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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #120 –
The playing value of Eddie Betts has been questioned a bit especially earlier in the season.
He's playing some pretty good football at the moment.
He is one whose value is good, and place in the side is more than merited.

But I've also noticed that at breaks in play (after goals etc) he's very animated with the other players, talking, explaining, instructing...whatever it is, it's like having an assistant coach on the field.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #121 –
Whether we realise it or not, Betts is future coaching material.  Far flung?   Nope.  He has been exceptional in that regard @Lods

Sharp, clever and it riles me in the extreme when some people with no clue don't see that on field contribution.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #122 –
Betts worth is primarily off the field, on field his intermittent great games are a bonus, but they might not help us win much.

Owies, Fisher, Fogarty, Williams, Martin, will all be better players because of Betts.

It's those players becoming better, delivering options inside F50, that will contribute to wins, not a sole reliance on Betts.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #123 –
The point I was making is that there were some duckheads that didn't even want him back !!.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #124 –
Quote from: capcom on
The point I was making is that there were some duckheads that didn't even want him back !!.


His value on and off the field is as clear as the nose on your face, its nonsense to think other wise. Ironically, we need a cool headed veteren in the back line at the minute. I never thought that would be the case given how the defence performed before this year.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #125 –
Quote from: capcom on
The point I was making is that there were some duckheads that didn't even want him back !!.
I think some of us warned he wasn't going to be a win/loss panacea, and here we are 14th after 12 rounds, regardless of Betts good games.

Betts is not what we need on field, he can help us win by helping those around him, but if he's trying to kick bags of goals to win it off his own boot it gives us nothing.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #126 –
Quote from: LP on
I think it's a headspace issue, the plight of the downtrodden. It seems so. A lot of posters have mentioned this in the past and it fits what we are seeing. I remember been one of the first clubs to have a head space guy working at the club. Rudy Webster or something like that.

We need someone with some Peaky Blinders type brutality to lift us out of the gutter, playing nice doesn't help in the AFL it just leaves you the victim of bastards! I nominate Krudd! He's the most positive on this site

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #127 –
Eddie was a marketing tool and small forward coach plus incentive for Martin and Williams to join us and play with a mentor.
Goal kicking wise he probably hasn't been as good as a freebie like Matthew Wright but it's the other stuff I mentioned that got him his contract IMHO.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #128 –
Quote from: Lods on
The playing value of Eddie Betts has been questioned a bit especially earlier in the season.
He's playing some pretty good football at the moment.
He is one whose value is good, and place in the side is more than merited.

But I've also noticed that at breaks in play (after goals etc) he's very animated with the other players, talking, explaining, instructing...whatever it is, it's like having an assistant coach on the field.

Have to agree with this. He makes something from nothing and is deadly in the pockets. Some straight kicking earlier in the year and he have a few more goals, currently second behind Harry with 17:13.

He could go on next year if he keeps up the current form he is in.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #129 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Start at the defense..... We have defenders who won't, can't anymore and are no good at defending. Ed Curnow was sent down back to plug holes.
Stocker ended up on Ryan and it was an epic fail. Saad won't play hard defense, Docherty has lost his mojo down there and Williams is a failed midfield applicant who has been forced down back to justify his big pay packet.
Ryan should have had a more senior defender on him and not a kid... We can't play three small mid size defenders who want to chase the ball and not defend.
Teague has to fix the defense or he will lose his job eventually.

Wrong match up. Love Stocker he throws himself at the ball, no fear and does not take a backward step. Saw him do it a couple of times yesterday. This is the player we need in the midfield not the back pocket on a guy who can jump on Gawn's head from side on. To mobile and experienced for a guy who has only 10 games of AFL experience.
 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #131 –
Quote from: blueboys_1 on
Wrong match up. Love Stocker he throws himself at the ball, no fear and does not take a backward step. Saw him do it a couple of times yesterday. This is the player we need in the midfield not the back pocket on a guy who can jump on Gawn's head from side on. To mobile and experienced for a guy who has only 10 games of AFL experience.

Why can you and I see that but the coaches can’t.

Poor stocker has been thrown to the wolves with the players he has manned this year. Hard to mount a case we are trying to win for the now when we play a bloke with 10 games to his name on the comps best and most dangerous forwards week week out.
He has done very well imo and is one positive for me and shows more then guys we have waited 5 years for. All in under a dozen games. This kid looks to have what it takes and will be a long term player imo.

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Reply #132 –
Quote from: PaulP on
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/07/the-aspects-of-carltons-loss-that-confused-david-king/

Kingy, maaaaaate. Welcome aboard. 10 years too late, but anyway....................

As far as red time goals we've been doing that since the decade before last.

It's nice to know we have alot of defenders who don't like to defend...lol. No wonder they chose Carlton.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #133 –
Quote from: PaulP on
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/07/the-aspects-of-carltons-loss-that-confused-david-king/

Kingy, maaaaaate. Welcome aboard. 10 years too late, but anyway....................
I commented in the in game if we had done any research on our opponents as it appeared to me we hadn't. In a depleted side, I would have thought the main ones we had to plan for and negate (as much as possible) were Nic Nat, Darling, Gaff, Sheed and Ryan. Other than Darling, we seemed clueless with the others and that comes down to the coaching team. King backs that up.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #134 –
I actually like Teague's post match press conferences. I like the lack of histrionics, his openness and his identification of problems. I think that by coaching from the sidelines against WCE he finally got to see close up the fundamental lack of passion our players play with. Mark Maclure identified the problem earlier in the year in that we don't play as a team. He also identified that the solution has to be player driven. We have been turning over Coaches too easily and every time a new coach comes in they bring in a new game plan which has been non-productive. I think we need to stick with Teague and make the players responsible.
I also disagree that our drafting and trading has been sub-par. I have said before and I will say it again, I think we have a very good list. While much was made of the Eagle's outs on the weekend, it should be remembered we have been playing without 4, 5,, 6 & 7 of our best players all year. On Sunday we were without Fogarty, Plowman, Marchbank, McGovern, Charlie, & Cuningham and we lost McKay in the first quarter. Individual effort and ability is keeping us close against the good sides.
We are not frenetic around the contest or in the midfield. While commentators keep pointing to our defence as the problem, too often the ball waltzes through our midfield very little pressure and this leaves our defence exposed. In our forward 50 we often try to hard but they try on an individual level and not on a team basis. Our kicking and our decision making coming out of defence is poor, players don't take on the responsibility to goals. I understand the theory of the extra pass but in the first quarter Fisher was on his left foot in space thirty meters out yet he passed off to Murphy I think who then kicked on his right under more pressure and didn't make the distance. Harry barely scored a point 35 meters out., Setterfield didn't even make the distance 30 meters out. Newnes, who is a stong kick, decided on a low percentage pass rather than kicking from 45 meters out, Jack keeps missing them. Pittonet missed two chances, DeKonning one and there were a number of other opportunities missed. I think that is just not important enough to the players.
The administration has cleaned up the debt, is building a state of the art training facility and has engaged with the supporter base to drive up Membership, while the recruiters have built a decent list. In a recent Club survey I was asked what would improve my in game enjoyment. My answer was for the Team to win more games. It is really up to the players.