I was tempted to start off with a Gilbert and Sullivan Patter Song, but I thought I had best be serious for at least a couple of minutes. Will we be serious when the final siren sounds? Stay tuned!
B. Gibbs - 3 votes
I'm sure he played his part but Tommy Williamson seemed to have little impact tonight. Besides Gibbs and Doc, we had a heap of players who were involved between 40 - 80 % of the time.
Had to quickly backspace over my draft post which read "We blew it".
So let me replace that with ... GIBBS!
As good a game as I've seen Gibbs play. Plenty of quality possessions, kicks goals (even under pressure) and shows a bit of not over the top aggression. Couldn't fault him tonight. Feel really happy for Liam Jones. That's 2 from 2. One more and I'd lock him in for next year. Murph solid. Zac Fisher was sensational in the last as was Jack S and Kreeez. Doc and Simmo fantastic. Well the whole backline really. Gotta feeling we're going to knock off the Tigers next week ;D
Gibbs was absolutely outstanding with 43 disp, 8 marks, 10 tackles and 2 goals.
As good a game as I've seen Gibbs play. Plenty of quality possessions, kicks goals (even under pressure) and shows a bit of not over the top aggression. Couldn't fault him tonight. Feel really happy for Liam Jones. That's 2 from 2. One more and I'd lock him in for next year. Murph solid. Zac Fisher was sensational in the last as was Jack S and Kreeez. Doc and Simmo fantastic. Well the whole backline really. Gotta feeling we're going to knock off the Tigers next week ;D
Worth 2 ist rounders?
Loved this win.
Had to fight all night after missing too many goals. Then had to come back once they had all the momentum and hit the front on their home deck.
Loved how cripps and Kreuzer so often lift when game is on the line. Massive last quarter.
Our kids contribute and simply don't play like kids!
Gibbs best game I've seen him play. And doc and Simmo in the last 5 mins were just amazing.
We're challenged all night. Character win. The rebuilt and speed of our improvement has exceeded my expectations by a mile.
Gee we're a different side than for the last decade and a half. Getting easy to take our vastly improved skills for granted but we've been crying out about it for a long time. Well done BB in doing what other coaches couldn't and improving the skill set across the board. It was on display tonight, the lack of clangers made poor old Cas's seem even worse.
Gibbs sensational !!!!!!
Gibbs was absolutely outstanding with 43 disp, 8 marks, 10 tackles and 2 goals.
43 touches (game high)
10 tackles (game high)
2 goals (=team high)
and...
7 clearances (2nd only to Cripps)
7 inside 50's (Game high)
2 goal assists (=game high)
Worth 2 ist rounders?
Well if someone wants to give us 2 I'd take them in a heartbeat. Gotta say I have been impressed with Bryce's year given all the pre-season drama. Very Dangerfield like with his professionalism.
Docherty has had 30 disposals with 96.7% efficiency :D
Jack Silvagni looks a bit like a scrawny kid but he's deceptively strong, he'll be very tough to man up in a couple of years.
And they say that his brother is better!
Docherty has had 30 disposals with 96.7% efficiency :D
Docherty is an elite player now, I can't remember the last average game he played.
The big thing for me was how we have not only improved our overall skills but also our consistency of application and our determination. Great signs - I am rapt tonight.
Jack Silvagni looks a bit like a scrawny kid but he's deceptively strong, he'll be very tough to man up in a couple of years.
And they say that his brother is better!
Docherty is an elite player now, I can't remember the last average game he played.
His old man was the same. Have a look at SOS when he took mark of the year.
Look at him a few years later.
Lets look at Jack in a few years.
Stats again show Fisher was quiet, but I'd say he had more impact on the result than SPS or Boekhorst.
Why is Dale Thomas in the team, why should he have to defend his selection is a better question! ;)
Stats again show Fisher was quiet, but I'd say he had more impact on the result than SPS or Boekhorst.
Why is Dale Thomas in the team, why should he have to defend his selection is a better question! ;)
I thought that SPS and Boekhorst were both good, Thomas was dynamite early and really set the standard for the team.
If we're smart we'll sign Liam Jones this week, I'm certain that other clubs will have noticed.
Almost won that in spite of Levi.
Great win, but thought the kids were down with the exception of sos.
Cunningham, sps, marchy, Williamson, fisher all quiet.
Tracking along nicely all the same.
Well done blues
Daisy and Levi were pretty good.... Liam jones. Well what a story.
This is to LP, Dale Thomas is in the team precisely for his first half. I am personally sick of the na sayers that inhabit this site, and LP top of the heap!!! Enjoy the green shoots pal, your continued negativity makes me sick. I have followed the Blues since I was in prep in 1970, you probably also reckon Bryce is not trying, do you really barrack for Carlton or are you a plant from the filth ?
Love to hear from you.......
Worth 2 ist rounders?
What was the Crows best offer again?
If Daisy is cited for the bump on Saad, I'll lose it.
Daisy and Levi were pretty good.... Liam jones. Well what a story.
Surely u r fishing with that Levi comment MH. He was absolute toilet from q2-4.
Embarrassing
Great win, but thought the kids were down with the exception of sos.
Cunningham, sps, marchy, Williamson, fisher all quiet.
Tracking along nicely all the same.
Well done blues
Agree regards first three. No disgrace though, just quiet.
Williamson copped a knee in his back. Looked like he was very sore. Thought Zac was off early in terms of skills. A real credit that he just kept at it. Eventually getting involved nicely when the chips were down.
SOJ and Charlie were fantastic. Shame Charlie didn't hang onto a couple more marks. Both building a solid repertoire of BB traits :)
Excellent win and demonstration of G & D to play until the final siren.
This is to LP, Dale Thomas is in the team precisely for his first half. I am personally sick of the na sayers that inhabit this site, and LP top of the heap!!! Enjoy the green shoots pal, your continued negativity makes me sick. I have followed the Blues since I was in prep in 1970, you probably also reckon Bryce is not trying, do you really barrack for Carlton or are you a plant from the filth ?
Love to hear from you.......
You probably have your wires crossed, or maybe you're not getting LP's irony. He is definitely pro Daisy, and pro Bryce for that matter as well.
B. Gibbs - 3 votes
Agree...one of his best allround games and credit to him... I thought he might sulk up after last seasons trade issues but he has been consistent this season
and won us the game tonight...the 2 goals he kicked late were pressure kicks and he nailed them.
Give some plaudits to your man Daisy too...good last week and was good again tonight....
I am so sick of the continued negative crape about Daisy especially, if it was irony then I apologize unreservedly, if not then bring it on, its just another "Pass it to Carrots" know it all. Dead set getting over the negative....
I am not normally this riled.
Daisy and Levi were pretty good.... Liam jones. Well what a story.
Daisy and Jones yes were good...Levi was woeful.....almost cost us the game and needs to thank Gibbs for dragging us over the line...
Gee we're a different side than for the last decade and a half. Getting easy to take our vastly improved skills for granted but we've been crying out about it for a long time. Well done BB in doing what other coaches couldn't and improving the skill set across the board. It was on display tonight, the lack of clangers made poor old Cas's seem even worse.
In the rush to condemn the past to celebrate the present, let's not rewrite history. I could give you a few examples, but this will do for now :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKxu3RBUvxg
I am so sick of the continued negative crape about Daisy especially, if it was irony then I apologize unreservedly, if not then bring it on, its just another "Pass it to Carrots" know it all. Dead set getting over the negative....
I am not normally this riled.
LP has been defending Daisy..if you want to vent then you can have a go at me as I havent been a Daisy fan but happy to give him credit for his past two games where he has been a component
in us winning....
PITC was a good poster and I miss his contributions...
I am so sick of the continued negative crape about Daisy especially, if it was irony then I apologize unreservedly, if not then bring it on, its just another "Pass it to Carrots" know it all. Dead set getting over the negative....
I am not normally this riled.
Don't sweat it - but I can assure you, you have the wrong man.
Footy forums will always arouse strong reactions - part of the reason why they exist.
We had a number of players who floated on and out of the game, started strongly and faded or had little influence YET we won on the road! We are marching forward!!
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If Daisy is cited for the bump on Saad, I'll lose it.
Yes, nothing in that whatsoever. But it's the MRP, so................
Yes, nothing in that whatsoever. But it's the MRP, so................
Think he will get off as Saad came back on and appeared ok...hard to prove he ran past the ball and lined up Saad, looks more like he collected Saad high when he turned his back at the
critical moment...
Think he will get off as Saad came back on and appeared ok...hard to prove he ran past the ball and lined up Saad, looks more like he collected Saad high when he turned his back at the
critical moment...
Yes, reckon Daisy was just bracing himself for impact. His elbow is raised away from his body only after he collides with Saad.
Even the commentators are saying accidental collision.
Yes, reckon Daisy was just bracing himself for impact. His elbow is raised away from his body only after he collides with Saad.
Even the commentators are saying accidental collision.
Yep...bracing himself out of protection would be my defense ..
As good a game as I've seen Gibbs play. Plenty of quality possessions, kicks goals (even under pressure) and shows a bit of not over the top aggression. Couldn't fault him tonight.
Best ever game I have seen from Bryce - I have been critical of his ball use in the past because I feel he has been too eager to kick it to get rid of it - tonight he made his possessions count for for. Maybe his efforts to rough up 'the old master' got his blood up - if so, get him to rough someone up every week.
We had a number of players who floated on and out of the game, started strongly and faded or had little influence YET we won on the road! We are marching forward!!
How very succinctly put townsend.
It was indeed a great challenge. Our youngsters will have gained so much from the ebbs and flows. Mostly, they'll be wiser for the fight in the last 10.
Loved BB getting down to the bench to help his boys hold on. In fact, excellent coaching tonight. Waaaaay ahead of his opponents.
Yes, nothing in that whatsoever. But it's the MRP, so................
And we are Carlton.
And we are Carlton.
Daisy looks like he's preparing to pick up the ball with his right hand, then seems to pull out once he sees Saad bearing down on him.
If he gets rubbed out, the club needs to ask questions, because that's not the correct decision.
Daisy looks like he's preparing to pick up the ball with his right hand, then seems to pull out once he sees Saad bearing down on him.
If he gets rubbed out, the club needs to ask questions, because that's not the correct decision.
Agreed, I would go to the tribunal if the MRP penalised him.
Best ever game I have seen from Bryce - I have been critical of his ball use in the past because I feel he has been too eager to kick it to get rid of it - tonight he made his possessions count for for. Maybe his efforts to rough up 'the old master' got his blood up - if so, get him to rough someone up every week.
X2
Bryce is getting better and better.
Had a great year in 2014.... injured in 2015....he was pretty good last year very solid. This year is like 2014 where he made All Australian squad - except this year is better.
Wins a win. Da dada dada!!! ;D
Levi should be left to seek other opportunities at the End if the year. Enough is enough. Could've cost us two wins in the last two weeks with his bad kicking if others did t pick up the slack.
The rebirth of Liam Jones continues.
Those dribble shots at goal.... grrrrr.
Gibbs has been a gun this year. If he still wants to leave, Crows now know they have to pay big.
Murph needs to clean up his disposal.
SOS had one of his best games for us.
Simms could quite conseivebly do a Bradles and play deep into his 30s.
Doc, just give him his AA spot already. Gun!!
Kreuzberg, career best year I reckon. Heart and Soul.
Next week is the scalp I want, so so badly.
Class act by Murph to go to Barlow on the stretcher. I think a few other of our went to him or called out to him but the skipper led it.
Tiges are gettable too I reckon.
In the rush to condemn the past to celebrate the present, let's not rewrite history. I could give you a few examples, but this will do for now :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKxu3RBUvxg
Never get a generalization past Paul on here. Mate it feels longer than fifteen years to me. My previous dog from years ago had to leave the room many times because she wasn't impressed with my reaction to the clangers.
Next week is the scalp I want, so so badly.
Me too.
If we keep the pressure on them like we have the last 2 games we are a good chance.
Dusty will be a worry for us.
Never get a generalization past Paul on here. Mate it feels longer than fifteen years to me. My previous dog from years ago had to leave the room many times because she wasn't impressed with my reaction to the clangers.
No worries. We all do it.
Class act by Murph to go to Barlow on the stretcher.
Indeed, a leader in every sense of the word.
Bryce is getting better and better.
Had a great year in 2014.... injured in 2015....he was pretty good last year very solid. This year is like 2014 where he made All Australian squad - except this year is better.
Last night he played a Dangerfield game, so he clearly has it in him.
So Bryce, how bout it ? Maybe play those games a bit more often, and the Brownlow, Leigh Matthews Trophy, and undying and eternal love from CFC supporters are yours for the taking.
Thought our 2 bulls Crippa and Kruezer were massive winning the contested ball in the last.
They had little influence early on but willed them self when it mattered. Big reason we got the result.
Thought our 2 bulls Crippa and Kruezer were massive winning the contested ball in the last.
They had little influence early on but willed them self when it mattered. Big reason we got the result.
Spot on shawny
Those dribble shots at goal.... grrrrr.
Gibbs has been a gun this year. If he still wants to leave, Crows now know they have to pay big.
SOS had one of his best games for us.
That's my only complaint about last night .... our goal kicking and composure. We should have won by so much more if we had of composed ourselves and nailed more goals.
Jack kicked two ( missed an easy one earlier and has missed quite a few this year ) crucial goals and so did Gibbs in the last...
Boakhorst and Charlie panicked with dribbles kicks..... Gibbs 2nd goal was awesome, anyone else would have blasted away and missed.
Goals win games and that's why Levi is so frustrating..........!!! Grrrrrrrr
Next week is the scalp I want, so so badly.
It would be nice to repeat the past McLean style, if Daisy is the man doing the finishing even better!
I think we can get hold of them, the key might be Charlie and SoJ standing up and drawing some football. Rance cannot be everywhere!
I'm more than confident our mids will give us enough entries.
Would be nice if Casboult can combine last nights attack on the football with straight kicking, we seem to get one or the other. It's like fatigue brings back all his old bad ways!
It would be nice to repeat the past McLean style, if Daisy is the man doing the finishing even better!
I think we can get hold of them, the key might be Charlie and SoJ standing up and drawing some football. Rance cannot be everywhere!
I'm more than confident our mids will give us enough entries.
Would be nice if Casboult can combine last nights attack on the football with straight kicking, we seem to get one or the other. It's like fatigue brings back all his old bad ways!
Not worried about Jack or Rance TBH. Dusty a little but he can be contained, when he puts that arm out to fend, grab his wrist and put it behind the opposite ear, its not hard. Its the lesser likes from that godforsaken club that get a hold of us. Blokes like Lloyd, Lambert, Butler and their most overrated young recruit Rioli (he is a cat who sleeps with the lights). Feck me even Grigg manages to kick straight against us. I'd like to think we plan for them as well as there better players, Ihope history doesn't repeat itself in that regard.
Feck me even Grigg manages to kick straight against us. I'd like to think we plan for them as well as there better players, I hope history doesn't repeat itself in that regard.
If we bring the heat to Nthmond like we've brought the heat in the last two weeks, Grigg won't be an issue.
i though Levi was the best key forward out there by a country mile.
Lots of heavy lifting in the first half. easily had the better of May.
His misses? Well, he wasn't alone and no doubt Sav will be in the case big time this week...he'll never be a great player but he can be a very serviceable player in the short to medium term.
Overall, we should have been up by 40-50 early in the game and it never should have got that tight.
But GC were in form and we pantsed them really.
Our back line is becoming the stuff legends are made of - General Doc with Marchbank, Jones, Plowman and the other general Simmo....they look so composed now (other than Q3 when our midfield went to sleep).
Simply cannot see this group losing to the Tiges.
Agree...one of his best allround games and credit to him... I thought he might sulk up after last seasons trade issues but he has been consistent this season
and won us the game tonight...the 2 goals he kicked late were pressure kicks and he nailed them.
Give some plaudits to your man Daisy too...good last week and was good again tonight....
I think Daisy has been enjoying his footy a lot more since his contract clause was publicly eliminated.
Gets the media and 'supporters' off his back. Allows him to just go out and play and we are seeing the benefits of that now.
Yes, he played a good game. Kudos to most our players though. It was a team effort.
Only 2 players that were clearly below average IMO was Casboult and Williamson. The latter may have copped an injury, and is still a kid who will have his up and downs....and he was due for a down.
I still can't believe our magnificent run with injuries.
Byrnes knee injury from last season was replaced by Rowes this season.
ASOS if a few weeks (in the position we can best cover)
and apart from that we've only had the odd 1-week injury.
I can't recall any team having such a good run, ever.
Very good player management, as well as a great deal of luck.
i though Levi was the best key forward out there by a country mile.
I thought as a pure forward SoJ had them all covered, I'd say just about his best game so far. But I agree he doesn't and will never smash packs like Casboult does.
You have to ask yourself, why has it taken so long for our club to give Casboult those little blocks he needs to launch! Kudos of Wright and Daisy for those small bits of interference.
i though Levi was the best key forward out there by a country mile.
Being the best of a bad 2 doesn't mean he was any good.
As i said in the in-game thread.
Name me any players (in a carlton jumper) that was worse than Levi last night.
Yet Levi had season high kicks and disposals. And not far off in marks.....compare that to the GC key forwards - Lynch or the 2m guy.....
..
Sure his 0.3 plus OOBF were terrible - and I'm sure he knows that - but he was very influential in general play in the first half and to a lesser degree thereafter.
if hr had kicked 3.0 we would be signing his praises..... bottom line is we have no one better to fill that role presently.
Being the best of a bad 2 doesn't mean he was any good.
As i said in the in-game thread.
Name me any players (in a carlton jumper) that was worse than Levi last night.
Better than Lynch or Wright. Easily....
but you keep up the bleat .....
Silvagni knows where to lead... if he gets stronger he will be able win some 50/50 marking contests.
The Bolt and Charlie C butchered at least 4 goals between them... other aspects of their game were good, so hopefully we get a better return on the scoreboard next week.
Better than Lynch or Wright. Easily....
but you keep up the bleat .....
I'll repeat it for you.
Name me any players (in a carlton jumper) that was worse than Levi last night.
IN A CARLTON JUMPER!
Better than Lynch or Wright. Easily....
but you keep up the bleat .....
Our Wright's 1%ers had Casboult covered easily, our Wright must have been involved in more than 5 Scoring or Goal Assists.
Peter Wright doesn't play for Carlton.
We still have the best backline in the league. Take Silvagni and Rowe out and we're still out in front. Williamson got hurt late after a quietish one.. may be due for a rest.
Curly was outstanding in the first quarter in particular. Died out a bit after they moved May onto him but he'd set up 3 including 1 to his brother and kicked 1 himself. BOG at qtr time.
The knuckle head Carlton "supporter" sitting behind me bagging him bigtime for the entire 2nd half was hard to take... some weird units out there.
Gibbs was brilliant obviously. Reminded me of his game last year against Geelong when he won it off his own boot. Why only once a year? would be the obvious question but I guess he, Kreuze and Doc would be leading the b&f so hard to complain.
Can I just say... post JLT I had no idea we'd be 1 win off the top 8 at the halfway point. Incredible. Remind me (and literally everyone in the media) next year to completely ignore the preseason games. Load of bollocks.
Credit where it's due - a lot of theage journos including Caro I think predicted us to get 8-10 wins which I thought at the time was very generous but now looking spot on.
We'll have to kick straight to beat the toigs but we are back on the G which is by far our best ground. Poor kicking asides I reckon we're a big chance. I think we'll get the Crows the week after... not sure why but I have a very good feeling about that one.
Being the best of a bad 2 doesn't mean he was any good.
As i said in the in-game thread.
Name me any players (in a carlton jumper) that was worse than Levi last night.
You just watch his kicking at goal and that as it? Up the ground he was very good. Some of his marking last night terrific and and when he wasn't marking he was smashing packs in contests. He ended up with 8 very strong marks. I'd love a player to do that playing badly, imagine what he's does playing well. He is combining very well with Kreuzer on ball this year. On top of that there was that beautiful kick to Thomas in the first qtr that resulted in a goal. Then of course he had his worst goal kicking night of the year, created one turnover that cost a goal and dropped a pud of a chest mark late. He was very good and very bad last night. When you judge a player's performance you need to look at the good as well as the bad, not just the bad to support an agenda, for want of a better word.
Given his job is essentially to forward/ruck, a role he has played well in this year, we need another key forward to allow him to concentrate on that role. That's where the likes of Jaksch should've played earlier to help him out as trying to be the only tall forward as well as a ruck is a tough gig.
I like Levi and still have faith in him to improve but he was average to poor last night and his confidence was down....ball drop was back to its worst and when he dropped that chest mark at a crucial time I couldnt believe it.....owes us a big one vs the Tigers.
Probably lucky Philips got injured as he was braining Werribee in the VFL and you could have made a case for him replacing Levi....
Interesting round this week. Bar the Port/Brisbane game it's been low scoring and in each case one side shot out of the blocks in the first qtr then fell away later in the game to the point margins weren't at all big. In the case of Richmond they lost (hehe).
Name me any players (in a carlton jumper) that was worse than Levi last night.
Are you sure you watched the game?
I'm constantly surprised at how completely distorted a view some supporters take. The guy was one of the most important players out there constantly smashing the packs and preventing intercept marks that looked certain - if not marking it outright.
Generally doing what some call the best young forward in the league who kicked 7 against us last time could not do. His influence on the outcome of the game was unquestionable yet you pick out a crap kick and a missed set shot and crucify him. Unbelievable. Seriously unbelievable. Go support the tigers if you want to eat your own at every opportunity.
That post was offensive.
I like Levi and still have faith in him to improve but he was average to poor last night and his confidence was down....ball drop was back to its worst and when he dropped that chest mark at a crucial time I couldnt believe it.....owes us a big one vs the Tigers.
Probably lucky Philips got injured as he was braining Werribee in the VFL and you could have made a case for him replacing Levi....
He didn't take the opportunities he had... he kicks 2 and it's a different story. Let himself down.
I like Levi and still have faith in him to improve but he was average to poor last night and his confidence was down....ball drop was back to its worst and when he dropped that chest mark at a crucial time I couldnt believe it.....owes us a big one vs the Tigers.
Probably lucky Philips got injured as he was braining Werribee in the VFL and you could have made a case for him replacing Levi....
I feel a bit sorry for Levi tbh. I was watching him in the rooms post game, especially the club song, and he looked down and not fully enjoying the win, for obvious reasons. I thought that nearly everything he did last night was good except for his wretched kicking for goal and the dropped mark was probably a result of a total confidence loss. I really think he would benefit from a spell in the NBs to try and get some confidence back - he must be just a bag of nerves and he needs settling down and tried again before final judgements are made. We don't want to die wondering - but he is bl00dy frustrating.
You just watch his kicking at goal and that as it?
No, i watched him drop an uncontested chest mark 20m out directly in front of goal too.
To you, flyboy and Jeza who all commented on my post.
Every week there is a worst player on your list. It's a simple fact.
What changes is how bad that worst player is. Some weeks the worst player might be top 5 in any other week. Sometimes the worst player would be the worst player in the VFL as well.
Instead of complaining about it, and defending Levi, perhaps point out someone who was worse that him. Nobody has done it....and i think i know the answer.
kruddler , we know your views are inevitably better or more sagacious than the rest.
No one would argue that....it's something we all have to live with.
But Levi was more influential than all the opposition and at least half of our team..., Thomas,
Charlie, SoJ, Wright, Boekhurst and maybe even Murph all missed regulation goals.
Ahs has one forgotten Simmo's dropped 'sitter' from a few week's back?
Watch the replay, then comment.
by the by, he was 11th in our team for footy points. Go figure!
I think when the club comes to evaluate Casboult's future with us, they will simply have to take into account the fact that he will never be a reliable set shot - he will have good patches (first half of the year), and then at some point will revert back to bad habits.
He is also very much a confidence player. Once he makes a couple of errors, his head drops and his game suffers.
He is easily the most frustrating player on our list. One good, one bad..............
I thought he was one of the keys to our win. I'm not potting our players after a brilliant win - that's your thing.
Beating gc at home is a great effort let alone with half our team under 21. Awesome.
I thought he was one of the keys to our win. I'm not potting our players after a brilliant win - that's your thing.
Beating gc at home is a great effort let alone with half our team under 21. Awesome.
Amen jeza! 8) 8) 8)
No, i watched him drop an uncontested chest mark 20m out directly in front of goal too.
To you, flyboy and Jeza who all commented on my post.
Every week there is a worst player on your list. It's a simple fact.
What changes is how bad that worst player is. Some weeks the worst player might be top 5 in any other week. Sometimes the worst player would be the worst player in the VFL as well.
Instead of complaining about it, and defending Levi, perhaps point out someone who was worse that him. Nobody has done it....and i think i know the answer.
Why discuss and focus on a negative side of a great win. We all know his kicking was awful and nearly cost us but he did again bust packs, provide a target and contested hard.
So many positives to discuss yet we harp on about one negative.
kruddler , we know your views are inevitably better or more sagacious than the rest.
No one would argue that....it's something we all have to live with.
But Levi was more influential than all the opposition and at least half of our team..., Thomas,
Charlie, SoJ, Wright, Boekhurst and maybe even Murph all missed regulation goals.
Ahs has one forgotten Simmo's dropped 'sitter' from a few week's back?
Watch the replay, then comment.
by the by, he was 11th in our team for footy points. Go figure!
More influential than at least half our team? If there was any credibility associated with you, it just vanished.
Thomas, Charlie, SoJ, Wright and Boekhorst. Those players each kicked a goal (or more) - 7 goals between them.
Murphy, 31 touches.
All less influential than Casboult? Wait. REALLY??
OK, i got you, Casboult was more influential on the result last night than those players because he was almost solely responsible in getting the opposition back in the game!
So yes, you are right. Casboult was more influential than them....and half the team.
Why discuss and focus on a negative side of a great win. We all know his kicking was awful and nearly cost us but he did again bust packs, provide a target and contested hard.
So many positives to discuss yet we harp on about one negative.
yes - all players, not just Levi, need to be evaluated on their whole skill set, game day attributes etc.
Unfortunately, his negative (i.e goal kicking) is a big one. Like I said, one good thing, one bad.............
I feel a bit sorry for Levi tbh. I was watching him in the rooms post game, especially the club song, and he looked down and not fully enjoying the win, for obvious reasons. I thought that nearly everything he did last night was good except for his wretched kicking for goal and the dropped mark was probably a result of a total confidence loss. I really think he would benefit from a spell in the NBs to try and get some confidence back - he must be just a bag of nerves and he needs settling down and tried again before final judgements are made. We don't want to die wondering - but he is bl00dy frustrating.
I thought the same.
Early on his confidence was up and I thought...this might be the night this bloke takes a game apart.
But once the yips started he just seemed to get worse....confidence gone.
I can't think of a player whose best aspects and worse aspects of his game are so far apart.
I do feel for him because form all reports he works pretty hard on his deficiencies.
But had we lost that game it would have all come back to the missed pass and the momentum GC gained from it.
It was a genuine "turning point."
He's being criticised and we won.
Had we lost he would have been crucified and I think he realised that.
What it means is that there is "his worth"...the good with the bad, and any contract negotiations will centre on that.
If some club (feeling that Carlton players often blossom after a move) wants to offer him more then we'll probably lose him.
More influential than at least half our team? If there was any credibility associated with you, it just vanished.
Thomas, Charlie, SoJ, Wright and Boekhorst. Those players each kicked a goal (or more) - 7 goals between them.
Murphy, 31 touches.
All less influential than Casboult? Wait. REALLY??
OK, i got you, Casboult was more influential on the result last night than those players because he was almost solely responsible in getting the opposition back in the game!
So yes, you are right. Casboult was more influential than them....and half the team.
this post shows you've clearly lost this one Kruddler. give it up.
As others have said focus on the win, the positives.
Why discuss and focus on a negative side of a great win. We all know his kicking was awful and nearly cost us but he did again bust packs, provide a target and contested hard.
So many positives to discuss yet we harp on about one negative.
People are pumping up his tyres despite his terrible performance.
I can be positive about it and list all the players that player BETTER than Casboult (despite some saying he was very influential and very important etc) but it'd be a long list. So i took it the other way.
Why are people so afraid at looking at, analysing and trying to rectify our weaknesses?Why must it be considered negative?
No matter how much sugar and/or fairy dust you sprinkle on our win/season/list there are areas we need to improve on. That is not just for us, but all 18 teams this year....and last year....and every year the competition has existed.
If you don't want to read/listen/hear about what areas need some work, then i've got a sandpit you can hide in if it makes you feel better.
As others have said focus on the win, the positives.
Positives.
We have found players for 17/18 starting positions. Only 1 more to go. :P
I really think he would benefit from a spell in the NBs to try and get some confidence back -
Not this week, he needs to make Rance accountable
Not this week, he needs to make Rance accountable
Didn't Weitering touch him up in R1?
If nothing else, Casboult entirely negated May - touted as an AA this year - and a big factor in GC's recent climb up the ladder...and a big part of that was Levi throwing his weight around.....
I guess you simply ain't a big picture type Kruddler.
I thought the same.
Early on his confidence was up and I thought...this might be the night this bloke takes a game apart.
But once the yips started he just seemed to get worse....confidence gone.
I can't think of a player whose best aspects and worse aspects of his game are so far apart.
I do feel for him because form all reports he works pretty hard on his deficiencies.
But had we lost that game it would have all come back to the missed pass and the momentum GC gained from it.
It was a genuine "turning point."
He's being criticised and we won.
Had we lost he would have been crucified and I think he realised that.
What it means is that there is "his worth"...the good with the bad, and any contract negotiations will centre on that.
If some club (feeling that Carlton players often blossom after a move) wants to offer him more then we'll probably lose him.
Agree with all that. I also feel sorry for him, even though he's taken a few years off my life.
Re Casboult, most of us can see his strengths and weaknesses.
For mine the acid is right on young Harry to replace him.
If nothing else, Casboult entirely negated May - touted as an AA this year - and a big factor in GC's recent climb up the ladder...and a big part of that was Levi throwing his weight around.....
I guess you simply ain't a big picture type Kruddler.
Levi's kicking for goal was poor, but he wasn't Robinson Crusoe. I reckon I could have kicked goals that Silvagni, Charlie Curnow and Casboult missed ... and that's a big statement from a notoriously poor kick :)
One of the telling periods in the last quarter was when Kreuzer took a heavy knock and had to spend 5 minutes or so resting in the forward line. Casboult's work in the ruck and around the ground during that time kept us in the game.
People are pumping up his tyres despite his terrible performance.
I can be positive about it and list all the players that player BETTER than Casboult (despite some saying he was very influential and very important etc) but it'd be a long list. So i took it the other way.
Why are people so afraid at looking at, analysing and trying to rectify our weaknesses?
Why must it be considered negative?
No matter how much sugar and/or fairy dust you sprinkle on our win/season/list there are areas we need to improve on. That is not just for us, but all 18 teams this year....and last year....and every year the competition has existed.
If you don't want to read/listen/hear about what areas need some work, then i've got a sandpit you can hide in if it makes you feel better.
Your a funny one kruddler. Seriously you should be a politician. Sprinkle fairy dust and sugar, hiding in a sand pit ....that's gold mate.
I won't try and argue with you as your too talented in diverting and discrediting anyone that disagrees with you, so i won't bother.
Prefer to spend my Sunday enjoying the replay!
Great win away from home, and much to like about the team as they grow. A definate style is emerging that seems to be combining the well organised defence of the modern era with pace moving the ball forward. Well done to the coaching team and the senior players that are doing some very heavy lifting as they carry many of the young players through their first 30 odd games.
Gibbs played his best game since the 2013 elimination. Combining long accurate kicking with 10 tackles and 2 very classy goals is a 10 out of 10 performance. Liked many of our young midfielders. They drifted in and out, but worked hard. Boekhoarst, despite missing his second chance with a silly dribble kick added run. The run is especially important as we are playing a 5 or sometimes 4 man forward line.
Actually felt casboult has addressed the biggest problem of his game in the past two weeks: his work rate. He is getting to contests and bringing the ball to ground well. Problem is that as work rate has risen, fatigue has set in and one reverts to old kicking habits. His job is to kick goals.
Feel for barlow, that looks career ending, a real shame.
Bring on richmond! Should be a great day at the footy.
If nothing else, Casboult entirely negated May - touted as an AA this year - and a big factor in GC's recent climb up the ladder...and a big part of that was Levi throwing his weight around.....
I guess you simply ain't a big picture type Kruddler.
Levi crashing packs and being so physical is vital in such as inexperienced forward line.
He hurt May in one passage of play, which is no easy feat.
SOJ, fisher, SPS to name a few walk taller with a brute like Levi around.
His kicking will always be below par, which is such a pity BUT he still has some qualities our young team relies on.
Levi crashing packs and being so physical is vital in such as inexperienced forward line.
He hurt May in one passage of play, which is no easy feat.
SOJ, fisher, SPS to name a few walk taller with a brute like Levi around.
His kicking will always be below par, which is such a pity BUT he still has some qualities our young team relies on.
I agree with all that, which only leaves both our club Levi exposed to criticism. I hope for his sake this goes away, because after the game it looked like he had the world on his shoulders. It looked to me like he is on a last chance!
Worse for me, early Levi's marking was red hot and his confidence should have been high, but with each missed set shot at goal his hands became less and less effective as his own confidence evaporated! It doesn't just sap his own confidence, it affects those around him. Last night it's like they played in difference of those deficiencies, but that motivation might only have limited longevity.
The coaches have a real dilemma, I suspect they love the pack smashing Levi but hate the kicking Levi. Not just the goal kicking Levi, but that cross to SoJ that resulted in a turnover. I'm not sure how long coaches can or will persist!
I suspect one way or another we'll find out well before the end of the season based on selections.
If BB can turn this into a positive outcome for both club and player he should receive a lifetime contract!
Again rapt about the way we won as well as the win itself. Consistent effort for the whole game and to steady after they got in front.
Gibbs! Only had to wait 10 years but we finally got what we thought we recruited. It's games like this that make me even more frustrated with him, has all the talent, size and skill in the world.
Jones with a great follow up performance, hopefully another one against Riewoldt. A couple of two handed punches not sure if because of the conditions but mark it!
I hate commenting about umpiring but it was bordering pathetic at times. I think there was one bloke in paticular, heaps of muck ups without going through them all but it was the classic umpires game tonight. Two lower teams, interstate, no care factor by the media so umpires think the game is about them and invent and change rules on the fly.
levi in 2017 has kicked 18.9 - 66.6%
so it was 18.6 before last night. 75%.
levi in 2017 has kicked 18.9 - 66.6%
so it was 18.6 before last night. 75%.
When you include his out on the full shots
18.9 (6) = 54.5%
As per AFL website.
Your a funny one kruddler. Seriously you should be a politician. Sprinkle fairy dust and sugar, hiding in a sand pit ....that's gold mate.
I won't try and argue with you as your too talented in diverting and discrediting anyone that disagrees with you, so i won't bother.
Prefer to spend my Sunday enjoying the replay!
Ignorance is bliss. ;)
Enjoy the replay. I watched a bit of it last night already.
Just take note of what went right and what went wrong.....and why.
Not this week, he needs to make Rance accountable
That's a two edged sword TC - anyway selection will be interesting.
yes - all players, not just Levi, need to be evaluated on their whole skill set, game day attributes etc.
Unfortunately, his negative (i.e goal kicking) is a big one. Like I said, one good thing, one bad.............
If it was only his goal kicking that would be of enough concern but he turns over too many of his general field kicks as well.
As someone else posted, he's the best we've got at the moment, but let's not kid ourselves about his ability.
He's a very good overhead mark, but so was Brad Fisher, if we want to play in the big dance we'll need an upgrade on Levi.
I'd like to see 1 more tall forward in. Charlie, Cas and Harry would be a lot more dangerous. Kreuzers goals have dried up a bit too and Murphy seems a bit down on his normal goal output. Doesn't seem to rest forward like he's done in the past.
I'd like to see 1 more tall forward in. Charlie, Cas and Harry would be a lot more dangerous. Kreuzers goals have dried up a bit too and Murphy seems a bit down on his normal goal output. Doesn't seem to rest forward like he's done in the past.
Have to agree with that idea. We seem to be one marking target short at the moment. Hopefully big harry gets a run soon.
On another note, I'm glad we won last night as we've got some tough games ahead - Richmond, Adelaide, Melbourne and the doggies all at the MCG before heading back to Queensland to play the Lions.
If it was only his goal kicking that would be of enough concern but he turns over too many of his general field kicks as well.
As someone else posted, he's the best we've got at the moment, but let's not kid ourselves about his ability.
He's a very good overhead mark, but so was Brad Fisher, if we want to play in the big dance we'll need an upgrade on Levi.
His field kicking, like every aspect of his game, depends on his head state. When he starts well, he's ok. Once the mistakes start, then.........
I've said it before. More than anything, he needs a head coach, not a kicking coach. He can't seem to hold his head high once he starts making errors.
If only we could bottle some of the cockiness and blind arrogance that Carey and other top players had. I'm not comparing output, but that sort of attitude would hold Cas in good stead.
His field kicking, like every aspect of his game, depends on his head state. When he starts well, he's ok. Once the mistakes start, then.........
I've said it before. More than anything, he needs a head coach, not a kicking coach. He can't seem to hold his head high once he starts making errors.
If only we could bottle some of the cockiness and blind arrogance that Carey and other top players had. I'm not comparing output, but that sort of attitude would hold Cas in good stead.
If he struggles in the head dept Paul, especially under a coach such as BB, then he would struggle anywhere. That single issue, if indeed the case (and it certainly seems like it), would make other clubs very wary of taking him on board.
If he struggles in the head dept Paul, especially under a coach such as BB, then he would struggle anywhere. That single issue, if indeed the case (and it certainly seems like it), would make other clubs very wary of taking him on board.
I would think so, unless they have a way of overcoming his mental fragility - a way that seems to have eluded us.
His technique is poor so he'll never have reliable foot skills.
As far as his head space goes, if it's an issue at 27 after 80 odd games I wouldn't be expecting miracles.
He's done well for a low pick in the rookie draft but we'll need something better if we want to be a serious contender, we only got away with it last night because we were playing a bottom 8 side.
His technique is poor so he'll never have reliable foot skills.
As far as his head space goes, if it's an issue at 27 after 80 odd games I wouldn't be expecting miracles.
He's done well for a low pick in the rookie draft but we'll need something better if we want to be a serious contender, we only got away with it last night because we were playing a bottom 8 side.
Yes, Levi has been on our list for several seasons, he's had 2 stints with Rocca, and we have to accept that the bad Levi will always be there. I can't see any aspect of his game improving - if the club isn't happy with him now, then it's never going to happen. He definitely does good things, but those are countered by................. well, we're just going around in circles here.
Yes, Levi has been on our list for several seasons, he's had 2 stints with Rocca, and we have to accept that the bad Levi will always be there. I can't see any aspect of his game improving - if the club isn't happy with him now, then it's never going to happen. He definitely does good things, but those are countered by................. well, we're just going around in circles here.
Selection for R14 will definitely be interesting although Levi may be the default due to others not being ready/available.
And on a side note, the only forward in our team that allows me to relax and uncurl my toes is Matty Wright. When he's having a shot, I know we'll be ok. The others, Levi, SOJ, CC, and some of our cameo goal kickers (e.g Murph, Gibbs etc.) all give me the willies.
Re Casboult, most of us can see his strengths and weaknesses.
For mine the acid is right on young Harry to replace him.
Harry needs to debut with casboult in the team and I reckon he will do so in the next 4 weeks (all at the g)
Harry needs to debut with casboult in the team and I reckon he will do so in the next 4 weeks (all at the g)
Dunno if Im being harsh but he showed nothing in the 2s yesterday. Perhaps he just has a long way to go.
Dunno if Im being harsh but he showed nothing in the 2s yesterday. Perhaps he just has a long way to go.
Yeah GIC I watched the first QTR only. For mine he had intent and good effort. I noticed a few times he led and was ignored or they didn't see him. I don't think it was a good day for our forwards.
I listen to the Carlton show podcast and the thought process there is he will be better in the 1s than the twos, but selection needs to be consistent and he needs to put in at least one strong game in the next month to get in.
............. well, we're just going around in circles here.
We are, I'm only trying to inject a dose of reality into the discussion.
Most of us fully realise that a key forward is an urgent priority and in the absence of one we indulge in wishful thinking about Levi, it's understandable but it won't win finals.
Yeah GIC I watched the first QTR only. For mine he had intent and good effort. I noticed a few times he led and was ignored or they didn't see him. I don't think it was a good day for our forwards.
I listen to the Carlton show podcast and the thought process there is he will be better in the 1s than the twos, but selection needs to be consistent and he needs to put in at least one strong game in the next month to get in.
The thing that stood out for me was that when our two ruckman went down, Kerr went into the ruck (and I used that phrase loosely as the poor kid was clueless) but Harry didnt. I imagine they were protecting him from being knocked around, I guess thats more proof that he has a long way to go. He landed on his back/buttocks and limped off. Hope it was nothing serious as he needs come continuity to develop.
Dunno if Im being harsh but he showed nothing in the 2s yesterday. Perhaps he just has a long way to go.
He shows undoubted talent but not consistently.
He's 50/50 in my opinion and to be on the safe side we should be looking at all the available options.
The thing that stood out for me was that when our two ruckman went down, Kerr went into the ruck (and I used that phrase loosely as the poor kid was clueless) but Harry didnt. I imagine they were protecting him from being knocked around, I guess thats more proof that he has a long way to go. He landed on his back/buttocks and limped off. Hope it was nothing serious as he needs come continuity to develop.
I'd read into that that they were wanting to protect him?
We are, I'm only trying to inject a dose of reality into the discussion.
Most of us fully realise that a key forward is an urgent priority and in the absence of one we indulge in wishful thinking about Levi, it's understandable but it won't win finals.
There you go... Exactly. Bottom line is we are witnessing the best that Meat can deliver. He tried hard yesterday and did some good things, but, well... back going in circles again...
Almost no one will believe this, but 10 minutes into yesterday's game I was REALLY excited about the way Casboult started and thought I might be about to witness his best game in Navy and I was readying to come in and give him effusive praise.
Then he started to die off and then he turned it into a horror show, to the stage I really felt sorry for the big fella, cause I reckon he was giving it a red hot crack, but that ball that was cut off in the 3rd just done his head in.
I seen someone somewhere saying that he went into the ruck in the last and turned it around for us (unless I read it wrong, it was just on my phone), which isn't true, when he did go into the ruck they got a quick clearance, a Swallow mark and a goal, then Kreuz was back in again.
Anyway, I watched his kicking over a few times yesterday and what I would like to see him try (it can't hurt) is holding the point of the ball pointed back in towards him a bit more. I think it will lead to a better drop and might well help.
Casboult came very close to costing a win last night and it doesn't need to be said here, you could tell and his teammates could tell that he knew it.
The thing that stood out for me was that when our two ruckman went down, Kerr went into the ruck (and I used that phrase loosely as the poor kid was clueless) but Harry didnt. I imagine they were protecting him from being knocked around, I guess thats more proof that he has a long way to go. He landed on his back/buttocks and limped off. Hope it was nothing serious as he needs come continuity to develop.
I wondered why HM didnt ruck, maybe they figured Pruess and Daw were going to dominate anyway and Harry was our best chance to kick a winning score or maybe like you said they were looking after him....
Pruess is one mean looking hombre...22 years old....thats a mature face he has on him, looks about 30 plus....206cm and around 110 kegs....scary unit for some of our baby faced kids.... :o
Almost no one will believe this, but 10 minutes into yesterday's game I was REALLY excited about the way Casboult started and thought I might be about to witness his best game in Navy and I was readying to come in and give him effusive praise.
Nope
I believe it.
I said exactly the same thing a few pages back.
At first glance his stats aren't bad but it would be interesting to see a quarter breakdown of those because his start and finish were chalk and cheese.
I'd read into that that they were wanting to protect him?
Agree, = not ready.
I wondered why HM didnt ruck,.........
I heard / overheard a discussion that to the club's surprise the medicos discovered HM was still growing when he joined the club!
That could explain them keeping him away from the ruck, rucking a youth against men is one quick way to ruin a kids knee joints and future.
Could also explain why his twin hasn't got a run at Norp yet!
Almost no one will believe this, but 10 minutes into yesterday's game I was REALLY excited about the way Casboult started and thought I might be about to witness his best game in Navy and I was readying to come in and give him effusive praise.
Then he started to die off and then he turned it into a horror show, to the stage I really felt sorry for the big fella, cause I reckon he was giving it a red hot crack, but that ball that was cut off in the 3rd just done his head in.
I seen someone somewhere saying that he went into the ruck in the last and turned it around for us (unless I read it wrong, it was just on my phone), which isn't true, when he did go into the ruck they got a quick clearance, a Swallow mark and a goal, then Kreuz was back in again.
Anyway, I watched his kicking over a few times yesterday and what I would like to see him try (it can't hurt) is holding the point of the ball pointed back in towards him a bit more. I think it will lead to a better drop and might well help.
Casboult came very close to costing a win last night and it doesn't need to be said here, you could tell and his teammates could tell that he knew it.
That was me and I stand by what I wrote; without Casboult providing a contest in the ruck while Kreuzer was recovering, Gold Coast would have run over us.
I guess Casboult didn't really make the perfectly weighted kick to Daisy for a goal either ::)
His kicking for goal was poor but he still made an important contribution to our win.
I guess Casboult didn't really make the perfectly weighted kick to Daisy for a goal either ::)
His kicking for goal was poor but he still made an important contribution to our win.
Check the opening posts in the in game thread....
He was great early and absolutely awful later. That is simply factual.
That was me and I stand by what I wrote; without Casboult providing a contest in the ruck while Kreuzer was recovering, Gold Coast would have run over us.
I guess Casboult didn't really make the perfectly weighted kick to Daisy for a goal either ::)
His kicking for goal was poor but he still made an important contribution to our win.
It's all about the numbers, going at 50/50 won't get you the gold medal!
That was me and I stand by what I wrote; without Casboult providing a contest in the ruck while Kreuzer was recovering, Gold Coast would have run over us.
Standing in and getting beaten in the ruck makes him important to the win? I don't think he was instrumental at all in ruck duels in last and I gave credit to him early in the first because he looked fantastic, but I can look at the rest of the game and see he let the team down particularly in the last 45-50 minutes (despite still taking come good marks at times).
By the last he looked completely shot and it looked like those around him knew it also.
Gibbs was absolutely outstanding with 43 disp, 8 marks, 10 tackles and 2 goals.
This was one of Bryce Gibbs' best ever games. He worked excellently in the middle, ensuring we got clearances. He had serious leather poisoning and appeared to challenge himself to get more than Ablett did. One of the great games.
Almost won that in spite of Levi.
Indeed. Levi had 8 marks and had the possessions to make a dominant game, but things just didn't work for him yesterday. His kicks fell short when he was passing the ball, except for an almost perfect kick to Thomas. His kicking for goal was terrible - the ball drop was high and he didn't settle down and fix it he tried to kick it harder. He almost played May into form in the last quarter when he read the ball poorly in the air and didn't put any pressure on May. His ruck work was much less effective than it has been recently. After an excellent first 20 minutes or so, he really had a game to forget.
That won't be the case all of the time, but he really had a game that nightmares are made of.
This was one of Bryce Gibbs' best ever games. He worked excellently in the middle, ensuring we got clearances. He had serious leather poisoning and appeared to challenge himself to get more than Ablett did. One of the great games.
Kruezer also in career best form... would love to see him destroy Nankervis next week.
Kruezer also in career best form... would love to see him destroy Nankervis next week.
He played quite reasonably against Nankervis last time, but the bloke wouldn't stay beaten. :( Since then Kreuzer has, if anything, improved. His confidence is up. As long as he respects Nankervis and keeps him under control, we will have a decent chance.
This was one of Bryce Gibbs' best ever games. He worked excellently in the middle, ensuring we got clearances. He had serious leather poisoning and appeared to challenge himself to get more than Ablett did. One of the great games.
Gibbs certainly looks like he is committed to the Navy Blue cause......
One thing for sure, if Adelaide does come knocking in October after another failed September, they might be a bit more willing to pay overs if he keeps playing like this.
we've had 2 back man come out of nowhere to stiffen the backline
ASOS and jones
The other around them have lifted because of it
Docherty is AA lock in. Would love to see him run through the middle more. Reads the play effortlessly
Gibbs - Best game for us (since i can remember) added some cnt to his game.
C. Curnow is improving with confidence. I was a little concerned earlier, the speed of the game was too much for him
Thomas is improving, Good move blues, getting the distraction of contracts away from cobblers
When we were challenged and we held, i thought the frenetic pace of the week before and the wasted chances earlier , we would capitulate
Thats what we're used to as supporters. But we held, resisted, regrouped and found a way to win. This is the coach, this is the belief he has instilled into this group.
We are no longer a club, no players would want to come to
I thought he was one of the keys to our win. I'm not potting our players after a brilliant win - that's your thing.
Beating gc at home is a great effort let alone with half our team under 21. Awesome.
Totally agree.
Without efforts of the much maligned Levi and Daisy, the benchmark could have been much lower. Love em or hate em, they set the tone for a fabulous standard.
Excellent effort from the stars to the boot lacers. Like with GWS, we witnessed our boys pull off a 8-10 goal turnaround from out last outing. Progress even to our stiffest critic - surely.
Go new Blues
Enjoy your celebration bluebaggers
Gibbs certainly looks like he is committed to the Navy Blue cause......
One thing for sure, if Adelaide does come knocking in October after another failed September, they might be a bit more willing to pay overs if he keeps playing like this.
Yes, after that performance it's hard to imagine Gibbs still has a mind to leave now.
Maybe that or...It could be that despite some opinions to the contrary before the season started that he's displaying a great deal of professionalism and may still seek a move at the end of the year.
If so it's a credit to him and in stark contrast to some who have left us in recent times.
Agree Lods, I remember some talking that we messed up by keeping him, because he would sulk and you don't want a player who doesn't want to be there etc.
Gibbs has shut every one of them up, because good or bad in patches, he cannot be accused of not trying. He has been absolutely professional and even if he does seek a trade at the end of the year, he is an example to be used whenever someone says "oh you don't want to keep a player once he requests a trade".
I think on current form he has to be in our top 4 in our B&F if it is announced today.
With Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer & Docherty the clear standouts this year to date
Gibbs is getting better and better.
His form this year has been phenomenal has not scored under 90 in Fantasy points as a case in point he has already kicked 11 goals. He likes playing on big stage and against Richmond as well so expect another big one from Bryce.
Agree Lods, I remember some talking that we messed up by keeping him, because he would sulk and you don't want a player who doesn't want to be there etc.
Gibbs has shut every one of them up, because good or bad in patches, he cannot be accused of not trying. He has been absolutely professional and even if he does seek a trade at the end of the year, he is an example to be used whenever someone says "oh you don't want to keep a player once he requests a trade".
I think on current form he has to be in our top 4 in our B&F if it is announced today.
With Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer & Docherty the clear standouts this year to date
I still say he is goneski comes year's end but credit to him for 'putting in'.
It was a stellar effort Saturday night, from Gibbs and his team mates, no question.
Yes, after that performance it's hard to imagine Gibbs still has a mind to leave now.
He was equally as good against Geelong last year I reckon. The fact the he has been so professional means it's hard for us to know his intentions for sure. I still think he will go, particularly if Adelaide don't win the flag. Use those picks to secure hopper and god willing Kelly. (Along with some other picks/ players no doubt)
He was equally as good against Geelong last year I reckon. The fact the he has been so professional means it's hard for us to know his intentions for sure. I still think he will go, particularly if Adelaide don't win the flag. Use those picks to secure hopper and god willing Kelly. (Along with some other picks/ players no doubt)
Ah well, if he does want to go at least we can ask top price for him. I would like him to play out his career with us though.
Wow. What a game from Gibbs. Best game I've seen him play...from memory anyway. Really influential. This has been a criticism at times I, and others, have had of Gibbs - he doesn't influence games enough. Well, he certainly did on the weekend. If either SA Clubs want him, it's gonna cost...big time! His trade price just keeps going up. I wonder if he still really wants out?
If he does go, and I reckon there's a very goof chance he still does, we'll need to replace him with proven player(s). Can't replace a 28 year old in form midfielder with U18 kids. It will need to again be a mix.
I'm loving that we don't want to, or need to, play the likes of Kerridge, Palmer, Armfield, White, Graham and the like. It's a good sign! The kids, and senior players, are holding their own...and some!!!
Re Casboult, most of us can see his strengths and weaknesses.
For mine the acid is right on young Harry to replace him.
Not after Saturdays goal kicking performance. Just as bad as cas in front of goal. Kicked 1.3 I think on Saturday from some very gettable set shots in front.
Not after Saturdays goal kicking performance. Just as bad as cas in front of goal. Kicked 1.3 I think on Saturday from some very gettable set shots in front.
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His form this year has been phenomenal has not scored under 90 in Fantasy points as a case in point he has already kicked 11 goals. He likes playing on big stage and against Richmond as well so expect another big one from Bryce.
I hope you're right but I suspect Richmond will wear him closer than a 'legitimate' suburban massage girls stocking.
I hope you're right but I suspect Richmond will wear him closer than a 'legitimate' suburban massage girls stocking.
Yes, Gibbs is sure to get a lot of attention. However, that should mean free rein for Murphy and Cripps.
Yes, Gibbs is sure to get a lot of attention. However, that should mean free rein for Murphy and Cripps.
Exactly why he should tag Martin
Totally against Gibbs tagging Martin. He should be playing basically the exact same game as last week.
He should put a lot of body pressure on Martin as often as he can, but Curnow should have the run with role.
Neither Curnow or Gibbs can mix it with Martin ....we have been trying for years to limit him without success. Gary Ablett jr is a nice clean player but he doesnt have the power of Martin in close and thats where he always gets our players as none can lay a tackle on him.
Maybe Gibbs can play off Martin and hope to cause equal amount of damage but I'd expect Hardwick to tag Gibbs and play defensive forwards on at least Docherty and maybe Simpson..
If Cripps had more pace I would try him on Martin...thought he was down last week and his direct opponent in Lyons was GC's best player....
Neither Curnow or Gibbs can mix it with Martin ....we have been trying for years to limit him without success. Gary Ablett jr is a nice clean player but he doesnt have the power of Martin in close and thats where he always gets our players as none can lay a tackle on him.
Maybe Gibbs can play off Martin and hope to cause equal amount of damage but I'd expect Hardwick to tag Gibbs and play defensive forwards on at least Docherty and maybe Simpson..
If Cripps had more pace I would try him on Martin...thought he was down last week and his direct opponent in Lyons was GC's best player....
Martin ran riot rnd 1, that will not happen this Sunday, of this I am supremely confident.
Martin ran riot rnd 1, that will not happen this Sunday, of this I am supremely confident.
i would be telling the Bolt to clean up Dusty if he gets the chance, ditto Jones....
Martin ran riot rnd 1, that will not happen this Sunday, of this I am supremely confident.
Some of our blokes will have to grit their teeth and attempt to tackle him then...1st round they were throwing one arm out or jumping out the road...it was shades of when we played Barry Hall in the bad old days. You have to take the beast head on and show you wont be intimidated...needs a leader to do that....
SOS is this week's Rising Star!
i would be telling the Bolt to clean up Dusty if he gets the chance, ditto Jones....
The Bolt and Dusty tangled in the 1st round and from memory the Bolt didnt want to mix it....bit embarrassing ....
SOS is this week's Rising Star!
Dusty is not going to be put off his game by pushing him around... id prefer us to win it without any of those dirty tactics, I've always hated how Murph has been targeted by opposition players and I'd prefer to show our skill rather than rough play
Dusty is not going to be put off his game by pushing him around... id prefer us to win it without any of those dirty tactics, I've always hated how Murph has been targeted by opposition players and I'd prefer to show our skill rather than rough play
I agree, but we're firmly in the minority. The tagging scragging niggling etc. is seemingly here to stay, by popular demand as much as anything else.
And I should add - I get the feeling Bolts is a bit of a fan of the niggle, either in verbal or physical form, so i expect we'll see plenty of this in the near future.
And I should add - I get the feeling Bolts is a bit of a fan of the niggle, either in verbal or physical form, so i expect we'll see plenty of this in the near future.
Agree....think the harassment of Ablett was a well engineered plan rather than a after thought.......
TARGET this week....not Dusty as most would expect but the captain Trent Cotchin...the Cotch is a nice clean ball player who has had his moments with taggers and I reckon Ed Curnow and his band of merry assistants might find him suitable prey. ;)
Dusty is not going to be put off his game by pushing him around... id prefer us to win it without any of those dirty tactics, I've always hated how Murph has been targeted by opposition players and I'd prefer to show our skill rather than rough play
I dont agree with anything cowardice behind play or taking players out, but there is nothing wrong with strong, close attention with abit of niggle. Its simply reducing his space to operate. If he is good enough and fit enough, he will get off the chain, if he isnt, he gets nullified. Thats footy. As for his fending off, Ive said it before and Ill say it again, its easy to deal with. Our little mate Rioli at Hawthorn is 2/3 of Martin's size but could deal with him easy as he has the technique of tackling by the arm down pat.
Neither Curnow or Gibbs can mix it with Martin ....we have been trying for years to limit him without success. Gary Ablett jr is a nice clean player but he doesnt have the power of Martin in close and thats where he always gets our players as none can lay a tackle on him.
Maybe Gibbs can play off Martin and hope to cause equal amount of damage but I'd expect Hardwick to tag Gibbs and play defensive forwards on at least Docherty and maybe Simpson..
If Cripps had more pace I would try him on Martin...thought he was down last week and his direct opponent in Lyons was GC's best player....
We have successfully taken Martin out of a game. Not surprisingly nobody remembers, because it is the often overlooked Simon White who did it. Ran with him through the middle and matched up on him up forward.
I reckon it might be worth attempting to do that again.
That also allows us to play Weitering forward who towelled up Rance in R1 - kicking 3.
OUT: Willo (rest)
IN: White.
And I should add - I get the feeling Bolts is a bit of a fan of the niggle, either in verbal or physical form, so i expect we'll see plenty of this in the near future.
he grew up with it, as a DaWKS' coach....
Agree....think the harassment of Ablett was a well engineered plan rather than a after thought.......
TARGET this week....not Dusty as most would expect but the captain Trent Cotchin...the Cotch is a nice clean ball player who has had his moments with taggers and I reckon Ed Curnow and his band of merry assistants might find him suitable prey. ;)
The old West Indies tactic of targetting the captain to bring down the rest of the team.
The old West Indies tactic of targetting the captain to bring down the rest of the team.
i'd be expecting Richmond to attack Docherty this week. I hope he's ready.
I don't think that's going to work this time. Vickery isn't there anymore to rough up the little blokes and kids.
i'd be expecting Richmond to attack Docherty this week. I hope he's ready.
Go to 00:50 and listen to Doc, he and his team mates will be ready.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2017-06-17/the-journey-s2e4
We have successfully taken Martin out of a game. Not surprisingly nobody remembers, because it is the often overlooked Simon White who did it. Ran with him through the middle and matched up on him up forward.
I reckon it might be worth attempting to do that again.
That also allows us to play Weitering forward who towelled up Rance in R1 - kicking 3.
OUT: Willo (rest)
IN: White.
Now that you mention it I do remember White playing on him and doing well....yep worth a try and Weitering forward to play on Rance isnt a bad idea either.
Be more inclined to drop Boekhorst who was suited to GC but I'm not so keen on him vs the Tigers but I take your point that Williamson looks a bit jaded and might need to be managed..
While there is no doubt that targetting players has gone on forever, I think that the spirit of how it is done now is quite nasty and unwarranted - something that seems to have come into the game over the last few weeks (hadn't noticed it before we targetted Heeney? from the Swans) - particularly before the first bounce.
Hopefully the umpires crack down on it hard and quickly for even the slightest misdemeanor. It seems that we haven't had anyone targetted yet, however, it will happen.
MRP also has to lift its game. We need clean, strong, tough footy, not a whole lot of cheap shots.
I am the opposite I love it.
It isn't dirty shots hitting a player whilst down, but it is putting a body on a player at every opportunity and there is no thing within the rules stopping it.
I wanted us to stop being so 'nice' on the field. All premiership teams recently have some real mongrel in them and Hawthorn in particular was a nasty bunch of screws that let you know you were playing a physical game at ever opportunity. Remember this was not the Hawthorn model 12 years ago, they made an effort to become more nasty.
I have been calling for to play a more anti-social brand of football for a while, so I LOVED seeing this against the Suns and I hope we keep it up. I hope clubs start to hate playing us.
I wanted us to stop being so 'nice' on the field.
I agree, so long we've been the road kill that the vultures of other clubs pecked at!
On the issue of the Ablett type treatment, as long as the bumps and knocks are within the rules I'm OK with that. Having heard Judd talk about the attention he got he's OK with it as well, for him that is football and changing it would make the game irrevocably different.
I think you'll find Ablett is OK with that as well, as long as it's fair. He got frustrated, but I think you'll find that was partly because what was lacking at the weekend was cover from his own team-mates. GC played in the way we use to play, they left Ablett to the wolves like we used to leave Murphy! When Ablett got himself back in the game after 1/2-time, that is a moment footballers can be proud of, it really means something to succeed despite adversity!
The thing we don't want are the king hits and cheap shots, which are very different from what we saw at the weekend. If one of our players or any opposition player throw a Rosa type cross I want them banned for even minimal impact, if the impact is major I want severe penalties. That sort of sh1t, king hits, raised elbows(Lindsay Thomas style), short arm jabs, there is no room in the game for it! Players have the right to expect the game to be played hard but fair!
While there is no doubt that targetting players has gone on forever, I think that the spirit of how it is done now is quite nasty and unwarranted - something that seems to have come into the game over the last few weeks (hadn't noticed it before we targetted Heeney? from the Swans) - particularly before the first bounce.
Hopefully the umpires crack down on it hard and quickly for even the slightest misdemeanor. It seems that we haven't had anyone targetted yet, however, it will happen.
MRP also has to lift its game. We need clean, strong, tough footy, not a whole lot of cheap shots.
Agree - there are numerous negating tactics that can be employed by teams on star players, or players that are deemed to be the weak link. Some of these tactics are fair enough - strong tackles, clean hits, close checking etc. But some are not.
If I pay good money to see a game, I want to be able to see the likes of Ablett ply their trade and play footy at a high level. If they are to be challenged, then challenge them legitimately. I have no interest in seeing someone like him buffeted, bumped, jumper punched, held onto etc., by some no name twerp who can't earn their keep any other way.
I agree, so long we've been the road kill that the vultures of other clubs pecked at!
On the issue of the Ablett type treatment, as long as the bumps and knocks are within the rules I'm OK with that. Having heard Judd talk about the attention he got he's OK with it as well, for him that is football and changing it would make the game irrevocably different.
I think you'll find Ablett is OK with that as well, as long as it's fair. He got frustrated, but I think you'll find that was partly because what was lacking at the weekend was cover from his own team-mates. GC played in the way we use to play, they left Ablett to the wolves like we used to leave Murphy! When Ablett got himself back in the game after 1/2-time, that is a moment footballers can be proud of, it really means something to succeed despite adversity!
The thing we don't want are the king hits and cheap shots, which are very different from what we saw at the weekend. If one of our players or any opposition player throw a Rosa type cross I want them banned for even minimal impact, if the impact is major I want severe penalties. That sort of sh1t, king hits, raised elbows(Lindsay Thomas style), short arm jabs, there is no room in the game for it! Players have the right to expect the game to be played hard but fair!
From what I have seen the umps let it go when its just bumping, pushing etc like Ablett received however the team initiating that stuff dont get any favours back when the opposition ie Rosa have a crack back and they get away with it even though it can be more severe. I'd expect Richmond to give us what we gave GC and it will a spiteful game... a player like Murphy might need the helmet on again...
Vlastuin and Ellis fancy themselves as hard men and I think they are the types that will try and start the Ablett like treatment...hope we dont get sucked in...
Miss Robbo in these games, he was always good value vs the Tigers...
From what I have seen the umps let it go when its just bumping, pushing etc like Ablett received however the team initiating that stuff dont get any favours back when the opposition ie Rosa have a crack back and they get away with it even though it can be more severe. I'd expect Richmond to give us what we gave GC and it will a spiteful game... a player like Murphy might need the helmet on again...
Vlastuin and Ellis fancy themselves as hard men and I think they are the types that will try and start the Ablett like treatment...hope we dont get sucked in...
Miss Robbo in these games, he was always good value vs the Tigers...
EB1, on the Ablett Jnr issue.
We've watched this sort of stuff happen to Judd and Murphy for almost a decade without so much as a peep coming from the media or social media. Now we turn the tables on Ablett Snr, and all of a sudden there is an outrage!
I suspect the outrage is more about shock around non-Carlton people that Carlton is no longer laying down for it's regular thrashing! The bullies have become too use to bullying us and they are bitching when we push back, they are struggling to deal with losing to us when the excuse that they were off their own game doesn't fly!
EB1, on the Ablett Jnr issue.
We've watched this sort of stuff happen to Judd and Murphy for almost a decade without so much as a peep coming from the media or social media. Now we turn the tables on Ablett Snr, and all of a sudden there is an outrage!
I suspect the outrage is more about shock around non-Carlton people that Carlton is no longer laying down for it's regular thrashing! The bullies have become too use to bullying us and they are bitching when we push back, they are struggling to deal with losing to us when the excuse that they were off their own game doesn't fly!
The AFL website and the Age realfooty website make no mention at all of the treatment dished out to Gaz. Where is this media outrage ?
The one thing I think is unsavoury is what the Melbourne players did on twitter with Johanisson from the Bulldogs.
Telling him hes "next" for physical intimidation by the two players looking to do it ahead of time on Twitter is outright borderline bullying.
Despite that, giving him a warning that its coming is quite stupid and means he can start working on ways to nullify it or get prepared (mentally) for it. Don't underestimate the surprise factor in terms of accomplishing the job.
I hope we never resort to such stuff, and are known as being tough, but fair to play against, which ties into the respect side of things.
Melbourne are not ever going to earn respect, and I am absolutely unsurprised to see this stuff emerge under an ex-Essendon coach in Simon Goodwin.
The AFL website and the Age realfooty website make no mention at all of the treatment dished out to Gaz. Where is this media outrage ?
They made a bit of a deal of it on Fox Footy last night.
Curnow's tactics aren't good for the game but when "Lingy" used to do them he was a legend.
All the callers think it's hilarious when "Mummy" flattens blokes but it's undisciplined when Lyndsey Thomas does it.
When Mitchell, Hodge and Selwood all punch on it's great to see warriors going at it but when Yarran beat up Paul Chapman it was uncalled for.
These are the same commentators that called fans racist for booing Adam Goodes.
The AFL website and the Age realfooty website make no mention at all of the treatment dished out to Gaz. Where is this media outrage ?
Mostly today I'm hearing attempts to beat it up on radio, but I think they are failing which is a good thing, it's like the last few days when the media tried it's best to beat up the Daisy bump.
I heard today a comment in relation to Buckley's anti-media rant that players fully understand that the role of the media is to express an opinion, but that's not correct. It's the media's role is to report, it's the editors role is to express the opinions of the organisation they and the journalists represent!
The players are confusing the right of bloggers or journalist to publish a private opinion in a private forum, with the role and responsibilities of a journalist in a public media entity!
They made a bit of a deal of it on Fox Footy last night.
Curnow's tactics aren't good for the game but when "Lingy" used to do them he was a legend.
All the callers think it's hilarious when "Mummy" flattens blokes but it's undisciplined when Lyndsey Thomas does it.
When Mitchell, Hodge and Selwood all punch on it's great to see warriors going at it but when Yarran beat up Paul Chapman it was uncalled for.
These are the same commentators that called fans racist for booing Adam Goodes.
I won't comment on your last sentence, but existing hypocrisies should not be used to legitimate further hypocrisies, and should not be used to legitimate further unsavory behavior. Hypocrisy exists - we all know that, and it's endemic to being human. There's a difference between hypocrisy and genuinely believing that two situations are different, however similar they may seem to others, but that's for another time.
As for Ling, no player is perfect, but I thought as far as taggers go, he was cleaner than most. Granted, i didn't watch every game he played, so I can't comment further.
So to be clear here Paul.
Just to be sure I am understanding your position...
Do you think bumping into a player off the ball is dirty?
Do you think what we done to Ablett needs to be stamped out?
If so I think every player who has ever played the game has to be classed as dirty.
Nothing done to Ablett last week was dirty (in my opinion).
An players injury wasn't targeted, we haven't heard unsavory personal sledging.
To me it was absolutely perfectly played.
From what I can tell, the players let Ablett know he was playing a physical contest and it has happened forever and I would had to see it disappear.
God how often even at junior football would you have a bit of push and shove, shoulder bumping, chest pumping... seriously. The game must stay physical (whilst stamping out dirtiness).
MIO,
no. I think that Ablett's treatment was within the rules. No, I don't think it's dirty, but personally I don't like it.
MIO,
no. I think that Ablett's treatment was within the rules. No, I don't think it's dirty, but personally I don't like it.
I loved it when I saw Fox Footy talking about us like this last night. Imagine being known for physically bullying other clubs when half our team are U21!
I do not recall anyone taking up this baton when it was Murphy on the receiving end.
It is a physical game and Bolton is teaching the youngsters if you're not the bully you're probably the bullied. Physical intimidation is an important part of the game.
Love it.
I loved it when I saw Fox Footy talking about us like this last night. Imagine being known for physically bullying other clubs when half our team are U21!
I do not recall anyone taking up this baton when it was Murphy on the receiving end.
It is a physical game and Bolton is teaching the youngsters if you're not the bully you're probably the bullied. Physical intimidation is an important part of the game.
Love it.
I would assume your views correlate with the majority.
Hopefully the umpires crack down on it hard and quickly for even the slightest misdemeanor. It seems that we haven't had anyone targetted yet, however, it will happen.
MRP also has to lift its game. We need clean, strong, tough footy, not a whole lot of cheap shots.
I hate it as well. Don't agree with what we did to Ablett at all. To condone it would make me a hypocrite of the highest order because I hated how teams did it to Judd and Diesel. If Ablett got off the hook and won the game for the Suns as he very nearly did then I'd be ok with that - means the team with the better footballer/s would have won. This macho moose butting is just ridiculous - even U12 teams are doing it off the ball now. Just go for the ball FSS.
Best part was Willo knocking him on his arse per team instructions.
Docherty says in the Journey Ep 4 "We wont be letting other clubs walk over us"
We did nothing untowards towards Ablett and stuff 10 times worse happens in Ammo's. Stop finding fault in everything.
Best part was Willo knocking him on his arse per team instructions.
Docherty says in the Journey Ep 4 "We wont be letting other clubs walk over us"
We did nothing untowards towards Ablett and stuff 10 times worse happens in Ammo's. Stop finding fault in everything.
Agree. I've seen a lot worse, and perpetrated on us. The AFL is a shark pool and players know that when they step onto the field. We are at a critical and formative time and we need to show we can handle and dish out the tough stuff when needed. Ablett is a big boy.
I hate it as well. Don't agree with what we did to Ablett at all. To condone it would make me a hypocrite of the highest order because I hated how teams did it to Judd and Diesel. If Ablett got off the hook and won the game for the Suns as he very nearly did then I'd be ok with that - means the team with the better footballer/s would have won. This macho moose butting is just ridiculous - even U12 teams are doing it off the ball now. Just go for the ball FSS.
I would have to agree.
But as I said earlier, Bolton is a niggle fan, so we should expect to see plenty of this in the coming seasons.
They were talking someone on the radio recently, perhaps Luke Hodge. Basically talking about players copping fines from the MRP and who pays them.
Basically if a player does something stupid off his own bat, he has to deal with the fine himself. (Think Waite)
If a player gets fined for sticking up for a teammate, even melee's, then they pass the hat around and people chip in.
It's basically expected that you stand up for your teammates, especially the kids, and clubs ensure that you are not penalised financially for doing so.
If it was indeed Hodge and the hawks, i expect Bolton has brought that rule to us as well. Perhaps thats why players are more willing to stand up for a teammate now more than ever.
Its good to see some controlled aggression.
I loved it when I saw Fox Footy talking about us like this last night. Imagine being known for physically bullying other clubs when half our team are U21!
I do not recall anyone taking up this baton when it was Murphy on the receiving end.
It is a physical game and Bolton is teaching the youngsters if you're not the bully you're probably the bullied. Physical intimidation is an important part of the game.
Love it.
x2.
Big difference between slamming people in the back Bugg style, taking out a kid with a high bump Buddy style, running past the ball to slam a player like Hodge, jumper punching and a bit of relatively harmless grappling and close attention.
I'd rather be known as a side that goes 100% at the ball but there is a line between dirty play and niggle that I don't want to cross. Footy is a gladiatorial sport after all.
If umpires and the MRP did their job in the first place there wouldn't be a problem .... if the AFL was serious about untoward play they'd do something about instead of kowtowing to a tin medal and a heap of corporate gambling agencies. Can't believe how they warp every situation to protect the "integrity of the Brownlow".... what a total crock.
I hate it as well. Don't agree with what we did to Ablett at all. To condone it would make me a hypocrite of the highest order because I hated how teams did it to Judd and Diesel. If Ablett got off the hook and won the game for the Suns as he very nearly did then I'd be ok with that - means the team with the better footballer/s would have won. This macho moose butting is just ridiculous - even U12 teams are doing it off the ball now. Just go for the ball FSS.
Yeah, I can see your point of view.....I don't like the look of it either, and yes I hated the continual scragging of Judd (Which by the way, was usually quite a bit worse than what Ablett got on the weekend) ......but as the Umps or the AFL are doing nothing to prevent the best players in the game being targeted, then unfortunately it's a case of us either joining in, or playing the moral high ground & getting walked over.
That's the decision.
I'd rather the niggle that Ed & the lads indulged in than cheap shots that the likes of Scott Thompson practice every game.
I'd rather be known as a side that goes 100% at the ball but there is a line between dirty play and niggle that I don't want to cross. Footy is a gladiatorial sport after all.
Most of the Ablett niggle, like the Judd and Murphy niggle before it, comes when the ball isn't in play around a stoppage.
If players didn't have to wait for umpires and broadcasters, if they could get on with the game, there would be little opportunity to behave this way! ;)
The aspect thats changed is that it used to be one player doing the niggle ie Ryan Crowley was the high prince of close tagging but we are now seeing half the team trying to bang into players like Ablett.....one on one its ok IMO but on mass its probably not a great look for the game.
Its going to end in a massive brawl one day when the tagged one decides to belt the would be aggressors.....when that happens the AFL might look at it more closely...
It seems to me in some way as though we've gone from one extreme to the other - I never liked it in the past when it seemed as though the local U7's girls team could bully us, and I don't like what's happening now.
My personal preference is that we develop a "don't poke the bear" reputation. That we will never instigate this behavior, but we will give it back tenfold if the opposition tries it on us. Once established, any team with even half a brain will realize it's better not to start anything, because in the finish they will come off second best.
J Brown said the other day he called Adrian Anderson himself and told him if if they didn't crack down on defenders hitting him in the back he would take matters into his own hands.
Apparently they counted 132 times he was hit in the back off the ball in one game and he felt like he had whiplash.
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The aspect thats change is that it used to be one player doing the niggle ie Ryan Crowley was the high prince of close tagging but now are seeing half the team trying to bang into players like Ablett.....one on one its ok IMO but on mass its probably not a great look for the game.
Isn't that partly due to the lack of response by a team-mate?
So far in 2017 we haven't seen a lot of this happening against us, but we now have quite a few blokes who openly fly the flag instead of running away!
I'll never forgive Tuohy and Everitt for just jogging past Murphy the day the was put down in the center of the field, that was as piss-weak as it comes from Carlton players!
Its going to end in a massive brawl one day when the tagged one decides to belt the would be aggressors.....when that happens the AFL might look at it more closely...
No doubt that will be the case, the thing missing now is the spontaneous retaliation and nobody wants to see that.
They say that for all the crap Steve Baker gave out to his targets, we would come off the ground 'blue' after playing some teams because HE got smashed so much!!
They say that for all the crap Steve Baker gave out to his targets, we would come off the ground 'blue' after playing some teams because HE got smashed so much!!
That prick used to sharpen his studs.
That prick used to sharpen his studs.
yes, as far as taggers go, he was the nadir.