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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #120 –
A snapshot of the stats as discussed. I couldn't get the full list for each team.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #121 –
The Pies were ahead at 1/4 time by 3 goals, and that was the margin at the end (plus 3 behinds). We gave them a fast start, and then stayed close, but couldn't bridge the gap and also couldn't finish our own good work.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #122 –
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I'm not writing him off. But as things stand presently, after his knee problems he's had one full season (2020), and 2 full pre seasons (2019/20 and 2020/21), so it's not as if he walked out of hospital yesterday. I hope he comes good, but I can't believe I'm the only one who's worried.

But Paul, you implied he was better under Bolton (and he was) but Teague has had him for the proverbial 5 minutes. 

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #123 –
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But Paul, you implied he was better under Bolton (and he was) but Teague has had him for the proverbial 5 minutes. 

I didn't just imply it, I stated it very clearly, and at this point it's true. In 2 years time, my statement may be rubbish, but not now. I guess I was really hopeful that by now he would have recaptured some of his AA form, and IMO he hasn't, which worries me. Bolton coached Doc in 44 games, Teague thus far has 18. When you add in 2 full pre seasons, I wouldn't quite call it 5 minutes, but I accept there's a way to go to catch up.
 

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #124 –
OK, I'll say it again .... completely unfair to draw a comparison between a fit and firing Docherty under bolton and the half broken man Teague has inherited.  Truth be known, it's nothing to do with either coach. 

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #125 –
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OK, I'll say it again .... completely unfair to draw a comparison between a fit and firing Docherty under bolton and the half broken man Teague has inherited.  Truth be known, it's nothing to do with either coach. 

My statement is true. If you think it's an unfair, unnecessary, irrelevant etc. comparison, that's your prerogative.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #126 –
Last night, all of SPS, Weitering, Murphy, Saad, Williamson, Casboult  had 6 tackles between them, a tally Grundy had on his own. Doc, Fish, Newnes and Gibbons had none. Unacceptable.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #127 –
It has taken me a little while to settle down after last night abomination. I said to my son before we went to the game, this was big for Carlton. I knew Collingwood would come out hard but I believe we had the players to win, so for |Carlton, was last night going to be different where we make a statement or were we going to meekly into the night and season, just doing enough. I keep saying winners win because they win, losers lose because they lose. Last night was a prime example of this. Collingwood's good players played well. DeGoey, Pendelbury, Moore, Adams, Grundy were huge compared to Cripps, Walsh, who had a big third quarter, McKay, who was in and out and Weitering who was solid but didn't dominate. Because their main players played well, their second and third tier players were able to play with freedom and confidence. Collingwood chased and tackled and won the hard ball while we continually trailed our opponents. Their kicking to advantage was better than ours and their teaming was far better. I made comment a few weeks ago about the continual turnover of coaches at Carlton and the starkly different playing styles they implemented means that the players have yet to ingrain the game plan into their instincts. To me, every time Collingwood got the ball loose, all their players knew exactly what to do, whereas when we get loose, the players seem to be making it up as they go along. Even the third quarter, our forward 50 was over crowded, had too many players going to the ball, hard hands, missed targets, poor option and bad skill execution. We might had we the ball in our forward fifty but their seems to be no system. and poor skills. We started the game without intent again. The lack of pressure up the ground made hitting leading targets a training drill. Plowman is a guy you can get on a lead but some of the ball coming into Collingwood's forward line was pressure less and there were no mid fielders getting back into the whole.
Williams fell over and it cost us a goal, Cripps fell over and cost us a goal, Jones gave the ball to three Collingwood players and cost us a goal. Carlton came out of defence with no pressure, kicked the ball out on the full a number of times and Docherty was the worst offender. Cripps kicked the ball to Casboult and McKay and Moore marked it in between them, which led to a goal. Why were they both standing next to one another on the fifty meter arc in the first place. The umpires crucified us as always, free kick and missed free kicks cost three or four goals and why was the mark not paid to Newnes. And skill errors! Casboult 30 meters directly in front and he kicks it out on the full. Fogarty 40 meters out and he can't make the distance. Murphy 30 meters out, on the run and can't make the distance.
I go thru all of this and I am left with the one question. How did we only lose by three goals? We were rubbish and Collingwood was very good, yet once again, we are in it with five minutes to go. We either have an enormous amount of untouched potential or Collingwood is not very good. Either way, it was a very disappointing night.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #128 –
Blue Moon, I think it's a game of moments. Take just two of those you mention and reverse them (Levi missing and Jones tapping to DeGoey) and there's a 12 point turnaround, and we lost by 21.

There's a way to go yet, which is why I predicted a 9-11 finish, but we have raw materials to work with. Marks I50 equal, won or equalled the clearances, more I50's, greater disposal efficiency. Last night wasn't great, but it's not as bad as some make out.

Look at the Pies list. Almost to a man they are older, more experienced, more hardened, more recent success, more individual and team accolades. LP was smart to not buy the hype. Some of us, including me, got sucked in bad.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #129 –
Have calmed down a little bit from last night but still very, very angry about another lost opportunity. Just finished watching the replay and reinforced pretty much what I thought last night. Time to be real.
Levi just did nothing and should make way for O Mac. Easy option.
Setterfield was actually worse that I thought. Just doesn't chase, refuses to take front position, doesn't go in hard enough. Well he doesn't go in at all really. Does that sound familiar?
Murphy is like a little league kid. Just gets knocked off the ball all the time. Doesn't chase hard enough, refuses to take front position, etc. etc. Absolutely a non-factor. Really, for the 2 or 3 kicks to a REAL advantage is he worth holding out someone who will al least give us a contest.
Willo I am a fan of but he is sadly out of form and needs a rocket or maybe to be played on a wing?
Jones and Plowman had very poor games partly because of the fast direct entries that were coming in and partly because they were not up to it. Jones, in particular, is creeping closer to dangerous incompetency levels.
Of the positives, thought it wasn't a bad first up for both Williams and Martin. Saad continues his good form and I liked Fogarty's efforts.
There were chances in the 3rd that could've turned the tide for us but we can't handle the pressure and continue to F@$k up, then drop the bundle when the opposition rally.
The CFC has been copping plenty of flak on callback today apparently. Rightly so I think.
I might not have calmed down as much as I thought
 :P 

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #130 –
Well see now if Teague has any cajones.

Betts in for Murphy is an absolute no brainer.

OMac in for Levi.

Kennedy in for any number of 'mids'.....

Stocker in for Dow or Willo.

Is it time to give young Parks a run?
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #131 –
Quote from: rocky on
The CFC has been copping plenty of flak on callback today apparently. Rightly so I think.
I might not have calmed down as much as I thought
 :P 


I think this one riled folks up a bit.

a) Because of course ...it was Collingwood
b) We thought we were a good chance on both club's previous week's performance
c) We  expected the addition of Williams and Martin to give us a boost....it did, but it was countered by a drop off in performance by others.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #132 –
7News says Cripps is playing with an injured back.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #133 –
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7News says Cripps is playing with an injured back.

...'back awareness' and a groin issue. Also announced that there will be a far greater emphasis on 'ruthlessness' in the playing group - how the fck do we only realise that now!!! ::)  ::)
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #134 –
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7News says Cripps is playing with an injured back.

We played him injured last year.
He won't have a long career if we keep up this nonsense.
I thought he was favouring an arm/shoulder last night.