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Quote from: MilkIt on December 31, 2013, 11:50:21 am

Quote from: Baggers on December 09, 2013, 11:16:29 pm

Quote from: cookie2 on December 09, 2013, 11:10:29 pm

@Baggers
Look, you've probably seen a lot more of him than I have. I have actually seen him kick a few good goals for the 1s when he looked fine and really connected. However, this does not seem to be a consistently repeatable process atm, which does suggest the problem is all in his mind.

Exactly.

I disagree. His technique is terrible. His ball drop doesn't sync with his steps, he almost drops the ball with two hands and then swings his leg from right to left through his kick.

I'm no expert MI, but doesn't good technique require strong concentration - keeping your mind on what you're trying to do? So a lapse in concentration means technique suffers. Maybe if he could maintain concentration then his kicking would be a lot better?

@MI
I hear that MI, but I was thinking more on the aspects of maintaining focus on the end result being sought, shutting out distractions and having a mental picture of the ball sailing through, to the exclusion of all other thoughts etc. etc.? Then the kicking should take care of itself in the way you describe.

Quote from: cookie2 on December 31, 2013, 04:41:11 pm

@MI
I hear that MI, but I was thinking more on the aspects of maintaining focus on the end result being sought, shutting out distractions and having a mental picture of the ball sailing through, to the exclusion of all other thoughts etc. etc.? Then the kicking should take care of itself in the way you describe.

I think the mental approach and kicking action are two separate entities. I know confidence can play a big part in a footballer's game (e.g. Henderson) but all the confidence in the world can't change a natural flaw in a player's game, and focussing on the end result before you've laid it onto your boot is the wrong way to go about it imo.

I played a round of golf on the weekend and for a long time now I've been slicing my drives. I noticed that I was bringing my hips through earlier than my arms and when I focussed on bringing my hips through later every shot was straight down the fairway. It felt unnatural and I had to have complete focus on what I was doing but that is what made the difference. I was under no external pressure what so ever. What I need to do is practice until it is a natural part of my game.

I think Levi has a similar problem to his kicking.

Quote from: MilkIt on December 31, 2013, 06:26:50 pm

Quote from: cookie2 on December 31, 2013, 04:41:11 pm

@MI
I hear that MI, but I was thinking more on the aspects of maintaining focus on the end result being sought, shutting out distractions and having a mental picture of the ball sailing through, to the exclusion of all other thoughts etc. etc.? Then the kicking should take care of itself in the way you describe.

I think the mental approach and kicking action are two separate entities. I know confidence can play a big part in a footballer's game (e.g. Henderson) but all the confidence in the world can't change a natural flaw in a player's game, and focussing on the end result before you've laid it onto your boot is the wrong way to go about it imo.

I played a round of golf on the weekend and for a long time now I've been slicing my drives. I noticed that I was bringing my hips through earlier than my arms and when I focussed on bringing my hips through later every shot was straight down the fairway. It felt unnatural and I had to have complete focus on what I was doing but that is what made the difference. I was under no external pressure what so ever. What I need to do is practice until it is a natural part of my game.

I think Levi has a similar problem to his kicking.

He could start by lowering his ball drop to just inside the earths atmosphere that'll help.
Secondly, from a fellow golf tragic it's good to hear you describe the remedy to your slicing as unnatural in what has to be the most unnatural sport on earth!

Collingwood at the forefront once again by hiring Trav Cloke a personal goal-kicking coach. Cloke's kicking is much better than it used to be...but still got improvement left. Kudos. We should be doing the same thing with Levi...he is the future of our club.

Quote from: Gozza on January 01, 2014, 01:07:09 pm

Collingwood at the forefront once again by hiring Trav Cloke a personal goal-kicking coach. Cloke's kicking is much better than it used to be...but still got improvement left. Kudos. We should be doing the same thing with Levi...he is the future of our club.

Forgive me if this is inaccurate but Cloke's kicking issues were not technique but, radar and pressure oriented were they not?

Its almost a confidence thing and still hurts him today.  Once he gets the yips he is done.

Levi's kicking is a bit like Franklins and he can be a mixed proposition even today.  The one thing i have noticed with Levi is the further out he is the more chance he is of converting which suggests that he puts more effort into his kicking from further out.  Whether or not that is the problem is a different kettle of fish.

What Cloke's problem is/was is irrelevant in my opinion. The point is, Collingwood have invested heavily in the football department to provide their key forward with the personal coaching that he needs and fix the problem. Though as I said, his kicking had improved dramatically over the last couple of years, but the Magpies saw fit the other day to hire a coach to further improve it. 
 
Levi needs one on one coaching and plenty of time dedicated to it. Anyone who has played footy here would know that pre-seasons can be dominated by running, and very little ball-use. That's fine so Levi must want to fix his kicking by putting in extra hours on the track. Someone needs to speak to him and say that 2014 could be his breakout year, and with the help of a personal coach, he can achieve it with his own determination.

Quote from: Sexybronco on December 31, 2013, 06:40:38 pm

Quote from: MilkIt on December 31, 2013, 06:26:50 pm

Quote from: cookie2 on December 31, 2013, 04:41:11 pm

@MI
I hear that MI, but I was thinking more on the aspects of maintaining focus on the end result being sought, shutting out distractions and having a mental picture of the ball sailing through, to the exclusion of all other thoughts etc. etc.? Then the kicking should take care of itself in the way you describe.

I think the mental approach and kicking action are two separate entities. I know confidence can play a big part in a footballer's game (e.g. Henderson) but all the confidence in the world can't change a natural flaw in a player's game, and focussing on the end result before you've laid it onto your boot is the wrong way to go about it imo.

I played a round of golf on the weekend and for a long time now I've been slicing my drives. I noticed that I was bringing my hips through earlier than my arms and when I focussed on bringing my hips through later every shot was straight down the fairway. It felt unnatural and I had to have complete focus on what I was doing but that is what made the difference. I was under no external pressure what so ever. What I need to do is practice until it is a natural part of my game.

I think Levi has a similar problem to his kicking.

He could start by lowering his ball drop to just inside the earths atmosphere that'll help.
Secondly, from a fellow golf tragic it's good to hear you describe the remedy to your slicing as unnatural in what has to be the most unnatural sport on earth!

'Comfortable' is probably a wiser choice of words.  Maybe Levi can swing his hips through later. It made my ball go straight.

Quote from: MilkIt on December 31, 2013, 07:09:46 pm

Quote from: Sexybronco on December 31, 2013, 06:40:38 pm

Quote from: MilkIt on December 31, 2013, 06:26:50 pm

Quote from: cookie2 on December 31, 2013, 04:41:11 pm

@MI
I hear that MI, but I was thinking more on the aspects of maintaining focus on the end result being sought, shutting out distractions and having a mental picture of the ball sailing through, to the exclusion of all other thoughts etc. etc.? Then the kicking should take care of itself in the way you describe.

I think the mental approach and kicking action are two separate entities. I know confidence can play a big part in a footballer's game (e.g. Henderson) but all the confidence in the world can't change a natural flaw in a player's game, and focussing on the end result before you've laid it onto your boot is the wrong way to go about it imo.

I played a round of golf on the weekend and for a long time now I've been slicing my drives. I noticed that I was bringing my hips through earlier than my arms and when I focussed on bringing my hips through later every shot was straight down the fairway. It felt unnatural and I had to have complete focus on what I was doing but that is what made the difference. I was under no external pressure what so ever. What I need to do is practice until it is a natural part of my game.

I think Levi has a similar problem to his kicking.

He could start by lowering his ball drop to just inside the earths atmosphere that'll help.
Secondly, from a fellow golf tragic it's good to hear you describe the remedy to your slicing as unnatural in what has to be the most unnatural sport on earth!

'Comfortable' is probably a wiser choice of words.  Maybe Levi can swing his hips through later. It made my ball go straight.

Looking at Watson's change in physique combined with the recruitment of Everitt has made Casboult surplus. I doubt he will get a gig short of the inevitable injuries to Kreuzer, Waite, Warnock or Jammo get their inevitable injuries. Even then he has to deal with Wood on the list which makes Casboult less attractive as a 2nd ruck option which I think is his best chance at a game.

Quote from: MilkIt on December 31, 2013, 07:09:46 pm

Quote from: Sexybronco on December 31, 2013, 06:40:38 pm

Quote from: MilkIt on December 31, 2013, 06:26:50 pm

Quote from: cookie2 on December 31, 2013, 04:41:11 pm

@MI
I hear that MI, but I was thinking more on the aspects of maintaining focus on the end result being sought, shutting out distractions and having a mental picture of the ball sailing through, to the exclusion of all other thoughts etc. etc.? Then the kicking should take care of itself in the way you describe.

I think the mental approach and kicking action are two separate entities. I know confidence can play a big part in a footballer's game (e.g. Henderson) but all the confidence in the world can't change a natural flaw in a player's game, and focussing on the end result before you've laid it onto your boot is the wrong way to go about it imo.

I played a round of golf on the weekend and for a long time now I've been slicing my drives. I noticed that I was bringing my hips through earlier than my arms and when I focussed on bringing my hips through later every shot was straight down the fairway. It felt unnatural and I had to have complete focus on what I was doing but that is what made the difference. I was under no external pressure what so ever. What I need to do is practice until it is a natural part of my game.

I think Levi has a similar problem to his kicking.

He could start by lowering his ball drop to just inside the earths atmosphere that'll help.
Secondly, from a fellow golf tragic it's good to hear you describe the remedy to your slicing as unnatural in what has to be the most unnatural sport on earth!

'Comfortable' is probably a wiser choice of words.  Maybe Levi can swing his hips through later. It made my ball go straight.

Looking at Watson's change in physique combined with the recruitment of Everitt has made Casboult surplus. I doubt he will get a gig short of the inevitable injuries to Kreuzer, Waite, Warnock or Jammo get their inevitable injuries. Even then he has to deal with Wood on the list which makes Casboult less attractive as a 2nd ruck option which I think is his best chance at a game.

What Cloke's problem is/was is irrelevant in my opinion. The point is, Collingwood have invested heavily in the football department to provide their key forward with the personal coaching that he needs and fix the problem. Though as I said, his kicking had improved dramatically over the last couple of years, but the Magpies saw fit the other day to hire a coach to further improve it. 
 
Levi needs one on one coaching and plenty of time dedicated to it. Anyone who has played footy here would know that pre-seasons can be dominated by running, and very little ball-use. That's fine so Levi must want to fix his kicking by putting in extra hours on the track. Someone needs to speak to him and say that 2014 could be his breakout year, and with the help of a personal coach, he can achieve it with his own determination.