Ended up being a big win but it took a while to shake them off. Should of been a 10-goal thumping based on the number of points we kicked.
Happy to get away with this one !!
that's all we've been doing - just getting by
not convinced - haven't been for a while
make the 8 = just making up numbers
Kicked away in the last to make it a big win. GC are still developing, and will be a little "one step forward one step back" for a while. 40 scoring shots to 22 is pretty food going though.
Well done lads.
Kicked away in the last to make it a big win. GC are still developing, and will be a little "one step forward one step back" for a while. 40 scoring shots to 22 is pretty food going though.
Well done lads.
Considering we had about 6 or 7 non contributors that's not a bad result.
Waite in for Rowe.
Did what we had too. Comfortable 10 goal win if not for poor kicking.
Looking forward to Freo, opportunity to make a statement.
Waite in, but where does he play?. Loathed to move Hendo away from the forward line
Convincing victory in the end and could have been a whole lot more had we kicked straight. A good confidence builder and three straight wins with an undermanned Freo and then Western Bulldogs to come. A big chance to win five straight and build some real momentum.
Curnow BOG today for mine did enough to curtail Ablett and did some damage the other way. He's really come on in the last few weeks.
Hendo continues to impress but I feel there's better to come from him.
Kreuzer a solid game still struggles in those marking contests but getting better.
Really like Dennis' second half.
Really liked Yazz's first half, second half was invisible.
Kicked away in the last to make it a big win. GC are still developing, and will be a little "one step forward one step back" for a while. 40 scoring shots to 22 is pretty food going though.
Well done lads.
Considering we had about 6 or 7 non contributors that's not a bad result.
Waite in for Rowe.
Yep.... a few missing
Problem with Waite for Rowe is that it means we only have one ruck.(and Waite has to be available)
Kreuzer's smashed the hit-outs today (42) but he needs a spell at some stage.
Waite a liability in defence. Too undisciplined and gives away too many frees
Rowe was very unconvincing today.
He has no second effort, and if not on his terms, sometimes even no first effort.
Can take a mark when he wants, but he is a bit too stand offish for mine.
Get the feeling that a Henderson "day-out" isn't too far away.
A 7-8 goal haul is probably on the cards before season's end which will put to bed the "what's his best position?" debate.
Rowe was very unconvincing today.
He has no second effort, and if not on his terms, sometimes even no first effort.
Can take a mark when he wants, but he is a bit too stand offish for mine.
Bottom line....
If Warnock's fit and available Rowe doesn't play.
Ablett 32 disposals 68.7% efficiency
Curnow 22 disposals 86.4% efficiency ;)
In the words of the Black Knight......"Let's call it a draw" :D
Rowe was very unconvincing today.
He has no second effort, and if not on his terms, sometimes even no first effort.
Can take a mark when he wants, but he is a bit too stand offish for mine.
Bottom line....
If Warnock's fit and available Rowe doesn't play.
Not for me...I'm still sticking with Rowe, we need a second ruckman but one who can take a mark and give us some options....Warnock is still a lampost who can only play ruck.
Rowe wasnt great today, didnt take enough marks or get involved enough but i think we have to get away from rotating our KP/rucks when they have a ordinary game or two.
You have to build confidence to build a structure and I think Rowe has to be educated and given a chance to settle.......if you did drop Rowe then I reckon it has to be Casboult who comes in...at least he can play more than one position. I dont see Warnock as an option unless Kruezer gets hurt.
re: Waite...happy to have him back in the team but he isnt a ruckman and you still need a backup for Kruezer wether it be Rowe or Casboult.
Rowe was very unconvincing today.
He has no second effort, and if not on his terms, sometimes even no first effort.
Can take a mark when he wants, but he is a bit too stand offish for mine.
Bottom line....
If Warnock's fit and available Rowe doesn't play.
Not for me...I'm still sticking with Rowe, we need a second ruckman but one who can take a mark and give us some options....Warnock is still a lampost who can only play ruck.
Rowe wasnt great today, didnt take enough marks or get involved enough but i think we have to get away from rotating our KP/rucks when they have a ordinary game or two.
You have to build confidence to build a structure and I think Rowe has to be educated and given a chance to settle.......if you did drop Rowe then I reckon it has to be Casboult who comes in...at least he can play more than one position. I dont see Warnock as an option unless Kruezer gets hurt.
re: Waite...happy to have him back in the team but he isnt a ruckman and you still need a backup for Kruezer wether it be Rowe or Casboult.
In the "post match" Mick was apparently pleased with the support Rowe provided so he may be given the opportunity to keep going.
Glad we got the win, sad that we took til the last qtr to put it away.
Our goal kicking was terrible, and still too much not to like overall. Hendo and Kreuzer I suppose were the positives. A real lack of consistancy across the board from nearly everyone else.
Between the umpiring and the commentary, it's becoming near impossible to enjoy watching the foootball on TV anymore.
Kicked away in the last to make it a big win. GC are still developing, and will be a little "one step forward one step back" for a while. 40 scoring shots to 22 is pretty food going though.
Well done lads.
Considering we had about 6 or 7 non contributors that's not a bad result.
Waite in for Rowe.
Only one that comes in for Rowe is Casboult otherwise we have no relief ruckman. Waite will come in for someone else.
Rowe was very unconvincing today.
He has no second effort, and if not on his terms, sometimes even no first effort.
Can take a mark when he wants, but he is a bit too stand offish for mine.
Bottom line....
If Warnock's fit and available Rowe doesn't play.
Not for me...I'm still sticking with Rowe, we need a second ruckman but one who can take a mark and give us some options....Warnock is still a lampost who can only play ruck.
Rowe wasnt great today, didnt take enough marks or get involved enough but i think we have to get away from rotating our KP/rucks when they have a ordinary game or two.
You have to build confidence to build a structure and I think Rowe has to be educated and given a chance to settle.......if you did drop Rowe then I reckon it has to be Casboult who comes in...at least he can play more than one position. I dont see Warnock as an option unless Kruezer gets hurt.
re: Waite...happy to have him back in the team but he isnt a ruckman and you still need a backup for Kruezer wether it be Rowe or Casboult.
Totally agree. You'd reckon if Meat puts in a good one tomorrow for the NBs, he'll come in for Rowe. I would also persist with Rowe. Sheesh, his body would still be recovering after that few months of chemo last year - that stuff devastates the human body. But after today's game he might need a rest/learn more in the Magoos.
Curnow is blossoming under MM. Disciplined games from Walker and Yazz.
Hendo is rapidly cementing himself as not only a very good tall forward but also as a leader.
Good effort considering neither Juddy or Murph was 'dominant'... both were good and did their job but we didn't rely on both or either to be the difference.
Cachia did more in one quarter of footy than Lucas in three. Question marks over Lucas' hardness rise again - one hit from Brown and he went to water and became the invisible man.
The old bloke shone (Scotto).
Was it my imagination or did Carrots look a little slow/off/not quite right?
Rowe was very unconvincing today.
He has no second effort, and if not on his terms, sometimes even no first effort.
Can take a mark when he wants, but he is a bit too stand offish for mine.
Bottom line....
If Warnock's fit and available Rowe doesn't play.
I would also like to disagree with this.
I'd have Rowe in over Warnock.
I'd have Rowe in over Hampson.
I'd have Hampson in over Warnock.
Essentially Warnock is a 1-trick pony and having him in the side reduces the effectiveness of Kreuzer.
Ideally i think you need 6 big men in the side.
You'd want a spine consisting of something like...
Jamison
Watson
Kreuzer
Henderson
Waite
with Hampson/Rowe/Casboult as the utility tall backup ruckman on the bench.
That gives us flexibility as Henderson can cover down back.
Hampson/Rowe/Casboult can cover up forward or in the ruck.
Gives us the option of subbing out a tall late in the game if they are not required and adding more run.
Warnock only gets a game if Kreuzer is out IMO as he needs to be the #1 ruck.
Rowe was very unconvincing today.
He has no second effort, and if not on his terms, sometimes even no first effort.
Can take a mark when he wants, but he is a bit too stand offish for mine.
Bottom line....
If Warnock's fit and available Rowe doesn't play.
I would also like to disagree with this.
I'd have Rowe in over Warnock.
I'd have Rowe in over Hampson.
I'd have Hampson in over Warnock.
Essentially Warnock is a 1-trick pony and having him in the side reduces the effectiveness of Kreuzer.
Ideally i think you need 6 big men in the side.
You'd want a spine consisting of something like...
Jamison
Watson
Kreuzer
Henderson
Waite
with Hampson/Rowe/Casboult as the utility tall backup ruckman on the bench.
That gives us flexibility as Henderson can cover down back.
Hampson/Rowe/Casboult can cover up forward or in the ruck.
Gives us the option of subbing out a tall late in the game if they are not required and adding more run.
Warnock only gets a game if Kreuzer is out IMO as he needs to be the #1 ruck.
Rowe and Casboult have "promised" a lot.
...as has Hampson in the past.
All have shown "promise" but......
None have yet proven to be more than just fillers.
Henderson's shown that up in just a couple of games.
I don't think any are a long term answer to that second forward/ruck role.
We need to go shopping ;)
Rowe and Casboult have "promised" a lot.
...as has Hampson in the past.
All have shown promise but......
None have yet proven to be more than just fillers.
Henderson's shown that up in just a couple of games.
I don't think any are a long term answer to that second forward/ruck role.
I agree, but neither has Warnock.
Kreuzer up forward isn't much better than the players mentioned above.
Warnock up forward is about as useful as a 3rd goal post.
Warnock in the ruck gives us little improvement to when we have Kreuzer there.
What is the net benefit?
I guess its the sum of the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Which is clearly evident when we have been able to utilise Watson in the side who was only average in the 2's.
Rowe may have been down a little today but he has shown he can play and pinch hit in the ruck at a decent level. I can't see any way back for Warnock personally, not while Kreuzer is fit.
Rowe was very unconvincing today.
He has no second effort, and if not on his terms, sometimes even no first effort.
Can take a mark when he wants, but he is a bit too stand offish for mine.
Bottom line....
If Warnock's fit and available Rowe doesn't play.
I would also like to disagree with this.
I'd have Rowe in over Warnock.
I'd have Rowe in over Hampson.
I'd have Hampson in over Warnock.
Essentially Warnock is a 1-trick pony and having him in the side reduces the effectiveness of Kreuzer.
Ideally i think you need 6 big men in the side.
You'd want a spine consisting of something like...
Jamison
Watson
Kreuzer
Henderson
Waite
with Hampson/Rowe/Casboult as the utility tall backup ruckman on the bench.
That gives us flexibility as Henderson can cover down back.
Hampson/Rowe/Casboult can cover up forward or in the ruck.
Gives us the option of subbing out a tall late in the game if they are not required and adding more run.
Warnock only gets a game if Kreuzer is out IMO as he needs to be the #1 ruck.
Rowe and Casboult have "promised" a lot.
...as has Hampson in the past.
All have shown "promise" but......
None have yet proven to be more than just fillers.
Henderson's shown that up in just a couple of games.
I don't think any are a long term answer to that second forward/ruck role.
We need to go shopping ;)
Fair point...none have grabbed the opportunity to make the second ruck/forward spot their own but a bloke called Kruezer has made the 1st ruck his own and
been one of our best in recent weeks and I think he has worked well with Rowe regardless of Rowe's output and the team has looked better balanced.
I wouldnt be messing with with Kruezers form by changing Rowe just yet...three wins in a row wouldnt have me fixing something thats isnt broke.
I guess the game isn't on at 7.40 then.
How did our top liners go?
We need to give Casboult more of a chance. He's a fantastic mark and there's something about him that just makes me think he'll come good soon. Remember how frustrating Josh Kennedy was when he was playing for us? We almost have up on McClean and now he's a permanent fixture in the side.
More opportunity is essential for the likes of Casboult, Bell and Buckley.
MM said in his press conference that the boys will be working on their goal kicking this week.
Hmmm you mean we don't do it other weeks?
Just get Jeremy Cameron :D
Should have won by 10 goals. Bad kicking for goal is b ad footy.good games again by Kreuzer, Henderson and Curnow.
Carrazzo was so bad it was almost unbelievable - cant see how he would keep his game on the back of that performance.
We need to give Casboult more of a chance. He's a fantastic mark and there's something about him that just makes me think he'll come good soon. Remember how frustrating Josh Kennedy was when he was playing for us? We almost have up on McClean and now he's a permanent fixture in the side.
More opportunity is essential for the likes of Casboult, Bell and Buckley.
Agree totally Tom. Casboults only problem is his fitness, he runs out of puff after half time. But he's a 1000% better mark than Rowe and a better ruckman.
I admire Rowe tremendously, but he can't stick a mark and he's far too one dimensional.
Should have won by 10 goals. Bad kicking for goal is b ad footy.good games again by Kreuzer, Henderson and Curnow.
Carrazzo was so bad it was almost unbelievable - cant see how he would keep his game on the back of that performance.
If Tom Bell was fit, he's be in instead of carrots. He really hasn't come back since the calf injury.
Rowe was very unconvincing today.
He has no second effort, and if not on his terms, sometimes even no first effort.
Can take a mark when he wants, but he is a bit too stand offish for mine.
Bottom line....
If Warnock's fit and available Rowe doesn't play.
Not for me...I'm still sticking with Rowe, we need a second ruckman but one who can take a mark and give us some options....Warnock is still a lampost who can only play ruck.
Rowe wasnt great today, didnt take enough marks or get involved enough but i think we have to get away from rotating our KP/rucks when they have a ordinary game or two.
You have to build confidence to build a structure and I think Rowe has to be educated and given a chance to settle.......if you did drop Rowe then I reckon it has to be Casboult who comes in...at least he can play more than one position. I dont see Warnock as an option unless Kruezer gets hurt.
re: Waite...happy to have him back in the team but he isnt a ruckman and you still need a backup for Kruezer wether it be Rowe or Casboult.
Rowe has got the nod because he can take a grab (even though he barely had a touch today) and his ruck work isn't bad. Casboult's best is better, but his worse is much worse. Similar to Hampson - when he is at his best, he is a great benefit to the team, but when he is down he is a real liability who turns gold into faeces.
Warnock is still our best tap ruckman, but, while he is trying to improve the other aspects of his game, he hasn't convinced me he has made it yet. I hope he can: 206 cm guys who can run a long time don't grow on trees. However.....
We all love Sam Rowe. He is not quite good enough, but more than useful.
I think Sam needs games. We might need him in the backline too!
Tell me, how did Mat Watson go? Not many kicks, but good goal.
Is he paying his way, or is he a weak-link-awaiting-proof?
Would be good if he came through !!
I only saw the first quarter and a bit but Rowe got his hands to about 10 potential marks and didn't take one.
How does that happen with a guy who has sticky hands?
I only saw the first quarter and a bit but Rowe got his hands to about 10 potential marks and didn't take one.
How does that happen with a guy who has sticky hands?
If you look closely, many of those potential marks he intentionally (obvioulsy following instructions) knocked down in front... for the smalls to gather. But your point is good... he should be allowed to back his judgment more often and take the mark. Plus, I reckon he's very early in learning how to be a 2nd ruckman and 2nd tall forward... he came from being the no. 1 in both. He'll learn. Because he wants to. His recent signing suggests the club thinks much the same... he will have 2014 to prove himself.
Very happy with the team performance, if we play like that all the time we'll win more than we lose.
If you look at who we had missing from today we were just about full strength so we were entitled to beat Gold Coast, but we got the job done and did it easily so we shouldn't complain.
This is a good football team and there are two or three in the VFL who will make it better in the next year or so, there's reason to believe.
I missed the entire 3rd quarter and the first 10mins of the last quarter. I need to see the replay before I can make many comments. Some negatives and positives from todays game. I think Curnow is now beginning to move along well and is developing into a mid that deserves respect. You cannot under-estimate his ability to shut your game down, while still getting the pill and creating opportunities to move forward.
We need to be careful as a playing group not to be too cute or go backwards before moving forward too often. I watched us take time checking our direct opponents at times, and were caught flat footed when they burst forward on a rebound. The Suns have genuine pace and have footy smarts working for them. They are not as green as the Giants. I'm happy we won this game. Not the best game I have watched but I need to see the full game still. Move on, next. Fremantle gives us our best chance of beating them with their injury issues. If we can't beat them here next week, we can't beat them anywhere, anytime in the near future. We need Waite in for his X-factor.
We all love Sam Rowe. He is not quite good enough, but more than useful.
I think Sam needs games. We might need him in the backline too!
Tell me, how did Mat Watson go? Not many kicks, but good goal.
Is he paying his way, or is he a weak-link-awaiting-proof?
Would be good if he came through !!
To be honest, I wasn't disappointed in Watson's effort. He did what he had to. His various opponents didn't do a lot: most of Gold Coast's attacks went through Charlie Dixon (who Jamo minded when he played forward). If they had used Day's agility against Watto, they might have got somewhere, but they didn't.
Watson's goal was very nice and he really liked it.
A few observations today...
Metricrap is a shocking ground to view the game, the shade and light are woeful.. I imagine playing would be even worse.
We won, after a great start it took three quarters to put em away.
Kicking for goal, is crape.
Field kicking and decision making, makes me wonder.
Carrots = woeful... is he cracking the sads or is he really that badly out of form... ???
Simmo back to his best since his move down back.
Kreuzer controlled the ruck, still needs to impose his bulk around the ground..
Curnow did a great job on Ableet, (gees get sic of the circus of commentators masturbating over the man)
Hendo the man is maturing like a nice red. ;D
Go BLUES !!!
Next the shockers... hopefully Adelaide hurt them bad.
We all love Sam Rowe. He is not quite good enough, but more than useful.
I think Sam needs games. We might need him in the backline too!
Tell me, how did Mat Watson go? Not many kicks, but good goal.
Is he paying his way, or is he a weak-link-awaiting-proof?
Would be good if he came through !!
To be honest, I wasn't disappointed in Watson's effort. He did what he had to. His various opponents didn't do a lot: most of Gold Coast's attacks went through Charlie Dixon (who Jamo minded when he played forward). If they had used Day's agility against Watto, they might have got somewhere, but they didn't.
Watson's goal was very nice and he really liked it.
I found it perplexing that Watson's first goal on the big stage was not greeted with huge celebration from team mates as is usally the norm.
As mentioned already, kicking for goal was disgraceful, as was the umpiring and as usual so was the commentary. Get out of Ablett's ar$e. I have never seen a guy get so many kicks running around the back, and using the one two when you don’t have to. The press are way to concerned with stats. Remember last year against Collingwood, Ablett got 50+ and they lost by 100 points.
One thing about the Fox Footy coverage that really crapes me, after every goal you don’t see a replay until channel 7 come back from commercial, then it’s only a slow mo of a celebration or a bad angle of the goal. FFS fox I pay good money I want a Fn replay
I enjoyed Robbo's attempted KO shoulder missile into Gazza's chest to take Gaz (and himself) out of the contest. Shook the little master up and got under his skin nicely!
Good win. Freo next at Etihad sat night... tough ask!
I only saw the first quarter and a bit but Rowe got his hands to about 10 potential marks and didn't take one.
How does that happen with a guy who has sticky hands?
If you look closely, many of those potential marks he intentionally (obvioulsy following instructions) knocked down in front... for the smalls to gather. But your point is good... he should be allowed to back his judgment more often and take the mark. Plus, I reckon he's very early in learning how to be a 2nd ruckman and 2nd tall forward... he came from being the no. 1 in both. He'll learn. Because he wants to. His recent signing suggests the club thinks much the same... he will have 2014 to prove himself.
What about the three he dropped one out on a lead.
I like Rowe but he was awful in the first quarter.
I enjoyed Robbo's attempted KO shoulder missile into Gazza's chest to take Gaz (and himself) out of the contest. Shook the little master up and got under his skin nicely!
My highlight also. On it's own maybe not a big deal but Gazza's over the top response proved it hit it's mark with interest.
A few bagging Carrots I didn't think he was awful, I thought he was excellent when he went down back.
Kicked away in the last to make it a big win. GC are still developing, and will be a little "one step forward one step back" for a while. 40 scoring shots to 22 is pretty food going though.
Well done lads.
Considering we had about 6 or 7 non contributors that's not a bad result.
Waite in for Rowe.
Agree but something else will need to change. Who is the relief ruckman once Rowe is gone?
A few bagging Carrots I didn't think he was awful, I thought he was excellent when he went down back.
I think we all agree that Carrots is nowhere near his best: his decision making on the ball especially is not up to his normal standard. However, he was far from crappy. He managed 25 possessions at the same effectiveness of Murphy (who had 27). After half time he had a job which he did well enough.
I think he still needs a little confidence and more game time to find the form we all love. A couple of weeks back I suggested he might need a week or 2 with the Baby Blues. I think he is past that now - he is getting more ball. He needs a few things to go right, a couple of big wins, to get his confidence back.
I'm a bit frustrated with Murph. He is not as damaging as he used to be and quite frankly does not look like a captain out on the field. Very happy with Hendo. He's become our most important player and I think he's only 22. Like most Malthouse teams, we generated a lot of shots on goal, just have to get the larger number on the left.
Something else that really peeved me was our constant short passing inside 50 to the small forward in the pocket. Rarely do they take the mark and even if they do they're around a 25% chance to score a goal. We need to go long to the square a lot more.
Something else that really peeved me was our constant short passing inside 50 to the small forward in the pocket. Rarely do they take the mark and even if they do they're around a 25% chance to score a goal. We need to go long to the square a lot more.
yep, it really was a very dumb 'strategy'.
Nice win, shocking kicking and too many passengers yet again.
Rowe - I wonder if he didn't have to deal with cancer last season if he'd still be getting this soft excuse for being an ordinary player. He was bigger, older and stronger than his opponents and was spoiled or put off most of the time. Rowe is slow, and not aggressive at the contest, I've never seen him chase down an opponent like Casboult has. Many say Levi is a shocking kick for goal but at least he gets shots on goal, he will split a pack open when going for a mark and when one on one I'd back him in to mark 75% of the contests in the air. Rowe is a back up nothing more, Levi is young and has some AFL skills, play him now.
Carrazzo - You can look on paper or you can watch the game, stats don't say how often he fumbled of was beaten at the contest by younger, weaker opponents. There was a time last season when you saw him go into a contest and had confidence that if he didn't win it then it out be a ball up. Now Carrazzo circa 2013 is back to his worst slow with his decision making and often beaten at the contest and it didn't stand out any more than this game against inferior players that he should have schooled he looked slow and second rate.
Murphy - A paper cut out of what he was two years ago, always looking for the easy possession and no whee near as damaging by foot. Did making him the captain and winning the MVP put MM ahead of where he really is?
Kreuzer - Man love starting to build again. Was dominant around the ground in the ruck with little help just wish he'd get in the play more around the ground and lift his stats to around 15-20 possies per game and 8-10 marks. That's the next step.
Gibbs - did he play? I know he did but was just cruising around not effecting the game at all.
The smalls - all did well in patches, all went missing in patches.
Curnow - I have been a big fan all season and couldn't understand why people were asking for his head. Fantastic job on Ablett. One image sticks out to me, he helped in a play which allowed Ablett to get 5-8 meters in front, rather than give up the chase Ed put his head down and took off, which put doubt into Halls mind if he should handball to Ablett and instead he kicked the goal, but I'd rather have Hall kicking for goal than Ablett.
Cachia - Man love here again. The only player I saw lay multiple blocks to get other mids free and I don't thinks it was a coincidence that when he came on we started to get better value from clearances.
Henderson - Man love again. I'm sure he's a forward get's to the right spots, when behind he uses his body rather than arms to get space. I can't wait to see Henderson, Waite and Casboult forward line. All three have different skills that would compliment the others.
Metricon Stadium - No games should be played there during the day ever again. It was terrible to watch and the lack of cameras were also evident. Sent the C grade commentary team and about half the number of cameras than we get elsewhere.
I enjoyed Robbo's attempted KO shoulder missile into Gazza's chest to take Gaz (and himself) out of the contest. Shook the little master up and got under his skin nicely!
Good win. Freo next at Etihad sat night... tough ask!
My man love for Robbo is no secret.
I know he can and does butcher the ball but until we get other players showing some physical intimidation/presence Robbo is a must every week.
Waite is the only other guy who seems happy to throw his weight around. Unfortunately he seems to do it in a dumb way and gets himself rubbed out too often. It seems unbelievable that I am labeling Waite "dumber" than Robbo but Robbo rarely gets rubbed out and Waite consistently does. :o
It would be nice if we had some more controlled aggression in our team. >:D
For the record, I am not calling our players soft, I just don't think they are aggressive enough to be intimidating.
@Dave
Agree, "intimidating" is not a word that springs to mind with our blokes, apart from maybe Robbo when he's fired up. I think there was some sort of conscious effort v. the Saints to change that but it sure don't come naturally.
Hopefully MM can inject more of this quality into the team, both with existing players and via the trade table.
@Dave
Agree, "intimidating" is not a word that springs to mind with our blokes, apart from maybe Robbo when he's fired up. I think there was some sort of conscious effort v. the Saints to change that but it sure don't come naturally.
Hopefully MM can inject more of this quality into the team, both with existing players and via the trade table.
Carrots can be intimidating and aggressive, problem is he is horribly out of form.
Nice win, shocking kicking and too many passengers yet again.
Rowe - I wonder if he didn't have to deal with cancer last season if he'd still be getting this soft excuse for being an ordinary player. He was bigger, older and stronger than his opponents and was spoiled or put off most of the time. Rowe is slow, and not aggressive at the contest, I've never seen him chase down an opponent like Casboult has. Many say Levi is a shocking kick for goal but at least he gets shots on goal, he will split a pack open when going for a mark and when one on one I'd back him in to mark 75% of the contests in the air. Rowe is a back up nothing more, Levi is young and has some AFL skills, play him now.
Carrazzo - You can look on paper or you can watch the game, stats don't say how often he fumbled of was beaten at the contest by younger, weaker opponents. There was a time last season when you saw him go into a contest and had confidence that if he didn't win it then it out be a ball up. Now Carrazzo circa 2013 is back to his worst slow with his decision making and often beaten at the contest and it didn't stand out any more than this game against inferior players that he should have schooled he looked slow and second rate.
Murphy - A paper cut out of what he was two years ago, always looking for the easy possession and no whee near as damaging by foot. Did making him the captain and winning the MVP put MM ahead of where he really is?
Kreuzer - Man love starting to build again. Was dominant around the ground in the ruck with little help just wish he'd get in the play more around the ground and lift his stats to around 15-20 possies per game and 8-10 marks. That's the next step.
Gibbs - did he play? I know he did but was just cruising around not effecting the game at all.
The smalls - all did well in patches, all went missing in patches.
Curnow - I have been a big fan all season and couldn't understand why people were asking for his head. Fantastic job on Ablett. One image sticks out to me, he helped in a play which allowed Ablett to get 5-8 meters in front, rather than give up the chase Ed put his head down and took off, which put doubt into Halls mind if he should handball to Ablett and instead he kicked the goal, but I'd rather have Hall kicking for goal than Ablett.
Cachia - Man love here again. The only player I saw lay multiple blocks to get other mids free and I don't thinks it was a coincidence that when he came on we started to get better value from clearances.
Henderson - Man love again. I'm sure he's a forward get's to the right spots, when behind he uses his body rather than arms to get space. I can't wait to see Henderson, Waite and Casboult forward line. All three have different skills that would compliment the others.
Metricon Stadium - No games should be played there during the day ever again. It was terrible to watch and the lack of cameras were also evident. Sent the C grade commentary team and about half the number of cameras than we get elsewhere.
Excellent summary ;D ;D
I've been one calling for Curnow's head and I'm pleased to be able to say I am ecstatic with his turn around to be able to play offensively in his defensive role as shown yesterday.
I still think he is a long way off elite status but a good project coming good to potentially replace Carrots in due course.
Must be said though that Carrots still does a lot for the team that goes unnoticed. Very under rated, still!
Cachia is going to be a very good footballer for us for many years...love him..
Hendo - magnificent and tough along with support from Rowe...
C'mon Brisbane today!
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I've been critical of Ed in the past, mainly b/c of his disposal. I too am rapidly becoming a fan! I've paid attention to him in the last 2-3 games and he is doing a great job of running with a man and his own efforts at getting the ball and disposing of it have definitely improved significantly.
Atm he's definitely a keeper. ^-^
Nice win, shocking kicking and too many passengers yet again.
Rowe - I wonder if he didn't have to deal with cancer last season if he'd still be getting this soft excuse for being an ordinary player. He was bigger, older and stronger than his opponents and was spoiled or put off most of the time. Rowe is slow, and not aggressive at the contest, I've never seen him chase down an opponent like Casboult has. Many say Levi is a shocking kick for goal but at least he gets shots on goal, he will split a pack open when going for a mark and when one on one I'd back him in to mark 75% of the contests in the air. Rowe is a back up nothing more, Levi is young and has some AFL skills, play him now.
Carrazzo - You can look on paper or you can watch the game, stats don't say how often he fumbled of was beaten at the contest by younger, weaker opponents. There was a time last season when you saw him go into a contest and had confidence that if he didn't win it then it out be a ball up. Now Carrazzo circa 2013 is back to his worst slow with his decision making and often beaten at the contest and it didn't stand out any more than this game against inferior players that he should have schooled he looked slow and second rate.
Murphy - A paper cut out of what he was two years ago, always looking for the easy possession and no whee near as damaging by foot. Did making him the captain and winning the MVP put MM ahead of where he really is?
Kreuzer - Man love starting to build again. Was dominant around the ground in the ruck with little help just wish he'd get in the play more around the ground and lift his stats to around 15-20 possies per game and 8-10 marks. That's the next step.
Gibbs - did he play? I know he did but was just cruising around not effecting the game at all.
The smalls - all did well in patches, all went missing in patches.
Curnow - I have been a big fan all season and couldn't understand why people were asking for his head. Fantastic job on Ablett. One image sticks out to me, he helped in a play which allowed Ablett to get 5-8 meters in front, rather than give up the chase Ed put his head down and took off, which put doubt into Halls mind if he should handball to Ablett and instead he kicked the goal, but I'd rather have Hall kicking for goal than Ablett.
Cachia - Man love here again. The only player I saw lay multiple blocks to get other mids free and I don't thinks it was a coincidence that when he came on we started to get better value from clearances.
Henderson - Man love again. I'm sure he's a forward get's to the right spots, when behind he uses his body rather than arms to get space. I can't wait to see Henderson, Waite and Casboult forward line. All three have different skills that would compliment the others.
Metricon Stadium - No games should be played there during the day ever again. It was terrible to watch and the lack of cameras were also evident. Sent the C grade commentary team and about half the number of cameras than we get elsewhere.
Excellent summary except for a small part in the Rowe sum up. I don't find cancer a soft excuse hence needs another year after this one to tell us more. Agree though he's not going to be a great player, hence just a one year extension, but hoping either he or Casboult can be handy in the mould of Leigh Brown when Waite comes back. Might help both either not having to be the key forward. That'd back Waite and Henderson up very nicely not to mention Kreuzer.
Excellent summary except for a small part in the Rowe sum up. I don't find cancer a soft excuse hence needs another year after this one to tell us more.
I didn't mean for it to come out like that. I think if it was Hampson in there dropping those sitters yesterday or Casboult the punters would have been all over them. What I was meaning is do people go soft on Sam because of his cancer last year, because I cannot see how he has played well since his inclusion, apart from against a sub standard St Kilda defence where he looked OK.
Casboult needs games top get better at the top level, not in one week out the next.
A few bagging Carrots I didn't think he was awful, I thought he was excellent when he went down back.
I think we all agree that Carrots is nowhere near his best: his decision making on the ball especially is not up to his normal standard. However, he was far from crappy. He managed 25 possessions at the same effectiveness of Murphy (who had 27). After half time he had a job which he did well enough.
I think he still needs a little confidence and more game time to find the form we all love. A couple of weeks back I suggested he might need a week or 2 with the Baby Blues. I think he is past that now - he is getting more ball. He needs a few things to go right, a couple of big wins, to get his confidence back.
Carrazzo cost us at least two goals. His disposal was woeful, only matched by his indecision. Worst game I've seen from him for a while - and he has stunk it up big time in 2013. Reckon he needs some time in the twos to get his confidence back.
I'm amazed to be saying this but I thought again Simmo was BOG. That's 3 games in a row I've rated him as BOG. He is playing some great footy. Clearly I think he's in career best form ATM. Kudos to him and Mickey for turning it around.
Rowe was very unconvincing today.
He has no second effort, and if not on his terms, sometimes even no first effort.
Can take a mark when he wants, but he is a bit too stand offish for mine.
Bottom line....
If Warnock's fit and available Rowe doesn't play.
Not for me...I'm still sticking with Rowe, we need a second ruckman but one who can take a mark and give us some options....Warnock is still a lampost who can only play ruck.
Rowe wasnt great today, didnt take enough marks or get involved enough but i think we have to get away from rotating our KP/rucks when they have a ordinary game or two.
You have to build confidence to build a structure and I think Rowe has to be educated and given a chance to settle.......if you did drop Rowe then I reckon it has to be Casboult who comes in...at least he can play more than one position. I dont see Warnock as an option unless Kruezer gets hurt.
re: Waite...happy to have him back in the team but he isnt a ruckman and you still need a backup for Kruezer wether it be Rowe or Casboult.
In the "post match" Mick was apparently pleased with the support Rowe provided so he may be given the opportunity to keep going.
Knowing mick, his positive comments of Rowe's support role probably means that mick noticed that he did stuff all in his primary job... Marking as a kpf and kicking goals.
Not much love for Sam Rowe but like I said we have three wins from three with him in the team and the Kruezer/Rowe combo has been better than other ones....
re: Carrazzo...sticking with him too, sure he stuffed up a few kicks and I was annoyed like others but he has the runs on the board and most of us including me were prepared to hang and bury Kade Simpson early in the year but he now one of our best each week.
Freo have some big mids and we need Carrots where the action is and I thought his game after half time wasnt too bad....
re: Waite.......when he comes back Henderson wont be as effective as Waite will draw more of the ball and probably wont convert as well...
Don't think MM likes too much unforced change so minimal changes IMO. Be interesting though to see what happens if Bootsma is OK, seems to like him.
re: Waite.......when he comes back Henderson wont be as effective as Waite will draw more of the ball and probably wont convert as well...
I'd be tempted to use Waite at CHB. Played some good footy there 6 or 7 years ago and surely Hendo's efforts deserve reward, besides he marks in front of goal doesn't lead to the pockets like Waite.
re: Waite.......when he comes back Henderson wont be as effective as Waite will draw more of the ball and probably wont convert as well...
I don't agree with this. Waite is almost as good a contested mark as Cloke, the difference being that Cloke uses a lot of body strength for his, Waite relies more on timing his leap and his ability to leap earlier and hang longer, but essentially Waite is capable of similar numbers (when he can stay on the park). Henderson is considerably better than Dawes. The magpies were able to play that two big tall marking forward on their way to a flag and Hawthorn have as well, I was giving some thought as to what to do with Henderson when Waite came back and came to the conclusion we were better off keeping him forward though it is a tough decision.
To me the problem becomes are we weaker with Watson in defense or Rowe/Casboult up forward. I think it is probably slightly (and I do mean slightly) better to have Watson in defense. This could easily change by the week though depending on our opponent. West Coast is a good example. Would be really want Watson or McInnes minding Jack Darling? That could be embarrassing... So that week I would play Hendo down back and wear the loss of him up forward. Against Richmond... I might be okay letting Watson have a go at Vickery, but it would be a tough call.
The key to Waite/Hendo up forward is that Hendo is turning out to be a really good contested marking option and I don't mind his kicking. If he starts getting not only the 2nd best defenders, but also the focus of the 3rd man up (loose defender) is on joining the Waite contest, rather than chopping Hendo out of the contest, then I think Hendo could actually Excel.
Waite back doesn't produce problems for Hendo I think it frees him up and creates a bit of a nightmare for the opposition, especially if our smalls stay in form.
Waite and Hendo up front would be an opposition coaches nightmare! Two classy, strong marking athletic forwards both with a touch of brilliance in their own special way. Combined with the amigos I can't see us losing a game if we get the ball up forward enough. Perhaps playing both of them up front requires an adjustment in tactics, more of an offensive focus.
Waite and Hendo up front would be an opposition coaches nightmare! Two classy, strong marking athletic forwards both with a touch of brilliance in their own special way. Combined with the amigos I can't see us losing a game if we get the ball up forward enough. Perhaps playing both of them up front requires an adjustment in tactics, more of an offensive focus.
I notice the Hendo takes a lot of marks right in the goal square
been a while since I can remember someone doing that
Only just finished watching the replay.
Oh boy was that a crap game.
What was Curnow saying to Ablett at quarter time; "Where will I meet you for the start of the second, half forward or in the centre square?"
What was Curnow saying to Ablett at quarter time; "Where will I meet you for the start of the second, half forward or in the centre square?"
Both former Modewarre boys and having played against Modewarre myself he was probably telling him how great it is to play on a ground that doesn't run downhill!!
Just finished watching the replay and have to agree with CIMM - bit of a crap game but we won. Eddie Betts somehow managed to kick 3 but looks anything but the Eddie of old. Poor foot skills kill us and we would be really made to pay against a team like the Swans. I like McKenzie from the Suns.
What was Curnow saying to Ablett at quarter time; "Where will I meet you for the start of the second, half forward or in the centre square?"
Both former Modewarre boys and having played against Modewarre myself he was probably telling him how great it is to play on a ground that doesn't run downhill!!
They had a good chat after the game as well. Some mutual respect for sure.
What was Curnow saying to Ablett at quarter time; "Where will I meet you for the start of the second, half forward or in the centre square?"
Both former Modewarre boys and having played against Modewarre myself he was probably telling him how great it is to play on a ground that doesn't run downhill!!
They had a good chat after the game as well. Some mutual respect for sure.
He was having a go @ Ablett getting cheapies around the back.
Waite and Hendo up front would be an opposition coaches nightmare! Two classy, strong marking athletic forwards both with a touch of brilliance in their own special way. Combined with the amigos I can't see us losing a game if we get the ball up forward enough. Perhaps playing both of them up front requires an adjustment in tactics, more of an offensive focus.
Waite, Henderson and Casboult with the amigos becomes a most difficult combination for ant opposition coach. What will help Caboult/Rowe, with Waite back, is there isn't the pressure on them to kick goals, just focus on taking a few marks and a bit of rucking.
Waite and Hendo up front would be an opposition coaches nightmare! Two classy, strong marking athletic forwards both with a touch of brilliance in their own special way. Combined with the amigos I can't see us losing a game if we get the ball up forward enough. Perhaps playing both of them up front requires an adjustment in tactics, more of an offensive focus.
Waite, Henderson and Casboult with the amigos becomes a most difficult combination for ant opposition coach. What will help Caboult/Rowe, with Waite back, is there isn't the pressure on them to kick goals, just focus on taking a few marks and a bit of rucking.
I'll be interested to see if that happens if it works....Gunston, Buddy and Roughead works because the latter two are so good, I'm less convinced about Waite, Henderson and Casboult/Rowe working together....I think it will jam up the forward line and leave less room for the amigos to work in.
What was Curnow saying to Ablett at quarter time; "Where will I meet you for the start of the second, half forward or in the centre square?"
Both former Modewarre boys and having played against Modewarre myself he was probably telling him how great it is to play on a ground that doesn't run downhill!!
They had a good chat after the game as well. Some mutual respect for sure.
He was having a go @ Ablett getting cheapies around the back.
Can't blame him. Gableet would have had at least half his disposals as cheapies around the back..
Waite and Hendo up front would be an opposition coaches nightmare! Two classy, strong marking athletic forwards both with a touch of brilliance in their own special way. Combined with the amigos I can't see us losing a game if we get the ball up forward enough. Perhaps playing both of them up front requires an adjustment in tactics, more of an offensive focus.
Waite, Henderson and Casboult with the amigos becomes a most difficult combination for ant opposition coach. What will help Caboult/Rowe, with Waite back, is there isn't the pressure on them to kick goals, just focus on taking a few marks and a bit of rucking.
I'll be interested to see if that happens if it works....Gunston, Buddy and Roughead works because the latter two are so good, I'm less convinced about Waite, Henderson and Casboult/Rowe working together....I think it will jam up the forward line and leave less room for the amigos to work in.
If it's Cas you could have him working up the ground providing the get out option coming out of defence. Leave Waite and Hendo in or around the 50 with two of the amigos, hopefully with Yazz on a wing.