt and the ball almost hit him in the hands. ;D ;D

Watched it 10 times.

The Freo guy was face first in the dirt and the ball almost hit him in the hands. ;D ;D

Yes, and Harmes was 3m over the boundary line! ;)

I don't mind winding the Freo supporters up, but there were media types using it as another example of a poor Daisy kick that was just lucky from about 35m out. But from Daisy's perspective it was never in doubt, it was well executed, got good distance for that type of kick and it was a goal!

Yes, and Harmes was 3m over the boundary line! ;)

I don't mind winding the Freo supporters up, but there were media types using it as another example of a poor Daisy kick that was just lucky from about 35m out. But from Daisy's perspective it was never in doubt, it was well executed, got good distance for that type of kick and it was a goal!

Sorry.

But no point arguing.

Next.

The kid can dive all he likes but unless he dove and set a new draft combine total height record he was never going near the footy as it crossed the goal line.

 - The cameras are sitting just above the padding.(See the dot on the opposite goal post).
 - The new 2016 padding is apparently about 4.5m high, or the cameras are 4.5m high, I'm waiting for that to be confirmed.
 - The direct line between the near camera and the far camera on top of the padding on the opposite goal post must be level.
 - The ball has crossed the goal line(Behind the opposite post) as it drops below the top of the padding. (Keep in mind perspective as the ball is closer to the near camera)
 - The player diving for the ball is completely behind the goal line, the ball drops at least 0.5m behind him. So an AFL player is say 70cm across the shoulders so the ball hits the ground at least 1.2m over the line dropping almost vertically.
 - The AFL record for total height jump is Naitanui 3.62m.

There was a very slim chance someone with a good run up directly under the flight of the ball might get their timing perfect and get a finger on it.

Too many people are swayed by Dwayne "The Pain" Russell's Foxtel comments but they are uninformed rubbish because he is a goose!

You can watch and stop the video from here about 21 - 30s mark, http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-04-24/daisy-bends-one-back

Are you guys talking about the same goal?

4.5m high cameras? No chance.

Cameras are there for the 'touches' on the line. A 200cm bloke with his hand up in the air can reach maybe 3m. To get to the height of the camera he has to have a jump of 1.5m! Nic nat gets about 90 i think, 60% of the way.

Just watched the video, the umpire is about 80% of the height of the padding.
The camera (dot on opposite post) is about 1/2m (at most) above that.

I'd suggest 2.5m high is the height of the camera.

Either way, the ball was under the top of the pads, well within reach.

If anything is 4.5m high, its the point post!

Just watched the video, the umpire is about 80% of the height of the padding.
The camera (dot on opposite post) is about 1/2m (at most) above that.

I'd suggest 2.5m high is the height of the camera.

Either way, the ball was under the top of the pads, well within reach.

If anything is 4.5m high, its the point post!

IC! :o

As I understand it the old Domain Stadium 2015 goal and point posts were 15m and 12m respectively(Required minimum is 15m and 10m). My info is that the new 2016 goal-line camera posts are higher with the point posts at 15m high(old goal posts maybe?) and the new goal posts are 18m high.

I have no idea where you get the umpire at 80% of the padding height that I cannot help you with, and this picture is the old posts and padding! :o

(http://www.domainstadium.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/stadium-info-domain.jpg)

Just watched the video, the umpire is about 80% of the height of the padding.
The camera (dot on opposite post) is about 1/2m (at most) above that.

I'd suggest 2.5m high is the height of the camera.

Either way, the ball was under the top of the pads, well within reach.

If anything is 4.5m high, its the point post!

I thought the ball bounced through! ;)

Any Freo player, even Ballantyne, could have marked Thomas's kick if they were standing on the goal line midway between the posts.  It was very poor defence and pretty typical of a lot of Freo's work.

I thought the ball bounced through! ;)

Goal umpire had to jump out the way to avoid being hit.

I've found the problem, you lot are looking at the wrong image! :D

(https://torquaytigers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Auskick-Simmons-Stadium_047.jpg)

Coaches' votes:

9 Patrick Cripps (Carl)
9 Kade Simpson (Carl)
5 Lachie Neale (Frem)
4 Marc Murphy (Carl)
2 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
1 Michael Barlow (Frem)

Coaches' votes:

9 Patrick Cripps (Carl)
9 Kade Simpson (Carl)
5 Lachie Neale (Frem)
4 Marc Murphy (Carl)
2 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
1 Michael Barlow (Frem)

Interesting the coaches agree on the top votes, seems contested possessions and intercept marking/spoils are the coaches big priorities.

So we know from the votes;

5/4 Cripps
5/4 Simpson
3/2 Neale
3/1 Murphy
2 Gibbs
1 Barlow.

Surprised Barlow didn't get more votes, 14 tackles and 32 possessions would normally get a BOG.

Why waste a chance to get games into the kids ,Jamo ,Walker,Army will all be lucky to be there past this year,don't get me wrong they are some of my favs,but it is time to play the kids and see the green shoots ,it will make it better for the future than going back to the past.

I agree with this in principle but there are occassions to go for a win and when youre staring at your worst start to a season, you need the win to pick morale up.

I agree with this in principle but there are occassions to go for a win and when youre staring at your worst start to a season, you need the win to pick morale up.

There still needs to be an element of merit. Always.

If Army's fit and firing (and given Buckley's injured in any event), it's a no brainer.

Rainbow you could argue is a replacement for Simmo, 2E, Byrne or the Doc (only 2E a chance to be dropped in reality) but hasn't done enough yet. The other Irishman is injured. Who else is close to demanding it?

SOSOS - too soon, ditto Cuningham.

Curnow and Weitering already playing. Pretty good mix imo.

I agree with this in principle but there are occassions to go for a win and when youre staring at your worst start to a season, you need the win to pick morale up.

It appears that our match committee doesn't agree with "getting games into the kids" and is following a selection on merit policy, and that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

Bolton is creating a learning environment and he has made it clear that players must learn that they are not entitled to games but, if they work hard, anything is possible. 

Gifting games to youngsters who haven't earned a place in the team is not good for team culture or player development.  By all means play them when they're ready and deserve to be in the best 22.

One of the interesting moments was at the end of the game when Bolton instructed the assistant coaches to go and shake the players hands.  Even with the emotion of his first win, his mind was still on the job well after the siren.

One of the interesting moments was at the end of the game when Bolton instructed the assistant coaches to go and shake the players hands.  Even with the emotion of his first win, his mind was still on the job well after the siren.

I noticed that. The more I see of him in action the more I'm growing to like him.

I noticed that. The more I see of him in action the more I'm growing to like him.

Yep, he has an epic task on his hands but the more you see of him in action as you say, the more you know he is the right man for the job.

Why does prioritising kids mean gifting games?

Why does prioritising kids mean gifting games?

You can tear the club apart, not just the playing list, if you let blokes who aren't that deserving take a spot on match day.

Go ask Denis Pagan and Mick Martin!

It takes dozens of trainers, coaches, admin staff to get these blokes to the level required, and giving some kid a game who hasn't deserved the spot is a spit in their face!

I don't give a sh1t! if you are the hybrid cloned love child of SOS, Kouta and Juddy. It means NADA until you've played some good footy!

You can tear the club apart, not just the playing list, if you let blokes who aren't that deserving take a spot on match day.

Go ask Denis Pagan and Mick Martin!

It takes dozens of trainers, coaches, admin staff to get these blokes to the level required, and giving some kid a game who hasn't deserved the spot is a spit in their face!

Fair sized bow tying this into Mick Martyn. I didny say give games to undeserving players and if we're going that far back - it didnt tear apart Brisbane.

Why does prioritising kids mean gifting games?

It doesn't necessarily mean that.

If everything else is equal, priority should be given to players with the potential to play for many years to come.  Gifting games is selecting players who haven't earned their place on merit.

Fair sized bow tying this into Mick Martyn. I didny say give games to undeserving players and if we're going that far back - it didnt tear apart Brisbane.

Voss might see things differently, giving undeserving kids a run is pretty analogous to offering to trade away club champions on a pipe dream. It has a very similar effect on the club in general.

It doesn't necessarily mean that.

If everything else is equal, priority should be given to players with the potential to play for many years to come.  Gifting games is selecting players who haven't earned their place on merit.

That really is the critical part.

IC! :o

As I understand it the old Domain Stadium 2015 goal and point posts were 15m and 12m respectively(Required minimum is 15m and 10m). My info is that the new 2016 goal-line camera posts are higher with the point posts at 15m high(old goal posts maybe?) and the new goal posts are 18m high.

I have no idea where you get the umpire at 80% of the padding height that I cannot help you with, and this picture is the old posts and padding! :o

(http://www.domainstadium.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/stadium-info-domain.jpg)

Talks of the trials of the cameras....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/goal-post-cameras-to-be-used-by-channel-ten-20100824-13l1k.html
The 6cmm by 3cm cameras, one at 40cm off the ground and the other three metres off the ground, will also be used during three Melbourne finals.

There is also a picture that goes with it...
FYI, that is a 6 foot ladder, and the bloke is probably about the same height. Note he is not at the top of the ladder though.
Works out to be about 3m, as the article suggests.....and as makes sense.

But sure, lets go with an extra 50% on that because......you said?!


EDIT: (http://www.theage.com.au/content/dam/images/1/3/l/5/d/image.related.articleLeadNarrow.300x0.13l1k.png/1282613766190.jpg)

Talks of the trials of the cameras....
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/goal-post-cameras-to-be-used-by-channel-ten-20100824-13l1k.html
The 6cmm by 3cm cameras, one at 40cm off the ground and the other three metres off the ground, will also be used during three Melbourne finals.

There is also a picture that goes with it...
FYI, that is a 6 foot ladder, and the bloke is probably about the same height. Note he is not at the top of the ladder though.
Works out to be about 3m, as the article suggests.....and as makes sense.

But sure, lets go with an extra 50% on that because......you said?!

Haw haw haw, really?

You are trying to using a 2010 report of the first ever trial of the cameras!

Not only is the article obsolete, it wasn't even correct last season before the new higher synthetic goal posts were announced with goal-line cameras integrated into the posts. And the padding might have been 3m in 2010 but not any more, but keep arguing just ignore that  boundary umpire standing right next to the Domain Stadium 2015 point post padding, or else perhaps he's just 1.5m tall! :D

What's more if that's a 6ft ladder the padding is at least 1m above it, and the camera is another 0.5m above that, but it's OK round down to 3m just to make yourself happy.

Seriously Kruddler, you are clutching at straws using 6 year old obsolete data trying to defend an obviously wrong statement! It's OK you can be wrong the world won't end and there is no need to be embarrassed! :o

Ringing Domain Stadium and asking someone in the know might be the best way of solving this.

Or if one of our WA members is around there at some point, but that might be a stretch.

EDIT : further to this, I'm sure if you watch the video replay of the whole match., there will be enough chances to see the goal umpire adjacent to the posts - if you assume he (or she if applicable) is about 1.8m tall, you could make a pretty good guess. I just watched highlights from round 8 2015, Freo v Kangas, and the padding in that footage looks about twice the height of the umpire, so if it's still the same, my guess is less than 4m, maybe closer to 3.5, 3.6.

Ringing Domain Stadium and asking someone in the know might be the best way of solving this.

Or if one of our WA members is around there at some point, but that might be a stretch.

EDIT : further to this, I'm sure if you watch the video replay of the whole match., there will be enough chances to see the goal umpire adjacent to the posts - if you assume he (or she if applicable) is about 1.8m tall, you could make a pretty good guess. I just watched highlights from round 8 2015, Freo v Kangas, and the padding in that footage looks about twice the height of the umpire, so if it's still the same, my guess is less than 4m, maybe closer to 3.5, 3.6.

It's even easier PaulP, just wait for a goal line review and you can see the camera embedded in the opposite post above the top of the new 2016 padding!

But seriously, Kruddler claiming the umpire was 80% the height of the goal post padding is just ridiculous.

I just watched the first 3 minutes of the "smart reply" on the AFL website - in that time, they show both ends of the ground, and to me the padding looks about twice the height of the umpire.

And that is where my interest in this issue ends.

I just watched the first 3 minutes of the "smart reply" on the AFL website - in that time, they show both ends of the ground, and to me the padding looks about twice the height of the umpire.

And that is where my interest in this issue ends.

Yep boring now.

If anyone wants really accurate figures download the free program Tracker Video Analysis (http://physlets.org/tracker/). You can calibrate the video using the goal-square lines which are known to be 6.4m x 9m then it will use the video frame rate, velocity and the law of gravity to calculate the height of the ball any point above the ground backwards from the last point of impact. There are all sorts of tools built into the program to compensate for errors of perspective, fish-eye, etc., etc.. Obviously to keep things simple you are better to choose a sequence where the camera isn't panning, but even then if you can't get one fixed points like ground markings can be used as a static reference.

I wasn't aware of the "AFL Team of the Week" but it's not a bad effort to have two players selected, particularly as they're our first selections for the season.

Two of Carlton’s leaders have been recognised for their exceptional and gutsy performances in the Blues’ victory over Fremantle.

Captain Marc Murphy along with vice-captain Kade Simpson have been named in the AFL’s Team of the Week.

For the first time this season, two Blues featured in the line-up with ‘Simmo’ named at half-back and ‘Murph’ named on the interchange.

The skipper played an instrumental role in the Blues’ win over last year’s minor premiers, kicking a vital goal in the final minutes of the match to put his team back in front, and ultimately help seal the victory.

With 14 staples in his head, the midfielder was forced to wear a helmet during the Round 5 match – but that didn’t hinder his performance in the slightest.

Murph had 28 touches, including six tackles, four clearances and eight contested possessions, not to mention that critical goal. 

I wasn't aware of the "AFL Team of the Week" but it's not a bad effort to have two players selected, particularly as they're our first selections for the season.

Great effort and well deserved IMO.

Say what you will about Murphy's Captaincy, but I'd take him over Cotchin any day of the week. He's finally spending more time in a role more suited to his skill set and I think he's been more damaging this year than he has for a long time.

Credit to Murphy he led well and considering he had more staples in his head than the federal budget media guide he deserves some accolades for cracking in and
putting that helmet and its contents on the line..

Say what you will about Murphy's Captaincy, but I'd take him over Cotchin any day of the week. He's finally spending more time in a role more suited to his skill set and I think he's been more damaging this year than he has for a long time.

Agree.

Some posts have been removed and as pointed out I suggest a quick read of the New Directions thread: http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=2843.0

Some of you are very astute but lets please keep the thread's on topic.

Some posts have been removed and as pointed out I suggest a quick read of the New Directions thread: http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=2843.0

Some of you are very astute but lets please keep the thread's on topic.

Soz shades.

As you can appreciate, some of your members have inquisitive minds...........

I recorded the replay today, is it worth watching the whole thing or just the last quarter?

I recorded the replay today, is it worth watching the whole thing or just the last quarter?

It depends on whether you find ineptitude funny or irritating.

My 2 cents. Only the last q.

I recorded the replay today, is it worth watching the whole thing or just the last quarter?

I got home and only watched the last quarter. It was quote a good quarter of footy. (minus the skills)

I don't think you'll learn anything you don't already know watching the whole game.

Effort and never say die attitude are great to see. A real treat.

Our "connection" (to borrow a Bolt-on buzzword) is awful. I stopped watching after the first q and had to take a double dose of anti depressants. Then I waited two days to watch the rest.

Watched it all because I was at the game and like to see everything again on telly.

At the ground it seemed 50/50 and we just got our noses in front at the end, but If you do watch it all you get the real feeling we could have won by 5 goals.

That's how it felt to me anyway.

Watched it all because I was at the game and like to see everything again on telly.

At the ground it seemed 50/50 and we just got our noses in front at the end, but If you do watch it all you get the real feeling we could have won by 5 goals.

That's how it felt to me anyway.

I agree, if we could sort out the ball use and get a marking target that can kick inside F50 we would have been all over Freo.

But I think MBB should watch the whole game to put a few "moments" into perspective!

Watched it all because I was at the game and like to see everything again on telly.

At the ground it seemed 50/50 and we just got our noses in front at the end, but If you do watch it all you get the real feeling we could have won by 5 goals.

That's how it felt to me anyway.

Agree entirely - we missed plenty of easy chances.

Agree entirely - we missed plenty of easy chances.

So did they though.

I reckon both sides walked away thinking they should have won by three or four.

So did they though.

I reckon both sides walked away thinking they should have won by three or four.

I'm not going back to count them Thry but at half time I remember saying to my wife that we could have had a comfortable lead if not for our misses. OK Freo missed a few too but I think we probably missed more easy ones.

I'm not going back to count them Thry but at half time I remember saying to my wife that we could have had a comfortable lead if not for our misses. OK Freo missed a few too but I think we probably missed more easy ones.

I think we missed far more of the easier shots than Freo, they had two significant misses to regain the lead but they were under scoreboard pressure at the moment.

We missed easy shots for four quarters, from almost no pressure early to some late shots to ice the game when we were in front.

Freo scored too easily entering F50 early on and we tightened that up later.

Are they really easy if Levi is shooting?

Are they really easy if Levi is shooting?

By AFL standards, not by Meat standards.

I'm not sure Meat could walk through a door without hitting both posts, but I'd back him it to tear the architrave off the top if he jumped up and grabbed it!

Deadset guys I dont think anyone missed harder or easier chances to score, I simply think that at crucial times, both sides missed easy chances to score which could very easily have led to a bigger distance than the eventual 15 point biggest lead of the day.

I can think of a few for Freo that were gimmes that they missed, and likewise us including their first few scoring chances of the day.

Thats why Freo are sitting last, and thats why we had our first win.

I think we missed far more of the easier shots than Freo, they had two significant misses to regain the lead but they were under scoreboard pressure at the moment.

We missed easy shots for four quarters, from almost no pressure early to some late shots to ice the game when we were in front.

Freo scored too easily entering F50 early on and we tightened that up later.

Its a weekly occurrence. Think back to the Sydney game and I mentioned this in the post game thread, it was the 2nd qtr and the game was tight with Syd holding a 12 or 13 pt lead. We then missed 3 sitters in a row (from memory the offenders were Cripps, Curnow and ??). Syd then went bang bang bang, 3 goals in row and the lead blew to just under 40 points in a heart beat and the game was over. Our kicking for goal costs us so many games its ridiculous.

Its a weekly occurrence. Think back to the Sydney game and I mentioned this in the post game thread, it was the 2nd qtr and the game was tight with Syd holding a 12 or 13 pt lead. We then missed 3 sitters in a row (from memory the offenders were Cripps, Curnow and ??). Syd then went bang bang bang, 3 goals in row and the lead blew to just under 40 points in a heart beat and the game was over. Our kicking for goal costs us so many games its ridiculous.

Yep, that sort of stuff just saps the life out of a team.

Some posts have been removed and as pointed out I suggest a quick read of the New Directions thread: http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=2843.0

Some of you are very astute but lets please keep the thread's on topic.

Congratulations to the moderating team, I look forward to being able to enjoy the site again.
Now... Let's go smash some bombers !!!

Congratulations to the moderating team, I look forward to being able to enjoy the site again.
Now... Let's go smash some bombers !!!

I was thinking exactly the same thing.
The change is very noticeable.