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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #225 –
Quote from: LP on
So in summary, the statisticians have no idea who the ruck was tapping it to, but a team-mate got it.

The odd shaped oval ball can bounce sideways, or zig zag like a slinky on cocaine, and it's advantage.

The sweeper can do as the name says and clean the pill from a stumbling team-mate, and it's a win.

All to the great credit of the rucks, I never realised the statisticians were mind readers!

I'm sorry Kruddler, I realise you've invested a lot of time and effort in and based on the Hitout to Advantage stuff, but it's largely a stat invented by someone who has no fecking idea of ruck play or stoppages. We can rename it "The Mystery Stat" or perhaps "The Houdini", because nobody has any idea what happened!

In summary, you've lost the argument and resorting to nonsense to back you up.

If you cannot work out what 'to advantage' means, then we should give you a footy jumper and ship you out as part of the best 22, because it appears they do not understand that either.

If however, you are like 99% of football watchers, including statisticians, you understand exactly what that means.

Even umpires no what 'an advantage' is....and we can all agree they know nothing about football generally. ;)

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #226 –
Pit gives effort but tonight proved again he has no idea at all.  Gives away dumb frees is so clumsy and once the tap is over we are playing a man down as the bloke has no clue He wouldn’t get a game in any of the top 8 teams.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #227 –
Quote from: shawny on
Pit gives effort but tonight proved again he has no idea at all.  Gives away dumb frees is so clumsy and once the tap is over we are playing a man down as the bloke has no clue He wouldn’t get a game in any of the top 8 teams.
his dumb frees weren't even there tonight.

Not sure what the umpires see.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #228 –
Quote from: shawny on
Pit gives effort but tonight proved again he has no idea at all.  Gives away dumb frees is so clumsy and once the tap is over we are playing a man down as the bloke has no clue He wouldn’t get a game in any of the top 8 teams.

I think it proves the umps had no idea.

I think they felt bad for Pittonet whipping Big O so badly. Another 15 hitouts to advantage from his 48 hitouts.
TBH, i was surprised it was that many tonight.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #229 –
Quote from: kruddler on
I think it proves the umps had no idea.

I think they felt bad for Pittonet whipping Big O so badly. Another 15 hitouts to advantage from his 48 hitouts.
TBH, i was surprised it was that many tonight.
There it is, the hard evidence of how bogus that stat really is!
The Force Awakens!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #230 –
Yep I watched the ruck very closely last night on TV and Pittonet didnt have any impact, his opponent did. The ruck stats are meaningless.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
 

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #231 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Yep I watched the ruck very closely last night on TV and Pittonet didnt have any impact, his opponent did. The ruck stats are meaningless.
AFL Fantasy points
Pitto 87
OMac 85
Pitto was probably one of the few who could hold his head up high.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #232 –
Pitto wasn't too bad, his game last night highlights why we need him and TDK playing and in form, Pitto as it showed is your D50 type ruck, he gets behind play and takes some nice defensive marks, he forces teams to play around him. He clearly knows where to be and when. But he offers little in terms of attack in F50, and he is not ultra-mobile. As for the stats, we can all see how rubbish they are, 15 Hitouts to Advantage would mean utter dominance, if advantage meant what we think it means. McInerney comfortable won the contest last night, and when Young and SoJ came into the ruck it only cost us any momentum we had gained. Some tough calls coming, fans are not going to like it!

Kennedy was very good, he's come into form so he should be starting not bench warming.

Cerra was good, probably our only 4-Qtr Mid.

McGovern was good, our best defender for 4-Qtrs, Saad started well but faded, terms that lock down hard on his left foot basically smother his effectiveness.

I think last night highlighted that Honey, Motlop and Durdin as a trio are miles off the pace, the contrast between the pill hitting the deck in the Lions F50 versus our F50 can't get more definitive. I concede Cameron is currently the best of the best, but we should have some impact in contests, not just be the recipients of Joe the Goose. Young Motlop has had a taste of AFL, but at the moment his tank is still not good enough, he isn't a natural born hunter of the footy, when we lose the pill it's not his first instinct to chase.

Finally, it's self-evident ball use cost us, we panicked, I even noted Cripps telling the boys to calm down at half time. By calm down I assume Cripps means take some time, draw the tackler and make clean use of the pill when the opportunity arises. On the drawing the tackler, that means being prepared to be tackled, no hot potato footy!
The Force Awakens!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #234 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Supercoach which is a far better measure.

Omac 110
Pitt 78
Pitto wasn't bad, but to somehow claim it was a nil-all draw or even more bizarrely in favour of Pitto is somewhat laughable.
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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #235 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Supercoach which is a far better measure.

Omac 110
Pitt 78

Pitto loses lots of points for his 4 frees against.
Omac gets some points for his 4 frees for

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #236 –
He was smashed
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #237 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
He was smashed

He tries hard pitto no doubt but head is empty and as I said after the tap work is over we play a man down as he does sfa around the ground.

Any big man has to be useful around the ground which as the ruck craft is slowly dying it’s more important then even to be able to be a danger resting forward be able to be a kick out target or fill a defensive hole when needed. Pitto is not able to do any of that hence why all the hype on a player like TDK as he has that potential but as yet hasn’t fully come on. Still a lot more upside with tdk imo.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #238 –
Quote from: shawny on
He tries hard pitto no doubt but head is empty and as I said after the tap work is over we play a man down as he does sfa around the ground.

Any big man has to be useful around the ground which as the ruck craft is slowly dying it’s more important then even to be able to be a danger resting forward be able to be a kick out target or fill a defensive hole when needed. Pitto is not able to do any of that hence why all the hype on a player like TDK as he has that potential but as yet hasn’t fully come on. Still a lot more upside with tdk imo.

Watch Pitto around the ground. No, he doesn't go forward, that is by design. We are super tall already with Charlie, Harry, Jack (TDK when he is playing) we don't need Pitto bringing the oppositions tallest player down there as well.

Instead, he plays more in the defensive half. He took a couple big grabs last night - 2 contested marks. =2nd most on the ground, =1st for Carlton.
His positioning forces oppositions to kick away from him though, which is important, but overlooked.

I've already conceded he didn't play his best game as was surprised of his domination in the ruck, but people consistently overlook his efforts.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #239 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Watch Pitto around the ground. No, he doesn't go forward, that is by design. We are super tall already with Charlie, Harry, Jack (TDK when he is playing) we don't need Pitto bringing the oppositions tallest player down there as well.

Instead, he plays more in the defensive half. He took a couple big grabs last night - 2 contested marks. =2nd most on the ground, =1st for Carlton.
His positioning forces oppositions to kick away from him though, which is important, but overlooked.

I've already conceded he didn't play his best game as was surprised of his domination in the ruck, but people consistently overlook his efforts.

I said he gives effort and is decent at tapwork but you defend him like he is Polly farmer.

Like I said he wouldn’t be first ruck in any of the better teams