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Title: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: crashlander on June 05, 2017, 11:27:42 am
Time to conisder this week's game: we are 2nd bottom and GWS are on top for the first time, but we are a LONG way from being out of the contest. GWS have not been winning by much and appear ripe for a loss. We, on the other hand, are ripe for a win! :) :)

Seriously, we should be flogged. GWS have the skills we lack and deserve to be on top at the moment. But I am not sure we are going to be flogged. But we DO have to put in 4 quarters.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: madbluboy on June 05, 2017, 01:16:24 pm
10 goal loss minimum.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: pinot on June 05, 2017, 03:31:37 pm
Our boys crack in all game - get tired in last quarter regularly unfortunately

Our defence is super good - our dysfunctional forward line is a problem and hope Harry makes an introduction here as I don't rate GWS tall defenders.

Cripps, Gibbs, Curnow, Graham get good contested numbers and tackles.. just when we move it forward is the problem and hopefully Harry can make an intro to the AFL world.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Lods on June 05, 2017, 03:36:20 pm
GWS have struggled at Etihad this year ;D
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Bear on June 05, 2017, 03:43:36 pm
Could easily be a blow out... hopefully GWS are thinking about their week off and going on a massive bender in Melbourne post match.

And can we at least try and tag Josh Kelly.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: cookie2 on June 05, 2017, 04:41:43 pm
Bring our very very best as well as plenty of G and D and we could get close, but..........?
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: kruddler on June 05, 2017, 06:32:47 pm
A week or 2 ago they were forced to play a half-injured stevie j because they couldn't find a half-fit body to replace him.
Not sure how many blokes they've got back since, but i can guarantee that their injury list is a lot larger than ours.

Who knows. This week might be the best week of the year to face them.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 05, 2017, 09:23:44 pm
GWS play pretty footy and we have to make it tough hard and be physical.....dump Mummy on his fat ar$e too and dont get intimidated by him. The player who is their real leader is Callum Ward IMO, without him Kelly, Scully, Shiel and co will have to get their hands dirtier and I reckon nullifying Ward is a key factor.
They will start odds on favs but I reckon we can take it up to them...maybe a player like Armfield could be a suitable in this week, pacy, good tackler and can kick a goal if
a smart ar$e big headed GWS backman like Heath Shaw doesnt man up and kick chases instead..

Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: mateinone on June 05, 2017, 09:31:00 pm
I agree with playing this game tough.
There should be a number on the board at Carlton, 120 tackles.

If 120 tackles are not laid then the footy gets put away this week and all of their work is high intensity drills such as suicides etc that leave them needing to throw up, to remind them how to push our boundaries.

We don't have to win this game, but we must make them hurt, we must put a body on them and we must frustrate the crap out of them. It doesn't have to be dirty, but when you run past a player, put a body on them, when you are a stoppage .. put a body on them.

GWS has more skill and they have more speed, but there is no reason why our club can't have more guts and determination.

If Carlton walk off the ground beaten against GWS but you can see just how hard each player went, then as a supporter that is going to be enough to please me, that is going to show me that they know how to work when the chips our down, they know how to never, ever give up.

Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Amers on June 05, 2017, 11:35:51 pm
You've nailed it MIO, i agree 120%!
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Inboltswetrust on June 06, 2017, 12:08:15 pm
I agree with playing this game tough.
There should be a number on the board at Carlton, 120 tackles.

If 120 tackles are not laid then the footy gets put away this week and all of their work is high intensity drills such as suicides etc that leave them needing to throw up, to remind them how to push our boundaries.

We don't have to win this game, but we must make them hurt, we must put a body on them and we must frustrate the crap out of them. It doesn't have to be dirty, but when you run past a player, put a body on them, when you are a stoppage .. put a body on them.

GWS has more skill and they have more speed, but there is no reason why our club can't have more guts and determination.

If Carlton walk off the ground beaten against GWS but you can see just how hard each player went, then as a supporter that is going to be enough to please me, that is going to show me that they know how to work when the chips our down, they know how to never, ever give up.

hear hear!  I totally agree.  Actually I think we could even give these clowns a run for their money if we attack the contest like there is no tomorrow.  If we don't then we should be ashamed of ourselves.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Pratty on June 06, 2017, 02:58:16 pm
GWS play pretty footy and we have to make it tough hard and be physical.....dump Mummy on his fat ar$e too and dont get intimidated by him. The player who is their real leader is Callum Ward IMO, without him Kelly, Scully, Shiel and co will have to get their hands dirtier and I reckon nullifying Ward is a key factor.
They will start odds on favs but I reckon we can take it up to them...maybe a player like Armfield could be a suitable in this week, pacy, good tackler and can kick a goal if
a smart ar$e big headed GWS backman like Heath Shaw doesnt man up and kick chases instead..

Wright, Palmer and SPS to running backs in Heaf Shaw, Nafe Wilson and Zac Williams
Ed Curnow to tag Josh Kelly
Gibbs to Callum Ward
Docherty to a wing v Tom Scully - make Scull accountable
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: flyboy77 on June 07, 2017, 08:03:51 am
Some talent (and pace) missing from the park.....even if Lobb, for example, gets up he'd surely be well underdone...?


Brett Deledio   Calf   TBC
Steve Johnson   Knee   Test
Rory Lobb   Groin   Test
Jacob Hopper   Finger   2-3 weeks
Will Setterfield   Ankle   2-3 weeks
Nick Haynes   Hamstring   2-3 weeks
Devon Smith   Knee   4 weeks
Stephen Coniglio   Ankle   8 weeks
Ryan Griffen   Ankle   12 weeks
Matt Buntine   Knee   Season
Adam Kennedy   Knee   Season
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Pratty on June 07, 2017, 09:51:29 am
Down back on their tall forwards-

A.Silvagni to Cameron
Jones to Patton
Marchbank to Lobb

Plowman to Greene
Williamson to Taranto
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Swan43 on June 07, 2017, 10:43:00 pm
hear hear!  I totally agree.  Actually I think we could even give these clowns a run for their money if we attack the contest like there is no tomorrow.  If we don't then we should be ashamed of ourselves.
What chance our ex-GWS boys will want to prove a point?
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on June 08, 2017, 09:29:52 am
What chance our ex-GWS boys will want to prove a point?

They are good but they aren't that good.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: crashlander on June 08, 2017, 12:50:15 pm
Has anyone noticed the total lack of media time we've had this week? Granted we are not expected to win, but we haven't been expected to win all year. Nothing about the former GWS boys. Just a black hole.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on June 08, 2017, 02:34:33 pm
Has anyone noticed the total lack of media time we've had this week? Granted we are not expected to win, but we haven't been expected to win all year. Nothing about the former GWS boys. Just a black hole.

I've noticed this as well, we seem to have locked down our media department.

FWIW, CheatsFC have featured on every news broadcast with The ChemiCoach doing more interviews than Graham Norton.

Even at our last home game, Carlton v Norp, they spent 75% of the time discussing Norp.

btw., Given our current level of success, is this a good or bad thing?
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: sydneybluesfan on June 08, 2017, 03:03:08 pm
Our big chance is that we jump them early with extreme pressure. Hopefully they turn up with their minds already on their week off!! We might just be freshened up from the break, while they are hanging out for theirs, and hoping for an easy game.

Our last 3 games against these guys have been terrible - we have scored 50 odd each time to 120-130. They are a good team, but they have only just beaten Pies and Bombers who we beat, so I pray we can keep them in check early.

We need to match their midfield run and depth and put pressure on them there. I would bring in 2 of Smedts, Boek or Kerridge, and give McCreadie and Fisher a spell - just to give us guys who can put in a 4 quarter hard running effort and give us some transitional options coming out of the backline. Also allows Wright to play forward more where he is most useful.

I would also bring in big H for a debut game. Put Willo on Toby for the day for his education.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on June 08, 2017, 03:06:04 pm
If fit I highly expect Daisy to be back and Jones to come in.

Jones is tall enough, strong enough, mobile enough and fast enough to be a real issue for the GWS forwards.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: laj on June 08, 2017, 06:37:51 pm
CARLTON

B Tom Williamson , Alex Silvagni , Jacob Weitering
HB Kade Simpson , Lachie Plowman , Caleb Marchbank
C Sam Docherty , Patrick Cripps , David Cuningham
HF Ed Curnow , Jack Silvagni , Charlie Curnow
F Zac Fisher , Levi Casboult , Matthew Wright
FOL Matthew Kreuzer , Bryce Gibbs , Marc Murphy
I/C Nick Graham , Jed Lamb , Liam Jones , Sam Petrevski-Seton , Liam Sumner , Billie Smedts , Dale Thomas
IN
Jed Lamb , Liam Jones , Billie Smedts , Dale Thomas
OUT
Harrison Macreadie (Omitted)
MILESTONES: Lachie Plowman - Playing 50th game, Matthew Kreuzer - Playing 150th game


GWS GIANTS

B Phil Davis, Aidan Corr, Nathan Wilson
HB Zac Williams, Adam Tomlinson, Heath Shaw
C Tom Scully, Callan Ward, Lachie Whitfield
HF Toby Greene, Jeremy Cameron, Matt de Boer
F Sam J. Reid, Jonathon Patton, Matthew Kennedy
FOL Shane Mumford, Josh Kelly, Dylan Shiel
I/C Harry Perryman, Dawson Simpson, Tim Taranto, Daniel Lloyd, Harrison Himmelberg, Steve Johnson, Jeremy Finlayson
IN
Dawson Simpson, Steve Johnson, Jeremy Finlayson
NEW
Dawson Simpson, Jeremy Finlayson
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Professer E on June 08, 2017, 06:47:25 pm
Dont like those ins.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: DJC on June 08, 2017, 07:01:40 pm
I didn't think I'd ever be pleased to see Liam Jones as an "in" but I'm more than pleased, I'm excited  :)

I hope he gets a run and is under instructions to crunch every GWS player that gets in range.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: sandsmere on June 08, 2017, 07:23:27 pm
I reckon Graham, Jones, SPS, and either Thomas or Smedts will fill the bench.

Not a bad side.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: laj on June 08, 2017, 08:10:09 pm
Dont like those ins.

Some of the "ins" won't be "ins" though after 3 drop out.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Professer E on June 08, 2017, 09:09:13 pm
Agreed, joke ins, my grannie has more exposed form than Jed Lamb.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: crashlander on June 08, 2017, 09:14:49 pm
If it were me, I would not be playing Lamb or Sumner and I'd be pretty dubious about Daisy Thomas. I'd have brought him back via the VFL after his concussion. But....
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on June 09, 2017, 08:21:19 am
Agreed, joke ins, my grannie has more exposed form than Jed Lamb.

Actually he wasn't too bad in the VFL last game, but his run of good form is one game which seems odd given how long it's taken for Jones to get a gig!

Perhaps this selection is papering over some injury concerns.

I think Murphy hasn't looked right for a couple of weeks now, a week off is not always a good thing for old blokes with injuries, sometimes they seize up! :o

Weitering and Plowman both look to be sore and are struggling for form.

Anyway, those four ins need their chance, the two Ciaran's will be putting the heat of plenty of them in the coming weeks. Watch this space!
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: laj on June 09, 2017, 05:12:36 pm
Final Carlton's team to face GWS:

Backs   31. Tom Williamson   44. Alex Silvagni   23. Jacob Weitering
Half-backs   6. Kade Simpson   20. Lachie Plowman   22. Caleb Marchbank
Centreline   15. Sam Docherty   9. Patrick Cripps   28. David Cuningham
Half-forwards   35. Ed Curnow   1. Jack Silvagni   30. Charlie Curnow
Forwards   25. Zac Fisher   41. Levi Casboult   46. Matthew Wright
Followers   8. Matthew Kreuzer   4. Bryce Gibbs   3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange   39. Dale Thomas   13. Jed Lamb   14. Liam Jones
    19. Liam Sumner       
Emergencies   32. Nick Graham    16. Billie Smedts   5. Samo Petrevski-Seton
In: Thomas, Jones, Lamb

Out: Macreadie (omitted), Petrevski-Seton (managed), Graham (omitted)

Milestones: Kreuzer - 150 games, Plowman - 50 games
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Baggers on June 09, 2017, 05:32:09 pm
Good move giving Samo a rest.

Reckon Lamb & Sumner got the nod over Graham owing to speed over the grass and fronting up to their previous club. NG has worked hard but that lack of pace does hurt him, his disposal has improved though he did commit a horrible clanger against the Kangabies. Lamb does bring a little mongrel as well which we like.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: cookie2 on June 09, 2017, 05:42:16 pm
Along came Jones! Looking forward to seeing him.????
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: kruddler on June 09, 2017, 06:16:11 pm
Good move giving Samo a rest.

Reckon Lamb & Sumner got the nod over Graham owing to speed over the grass and fronting up to their previous club. NG has worked hard but that lack of pace does hurt him, his disposal has improved though he did commit a horrible clanger against the Kangabies. Lamb does bring a little mongrel as well which we like.

Both in against the old side. Maybe some inside info to help? Or some extra motivation?
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: RiverRat on June 09, 2017, 06:23:32 pm
Good move giving Samo a rest.

Reckon Lamb & Sumner got the nod over Graham owing to speed over the grass and fronting up to their previous club. NG has worked hard but that lack of pace does hurt him, his disposal has improved though he did commit a horrible clanger against the Kangabies. Lamb does bring a little mongrel as well which we like.

I doubt that Lamb has any edge over Graham in the speed department but Graham has been more effective at the more spacious MCG.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Professer E on June 09, 2017, 06:24:26 pm
How Thomas and Lamb get a game is beyond my understanding.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: BluePhantom on June 09, 2017, 06:34:35 pm
Still have to double take and kick myself seeing Silvagni written twice. Might be thrice times soon. ;D
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 09, 2017, 06:40:49 pm
How Thomas and Lamb get a game is beyond my understanding.

x2...reckon that is the end for Nick Graham too....
Lamb might provide a bit more goalkicking ability as he does kick straight but vs GWS you need plenty of midfielders to rotate, reckon that means Wright up the ground more and maybe Lamb
down playing the FP role...
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: cookie2 on June 09, 2017, 07:16:01 pm
x2...reckon that is the end for Nick Graham too....
Lamb might provide a bit more goalkicking ability as he does kick straight but vs GWS you need plenty of midfielders to rotate, reckon that means Wright up the ground more and maybe Lamb
down playing the FP role...

Part of the sorting out process I guess? Final chances before decisions are made.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: DJC on June 09, 2017, 08:13:32 pm
Good move giving Samo a rest.

Reckon Lamb & Sumner got the nod over Graham owing to speed over the grass and fronting up to their previous club. NG has worked hard but that lack of pace does hurt him, his disposal has improved though he did commit a horrible clanger against the Kangabies. Lamb does bring a little mongrel as well which we like.

Would that be a Cavoodle or Labradoodle Baggers?

I'm just a little concerned that we have both Lamb and Sumner in the 22.  Happy to be proved wrong as always.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LP on June 09, 2017, 08:23:29 pm
x2...reckon that is the end for Nick Graham too....
Lamb might provide a bit more goalkicking ability as he does kick straight but vs GWS you need plenty of midfielders to rotate, reckon that means Wright up the ground more and maybe Lamb
down playing the FP role...

It may be the reverse EB1.

Lamb's last game at the NBs he seemed to spend a fair amount of time behind the ball rotating on-ball. It could be freeing Wright up to stay forward, we know clubs have dragged Wright away from goal in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LoveNavy on June 09, 2017, 08:57:27 pm
Congratulations to big Kruez and Lachie Plowman.
Hope the boys give their all making for a memorable milestone event.

All the best to the Jones boy and Jed Lamb. Make this game your own fellas and give the selectors a headache.

Go new Blues
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 09, 2017, 09:18:14 pm
Has anyone noticed the total lack of media time we've had this week? Granted we are not expected to win, but we haven't been expected to win all year. Nothing about the former GWS boys. Just a black hole.
Just the way I like it, low key lead up, turn up and knock off the league leader and flag favourites.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: LoveNavy on June 09, 2017, 09:24:07 pm
Just the way I like it, low key lead up, turn up and knock off the league leader and flag favourites.

Fair chance for sure. I've tipped Giants, so we're in with a chance according to my 2017 tipping stats :P
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre Game Premonitions: Carlton vs GWS
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 11, 2017, 01:14:57 pm
It may be the reverse EB1.

Lamb's last game at the NBs he seemed to spend a fair amount of time behind the ball rotating on-ball. It could be freeing Wright up to stay forward, we know clubs have dragged Wright away from goal in recent weeks.

LP..Hope so..I like Wright near goal more often as he kicks straighter than most...