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Title: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 09, 2024, 09:55:55 pm
We play the meat pies this Sunday 14:05 at Ikon Park.

Interested to see what sort of line-up we can manage to field. Not many senior players remaining.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 11, 2024, 08:29:51 pm
No line-up yet. :(
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 12, 2024, 08:52:16 pm
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1712903155708-png.1957162)
No Cincotta, no Big Durds. :(
From the VFL lads, Ned Cahill is a big in. Kristian Ferranato named for his first game for us as well at 206 cm Flynn Riley.
Darcy Hogg is an emergency.
10 AFL blues named, but that includes Akuei, Monahan and Harry Lemmey.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 14, 2024, 09:40:02 am
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1712903155708-png.1957162/ (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/attachments/1712903155708-png.1957162/)
The image didn't come out. Try this: a link to today's line-up. You will note that there is no Marchbank and now Pitto isn't there. Cupboard looking quite bare. :(
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 14, 2024, 02:39:53 pm
Blues 2.4
Dagpies 3.3
Qtr time.

Pity Cincotta and big Durds aren't out there.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 14, 2024, 03:21:00 pm
Blues   5.6
Dagpies  4.7
Half Time.
Very entertaining game. Both sides really going for it.

Likes:  Binns, Cowan, Moir, O'Keefe, Young. Monahan coming along nicely.

Sorry, but Dom A. just not up to it.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Lods on April 14, 2024, 03:53:51 pm
Lemmey playing as a key defender
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2024, 04:11:11 pm
Lemmey playing as a key defender
I like that, have a look at him from another angle. Teach him something else.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 14, 2024, 04:15:29 pm
Lemmey playing as a key defender

...and doing okay. Has done some good things, hasn't looked out of place.

Blues      9.9
Dagpies  9.8

Dagpies came out strong after half time and opened up a 2 goal lead - the biggest of the game. 11 lead changes. Very entertaining game.

Pain in the clacker to watch... I've got the sound through the AFL link and picture through Edge! Through the AFL link (Firefox is my default browser) it is stop start buffering, whereas through Edge the picture is good but runs a little slow... running both browsers together fixes the Edge slowness!

Go Blues!
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 14, 2024, 04:18:09 pm
Dom Akuei has 2 possessions up to 3/4 time. :( He's gone backwards, as there were times last year when he looked like he had promise.
Sorry to see Billy Wilson off injured: probably concussed. :((
7 possessions to Moir, but he has been in it. A long way to go, alas.

Monahan hasn't done a lot: he's very much learning the caper.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2024, 04:20:43 pm
Dom Akuei has 2 possessions up to 3/4 time. :( He's gone backwards, as there were times last year when he looked like he had promise.
Sorry to see Billy Wilson off injured: probably concussed. :((
7 possessions to Moir, but he has been in it. A long way to go, alas.

Monahan hasn't done a lot: he's very much learning the caper.
Moir has been moved to the backline to cover for the loss of Akuei.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 14, 2024, 04:21:02 pm
We're 2 down in the final qtr with Billy W and Dom Ak both off under concussion protocols.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2024, 04:21:51 pm
...and doing okay. Has done some good things, hasn't looked out of place.

Blues      9.9
Dagpies  9.8

Dagpies came out strong after half time and opened up a 2 goal lead - the biggest of the game. 11 lead changes. Very entertaining game.

Pain in the clacker to watch... I've got the sound through the AFL link and picture through Edge! Through the AFL link (Firefox is my default browser) it is stop start buffering, whereas through Edge the picture is good but runs a little slow... running both browsers together fixes the Edge slowness!

Go Blues!
Its on CH7 in HD
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2024, 04:23:53 pm
Early in the 4th and HOK looks gassed.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Lods on April 14, 2024, 04:24:45 pm
Its on CH7 in HD

I'm streaming it through 7plus
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 14, 2024, 04:32:00 pm
Could be tough now for us, Dagpies out to 16 pts and playing a whisker better.

Lemmey to defence is a good project. Found himself out of position a few times.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2024, 04:36:11 pm
VFL players doing the bulk of the work ATM.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2024, 04:37:43 pm
Lord Nelson puts the Blues in front
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: laj on April 14, 2024, 04:38:28 pm
We're winning again.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 14, 2024, 04:38:44 pm
Could be tough now for us, Dagpies out to 16 pts and playing a whisker better.

Lemmey to defence is a good project. Found himself out of position a few times.

Well you've got googie on your face, eh, Baggers.  :-[
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2024, 04:49:41 pm
Moir looks to have a strapped hammy.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Baggers on April 14, 2024, 04:50:16 pm
Drats.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: laj on April 14, 2024, 04:50:22 pm
Could not get their hands on the ball at all those last few minutes.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: crashlander on April 14, 2024, 05:08:34 pm
Lost by a point. With the talent we had out there today, that was a pretty good effort.

Sowans and Binns had 22 possessions, Binns only 7 after half time. Second game in a row he has run out of juice in the second half.
Lewis Young has probably played himself into a senior spot: his best game in a while.
O'Keefe has a long way to go, but he tried hard in the ruck. He needs to put on about ten kg of muscles and work on his tank. Other parts of his game show promise.
Lemmey is still very much a work in progress. He wasn't bad as a defender, but he doesn't have the attack on the ball that I want to see.
Monahan didn't have much impact: I'd be trying him in a slightly different role, where he can run around a bit and use his athleticism.
Dom Akuei is cooked.
Moir is some way off and may be injured.
Billy Wilson going off cost us about 20 extra possessions; the guy has pace and can kick with depth. We really missed him.

Not enough talent on the park, and there will be less next week. Not many senior list Blues at all and we're on TV again.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Blue Moon on April 14, 2024, 05:22:44 pm
Any reasons given why Cincotta didn't play?
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: pinot on April 14, 2024, 05:28:28 pm
Cowan had his best game in VFL which is good to see.
He will get a game next week. Missing quality young AFL listed mids.. Campo boys should clear that up next season.
Moir has started his career slowly... Lemmey is showing something in Defence where Sam Durdin time could be up and Young may have received interest for his services maybe.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 14, 2024, 06:02:49 pm
Cowan had his best game in VFL which is good to see.
He will get a game next week. Missing quality young AFL listed mids.. Campo boys should clear that up next season.
Moir has started his career slowly... Lemmey is showing something in Defence where Sam Durdin time could be up and Young may have received interest for his services maybe.
Campo boys are very lightly built, reckon the club might hold them back a bit, probably need to get a readymade mid or two.
Going off on a tangent here but there are a few players likely to be available on the market....eg interesting selection of names from Nick Austins old club the Dogs he would know well...Bailey Smith, Caleb Daniel and Jack McRae who I think will find new homes...Florent from the Swans and Ainsworth from GC are players I would look at as free agents along with Hayward who has been mentioned.
McCluggage and Berry from Brisbane will re-sign imo as they are a bit of a package deal, a player who I like and is less high profile is Blake Hardwick from the Hawks and would be less money given we are going to be a bit tight in the cap.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2024, 06:12:07 pm
I watched from the 15min mark of the 3rd qtr onwards. From what I saw, Young is the only senior listed player who showed anything worth considering for senior selection. As I said earlier, the fascination with Binns is astounding, the kid is miles off as is Moir. We know Cowan can play, we saw it last year so based on his first half he may get a gig. Cincotta will come for sure unless he is injured.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 14, 2024, 06:35:36 pm
I watched from the 15min mark of the 3rd qtr onwards. From what I saw, Young is the only senior listed player who showed anything worth considering for senior selection. As I said earlier, the fascination with Binns is astounding, the kid is miles off as is Moir. We know Cowan can play, we saw it last year so based on his first half he may get a gig. Cincotta will come for sure unless he is injured.
Fair points GTC...agree on Young, id be picking Binns based more on last seasons form and previous games this season rather than today where he was ok in the 1st half but quiet after that.
Moir is one who I think will play better in the seniors than the VFL but he looks injured, I wouldnt pick Cowan on form and it would only be on potential, prefer Cincotta especially vs GWS who are playing a strong disciplined brand under Kingsley and as I said in another post I wouldnt want too many novice players in the one team.
With all our injuries we look a bit thin for replacements and our depth not so deep.....
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 14, 2024, 07:24:06 pm
Fair points GTC...agree on Young, id be picking Binns based more on last seasons form and previous games this season rather than today where he was ok in the 1st half but quiet after that.
Moir is one who I think will play better in the seniors than the VFL but he looks injured, I wouldnt pick Cowan on form and it would only be on potential, prefer Cincotta especially vs GWS who are playing a strong disciplined brand under Kingsley and as I said in another post I wouldnt want too many novice players in the one team.
With all our injuries we look a bit thin for replacements and our depth not so deep.....
EB Binns just look too small (thin) to me and doesn't look like he can go 4 qtrs at AFL level (we know AFL is quite a step up in pace than VFL).
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: RiverRat on April 15, 2024, 12:00:45 am

Lemmey is still very much a work in progress. He wasn't bad as a defender, but he doesn't have the attack on the ball that I want to see.

Dom Akuei is cooked.


Akuei has speed and a big leap plus the skinniest calves in the VFL but I have yet to see much in the way of football talent.

Lemmey has a decent pair of hands if he has a clear run at the ball and doesn't have to manoeuvre; he also seems somewhat lacking beneath his knees - despite the commentators remarks, I have not yet been impressed.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 15, 2024, 02:42:09 pm
Akuei has speed and a big leap plus the skinniest calves in the VFL but I have yet to see much in the way of football talent.

Lemmey has a decent pair of hands if he has a clear run at the ball and doesn't have to manoeuvre; he also seems somewhat lacking beneath his knees - despite the commentators remarks, I have not yet been impressed.
Tend to agree on Lemmey, he should be doing better given he had some senior SANFL experience and seems very mark and kick but not much else. He could be a player who needs a taste of senior footy to take the next step and VFL footy may just see him plod along at that lesser standard without challenging himself too much.
Id like to see him run on the ball a bit more in the ruck and get more involved....Okeefe is a good blue collar kid but is another who seems to be showing little improvement after a good start last season.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: kruddler on April 15, 2024, 03:01:36 pm
Tend to agree on Lemmey, he should be doing better given he had some senior SANFL experience and seems very mark and kick but not much else. He could be a player who needs a taste of senior footy to take the next step and VFL footy may just see him plod along at that lesser standard without challenging himself too much.
Id like to see him run on the ball a bit more in the ruck and get more involved....Okeefe is a good blue collar kid but is another who seems to be showing little improvement after a good start last season.

So, we could, be going back to the draft to chase some genuine KP players for the future. Something we should've been doing for years. Unless we find one soon, we'll have Charlie, Harry and Weitering (and Jack) all over 30 without a genuine replacement on the list.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 15, 2024, 03:12:29 pm
So, we could, be going back to the draft to chase some genuine KP players for the future. Something we should've been doing for years. Unless we find one soon, we'll have Charlie, Harry and Weitering (and Jack) all over 30 without a genuine replacement on the list.
Agree with that, KP players should be on the agenda as a priority, need some more speedy ball winning mids but given we have the Campo kids on the way that might cover that area although I wouldnt mind a taller/stronger young mid or two to future proof the list as Hewett, Kennedy and Cripps get older.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: pew2 on April 15, 2024, 04:08:07 pm
watched game and bring in cowan,forget that statue young 
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: kruddler on April 15, 2024, 04:13:51 pm
Agree with that, KP players should be on the agenda as a priority, need some more speedy ball winning mids but given we have the Campo kids on the way that might cover that area although I wouldnt mind a taller/stronger young mid or two to future proof the list as Hewett, Kennedy and Cripps get older.

Yep.
We are chasing the same players.
What often gets overlooked is
a) How easy is it to get them? Supply vs Demand
b) How much does it cost to get them in terms of picks/players when it is
    i) Through the draft
    ii) Via trade
c) How long before they are AFL ready once we do get them.

In terms of good KPPs
Easiest way to get them is via trade, but that will cost you BIG time.
Next best way is via the draft, but you have to be proactive as it is usually years before you see if they are up to scratch. Which, in the meantime means you could miss your (next) window if you get a bad batch and are not continually drafting them.
Title: Re: VFL 2024 Rd 3: Carlton vs Collingwood at Ikon Park
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 15, 2024, 05:36:24 pm
Yep.
We are chasing the same players.
What often gets overlooked is
a) How easy is it to get them? Supply vs Demand
b) How much does it cost to get them in terms of picks/players when it is
    i) Through the draft
    ii) Via trade
c) How long before they are AFL ready once we do get them.

In terms of good KPPs
Easiest way to get them is via trade, but that will cost you BIG time.
Next best way is via the draft, but you have to be proactive as it is usually years before you see if they are up to scratch. Which, in the meantime means you could miss your (next) window if you get a bad batch and are not continually drafting them.
Yep....looked at the free agents this season who are defenders who you may loosely call KP types and you are looking at Tom McDonald,Dylan Grimes, Josh Battle, Nick Haynes and Adam Tomlinson only. All are undersized for KP roles imo bar McDonald and the only one I would consider is Battle given his age and future prospects, so its slim pickings in terms of supply.

That leaves State League players or drafting suitable types in the ND....both those sources are very limited and as you say kids from the ND take plenty of time usually.
You are left with only one other method and thats developing your own from within your playing list and maybe changing a players role and position which can also take time and with no guarantee of success, plus then having to replace that player with another who can play his initial position...
We saw Geelong take the raw Ratagolea after failed attempts at being a KF and ruck then turn him into a CHB in a fairly short space of time. Lemmey could be a candidate for that treatment or even Jack Silvagni on return.....TDK of course has been mentioned in the media for a transition as a CHB but Im inclined to leave him where he is playing ok.