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Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #105 –
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We could probably do with a kicking coach to help the new Irish boys out and Levi as well.

What do our current coaches do?

I think they would spend most of their time coaching a group. Not a whole lot of one-on one-coaching, especially on basic fundamentals of the game. The Pies identified they needed a designated kicking coach for Cloke and if Levi was to make it as a player he needs a kicking coach as well. Having one on board would also benefit the Irish blokes as an added bonus.

It's not uncommon to hire specialist coaches.

The problem with hiring a kicking coach is that the fitness staff won't let the players practice kicking  :-\
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Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #106 –
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We could probably do with a kicking coach to help the new Irish boys out and Levi as well.

What do our current coaches do?

I think they would spend most of their time coaching a group. Not a whole lot of one-on one-coaching, especially on basic fundamentals of the game. The Pies identified they needed a designated kicking coach for Cloke and if Levi was to make it as a player he needs a kicking coach as well. Having one on board would also benefit the Irish blokes as an added bonus.

It's not uncommon to hire specialist coaches.

The problem with hiring a kicking coach is that the fitness staff won't let the players practice kicking  :-\

Yeah, it's a bit annoying. That's why I was saying Levi might have to replace any ruck training with kicking practice to even it out a little. I would have him behind Kreuzer, Warnock, Wood and Rowe as ruck options anyway.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #107 –
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We could probably do with a kicking coach to help the new Irish boys out and Levi as well.

What do our current coaches do?

I think they would spend most of their time coaching a group. Not a whole lot of one-on one-coaching, especially on basic fundamentals of the game. The Pies identified they needed a designated kicking coach for Cloke and if Levi was to make it as a player he needs a kicking coach as well. Having one on board would also benefit the Irish blokes as an added bonus.

It's not uncommon to hire specialist coaches.

The problem with hiring a kicking coach is that the fitness staff won't let the players practice kicking  :-\

Yeah, it's a bit annoying. That's why I was saying Levi might have to replace any ruck training with kicking practice to even it out a little. I would have him behind Kreuzer, Warnock, Wood and Rowe as ruck options anyway.

I'd have Levi ahead of Rowe as a ruckman, but behind the 3 true ruckmen.  Still that puts him at the top of the heap as a relief ruckman if we decide to go 1 specialist ruck, or are forced to.  In any event, Levi must surely be a special case given how much an improvement in his kicking would transform him as a player.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #108 –
Strap him to a chair with his eyes pinned open and be forced to watch footage of Peter McKenna. Problem solved.  ;D

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #109 –
Simmo is an interesting one. Wonder if he can produce again this year. A lot of those skinny blokes seem to have some durability but he gets knocked around a bit!

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #110 –
Backs  Tuohy.  Jamo.  Scotland
H / b Everett  Watson Simpson
C.      Daisy  Gibbs.   Walker
H/F.   Yazz. Hendo.     Menzall
F.      Cas.   Waite.   Garlett

Kruz. Murphy McLean

Judd Robo Bell Curno

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #111 –
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Simmo is an interesting one. Wonder if he can produce again this year. A lot of those skinny blokes seem to have some durability but he gets knocked around a bit!

Thing is if you're only a slight frame and playing AFL, you've got to push yourself that extra bit to be harder and more aggressive at the ball than the others...otherwise you won't have a very long or successful career.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #112 –
I'm not sure I can agree about the lighter frame body players theory there. Fletcher is big in the body and he has busted his b@lls for years now. Will he retire before 40 or even consider it ? He was tall but small frame. SOS wasn't a huge frame but he was strong and more than capable against big forwards. Simo is our Bartel. Stop the opponent and get the ball out of defence. He does it well and hopefully for years to come.
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Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #113 –
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Backs  Tuohy.  Jamo.  Scotland
H / b Everett  Watson Simpson
C.      Daisy  Gibbs.   Walker
H/F.   Yazz. Hendo.     Menzall
F.      Cas.   Waite.   Garlett

Kruz. Murphy McLean

Judd Robo Bell Curno
My best 22 is very similar to yours
Spine is identical with Jamo, Watto, Gibbs, Hendo, Waitey
HB's' 1AW and Simmo select themselves there after their 2013 season, to put it simply they were sublime and must continue there
Back Pockets: 2E in one, give AE a go there
Wings: I'd go Robbo and Thomas
HF's: Menzell and Yazz
FF's Jeffy and Kruze
On Ball Brigage: 206, Murph and Juddy
Bench: Brock, Ed, Carrots, Doc
Unlucky Bell Army although either could slot it in easy
So for the record my round one side would be:

Everitt Jamo* 2E*
1AW* Watto* Simmo*
Robbo Gibbsy* Daisy*
Yazz* Hendo* Menzell
Jeffy* Waitey* Kruze*
206* Murph* Juddy*
Brock* Ed* Carrots* Doc

My way of thinking here is:
1. 18 players in my opinion select themselves if fit (see those with a *). Form the spine, 2 genuine rucks, the rest of the jigsaw goes together as above.
2. I think we can slot the 3 main new boys in (Thomas, Doc and AE) to infuse something new and potentially exciting.
3. Curnow gets in purely on his running power and work ethic. Same with Carrots.
4. From what I saw of Menzell last year, he oozes class. A good pre-season and he needs to be given a good go in 2014.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
 

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #114 –
Looking at the Herald Sun's best 22 for Carlton - we can potentially field a team with 17 of the 22 having over 80 games experience. Everitt would make that 18.

That's a pretty solid core and you are either in your premiership window when your list looks like this or you're still hanging onto players you should have delisted years ago.

The biggest worry for me is Watson. For him to come good it would be massive for our season, however, that just looks so unrealistic at this stage. Still only 21, 16 games experience - trouble with injuries and form and pace is a serious concern.

Can Everitt hold down CHB?

Can we field a potent forward line without Hendo and settle him at CHB for the year?

HS team:

B: Andrew Walker (27, 165 games), Michael Jamison (27, 111), Zach Tuohy (24, 54)

HB: Heath Scotland (33, 264), Matthew Watson (21, 16), Kade Simpson (29, 200)

C: Andrew Carazzo (29, 164), Brock McLean (27, 141), Bryce Gibbs (24, 155)

HF: Dale Thomas (26, 157), Lachie Henderson (23, 84), Mitch Robinson (24, 88)

F: Jeff Garlett (24, 98), Jarrad Waite (30,168), Matthew Kreuzer (24, 105)

R: Robbie Warnock (26, 70), Chris Judd (30, 259), Marc Murphy (26, 165)

INTER: Ed Curnow (24, 51), Dennis Armfield (26, 105), Tom Bell (22, 16), Chris Yarran (22, 84)


Swinging players from backline to forward line is never a recipe for success. Mick has had a year - he should be able to settle his best team for the majority of this season.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #115 –
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Looking at the Herald Sun's best 22 for Carlton - we can potentially field a team with 17 of the 22 having over 80 games experience. Everitt would make that 18.

That's a pretty solid core and you are either in your premiership window when your list looks like this or you're still hanging onto players you should have delisted years ago.

The biggest worry for me is Watson. For him to come good it would be massive for our season, however, that just looks so unrealistic at this stage. Still only 21, 16 games experience - trouble with injuries and form and pace is a serious concern.

Can Everitt hold down CHB?

Can we field a potent forward line without Hendo and settle him at CHB for the year?

HS team:

B: Andrew Walker (27, 165 games), Michael Jamison (27, 111), Zach Tuohy (24, 54)

HB: Heath Scotland (33, 264), Matthew Watson (21, 16), Kade Simpson (29, 200)

C: Andrew Carazzo (29, 164), Brock McLean (27, 141), Bryce Gibbs (24, 155)

HF: Dale Thomas (26, 157), Lachie Henderson (23, 84), Mitch Robinson (24, 88)

F: Jeff Garlett (24, 98), Jarrad Waite (30,168), Matthew Kreuzer (24, 105)

R: Robbie Warnock (26, 70), Chris Judd (30, 259), Marc Murphy (26, 165)

INTER: Ed Curnow (24, 51), Dennis Armfield (26, 105), Tom Bell (22, 16), Chris Yarran (22, 84)


Swinging players from backline to forward line is never a recipe for success. Mick has had a year - he should be able to settle his best team for the majority of this season.

I went with Watson in my 2nd team (had Jamison, Rowe and Everitt as my talls in my original which I am now going back to) but I do go back and forth re him as I am not convinced at all but feel he is also better suited up forward. Maybe as a 3rd tall at this stage but certainly to me looks more at home, free and natural there than down back. I reckon Everitt is a definite in our best 22, my best 18 anyway, and I have Docherty very much in the frame as a replacement for the likes of Simpson and Tuohy and moreso Tuohy as I would like to unleash the raging bulls in Tuohy and bell into the midfield and have a very much 'in your face' style in there (and all across the ground - at both AFL and VFL level).

Id be grooming Rowe to go down back and do a job as the 2nd key defenders after Jamison to play a Rory Thompson type role. Needs to work on fitness, movemnet and pace but he started that far back last year I reckon it was tough going. he did well. If we is to make it at AFL level it wont be as a tall forward/ruck IMHO. He is a fierce competitor and Id happily trial him at least down back to take on the monsters. add the taller roaming types as 3rd and 4th talls down back - Everitt and one other of Walker, Bootsma, White or McInnes.

Re Docherty, he may well begin the season in the VFL but would be inmy sqaud of 25 or 26 with an eye to see how he goes in the preseason games and hopefully he can take over from Tuohy as the team's no.1 small/medium defender. His foot skills are sublime as are Tuohy's.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #116 –
yarran jamison mcinnes
docherty watson walker
simpson mclean tuohy
thomas henderson carrazzo
menzel waite murphy
kruezer judd gibbs
warnock graham bell everitt

I cant fit in ellard scotland garlett cripps lucas?????  :-\ i also think temay & holman might play some good footy in 2014

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #117 –
Garlett is a walk up start imo.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #118 –
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Yes Curnow did seem to be on the improve last year and let's hope he goes on with it this year. Could become a very handy player for us if he can.

Fourth in the B&F Cookie!  The Match Committee obviously appreciated his work and I think he'll be a lock in in our best 22 this season.

A little more depth means more competition for spots and that should keep players on their toes.  It should also mean better managed workloads for our older players and the youngsters.  Perhaps even selecting players for specific roles to negate or exploit opposition players.
Called him AA prior to when he did his shoulder vs the Saints in 2012.
The stats from summer 2012/13 showed that when he was in the side, Judd played well. Says it all.

Re: Best 22 for 2014

Reply #119 –
In regards to Curnow I see him as the Carrazzo replacement to a degree, both running machines that run with the oppositions best, although I think Curnow lacks a little polish that Carrazzo has. I am a fan nonetheless, he is busts his gut every week, got to appreciate that and need more of it.

Will be interesting to see how often they play in the same side, if both available. I would prefer less tagging from Mick this year anyway, and a more play to win attitude rather than play not to lose, especially against the top sides.