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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
I don't know what Cincotta has done or said but his card appears to be marked. I think i had him in my best 22 at the start of the year or at least next in line. He has been an emergency just about every game, and it doesn't how many injuries we get, he still remains an emergency.

Honestly, i would've preferred him in the side over Young yesterday, and that is saying something with the twin towers they had there.
Young loses his opponent too many times, and that costs us goals. Kemp and Weitering don't lose their opponents half as much, and even if they did we'd still be better off with the extra run we'd get by not having Young as a hinderence in that area.
McGovern provides exactly that, and Cincotta is a poor mans McGovern.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: madbluboy on
Explain to me how the whole Southern Stand saw Williams get coat hangered but not one of the 4 umpires saw it? That turned the game back in their favour.

Not sure if you saw the replay or not, but i wouldn't have paid it from the replay, and if i was Vossy, i would be tearing strips of Williams for diving and giving them a goal as a result.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
In hindsight, we might have been better off having Charlie run with Cameron for a one on one all over the ground and force Cameron to go with him. Weiters has Hawkins covered, Charlie is a good match size and aerobically for Cameron.

We still have BigH, TDK and Cripps to push into F50, but stop Hawkins and Cameron and the Handbaggers look much more limited for options. I don't know how many of the Handbagger scores started with a Cameron involvement from somewhere outside the arc, but I'd assert it was plenty.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: pinot on
Zac Williams gave up four goals through poor defending and turn over.
Newman is out of form and not close checking.
Lost same way as we did against Adelaide lack of run and speed in transition with two rucks.
Williams is not a defender per se', we all know that and Chris Scott exploited it to perfection. Unfortunately, his team mates (in defence) let him down by lack of support. Zac is a creative run and carry HB with good disposal skills, yesterday he was taken to places he just didn't want to go to. He and his team mates will review it and learn. The key to a premiership is a solid, consistant back 6 or 7, whilst we are treading water at the minute, we aren't are premiership threat right now due to the disruption of the defensive unit. Once we get them back and they can regain their cohesion and consistency, then will we see if we are contenders or not.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
Quote from: madbluboy on
The likes of Carrol and Durdin offer no pressure which makes it harder  for Acres, Cottrell and Hollands to give chase. Which makes it hard for Williams, Kemp and Cowan to defend.
I suppose injuries are forcing our hand, but I still don't understand subbing Owies and keeping Durdin, Carroll and adding Binns.

We are missing Fogarty, and probably Cunningham as well, but rather than sub Owies I'd have subbed Durdin or Carroll and sent Owies further up the field. Unless of course there are reasons, maybe Owies is not 100% fit. Early this season and last season, it was Owies you'd find on the last line body on body with an opponent.

Even so, I don't understand the change from the GWS to the Handbaggers game, maybe the GWS game took more out of our lot than we realise.

Cowan's first couple of games back weren't too bad, but he turned it into a hot potato a lot, Cincotta is a bit unlucky.

I don't understand Young.

But then again I don't understand a skied ball inside F50 and all our forwards crowding around the fall of the ball 35m out and watching it bounce.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by madbluboy -
Quote from: LP on
Why can the likes of Tuohy or Guthrie take the footy run 2 or 3 steps, be tackled and then just hold onto to it unpenalised, but Hewett or Acres does that and it's holding the ball?

Watching the replay is infuriating, all those little moments go against us, we probably missed out at least 5 or 6 free kicks in and around our HFF in just a half of footy, incidents where the Handbaggers just held onto the footy after trying to break a tackle, dropped it cold, or just threw it away. Our tacklers were not rewarded at all!

Clarkson complained about this in 2016 when they were knocked out of the finals by the dogs. He asked how can you have 100 tackles and not one holding the ball? What is the point in tackling?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by madbluboy -
Our offence is fine, it's our all over the ground defence.
Fogarty was ranked the best pressure forward in the comp and since we have lost him we have conceded  100, 98 and 118 points.

The likes of Carrol and Durdin offer no pressure which makes it harder  for Acres, Cottrell and Hollands to give chase. Which makes it hard for Williams, Kemp and Cowan to defend.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
Why can the likes of Tuohy or Guthrie take the footy run 2 or 3 steps, be tackled and then just hold onto to it unpenalised, but Hewett or Acres does that and it's holding the ball?

Watching the replay is infuriating, all those little moments go against us, we probably missed out at least 5 or 6 free kicks in and around our HFF in just a half of footy, incidents where the Handbaggers just held onto the footy after trying to break a tackle, dropped it cold, or just threw it away. Our tacklers were not rewarded at all!