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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #165 –
As you are not happy with WASurfer's opening sentence, I invite you to commence reading his post from the paragraph beginning "Look back about 5 or 6 years ago..."

I am sure the views he expresses there would sit quite easily with the majority of contributors to this thread.

 I assume you draw comfort from the statistics of the match and believe that success, although elusive at the moment, will come in due time.

On the other hand, I rely on what I see to form my views.  During and at the end of the game I saw a group of Carlton players who had played without leadership, with little or no spirit when the game was in danger, seemingly without a game plan, and looking utterly dejected.

We have many problems with no easy fixes, and I don't see a challenge to teams in the 8 any time soon.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #166 –
Quote from: Macca37 on
As you are not happy with WASurfer's opening sentence, I invite you to commence reading his post from the paragraph beginning "Look back about 5 or 6 years ago..."

I am sure the views he expresses there would sit quite easily with the majority of contributors to this thread.

 I assume you draw comfort from the statistics of the match and believe that success, although elusive at the moment, will come in due time.

On the other hand, I rely on what I see to form my views.  During and at the end of the game I saw a group of Carlton players who had played without leadership, with little or no spirit when the game was in danger, seemingly without a game plan, and looking utterly dejected.

We have many problems with no easy fixes, and I don't see a challenge to teams in the 8 any time soon.
OK, i'll play one more time.

A lot of what you describe, and what he describes is what i've talked about....a roller coaster ride.
Same goes for the players and their belief. Currently its down....way down. It won't stay down forever, 3 easier games coming up could be all thats required to restore confidence levels in the players, coach and club as a whole. We are a fickle bunch.....well most of us.

Now to the "but team xxxxxx are ahead of us now" comments. Sure, and we are ahead of Collingwood now.....and Hawthorn....and...Its all subjective and irrelevant. It makes supporters feel better (or worse depending on your inclination) to play that game. Same is done with individual players too. Ultimately it means little. You want to look at up and down form, look at the thread i posted the link at before.....go to the section on highest losing margins. All of those clubs that have gone past us....and even the ones that were well ahead of us, have had worst days than we have. Some HUGE losses there. West Coast got beaten by the cats by 97 points a few weeks ago. Remember that roller coaster?

So yes, i look at trends, statistics and past history to form my view that success is not that far away.
However, that is also in line with using my eyes to see the same thing you describe, disappointment from the players, despair even. BUT.....that doesn't last.

There will come a time when the tables turn and TBH that is half my point in all of this.

We are (supposedly) playing so bad that everybody needs to be sacked. Take the emotive alarmist nature out of it and you'll find that....
We are down on form.
We are down on confidence.
We are down on fitness.
We are down on personnel.

....and despite all of that we are in each and every match.
There have been games we have lost which we won the I50 count.
There have been games we have lost which we won the scoring shots.
There have been games we have lost which happened in the space of 5 minutes.

How can you see all that and NOT realise that with a bit of luck and a fair chunk of confidence that results will change.

Every man and his dog will tell you why we are bad.....but it doesn't translate to the scoreboard.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #167 –
Look what Richmond did to essendon on Saturday.

Bit of an arm wrestle but went through the gears and destroyed them in 10 minutes.  Went from 3 points down to 7 goals up in the blink of an eye.

Whilst I didn't think we were on top against them, we did way better than that and they weren't all half injured in round 1.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #168 –
While there may be more to it, the lack of initial support for Newman when he crashed head first is concerning.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #169 –
Individuals.  Not a "team"

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #170 –
Quote from: Macca37 on
As you are not happy with WASurfer's opening sentence, I invite you to commence reading his post from the paragraph beginning "Look back about 5 or 6 years ago..."

I am sure the views he expresses there would sit quite easily with the majority of contributors to this thread.

 I assume you draw comfort from the statistics of the match and believe that success, although elusive at the moment, will come in due time.

On the other hand, I rely on what I see to form my views.  During and at the end of the game I saw a group of Carlton players who had played without leadership, with little or no spirit when the game was in danger, seemingly without a game plan, and looking utterly dejected.

We have many problems with no easy fixes, and I don't see a challenge to teams in the 8 any time soon.

Agree Macca.
We won’t go anywhere until we get 3x ready made mids to join Cripps and Walsh. Ed is cooked and the rest are VFL standard at the moment. It’s simply not a midfield capable of matching any of the teams we thought we should be jumping over
this year. Shattering when you think we waited 6 years for this.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #172 –
Love Navy.....my mind goes back a few weeks to when Liam Stocker kicked his first goal in the AFL and the response from team mates was underwhelming to say the least....surely the kid deserved better than that. Similarly, when Hartigan dropped Walsh a few weeks ago, the response was minimal. Yes, you can't just turn around and belt the bloke in retaliation but something would've been better than nothing.

It's a worrying sign that there's just not a lot of "team" going on.....and it's only what I can see on televised games.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #173 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Look what Richmond did to essendon on Saturday.

Bit of an arm wrestle but went through the gears and destroyed them in 10 minutes.  Went from 3 points down to 7 goals up in the blink of an eye.

Whilst I didn't think we were on top against them, we did way better than that and they weren't all half injured in round 1.



All half injured? Plowman is either a important player or a disaster. Like Jones his best is good but when he has an off day he is awful. By the time Charlie is ready he wouldn’t have played for 2 years plus. Can’t rely on him being the savour anymore. Look at doc its nearly impossible to miss that much footy and come back as good.
And pls don’t tell me we are missing marchbank or McGovern. I like McGovern but fact is he has given us nothing since he arrived and marchbanks body is sadly a disaster.
Every single team has injuries - we can’t keep using them as the reason we lose.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #174 –
Agreed Shawny....WCE had plenty of injuries to key players on the weekend but turned up to play....we didn't.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #175 –
Quote from: shawny on
All half injured? Plowman is either a important player or a disaster. Like Jones his best is good but when he has an off day he is awful. By the time Charlie is ready he wouldn’t have played for 2 years plus. Can’t rely on him being the savour anymore. Look at doc its nearly impossible to miss that much footy and come back as good.
And pls don’t tell me we are missing marchbank or McGovern. I like McGovern but fact is he has given us nothing since he arrived and marchbanks body is sadly a disaster.
Every single team has injuries - we can’t keep using them as the reason we lose.
was talking about Richmond putting essendon to the sword with half a team.

Our injuries are compounded.  We aren't a premiership team playing 5 guys with less than 10 games experience with a bunch of guys that are both battle hardened and experienced.  We started a rebuild 5 years ago, and weitering aside the rest aren't even close to 100 games.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #176 –
Caught a glimpse of former Carlton player Adrian Hickmott behind Adam Simpson in the Eagles box after the game.
I think he looks after the Eagles defence.
Hickmott was one of my favourite players.

What you wouldn't give for a couple of Adrian Hickmott's in the side at the moment.
That's the type of attitude, courage and commitment we need to see from our group.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #177 –
Quote from: Lods on
Caught a glimpse of former Carlton player Adrian Hickmott behind Adam Simpson in the Eagles box after the game.
I think he looks after the Eagles defence.
Hickmott was one of my favourite players.

What you wouldn't give for a couple of Adrian Hickmott's in the side at the moment.
That's the type of attitude, courage and commitment we need to see from our group.
I believe he was an applicant for a coaching job at Carlton a few seasons back and we gave him a cold shoulder, was it around the same time we overlooked his lad as a F&S?
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #178 –
Hickmott was an outstanding player.  Gave it everything.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #179 –
We probably pissed him off when we ignored both his boys
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?