Having won on one Friday night, we're certainties to get another Friday night. 19:50 start is a pain in the posterior. But we're there: Sydney are not.
We are a chance don’t worry about that. No Bradshaw and big rumours Gawn has a broken foot.
Either way it’a free hit for us.
There's things we have to tidy up. They got quite a few goal directly from stuff-ups in defence. Allowed the Swans to get closer than they should of Tidy those up and we'll be ok. Not sure Melbourne have been the same dog-hungry side since winning their flag. Showed last night at times.
We are a great chance of a Preliminary Final and a fun trip interstate
Ultra dry track on Friday night. Need for speed. Don't be surprised to see Hollands back in the mix. Motlop will come in and JSOS for McKay. Fogarty could be stiff and Martin could be on holidays.
IMO we play better without Harry the Heartbreaker.
But he would've been handy to separate Lever and May.
JSOS or Kennedy will have to do it now.
Go Blues.
Harry and Martin to miss I suspect. Looks like it will be a dry fast track. Motlop, SOS? Hollands, Boyd, Dow and Kennedy all possible ins. Gov looked proppy at the end wonder if the hammy is nongood again?
Nothing more than a head high free kick.
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Nothing more than a head high free kick.
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That’s how I saw it.
Blakey was troubled by a hit to the ribs. The concussion protocol was applied unnecessarily.
HS already got Martin locked up.....
I suspect because of the cosequences (Final) he will get a fine. If it was a normal Home and Away game probably a week.
Reckon our legal team will be already pteparing a defence...
I’ve only seen it briefly but looked just head high free kick to me.
He attempts to tackle so it will be enough for them to say that its not a strike.
The fact that Blakey played on, and was integral to them coming back later will see him ok.
He attempts to tackle so it will be enough for them to say that its not a strike.
The fact that Blakey played on, and was integral to them coming back later will see him ok.
I will be staggered and perplexed if Jack is not charged and/or gets off.
A fine, that's all.
Move on.
I wish we would stop this blind kicking. More often than not it ends up in the oppo's hands.
Almost cost us against the Demons and almost cost us last night.
That’s how I saw it.
Blakey was troubled by a hit to the ribs. The concussion protocol was applied unnecessarily.
Swinging arm with fist to jaw...Luke Hodge saw same, careless but I can't see him evading a suspension. Looked really bad on one angle...Blakey was holding his jaw too...
Blakely gets involved in these incidents a bit, must be a bit lippy or something. Martin isn't a puncher so is there more to this than meets the eye?
Swinging arm with fist to jaw...Luke Hodge saw same, careless but I can't see him evading a suspension. Looked really bad on one angle...Blakey was holding his jaw too...
Was it as bad as Parkers elbow to Newman's jaw in the 3rd? He came off holding his jaw as well, but I've heard nothing about it.
Swinging arm with fist to jaw...Luke Hodge saw same, careless but I can't see him evading a suspension. Looked really bad on one angle...Blakey was holding his jaw too...
He needs to argue it as a tackle that went wrong given first point of contact was just on the point or just below the shoulder. During finals you're always a chance if there is doubt whereas it would be a week in the regular season. Worse has been let off in finals. Let's hope!
Both sides have things to work on. Melbourne was plain wretched at times while we just played the one good qtr, the 2nd, even if we did lead at qtr time.
He needs to argue it as a tackle that went wrong given first point of contact was just on the point or just below the shoulder. During finals you're always a chance if there is doubt whereas it would be a week in the regular season. Worse has been let off in finals. Let's hope!
He could argue it was a careless spoiling attempt that went wrong, Blakey did continue on the ground which is another positive however I can still see a weeks holiday given the look of the incident. Luke Hodge who didnt mind a bit of that stuff himself at times said Martin will have a case to answer and Hodge usually tends to side with the players in trouble.
Was it as bad as Parkers elbow to Newman's jaw in the 3rd? He came off holding his jaw as well, but I've heard nothing about it.
His elbow was in when Newmans head hit it. It raised after the contact in an instinctual fashion when you bump.
Was unlucky, but not reportable Newman initiated contact.
Martin had a swinging arm, with a clenched fist that connected with his jaw. He went off the ground, holding his jaw, and was off for 10 minutes.
The optics of that means a week at best.
Melbourne are tough, big bodied and battle hardened. If possible, I'd avoid skinny types against them in a final, like Hollands. And I'm a big Hollands fan.
Martin out 2 weeks.
Martin out 2 weeks.
Do people still think Maynard should get off?
Martin out 2 weeks.
2 weeks???????
Blakey kept playing and was one of their best.
Is this Netball or AFL
What about Parkers elbow to Newman's jaw???
It should just be a fine!!!!!!!!!!
It is a contact sport after all.
Hodge use to get off for heaps worse, but that was because he's a nice guy.
Tunnelling should be an instant suspension based on this.
If Martin was struck in the jaw by Blakeys swinging fist off the ball I would want him suspended, Martin isnt a dirty player but he made a careless move striking Blakey and you have to expect to do time for that type of strike.
If Martin was struck in the jaw by Blakeys swinging fist off the ball I would want him suspended, Martin isnt a dirty player but he made a careless move striking Blakey and you have to expect to do time for that type of strike.
Yep. Hate to say it but Jack was not exactly subtle. Far too obvious and had to go. Maybe he'll get it down to 1 week?
Martin out 2 weeks.
Ha, ha, ha. If this MRP isn't corrupt I'll go he. Forking joke
2?...and Van Rooyen gets a week....sorry I'm confused.
Van Rooyen got one week. Martin's wasn't worse.
We should appeal. Worst result should be down graded to one week.
Do people still think Maynard should get off?
Yes.
Christian does stuff like this to distract the footy fans from him giving Maynard a clean sheet and the embarrassment of having the new CEO kybosh his ruling.
His elbow was in when Newmans head hit it. It raised after the contact in an instinctual fashion when you bump.
Was unlucky, but not reportable Newman initiated contact.
Martin had a swinging arm, with a clenched fist that connected with his jaw. He went off the ground, holding his jaw, and was off for 10 minutes.
The optics of that means a week at best.
Complete BS. Parker was off the ground and used his elbow to fend off Newman who applied a tackle.
Geezus I wish you were my advocate at tribunal when all those blokes kept headbutting my fist
Remember when zach Merrett punched jsos late and he ended up with fractured ribs and was given one week for a love tap?
Complete BS. Parker was off the ground and used his elbow to fend off Newman who applied a tackle.
Geezus I wish you were my advocate at tribunal when all those blokes kept headbutting my fist
I suggest you watch a replay again. When the head and elbow make contact, the elbow is hard against the body. Immediately afterwards is when it starts to raise. I watched it again this morning.
Parker was off the ground? He had the ball, he's allowed to be.
....unless you are talking about a completely different incident to what i'm thinking of.
Van Rooyen got one week. Martin's wasn't worse.
We should appeal. Worst result should be down graded to one week.
I wonder if it is worth it. Even a result of a week still leaves us a little vulnerable against the Demons. Maybe we bite the bullet and learn to survive without him. Bring Jack in for Harry and consider Kennedy or Hollands for Martin. I am wondering if Jack could take the place of Marchbank. I think under pressure Marchy is a slow thinker. I also wonder if Motlop should get a start up forward and consider Dow as a sub. Just some thoughts I guess the coach needs to consider with selections.
I wonder if it is worth it. Even a result of a week still leaves us a little vulnerable against the Demons. Maybe we bite the bullet and learn to survive without him. Bring Jack in for Harry and consider Kennedy or Hollands for Martin. I am wondering if Jack could take the place of Marchbank. I think under pressure Marchy is a slow thinker. I also wonder if Motlop should get a start up forward and consider Dow as a sub. Just some thoughts I guess the coach needs to consider with selections.
Motlop in for Martin and Dow as sub seems reasonable...presume Jack will come in for Harry if fit.
I suggest you watch a replay again. When the head and elbow make contact, the elbow is hard against the body. Immediately afterwards is when it starts to raise. I watched it again this morning.
Parker was off the ground? He had the ball, he's allowed to be.
....unless you are talking about a completely different incident to what i'm thinking of.
Garbage. I've watched it plenty. Regardless of what you think, he hits him in the head. Plain and simple. It should have been a free kick against Parker at the very least for the high hit. Then at least it MAY have been looked at by our illustrious MRO
Garbage. I've watched it plenty. Regardless of what you think, he hits him in the head. Plain and simple. It should have been a free kick against Parker at the very least for the high hit. Then at least it MAY have been looked at by our illustrious MRO
There is a difference between getting hit in the head.
....and hitting your head.
Decades ago i think it was Scott Lucas who literally walked up to our defender (Bret Thornton?) and were face to face talking then lucas lowered his head and headbutted his chest. He was awarded a free kick for high contact. Thornton literally stood there while the guy walked over and headbutted him....and got penalised for it.
That is the same as what you are saying.
Head high contact was made in both instances.
Head high contact was due to the 'aggressor/tackler' in both instances.
Nobody is doubting Newmans head was hit.
But if you run into a brick wall.....you can't blame the brick wall if you hit your head in the process.
Same bat time
Same bat channel
7:50pm Friday at the MCG.
Really don't like this time slot.
Poor kid was so tired last week, and he's gotta go through it all again so soon.
2?...and Van Rooyen gets a week....sorry I'm confused.
Indeed. Something not quite right here.
Indeed. Something not quite right here.
Highlighted by Barettt and Cornes on the footy show. They couldn't believe it. Cornes said it was a waste of time because the club would appeal to get it down to one.
I swear they do it to get AFL on the news.
Garbage. I've watched it plenty. Regardless of what you think, he hits him in the head. Plain and simple. It should have been a free kick against Parker at the very least for the high hit. Then at least it MAY have been looked at by our illustrious MRO
Just another one on this.
Should Pittonet go for his 'high hit' on Heeney? Heeney went to tackle him and copped his shoulder straight into his head and went down holding it. FYI, 17minutes to go in the 3rd.
There is a difference between getting hit in the head.
....and hitting your head.
Decades ago i think it was Scott Lucas who literally walked up to our defender (Bret Thornton?) and were face to face talking then lucas lowered his head and headbutted his chest. He was awarded a free kick for high contact. Thornton literally stood there while the guy walked over and headbutted him....and got penalised for it.
That is the same as what you are saying.
Head high contact was made in both instances.
Head high contact was due to the 'aggressor/tackler' in both instances.
Nobody is doubting Newmans head was hit.
But if you run into a brick wall.....you can't blame the brick wall if you hit your head in the process.
Pffft, don't try and tell me I'm saying something I'm not. Aggressive tackler, please.
You seem to be are laying blame on Newman for trying to apply a legitimate tackle and in the process getting a high hit. (and more specifically his jaw). He should not try and tackle because the "brick wall" has a right to clean you up for doing so. No duty of care? I get the feeling you are trying to suggest Newman was leading with his head? If that's the case then you and I see things far differently than I first thought
Dusty was using high fend offs for years before the AFL started to penalise him for it. At least he wasn't causing any serious damage.
Just another one on this.
Should Pittonet go for his 'high hit' on Heeney? Heeney went to tackle him and copped his shoulder straight into his head and went down holding it. FYI, 17minutes to go in the 3rd.
Yes, Laura Kane should step in and refer Pitto to the tribunal. You can't have footy actions that re-arrange a player's nose ::)
Motlop in for Martin and Dow as sub seems reasonable...presume Jack will come in for Harry if fit.
Martin's hard to replace as he plays tall and small.
Pffft, don't try and tell me I'm saying something I'm not. Aggressive tackler, please.
You seem to be are laying blame on Newman for trying to apply a legitimate tackle and in the process getting a high hit. (and more specifically his jaw). He should not try and tackle because the "brick wall" has a right to clean you up for doing so. No duty of care? I get the feeling you are trying to suggest Newman was leading with his head? If that's the case then you and I see things far differently than I first thought
Dusty was using high fend offs for years before the AFL started to penalise him for it. At least he wasn't causing any serious damage.
Only one of us is laying blame on someone and its not me.
All i'm saying is footy is a contact sport and in contact sports there is.....wait for it....contact. Some of which is incidental/accidental. Nobody is to blame. Its just footy.
I've tipped us this week. Feel if Melbourne turn up and play the garbage they produced last Friday, irrespective of the 7pt margin, we'll have a decent enough win.
Van Rooyen got one week. Martin's wasn't worse.
We should appeal. Worst result should be downgraded to one week.
Yes, if we get over this week, and I reckon we can, we'd need him badly the next week.
2 weeks, Christian could not be serious. Medium impact at worst, which is a week. Could live with that.
Yes, if we get over this week, and I reckon we can, we'd need him badly the next week.
2 weeks, Christian could not be serious. Medium impact at worst, which is a week. Could live with that.
Yep, should aim for medium impact. I can't see anything else being downgraded.
Only one of us is laying blame on someone and its not me.
All i'm saying is footy is a contact sport and in contact sports there is.....wait for it....contact. Some of which is incidental/accidental. Nobody is to blame. Its just footy.
Seriously? Thanks for that insight. The contact in our contact sport has been systematically removed by the AFL over a number of years. They've got some serious compensation pay-outs coming their way and they're trying to minimize the damage. Don't blame them really.
If Maynard goes there's one more "accident" that will get potentially eradicated from the game. How funny will it be when he gets off and our bloke misses 2 weeks for what he did. Hilarious.
Anyway, this feels like one of your endless ruck debates, so I'll sign of with this.
Seriously? Thanks for that insight. The contact in our contact sport has been systematically removed by the AFL over a number of years. They've got some serious compensation pay-outs coming their way and they're trying to minimize the damage. Don't blame them really.
If Maynard goes there's one more "accident" that will get potentially eradicated from the game. How funny will it be when he gets off and our bloke misses 2 weeks for what he did. Hilarious.
Anyway, this feels like one of your endless ruck debates, so I'll sign of with this.
Take off the navy glasses mate. It will solve this 'debate problem' instantly.
Martin's hard to replace as he plays tall and small.
Honey is more of a direct swap in that size regard but ability wise I prefer Motlop especially in an evening game where the ball may be on the deck more.
I thought Martin punched Blakey straight in the jaw..it's not a case of innocent or guilty it's more about how many weeks.
Maynards antics are not so cut and dry and it's intent vs a football act where accidents can happen.
Because Maynard has a tough guy reputation it has some more spice to it.
Melbourne especially their coach are not happy losing Brayshaw and want a suspension and Blakey wasn't happy either after having to come off.
My tip..Martin a week, with a carry over suspended week after appeal and Maynard will get off...
I thought Martin punched Blakey straight in the jaw..it's not a case of innocent or guilty it's more about how many weeks.
Maynards antics are not so cut and dry and it's intent vs a football act where accidents can happen.
Because Maynard has a tough guy reputation it has some more spice to it.
Melbourne especially their coach are not happy losing Brayshaw and want a suspension and Blakey wasn't happy either after having to come off.
My tip..Martin a week, with a carry over suspended week after appeal and Maynard will get off...
Yes, I think Martin will just have a week at the end of it, and Maynard may well get off but will go all the way to the Appeal Board. Loser will appeal. In fast motion it certainly does look a footy act but depends how technical the actual rules are these days, especially with Maynard airborne and the shoulder collecting him. AFL really tightened their rules to protect the head, hence it is 50/50 IMO. If Maynard gets off, you can bet the rules will be tightened further.
I thought Martin punched Blakey straight in the jaw..it's not a case of innocent or guilty it's more about how many weeks.
Maynards antics are not so cut and dry and it's intent vs a football act where accidents can happen.
Because Maynard has a tough guy reputation it has some more spice to it.
Melbourne especially their coach are not happy losing Brayshaw and want a suspension and Blakey wasn't happy either after having to come off.
My tip..Martin a week, with a carry over suspended week after appeal and Maynard will get off...
I tend to see most of it the same.
Re Maynard, he seemed to jump longer rather than higher… like he really wanted to lay a hard “softening up” bump disguised as a tackle.
Honey is more of a direct swap in that size regard but ability wise I prefer Motlop especially in an evening game where the ball may be on the deck more.
We have used Matt Kennedy in the past as a marking forward - I would bring him in ahead of Honey. And obviously he can swing through the middle if needed.
We have used Matt Kennedy in the past as a marking forward - I would bring him in ahead of Honey. And obviously if can swing through the middle if needed.
Tonyo, Wasnt sure if he is fully fit but agree he is better than Honey and is a good choice vs the Dee's.
Just secured my tickets, will be on level 1 on Friday night.
Just secured my tickets, will be on level 1 on Friday night.
Wow, well done. I'm still in the queue at 10:32
Level 1 - CARNA BLUE BAGGERS!!
Up top again 🙄 it must have something to do with the family pass. I got through by 10.08 and cancelled two lots of tickets and finally took the third - up on Q32 row c. It’s okay but I tried with just my partners barcode later (as he can’t come) and it gave me level 1 too. Friday night we were up top too and I did feel there was many many kids and families so maybe it’s intentional to put kids up there? Who knows. Doesn’t matter, we’re going 💪🏼
Martin is a big loss for us. His form since coming back into the team has been excellent and pretty sure he's hit the scoreboard nearly every week in that run. Was at the game on Friday night, and seeing it live you get to see the work he does off the ball....he's very tough and hard at it. Hopefully we can get up this week, and get his suspension down to one week so both him and Harry would be available the week after.
If JSOS is fit, straight in this week, and still play both ruckmen.
I'd like to see Motlop into the 22 and maybe Dow as the sub.
Marchbank was pretty shaky early on Friday night but steadied and I thought he was okay. Playing him would also give us the option of swinging McGovern forward at stages if needed.
Charlie, Doc and Cripps were all a bit below their best for big parts of the game last week, so plenty of upside there too.
To my eyes and ears, Jack Martin is clearly a Voss favourite, and rightly so. All coaches try not to focus on individuals, but his demeanour and words change when Martin's name is mentioned.
I am up in the nosebleeds - row X.
Was waiting on 3 devices to get through. Took 30 minutes and the last device i used to try and get tickets was the first one to get through. ::)
Ah well....at least i'll be there.
Martin is a big loss for us. His form since coming back into the team has been excellent and pretty sure he's hit the scoreboard nearly every week in that run. Was at the game on Friday night, and seeing it live you get to see the work he does off the ball....he's very tough and hard at it. Hopefully we can get up this week, and get his suspension down to one week so both him and Harry would be available the week after.
If JSOS is fit, straight in this week, and still play both ruckmen.
I'd like to see Motlop into the 22 and maybe Dow as the sub.
Marchbank was pretty shaky early on Friday night but steadied and I thought he was okay. Playing him would also give us the option of swinging McGovern forward at stages if needed.
Charlie, Doc and Cripps were all a bit below their best for big parts of the game last week, so plenty of upside there too.
Surfie, Haven't known what to make of Marchbank after seeing him struggling in the twos but he has been reasonable in the seniors since returning and while I see him as the weakest link down back I dont see him as shaky as Plowman was and as long as his opponents are picked to suit his attributes he can be handy in defense as that third or 4th taller defender.
Melbourne might go for broke this game and play a couple of extra talls(weather permitting) in Brown and Grundy along with McDonald to cover the loss of Van Rooyen so Marchbank might get a job on one of them. Im presuming McGovern or Newman would have to take the more mobile and dangerous Fritsch.
Just on Marchbank, Weiters said he has one of the highest footy IQs around and he loves playing with him.
Definitely seems to have a lot of love around the club.
Got a ticket after some very nervous minutes getting knock-back after knock-back from ticketek. Ended up getting a standing room ticket which is fine because, well, I like to stand. There was a bloke on SEN just a few minutes ago who is a GOLD club support Carlton member and he couldn't get a ticket either this week or last week! This will be my last year as an AFL member. Sick of their crape treatment. My son has a provisional MCC so I plan to piggy-back off that from next year on.
Anyway, weather is looking great for Friday night so bring it on.
Go baggers!
Just on Marchbank, Weiters said he has one of the highest footy IQs around and he loves playing with him.
Definitely seems to have a lot of love around the club.
Seen him talk to the fans and give them his time and he seems a likable bloke but havent had much faith in him playing wise
after seeing him plod around in a few twos games but he hasnt looked too bad in the seniors so credit where its due and he should hold his spot this week. Having a settled backline has probably helped him with players like Kemp and McGovern taking some of the more difficult matchups and its all seems to be working so I wouldnt be messing with the setup too much.
Got a ticket after some very nervous minutes getting knock-back after knock-back from ticketek. Ended up getting a standing room ticket which is fine because, well, I like to stand. There was a bloke on SEN just a few minutes ago who is a GOLD club support Carlton member and he couldn't get a ticket either this week or last week! This will be my last year as an AFL member. Sick of their crape treatment. My son has a provisional MCC so I plan to piggy-back off that from next year on.
Anyway, weather is looking great for Friday night so bring it on.
Go baggers!
Yeah I got standing in the AFL members. I like the membership but surely club support of competing teams get priority?
Junior GTCs going, bottom of level 4, they are happy. Ill be watching from the Airport lounge.
Really hope we take the game on this week - we got stage-fright last week and it almost cost us.
The way I see it, this week is a bit of a free hit - Melbourne has a lot more to lose than us, their list is headed south rather than north, and if they get knocked out in straight sets for a second year, the party may be over for a while. We should go out and have a real crack without the fear of what happens next.
We have to get the ball in extra fast this week to overcome the May-Lever stonewall and create some ground-level chaos.
Out : McKay, Martin
In : Motlop, Silvagni (Kennedy as a swing if JSOS is not right), Fisher Sub.
It's not certain at all that Martin will be an out yet, the Tribunal have a history of completely overturning ridiculous penalties.
I think Christian gave him two weeks expecting him to appeal and still get a week, it was amateur hour and just further evidence Christian needs to get the bullet. If the first thing he did was to ban himself that would have been the the right penalty from the start.
But two weeks can be viewed by the tribunal as excessive, and that then calls the whole MRO judgement into question, historically the tribunal hates it's time being wasted from either side of the debate.
Do not be surprised Martin walks away with a fine and Christian ends up on shaky ground, I think the writing is on the wall after the new CEO stepped in!
Love the confidence LP but not sure Martin could get off that one.....it looked pretty ordinary and while Blakey returned to the field, it's gotta be one week IMO. It was pretty clumsy.
Love the confidence LP but not sure Martin could get off that one.....
Wouldn't call myself confident, but it won't be a surprise if it happens. It's not like it hasn't happened before.
It's not certain at all that Martin will be an out yet, the Tribunal have a history of completely overturning ridiculous penalties.
I think Christian gave him two weeks expecting him to appeal and still get a week, it was amateur hour and just further evidence Christian needs to get the bullet. If the first thing he did was to ban himself that would have been the the right penalty from the start.
But two weeks can be viewed by the tribunal as excessive, and that then calls the whole MRO judgement into question, historically the tribunal hates it's time being wasted from either side of the debate.
Do not be surprised Martin walks away with a fine and Christian ends up on shaky ground, I think the writing is on the wall after the new CEO stepped in!
He struck Blakey with a full on fist in the jaw, one week is lenient imo, not sure what got into Martin as that type of act isnt part of his game. Maybe Blakey said or did something to him prior that got him incensed enough to go the cheap shot but it was a bad look and very undisciplined which is a shame given he is playing the best football of his career with the club.
Wouldn't call myself confident, but it won't be a surprise if it happens. It's not like it hasn't happened before.
In order to get off, you need a legitimate reason.
In the past there has been one.
For this hit? Can't see one.
Whats his defence? His head looked like a football and he tried to knock it forward??
Put up a side by side of his head next to a football??
I reckon he could argue he was trying to put a fist in to punch the football.
Whether or not that is successful is a different story. It didnt get a free kick on the night, which is usually trouble for the person appealing. For some strange reason, if you hit a bloke high, the umpire sites it on the day and you get a free kick against, it usually draws a discount at the MRO and this is the opposite where play continued.
Pretty weird that they take into account the on field happenings.
In order to get off, you need a legitimate reason.
In the past there has been one.
For this hit? Can't see one.
Whats his defence? His head looked like a football and he tried to knock it forward??
Put up a side by side of his head next to a football??
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Has he got a "Sherrin' tat on his face? That is priceless.
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Has he got a "Sherrin' tat on his face? That is priceless.
He does have a head you'd like to kick.
Or looks like its been kicked a few times.
Didn't Hodge give Martin the best argument, something about Blakey not owning a coat hanger?
Got a ticket after some very nervous minutes getting knock-back after knock-back from ticketek. Ended up getting a standing room ticket which is fine because, well, I like to stand. There was a bloke on SEN just a few minutes ago who is a GOLD club support Carlton member and he couldn't get a ticket either this week or last week! This will be my last year as an AFL member. Sick of their crape treatment. My son has a provisional MCC so I plan to piggy-back off that from next year on.
Anyway, weather is looking great for Friday night so bring it on.
Go baggers!
MCC was gone in a heartbeat and only one visitor pass per ticket in finals.
MCC was gone in a heartbeat and only one visitor pass per ticket in finals.
They days of visitor passes are surely over for finals. We have to stand, your mate didn't get a ticket while non AFL members are sitting in our seats.
Didn't Hodge give Martin the best argument, something about Blakey not owning a coat hanger?
Blakey is near shoulderless....lol.
In order to get off, you need a legitimate reason.
In the past there has been one.
For this hit? Can't see one.
Whats his defence? His head looked like a football and he tried to knock it forward??
Put up a side by side of his head next to a football??
Yes, this is a get it down to 1 week job and hope we win.
Do not be surprised Martin walks away with a fine
Not a snowballs chance in hell.
He struck Blakey with a full on fist in the jaw, one week is lenient imo, not sure what got into Martin as that type of act isnt part of his game. Maybe Blakey said or did something to him prior that got him incensed enough to go the cheap shop but it was a bad look and very undisciplined which is a shame given he is playing the best football of his career with the club.
The only hope they have is to argue the impact down from high to medium and he gets a week instead of 2. If it were me, I would grade impact as follows with respect to the player that gets "hit":
- Player continues playing or receives minimal on field treatment/attention - Low
- Player goes off, receives treatment and needs to spend the mandatory 20 mins off then comes back on - Medium
- Player concussed, goes off and misses next week - High
The only hope they have is to argue the impact down from high to medium and he gets a week instead of 2. If it were me, I would grade impact as follows with respect to the player that gets "hit":
- Player continues playing or receives minimal on field treatment/attention - Low
- Player goes off, receives treatment and needs to spend the mandatory 20 mins off then comes back on - Medium
- Player concussed, goes off and misses next week - High
Yep Agree with all that...I would suspend one week of Martin's penalty and would have given Van Rooyen 2 weeks as well with one week suspended as a deterrent to both. I know Brayshaw was knocked out/concussed etc and had to leave the ground but what Martin and Van Rooyen did in striking players was worse behaviour than what Maynard did imho even though the result of the collision with Brayshaw was more damaging to the injured player. ..I must be old school in how I view the game.
In order to get off, you need a legitimate reason.
In the past there has been one.
For this hit? Can't see one.
Whats his defence? His head looked like a football and he tried to knock it forward??
Put up a side by side of his head next to a football??
Hmm to me i don't think there is much difference. Would not win a beauty contest.
I got my ticket today as a guest pass and I'm a full AFL Gold member for the last 28 years.
I got on at 12:20 and no seats in the AFL members stand. i was lucky to get that seat as it was.
tried every level and none found. I was livid cost me $83 instead of $22.
I shudder to think what might happen if we make the GF. O:-) O:-) O:-)
I got my ticket today as a guest pass and I'm a full AFL Gold member for the last 28 years.
I got on at 12:20 and no seats in the AFL members stand. i was lucky to get that seat as it was.
tried every level and none found. I was livid cost me $83 instead of $22.
I shudder to think what might happen if we make the GF. O:-) O:-) O:-)
Wow okay, so my tickets and getting through 8 minutes after it opened to members, are quite good.
Melb member got tickets up further than us, also family pass. Would love to know how the areas are sold and what is open to who according to membership as surely long standing AFL member is more than Carltonian member home games only 🤷🏻♀️
I went old school and did what my daughter did to get Taylor Swift tickets - drove the 45 minutes to a ticketek outlet and queued up rather than going on line. Was thinking of going fully old school and sleeping outside the outlet but only a few people doing that last night so I opted for my own bed and a 4am alarm clock. Outlet opened at 7, by 7.30 had my number in the queue and came back at 10 for the sales to start. Couldn't get anything in the Ponsford Stand (daughter wanted to be near the Cheer Squad), but got ground level in the pocket other end. Tickets is tickets! Happy just to be there.
So where does the improvement come from to defeat the Go Dees? Because we will need to improve and find our best for four quarters to beat this mob.
Improvement needed from:
Gov - form has just been okay, but he needs to recapture the dare and run.
Pitto - getting better but will need to be at his strong and ruthless best against Gawn.
Cunners - deft passes to team mates is a real strength, but needs to play more to his creative run and smarts. Assert more influence.
Forward line delivery. More lowering of eyes. No panic bombs into the forward line, Go Dees defense will pick these off, easily.
Hunting. This has not been as persistent for four quarters of late. Fire up and adopt a ruthless intensity at the aggot and man mental attitude for 120 minutes.
Authority and confidence. Step it up.
Thoughts from others?
There's talk around that Jack Silvagni is a real chance for this game. I'm happy if it does eventuate. It'd be great to see Jack play in a final.
There's talk around that Jack Silvagni is a real chance for this game. I'm happy if it does eventuate. It'd be great to see Jack play in a final.
Agreed, if we lose McKay and Martin we must have a marking tall come in so that Charlie isn't the soul focus.
I hope SoJ is fit and ready to go, and I hope we don't fall into the trap of thinking we can ruck him versus Gawn.
Left field, Young in and a rotation of McGovern, Kemp and Marchbank forward?
It seems that Gawn has a broken toe. It won't stop him playing but it may affect his mobility/kicking.
It seems that Gawn has a broken toe. It won't stop him playing but it may affect his mobility/kicking.
Gawn is a champion but I don't think they will play him solo against TDK/Pitt if this is the case. Grundy coming back in is very likely.
Broken bone in his toe to be precise. He'll still play no problems, would need to lose a whole
foot before he didn't play!
Gawn is a champion but I don't think they will play him solo against TDK/Pitt if this is the case. Grundy coming back in is very likely.
If so, that could be to our advantage. Grundy's ruck form is poor and he would struggle against the diversity of Pitto and the King. Gawn, as a forward, is ineffective, as is Grundy.
I think that Gawn will ruck, with a jab, and Ben Brown will come in for McDonald, who seems to have become an average VFL player.
I think that Gawn will ruck, with a jab, and Ben Brown will come in for McDonald, who seems to have become an average VFL player.
I agree about Brown.
I think McDonald is OK but his early return shows the folly of bringing blokes into AFL finals from the long term injury cold free of AFL games?
Tossing the names about on the magnetic board I mentioned Young earlier as part of a reshuffle in Harry's absence, but is Sam Durdin completely out of considerations?
Maybe if he's fit Kennedy is the natural, an extra mid who is more than a useful marking forward, if he is fit and ready to go.
So Kennedy and SoJ?
Bizarre Dow isn't in despatches, almost a bit sad, he only becomes a consideration in my book if we are prepared to shuffle Cerra and Hewett!
Mild and dry Friday night, perfect football conditions.
To me Melbourne looked sore and slow at the end of last Thursday's game, which is perhaps even more of an argument for Kennedy and Dow to take a full toll!
get ready for a massive response from melb in first Q ,we need to answer all challenges in first Q
Silvagni/Motlop in for Martin/Harry.......Dow or Kennedy as the sub. Personally, I'd opt for Dow just because of a bit of extra leg speed later in the game. Only other possibility might be an extra smaller defender given Melbourne won't be playing too tall unless they bring Brown or Schache in.....likely it'll be McDonald and Joel Smith up forward.
Glad to see some of us tickets. I got in a10:15 not bad i thought, yeah right. No cat 1,2,3, tickets available and i was only after two. Tried best available Q14 row z. Ouch but i am going.
Go Blue Baggers.
Agreed, if we lose McKay and Martin we must have a marking tall come in so that Charlie isn't the soul focus.
I hope SoJ is fit and ready to go, and I hope we don't fall into the trap of thinking we can ruck him versus Gawn.
Left field, Young in and a rotation of McGovern, Kemp and Marchbank forward?
Young No.
Soj Yes.
I'd go Kennedy before Young.
If JSOS is fit enough I'd definitely go for him as a replacement for Harry. Don't think Martin will get off so who to come in. I would've said Motlop but he was just so terrible last week and I fear he's lost the confidence he had prior to injury. If there was an injury.
I'm leaning to Kennedy, but he's been out for so long I feel it may be a risk if both he and JSOS play. Maybe we throw Hollands in at the deep end and see what happens. To tell you the truth I'd have Hollands ahead of Owies, but that's not happening. I've also got a thing about Pittonet but can't see him getting cut. What the hell.
JSOS for H
Hollands for Martin
Pitt out Kennedy in
Owies out Fisher in
Motlop out Dow the sub
I'll be asleep - 3am in LA when the game starts.
I look forward to reading about our victory on the site.
I would be playing both ruckmen, whether Gawn is 100% or not. They offer different things and Tom, especially, cannot ruck the entire game on his own. Having a fresh ruckman to take the duty on regularly is the best way of wearing Gawn down and reducing his effectiveness.
H and Martin out
SOS and Kennedy in
Whilst reasonable like for like. Both lack match fitness and may take a bit to adjust.
H and Martin out
SOS and Kennedy in
Whilst reasonable like for like. Both lack match fitness and may take a bit to adjust.
2 blokes in a final lacking match fitness would worry me.
2 blokes in a final lacking match fitness would worry me.
Me too 😬
Interesting time for MC
2 blokes in a final lacking match fitness would worry me.
VFL not making finals by couple of percentage points could be our undoing.
Luckily these are two players that will just roll their sleeves up and get on with it.
I'll be asleep - 3am in LA when the game starts.
I look forward to reading about our victory on the site.
Happy travels, and I hope you wake to good news.
I would be playing both ruckmen, whether Gawn is 100% or not. They offer different things and Tom, especially, cannot ruck the entire game on his own. Having a fresh ruckman to take the duty on regularly is the best way of wearing Gawn down and reducing his effectiveness.
Both woild have been playing even if McKay was in. Hopefully Pittonet can spend more time forward when he's not rucking.
The Go Dees will be desperate and if they start how they finished against Rottingwood, lookout... be a lot more pressure than we experienced against the Fluffy Ducks in the 2nd half.
Hopefully JSOS is burning up the track at training - an obvious replacement for H.
As for the Jack M replacement? Jack not only creates unique opportunities, but his defensive game is great - neither Dow or Fisher can be relied upon in this regard. Kennedy can, but his match fitness would be a realistic concern, so possibly a good sub option. Motlop is probably the most logical replacement for Jack M.
The Go Dees will be desperate and if they start how they finished against Rottingwood, lookout... be a lot more pressure than we experienced against the Fluffy Ducks in the 2nd half.
Hopefully JSOS is burning up the track at training - an obvious replacement for H.
As for the Jack M replacement? Jack not only creates unique opportunities, but his defensive game is great - neither Dow or Fisher can be relied upon in this regard. Kennedy can, but his match fitness would be a realistic concern, so possibly a good sub option. Motlop is probably the most logical replacement for Jack M.
Jack hasnt played since rnd 19, Kennedy hasn't played since rnd 17, 2/10ths of SFA difference in match fitness.
Jack hasnt played since rnd 19, Kennedy hasn't played since rnd 17, 2/10ths of SFA difference in match fitness.
Only want to play one of the 2 in a final given the lack of match fitness. Definitely not both.
VFL not making finals by couple of percentage points could be our undoing.
Luckily these are two players that will just roll their sleeves up and get on with it.
Yes, that rotten, lazy effort on the GC by our 2nds hurt us.
Agreed, if we lose McKay and Martin we must have a marking tall come in so that Charlie isn't the soul focus.
I hope SoJ is fit and ready to go, and I hope we don't fall into the trap of thinking we can ruck him versus Gawn.
Left field, Young in and a rotation of McGovern, Kemp and Marchbank forward?
Not against Kemp going forward. Leave the others where they are. JSOS definitely in.
JSOS won't be in but Kennedy will
JSOS won't be in but Kennedy will
How do you know?
How do you know?
A reliable source. Well reliable until proven wrong. Hope it's wrong.
JSOS won't be in but Kennedy will
Thanks rocky. Is Jack Silvagni's omission because of injury or just because he's omitted ?
Thanks rocky. Is Jack Silvagni's omission because of injury or just because he's omitted ?
Apparently, and as I say, reliable until proven wrong, it was a lack of match fitness. I know what your thinking, well what about Kennedy?! I can only assume Kennedy without match fitness offers more than JSOS without match fitness. As a few mentioned earlier there was a concern about taking two in under those circumstances.
Apparently, and as I say, reliable until proven wrong, it was a lack of match fitness. I know what your thinking, well what about Kennedy?! I can only assume Kennedy without match fitness offers more than JSOS without match fitness. As a few mentioned earlier there was a concern about taking two in under those circumstances.
Thanks rocky. Appreciate that.
JSOS won't be in but Kennedy will
That's funny because there's strong mail the Jack is definitely playing :-\
I guess we'll have to wait until the teams are announced or Vossy says who'll be included.
Jack re-injured his knee when he tried to play VFL so we just might not be confident he can get through.
Jack re-injured his knee when he tried to play VFL so we just might not be confident he can get through.
Its always a risk, but you know someone like Jack will sacrifice his body to get it done. He'd go out there on crutches if we needed him too.
TBH, with the makeup of the team, we probably do. Its either him or Young, and i don't trust young under the pressure of finals footy. He was failing under limited pressure in nothing games early on the season.
I think for team balance i'd prefer to take a risk with Jack in the side. Rather than be safe and limit our chances of winning.
A lot of tough choices required for this match.
Signing Young Until 2026 seems like one they might like to take back.
The lad's confidence seemed shot.
You would like to think that there is some support for him to help him get back on track...otherwise it's a wasted space on our list.
Apparently, and as I say, reliable until proven wrong, it was a lack of match fitness. I know what your thinking, well what about Kennedy?! I can only assume Kennedy without match fitness offers more than JSOS without match fitness. As a few mentioned earlier there was a concern about taking two in under those circumstances.
JSOS can fill in for McKay, Kennedy can't.
Final training session was today I think. I think maybe Kennedy got more hours under his belt on the training track and Vossy loves him.
JSOS can fill in for McKay, Kennedy can't.
Kennedy could play FF at a pinch.
He could play in the middle and allow Cripps to play more forward.
If Jack doesn't play, he's literally our next best option....which is a worry.
Kennedy could play FF at a pinch.
He could play in the middle and allow Cripps to play more forward.
If Jack doesn't play, he's literally our next best option....which is a worry.
TDK was very busily practicing his forward craft at training, (Ch7 News). That what we went with last time against Melbourne. Only difference though from the last Melbourne game is Martin. Kennedy, even Kemp forward in that role?
Apparently, and as I say, reliable until proven wrong, it was a lack of match fitness. I know what your thinking, well what about Kennedy?! I can only assume Kennedy without match fitness offers more than JSOS without match fitness. As a few mentioned earlier there was a concern about taking two in under those circumstances.
Seems your mail is good.
Signing Young Until 2026 seems like one they might like to take back.
The lad's confidence seemed shot.
You would like to think that there is some support for him to help him get back on track...otherwise it's a wasted space on our list.
After starting the season well, Lewis seemed to become a casualty of the tweaked gameplan and more positive ball movement.
His work in the VFL was generally pretty good and it was obvious that he was an AFL listed player.
His recall to the AFL as a last man standing ruckman didn’t go well but I don’t think that we should write him off on that basis.
I think that he must be in the mix for Friday night but at fairly long odds. There’s no way that he could play as a key forward - as that brief experiment showed. If he comes into the 22, it will be as a defender and Kemp or McGovern will go forward. I really can’t see that happening.
If Jack Silvagni isn’t fully fit, I suspect that we’ll go with a smaller forward line.
Young will have a pre-season to learn how to fit in to the tweaked gameplan.
The omens....
1944 Carlton lose last game of the season by 1 point
to miss finals. Bulldogs make finals as a result
o 2022✔
1945 League increase number of rounds for the
season
o 2023
o Carlton two games outside the finals halfway
through the season
o 2023
o Carlton wins last 9 out of 10 games to make
finals, several by less than a goal
o 2023
o Carlton wins first final despite other team
having more scoring shots
© 2023 ✔
• 1945 Premiership
O NEXT ??
The omens....
1944 Carlton lose last game of the season by 1 point
to miss finals. Bulldogs make finals as a result
o 2022✔
1945 League increase number of rounds for the
season
o 2023
o Carlton two games outside the finals halfway
through the season
o 2023
o Carlton wins last 9 out of 10 games to make
finals, several by less than a goal
o 2023
o Carlton wins first final despite other team
having more scoring shots
© 2023 ✔
• 1945 Premiership
O NEXT ??
Love the optimism, Laj, but the bow is pretty long...!
Given what happened in the 1945 Grand Final, does that mean we have to flatten half of the opposition on the day?
Love the optimism, Laj, but the bow is pretty long...!
Given what happened in the 1945 Grand Final, does that mean we have to flatten half of the opposition on the day?
Might be ok given the opposition might be the Pies...haha.
The omens....
1944 Carlton lose last game of the season by 1 point
to miss finals. Bulldogs make finals as a result
o 2022✔
1945 League increase number of rounds for the
season
o 2023
o Carlton two games outside the finals halfway
through the season
o 2023
o Carlton wins last 9 out of 10 games to make
finals, several by less than a goal
o 2023
o Carlton wins first final despite other team
having more scoring shots
© 2023 ✔
• 1945 Premiership
O NEXT ??
Don't forget the stat they trotted out at the start of our run this year.
There have only ever been 3 teams in the history of the VFL/AFL that have won 5 or more games in a row by 50 points or more.
Cats twice - and won the flag in both those years
Us in 2023 - ..... ?
Love the optimism, Laj, but the bow is pretty long...!
Given what happened in the 1945 Grand Final, does that mean we have to flatten half of the opposition on the day?
Concussion protocols would have out of control that day. Might have been playing 12 on 12 by the end...haha.
Don't forget the stat they trotted out at the start of our run this year.
There have only ever been 3 teams in the history of the VFL/AFL that have won 5 or more games in a row by 50 points or more.
Cats twice - and won the flag in both those years
Us in 2023 - ..... ?
Omens are building!...lol.
Here's another one. Had 13 wins before the finals started. Win 4 more means 17 wins for our 17th flag
Omens are BS, they can be created/manufactured if you try hard enough and alll the stats in the world have virtually no bearing on the result this week, we need to play our best footy for 4 qtrs.
Gotta do our homework this week and come in with a well balanced and well prepared side. We need to curtail their match winners who were down last week and are not like to play two stinkers in a row. Dont get sucked into the stories about their players carrying injuries, every club has them this time of the year, our skipper is wearing a Sealy Posturepedic mattress over his ribs but the champions find a way. Word is SOS failed a fitness test which means we will be short up fwd.
Should be a cracker.
Go Blues.
This would be my side assuming SOS isn't fit.
TDK goes fwd to cover for Harry, Pitto is going to have to go solo, load up on mids with Kennedy coming in and Dow as the sub.
Out H Martin
In Kennedy Motlop
Emerg Hollands Dow Fisher Probably Dow the Sub
(Cant believe I'm leaving Marchbank in there).
This would be my side assuming SOS isn't fit.
TDK goes fwd to cover for Harry, Pitto is going to have to go solo, load up on mids with Kennedy coming in and Dow as the sub.
Out H Martin
In Kennedy Motlop
Emerg Hollands Dow Fisher Probably Dow the Sub
(Cant believe I'm leaving Marchbank in there).
Marchy has been very solid he has a high footy IQ. Keep him in.
Thanks Rocky for the exclusive.
Omens are BS, they can be created/manufactured if you try hard enough and alll the stats in the world have virtually no bearing on the result this week, we need to play our best footy for 4 qtrs.
Gotta do our homework this week and come in with a well balanced and well prepared side. We need to curtail their match winners who were down last week and are not like to play two stinkers in a row. Dont get sucked into the stories about their players carrying injuries, every club has them this time of the year, our skipper is wearing a Sealy Posturepedic mattress over his ribs but the champions find a way. Word is SOS failed a fitness test which means we will be short up fwd.
Should be a cracker.
Go Blues.
Yep.
No offense meant, but searching for 'omens' is grasping at straws. I'm sure Go Dees supporters could also come up with plenty of good omens.
As you say, GTC old son, we have to be prepared for this mob tomorrow night with the ruthless hunting focus we had a few weeks ago. Personally, I think a smaller forward line will work in our favour, especially if the mids can hit the scoreboard as well.
Just go out with the right mindset and get the job done
Aggressive, manic, high pressure, non-social able footy >:D
Question is whether JSOS will get up. Conflicting reports on that. If not might have to roll the dice on Kennedy. Don't think any of our other talls are a realistic possibility due to a variety of factors - form, fitness, lack of maturity.
Does anyone here know that we have never beaten Melbourne in a final!
It will be history in the making!
Sounds like something I didn't want to hear!
Silvagni...Sub??
Can fill multiple roles.
It's a question of readiness.
You wouldn't want an early injury and then the sub also breaking down, but it might be worth the risk.
It'd raise the roof when he came on.
Silvagni...Sub??
Can fill multiple roles.
For me SoJ is either in or out.
Because we have Mids who have utility, I'd still have Dow as the Sub that allows Hewett, Cerra, Doc or Walsh to be moved as required.
I also worry about Cripps injury, if we lost him early Dow would be the right Sub option.
Interestingly, I see the Melbourne Mids as very similar to our own, not overly quick but a powerful group, to me Dow has shown he has the strength to go head to head with this type, it's the faster Midfields that expose him a bit.
The last couple of times we've played Melbourne our lot have got under the skin of the opposition. Melbourne didn't like not having it their own way and the Melbourne midfield gave away some stupid 50s, I can see this happening against.
If we have a weakness against them it's been their small / medium forwards, but no Melksham makes a difference. In the past Melksham's been the one doing the sly off the ball stuff that let the others mark uncontested.
Vossy's presser suggests that, while Jack Silvagni is fit, he does not have the required match fitness.
Chugga has had an extra couple of weeks and it seems like he will be one of the ins.
Vossy's presser suggests that, while Jack Silvagni is fit, he does not have the required match fitness.
Chugga has had an extra couple of weeks and it seems like he will be one of the ins.
Well even if I am a little disappointed I'm not surprised, when SoJ did his injury we heard rumors it would be with him for the remainder of 2023 as it needs off-season attention of some sort. Fwiw, we've heard similar rumours about Pitto, TDK and now even Gawn rumoured to be carrying a re-occurrence of his toe issues.
But by choice if an option is available you can't go into finals with the unfit option, it burns you every single time!
Does anyone here know that we have never beaten Melbourne in a final!
It will be history in the making!
Sounds like something I didn't want to hear!
1962 we did.
Does anyone here know that we have never beaten Melbourne in a final!
It will be history in the making!
Sounds like something I didn't want to hear!
This very week there is restored VFL footage of Barrassi leading us to a final's victory against his old side.
When we play Melbourne we are competing against about 3 other clubs, because they all want a chance to bridge the gap on the Premiership table. There will be many barracking against us, which is why Carlton people need to roll up in numbers and be overtly loud.
No more dreaded silence people, lift the team with your voice, when the players appear to doubt become their confidence with your voice.
The voice of the fans can be the difference, stronger together!
I have bad memories of 2000 and 1994.
I have bad memories of 2000 and 1994.
Maybe, but 1994 lead to 1995. ;)
We stank that afternoon in 2004, bitterly disappointing. Stuffed around with the ball across half forward all day and still lost.
Well even if I am a little disappointed I'm not surprised, when SoJ did his injury we heard rumors it would be with him for the remainder of 2023 as it needs off-season attention of some sort. Fwiw, we've heard similar rumours about Pitto, TDK and now even Gawn rumoured to be carrying a re-occurrence of his toe issues.
But by choice if an option is available you can't go into finals with the unfit option, it burns you every single time!
Yes, you might get away with a player carrying an injury or going in underdone during the home and away season, but rarely in finals.
We know that Chugga has been playing in our match simulations from his clash with Pitto so he must be good to go.
Apparently Jack’s knee is fine but he hasn’t had enough work.
I think that our fringe players had a practice match against Melbourne’s VFL team, or am I imagining that?
Fans are rightly focussed on who is coming in, but often when you are in finals the real valuable info is who isn't in serious consideration at all, for me that is a tell for the coming trade period.
Those who enjoyed the bias Blues Radio clip last week you can listen to the game on Blue Radio, Friday night on the SEN App. It will be just as biased...haha,
Those who enjoyed the bias Blues Radio clip last week you can listen to the game on Blue Radio, Friday night on the SEN App. It will be just as biased...haha,
and for anyone who wants Melbourne bias just watch channel 7.
and for anyone who wants Melbourne bias just watch channel 7.
I suspect Nathan Jones will be back this Friday night as well, his suburban side lost in last weeks finals.
I suspect Nathan Jones will be back this Friday night as well, his suburban side lost in last weeks finals.
Brayshaw last week trying to make out that Sydney were getting screwed by the arc was ridiculous. He wanted the Acres touch overruled, fortunately Hodge was strong enough to not go along without that tripe.
Looks like we are going small into this game that means long bombs are out of question.
Super concerned Charlie is going to get zoned and double teamed and bring in an additional mid-sized defender for Kennedy.
Could potentially open up our midfield and have +1 in there if they double tag Charlie and bring one extra for Kennedy.
This is going to be a fascinating game to watch.
Brayshaw last week trying to make out that Sydney were getting screwed by the arc was ridiculous. He wanted the Acres touch overruled, fortunately Hodge was strong enough to not go along without that tripe.
Hodge is not a media professional, he doesn't care about ratings and he probably get's his cheque regardless of performance.
Brayshaw, BT and others need ratings, they get cheques based on media coverage, which is why the beat up the bulls1t so much!
Even so I prefer Brayshaw to others, but he was a bit spineless in the circumstance surrounding his nephew.
Looks like we are going small into this game that means long bombs are out of question.
If we do go small our pressure and tackling will be key, if we go small and camp inside F50 looking for crumbs we will lose, if they get up the field and exert pressure on the Melbourne defence and Mids we are a goo chance to win.
If we do go small our pressure and tackling will be key, if we go small and camp inside F50 looking for crumbs we will lose, if they get up the field and exert pressure on the Melbourne defence and Mids we are a goo chance to win.
So, we'll be looking at the chaos ball going forward.
Brayshaw last week trying to make out that Sydney were getting screwed by the arc was ridiculous. He wanted the Acres touch overruled, fortunately Hodge was strong enough to not go along without that tripe.
ARC called touched so Brayshaw and co can GAGFed.
One thing for sure Motlop won't be sub, not sure what we really expected a low possession small forward to do in one quarter when the ball is up the other end?
The sub needs to be a midfielder or ideally a utility that can play anywhere like a Setterfield.
ARC called touched so Brayshaw and co can GAGFed.
Umpire called touched, the ARC showed it was touched and he was still crapping on. Think he actually called it dodgy but I need to rewatch that.
Jack not playing because lack of match fitness but Kennedy to be picked...? When did Kennedy last play?
Jack not playing because lack of match fitness but Kennedy to be picked...? When did Kennedy last play?
Jack re-injured his knee so he wouldn't have trained as much as Kennedy.
Jack re-injured his knee so he wouldn't have trained as much as Kennedy.
Fair enough....
So, we'll be looking at the chaos ball going forward.
@laj more goals from forced turnovers I expect Kemp, Marchbank, McGovern and Weiters to be in intercept overload. Some wrap around run from Doc, Saad and Newman and we should be sending the hot footy back in before the Dees can reset.
1962 we did.
Glad to wrong on that score.
I heard Gary Lyon say that before a final Between Carlton & Melbourne quite a few years ago.
Umpire called touched, the ARC showed it was touched and he was still crapping on. Think he actually called it dodgy but I need to rewatch that.
Like I said mate, he can GAGFed, he's an imbecile.
Motlop & Kennedy will come into the team, Dow will be the sub.
ARC called touched so Brayshaw and co can GAGFed.
Putting it politely. Blokes like Brayshaw and the egocentric biased brotherhood need to stay in their lanes.
Putting it politely. Blokes like Brayshaw and the egocentric biased brotherhood need to stay in their lanes.
Yes, far more polite and eloquent than me, that's why I could never be a politician or a teacher.
I have bad memories of 2000 and 1994.
I was there in 1994, possibly the first Carlton final i attended.....at least the first one i remember.
Was not a good one.
Motlop & Kennedy will come into the team, Dow will be the sub.
Confirmed
In Kennedy Motlop
Out H Martin
I saw vision of Dow and Chugga at training, it looked to me like Chugga was congratulating him for something, probably being named Sub.
Interestingly, Grundy named as an Emergency
Sam Durdin named as an emergency?? Gotta be first time for the year?
Does that mean there is an injury cloud over one of our key backs? Are we flirting with the idea of him as a sub?
Ch7 news reported that Marchy went through a fitness test hence the naming of Durdin.
Devastated for JSOS
Sam Durdin named as an emergency?? Gotta be first time for the year?
Does that mean there is an injury cloud over one of our key backs? Are we flirting with the idea of him as a sub?
Tall Durds has made the emergencies a couple of times this season. Presumably providing cover for a defender with a niggle.
Ch7 news reported that Marchy went through a fitness test hence the naming of Durdin.
Any idea of Marchbank's issue?
Marchy can't be injured again surely
Any idea of Marchbank's issue?
They didn't say, they just showed him being put through running drills to pass a test. I'd suggest it was leg related.
And people wonder why I'm so savage on Marchbank.
He can play when he actually gets on the park but the guy is made of balsawood.
Devastated for JSOS
Same. A heart and soul type who you'd reckon is built for finals from an attitude point of view. You know he'd leave absolutely nothing on the field. We finally make finals and doesn't get into the side, heart breaking.
OMEN ALERT
SOS gets left out this year (like his dad in 86) and we lose the GF. Next year, he gets selected and we win it (like his dad in 87).
Lock it in.
And people wonder why I'm so savage on Marchbank.
He can play when he actually gets on the park but the guy is made of balsawood.
You do realise that he is still picked in the side right?
Same. A heart and soul type who you'd reckon is built for finals from an attitude point of view. You know he'd leave absolutely nothing on the field. We finally make finals and doesn't get into the side, heart breaking.
OMEN ALERT
SOS gets left out this year (like his dad in 86) and we lose the GF. Next year, he gets selected and we win it (like his dad in 87).
Lock it in.
We can but dream....
I have this sneaky suspicion Blacres won't get up.
Game day.
Go you Blue Baggers!!!
Just spoke to a mate of mine who is a die-hard Dees member. Player sponsor, MCC member, the whole works.
I asked him who is going to win....he said Carlton by 3-4 goals.
Reason being, Dees forward structure fails against good teams.
I hope he's right.
Just spoke to a mate of mine who is a die-hard Dees member. Player sponsor, MCC member, the whole works.
I asked him who is going to win....he said Carlton by 3-4 goals.
Reason being, Dees forward structure fails against good teams.
I hope he's right.
They don't really have a forward structure, at least not a settled one.
They have tried Brown (7 games for 11 goals), Grundy (17 for 10) and McDonald (7 for 9) as key forwards and none of them have worked. Van Rooyen (20 for 28) is probably their most consistent tall forward but his attempt at thuggery cost him a place in the team. Fritsch (16 for 36) and Pickett (22 for 35) are their most dangerous forwards. After that, they rely on midfielders and they won't be getting too many easy opportunities. Melksham is a significant loss too.
Our seven in form defenders and overall team defence should ensure that Melbourne don't get to jury rig a forward structure.
We'll miss Harry and Jack but we've shown that we can adjust to the circumstances ... like having nine goal scorers last week when Charlie and Harry were quiet. Ash Hansen has done a pretty good job with our forward structures.
Hollands Sub
This mob will be very hard to beat tonight, make no mistake about it. They are talented and very well coached and as I have said before, they will not play two stickers in a row, especially in front of goal. The likelihood of them going out in straight sets from top 4 is very slim IMO. We, structurally, have two very important players out and couple (Cripps and Acres) are a little banged up. If its tight I'd like to think we have had enough practice at hanging on our pinching it. Defensively they have to pillars who will make life hard for Charlie.
Top 10s In no particular order:
Charlie
Cripps
Cerra
Walsh
George
Acres
Weiters
Doc
Saad
TDK
V
Gawn
Petracca
Oliver
Viney
Fritsch
Pickett
Langdon
May
Lever
Salem
Too hard to call.
They don't really have a forward structure, at least not a settled one.
They have tried Brown (7 games for 11 goals), Grundy (17 for 10) and McDonald (7 for 9) as key forwards and none of them have worked. Van Rooyen (20 for 28) is probably their most consistent tall forward but his attempt at thuggery cost him a place in the team. Fritsch (16 for 36) and Pickett (22 for 35) are their most dangerous forwards. After that, they rely on midfielders and they won't be getting too many easy opportunities. Melksham is a significant loss too.
Our seven in form defenders and overall team defence should ensure that Melbourne don't get to jury rig a forward structure.
We'll miss Harry and Jack but we've shown that we can adjust to the circumstances ... like having nine goal scorers last week when Charlie and Harry were quiet. Ash Hansen has done a pretty good job with our forward structures.
Well that's basically it, they don't have one that they can rely on because the consistency isn't there.
I think we are slightly too tall down back though. If they play through the smaller players, we'll struggle chasing tail.
They don't really have a forward structure, at least not a settled one.
They have tried Brown (7 games for 11 goals), Grundy (17 for 10) and McDonald (7 for 9) as key forwards and none of them have worked. Van Rooyen (20 for 28) is probably their most consistent tall forward but his attempt at thuggery cost him a place in the team. Fritsch (16 for 36) and Pickett (22 for 35) are their most dangerous forwards. After that, they rely on midfielders and they won't be getting too many easy opportunities. Melksham is a significant loss too.
Our seven in form defenders and overall team defence should ensure that Melbourne don't get to jury rig a forward structure.
We'll miss Harry and Jack but we've shown that we can adjust to the circumstances ... like having nine goal scorers last week when Charlie and Harry were quiet. Ash Hansen has done a pretty good job with our forward structures.
Agree....but Id add Petracca to their forward line and it looks a lot more dangerous, I would have preferred them adding Brown or Grundy, the smaller lineup with Petracca down there concerns me more. They bombed the ball last week and wasted opportunities but with less tall targets they will be looking to run and carry the ball I50 more and I wouldnt want us to be too tall or slow down back.
Agree....but Id add Petracca to their forward line and it looks a lot more dangerous, I would have preferred them adding Brown or Grundy, the smaller lineup with Petracca down there concerns me more. They bombed the ball last week and wasted opportunities but with less tall targets they will be looking to run and carry the ball I50 more and I wouldnt want us to be too tall or slow down back.
Petracca going forward is a bit of a two-edged sword. He can be dangerous and is big enough and quick enough to trouble a lot of defenders and will demand Kemp or Guv as an opponent. The downside for Melbourne is that their midfield is considerably weaker without him.
I was hoping for Brown or Grundy too.
Yep, that's the worry for me..our defence is too tall and slow. Marchbank should have been replaced with a quicker player.
Yep, that's the worry for me..our defence is too tall and slow. Marchbank should have been replaced with a quicker player.
I think that our defenders match up very well against Melbourne's forwards in terms of size and quickness:
Petracca 187 Kemp 193
Fritsch 188 McGovern 191
Jordan 187 Marchbank 193
Sparrow 183 Cincotta 186
McDonald 195 Weitering 196
Neale-Bullen 183 Cincotta 186
Chandler 175 Saad 178
Spargo 173
And our team defence and defensive structure will be too much for a cobbled together forward line that is struggling to score.
Effectively, McGovern has replaced Fisher from our last game against Melbourne. Melbourne has replaced Grundy, Melksham and Van Rooyen with McDonald, Fritsch and Spargo. Fritsch is a positive for them, even if he's going at half rat power. Melksham and Van Rooyen are significant outs.
I rate Hollands but I would have gone Dow, simply because I reckon the Dees are going to try to hammer us early and being lighter bodied Hollands might get targeted. Watch for Viney to do something stupid early on, he's got form.
I rate Hollands but I would have gone Dow, simply because I reckon the Dees are going to try to hammer us early and being lighter bodied Hollands might get targeted. Watch for Viney to do something stupid early on, he's got form.
He's the sub though. You can't hammer a bloke on the bench.
I have nothing to add to the rich discussion on this thread. Rather I'm hoping for our best and believe the rest will follow.
Enjoy Bluebaggers. Cheer with passion and pride. Stay safe and do your best to bring the boys home.
Go Blues. The time is now.
He's the sub though. You can't hammer a bloke on the bench.
Good point Thry, but I wouldn’t put it past Viney to try 😉
...or Pickett. And I reckon somebody like Cincotta wouldnt have a problem serving it back either
Weird sub for Melbourne...Josh Schache....
Weird sub for Melbourne...Josh Schache....
Maybe, as someone here speculated, Fritch is carrying an injury 🤔
Weird sub for Melbourne...Josh Schache....
Love it, gives them nothing as a sub.
Neale-Bullen is another that can bob up for a goal or 2
Not at all confident this week. Just feel like we played our GF last week.
I’m still pleased with the year even with a loss tonight.
Hopefully I have no idea what I’m talking about.