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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #135 –
Quote from: PaulP on
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/06/07/the-aspects-of-carltons-loss-that-confused-david-king/

Kingy, maaaaaate. Welcome aboard. 10 years too late, but anyway....................

Geez he has trotted out some cliches there.   Saad doesnt want to defend - hes actually been pretty good (just keep listening to what Cheats supporters tell you Kingy, and dont actually watch the game).  Yeah, they didnt want him deep in a back pocket - but if they had done this, then everyone would have stitched them up - "why dont you free up Saad".   Williams was OK and used it pretty well, as well as defending when he needed to.   Stocker got done on the day, and maybe they should have moved him - but do you sacrifice the drive from half back (which we are always told is so important) that Saad and Williams provide

Everyone acknowledges that when the footy comes in so easily, there is not much the backline can do.  This is the real issue - the midfield not running both ways.  We all know that on here. As we actually watch

King just rolling out some cheap rhetoric (most of which has been fed to him by oppo supporters)... thouhgt he was slightly better than that (only just slightly)

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #136 –
Quote from: laj on
As far as red time goals we've been doing that since the decade before last.

It's nice to know we have alot of defenders who don't like to defend...lol. No wonder they chose Carlton.
Ye! We have done this for years! Drives me batcrap crazy!

Weiters is a very smart guy - give him the responsibility of shutting down the oppo forward line. Please for the love of god, let’s just shut down oppo In the last 5 mins of every quarter.

Oh missed out stocker on a shiny lights comment earlier - like the kid.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #137 –
Quote from: shawny on
Why can you and I see that but the coaches can’t.

Poor stocker has been thrown to the wolves with the players he has manned this year. Hard to mount a case we are trying to win for the now when we play a bloke with 10 games to his name on the comps best and most dangerous forwards week week out.
He has done very well imo and is one positive for me and shows more then guys we have waited 5 years for. All in under a dozen games. This kid looks to have what it takes and will be a long term player imo.
For what its worth, Teague said they moved Newman onto Ryan but unfortunately knocked himself out. Not sure when the move was made though.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #139 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
For what its worth, Teague said they moved Newman onto Ryan but unfortunately knocked himself out. Not sure when the move was made though.

Newman can't defend either.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #140 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 on
Geez he has trotted out some cliches there.   Saad doesnt want to defend - hes actually been pretty good (just keep listening to what Cheats supporters tell you Kingy, and dont actually watch the game).  Yeah, they didnt want him deep in a back pocket - but if they had done this, then everyone would have stitched them up - "why dont you free up Saad".   Williams was OK and used it pretty well, as well as defending when he needed to.   Stocker got done on the day, and maybe they should have moved him - but do you sacrifice the drive from half back (which we are always told is so important) that Saad and Williams provide

Everyone acknowledges that when the footy comes in so easily, there is not much the backline can do.  This is the real issue - the midfield not running both ways.  We all know that on here. As we actually watch

King just rolling out some cheap rhetoric (most of which has been fed to him by oppo supporters)... thouhgt he was slightly better than that (only just slightly)


Quote from: madbluboy on
I've been saying the HBF thing for weeks.

Ladies and gents, forget all that. The mere fact that he is talking about going deeper than just the coach is borderline miraculous. I therefore consider my constant and tireless campaigning on this issue to be a success, and if this sort of talk spreads further than just King, I may be out of a job lol.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #141 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I would have thought the main ones we had to plan for and negate (as much as possible) were Nic Nat, Darling, Gaff, Sheed and Ryan.
FMD, it was that easy we should have won! :o
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #142 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 on
Geez he has trotted out some cliches there.   Saad doesnt want to defend - hes actually been pretty good (just keep listening to what Cheats supporters tell you Kingy, and dont actually watch the game).  Yeah, they didnt want him deep in a back pocket - but if they had done this, then everyone would have stitched them up - "why dont you free up Saad".   Williams was OK and used it pretty well, as well as defending when he needed to.   Stocker got done on the day, and maybe they should have moved him - but do you sacrifice the drive from half back (which we are always told is so important) that Saad and Williams provide

Everyone acknowledges that when the footy comes in so easily, there is not much the backline can do.  This is the real issue - the midfield not running both ways.  We all know that on here. As we actually watch

King just rolling out some cheap rhetoric (most of which has been fed to him by oppo supporters)... thouhgt he was slightly better than that (only just slightly)
Knock at Essendon on Saad was he didnt want to play a negative role and wanted to pick and choose who he played on.....sorry not on. You cant have three defenders who ant to kick chase and have the easy rebound role, two of them will have to find other roles as we need a couple of Andy Mckays who want to play close and hard.
We have too many players who want to play bruise free footy....

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #143 –
Quote from: LP on
Betts worth is primarily off the field, on field his intermittent great games are a bonus, but they might not help us win much.

Owies, Fisher, Fogarty, Williams, Martin, will all be better players because of Betts.

It's those players becoming better, delivering options inside F50, that will contribute to wins, not a sole reliance on Betts.

I agree LP, Betts has been a sucessful economically sound recruit. I'll also admit I'm a big fan.

What Eddie offers additional to straight up on/off field teaching/modelling, is creativity - enjoyment in the game.

Your reference to improving options delivering i50 is key IMO. When we execute this well (What DT calls our exciting game style), we look confident and competitive. Eddie plays a big role orchestrating the fwd troops. It's of little use though when our mids/hb are unable to win the ball and deliver it effectively. Both SYSTEMS need a degree of synergy. Unfortunately we're not doing this enough.

This leads to our next weakness, which seems to have increased this year. Our defense!

What happened to the strides we took defending? f=$ we often lay less tackles than our AFLW girls in a much shorter game.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #144 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I commented in the in game if we had done any research on our opponents as it appeared to me we hadn't. In a depleted side, I would have thought the main ones we had to plan for and negate (as much as possible) were Nic Nat, Darling, Gaff, Sheed and Ryan. Other than Darling, we seemed clueless to with the others and that comes down to the coaching team. King backs that up.

Presumably that coaching fiasco was with the "benefit" of consulting with Worsfold😳
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #145 –
Quote from: LP on
FMD, it was that easy we should have won! :o
Who were the most influential players on the ground?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #146 –
https://youtu.be/6T8fmfqNcu0

This First Crack commentary sums up what many of us are saying, and feeling so frustrated about 😵
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #147 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Who were the most influential players on the ground?
Scouting and match day tactics have been abysmal for years....stoppage planning was non existant.
Clean out the Assistants and get Teague specialist help in those areas and thats not Worsfold who had NFI when he coached Essendon.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #148 –
Time for a change! That's about as bad as it gets today. We were favourites and could've ended up just outside the 8 with a better % than most of the teams around us but we choked again.

We don't have one small/medium lock down defender than can actually go to an opponent and try and negate him....instead a plethora of half backs who are good at running off and delivering. I felt sorry for Stocker on Ryan....he got taught a lesson but Ryan has embarrassed opponents before and will do it again. Simply, we didn't have another option. Hate to say it but I reckon we missed Plowman again.

Right now, Owies is the most reliable set shot for goal in the team.....a bloke who's played half a dozen or so games. Not one other bloke is more than a 50% chance at the moment.

I love the way Cottrell goes about it but his skills aren't up to it at the moment and he turned it over way too many times.

Said it right back in about round 2 or 3....Docherty not half the player he was. He used to be so composed with the footy but now everything is just a hack panic disposal.

That was one of the worst games I've seen Murphy play and he is surely just being nursed to the 300 mark at which point he'll be told he's not playing again.

Setterfield is hopeless and just another high draft pick bloke we've brought in that hasn't fired a shot.

And who's decision was it to play Ed off a half back flank? Their forward line was at about half strength and we put one of our most consistent midfielders back there? His best role is and always has been as a run with mid who can also find his own ball.

I'd defy anyone to say we're a better team now than we were two years ago when Teague took over.

Look back about 5 or 6 years ago and we were neck and neck with Brisbane and fighting for the wooden spoon and arguing over priority picks. We've had similar high draft picks and, like us, they've gone and got blokes in from other clubs.....McCarthy, Neale, Cameron, Daniher, Adams and I'm sure there's a few more. We've done the same......McGovern, Betts, Martin, Saad, Williams....not to mention blokes from GWS who were high draft picks themselves.....Setterfield, Kennedy, Marchbank. They're now a top 4 team and we're still in the bottom 4.

Even Adelaide who finished rock bottom last year and struggled to even win a game, look better than us at the moment and way more competitive.

There wouldn't be a team in the competition that would fear us anymore. Opposition teams would know full well that once we lose possession of the ball we're hopeless. Said it last week after the Sydney game and same thing happened yesterday....the SCG is a tiny ground and 3 good drop punts from full back and you're up the other end shooting for goal.....so how is it possible for both Sydney and WCE to move the ball with seemingly 25 players out there and no opponent and find space all day once we lost the footy?

We can't even do the basics properly....kick to find an opponent....or tackle properly....or even kick a set shot goal from 30m out.

I've been a supporter for 40 years since my favourite Perth player Peter Bosustow moved over to Carlton....but I won't be renewing my membership next year.

There isn't one bloke playing in the VFL at the moment that I read about that's knocking the door down and demanding a game.

Probably only a couple of positives I could take from that sh#t show yesterday.....Fisher looked really good, especially early, but seemed to run out of legs. And Dow wasn't overly impressive but found the ball a bit and earned another crack I think.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #149 –
Quote from: WASurfer on
Time for a change! That's about as bad as it gets today.

As bad as it gets??

Give me a spell.

I posted elsewhere in Teagues 39 games as coach, he's lost by 30 or more points......twice.....and one of them was 31 points.
In Boltons last 39 games as coach, he lost by more than 30 points.......18 times. Including by over 100 points 3 times.

As bad as it gets......short memories by way too many on here.