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He tried and then he busted his shoulder.

Quote from: Gozza on January 10, 2014, 01:43:34 pm

He tried and then he busted his shoulder.

Spot on, that's what was said to him prior to him going in for that ball and breaking his shoulder. I just don't think he's made for the tough stuff, in the few occasions he goes in hard he cops it just like the Dawks game last year.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on January 10, 2014, 01:53:33 pm

Quote from: Gozza on January 10, 2014, 01:43:34 pm

He tried and then he busted his shoulder.

Spot on, that's what was said to him prior to him going in for that ball and breaking his shoulder. I just don't think he's made for the tough stuff, in the few occasions he goes in hard he cops it just like the Dawks game last year.

The timing just keeps working against him. Maybe Cripps, Robinson and Bell need to be in the squad for the tough stuff. They are bigger so it will be executed by them with less damage to their bodies. I hope Murphy getting injured in the past doesn't make him soft though. We need a tough captain, or give his role to a player that can handle a knock or two. Not the type that breaks bones though.

Murphy was injured and couldnt run last season.....he got caught a lot and looked slow. He needs his pace back to extract himself from traffic and get away from taggers like Crowley...the latter isnt quick but beat Murphy to the ball because our man couldnt get out of second gear.
You add that injury to the pressure of being a 1st year captain and he had a season to forget.....I think he will be better in 2014 and then in 2015 I expect him to be a dominant player once Mick has the players he wants on the park and the structures worked out so Murphy can get some more easy ball and do the silky stuff that wins games.

Murphy was injured and couldnt run last season.....he got caught a lot and looked slow. He needs his pace back to extract himself from traffic and get away from taggers like Crowley...the latter isnt quick but beat Murphy to the ball because our man couldnt get out of second gear.
You add that injury to the pressure of being a 1st year captain and he had a season to forget.....I think he will be better in 2014 and then in 2015 I expect him to be a dominant player once Mick has the players he wants on the park and the structures worked out so Murphy can get some more easy ball and do the silky stuff that wins games.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on January 10, 2014, 09:15:49 pm

Murphy was injured and couldnt run last season.....he got caught a lot and looked slow. He needs his pace back to extract himself from traffic and get away from taggers like Crowley...the latter isnt quick but beat Murphy to the ball because our man couldnt get out of second gear.
You add that injury to the pressure of being a 1st year captain and he had a season to forget.....I think he will be better in 2014 and then in 2015 I expect him to be a dominant player once Mick has the players he wants on the park and the structures worked out so Murphy can get some more easy ball and do the silky stuff that wins games.

But he does get the easy ball, what I'm talking about his putting his body on the line when he has to (mandatory regardless of skill and size), tackling with intent and at least being accountable for his man when inside defensive 50. Sorry Elwood, I think you're a very smart bloke and rate your opinion but it is certainly NOT about getting more easy ball to Murphy. It's about being more accountable as a team and then mean EVERY player is accountable whether they're numero uno or number 38 on the list.

I agree re Yarran as well, I think Yarran in full flight though is a better player than Murphy and when Yarran plays down back he is accountable for a man.

I don't think you can win a premiership with players like Murphy playing the way he does.

I agree re Yarran as well, I think Yarran in full flight though is a better player than Murphy and when Yarran plays down back he is accountable for a man.

I don't think you can win a premiership with players like Murphy playing the way he does.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on January 13, 2014, 10:26:36 am

I agree re Yarran as well, I think Yarran in full flight though is a better player than Murphy and when Yarran plays down back he is accountable for a man.

I don't think you can win a premiership with players like Murphy playing the way he does.

Sorry Carrots, this stinks of bias.

Murphy wins much more contested footy than Yarran does, and has done for longer.  Yarran is more skilled, and faster when he extracts the digit, but you calling him an easy ball receiver is a crock.

Contested posessions are generally what Murphy is all about.  The fact that he is shutdown and then has to run an opponent into the ground is why you might perceive him winning easy ball, but I dont think Murphy has ever had the luxury of winning easy ball.  He has played with a tagger since we recruited him as our midfield has generally been rubbish the whole time he has played for us.

As for Yarran being accountable for a man, when he goes on a run, who do you think sits on his opponent?  He cant be in two places at once, and someone else has to cover for him.  Nothing wrong with that by the way, its how I expect our unit to work, but you cant call him accountable.  When its time to think of someone to shut down a good small forward, Chris Yarran is not the name you think of for that task.  Nothing wrong with that.

You asked a question about who his equivalent is at Geelong, and the name Jimmy Bartel comes to mind.

The more I think about it the more I like the pickup of Everitt. A bit bigger than your usual third tall and not quite key position but should cover opposition third talls comfortably and could play 2nd tall against smaller forward lines. Ironically he is actually taller than Jamison by one cm I think.

Not to mention being able to push up on a wing or swing forward. Offers great versatility.