This week's game is something of an oddity: we are on TV! Amazing as it sounds, it is true. The Blues play Werribee at Werribee on Sunday, with the game starting at 1140.
Werribee have been very ordinary lately, but won last week for the first time in ages.
The Blues are probably not going to be any stronger: one key forward will be out at least replacing Charlie Curnow. However, our emergencies should play.
This week's game is something of an oddity: we are on TV! Amazing as it sounds, it is true. The Blues play Werribee at Werribee on Sunday, with the game starting at 1140.
Werribee have been very ordinary lately, but won last week for the first time in ages.
The Blues are probably not going to be any stronger: one key forward will be out at least replacing Charlie Curnow. However, our emergencies should play.
Is that the second game for the season?
I'm looking forward to it.
Pies in the oven, hot dogs on the stove... for Saturday and Sunday. Monday, 3 hour work-out to burn off all that cr@p!!
Pies in the oven, hot dogs on the stove... for Saturday and Sunday. Monday, 3 hour work-out to burn off all that cr@p!!
About an hour on the exercise bike going pretty solidly usually burns off about 500 cals! For me anyway.
Interesting how when Everitt plays in the magoos any chance the media dept gets, or senior coach, they pump up his tyres. Have heard he is well liked by certain people at the club. A polarising figure it would seem because many find his lack of physicality/intensity/effort very frustrating.
Interesting how when Everitt plays in the magoos any chance the media dept gets, or senior coach, they pump up his tyres. Have heard he is well liked by certain people at the club. A polarising figure it would seem because many find his lack of physicality/intensity/effort very frustrating.
if Gibbs can change his ways vis a vis intensity/effort etc surely Everitt can too? Well, he must if he wants to keep playing at Carlton....
Interesting how when Everitt plays in the magoos any chance the media dept gets, or senior coach, they pump up his tyres. Have heard he is well liked by certain people at the club. A polarising figure it would seem because many find his lack of physicality/intensity/effort very frustrating.
The payoff would be handsome if Everitt could drop his bad habits as his good attributes, especially his goal kicking, are areas we lack. I can understand then why some at the club like him, especially those who think he can be developed into what we want him to be. I hope it turns out that way BUT............?
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WERRIBEE v NORTHERN BLUES
Sunday 31st July,
Avalon Airport Oval, 11:40am
WERRIBEE
B: 34. J Tippett 91. L Hansen 27. E Petterwood
HB: 39. M Hibberd 26. D Nielson 42. D Mountford
C: 37. W Fordham 11. M Hanson 10. J Maishman
HF: 3. M Sodomaco 22. S Durdin 41. C Wagner
F: 51. R Nahas 18. J Porter 23. B McKay
R: 38. M Daw 4. T Gribble 33. E Vickers-Willis
Int: 24. M Munro 28. M Brett 15. B Iles 25. D McFarlane 48. N Meredith 31. B Preuss 56. R Barrack 7. J Jones
23P 62. J Corbett
NORTHERN BLUES
B: 26. M Dick 31. J Foster 4. S Russell
HB: 38. B Gowers 48. K Jaksch 34. J Glass-McCasker
C: 76. J Tutt 1. T Wilson 65. D Viojo
HF: 51. J Lamb 14. L Jones 23. H Kerbatieh
F: 67. C Smith 19. H McKay 10. T Totevski
R: 36. C Wood 42. M Whiley 60. D Cuningham
Int: 18. D Gorringe 6. G Strachan 80. M Korcheck 37. T Jones 50. B Jordan 21. C Barrett 22. D Aujla 12. Z Ballard
23P: 35. K Declase
Wood plays his 100th VFL game: pretty impressive in its own way. He has had a journey. The Carlton phase will probably end at the end of the season, but....
This is also mentioned as being the 1st time all year that Cuningham has played 3 games in a row. That doesn't include the pre-season, but it does say something about why he hasn't progressed as quickly as we could hope.
It is quite possible that Harry McKay could play on his twin, even though they are named at opposite ends of the ground.
Majak Daw must be thinking himself pretty stiff: take mark of the year and actually looks dangerous (not saying he was dangerous) and he gets dropped! Maybe Clem Smith will out-do him this week. :))
Liam Jones must have also managed to walk under a few ladders, break heaps of mirrors and walk by black cats in job lots: how he didn't get picked in front of Everitt amazes me. But then, what do I know?
WERRIBEE v NORTHERN BLUES
Sunday 31st July
Avalon Airport Oval, 2:40 PM
WERRIBEE
B: 59. B Houlihan 30. T Holman 67. B Kennedy
HB: 61. H Kershaw 64. J Williams 19. N Laracy
C: 15. B Iles 25. D McFarlane 54. B Mahony
HF: 65. J Malthouse 28. M Brett 24. M Munro
F: 56. R Barrack 16. M Vandenberg 7. J Jones
R: 58. A Daw 42. D Mountford 41. C Wagner
Int: J Laird 68. T Button 47. M Pickering D Brew 31. B Preuss C McPherson M Clarke S Mannagh 60. Q Butt 38. M Daw
NORTHERN BLUES
B: 84. M Vesnaver 50. B Jordan 54. C McCabe
HB: 22. D Aujla 41. J Cripps 24. T Roos
C: 6. G Strachan 12. Z Ballard 25. A Brown
HF: 45. D Stevens 70. S Peet 77. L Hickey
F: 53. H Payne 30. S Bolger 9. J Corboy
R: 73. A Aurrichio 21. C Barrett 37. T Jones
Int: 82. D Iermano 5. J Cyster 75. C Le Favi 61. S Glover 13. C Adams 74. B Malual 55. W Krithararis 78. M Walson 6. M Dawson 64. L Jacques
How many Daws do they have?
Josh Fraser kicked a lazy 11 goals for Tatyoon yesterday :o Perhaps he should think about having a run as playing coach ;)
Slowish start by the NBs. Is it me or is Ben alot bigger than his twin or Harry? We have H listed at 195, Norf have Ben listed at 199. Looks thicker in the body and legs also.
I heard someone from the club say Harry is at 202 cms. Harry would have been restricted by his back injury from putting on any major size.
Liking the sound of 202cm much better , add a few kgs and add water instant forward , we hope
No reward for NB tackling.
The more I see of Kerbetieh, the more I like.
Dick hammy
No push out to Korcheck in the ruck?
Can't see a lot putting their hands up saying 'Pick me!!'
Commentators very critical of our midfield defensive efforts.
Can see a lot putting their hands up saying 'Pick me!!'
Can or can't?
Score?
Can or can't?
Corrected! Tq
It's good to see the poor decision making, constant miskicks and limited forward structure plague the Northern Blues as well.
Based on todays performance, any notion of seeing Harry M in the 1s anytime soon should be well and truly put to bed. His brother on the other hand...
While the delivery hasn't been good, today's game has confirmed that Jones and Jaksch aren't going to be the answer as key forwards.
Based on todays performance, any notion of seeing Harry M in the 1s anytime soon should be well and truly put to bed. His brother on the other hand...
......and posters are calling for his inclusion!!
......posters are calling for his inclusion!!
And those posters are smarter than others. He's had 2 good games out of 3. Why wouldn't you give him a run for experience against Brisbane or Essendon. Nothing like a bit of experience at the top end even if he hardly gets a kick. Can only help.
While the delivery hasn't been good, today's game has confirmed that Jones and Jaksch aren't going to be the answer as key forwards.
Jaksch had a good game today, remembering he played at both ends of the ground, not so much as a full time key forward. He's had a good VFL why wouldn't he make a valuable player down the track given he's 21 and still developing. Might even be in defence.
You thought he wasn't much chop when he got 20 touches and 4 goals. Makes one wonder about an agenda.
Dick hammy
Sounds painful.
Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Werribee 6.3 10.9 14.13 25.15 (165)
Northern Blues 4.4 9.6 12.8 15.12 (102)
GOALS:
Werribee: Durdin 4 Daw 4 Fordham 2 Wagner 2 Hanson 2 McKay 2 Maishman 2 Corbett 2 Nahas Jones McFarlane Conway Mountford
Northern Blues: Kerbatieh 5 Jaksch 2 Smith 2 Wilson Wood Totevski Tutt Whiley Lamb
BEST:
Werribee: McFarlane Gribble Mountford Fordham Hanson Sodomaco
Northern Blues: Wilson Kerbatieh Whiley Jones Jaksch Tutt
9 goals to 3 in the last quarter was particularly poor. Definitely a big step backwards today.
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And those posters are smarter than others. He's had 2 good games out of 3. Why wouldn't you give him a run for experience against Brisbane or Essendon. Nothing like a bit of experience at the top end even if he hardly gets a kick. Can only help.
No, he hasn't had two good games out of three; he has scored some opportunistic goals but hasn't had enough of the ball or been anywhere consistent enough to justify selection. If he can be completely shut down by a VFL defender, he would be at the mercy of any ordinary AFL player.
McKay is really showing the effects of a long time out of footy. His brother is bigger, stronger, fitter and having a greater impact. He lacks Harry's football nous though.
Bolton knows the importance of confidence and earning promotion and Harry will have to show dramatic improvement to make his debut this season.
Jaksch had a good game today, remembering he played at both ends of the ground, not so much as a full time key forward. He's had a good VFL why wouldn't he make a valuable player down the track given he's 21 and still developing. Might even be in defence.
You thought he wasn't much chop when he got 20 touches and 4 goals. Makes one wonder about an agenda.
I'd love Jaksch to come good. A versatile tall would make such a difference to our team but Jaksch hasn't shown that he's that player yet. As others have pointed out, his lack of flexibility seems to limit his work once the ball hits the ground. He takes some good marks but gets out marked too often and he doesn't spoil effectively. Unless he can become less one-dimensional, I can't see him making the grade.
The game I watched live was NBs vs Box Hill and Jaksch kicked 4 goals and had 13 disposals. However, his effort and consistency was poor and we relied on Phillips and Jones as our key forwards. Silvagni kicked 4 goals too but hardly got a touch in the first half. I didn't have him in my best players either.
I can't help thinking that SOS would have not been keen to let Jaksch go if he'd shown the potential that we thought he had.
LAJ old son it would seem you have purchased a number of tickets in the KJ fan club!
Can't see him ever making it as a key forward for all the reasons many have stated. If he was to make it at AFL level I can only see that being as a defender but even then he's only shown something down back for the magoos as he plays loose in defence - can pick his contests. How would he go with being accountable to an opponent?
So disappointing to see the NBs fold up in the second half... and you can only point the finger at the midfield. Whiley tried hard as did Wilson. Tutt was busy but sheesh, Rainbow and Cuningham in particular were so ordinary. And hard to see Lamb strengthening his case for a recall to the seniors.
Just woeful today IMO...wasnt even the real deal AFL players that towelled us..ex VFL cats in Gribble and Mcfarlane pantsed us all day, liked the look of Sam Durdin...why is it he can kick straight with a nice kicking action and look like a footballer yet our senior forwards and VFL hackers like Jones look like they have been plucked from some local suburban soccer team and never seen a football before...
10-15 players need chopping..its time the likes of Simpson, Docherty, Cripps etc had some real decent footballers to play with instead of the garbage we have on the list masquerading as AFL standard players......
I said when they were drafted that Ben would end up the better player, although probably not the fairest time to reflect on that prediction, with the injury time Harry has had. I think the truth of my prediction is still to be determined.
And those posters are smarter than others. He's had 2 good games out of 3. Why wouldn't you give him a run for experience against Brisbane or Essendon. Nothing like a bit of experience at the top end even if he hardly gets a kick. Can only help.
Turn it up mate, he couldn't get a kick or mark in Auskick game on todays effort/performance. Did you watch the feckin thing? He is a long way away from playing ones. Anyone who thinks otherwise has rocks in their head.
I said when they were drafted that Ben would end up the better player, although probably not the fairest time to reflect on that prediction, with the injury time Harry has had. I think the truth of my prediction is still to be determined.
Harry looks like a player with little preseason and a crook back and to be fair to him he hasnt got much to play with in the NB's as far as quality service....Harry reminds me of Travis Cloke and I think he will become a power forward who might take a bit more time but be a cornerstone player.
Ben has it easier playing with a more talented cohesive team and he probably has a bit more agro and spite about his game and he displays plenty of confidence.....Sam Durdin was the one who impressed me...classy finisher and capable below his knees....its funny how some clubs try for years to acquire KP players but other clubs like Nth just pick them up with ease...
Just woeful today IMO...wasnt even the real deal AFL players that towelled us..ex VFL cats in Gribble and Mcfarlane pantsed us all day, liked the look of Sam Durdin...why is it he can kick straight with a nice kicking action and look like a footballer yet our senior forwards and VFL hackers like Jones look like they have been plucked from some local suburban soccer team and never seen a football before...
10-15 players need chopping..its time the likes of Simpson, Docherty, Cripps etc had some real decent footballers to play with instead of the garbage we have on the list masquerading as AFL standard players......
I admit to being very frustrated. They few times we have managed to get on TV and we've screwed up badly each time. It is almost enough to want us NOT to be televised if we are going to produce rubbish like that.
I have been watching my recording of the game as I was out for most of the day. I am glad I did not see it live.
Some statistics that came up through the game:
Northern Blues are bottom of the tackle list. Stone motherless last. In the first quarter we tackled like we meant it. Then what happened?
Centre Clearances: Can't remember which number we were, but it was bottom 3.
Contested Ball: Also hopeless.
Considering how these things are strengths for the seniors, how come they are so bad in the NBs?
Development League:
Werribee 9.7.61, Northern Blues 9.13.67
GOALS: Brown 2, Cyster 2, Corboy, Stevens, Bolger, Jacques, Barrett.
DISPOSALS: Roos 35, Cripps 28, Ballard 27, Stevens 26, Brown 21, Jacques 21
Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Werribee 6.3 10.9 14.13 25.15 (165)
Northern Blues 4.4 9.6 12.8 15.12 (102)
GOALS:
Werribee: Durdin 4 Daw 4 Fordham 2 Wagner 2 Hanson 2 McKay 2 Maishman 2 Corbett 2 Nahas Jones McFarlane Conway Mountford
Northern Blues: Kerbatieh 5 Jaksch 2 Smith 2 Wilson Wood Totevski Tutt Whiley Lamb
BEST:
Werribee: McFarlane Gribble Mountford Fordham Hanson Sodomaco
Northern Blues: Wilson Kerbatieh Whiley Jones Jaksch Tutt
9 goals to 3 in the last quarter was particularly poor. Definitely a big step backwards today.
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GOALS: Kerbatieh 5, Smith 2, Jaksch 2, Lamb, Wilson, Whiley, Tutt, Wood, Totevski.
DISPOSALS: Wilson 28, Whiley 25, T. Jones 25, Kerbatieh 22, Strachan 21, Tutt 20
Lamb was good early, but he fell out of the game totally.
Hamstring to Dick may finish his season.
Whiley was very good early, but couldn't keep it up.
We were competitive for three quarters but didn't really show up after three quarter time.
To borrow Bolton's phrase, there were green shoots from Cuningham and Skittles. Smith showed that his best is outstanding but I think it's too little too late. Whiley was good and Gowers was OK.
Kerbatiah continues to impress and I'd be annoyed if another club snagged him before we can.
We were competitive for three quarters but didn't really show up after three quarter time.
To borrow Bolton's phrase, there were green shoots from Cuningham and Skittles. Smith showed that his best is outstanding but I think it's too little too late. Whiley was good and Gowers was OK.
Kerbatiah continues to impress and I'd be annoyed if another club snagged him before we can.
That pretty much summarises it.
We were competitive for three quarters but didn't really show up after three quarter time.
To borrow Bolton's phrase, there were green shoots from Cuningham and Skittles. Smith showed that his best is outstanding but I think it's too little too late. Whiley was good and Gowers was OK.
Kerbatiah continues to impress and I'd be annoyed if another club snagged him before we can.
The commentators said that SOS put Kerbatiah in the NBs as a potential rookie pick. He might get snapped up before we get a chance, though.
And those posters are smarter than others. He's had 2 good games out of 3. Why wouldn't you give him a run for experience against Brisbane or Essendon. Nothing like a bit of experience at the top end even if he hardly gets a kick. Can only help.
Like to see the evidence of 'two good games'!!! Freezing on the terraces at Ikon against Footscray, I didn't notice a 'good game'. He got a couple of touches but that was it.
8 possessions the week before isn't actually tearing it up either!!!
He simply is not ready. His brother with an uninterrupted seasons shows the value of continuity.
......and some posters want him in the seniors!!!
We were competitive for three quarters but didn't really show up after three quarter time.
To borrow Bolton's phrase, there were green shoots from Cuningham and Skittles. Smith showed that his best is outstanding but I think it's too little too late. Whiley was good and Gowers was OK.
Kerbatiah continues to impress and I'd be annoyed if another club snagged him before we can.
Fair enough.
No, he hasn't had two good games out of three; he has scored some opportunistic goals but hasn't had enough of the ball or been anywhere consistent enough to justify selection. If he can be completely shut down by a VFL defender, he would be at the mercy of any ordinary AFL player.
McKay is really showing the effects of a long time out of footy. His brother is bigger, stronger, fitter and having a greater impact. He lacks Harry's football nous though.
Bolton knows the importance of confidence and earning promotion and Harry will have to show dramatic improvement to make his debut this season.
I am tipping he will play the last game of the year against a bruised and battered Bombers, hopefully kick 2 or 3, and get the taste in his mouth. May make his pre-season work just a little more focussed......
I am tipping he will play the last game of the year against a bruised and battered Bombers, hopefully kick 2 or 3, and get the taste in his mouth. May make his pre-season work just a little more focussed......
That's my take on it too. He had no impact on the game yesterday and looked quite lost at times. Personally, and this'll get howled down, but I would bring him in sooner and give him at least 2 games to taste what it's like.
Cuningham is a conundrum... once the pressure is on he just goes missing, no imposing of himself on the contest... reminds me of too many we've recruited over the past decade or more. Hopefully he just needs more time to regain match fitness.
That's my take on it too. He had no impact on the game yesterday and looked quite lost at times. Personally, and this'll get howled down, but I would bring him in sooner and give him at least 2 games to taste what it's like.
Cuningham is a conundrum... once the pressure is on he just goes missing, no imposing of himself on the contest... reminds me of too many we've recruited over the past decade or more. Hopefully he just needs more time to regain match fitness.
I guess we will see if the MC think this is a good idea or not in the coming weeks. Generally though, if the big fellas aren't ready, they aren't ready and don't get a gig until they are. I just don't see the need to rush this kid in given his limited game time and training this year. Its a marathon not a sprint kiddies.
Cuningham is a kid.....plain stupid trying to assess him this year. especially given injury hiccups.
McKay, Curnow, Weitering, Cuningham and Silvagni have all had injuries this year.
Hopefully, this has them stronger mentally and physically as time goes on, and also to become more resilient men and footballers.
On McKay and Cuningham, it does not bother me in the slightest if they do not play AFL this year. In fact, they probably shouldn't. They'll be better off for playing weekly footy without interruption and then getting stuck into another preseason. Same for the others.
Calling these kids out thus far, especially when some have missed large chunks of footy and conditioning is silly.
I'm not worried. Let's look at the again this time next year with what will hopefully be uninterrupted footy for them all.
Unfortunately, the previous draftees in DVR, Smith and Foster seem to be fizzing. Maybe we might rookie list some of them?
Just woeful today IMO...wasnt even the real deal AFL players that towelled us..ex VFL cats in Gribble and Mcfarlane pantsed us all day, liked the look of Sam Durdin...why is it he can kick straight with a nice kicking action and look like a footballer yet our senior forwards and VFL hackers like Jones look like they have been plucked from some local suburban soccer team and never seen a football before...
10-15 players need chopping..its time the likes of Simpson, Docherty, Cripps etc had some real decent footballers to play with instead of the garbage we have on the list masquerading as AFL standard players......
Agreed!!!
McKay, Curnow, Weitering, Cuningham and Silvagni have all had injuries this year.
Hopefully, this has them stronger mentally and physically as time goes on, and also to become more resilient men and footballers.
On McKay and Cuningham, it does not bother me in the slightest if they do not play AFL this year. In fact, they probably shouldn't. They'll be better off for playing weekly footy without interruption and then getting stuck into another preseason. Same for the others.
Calling these kids out thus far, especially when some have missed large chunks of footy and conditioning is silly.
I'm not worried. Let's look at the again this time next year with what will hopefully be uninterrupted footy for them all.
Unfortunately, the previous draftees in DVR, Smith and Foster seem to be fizzing. Maybe we might rookie list some of them?
Agree...McKay, C.Curnow and Cunningham need another season before they can be judged and McKay probably needs another couple.....seen enough of Charlie to know he will make it anyway...
DVR, Smith and Foster are delist material IMO ...
There are some very, very ordinary players in that NB team. They also appear to lack strong leadership from the older VFL players. This is typified by undisciplined acts and lapses during games. While the senior team has a focus on playing better for longer, the VFL side continues to be inconsistent and at times insipid.
There are some very, very ordinary players in that NB team. They also appear to lack strong leadership from the older VFL players. This is typified by undisciplined acts and lapses during games. While the senior team has a focus on playing better for longer, the VFL side continues to be inconsistent and at times insipid.
Very true.
The club should put some effort into recruiting a couple of experienced on field leaders to help with the development of the youngsters and settle things down when necessary. I suppose we tried that with Kieran McGuinness but his unfortunate neck injury ended that part of his involvement.
It could be a good opportunity for recently retired AFL players who want a pathway to coaching and still have the ability and desire to play VFL.
Very true.
The club should put some effort into recruiting a couple of experienced on field leaders to help with the development of the youngsters and settle things down when necessary. I suppose we tried that with Kieran McGuinness but his unfortunate neck injury ended that part of his involvement.
It could be a good opportunity for recently retired AFL players who want a pathway to coaching and still have the ability and desire to play VFL.
Jordan Russell doing a good job leading the baby doggies.
The northern blues go alright. Strikes me that they don't have the depth of talent in the non-AFL listed players and are reliant on Tutt / Whiley / Graham. When those guys are out or off they struggle. Otherwise they're alright.
I thought DVR showed enough again to think he's worth a crack in the 1s. Beautiful kick - defensive running not great. Needs one hellish preseason next year to see if he can build up a tank.
Jaksch took some really nice contested marks but needs to put lots of weight on.
Big American could be good. Foster looks ok. Cunningham looks like he's not right and shouldn't be playing. Gowers is a goer.
Smith, Jones, Tutt and Whiley certainly in some trouble for next season - paying out a couple of contracts could be an option.
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Some of this is telling:
[1] Note how many NB players were at the bottom end of the points tally. 12 out of the bottom 16, including 8 Carlton listed players.
[2] Cuningham has 20 possessions: very much a positive for him.
[3] 6 possessions each for Glass-McCasker and Foster. I think we'll keep Glass-McCasker, but Foster has probably done his dash.
[4] Lamb got 13 possessions and did OK when he get it, but he really needs to get more of the pill.
Very true.
The club should put some effort into recruiting a couple of experienced on field leaders to help with the development of the youngsters and settle things down when necessary. I suppose we tried that with Kieran McGuinness but his unfortunate neck injury ended that part of his involvement.
It could be a good opportunity for recently retired AFL players who want a pathway to coaching and still have the ability and desire to play VFL.
McGuinness has had a terrible run with injury. He was a great level head and an excellent example to follow: his injury hurt us a lot more than would be expected simply because we are a very young and inexperienced team.
We badly need a few other experienced players like him, or Jordan Russell, who can stand when the chips are down and show the way.
Jamo could have been someone like that this year but for his issues. He just hasn't been able to get on the park.
The northern blues go alright. Strikes me that they don't have the depth of talent in the non-AFL listed players and are reliant on Tutt / Whiley / Graham. When those guys are out or off they struggle. Otherwise they're alright.
I thought DVR showed enough again to think he's worth a crack in the 1s. Beautiful kick - defensive running not great. Needs one hellish preseason next year to see if he can build up a tank.
Jaksch took some really nice contested marks but needs to put lots of weight on.
Big American could be good. Foster looks ok. Cunningham looks like he's not right and shouldn't be playing. Gowers is a goer.
Smith, Jones, Tutt and Whiley certainly in some trouble for next season - paying out a couple of contracts could be an option.
Go alright??.. ....they got hammered by 10 goals...... ::) hate to see them when they are going bad....
Tom Wilson is probably their most consistent player and he isnt a listed player
Foster looks ok???...... Dogs ignored him as a father/son.....reckon they got that right...
You can add DVR to Smith, Jones, Tutt, Whiley, Dick, Wood, Boekhorst...
Gowers is ok as is JGM ...
Cunningham and McKay need to be seen as 1st year players next season..