Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Jean-Claude on January 09, 2014, 01:05:35 am

I feel we have beauty on our hands with Menzel. As mentioned I just think he does everything well, just a natural footballer he is, not an athlete-come-footballer. I hope gets a good run at it this year, but I also feel he needs to prove he deserves it. All things being equal he should play quite regularly this year.

Have the same feeling JC although others on here are not yet convinced about him.

yarran jamison mcinnes
docherty watson walker
simpson mclean tuohy
thomas henderson carrazzo
menzel waite murphy
kruezer judd gibbs
warnock graham bell everitt

I cant fit in ellard scotland garlett cripps lucas??  i also think temay & holman might play some good footy in 2014

Sorry, but trying to pick a best 22 in January is like judging your blind date on what her friends say about her/him.

Remember that dude we got from the Weagles (no. 22 from memory) who trained the house down, and was an on-field dud?

In fact, there is no such thing as a 'best 22'. It is a nonsense, even, to think such a thing. So limiting. There is only a thing called 'the list' from where we pick the best 22 for 'this week'.

When I look at our list I could easily imagine our best 22 to be 34 blokes. And that is close to how it should be.

Quote from: Baggers on January 09, 2014, 10:45:44 pm

Sorry, but trying to pick a best 22 in January is like judging your blind date on what her friends say about her/him.

Remember that dude we got from the Weagles (no. 22 from memory) who trained the house down, and was an on-field dud?

In fact, there is no such thing as a 'best 22'. It is a nonsense, even, to think such a thing. So limiting. There is only a thing called 'the list' from where we pick the best 22 for 'this week'.

When I look at our list I could easily imagine our best 22 to be 34 blokes. And that is close to how it should be.

Callum Chambers is the guy you were thinking of, and he was super fast hence the hype when we got him at the end of 2004.
Agree that we finally have a list with some serious depth that will hopefully allow us to challenge deep into September with a little luck.

Cop a few injuries to your best players, added with suspensions and its always going to be tough. This is why I think ratten got unfairly treated. On the other side, he got his marching orders for the wrong reasons...if anything it should have been for poor list management/shoddy recruiting.

Quote from: Sexybronco on January 10, 2014, 12:50:04 am

Quote from: Baggers on January 09, 2014, 10:45:44 pm

Sorry, but trying to pick a best 22 in January is like judging your blind date on what her friends say about her/him.

Remember that dude we got from the Weagles (no. 22 from memory) who trained the house down, and was an on-field dud?

In fact, there is no such thing as a 'best 22'. It is a nonsense, even, to think such a thing. So limiting. There is only a thing called 'the list' from where we pick the best 22 for 'this week'.

When I look at our list I could easily imagine our best 22 to be 34 blokes. And that is close to how it should be.

Callum Chambers is the guy you were thinking of, and he was super fast hence the hype when we got him at the end of 2004.
Agree that we finally have a list with some serious depth that will hopefully allow us to challenge deep into September with a little luck.

We said the same thing in 2012.

Will be interesting to see how the pro-Malthousonites react if we are poor again this year.

Quote from: Gozza on January 10, 2014, 09:15:20 am

Cop a few injuries to your best players, added with suspensions and its always going to be tough. This is why I think ratten got unfairly treated. On the other side, he got his marching orders for the wrong reasons...if anything it should have been for poor list management/shoddy recruiting.

Ratten was knifed by his playing group.  The way that they played against the Gold Coast up there was his death knell.  Had the players been united behind Ratten then fair enough, but its likely the club saw an opportunity to grab a coach who has a track record and this match was ultimately the one that cost him his job, because it was plain as day that the players were not playing for him.

Once you lose the playing group, you are dead man walking and its only a matter of time, unless the club trusts you to turn over the list (which Ratten had ample opportunity to do).  Couple that with the fact that whenever the opportunity for a player to move on came up that the opportunity was generally taken, speaks for why it was a fair enough thought process.

Quote from: Thryleon on January 10, 2014, 10:02:14 am

Quote from: Gozza on January 10, 2014, 09:15:20 am

Cop a few injuries to your best players, added with suspensions and its always going to be tough. This is why I think ratten got unfairly treated. On the other side, he got his marching orders for the wrong reasons...if anything it should have been for poor list management/shoddy recruiting.

Ratten was knifed by his playing group.  The way that they played against the Gold Coast up there was his death knell.  Had the players been united behind Ratten then fair enough, but its likely the club saw an opportunity to grab a coach who has a track record and this match was ultimately the one that cost him his job, because it was plain as day that the players were not playing for him.

Once you lose the playing group, you are dead man walking and its only a matter of time, unless the club trusts you to turn over the list (which Ratten had ample opportunity to do).  Couple that with the fact that whenever the opportunity for a player to move on came up that the opportunity was generally taken, speaks for why it was a fair enough thought process.

In that case Malthouse has lost the players as well though, there were many poor performances under him as well. I think the playing list itself is 'lost', aint nobody going to fix it. Too many blokes that have had an easy run at it, fall for their own hype and are rated way too highly for players with their shortcomings.