Yep, I still have Doch as my favorite to replace Murphy.
Cripps is impressive, for his age, but he's got some glaring issues that might make him too easily negated.
I really like Fisher, in another year or two I can see Docherty (C), Fisher (VC), it's not about influence and results but about Fisher's effort and commitment.
Starting with the 03 season, he never kicked less than 49 goals in a season. If that isn't handy, I don't know what is.
Yes, it's hard to justify an attempt to downplay Fev's influence on the field by discussing his foibles off-field.
Fans best keep in mind that after that "Final Straw", McGuire's Pies, Brayshaw's Norp and Lyon's Dees all made inquiries about Fevola when it was clear his time was done at Carlton!
Hes had a few handy seasons in his 10 year AFL career. But he has largely been an also ran even if he is a big bodied also ran who can hurt the opposition without a possession. The stats actually show, he wasnt as good as anyone thinks he was.
Is that realistic and reasonable?
Robinson won an AFL B&F 2015, finished 2nd in 2016 B&F, finished 7th and 9th on the John Nicholls medal while at our club, and is a 100 game player for us. He was also selected to represent his country in International Rules in 2011.
A lot of average AFL players would be very happy with that record!
Hes more solid but unspectacular, and whilst we could use a solid footballer, he had his problems to go with it.
When you think Mitch Robinson, automatically think of Dan Connors. In a sliding doors situation, that could have been Mitch.
So you think Robinson's behavior is analogous or equivalent to someone who glassed a bystander in what courts found to be an unprovoked attack?
Further, when did Connors win an AFL B&F?
You might be happy to see him go, you might be bitter that he left, or perhaps all of the above at one time or another, but the Lions clearly have the last laugh!
Obviously we cannot debate a whole career or potential, but for example which player currently on our list would when giving away height, reach and experience nullify a Dustin Fletcher type, is there anyone up to the task?
We got rid of a champion full forward for a lack of discipline but I supported the club's decision at the time and still do.
Very true.
Was Fevola less talented than Didak?
Was pissing on a restaurant window a bigger problem than firing an unlicensed and unregistered pistol into a factory, a gun provided by a bloke who was under police investigation?
Was separating drunken friends at a concert, or lying about defending a team-mate outside a night club, anywhere near as big of a problem?
Were any of Robinson's or Fevola's offenses worse than Drunk Unlicensed Driving?
I understand all the reasons, I do not understand how they can be so differently applied and for integrity to remain!
Matthews also got the best out of Pyke after three clubs decided that he was too much trouble.
Pyke and White were not bad footballers though, I frown at Carlton fans talking down Robinson as a footballer because of some off-field misdemeanors that were over-played by the media. He is and was a good footballer, and someone we dearly miss around the contest. There is no universal rule that a goose cannot be a good footballer, and MM was a hypocrite to condemn Robinson while excusing Alan "The Pistol" Didak and Heath "The Driver" Shaw!
Should the level of on-field exploit be of any relevance in determining such an outcome? Isn't that a Trumpism if we accept that is the case, one rule applied differently for some!
I'm not sure being stared down by Leigh Matthews is the same as being stared down by Brendan Bolton, but then few if any would be the equal of Leigh Matthews! Matthews has the eye of a White-Pointer as is cruises past ever so unnervingly!
Na, he's a 200 gamer and supposed leader of the club. He should know his midfield role like the back of his hand, and getting sucked into a midfield contest is either him taking the onus onto himself to leave the role he was assigned in an effort to fix what someone else is doing wrong or deciding that defending wasn't his go, with the only other option being, that this is what he thought he was supposed to do.
Wasn't the debate about Marc Murphy making a mistake playing as a permanent defender?
I suppose there are levels of tolerance, but I do wonder how many games Mitch Robinson had played in the ruck when he punched that ball over the goal line? However, if he had repeated it over and over again!
I'd expect Murphy to learn faster than a newbie, but I don't expect him to be another Brian Lake or Sam Docherty overnight!
Murphy is newer to defense than Jones, just because he's been around a long time and is captain shouldn't make people think he knows what he is doing in the back line!
We've been doing this the whole season, but the fans point the finger at Jones and Weitering. Too many see the effect and are oblivious to the cause! They'll call it pissweak defense.
In reality, if our blokes take the football in the same midfield situation, a Lions forward will chase us down! Our forwards jog along behind pointing fingers at defenders to get him, then we clap them for taking one contested mark a quarter! Refer to McKay and Casboult!
But every club needs them, and Grigg plays his role very well. And I don't think that they are as common as matches in a box, if they were we wouldn't be sitting on the bottom.
No, Grigg types are common as matches in a box, it's some of the players around him that are not!
He'd walk into our current side, not only that but he'd be one of the group of experienced one club players who we are crying out for.
I don't agree, we need more ACoS types, front line hard ball get contested possession leaders, not the players they give the ball to!
Grigg is not structural, he's cladding, and I back our kids to be just as effective in the short term! Even a Lang type could be our Grigg if we surround him with the right players! If he can work on leg speed, I'd even back in SoJ to become our Grigg!
But a Cotchin, Caddy or Riewoldt type, that's a very different issue!
