We have to beat the Drug Cheats!
We were NOT in the game from the go get. As we've seen repeatedly this year,that means we lose.... Very disappointed indeed, although we were handicapped without the likes of Murphy and with the likes of Daisy and Jones (hi mick - mission accomplished).
The young guns showed some glimmers today. Weiters, Jack, and Cunningham were fantastic.
Go SoS - over to you....
We were NOT in the game from the go get. As we've seen repeatedly this year,that means we lose.... Very disappointed indeed, although we were handicapped without the likes of Murphy and with the likes of Daisy and Jones (hi mick - mission accomplished).
The young guns showed some glimmers today. Weiters, Jack, and Cunningham were fantastic.
Go SoS - over to you....
Can't use the excuse of Murphy, they had half their team out! ::)
Disgraceful. Bolton hasn't improved us much at all.
Can't recall the last time that an opposition side had two or three men loose on the wings of the MCG all day?
Brendan Bolton was slaughtered today.
As I just said in the in game thread, the Club are fully aware of all the problems that we have.
Expect 10-12 players to be given the boot.
They will be very proactive in the draft and trade period.
The view is that it will take another year of pain next year continuing the rebuild, and then it is hoped we are competitive enough to reach the 8 in year 3.
Malthouse stuffed us. Be patient.
Sickening scenes (and gushing) in the aftermatch >:(
Still... the only ones to blame are us for allowing such a result.
Aaaaaaaand the last kick of season 2016 is a shot at goal by Levi Casboult which goes out on the full. Probably sums it up really.
As I just said in the in game thread, the Club are fully aware of all the problems that we have.
Expect 10-12 players to be given the boot.
They will be very proactive in the draft and trade period.
The view is that it will take another year of pain next year continuing the rebuild, and then it is hoped we are competitive enough to reach the 8 in year 3.
Malthouse stuffed us. Be patient.
Who do you think will be shown the door?
Any clues on where we are at with Mitchell or Omeara??
Malthouse stuffed us. Be patient.
Scapegoats are always convenient, we've been stuffed since 2001.
As I just said in the in game thread, the Club are fully aware of all the problems that we have.
Expect 10-12 players to be given the boot.
They will be very proactive in the draft and trade period.
The view is that it will take another year of pain next year continuing the rebuild, and then it is hoped we are competitive enough to reach the 8 in year 3.
Malthouse stuffed us. Be patient.
Too true Bignic, looking forward to a very active trade period, would be many nervous players about right now. Looking forward to the rumours flowing
Our players are better than their players, Bolton was outcoached.
Our players are better than their players, Bolton was outcoached.
Player work rate was the primary issue but two runs of 5 or 6 goals suggest there is an element of truth there
Too true Bignic, looking forward to a very active trade period, would be many nervous players about right now. Looking forward to the rumours flowing
Bring on Navy Andrew! ;D
No improvement beaten by the bottom two teams, one good win over Geelong but we only caught a couple of teams that don't rate us by surprise. Lions and dons got a sniff and got the wins. Nothing in 2s maybe McKay, long long way to go
Who do you think will be shown the door?
Any clues on where we are at with Mitchell or Omeara??
You'll find out soon enough who gets the boot. Won't put anything here.
Mitchell doesn't want to come. Steve Trigg would love O'meara, but there is resistance from others because he'd be a huge risk with his wonky knee, hasn't played for two years, and would cost too much.
I reckon 100/1 to come to us, unless we can get him cheap.
Our main aim is to get key position players. Harry Mackay is at least a year away from filling the position for which we got him. Has to come through pre-season unscathed and will be taken along slowly from what I'm told. Doesn't mean he won't get a game next year, he will, but his body is still filling out and he's at least 12 months away from fulfilling his potential.
I know it's hard, I'm in my 60's and want to see another flag before I Kark it. But, like everyone else, we have to be patient.
If Brisbane gets thumped tomorrow and therefore rips the wooden spoon out of EFC's grasp, we'll look at this loss as a godsend. The last thing we want is for the Bombers to have 1st pick in the PSD.
And we provide Essendon with yet another highlight of another season.....un-friggin-believable.
Nick Graham.....no thanks.
Levi Casboult.....no thanks.
Dylan Buckley.....no thanks.
Shameful display by the defensive half of the ground.....simply disgraceful. Sam Rowe played as badly as I've seen any AFL footballer play this year.....or possibly ever - back to his spuddly best today was Sam.
Not a single positive can come from this game......not a single one. The few players who had a crack are not a positive, as that's what's expected of an AFL footballer in the first place.
Putrid in every way imaginable......fancy finishing a season, supposedly filled with so much promise, like this.
What a shi!ful day for the Club.....glad I don't have to front up to watch them again this year....I need a break as much as they were already on theirs today.....
We started the year with a loss to this mob (at Visy Park back in Feb) and we've finished with one......oh the joy.
And we provide Essendon with yet another highlight of another season.....un-friggin-believable.
Nick Graham.....no thanks.
Levi Casboult.....no thanks.
Dylan Buckley.....no thanks.
Shameful display by the defensive half of the ground.....simply disgraceful. Sam Rowe played as badly as I've seen any AFL footballer play this year.....or possibly ever - back to his spuddly best today was Sam.
Not a single positive can come from this game......not a single one. The few players who had a crack are not a positive, as that's what's expected of an AFL footballer in the first place.
Putrid in every way imaginable......fancy finishing a season, supposedly filled with so much promise, like this.
What a shi!ful day for the Club.....glad I don't have to front up to watch them again this year....I need a break as much as they were already on theirs today.....
We started the year with a loss to this mob (at Visy Park back in Feb) and we've finished with one......oh the joy.
Agree an absolute disgrace.
On the players you listed. Agree on casboult and graham, Buckley I believe has great talent and can be turned around.
Can't recall the last time that an opposition side had two or three men loose on the wings of the MCG all day?
Brendan Bolton was slaughtered today.
StK A few weeks ago.
And we provide Essendon with yet another highlight of another season.....un-friggin-believable.
Nick Graham.....no thanks.
Levi Casboult.....no thanks.
Dylan Buckley.....no thanks.
Shameful display by the defensive half of the ground.....simply disgraceful. Sam Rowe played as badly as I've seen any AFL footballer play this year.....or possibly ever - back to his spuddly best today was Sam.
Not a single positive can come from this game......not a single one. The few players who had a crack are not a positive, as that's what's expected of an AFL footballer in the first place.
Putrid in every way imaginable......fancy finishing a season, supposedly filled with so much promise, like this.
What a shi!ful day for the Club.....glad I don't have to front up to watch them again this year....I need a break as much as they were already on theirs today.....
We started the year with a loss to this mob (at Visy Park back in Feb) and we've finished with one......oh the joy.
Buckley will make it, seen enough layer in the year. Run, hardness, speed and can really kick a goal. Just needs consistency. Casboult just signed and we need him while young one's develop. Took 7 marks and wasn't the worst but he best be kicking at goals all summer until his leg drops off. His marking is great, his goal kicking is deplorable.
Take away the 6 wins from 7 games we won one of the last 15. Thaat is $hit, don't care how much we are re-building. 6 from 7 showed we should be better. Once again our p1ss weak on field culture reared it's ugly head. How many time do we see this side simply not turn up or give up. We can change the players all we want, don't change our on-field attitude and culture then it won't matter.
Our players are better than their players, Bolton was outcoached.
Got him in the gun MBB?
That loss tells me we are further away from where we need to be than I thought. Either that or our blokes just didnt give a feck today and were already thinking of the break. To lose against a side cobbled together that would get beaten by most of the VFL sides in the comp is an utter disgrace. How that happened is beyond me. Feck reset, the REBUILD starts now as far as Im concerned. Feck trading or JOM or Prestia or Fyfe or whoever the hell is available. Go to the draft and pick kids and build from the ground up. No more retreads, no more broken hacks, no more retirement village testers, its Kindergarden time.
Cue was firmly placed in the rack today but the axe is about to be fetched out of the shed on that perormance. Could they have been any worse, especially v. the Bummers?
It's peculiar how W/L pans out. I'm left wondering if my tipping has been a hoodoo for the boys.. :-[
I tip us when we play lowly sorts (lions, drug cheats) and we lose.
I tip against us when we're up against the in-form sides (cats, Melbourne) and we win.
Know where I can get tipping advice ^-^, or perhaps I should opt out.
Bring on the draft and bring in some class.
Go Blues
Just too many ordinary players running around for us;
Casboult signs a new contract and then dishes up that crap? WTF? Is this how you pay back a club for showing faith?
Thomas... a total liability...so cooked that the BBQ is black and crispy... please retire, please we're begging you.
Graham... too slow, falls over , can't stick a tackle and awful with ball in hand... not hard enough to play inside, too slow and not good enough with ball in hand to play outside. Delist.
Jones... its all been said before... a trier at best.
Armfield... another trier who just doesn't impact often enough.
Kruezer... all heart and effort, little impact.
Touhy... not a defender's a-hole; Byrne is 10 times the player this bloke is.
I don't think he is worth pick #5 but I'm warming to Patrick Kerr - we need a smart forward that demands the ball from the ball carrier ( directs it to where he wants it) who can then go back and finish the job. Casboult and Jones run around like headless chooks and need to take pack marks to win the ball, then they burn 3 out of 4 shots on goal.
Buckley will make it, seen enough layer in the year. Run, hardness, speed and can really kick a goal. Just needs consistency.
Buckley was in Docherty's draft, he does some starry things but does just as many dopey things and goes missing for extended periods in games.
We've got plenty to delist in the queue and he's not near the front but I fear we'll still be talking about his potential in two or three years from now.
There are half a dozen in the magoos who will be cut and there's a limit to how many AFL standard footballers you can pick up in any one year, Buckley, Casboult, Graham, Rowe, Sumner, White, Jones and Armfield are probably safe although none of them would get a game in a Premiership team.
4 goal loss in the end, but it felt like 10.
They will get a lot of good players back next season and their belief that they can challenge for finals is not entirely unjustified.
Meh, I said we would lose. They had more to play for (pride) and it showed. Many guys stat chased today and got caught out.
I don't think it was a Bolton thing, just a lazy attitude thing.
We finish with pick 4/5 and can turn over some absolute suburban footballers on our list.
We can get hung up about it being Essendon but who cares. They done themselves out of a number 1 pick.
4 goal loss in the end, but it felt like 10.
They will get a lot of good players back next season and their belief that they can challenge for finals is not entirely unjustified.
They'll be well ahead of us that's for sure!
Losing like we did today is corrosive for the soul - like swallowing a litre of turned battery acid.
Bombers know if they hard enough we will fold up, we just have too many physically and mentally weak players...today was pathetic, they are rubbish and we couldnt handle them.
Scary thing is next season they will be better when they get their dirty dozen -1 back....unless we get some more muscle who can play into the team we will be fodder for them again...
I guess though its shows who needs to be culled and its a long list....
Oh well. I stopped caring after the 10 minute mark of the third quarter. Spent the rest of the game calming down my old man who was really cross.
The lack of work rate really stood out today, followed closely by a lack of run and pace. Similar problems, in that the inability or unwillingness to get to a good position will cancel out any advantage in skill. And we dont have much in the way of skill.
Some players for the future include cunningham, who looked comfortable out there in the second half, making good position and getting involved. Our other first year players continue to promise and deliver. Docherty and gibbs had so so games today, so with cripps carrying such a load, we were undermanned through the middle. We actually missed curnow today. His defensive efforts are important, even if his disposal remains inconsistent.
The lack of forward pressure today stood out as a failing. Sumner was way off the pace, and the undynamic duo of casboult and jones made it difficult. Wright performed well and was rewarded with 3 goals. But overall, the forwards have little ability to create space and maintain shape.
We are kidding ourselves if we think that the likes of buckley and casboult are part of our future in any serious way. Buckley is not as quick as he thinks he is, nor can stick tackles as he is too slight. His kick high and slow into the fwd 50 in the second quarter was schoolboy stuff. Casboult, aside from his appalling skills, simply doesn't work hard enough.
Thomas may as well retire, and it is difficult to see him getting many games next year if he stays on.
We have so little depth in the seconds that we must cross fingers and toes for our intake this draft and next to come good. For the awful drafting and development of the past decade was on show today.
We can get hung up about it being Essendon but who cares. They done themselves out of a number 1 pick.
Have they done themselves a lot of harm if they lose pick 1?
Is there a standout?
Pick 2 is probably as good as pick 1
PSD may be a different story. We'll have to wait and see what's available.
Spent the rest of the game calming down my old man who was really cross.
Us Oldies are as "mad as hell"!
We're no certainty to see another flag :(
On the bright side - for those who are passionate about the old Vic rivalries,
Syd v Tiggers 100 - 12 with half a game to go....
And the 12 points come from 20 odd inside 50's
Go on smile, you know you want to ;) we'll all feel a little lighter in a week.
Well, that's enough moping. Now!, who's for the chop! >:D
........................
We can get hung up about it being Essendon but who cares. They done themselves out of a number 1 pick.
I'd take an Essendon victory over pick 1 any day of the week.
We already have three of the buggers - handy players, but hardly the stuff of dreams.
Us Oldies are as "mad as hell"!
We're no certainty to see another flag :(
C'mon Lods, it's an incentive to keep living!
If the last 15 years has taught us anything is that today was a forgone conclusion and was always going to happen.
Has there ever been a club able to disappoint their fans than Carlton outside of Richmond?
It's days like today that make me embarrassed to follow this once great club. We're an absolute joke. I hope SOS and Bolton start the delisting process straight after that game. I don't give a sh*t who is shown the door outside of Cripps, Docherty, Silvagni and Weitering. The rest can go and get f*cked.
Kreuzer - Absolute joke and embarrasses himself week in week out. Shocked that he was taken and number one. Most uncordinated player in teh AFL and that includes player like Port's Butcher.
Kerridge - My God, does he have any redeeming feature? Turn over merchant extraordinaire
Jones - Faaaaaarrrrkkkk!
Rowe - FFFFAAAARRRRKKKK!
Graham - What does he provide out side of slipping over and one paced nothingness?
Thomas - Thanks Malthouse, you pr*ck!
Casboult - I used to like this bloke, but I'm over the misses from 25 metres out directly in front. If you can't improve after being on the list for 6 or 7 years, there is no hope for you. F*ck off! Pity we just re-signed him.... FFFFFAAAARRRKKK!!!!
We're a joke, and there will be another 5 years of this, mark my words. We are the new St Kilda of the 80's and Melbourne of the last 10 years.
Meh, I said we would lose. They had more to play for (pride) and it showed. Many guys stat chased today and got caught out.
I don't think it was a Bolton thing, just a lazy attitude thing.
We finish with pick 4/5 and can turn over some absolute suburban footballers on our list.
We can get hung up about it being Essendon but who cares. They done themselves out of a number 1 pick.
In this even draft its probably not such a big deal anyway having No 1 pick...its not about losing either, its the pathetic way we get bullied, and how they know we are scared and lack confidence when playing them......they have got us bluffed and it wouldnt matter if they had 40 players suspended we would still be rattled by the sight of the red and black jumper...its embarrassing losing to them in the state they are in.....
From today's match, Graham, Jones, Thomas and Armfield. Gone
Walker and Jammo. Retired.
Tutt, Wood, Smith, Foster, Dick, Gorridge, Everitt. Move on
Elevate Jesse Glass and the two Irish.
There is a difference between who we think SHOULD be axed and who can practically be dumped.
You could name another 6 who should go....but it doesn't work like that.
And to think we had only 1 player in today's NBs game good enough for elevation to the senior side (NBs defeated by cheats.com.au by about 67 pts).
The boys were just very happy with themselves after last week. And it showed!! They showed what they should have done all day in the last quarter. Bloody disgraceful and disrespectful of the members and coaching staff.
Are we the only team to lose to Brisbane AND Essendon this year??? I'd say so.......
C'mon Lods, it's an incentive to keep living!
Yeah but talk about a Catch-22 situation - this club sucks the life out of you whilst talking about plans, rebuilds, and green shoots. Tired. So tired.
The boys were just very happy with themselves after last week. And it showed!! They showed what they should have done all day in the last quarter. Bloody disgraceful and disrespectful of the members and coaching staff.
Yep - agree with this JoFo......expected no effort would get them maximum reward, well & truly infected with the Melbourne fat-head virus.
Bring on the delistings - that is all !!!
. Blues end season on a low
It certainly wasn't the way Carlton wanted to end the year. After winning just four games last season and claiming the wooden spoon, the Blues have been rejuvenated in 2016 under the tutelage of Brendon Bolton. Defensively Carlton has been much improved, with the Blues only conceding 100 points on six occasions prior to Saturday. But against the Bombers they were poor. They stepped up their intensity in the final quarter, kicking four goals to one but it was too little, too late. The Blues finished the year with seven wins, a big improvement, but there were far too many passengers against Essendon. At three-quarter time there were 12 Blues with 10 touches or less, including Dale Thomas in his 200th game.
per afl.com
Succinct and on the money. Oh and with that many passengers, no team will win. That phenomenon certainly begs to be what is learned from this game. Fix that and..... well, we'll see.
Seriously - how bad is Daisy Thomas!?!?!? If he decides to honour his contract by playing on next year, he's a selfish pr!ck......Pies supporters are pi$$ing themselves. Arguably the most useless bloke out there today - what the hell is his role? Does he have an opponent? Opposition teams don't even bother putting any work into him....why would they?
And not understanding the love for Dylan Buckley either.....plays the occasional good game (and the word 'occasional' is being generous), another with no football brain, no feel for the game, is a deer caught in headlights with the ball in his hands & is generally a poor user of the ball.....what's the point of having a bloke like that in your team? Where's the benefit? He's been in the system long enough to show that he's not up to it....and he ain't.
Surely Thomas doesn't go on. Surely
. Blues end season on a low
It certainly wasn't the way Carlton wanted to end the year. After winning just four games last season and claiming the wooden spoon, the Blues have been rejuvenated in 2016 under the tutelage of Brendon Bolton. Defensively Carlton has been much improved, with the Blues only conceding 100 points on six occasions prior to Saturday. But against the Bombers they were poor. They stepped up their intensity in the final quarter, kicking four goals to one but it was too little, too late. The Blues finished the year with seven wins, a big improvement, but there were far too many passengers against Essendon. At three-quarter time there were 12 Blues with 10 touches or less, including Dale Thomas in his 200th game.
per afl.com
Succinct and on the money. Oh and with that many passengers, no team will win. That phenomenon certainly begs to be what is learned from this game. Fix that and..... well, we'll see.
For mine - this & the Brisbane loss undid any supposed gains made this year. Bolton's 'coach of the year' compliments from mid-year are but a distant memory, as he failed as much as the playing group did in the run home.
Seriously - how bad is Daisy Thomas!?!?!? If he decides to honour his contract by playing on next year, he's a selfish pr!ck......Pies supporters are pi$$ing themselves. Arguably the most useless bloke out there today - what the hell is his role? Does he have an opponent? Opposition teams don't even bother putting any work into him....why would they?
And not understanding the love for Dylan Buckley either.....plays the occasional good game (and the word 'occasional' is being generous), another with no football brain, no feel for the game, is a deer caught in headlights with the ball in his hands & is generally a poor user of the ball.....what's the point of having a bloke like that in your team? Where's the benefit? He's been in the system long enough to show that he's not up to it....and he ain't.
Fair points..thought Buckley had turned the corner but today he was woeful...cannot lay a tackle...
Daisy as I said in the other thread.....just taken our money and given us donuts back....thank MickM...
Everyone's feeling crap now, but if you think we haven't improved from last year, check out the Sydney Richmond game. Wind the clock back folks, if you dare........
Suppose no matter how bad we are there is always Richmond. 123pts down at 3/4 time after kicking all of 2 goals.
No membership from me next year if that liability Thomas goes on next year, had a gutful of his sorry ass half rat power efforts.
Seriously - how bad is Daisy Thomas!?!?!? If he decides to honour his contract by playing on next year, he's a selfish pr!ck......Pies supporters are pi$$ing themselves. Arguably the most useless bloke out there today - what the hell is his role? Does he have an opponent? Opposition teams don't even bother putting any work into him....why would they?
And not understanding the love for Dylan Buckley either.....plays the occasional good game (and the word 'occasional' is being generous), another with no football brain, no feel for the game, is a deer caught in headlights with the ball in his hands & is generally a poor user of the ball.....what's the point of having a bloke like that in your team? Where's the benefit? He's been in the system long enough to show that he's not up to it....and he ain't.
Thomas should be tapped on the shoulder next week.
As for Buckley, there are heaps of others ahead of him on the axe list so let him stay for next season. If we could suitably replace 18-20 players in one off-season then they should be more ruthless than ever seen.
I guess the Richmond result means a bit of focus will be taken off our loss.
That will be the talking point
Not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Just on Buckley....Yep, he has his limitations... but is he a better player and contributor than he was last year?
I think so.
All we can ask is they keep improving and working on their deficiencies.
If they do that eventually you end up with a good player.
Still fairly young.
Thomas should be tapped on the shoulder next week.
As for Buckley, there are heaps of others ahead of him on the axe list so let him stay for next season. If we could suitably replace 18-20 players in one off-season then they should be more ruthless than ever seen.
What are the options in this sort of situation with a contracted player?
Does anyone know?
Just on Buckley....Yep, he has his limitations... but is he a better player and contributor than he was last year?
Ummmmm.....that's a resounding 'no' from me.
Thomas should be tapped on the shoulder next week.
As for Buckley, there are heaps of others ahead of him on the axe list so let him stay for next season. If we could suitably replace 18-20 players in one off-season then they should be more ruthless than ever seen.
The 700k he gets a year means that tap won't be coming for another 12 months unfortunately.
As for Buckley I like what he offers, he the ability to be very good if he has much needed consistency. That's what has held him back before. That ability to run at real pace, break lines, then boot the long goal is something we don't have much off.
Ummmmm.....that's a resounding 'no' from me.
Agree Buckley is terrible, if it wasn't for his dad everyone would agree that he's a spud.
Have they done themselves a lot of harm if they lose pick 1?
Is there a standout?
Pick 2 is probably as good as pick 1
PSD may be a different story. We'll have to wait and see what's available.
That's the point. If they have the 1st pick in the draft, they'll use that to threaten clubs who have youngsters who are out of contract. For example, if O'Meara says he wants to go to EFC, Gold Coast is stuffed. Usually, the wooden spooner can't attract star players and the possibility of going there forces players to be reasonable. If Brisbane has the No. 1 PSD pick, players will make sure they don't have to go into the PSD. But EFC will have a pretty good list and may play finals, so players may want to go there.
I think, though, that the threat of being forced into the PSD isn't as strong as it was when Nick Stevens aimed at Collingwood but landed in Carlton. Stevens remained under contract until the ND was over, so he had to wait for the PSD. I'm not sure, but I think players can now go into the ND if they prefer. It used to be that players could only nominate their terms if they waited for the PSD but IIRC they can nominate them in the ND now. So if the Lions win the spoon and GC doesn't trade O'Meara, he can go into the ND and the Lions might not pick him up if they have to use their early picks on Academy players.
Agree Buckley is terrible, if it wasn't for his dad everyone would agree that he's a spud.
I guess we see things differently
I like him.
The fact his dad was a favourite doesn't enter into it as far as I'm concerned.
Tries to do a bit much at times (a man needs to know his limitations) but gives an effort.
Far from our worst player and I would be very surprised if he was among the cullings.
To bolton ,why do we kick the ball long or bomb it into our fwd line ,only to watch ess spoil and then they run it out with ease to there open fwd line where there is space everwhere and then watch ess kick easy goals we are so PREDICTABLe,funny part is we fail in this game plan ,so bolts find are new game plan for 2017 .
YAY the season is over and another finals series watching from home which is the saddest bit of all.
Agree Buckley is terrible, if it wasn't for his dad everyone would agree that he's a spud.
Way too harsh I can pick another 10 players that were worse today.
Way too harsh I can pick another 10 players that were worse today.
The question isnt just about today its about his time at the club and has he improved and become consistent enough....being better than 10 other players today doesnt mean much given how poor
we were....
If the last 15 years has taught us anything is that today was a forgone conclusion and was always going to happen.
Has there ever been a club able to disappoint their fans than Carlton outside of Richmond?
It's days like today that make me embarrassed to follow this once great club. We're an absolute joke. I hope SOS and Bolton start the delisting process straight after that game. I don't give a sh*t who is shown the door outside of Cripps, Docherty, Silvagni and Weitering. The rest can go and get f*cked.
Kreuzer - Absolute joke and embarrasses himself week in week out. Shocked that he was taken and number one. Most uncordinated player in teh AFL and that includes player like Port's Butcher.
Kerridge - My God, does he have any redeeming feature? Turn over merchant extraordinaire
Jones - Faaaaaarrrrkkkk!
Rowe - FFFFAAAARRRRKKKK!
Graham - What does he provide out side of slipping over and one paced nothingness?
Thomas - Thanks Malthouse, you pr*ck!
Casboult - I used to like this bloke, but I'm over the misses from 25 metres out directly in front. If you can't improve after being on the list for 6 or 7 years, there is no hope for you. F*ck off! Pity we just re-signed him.... FFFFFAAAARRRKKK!!!!
We're a joke, and there will be another 5 years of this, mark my words. We are the new St Kilda of the 80's and Melbourne of the last 10 years.
We are the new Carlton of the 2000's......hang on! :o
In a positive, more good signs from Cuningham.
6 years with SOS in charge of drafting and trading and we'll be a powerhouse.
In a positive, more good signs from Cuningham.
6 years with SOS in charge of drafting and trading and we'll be a powerhouse.
Hope I'm not in the ground by the end of all that ;)
Way too harsh I can pick another 10 players that were worse today.
Then you mustn't have watched the game in that case.......
We are the new Carlton of the 2000's......hang on! :o
I am bewildered today 16 first round draft picks no identifiable game plan sadly beaten by a average team with ten players out then watch the after match in the rooms and you see players smiing is bolts too nice or does it just not matter
We are the new Carlton of the 2000's......hang on! :o
I feel yor pain
Can anyone tell why we lack aggression we need to look at brining in bomber Thompson or Michael Voss for some real coaching presence we are far too much kangaroo in the headlights when any heat is on
Give me ur take on our appliation
Massive fail by Bolton today - perhaps he too was getting ahead of himself after the Dees win?
Didn't see any game plan (at all) or change in 3 quarters.....
Can anyone tell why we lack aggression we need to look at brining in bomber Thompson or Michael Voss for some real coaching presence we are far too much kangaroo in the headlights when any heat is on
Voss...lol! Abject failure as a coach.
Seriously - how bad is Daisy Thomas!?!?!? If he decides to honour his contract by playing on next year, he's a selfish pr!ck......Pies supporters are pi$$ing themselves. Arguably the most useless bloke out there today - what the hell is his role? Does he have an opponent? Opposition teams don't even bother putting any work into him....why would they?
And not understanding the love for Dylan Buckley either.....plays the occasional good game (and the word 'occasional' is being generous), another with no football brain, no feel for the game, is a deer caught in headlights with the ball in his hands & is generally a poor user of the ball.....what's the point of having a bloke like that in your team? Where's the benefit? He's been in the system long enough to show that he's not up to it....and he ain't.
I see where you're coming from but there's no chance in the world Daisy will give up 700k, and in the same circumstances i doubt any of us would.
Buckley i do see something in. He's had a good last 4-5 weeks, taking a step up, until today and has the sped that we badly need.
Voss had a poor team and nil experience he would make an excellent assistant he knows how to win
Didn't watch any of the game haven't watched for far while got tired say old crap seems it going to be a long wait it get better
Nexted premiership seems a long way of the older you get you hope you to see another
Voss had a poor team and nil experience he would make an excellent assistant he knows how to win
Port Adelaide midfield was dominant until he got his hands on them. (Do you know Rick??)
Buckley plays like those stupid interviews he does on the couch, giggling and imature. Needs to become more professional on the ground and stop doing first year recruit stuff like missing tackles, not giving first handballs and kicks and burning blokes. Effort not his problem thinking about the game and growing into a reliable player is his problem. Needs to see Docherty on how.....same age same draft
YAY the season is over and another finals series watching from home which is the saddest bit of all.
I look on the bright side - get lots of good gardening done in September these days....
Season over and not sure really whether once the dust settles I'm quietly pleased or again feeling disappointed.
Was a game that meant nothing yet losing like we did seemed to cast a negative spin on what was probably an 'ok' year in an overall sense.
While was a nothing game membership wise this game will make improving the numbers for next year that little bit harder. Supports
hate these pr1cks and beating them always feels good yet losing to them when half the side is out is disgusting and seems to undo any gains we made this year. Probably shouldn't have that effort as it's just one game when not much was on the line but as a suffering supporter beating this mob forking matters to supporters.
Those pr1cks seem to gain a leg playing us. And we seem to not give 2 sh1ts.
They care about their supporters......we don't. They had half a team out are sitting bottom of the ladder yet got 46k to a nothing game. If that was us reckon you would be lucky to get anyone to go.
Our club is not a shadow of what we were and sadly I just can't see us being a power again. Today was so typical of the type of club we have become. I think in the bottom of most of our hearts we all knew today was likely to end the way it did. That's the sort of club we are.
Can see Cripps or Weitering leaving when their contracts are up. Why would they want to play their career out at a club like ours.
Gutted.
Has there ever been a club able to disappoint their fans than Carlton outside of Richmond?
Yes, Melbourne.
if you were a young player wanting to join a Melbourne club, and you watched that lame effort yesterday, why would you want to play with the Princes Park boys?
How Bolton did nothing to counter the huge flood they were employing and stopping the long bomb to Levi in a pack of 20 players staggers me.....
Not quite sure I see the appeal of Voss. Poor communicator, no record of note as senior and assistant coach, made a terrible call on Fev............
Much prefer we bring back the Junkyard Dog than Voss.
I am bewildered today 16 first round draft picks no identifiable game plan sadly beaten by a average team with ten players out then watch the after match in the rooms and you see players smiing is bolts too nice or does it just not matter
Its all about the equilibrium, not too high after a win and not too low after a loss.
if you were a young player wanting to join a Melbourne club, and you watched that lame effort yesterday, why would you want to play with the Princes Park boys?
How Bolton did nothing to counter the huge flood they were employing and stopping the long bomb to Levi in a pack of 20 players staggers me.....
I am not sure what tactics Bolton did try, I am also not sure which tactics were tried and failed, and the players who could not implement them. If you're not privileged to inside the box information, I doubt you'll know, however I doubt Bolton told the players to bomb it to the packs. We know we have players on this list that simply will not run hard enough the other way, combine this will a lack of ability, football smarts and desire - hey presto, we have yesterday's result.
If Bolton used the game as an evaluation and learning opportunity (not much use for anything else), I have no problem with that. If we'd been victorious yesterday, what would we have won again? Many are bleating about the fact it's Essendon - this is a relic from the past, we have to change our mindset and see they are simply another game and like any other club. We need to be clinical in our planning, implementation and game day execution, that's when the club starts to truly rise up the ladder - that and the addition and maturing of talent.
I am not sure what tactics Bolton did try, I am also not sure which tactics were tried and failed, and the players who could not implement them. If you're not privileged to inside the box information, I doubt you'll know, however I doubt Bolton told the players to bomb it to the packs. We know we have players on this list that simply will not run hard enough the other way, combine this will a lack of ability, football smarts and desire - hey presto, we have yesterday's result.
If Bolton used the game as an evaluation and learning opportunity (not much use for anything else), I have no problem with that. If we'd been victorious yesterday, what would we have won again? Many are bleating about the fact it's Essendon - this is a relic from the past, we have to change our mindset and see they are simply another game and like any other club. We need to be clinical in our planning, implementation and game day execution, that's when the club starts to truly rise up the ladder - that and the addition and maturing of talent.
I agree completely that these territorial battles are a thing of the past, and that winning and playing good footy should be a given against all comers. The thing that irritates me most this season is the binary nature of our team - they're either on, or they're off, and there's nothing in between. When they finally wake up (usually in the 4th), it's too late.
To bolton ,why do we kick the ball long or bomb it into our fwd line ,only to watch ess spoil and then they run it out with ease to there open fwd line where there is space everwhere and then watch ess kick easy goals we are so PREDICTABLe,funny part is we fail in this game plan ,so bolts find are new game plan for 2017 .
i will say to you this wont happen next year.
With dons getting ten players back with top draft picks brisbanes centre line returning and freo having a home ground advantage unless sos gets reall lucky in draft we are running up hill I can see 5 number one draft picks running around
Port Adelaide midfield was dominant until he got his hands on them. (Do you know Rick??)
They seem to speak the same broken english? ;)
Voss had a poor team and nil experience he would make an excellent assistant he knows how to win
Voss was crap. Remember Brisbane finals in his first year then went backwards big time. been no good since. He's a $hit coach.
I am not sure what tactics Bolton did try, I am also not sure which tactics were tried and failed, and the players who could not implement them. If you're not privileged to inside the box information, I doubt you'll know, however I doubt Bolton told the players to bomb it to the packs. We know we have players on this list that simply will not run hard enough the other way, combine this will a lack of ability, football smarts and desire - hey presto, we have yesterday's result.
Why (none of this aimed at you spf)? Why do we have such players on our list? Who recruited them? Why have they been retained? Did we perform our due diligence with fitness tests and discover they have problems with O2 deficiencies and lactic acid build up after comparatively short bursts of exercise? Or are they just lazy? No doubt it's a combination of all the factors mentioned above. Take E. Curnow as an example. The guy can run all day but can't kick or handball and has next to no footy 'nouse'. Pathetic on field leadership (Simmo aside) is another massive problem. We have been so inept in so many areas for so long it's embarrassing.
To bolton ,why do we kick the ball long or bomb it into our fwd line ,only to watch ess spoil and then they run it out with ease to there open fwd line where there is space everwhere and then watch ess kick easy goals we are so PREDICTABLe,funny part is we fail in this game plan ,so bolts find are new game plan for 2017 .
I don't think this is a tactic, but rather a symptom of the fact that our forwards don't work hard enough. Not enough manoeuvring to get space, lack of repeated leading and all very predictable.
It's been up to Jack since he came in, to show the more senior guys how to do it. Unfortunately they either don't pay attention or are too lazy.
it all goes back to the midfield/ruck. if we are asleep there we get belted, we use the ball too slowly and by the time we move it into F50 there are 16 opposition shutting everything down.....
Bolton had no Plan B again on Saturday - that was the most disturbing aspect for me....
That said with Murphy back, a new mid or 2 on the list, our midfield should be a lot stronger in 2017.
Would like Kerridge played HFF too.
I was at the game and from what I could see the Bummers just out hassled us and out pressured us leading to the usual skill errors, mistakes and turnovers. We were thus left exposed and duly punished. Same story for any team that we allow to serve it up to us.
These mental lapses have been happening for a while, even when we were playing finals in 2009-2013. We would get a a couple of good wins then put in a shocker against a lower side. It's why we haven't been a real contender for over 15 years.
We need another reset! Reset the reset.
These mental lapses have been happening for a while, even when we were playing finals in 2009-2013. We would get a a couple of good wins then put in a shocker against a lower side. It's why we haven't been a real contender for over 15 years.
We need another reset! Reset the reset.
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Spot on mate. Even during the year we got up to 5th when Ratten was in charge, we always did well for two games, really well, and as soon as the media talked us up we lost. No mental backbone. It was great to watch when Ratten was there, almost like watching Kevin Keegan's Newcastle in the mid 90s, real swag buckling attack. Except we had a crap defence. The game plan was simply to overrun the opposition. Not ideal for finals.
And now we have a squad with way less talent.
Don't worry mate, the reset was pressed last year. I'm looking forward to finals footy, praying someone, ANYONE humiliates Hawthorn and that we have an excellent trade period.
To be honest, one of my concerns is what appears to be a lack of game day technical nouance by Bolton. The Bombers game was a great example.
We haven't completed the current "reset", or whatever word you want to use, yet and so I don't think we could have reasonably expected much different from what actually unfolded this year.
Like it or not it will take more time to complete the kind of root and branch changes that are needed. Yes we still experienced a few bad on field lapses but I will reserve further comment on the present regime until I see what happens in the draft and trade periods and who gets retained and who gets moved on.
Mick said process, Bolt say's reset.
I would prefer an old fashioned clean out.
The clean out is on. I counted 15 could go, but that Can't happen, so expect some spuds to remain on the list for one more year. Hopefully they are pushed into the 35-42 category.
The lapses are right. I mentioned to Tribey Melbourne remind me of Carlton circa 2010 when a game is on the line or meant something, they would disintegrate. Hence the club hasn't won 5 in a row since 2001...... 15 years..
Mick said process, Bolt say's reset.
I would prefer an old fashioned clean out.
Its the new buzz word, I noticed Norf have started using the word reset, its not fashionable to say rebuild.
The clean out is on. I counted 15 could go, but that Can't happen, so expect some spuds to remain on the list for one more year. Hopefully they are pushed into the 35-42 category.
The lapses are right. I mentioned to Tribey Melbourne remind me of Carlton circa 2010 when a game is on the line or meant something, they would disintegrate. Hence the club hasn't won 5 in a row since 2001...... 15 years..
Beveridge has the right idea like Ratts - attacking footy builds confidence, and means opposition teams have to chase us, rather than us trying to defend small totals. The Doggies are tougher in the clinches, and Beveridge has benefited from better recruiting, and from the fact that his predecessor was Brendan McCartney. It's a shame about their high number of injuries - they just can't score at the moment.
But I agree - those lapses, then as now, are frustrating. How many coaches have we had since 2001, and only Ratts made a small dent in the consecutive win stat. Must be something in the water at PP.
Beveridge has the right idea like Ratts - attacking footy builds confidence, and means opposition teams have to chase us, rather than us trying to defend small totals. The Doggies are tougher in the clinches, and Beveridge has benefited from better recruiting, and from the fact that his predecessor was Brendan McCartney. It's a shame about their high number of injuries - they just can't score at the moment.
But I agree - those lapses, then as now, are frustrating. How many coaches have we had since 2001, and only Ratts made a small dent in the consecutive win stat. Must be something in the water at PP.
If it helps any Bolton said on the weekend that next year we are going to focus more no on offence and ball carry now we've sorted out our defensive aspects. That will help with the ever growing number of real speedsters we have in the side and I bet the forwards will love that so much better too. Some of our players are really fast. If we take Jake Bradley F/S thaat would add to it. Has seemed to have got his old man's genetics in ghat reagrd.
If it helps any Bolton said on the weekend that next year we are going to focus more no on offence and ball carry now we've sorted out our defensive aspects. That will help with the ever growing number of real speedsters we have in the side and I bet the forwards will love that so much better too. Some of our players are really fast. If we take Jake Bradley F/S thaat would add to it. Has seemed to have got his old man's genetics in ghat reagrd.
Booya - I hope the little bloke with the big ears and big smile holds true to that.
Thanks jim.
If it helps any Bolton said on the weekend that next year we are going to focus more no on offence and ball carry now we've sorted out our defensive aspects. That will help with the ever growing number of real speedsters we have in the side and I bet the forwards will love that so much better too. Some of our players are really fast. If we take Jake Bradley F/S thaat would add to it. Has seemed to have got his old man's genetics in ghat reagrd.
The main issue with that will be making sure we don't give away anywhere near the number of turnovers going forward and leaving our defence wide open too many times, as we did this year. They were crucified on occasion! If we can do it well though I will look forward to it.