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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #105
I've just had a look at Paddy Dow's 2019 season
Bolton was sacked after round 11.
Up until that point Dow was averaging close to 20 possessions a game
After that he struggled to reach double figures....until a bit of a flurry towards the end.
It may have been an injury but he kept playing.
Now we know that Teague made the decision to move some of the older more mature players back into their positions of strength which left some of the younger players out in the cold.
Since that 2019 season Dow has had a fight to get back in  the side.

The question has to be...Do we have too many players for certain positions at the cost of a lack of strength in other positions?

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #106
like to see blokes start playing in their best positions. Setterfield into the guts, Williamson onto a wing SPS into the midfield, Murphy not as a small forward. Otherwise it's no point playing any of them as you're only going to get half the value you should.

Biggest issue is the will to win. We don't have enough of it. We match every side we play alot, top sides or not, rarely copping a hiding, but we don't win enough. We only fully commit at our choosing, not bringing it in uncompromisingly every week. we tend to often play to the other side's level, good or $hit. Sadly, it's been out culture for 20 years and takes alot of time to turn that around. We are doing way better than in 2018-19 but unless we bring that total commitment every week we'll lose games that we should be winning more often than we should. That's more frustrating than when we were $hit as we expect more.

Once again our season starts in round 3. We have the worst round 2 record ever i'm sure. Pump up, show a heap of promise in round 1, going down after a close effort, then we have a big letdown and play like crap in round 2, starting like slugs. You can imagine we'll fire up next week as we did round 3 against Geelong last year..
Will to win and willingness to put the body on the line and take a hit for the team, too many blokes wanting the easy kick and refusing
to do the 1%ers. You have old blokes in Pendlebury and Sidebottom on the deck fighting for the ball and our young blokes watching waiting for the likes of Walsh to get it to them.
About 5 players need dropping so they get with the program....

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #107
To this end, I watched Cripps, Newnes and Setterfield closely and all three don’t track back.
Now that just MUST be under instruction for whatever whacky reason is in Teague's head. They wouldnt get a game otherwise.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #108
I've just had a look at Paddy Dow's 2019 season
Bolton was sacked after round 11.
Up until that point Dow was averaging close to 20 possessions a game
After that he struggled to reach double figures....until a bit of a flurry towards the end.
It may have been an injury but he kept playing.
Now we know that Teague made the decision to move some of the older more mature players back into their positions of strength which left some of the younger players out in the cold.
Since that 2019 season Dow has had a fight to get back in  the side.

The question has to be...Do we have too many players for certain positions at the cost of a lack of strength in other positions?
Too many players suited to the easy positions and not enough where we are getting beat up....
Seem to have a lot of players suited to the wing or rebounding but not enough physical types or who want to play close and defend.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #109
Will to win and willingness to the body on the line and take a hit for the team, too many blokes wanting the easy kick and refusing
to do the 1%ers. You have old blokes in Pendlebury and Sidebottom on the deck fighting for the ball and our young blokes watching waiting for the likes of Walsh to get it to them.
About 5 players need dropping so they get with the program....

According to the AFL website, the one percenters went our way 60/43.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #110
The problem probably is that there's not enough room in the 'player's best positions' to fit them all into those spots. ;)
Have to think about leaving some out then. It's like your 6 best bats being openers then trying to slot them from 1 to 6. Doesn't work that well.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #111
My two cents:
We lost the game in the coaches box. I noticed (watching from home) that Pies players played on at every chance. This made our players look flat footed and our coaching panel had not answer for this. Nothing nothing at all.
In the 3rd the Pies stopped playing on and we got ourselves into the game.

A lot did go the Pies way,
when talk of Cox as a footy player is mentioned on this board, then we know things are going well for them
Jones slaps the ball out of a pack and the ball lands to De Goey. How do you defend that?? See just kept ging their way.

I think players are also being played out of position:
SPS is NOT a backman
Setterfield is NOT a wingman.
Murphy is NOT a small forward

I can keep going but worst of all I rejoined as a member today. Does that make sense


I said after the StK praccy game quick sides would trouble us. Adams, Daicos, Brown and couple of other toweled us up and made us look silly.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #112
According to the AFL website, the one percenters went our way 60/43.
That would be Walsh getting 59 and the rest of the team one.......I'd like to see those in isolation and draw my own conclusions and
my idea of a 1% er is probably different.
We were soft vs Richmond and same vs Collingwood

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #113
Will to win and willingness to the body on the line and take a hit for the team, too many blokes wanting the easy kick and refusing
to do the 1%ers. You have old blokes in Pendlebury and Sidebottom on the deck fighting for the ball and our young blokes watching waiting for the likes of Walsh to get it to them.
About 5 players need dropping so they get with the program....

Yes, playing culture is the next thing. We need to weed out those that don't have that passion to win at all costs, rather than at their choosing, and put them in the twos. A highly committed Carlton can beat anyone. Sadly we aren't that highly committed anywhere near as often as we should be.

 

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #114
That would be Walsh getting 59 and the rest of the team one.......I'd like to see those in isolation and draw my own conclusions and
my idea of a 1% er is probably different.
We were soft vs Richmond and same vs Collingwood

Walsh had 3 1%ers. Weitering had 16, Docherty 8, Jones and Pittonet 4 each.



Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #115
That would be Walsh getting 59 and the rest of the team one.......I'd like to see those in isolation and draw my own conclusions and
my idea of a 1% er is probably different.
We were soft vs Richmond and same vs Collingwood
I didn't see us lay a single offensive shepherd, not one block, not one uSecond of delay on a Filth opponent.

I'm not even sure you can do that by accident!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #116
Yes, playing culture is the next thing. We need to weed out those that don't have that passion to win at all costs, rather than at their choosing, and put them in the twos. A highly committed Carlton can beat anyone. Sadly we aren't that highly committed anywhere near as often as we should be.
Yep, I think Teague has to set the bar this week and include some players who want it more and can inspire with an act of play and encourage others to do the same. We are lucky we play a banged up Freo with injuries to their key backs and nemesis players like Walters injured but I wouldnt let some players think they can perform vs a weak Freo and that will guarantee games to them.
I'd be bringing in the likes of Cottrell, Stocker and Kennedy and keeping them in so the other slackers learn in the twos whats required. Cotchin played in a lazy way cheating on his mates till he got told to shape up and thats how I'd be playing it with selection and expectation for our list at well.
As you suggested its probably time to return a few players to their original positions and motivate them to grasp the opportunity or learn how to in the twos.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #117
I didn't see us lay a single offensive shepherd, not one block, not one uSecond of delay on a Filth opponent.

I'm not even sure you can do that by accident!

If you look at another statistical category, "pressure acts", Fogarty had 22, then Walsh 21. I can't find any definitions anywhere.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #118
Walsh had 3 1%ers. Weitering had 16, Docherty 8, Jones and Pittonet 4 each.



Three backline players, and a badly beaten ruckman....nothing of note around the ground apart from Walsh
No forwards performing 1%ers either...
Fogarty was good and has already shown a few of his teammates how to tackle and chase in his short time at the club.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #119
Three backline players, and a badly beaten ruckman....nothing of note around the ground apart from Walsh
No forwards performing 1%ers either...
Fogarty was good and has already shown a few of his teammates how to tackle and chase in his short time at the club.

The breakdown for the 1%ers is similar for the Pies. Backmen near the top, mids further down. The breakdown for the pressure acts is also similar across the two teams.