In discussing the steps to be taken to ensure Charlie Curnow doesn't stuff up, Brendon Bolton had this to say:
"The thing is, we have got some good leaders here ... Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs, Simmo (Kade Simpson); he's going to be able to learn from those boys as well. It is going to be ongoing education.
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I reckon Bolton is a good judge but I suspect some folk won't agree with him ::)
In discussing the steps to be taken to ensure Charlie Curnow doesn't stuff up, Brendon Bolton had this to say:
I reckon Bolton is a good judge but I suspect some folk won't agree with him ::)
I hope he's right DJC but some of our old boys were not obviously listening to what that group had to say.
Not a bad approach. These guys have been told they're no good for a decade. Anyone coming in is going to believe that meaning they are cut off at the knees before they've even started. So a nice strong endorsement from the coach right off the bat, as soon as the new blokes are in the door.
Let's see how positive BB stays through the year.
Let's see how positive BB stays through the year.
In that sentence hides the truth, the problems created by the past cannot just be resolved by changing the coach. If the club is serious it needs to stick fat, as it should have stuck fat back going as far back as the Brittain days.
The dynamics of the playing group are a bit of a mystery to supporters.
In the main you get the feeling that guys like Murphy Gibbs Jamison, even Judd in his day, aren't strong leaders.
Then you look at the guys that have left the club and you wonder how much influence the leaders had in seeing them off.
I've had the feeling for some time that the playing group hasn't been a cohesive unit but rather a group of little cliques.
I think there's been a group or two of dedicated professional players and a group who haven't really invested in the cause.
Is it poor leadership to not be able to keep the group together and on the straight and narrow?...probably
Is it poor leadership not to be able to turn troubled players around...or for some guys is that just a futile exercise and just not worth the effort.
Could it be the case that those who haven't been totally committed to the cause have been isolated...I get the feeling that's what happened with Yarran.
He couldn't wait to get out of the place.
There would be reasons for that.
With the turnover we start with a pretty clean slate.
The fringe players that have been retained are in the main players who have shown a good attitude and effort.
The players we've recruited seem to be of a similar stock.
Curnow may have made an off-field mistake 'just prior to the draft but if his on-field efforts are anything like his brothers he'll be fine.
Developing leaders is a long term strategy.
While the current and recent crop may have been lacking in some areas it's something to build on.
It's our next generation of leadership that looks to have a fair bit of potential.
In discussing the steps to be taken to ensure Charlie Curnow doesn't stuff up, Brendon Bolton had this to say:
I reckon Bolton is a good judge but I suspect some folk won't agree with him ::)
Wasnt Kade Simpson the player who Levi Casboult was tied to on that booze cruise....?
Thought that was Houlahan
Thought it was Betts...
Wasnt Kade Simpson the player who Levi Casboult was tied to on that booze cruise....?
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Wasnt Kade Simpson the player who Levi Casboult was tied to on that booze cruise....?
If you're right Simmo could speak from experience ;)
A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then EB :)
I suspect that the players have sat through many sessions on drug and alcohol consumption since then too - as they should.
Twas Fevola wasnt it?
It was a big night ::)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/captive-carlton-rooke-and-booze-cruise-shame/story-e6frf7jo-1225813309312
Hours after the players were kicked off the boat, Eddie Betts was arrested in the city for being drunk, while Mitch Robinson was believed to have hurt his shoulder in a scuffle.
The club yesterday fined Betts $5000.
Carlton has also slapped $5000 fines on Ryan Houlihan - who organised the boat trip - and Andrew Walker after they brawled with staff at Crown's Promenade Hotel on Sunday morning.
Carlton players also made a drunken nuisance of themselves at The Fitz Cafe in Brunswick St, owned by former Carlton player Mil Hanna, before heading to swank Southbank nightclub Eve.
Haha wow how much worse does it seem in today's climate of political correctness.
Just watching the journey latest episode. Half way through Murphy addresses the team post Geelong loss.
Jeeeeesus. How uninspiring can you get? Didn't help it followed Sticks / Parkin addressing the group.
No charisma, natural leadership, gravitas, etc. Mumbled, chewed his words, looked uncomfortable, quiet as a church mouse.
Why are we kidding ourselves that this is a leader that will take us somewhere?
It's just wrong. So wrong. Leadership is so important... and this bloke.... bloooody he'll.
Can we finally drop this bloke and move on? Drop him as captain, player, whatever. Just move on.
Maclure on 360 tonight said it's time for the succession.
Said he thought Murphy would hand it over without to much angst.
Docherty or Cripps were the suggestions.
Maclure on 360 tonight said it's time for the succession.
Said he thought Murphy would hand it over without to much angst.
Docherty or Cripps were the suggestions.
I doubt whether that will happen. Bolton has been very consistent in his praise of Murphy and Gibbs as leaders (but doesn't often mention VC Simpson).
Leaders don't have to be "Ra! Ra! Ra!" They have to have the respect of the group and speak knowledgeably and with authority.
I reckon that we'll have at least another season with Murphy as skipper. After that, perhaps Gibbs but Cripps seems to be next in line.
You're right you don't have to be ra ra. But you do gave to have at least a speck of natural leadership.
Cripps for me.
Ideally you'd have someone with a bit harder edge but he'd have to be an upgrade.... even at 23.
You're right you don't have to be ra ra. But you do gave to have at least a speck of natural leadership.
Cripps for me.
Ideally you'd have someone with a bit harder edge but he'd have to be an upgrade.... even at 23.
I reckon that's old school thinking.
The post-game wraps are very considered and Murphy and the other leaders know exactly what's expected of them.
Bolton was very specific about how good Murphy was at organising his team mates at stoppages. Docherty is not a midfielder and won't provide that leadership. Cripps seems to be a bloke who thinks a lot about footy - and the footage of him spending time with Gibbs and Murphy after games suggests that he is eager to learn and to impart his own learnings. Given time, I think he should be a good skipper.
As much as I like Mark Maclure's insights, he knows as little about the leadership attributes of Murphy, Gibbs, Docherty and Cripps as you and I. The coaches and playing group reckon Murphy is the best bloke for the job at the moment. I could be wrong but I can't see that changing in the short term.
I suspect Sellars is closer to inner knowledge of what's happening at the good ship CFC than most of us. Wouldn't surprise me if that the only reason a succession plan is being discussed is because Murph is now 30 with in mind a replacement takes the helm in 2019. I don't think there's anything sinister is discussing a new skipper or a slight on Murph in any way.
Maclure on 360 tonight said it's time for the succession.
Said he thought Murphy would hand it over without to much angst.
Docherty or Cripps were the suggestions.
I'd be surprised, that is almost as external comment as we would make, populist media rubbish perhaps? Friends with an agenda?
From what I hear indirectly, Murphy's leadership, communication and co-ordination skills are so far ahead of the next option it's a real problem for the club, some say he could well be a future AFL coach if he so desires. Not sure what to make of that, suggests our recruiting team needs to consider the prospects of leadership as a skill.
Of the recent recruits, Cripps included, only Weitering comes close to Murphy. Cripps has quite a unique focus, drive and commitment that might actually alienate players who cannot keep up with him. Some say he is very similar to Judd and has the same pitfalls.
Weitering is more inclusive off-field while having white line fever on-field(Even though it isn't always showing!), he is likened to Kernahan.
Reckon Docherty will probably get the captains role if the club wants to relieve Murphy of the job...Cripps can get injured a bit and Weitering is still establishing his credentials as a complete player IMO and maybe doesnt need the burden.
Docherty would be very player neutral I reckon...respected by both young and old on the list, well spoken and is super consistent with his own game.
Not the supreme leader that say Hodge is in terms of leading the troops into battle by performing heroics but smart enough to lead the way by doing most things right when required and of a more calming educated nature...
Give it to Docherty till Weitering is ready.
Murph will be captain again but those that know and count know best.
I'd be surprised, that is almost as external comment as we would make, populist media rubbish perhaps? Friends with an agenda?
From what I hear indirectly, Murphy's leadership, communication and co-ordination skills are so far ahead of the next option it's a real problem for the club, some say he could well be a future AFL coach if he so desires. Not sure what to make of that, suggests our recruiting team needs to consider the prospects of leadership as a skill.
Of the recent recruits, Cripps included, only Weitering comes close to Murphy. Cripps has quite a unique focus, drive and commitment that might actually alienate players who cannot keep up with him. Some say he is very similar to Judd and has the same pitfalls.
Weitering is more inclusive off-field while having white line fever on-field(Even though it isn't always showing!), he is likened to Kernahan.
Thanks for the insight LP!! First time I had heard it put this way - always good to hear from anyone with an insiders view
I'd be surprised, that is almost as external comment as we would make, populist media rubbish perhaps? Friends with an agenda?
From what I hear indirectly, Murphy's leadership, communication and co-ordination skills are so far ahead of the next option it's a real problem for the club, some say he could well be a future AFL coach if he so desires. Not sure what to make of that, suggests our recruiting team needs to consider the prospects of leadership as a skill.
Of the recent recruits, Cripps included, only Weitering comes close to Murphy. Cripps has quite a unique focus, drive and commitment that might actually alienate players who cannot keep up with him. Some say he is very similar to Judd and has the same pitfalls.
Weitering is more inclusive off-field while having white line fever on-field(Even though it isn't always showing!), he is likened to Kernahan.
Pretty sure they started recruiting with leadership as a key focus a few years ago.
I reckon there was 1 draft where we picked up 3 players who were former captains of their clubs.
Give it to Docherty till Weitering is ready.
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NOT WEITERING! He is quick to go down AND stay down! A bit of a hypochondriac I think. I want a robust leader!
NOT WEITERING! He is quick to go down AND stay down! A bit of a hypochondriac I think. I want a robust leader!
I think that is very harsh on a kid in his second season, you judge his actions on assumptions you draw about his injuries.
Great Article (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/captain-marc-murphy-insists-there-are-blue-skies-ahead-for-carlton-20170824-gy3it4.html) about Carlton, Murphy and our Future;
States this about Weiters this year;
'Weiters' started up forward and then went down back. It was a real selfless role for Weiters. We were trying to find an avenue to goal so we put him up forward – he had trained all pre-season in the backline.
I think that is very harsh on a kid in his second season, you judge his actions on assumptions you draw about his injuries.
Great Article (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/captain-marc-murphy-insists-there-are-blue-skies-ahead-for-carlton-20170824-gy3it4.html) about Carlton, Murphy and our Future;
States this about Weiters this year;
I have noted him going to ground several times and showing great pain while the game is going on around him only to get up in a little while and then continue play. It is not courage or he would be up straight away knowing his team-mates need him.
I have noted him going to ground several times and showing great pain while the game is going on around him only to get up in a little while and then continue play. It is not courage or he would be up straight away knowing his team-mates need him.
That's because his shoulder is stuffed and he probably shouldn't be playing at all. I guess he believes that his team mates need him or he would have pulled the pin on the season and gone in for surgery.
That's because his shoulder is stuffed and he probably shouldn't be playing at all. I guess he believes that his team mates need him or he would have pulled the pin on the season and gone in for surgery.
I think that you are a glass half full person while I may be a glass half empty :)
didn't he say when interviewed a few weeks back he was 100% physically?
Weitering has hardly missed a game in 2 years.
Took a hit early last week and looked like his shoulder was/is an issue.
Hasn't been the same since that peanut from the cheats hammered him front on last year.
I think that you are a glass half full person while I may be a glass half empty :)
Don't forget that a glass half full of liquid is also half full of air ;)
Our leaders went awol today.
I hope our kids weren't watching.
I would say Gibbs is gone.
He just seems disinterested lately and probably thinking what could have been had he got the trade he wanted.
We need a change at the top.
Say what you like about Murphys communication and work with the kids but I will take Kruezers deeds every day.
What he does is the work of a true leader
Re Kruezer
If leading by example is a strong component of leadership, the big fella has shown shed loads of it. Week in week out. For 23 weeks this year.
I hear he's a quiet achiever, so his verbal skills may be limited. But then actions speak louder than words. I expect his display of 100% commitment to every contest, is inspiring for the others.
Pity he's such an introvert. Would be a good captain otherwise. Maybe vice captain next year at least?
Pity he's such an introvert. Would be a good captain otherwise. Maybe vice captain next year at least?
In his last couple of on-air interviews he seems to have come out of his shell a lot.
In his last couple of on-air interviews he seems to have come out of his shell a lot.
Noticed the same thing...
Pity he's such an introvert. Would be a good captain otherwise. Maybe vice captain next year at least?
His efforts speak loud enough