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Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: Lods on December 13, 2017, 06:29:58 pm

Title: Jumper Numbers
Post by: Lods on December 13, 2017, 06:29:58 pm
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-12-13/new-blues-receive-numbers

Some big shoes to fill for a few ;)
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: Gointocarlton on December 13, 2017, 06:39:36 pm
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-12-13/new-blues-receive-numbers

Some big shoes to fill for a few ;)
43 is the only spare of note.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: cookie2 on December 13, 2017, 06:44:22 pm
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2017-12-13/new-blues-receive-numbers

Some big shoes to fill for a few ;)

Great, I was wondering when they would be announced.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: townsendcalling on December 13, 2017, 07:54:28 pm
Jordan Russell 116 games.............that surprises me.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: flyboy77 on December 14, 2017, 11:03:42 am
43 is the only spare of note.

In 2019, 8 and 39 will be free.

And quite possibly 11,13 and 32.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: Thryleon on December 14, 2017, 12:03:46 pm
Jordan Russell 116 games.............that surprises me.

It shouldn't he was a pretty key member of our team from the mid noughties until we got Nick Duigan onboard.

In fact, he is one player who made me convinced that under our previous coaching team our players were not learning enough to do the job.

Russell had AFL level qualities, and when he was on song played really good standard footy and I feel as though his issues surrounded a lack of instruction on what the expectations of him were and no real defined role in the team.

As a result, his failings were highlighted far too often (decision making ability) which often resulted in a lack of faith in his ability to play his role for the team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhtCicx1S_A

He runs down quite a few good players in this clip as well as getting forward to kick goals.  Good size, good ability to read the play.  Won the Western Bulldogs VFL B+F in their premiership year as well, which highlights just how good he could be.  You have to ask how on earth he ended up the way he did with the lack of guidance provided to him, and his demise coincided with Ratten's sacking in a way that is not lost on me.  Particularly the fact that he went from really good to completely out of favour in a 12 week period which intrigued me and I never really understood.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: DJC on December 14, 2017, 12:28:13 pm
Russell had AFL level qualities, and when he was on song played really good standard footy and I feel as though his issues surrounded a lack of instruction on what the expectations of him were and no real defined role in the team.

At his best, Russell was a damn good footballer.  He was runner up to Juddy for the John Nicholls Medal in 2010.

He had hip problems in 2011 and, if I remember correctly, there were other issues.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: madbluboy on December 14, 2017, 12:47:29 pm
From memory he just didn't get as much of the ball when we threw Yarran back there.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: tonyo on December 14, 2017, 01:04:09 pm

Will be great to see the #7 on Kennedy's back - if he's half as good as Ratten or Johnston, we've done well.....
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: Navy Maven on December 14, 2017, 07:58:48 pm
In 2019, 8 and 39 will be free.

And quite possibly 11,13 and 32.

You reckon Kreuzer only has 1 season left in him?
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: DJC on December 14, 2017, 08:31:51 pm
You reckon Kreuzer only has 1 season left in him?

If he can maintain the form and fitness of 2017, Kreuzer could have several seasons of damn good footy to come.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: cookie2 on December 14, 2017, 09:43:18 pm
I remember seeing Russell play for us against Port one night at Etihad quite a few years ago now and early in his career. He was magnificent, probably the best game he ever played.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: Gointocarlton on December 15, 2017, 08:06:46 am
I remember seeing Russell play for us against Port one night at Etihad quite a few years ago now and early in his career. He was magnificent, probably the best game he ever played.
Noof was a very handy footballer, had some confidence issues early got over those and developed into a solid contributor. Seemed to be the whipping boy for a long time and was blamed for everything including the troubles in the middle east. The Club should have held onto him IMO, he was extremely upset when they let him go, loved the club and his team mates. A nicer more polite bloke you will not meet.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: flyboy77 on December 15, 2017, 08:15:00 am
Noof was a very handy footballer, had some confidence issues early got over those and developed into a solid contributor. Seemed to be the whipping boy for a long time and was blamed for everything including the troubles in the middle east. The Club should have held onto him IMO, he was extremely upset when they let him go, loved the club and his team mates. A nicer more polite bloke you will not meet.

Yes, got a raw deal, no question.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: Baggers on December 15, 2017, 11:23:31 am
Yes, got a raw deal, no question.

Totally agree. Never understood the negative attitude toward him.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: Gointocarlton on December 15, 2017, 12:03:33 pm
Totally agree. Never understood the negative attitude toward him.
High draft pick syndrome
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 15, 2017, 12:33:38 pm
Totally agree. Never understood the negative attitude toward him.

Had confidence issues standing his ground or putting himself in the contest, his disposal was also poor under pressure
and turned the ball over too much IMO...
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: crashlander on December 15, 2017, 12:53:11 pm
Had confidence issues standing his ground or putting himself in the contest, his disposal was also poor under pressure
and turned the ball over too much IMO...
Unfortunately true. :(
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: LP on December 15, 2017, 01:32:31 pm
Had confidence issues standing his ground or putting himself in the contest, his disposal was also poor under pressure
and turned the ball over too much IMO...

That is a problem with any player in a professional sport, once they have a weakness that has been public exposed the opposition will put them in circumstances to exploit it.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: Thryleon on December 15, 2017, 01:46:49 pm
That is a problem with any player in a professional sport, once they have a weakness that has been public exposed the opposition will put them in circumstances to exploit it.

It also helps if techniques are given to players to help them avoid this tactic by their managers.

Most managers play their players to their strengths, and eliminate their weaknesses not by just working on them until they are no longer weaknesses, but so that they shelve that part of their game until they absolutely have to do it.  Think kicking on the "wrong" side of your body.  If you are an average left foot kick at best, but call on it sparingly knowing that you can get the footy where you need to on the opposite side, 1 in 5 lets say, then only doing it once, means that the weakness isnt highlighted because you do it sparingly and in situations when its the best option.

The other side of that, is that the strengths are highlighted so frequently that the weakness vanishes.

Russell was prone to ten minutes of disaster footy which would cost games and that to me is a coaching issue not a player issue.
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 15, 2017, 01:52:10 pm
That is a problem with any player in a professional sport, once they have a weakness that has been public exposed the opposition will put them in circumstances to exploit it.

The one thing I will say in his favour was that he didnt try and hide the problem and was happy to admit he needed to get better in that area....good clubman
and happy to talk to the fans was JR...
Title: Re: Jumper Numbers
Post by: LP on December 18, 2017, 02:48:41 pm
It also helps if techniques are given to players to help them avoid this tactic by their managers.

Most managers play their players to their strengths, and eliminate their weaknesses not by just working on them until they are no longer weaknesses, but so that they shelve that part of their game until they absolutely have to do it.  Think kicking on the "wrong" side of your body.  If you are an average left foot kick at best, but call on it sparingly knowing that you can get the footy where you need to on the opposite side, 1 in 5 lets say, then only doing it once, means that the weakness isnt highlighted because you do it sparingly and in situations when its the best option.

The other side of that, is that the strengths are highlighted so frequently that the weakness vanishes.

Russell was prone to ten minutes of disaster footy which would cost games and that to me is a coaching issue not a player issue.

I suppose some issues can be voluntarily dealt with as you describe, but many problems will be issues that are instinctive and happen before conscious thought can take control.

Of course, from a sporting perspective instinctive actions will be the easiest to exploit.