Interesting article about Matty Kreuzer in today's Age:
Kreuzer expects his time either at full forward or at centre half-forward will ramp up this season, having spent the summer discussing and working with rucking partner Robbie Warnock on the best way they can take charge at the centre bounce, at stoppages and as marking threats inside attacking 50.
Kreuzer was ranked elite by Champion Data for score assists as a ruckman last season but contributed only eight goals. He had a shot-at-goal accuracy of 31 per cent - below average for an AFL ruckman.
''With the new interchange rule, it's going to mean bigger blokes are out there longer. It's going to be fun running around as a forward,'' he said.
''I played a little bit more there last year. I enjoyed it. (I will) just keep developing and hopefully kick a few more goals. I played there a little bit as a junior … it's fun down there.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-ruckman-matthew-kreuzer-says-the-blues-must-stand-up-20140204-31zhc.html#ixzz2sQ79aje0
Let's hope his positive attitude transforms into a very productive and injury free season.
Interesting article about Matty Kreuzer in today's Age:
Kreuzer expects his time either at full forward or at centre half-forward will ramp up this season, having spent the summer discussing and working with rucking partner Robbie Warnock on the best way they can take charge at the centre bounce, at stoppages and as marking threats inside attacking 50.
Kreuzer was ranked elite by Champion Data for score assists as a ruckman last season but contributed only eight goals. He had a shot-at-goal accuracy of 31 per cent - below average for an AFL ruckman.
''With the new interchange rule, it's going to mean bigger blokes are out there longer. It's going to be fun running around as a forward,'' he said.
''I played a little bit more there last year. I enjoyed it. (I will) just keep developing and hopefully kick a few more goals. I played there a little bit as a junior … it's fun down there.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-ruckman-matthew-kreuzer-says-the-blues-must-stand-up-20140204-31zhc.html#ixzz2sQ79aje0
Let's hope his positive attitude transforms into a very productive and injury free season.
If he is kicking at 31% hen I dont want him spending too much time down forward...
Kreuzer was ranked elite by Champion Data for score assists as a ruckman last season but contributed only eight goals. He had a shot-at-goal accuracy of 31 per cent - below average for an AFL ruckman.
SpecialK doesn't get set shots like a ruckmen, most of them like Cox, Naitanui, McEvoy, Leuenberger are marking well within 15m~20m of goal for the bulk of their shots, usually from dropping back into F50 from a HFF stoppage. SpecialK tends to clunk balls outside 40m.
I don't see this as a major problem with SpecialK because it is caused by our game plan not the players. Give them a chance to clunk it in the goal square and the scoring percentages will rise.
Last year in multiple games we could sit and watch Casboult, Hampson or Rowe lead out and clunk marks on the wing, while the running HFBs bombed the ball long to Bett's in the square!
If the game plan doesn't change resting any ruckmen as a leading forward will be a waste of time.
My faith in MK resets again as it does each year to positive optimism. As another post above rightly pointed out, kicking goals can be fixed almost instantly by being in a different position when having opportunity to shoot for goal (game plan). My optimism is centered on his ability to be out there on the day, rather than in recovery. Looking forward to a big year from K.
My faith in MK resets again as it does each year to positive optimism. As another post above rightly pointed out, kicking goals can be fixed almost instantly by being in a different position when having opportunity to shoot for goal (game plan). My optimism is centered on his ability to be out there on the day, rather than in recovery. Looking forward to a big year from K.
No arguments from me there buddy. Lets keep our fingers crossed. ;)
My faith in MK resets again as it does each year to positive optimism. As another post above rightly pointed out, kicking goals can be fixed almost instantly by being in a different position when having opportunity to shoot for goal (game plan). My optimism is centered on his ability to be out there on the day, rather than in recovery. Looking forward to a big year from K.
He's my man crush as I'm sure he is Micks. I expect great things from MK in 2014.
iF HE FIRES WE ARE TOP 4 MATERIAL.
Reckon MM wants big Knockers as number 1 ruck.
Reckon MM wants big Knockers as number 1 ruck.
Agree. MK as second ruck, tall forward.
Interesting article about Matty Kreuzer in today's Age:
Kreuzer expects his time either at full forward or at centre half-forward will ramp up this season, having spent the summer discussing and working with rucking partner Robbie Warnock on the best way they can take charge at the centre bounce, at stoppages and as marking threats inside attacking 50.
Kreuzer was ranked elite by Champion Data for score assists as a ruckman last season but contributed only eight goals. He had a shot-at-goal accuracy of 31 per cent - below average for an AFL ruckman.
''With the new interchange rule, it's going to mean bigger blokes are out there longer. It's going to be fun running around as a forward,'' he said.
''I played a little bit more there last year. I enjoyed it. (I will) just keep developing and hopefully kick a few more goals. I played there a little bit as a junior … it's fun down there.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-ruckman-matthew-kreuzer-says-the-blues-must-stand-up-20140204-31zhc.html#ixzz2sQ79aje0
Let's hope his positive attitude transforms into a very productive and injury free season.
If he is kicking at 31% hen I dont want him spending too much time down forward...
he was excellent in his accuracy only a couple of years back - he missed only one or 2 shots for the entire season. But over the last couple of seasons he couldn't hit the side of a barn from inside the barn. Matters not where he plays, he needs to work on that kicking!
Interesting article about Matty Kreuzer in today's Age:
Kreuzer expects his time either at full forward or at centre half-forward will ramp up this season, having spent the summer discussing and working with rucking partner Robbie Warnock on the best way they can take charge at the centre bounce, at stoppages and as marking threats inside attacking 50.
Kreuzer was ranked elite by Champion Data for score assists as a ruckman last season but contributed only eight goals. He had a shot-at-goal accuracy of 31 per cent - below average for an AFL ruckman.
''With the new interchange rule, it's going to mean bigger blokes are out there longer. It's going to be fun running around as a forward,'' he said.
''I played a little bit more there last year. I enjoyed it. (I will) just keep developing and hopefully kick a few more goals. I played there a little bit as a junior … it's fun down there.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-ruckman-matthew-kreuzer-says-the-blues-must-stand-up-20140204-31zhc.html#ixzz2sQ79aje0
Let's hope his positive attitude transforms into a very productive and injury free season.
If he is kicking at 31% hen I dont want him spending too much time down forward...
he was excellent in his accuracy only a couple of years back - he missed only one or 2 shots for the entire season. But over the last couple of seasons he couldn't hit the side of a barn from inside the barn. Matters not where he plays, he needs to work on that kicking!
He's not Robinson Crusoe there Crash!
Tired of the pre-season talk.
Last year Hampson said, he is going to have a gun season...and be a tall marking forward..
well he is now at Richmond...
IMO, Kruezer's head is on the block- if he doesn't deliver, move him on to another Club.
Tired of the pre-season talk.
Last year Hampson said, he is going to have a gun season...and be a tall marking forward..
well he is now at Richmond...
IMO, Kruezer's head is on the block- if he doesn't deliver, move him on to another Club.
You better take care what you wish for. It could come back to bite us big time. Hampson and Kreuzer is like a comparison of a bus to a sports car. Both have wheels and can transport, but both have different purposes. Both were rucks, yes. Both had abilities yes. However one could act as an extra mid player blocking, tackling, and assisting other mids, while the other just watched the time go by. One is a work horse and one is a paddock pony ride. Watch the season end and see who has the better player. I do understand your frustrations and can't argue with you on what has been delivered. Unfortunately injuries will plague some players. I hope not Special-K. I still have some small faith he may come good. For the benefit of the club and not just for him. Lets cross those fingers. ;) If we sell he better get a good price in return.
Tired of the pre-season talk.
Last year Hampson said, he is going to have a gun season...and be a tall marking forward..
well he is now at Richmond...
IMO, Kruezer's head is on the block- if he doesn't deliver, move him on to another Club.
K-man is 10 times the player that Hammer was. Can mark for a start. Generally dominates opposition ruckman when fit.
When MK is in the guts we win more centre clearances.
Tired of the pre-season talk.
Last year Hampson said, he is going to have a gun season...and be a tall marking forward..
well he is now at Richmond...
IMO, Kruezer's head is on the block- if he doesn't deliver, move him on to another Club.
K-man is 10 times the player that Hammer was. Can mark for a start. Generally dominates opposition ruckman when fit.
Sorry but that is just wrong. Hammer whilst dropping a few marks at least gets his hands to the ball in EVERY marking contest. Kreuzer struggles to do even that, let alone clunk any.
Tired of the pre-season talk.
Last year Hampson said, he is going to have a gun season...and be a tall marking forward..
well he is now at Richmond...
IMO, Kruezer's head is on the block- if he doesn't deliver, move him on to another Club.
K-man is 10 times the player that Hammer was. Can mark for a start. Generally dominates opposition ruckman when fit.
Sorry but that is just wrong. Hammer whilst dropping a few marks at least gets his hands to the ball in EVERY marking contest. Kreuzer struggles to do even that, let alone clunk any.
K-man has lost his mojo that's for sure - at the start he could kick straight and clunk a mark. Last few years, Hammer was a better option.
Let's hope he can rediscover that early form (and of course injuries have had their part to play - but that's part of the game....).
Sorry but that is just wrong. Hammer whilst dropping a few marks at least gets his hands to the ball in EVERY marking contest. Kreuzer struggles to do even that, let alone clunk any.
Shizen PI2C, you're just fecking with me now!
Sorry but that is just wrong. Hammer whilst dropping a few marks at least gets his hands to the ball in EVERY marking contest. Kreuzer struggles to do even that, let alone clunk any.
Shizen PI2C, you're just fecking with me now!
No Kreuzer pound for pound is one of the worst overhead marks in the comp.*
*pound for pound taking height into consideration
PI2C, even the CFC website is trying to wind me up about trading Hampson.
Take a look at the Judd Video (http://www.afl.com.au/video?guid=613496&t=8-24) in the McKay interview, 19~21 sec in;
Are they fecking with me as well, is that Wood getting touched up by Hammer in a forward ruck contest? ???
Sorry but that is just wrong. Hammer whilst dropping a few marks at least gets his hands to the ball in EVERY marking contest. Kreuzer struggles to do even that, let alone clunk any.
Shizen PI2C, you're just fecking with me now!
No Kreuzer pound for pound is one of the worst overhead marks in the comp.*
*pound for pound taking height into consideration
That's an interesting stat PI2C - marks per pound of body weight indexed to height in cms? ;)
Sorry but that is just wrong. Hammer whilst dropping a few marks at least gets his hands to the ball in EVERY marking contest. Kreuzer struggles to do even that, let alone clunk any.
Shizen PI2C, you're just fecking with me now!
No Kreuzer pound for pound is one of the worst overhead marks in the comp.*
*pound for pound taking height into consideration
Clearly we've been watching different games. A fit Kreuzer (and that's the whole point here) is an exceptional mark and a great ruckman. His follow up work is second to none and his accuracy in front of goal get's a pass mark that's ahead of some of the more noted forwards.
Sorry but that is just wrong. Hammer whilst dropping a few marks at least gets his hands to the ball in EVERY marking contest. Kreuzer struggles to do even that, let alone clunk any.
Shizen PI2C, you're just fecking with me now!
No Kreuzer pound for pound is one of the worst overhead marks in the comp.*
*pound for pound taking height into consideration
Clearly we've been watching different games. A fit Kreuzer (and that's the whole point here) is an exceptional mark and a great ruckman. His follow up work is second to none and his accuracy in front of goal get's a pass mark that's ahead of some of the more noted forwards.
I admire your blind faith JK but ATM that is all it is.
Like Gibbs...Kruezer fails to impact games, I can remember about three games in his career where he actually dominated games took them by the scruff of the neck and imposed himself.
He doesnt take enough marks and his kicking is ordinary even though he got of to a good start in his career and was a straight kick initially.
He is also one of those players when he does get a good run of fitness going and his game starts to improve he gets injured and its back to square one again.
You can forget making a KP player out of him as well....wont happen, his only spot is No 1 ruck IMO, thats where he plays his best footy and where he should play every week...problem is that Warnocks only position is NO 1 ruck so IMO those two will never work as a ruck combo and that the secon ruck spot has to be filled by Casboult who has more variety to his game and can play forward(if he can only learn to kick the ball straight).
Like Gibbs...Kruezer fails to impact games, I can remember about three games in his career where he actually dominated games took them by the scruff of the neck and imposed himself.
He doesnt take enough marks and his kicking is ordinary even though he got of to a good start in his career and was a straight kick initially.
He is also one of those players when he does get a good run of fitness going and his game starts to improve he gets injured and its back to square one again.
You can forget making a KP player out of him as well....wont happen, his only spot is No 1 ruck IMO, thats where he plays his best footy and where he should play every week...problem is that Warnocks only position is NO 1 ruck so IMO those two will never work as a ruck combo and that the secon ruck spot has to be filled by Casboult who has more variety to his game and can play forward(if he can only learn to kick the ball straight).
Unfortunately I agree re Gibbs and Kreuzer. Early on you can forgive young blokes making their way but they are now old enough and experienced enough to make an impact. Hopefully it comes this year but Im not holding my breath.
Agree also elwood re MK and playing as a key forward. His agility and speed (due to injurues Im sure) has diminished quite a bit and he cannot reply on his pack marking (or marking in general) to be a key forward. His leap has dimished a bit also but gee I hope he gets going as love this bloke.
Looking at past replays from games last year just recently and Casboult would be the man to play 3rd forward. I do not think he can hold down a 2nd key forward post himself (say next to Waite) which is a concern also. I think he needs 2 other decent talls around him or other marking type options (eg. Walker, Everitt, White - maybe a combo of them). Those blokes offer a point of difference which we have lacked. Thats partly why Reynolds and Johnson have been drafted also IMO. We need Casboult clunking marks and splitting packs inside the forward 50 more times than not.
Levi is only 23 and as they say, the big blokes take longer to develop.....
If he can improve his kicking no reason he can't hold down a KPP IMO.
Whenever he heads from the indoor fitness centre to the main entrance at Visy Park, Matthew Kreuzer is reminded of Carlton's greats. In their modern training complex, the Blues have done well honouring these champions, with their images splashed on the walls.
Kreuzer has stopped to digest the grand names, a list that takes on greater significance this year when the club that shares the record for most premierships (16) celebrates its 150th anniversary.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/matthew-kreuzer-is-determined-to-honour-carltons-greats-in-the-clubs-150th-year-20140208-328nz.html#ixzz2smPUMZLY
Levi is only 23 and as they say, the big blokes take longer to develop.....
If he can improve his kicking no reason he can't hold down a KPP IMO.
Don't know why everyone thinks Levi can't kick... he can and has. I've seen him kick rippers. His only 'kicking' problem is between the lugholes. When his head is right he is a terrific kick.
Clearly we've been watching different games. A fit Kreuzer (and that's the whole point here) is an exceptional mark and a great ruckman. His follow up work is second to none and his accuracy in front of goal get's a pass mark that's ahead of some of the more noted forwards.
As much as I love to pump up our ruckmen, I have to tag the highlighted comments as pure fantasy.
SpecialK is good in the ruck not great and not exceptional, and he is an ordinary mark because many times like Levi he isn't even making it into the contest. They either read the ball very poorly or are too easily put out of the contest.
Exceptional marks would be Naitanui or Tippett, good marks are Cox, McEvoy or Leuenberger, at the moment SpecialK is clearly well behind those all with question.
The rest of the comments about his 2nd efforts and kicking are reasonably accurate.
Clearly we've been watching different games. A fit Kreuzer (and that's the whole point here) is an exceptional mark and a great ruckman. His follow up work is second to none and his accuracy in front of goal get's a pass mark that's ahead of some of the more noted forwards.
As much as I love to pump up our ruckmen, I have to tag the highlighted comments as pure fantasy.
SpecialK is good in the ruck not great and not exceptional, and he is an ordinary mark because many times like Levi he isn't even making it into the contest. They either read the ball very poorly or are too easily put out of the contest.
Exceptional marks would be Naitanui or Tippett, good marks are Cox, McEvoy or Leuenberger, at the moment SpecialK is clearly well behind those all with question.
The rest of the comments about his 2nd efforts and kicking are reasonably accurate.
Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer :o Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer. If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark. On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett. Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks. That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests ;)
http://youtu.be/6MUc6hXYBSM
@DJC
Could be a case of "familiarity breeds contempt" or "you can't be a prophet in your own land" DJC. When we see NickNats or Cox or Tippets etc. it's often in a highlight segment on TV or in 3 games in a year. With Kreuz we see him week in week out (when fit!) and we are all too painfully aware of the not so good moments as well.
I'm hoping to see him do well this year and I'm confident he can if he's fully over his injury setbacks.
Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer :o Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer. If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark. On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett. Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks. That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests ;)
http://youtu.be/6MUc6hXYBSM
It's easy to look at stats, but SpecialK takes a lot of his marks running through the corridor or off the HBF at kick ins. I am sure most posters in this thread are talking about contested marking inside F50. If you think SpecialK has been competitive in this area I am afraid we will just have to disagree.
We have not had a single tall(~200cm type) who has clunked reliable marks inside F50 since Matthew Allan and Corey McKernan pulled the pin in 2003.
If you looked at previous stats you would think blokes like Levi or Hammer were marking freaks, but on good games they take most of their marks between HBF and HFF which just slows transitions and embellishes their performance. In a handful of games Hendo outperformed them all!
Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer :o Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer. If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark. On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett. Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks. That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests ;)
Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.
@DJC
Could be a case of "familiarity breeds contempt" or "you can't be a prophet in your own land" DJC. When we see NickNats or Cox or Tippets etc. it's often in a highlight segment on TV or in 3 games in a year. With Kreuz we see him week in week out (when fit!) and we are all too painfully aware of the not so good moments as well.
I'm hoping to see him do well this year and I'm confident he can if he's fully over his injury setbacks.
Dear oh dear, I am not claiming SpecialK is no good and I am sure nobody else is either. In certain aspects of his game he is elite, but to extend that positivity to his marking and his tap ruckwork is just foolish.
IMHO, if we had had one coach with some foresight we might today be calling SpecialK one of the games elite mid-fielders!
@LP
I never thought for a second that you thought he was no good LP. I was just trying to say that we can sometimes be more critical of players we are very familiar with than others we may only see occasionally for a limited amount of time - often their best efforts. A normal human tendency.
@DJC
Could be a case of "familiarity breeds contempt" or "you can't be a prophet in your own land" DJC. When we see NickNats or Cox or Tippets etc. it's often in a highlight segment on TV or in 3 games in a year.
That's because they take the big contested marks. When was the last time Kreuzer took a big critical mark where you thought 'Wow that was some mark'? I can think of one back in 2008 in his first year. The above mentioned players IMPACT games and as EB pointed out in an earlier post, Kreuzer doesn't.
And I agree, being Carlton we see the best and the worst compared to the others.
Have you ever had a bet riding on a non-Carlton match for quite a bit of dough? It's amazing how quick you can find faults in players you previously thought were invincible. When there's something riding on it the poor play stands out, as does the great stuff.
@PI2C
Know what you're saying Carrots. It's the same if you are watching a game not involving the Blues and you are barracking for one of the teams - suddenly their players don't look so good. ;D
That's because they take the big contested marks. When was the last time Kreuzer took a big critical mark where you thought 'Wow that was some mark'? I can think of one back in 2008 in his first year. The above mentioned players IMPACT games and as EB pointed out in an earlier post, Kreuzer doesn't.
Here is the point PI2C, SpecialK was never that type of player.
Right through his junior career he was a hard running, heavy tackling inside stoppage ruckmen who linked up through the corridor or wing using his aerobic capacity to burn off opponents. He never really spent a lot of time in defense or up forward, that was a bogus assessment put on him by so called experts saying stuff like "He looks like a ruckmen who can play forward or KPP!"
SpecialK's go is in the ruck at stoppages and in the midfield, he knows where to run, when to run there and how to use his body at ground level. Any other use of SpecialK is a waste, now we are going to go with 206 who is elite at tap work and a spud in every other aspect of the game. Anyway too late now, the club has chosen what is in my opinion "the downhill and safe" option.
I think MM will expect both Warnock and Kreuz to pose a threat and take marks when resting in the forward zone. OK their record to date leaves something to be desired, but if they don't perform this year then the club will be seeking alternatives for the longer term IMO. It'll be interesting to see how they go.
I think MM will expect both Warnock and Kreuz to pose a threat and take marks when resting in the forward zone. OK their record to date leaves something to be desired, but if they don't perform this year then the club will be seeking alternatives for the longer term IMO. It'll be interesting to see how they go.
Expect Wood to be accelerated onto the senior list if there is a LTI!
Levi is only 23 and as they say, the big blokes take longer to develop.....
If he can improve his kicking no reason he can't hold down a KPP IMO.
Don't know why everyone thinks Levi can't kick... he can and has. I've seen him kick rippers. His only 'kicking' problem is between the lugholes. When his head is right he is a terrific kick.
Baggers...He wont be a good kick while he has that awkward action highlighted by a poor ball drop......he can kick some ripper goals but seems to miss the easy ones too often for my liking.
I dont know why the club cannot get a decent coach to change his kicking style and improve his accuracy....the other parts of his game are ok .
I think MM will expect both Warnock and Kreuz to pose a threat and take marks when resting in the forward zone. OK their record to date leaves something to be desired, but if they don't perform this year then the club will be seeking alternatives for the longer term IMO. It'll be interesting to see how they go.
Expect Wood to be accelerated onto the senior list if there is a LTI!
That's certainly the likely reason for his recruitment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pht_GDEZKMM
I think MM will expect both Warnock and Kreuz to pose a threat and take marks when resting in the forward zone. OK their record to date leaves something to be desired, but if they don't perform this year then the club will be seeking alternatives for the longer term IMO. It'll be interesting to see how they go.
Cookie...the only threat those two provide down forward is to our other forwards by getting in the road or dropping vital marks that others might take.......Warnock averages two marks a game, four kicks and has a goal average of 0.19, good thing he gets 22 hitouts a game or someone might start questiong what he actually is getting paid for... :)
Lets say Warnock has an amazing year and doubles his stats.......thats 4 marks a game and a goal average of 0.38....thats about 8 goals for the season........
Kruezer...stats are not too different to Dean Cox....six kicks a game, three marks and a goal average of around 0.5..........plus 17 hitouts........if Kruezer could double his output then we would have a useful contributor both in the ruck and down forward.
Warnock to me is next to useless and his hitouts dont justify his place in the team if your throw in his poor contribution in every other part of the game...the only redeeming feature you might use in his defense is his extra size might reduce the effectiveness of the other teams ruckman and he earns points for that and in terms of clearannces that might be seen as important.
But in terms of forward play he has no input..zilch, nada, zero, nil.......
Casboult stats.....6 kicks a game, 4.65 marks, goal average of 0.82 but only around 7 hitouts a game...though you have to factor in he has less time on the ball......that tells you that Levi needs to mark the footy or he wont get the ball on the ground very often. He also averages 1.12 beinds a game so the odds are against him kicking straight
Rowe stats...similar to Casboults except Rowe averages 0.9 goals a game and only 0.7 behinds.....but Stevie Wonder could tell you he is a better kick its that obvious.....
Wood...similar stats to Casboult and Rowe, average about 0.3 goals per games but only 0.17 behinds...so if by luck he does take a mark near goal he is a good chance to kick it...add 15 hitouts to those stats....
Based on that IMO you wouldnt consider Warnock and would go with Kruezer and either one of Casboult or Rowe....and if you wanted a better kicking forward option its Rowe and easily......problem is with Rowe he usually gets his stats in one half and doesnt have enough gas in the other half to contribute. If Rowe could get fit and play 4 quarters he would be the man to partner Kruezer IMO.....if Buttifant is as a good as they say maybe he can make it happen.
@EB1
Interesting stuff Elwood. Let's hope Rowe can be more effective by playing out full games this year then. I was hoping he would come good to complete the fairy tale ending but I sort of forgot about him last year and probably gave up on him a bit.
I must remember that he was still recovering from a serious medical condition and its debilitating treatment so we may get a pleasant surprise this year.
@EB1
Interesting stuff Elwood. Let's hope Rowe can be more effective by playing out full games this year then. I was hoping he would come good to complete the fairy tale ending but I sort of forgot about him last year and probably gave up on him a bit.
I must remember that he was still recovering from a serious medical condition and its debilitating treatment so we may get a pleasant surprise this year.
I am hoping he is full recovered Cookie and his health problems are over and this preseason has put an edge on him.....I think he is capable of kicking bags of 5-6 goals because he does kick the ball well and doesnt need many shots to be dangerous. NAB cup is bery important for him IMO as i think Mick makes early season calls on players eg Duigan, Laidler and its hard to get back into the good books once Mick has marked your cards...holding his marks and chasing are also important areas for him to improve. He also needs to show some vigour for a bloke his size...Levi wll throw his weight around and I'd like to see Rowe do the same...at 198cm he isnt small and has to be more physical.
Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer :o Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer. If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark. On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett. Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks. That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests ;)
Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.
I know that stats don't tell the whole story but, clearly, the marking prowess of other teams' rucks is exaggerated.
Talking about stats, if Kreuzer averages one more mark per game than Natanui, how does that represent an almost 50% higher number? I don't follow that at all :-\ Perhaps it's because Kreuzer takes more contested marks?
I'd also like to know when Natanui last turned a game? There'd be no argument from me if you'd said Dean Cox but the best NicNat does is look like he could turn a game ::)
Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer :o Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer. If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark. On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett. Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks. That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests ;)
Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.
I know that stats don't tell the whole story but, clearly, the marking prowess of other teams' rucks is exaggerated.
Talking about stats, if Kreuzer averages one more mark per game than Natanui, how does that represent an almost 50% higher number? I don't follow that at all :-\ Perhaps it's because Kreuzer takes more contested marks?
I'd also like to know when Natanui last turned a game? There'd be no argument from me if you'd said Dean Cox but the best NicNat does is look like he could turn a game ::)
Nice post DJC! :)
Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer :o Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer. If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark. On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett. Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks. That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests ;)
Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.
I know that stats don't tell the whole story but, clearly, the marking prowess of other teams' rucks is exaggerated.
Talking about stats, if Kreuzer averages one more mark per game than Natanui, how does that represent an almost 50% higher number? I don't follow that at all :-\ Perhaps it's because Kreuzer takes more contested marks?
I'd also like to know when Natanui last turned a game? There'd be no argument from me if you'd said Dean Cox but the best NicNat does is look like he could turn a game ::)
Nic Nat averages more contested marks than Kreuzer, as does Cox, as does Tippett.
Last time Nic Nat turned a game North Melbourne games last year. Last time Kreuzer turned a game never.
Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer :o Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer. If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark. On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett. Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks. That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests ;)
Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.
I know that stats don't tell the whole story but, clearly, the marking prowess of other teams' rucks is exaggerated.
Talking about stats, if Kreuzer averages one more mark per game than Natanui, how does that represent an almost 50% higher number? I don't follow that at all :-\ Perhaps it's because Kreuzer takes more contested marks?
I'd also like to know when Natanui last turned a game? There'd be no argument from me if you'd said Dean Cox but the best NicNat does is look like he could turn a game ::)
Nic Nat averages more contested marks than Kreuzer, as does Cox, as does Tippett.
Last time Nic Nat turned a game North Melbourne games last year. Last time Kreuzer turned a game never.
PI2C, Kreuzer's Dream Team price is $90K more than Natanui's. I rest my case ;)
Lol you guys all have short memories?
NicNat not turning a game? How about his absolute screamer and goal after the siren last year?
Kreuzer never turned a game either? How about Port Adelaide when he booted three last quarter goals to get us over the line in a come from behind win?
They're both excellent players and both play positions that typically take until your late 20's at the earliest to really dominate. Even Sandilands was rubbish for the first 5-6 years of his career.
I'm happy we have Kreuzer, but I'd take NicNat in a heartbeat.
Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer :o Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer. If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark. On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett. Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks. That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests ;)
Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.
I know that stats don't tell the whole story but, clearly, the marking prowess of other teams' rucks is exaggerated.
Talking about stats, if Kreuzer averages one more mark per game than Natanui, how does that represent an almost 50% higher number? I don't follow that at all :-\ Perhaps it's because Kreuzer takes more contested marks?
I'd also like to know when Natanui last turned a game? There'd be no argument from me if you'd said Dean Cox but the best NicNat does is look like he could turn a game ::)
Nic Nat averages more contested marks than Kreuzer, as does Cox, as does Tippett.
Last time Nic Nat turned a game North Melbourne games last year. Last time Kreuzer turned a game never.
PI2C, Kreuzer's Dream Team price is $90K more than Natanui's. I rest my case ;)
You are missing the point entirely.
@Nathbear
I mentioned that game in an earlier post, he didn't turn the game, he kicked two goals in a comeback win.
Lol you guys all have short memories?
NicNat not turning a game? How about his absolute screamer and goal after the siren last year?
Kreuzer never turned a game either? How about Port Adelaide when he booted three last quarter goals to get us over the line in a come from behind win?
They're both excellent players and both play positions that typically take until your late 20's at the earliest to really dominate. Even Sandilands was rubbish for the first 5-6 years of his career.
I'm happy we have Kreuzer, but I'd take NicNat in a heartbeat.
Great post Nathbear!
@Nathbear
I mentioned that game in an earlier post, he didn't turn the game, he kicked two goals in a comeback win.
Hard to disagree. Kreuzer stood up and kicked 3 goals in that final quarter, but the move that won the ball was Gibbs to Centre. HE was the catalyst in that win.
Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer :o Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer. If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark. On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett. Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks. That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests ;)
Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.
I know that stats don't tell the whole story but, clearly, the marking prowess of other teams' rucks is exaggerated.
Talking about stats, if Kreuzer averages one more mark per game than Natanui, how does that represent an almost 50% higher number? I don't follow that at all :-\ Perhaps it's because Kreuzer takes more contested marks?
I'd also like to know when Natanui last turned a game? There'd be no argument from me if you'd said Dean Cox but the best NicNat does is look like he could turn a game ::)
I should have broken that sentence up. The 50% more is about the other guys mentioned, not NicNat.
What are MK's best 3 - 5 games?
I'd have Sydney in his return game from injury, probably that Port game then probably the Collingwood game which put us as premiership favourite?
Sydney game was good but generally it's been workman like. Which is okay but for a number 1 pick....
@Nathbear
I mentioned that game in an earlier post, he didn't turn the game, he kicked two goals in a comeback win.
Hard to disagree. Kreuzer stood up and kicked 3 goals in that final quarter, but the move that won the ball was Gibbs to Centre. HE was the catalyst in that win.
Gibbs and Rusty Russell to half forward actually!
Lol you guys all have short memories?
NicNat not turning a game? How about his absolute screamer and goal after the siren last year?
Kreuzer never turned a game either? How about Port Adelaide when he booted three last quarter goals to get us over the line in a come from behind win?
They're both excellent players and both play positions that typically take until your late 20's at the earliest to really dominate. Even Sandilands was rubbish for the first 5-6 years of his career.
I'm happy we have Kreuzer, but I'd take NicNat in a heartbeat.
I wait for the day he comes good and many here do a backflip. Not sure it will ever happen but hope it does. He has copped a flogging here for far too long. Its funny. If a player has class and wins games off his own boot, he gets bagged for fading at times and going missing. Not enough work rate, and lazy behind the scenes. If however their work rate is second to none, they are a laughing stock for not being the best footy player in the league. If they are injured and struggle to get on the park fit, it becomes no excuse. Being picked at number one is a curse and especially for us. Our number ones are rubbish comparing to what other sides get from their players. We now have a coach that should know how to develop players, and how to use them properly. Lets see if things change for us for once. I hope it does, and I can't argue with you Nathbear. ;)