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Title: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on July 21, 2013, 06:30:22 pm
Australia are 1-0 down in the series and are facing not a world record chase, it'll be a universe record number of runs they need to win this second Test. However, the cracks that have appeared in this series, which will undoubtedly turn into gaping chasms by the time the team arrives back here for the return series, are not something that has just magically appeared. It is my strong belief that this has been coming for some time, its just that the pressure & microscope of an Ashes series has made them more visible than ever before.

Australian cricket, not dislike our fabulous football club, goes in cycles of success based on the quality of key players assembled at any given time. We have been giving the Poms some serious wallopings for some years on the back of having player like Warne, Waugh, McGrath & Gilchrist in the team.

If we take a look at the current team, only Michael Clarke is genuinely up to world standard although Ashton Agar has given us some future hope. Siddle & Pattinson are good bowlers, but not great, with both having some control issues and not knowing when & when not to be aggressive and in their face. Haddin is not a 'keepers bootlace yet if you ask anyone, they'll tell you he's the best of a bad bunch. Khawaja, Rogers, Cowan etc all have reasonable techniques but don't have the iron-clad mettle to build a long innings whilst Hughes is just a complete dud with an equally dud technique and footwork.

Basically, we have not been able to replace the gun players of the previous era (it is not something done with ease either) but the players we keep pinning our hopes on are too soft mentally or are too focussed on themselves, not the team (read : Watson).

We have recently seen the players have a hand in former coach Mickey Arthur being sacked with Watson's sooky-la-la attitude being central to it all. There is a culture within the playing ranks that is in complete contrast to that of yesteryear whereby the players did what was expected of them and didn't quibble about being pushed harder to achieve greater heights. They had genuine character and lived up to the standards that go with wearing the famous baggy green cap. 

It seems like this behaviour is not only tolerated, it is considered acceptable by many of them too !!

To add insult to injury, the ACB is being run by one James Sutherland who to the best of my knowledge, has not done anything ever to promote the game in this country nor focus on producing better cricketers overall. I say this because I keep getting the online newsletters telling us at grass roots level how well cricket is going in this country yet he is undoubtedly out of touch with reality. Cricket does not have increasing participation levels at all James, sadly, it is on the decrease and by a reasonable amount too. So instead of facing the reality of the situation and making plans to address it, they just put their heads in the sand and say its all good, great work if you can get it I reckon !!

And the ACB itself, it has some serious issues to address for this thing to be turned around and heading in the right direction. It appears to me that it is more and more being run along the lines of what you would get an your local and well-established suburban club with the only difference being that these guys actually get paid for giving their old school buddy a lucrative job or getting their best mate's son into the state squad.

They say the 'fish rots from the head' and if we look at the ACB as a complete entity, this one is past being rotten, it is decrepit. I cannot see any reason for us to return to being a power in world cricket whilst we have lacklustre administration running the game.

With India producing Test quality players as quickly as they do Bollywood movies, we will fall further behind unless we have the right people running the game in this country with a passion & committed drive for success.

Right now, we are fast becoming a national joke and an international embarrassment.        
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: age on July 21, 2013, 07:14:49 pm
Still in it.  Take some early ickets this morning and we are a chance.  :P
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on July 21, 2013, 07:22:37 pm
I'm talking about cricket in general, we are in a lot of trouble behind the scenes as well as out in the middle.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 21, 2013, 07:34:28 pm
The problem is, just like the 80's, development suffered on the back of a superb national team.

Plus, they gave Michael Clarke the captaincy 5 years ago and since then he's been waiting to get it from Punter officially, who was a crap skipper himself.

Clarke is the worst thing to happen to Oz cricket ever.

Clarke is a **** pure and simple and I don't mean a **** when he needs to be, like Alan Border, I mean just a **** every **** day of the week.

screw him, Watson and Haddin (all ****s) off and start again.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on July 21, 2013, 09:37:53 pm
Australia are 1-0 down in the series and are facing not a world record chase, it'll be a universe record number of runs they need to win this second Test. However, the cracks that have appeared in this series, which will undoubtedly turn into gaping chasms by the time the team arrives back here for the return series, are not something that has just magically appeared. It is my strong belief that this has been coming for some time, its just that the pressure & microscope of an Ashes series has made them more visible than ever before.

Australian cricket, not dislike our fabulous football club, goes in cycles of success based on the quality of key players assembled at any given time. We have been giving the Poms some serious wallopings for some years on the back of having player like Warne, Waugh, McGrath & Gilchrist in the team.

If we take a look at the current team, only Michael Clarke is genuinely up to world standard although Ashton Agar has given us some future hope. Siddle & Pattinson are good bowlers, but not great, with both having some control issues and not knowing when & when not to be aggressive and in their face. Haddin is not a 'keepers bootlace yet if you ask anyone, they'll tell you he's the best of a bad bunch. Khawaja, Rogers, Cowan etc all have reasonable techniques but don't have the iron-clad mettle to build a long innings whilst Hughes is just a complete dud with an equally dud technique and footwork.

Basically, we have not been able to replace the gun players of the previous era (it is not something done with ease either) but the players we keep pinning our hopes on are too soft mentally or are too focussed on themselves, not the team (read : Watson).

We have recently seen the players have a hand in former coach Mickey Arthur being sacked with Watson's sooky-la-la attitude being central to it all. There is a culture within the playing ranks that is in complete contrast to that of yesteryear whereby the players did what was expected of them and didn't quibble about being pushed harder to achieve greater heights. They had genuine character and lived up to the standards that go with wearing the famous baggy green cap. 

It seems like this behaviour is not only tolerated, it is considered acceptable by many of them too !!

To add insult to injury, the ACB is being run by one James Sutherland who to the best of my knowledge, has not done anything ever to promote the game in this country nor focus on producing better cricketers overall. I say this because I keep getting the online newsletters telling us at grass roots level how well cricket is going in this country yet he is undoubtedly out of touch with reality. Cricket does not have increasing participation levels at all James, sadly, it is on the decrease and by a reasonable amount too. So instead of facing the reality of the situation and making plans to address it, they just put their heads in the sand and say its all good, great work if you can get it I reckon !!

And the ACB itself, it has some serious issues to address for this thing to be turned around and heading in the right direction. It appears to me that it is more and more being run along the lines of what you would get an your local and well-established suburban club with the only difference being that these guys actually get paid for giving their old school buddy a lucrative job or getting their best mate's son into the state squad.

They say the 'fish rots from the head' and if we look at the ACB as a complete entity, this one is past being rotten, it is decrepit. I cannot see any reason for us to return to being a power in world cricket whilst we have lacklustre administration running the game.

With India producing Test quality players as quickly as they do Bollywood movies, we will fall further behind unless we have the right people running the game in this country with a passion & committed drive for success.

Right now, we are fast becoming a national joke and an international embarrassment.      

First thing I'd do is play a few from the A Team now in SA. In an extraordinary low scoring game Doolan made 52, Fawad Ahmed took 8 wickets and Cummins bowled very well. Admittedly against Zimbabwe but we have to start somewhere. The most important Ashes series is the return home series, where the the winner holds the Ashes for 3 years, so use this current series to blood some players.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on July 21, 2013, 09:41:12 pm
The problem is, just like the 80's, development suffered on the back of a superb national team.

Plus, they gave Michael Clarke the captaincy 5 years ago and since then he's been waiting to get it from Punter officially, who was a crap skipper himself.

Clarke is the worst thing to happen to Oz cricket ever.

Clarke is a **** pure and simple and I don't mean a **** when he needs to be, like Alan Border, I mean just a **** every **** day of the week.

screw him, Watson and Haddin (all ****s) off and start again.

You're kidding about Clarke. He's made you look silly quite a few times so I suggest you quit that one while your behind. Especially as he's averaging 52.

As I said, try some blokes from the A Team currently touring SA.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on July 21, 2013, 10:08:05 pm
The administration in this country has focussed on developing players who are best suited to playing 20/20 which does nothing for sustaining or improving a player's technique. Their mindset is all slather and whack because they think they only have 20-overs to bat, instead, they have five days which none of them have been able to completely grasp.

The administration is wrong, the selectors are wrong, the appointment of Clarke as captain was wrong at the time, the balls-up with Mickey Arthur ........... where does it stop ??

We are faced with years of rubbish like we are seeing in England right now because of the ineptness of the current people in control of the game in this country.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 21, 2013, 10:29:17 pm
The problem is, just like the 80's, development suffered on the back of a superb national team.

Plus, they gave Michael Clarke the captaincy 5 years ago and since then he's been waiting to get it from Punter officially, who was a crap skipper himself.

Clarke is the worst thing to happen to Oz cricket ever.

Clarke is a **** pure and simple and I don't mean a **** when he needs to be, like Alan Border, I mean just a **** every **** day of the week.

screw him, Watson and Haddin (all ****s) off and start again.

You're kidding about Clarke. He's made you look silly quite a few times so I suggest you quit that one while your behind. Especially as he's averaging 52.

As I said, try some blokes from the A Team currently touring SA.

Fine play the selfish tool until he fails but he's not a skippers crap hole.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 21, 2013, 10:37:12 pm
The administration in this country has focussed on developing players who are best suited to playing 20/20 which does nothing for sustaining or improving a player's technique. Their mindset is all slather and whack because they think they only have 20-overs to bat, instead, they have five days which none of them have been able to completely grasp.

The administration is wrong, the selectors are wrong, the appointment of Clarke as captain was wrong at the time, the balls-up with Mickey Arthur ........... where does it stop ??

We are faced with years of rubbish like we are seeing in England right now because of the ineptness of the current people in control of the game in this country.


Correct.....you look at Joe Root and he does all the basics right, the technique is good. Bell wont ever be thought of as a great of test cricket yet now has a decent record based on having good technique, when he comes in his bat looks a metre wide and we never look like getting him out.
20/20 cricket is park cricket and produces park cricketers with zero technique.....you watch Hughes bat and his stance is awkward, his back anglesd , never straight, good test bowlers work you out and he has been worked out.

Its fire fighting every series...players in and out of the team with no plan, we used to be the best but now South Africa lead the pack and we are getting beat by a B grade team in England...
Most of us knew that when we picked Haddin we were in trouble and you have to look at the 35 year old Chris Rogers and compare that with the baby faced Joe Root....where is the upside/future in Haddin and Rogers. Even Harris is a retro move, bowled well but isnt the future......

If Clarke plays then Watson has to go and so do any of his faction unless that want follow orders and back the skipper......you cant have unrest in the camp unless you have Bradman like players who can perform on the field even if they dont get on with each other off the field and Watson aint no Bradman.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 22, 2013, 08:43:54 am
Clarke is good... once he gets a start, but he has always been a risky conveyance when batting.  That was his real issue before his golden run... lots of pretty 30's and not a lot of conversion into real scores.  When he fixed that issue, he became decent.

Agree with the above. Piss off Watson and all his mates, go back to ground zero with the batting and pick kids with technique.  There must be some around.  Joe Burns?    Nick Maddinson?

Adam Voges, although older, is another I'd look at for a cool head and a touch of experience, plus I'd be looking at Paine as well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on July 22, 2013, 09:26:15 am
Sack Sutherland.

This whole problem is a result of that weak c#%t bending over for the Indians.
Tell em to take their cash and shove it up their ass.

No more champions league trophy prior to a Test Series

Pick a 16 man squad for Test and one day cricket. Proper cricketers, not Glen Maxwell, X Doherty or Clint McKay. Guys who might become champions of the long game.

Fark off the BIG BASH crap.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on July 22, 2013, 09:58:11 am
You cant have unrest in the camp unless you have Bradman like players who can perform on the field even if they dont get on with each other off the field and Watson aint no Bradman.

Watson is the Kevin Rudd of the Australian cricket team and must go. Time for the selectors to show some bloody teeth and get ruthless, no more pandering to selfish individuals who put themselves ahead of the team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on July 22, 2013, 10:11:53 am
Bird must be played...... bizarre that he wasn't for this Test.

Watson must be dropped - can't get rewarding the carpola he produces...... fly in another 19 YO IF THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT....

Does Rogers get another go after that deplorable effort?

Way too many NSW guys in the team too. Smith? Meh?

Hughes - double meh.......Shaun Marsh is 6 times the player Hughes could ever be......

Voges? D. Hussey?

Mike Hussey saw the writing in the wall i reckon.

Is Clarke as Captain the problem?!!  ???
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on July 22, 2013, 11:52:42 am
Bird must be played...... bizarre that he wasn't for this Test.

Watson must be dropped - can't get rewarding the carpola he produces...... fly in another 19 YO IF THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT....

Does Rogers get another go after that deplorable effort?

Way too many NSW guys in the team too. Smith? Meh?

Hughes - double meh.......Shaun Marsh is 6 times the player Hughes could ever be......

Voges? D. Hussey?

Mike Hussey saw the writing in the wall i reckon.

Is Clarke as Captain the problem?!!  ???

Don't start me on the NSW thingy, despite the team problems they are not the only cause, they just started the stone rolling down a very slippery slope! And I won't even start on NSW Cricket's alleged links to the MCC manipulating player placement in County Cricket!

How to become a Australian Test player;

 - Be born, play or move to NSW.
 - Be a distant cousin, nephew or relative of a past NSW state or test player.
 - Hack 50 runs off 20 balls in some limited over rubbish on a back block in Mudgee or similar off the radar location.
 - Rip open the brown paper bag they delivered when your mum brought you home from hospital!

When Sheffield Shield Cricket died, Australian Test cricket became gravely ill!

Now we breed hacks courtesy of the big bash!

PS.  Further to my hack statement, the juniors I sometimes help to coach tell me that David Warner and Phil Hughes are "Classical Batsmen." That says something about where our national sport is heading!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on July 22, 2013, 03:32:16 pm
Have been talking this morning with friends about the parlous state of Australian cricket when one of them brought up two more incidents that I'd forgotten about.

The first was Mike Hussey's retirement and the party amongst the players that got hijacked by Clarke & Watson who wanted to go on Packer's boat. Hussey stated he didn't want a big fanfare, a few beers in the change-rooms with the lads would suffice. Packer offered his boat for the shindig so Clarke decides that it is a ACB sanctioned event that all players had to attend, however, some of them (including Hussey & Pattinson) refused to go.

What this event did was put a huge wedge in the playing group and unnecessarily divided it virtually permanently.

The other was the poor handling of Simon Katich and his selection in the team and then his unceremonious dumping etc. It was all woefully childish and smacked of 'jobs for the boys'.

Australian cricket needs a huge enema to cleanout the crap stuck in the middle of it.

Time to rebuild the actual playing squad from the ground up, be prepared to cop some beltings whilst the young guys perfect their craft and only then will we be back on par with the rest of the world leaders in the game.

    
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 23, 2013, 10:14:21 pm
Sack Sutherland.

This whole problem is a result of that weak c#%t bending over for the Indians.
Tell em to take their cash and shove it up their ass.

No more champions league trophy prior to a Test Series

Pick a 16 man squad for Test and one day cricket. Proper cricketers, not Glen Maxwell, X Doherty or Clint McKay. Guys who might become champions of the long game.

Fark off the BIG BASH crap.

If they (CA) are serious about getting back the Ashes, they would cancel the frigging OD series vs India that's been slotted in between the two series !......get ALL the players back in Australia & tell them they ALL MUST play every single shield game (at least 3-4)  before the 1st Test in Brisbane.......Test team to be picked on performances in these games.

You reckon that'll ever happen ?

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on July 23, 2013, 11:24:36 pm


If they (CA) are serious about getting back the Ashes, they would cancel the frigging OD series vs India that's been slotted in between the two series !......get ALL the players back in Australia & tell them they ALL MUST play every single shield game (at least 3-4)  before the 1st Test in Brisbane.......Test team to be picked on performances in these games.

You reckon that'll ever happen ?

How good would that be. For added effect they should play shield in convict threads!

Lets get back to basics.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 23, 2013, 11:27:25 pm
Sack Sutherland.

This whole problem is a result of that weak c#%t bending over for the Indians.
Tell em to take their cash and shove it up their ass.

No more champions league trophy prior to a Test Series

Pick a 16 man squad for Test and one day cricket. Proper cricketers, not Glen Maxwell, X Doherty or Clint McKay. Guys who might become champions of the long game.

Fark off the BIG BASH crap.

If they (CA) are serious about getting back the Ashes, they would cancel the frigging OD series vs India that's been slotted in between the two series !......get ALL the players back in Australia & tell them they ALL MUST play every single shield game (at least 3-4)  before the 1st Test in Brisbane.......Test team to be picked on performances in these games.

You reckon that'll ever happen ?


Good point.....but it wont happen...IPL and its spin offs have ruined test cricket...players like Chris Gayle started the rot by giving test cricket the finger and going for the money.
The only Aus player not really playing IPL has been Clarke and he has been the only Aus player to produce in recent years.....once you get bozo's like Glen Maxwell playing test cricket you know we have hit rock bottom.
IPL playing cricketers wouldnt be at the top of my selection list either, obviously you dont ignore the real champs like Steyn, Dhoni, Clarke, Cook, Smith etc who produce in all forms of cricket but I would be sending a message that bit part IPL players are not test cricketers and wont ever get picked in test squads..
An example would be Agar..if he decided to play IPL then I would be telling him you wont be playing for Australia....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on July 24, 2013, 06:33:55 pm
Bird must be played...... bizarre that he wasn't for this Test.

Watson must be dropped - can't get rewarding the carpola he produces...... fly in another 19 YO IF THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT....

Does Rogers get another go after that deplorable effort?

Way too many NSW guys in the team too. Smith? Meh?

Hughes - double meh.......Shaun Marsh is 6 times the player Hughes could ever be......

Voges? D. Hussey?

Mike Hussey saw the writing in the wall i reckon.

Is Clarke as Captain the problem?!!  ???

Unfortunately Watson is our leading run scorer amongst the top 6 right now and he bowls too. That's not saying anything though as he's averaging 27 for the series. Not necessarily disagreeing but our choices are that bad. At least he half looks like it out there...until he gets his front pad out too far, plays across the line and is LBW. Needs to fix that big time.

Rogers. I think if he gets a score will  be on  his way. 

As I said in  the other thread, get Klinger out of County cricket and Doolan over from South Africa and bat then 3 and 4. Blokes that will put their heads down. Get Fawad and Cummins over from South Africa too, the latter replacing Pattinson. Bat Warner at 6 and hope (being the operative word) he can change a game like Gilchrist sometimes.

Again, as I said on the other thread, we miss Hussey like you wouldn't believe. We're realising now how much he covered the @rse of the batting line up. Often he and Clarke turned 3/40 into 500 with strong resistance from the tail. Now it gets to 6 and just collapses until a 10th wicket stand bails us out.

Maybe try this 12...

Watson
Rogers
Klinger
Doolan
Clarke
Warner
Haddin/Wade
Siddle
Harris
Fawad
Bird
Cummins

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 24, 2013, 06:56:58 pm
The problem CA now has is the selectors have got well and truly behind this group, but have now changed coach.

Don't forget the big part of Mickey Arthurs accepting the job was he was going to be a selector and I suspect his assessment of the players, their strengths and weaknesses and what they can do to improve, went a long way selecting this touring party.


Now we have Boof, he might have a completely different assessment of the same group of players but he has (quite rightly IMO) publicly backed the 18 we have in England.

But really, what choice did he have? Two weeks out from the biggest series in cricket, he can't start questioning these guys ability without the whole house of cards falling down.

it's a fine line. I would love to see the kids given a shot and 3 full tests to cement their spot, but is the best method to put the acid on the top 6 and basically say "it doesn't matter who you are, what your contract status, how many soft drinks your face sell, make runs or you are gone".

Do we play nice with our young kids or just become bloody ruthless with the squad we have and keep being ruthless until someone stands up.?

Tricky.



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 24, 2013, 10:27:40 pm
Rogers is 35 and too old......we need to develop a younger opener who has a sound technique and thats not Warner or Hughes either.
Jordan Silk is a player who I would develop like England have done with Joe Root, good fielder as well......troublemakers like Warner, Watson etc would be finished at test level if it was me coaching/selecting and it would a few years of pain developing a young team but what we have at the moment is a fire fighting band aid approach that wont ever deliver long term sustained success.

I actually think Khawaja and Silk might be a decent opening combo....the former has a sound technique but doesnt have enough shots for me to bat at No 3 and can get bogged down but has the ability to grind and apply himself .

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on July 25, 2013, 12:12:45 pm
I too would go with Silk and Maddinson as a start. Time for a complete re-build. Others in the frame include Doolan and Burns for top 6 batting spots with either Wade or my preferred option Paine as the keeper for the Aus summer. Cant include Shaun Marsh until he does more IMO. Id like bats who can field preferably too, particularly those that can cathc in the slips and gully would be at the top of my list.

Those to go for me would be - Haddin, Rogers, Hughes, Warner, Watson and Cowan.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on July 25, 2013, 07:53:16 pm
 ::)
Sack Sutherland.

This whole problem is a result of that weak c#%t bending over for the Indians.
Tell em to take their cash and shove it up their ass.

No more champions league trophy prior to a Test Series

Pick a 16 man squad for Test and one day cricket. Proper cricketers, not Glen Maxwell, X Doherty or Clint McKay. Guys who might become champions of the long game.

Fark off the BIG BASH crap.

If they (CA) are serious about getting back the Ashes, they would cancel the frigging OD series vs India that's been slotted in between the two series !......get ALL the players back in Australia & tell them they ALL MUST play every single shield game (at least 3-4)  before the 1st Test in Brisbane.......Test team to be picked on performances in these games.

You reckon that'll ever happen ?



Ah, you're a funny man Mal, do you really think that CA would really use that much common sense?!!   ::) ;)

As they say, common sense isn't common any more......
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: tex on July 25, 2013, 07:57:20 pm
ffs its a business not a sport.
India has the coin. You think CA care about making champions?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 17, 2013, 10:56:28 am
R.I.P
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Zed on October 17, 2013, 11:10:02 am
Wow.  How did we lose that? 

Takes me back to our brilliant efforts in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in both our games against the cheating Scum this year.  Well done CA!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 17, 2013, 02:59:48 pm
Ponting has annointed Steve Smith as the next test captain.........the cupboard is officially bare in terms of captaincy options.... :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Zed on October 17, 2013, 03:05:58 pm
In that case, I'll put my hand up for it. Can't bat, pretty poor bowler too but good in the field... and willing to have a crack at Lara Bingle.  Do I get the job?  >:D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 17, 2013, 03:24:46 pm
... and willing to have a crack at Lara Bingle.

There are soooooo many puns and innuendos that go with this statement that I dare not start them!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 17, 2013, 03:27:49 pm
In that case, I'll put my hand up for it. Can't bat, pretty poor bowler too but good in the field... and willing to have a crack at Lara Bingle.  Do I get the job?  >:D

Zed ...You were going alright until you mentioned Lara Bingle.....the ACB are actually hoping to appoint someone who hasnt had a crack at Lara Bingle and so far have failed to receive an application... ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on October 17, 2013, 04:26:17 pm
Ponting has annointed Steve Smith as the next test captain.........the cupboard is officially bare in terms of captaincy options.... :o

Smith would probably make a great skipper, but I worry about his technique.

Footwork non-existent against the quicks and plays a good foot and a half too far away from his body and gets worse the better he's hitting them.

A lot of eye players do this and then, when their form leaves them, they don't have the technique to battle back.

He needs to see some tape of early S Waugh and early D Martin compared to the latter stages of their career to see the changes they made, it's the only tape he'll need to watch.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 17, 2013, 04:50:45 pm
Australian crickets downhill slide started with the Steve Waugh captaincy.  Waugh, as good a cricketer as he was, was an ordinary captain and was basically allowed to pick his own side in a era full of serious talent, without any regard whatsoever to the future.

We are stuck recycling the left overs with blokes like Johnston and Haddin, when they should have been sorted out long ago and in themselves we should see blokes helping build the next generation of players not blocking their progress.

Further players like Smith, Warner and  Hughes were anointed before they could even hold a bat. Technically they are closer to hacks than batsmen, and it shows in their highly variable output which is the nicest way I can put it! No other argument is required and no valid defense can be made except it is the way it is.

Australian cricket will not start it rebuild until the ACB breaks the stranglehold NSW Cricket with it's MCC connections have over Australia's 1st class cricketers. That collaboration has become a boat anchor stalling our progress, and now the Indian BCC chips away at the foundations by turning every promising opposition test player into an ax wielding maniac, while they pay their own superstars to limit their exposure to the short forms of the game.

In the meantime more and more talented but disillusioned young cricketers leave the sport. After years of success and promise at junior levels they see no hope in penetrating the nepotistic system that controls Australian cricket and ruins careers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 17, 2013, 04:53:57 pm
Ponting has annointed Steve Smith as the next test captain.........the cupboard is officially bare in terms of captaincy options.... :o

Smith would probably make a great skipper, but I worry about his technique.

Footwork non-existent against the quicks and plays a good foot and a half too far away from his body and gets worse the better he's hitting them.

A lot of eye players do this and then, when their form leaves them, they don't have the technique to battle back.

He needs to see some tape of early S Waugh and early D Martin compared to the latter stages of their career to see the changes they made, it's the only tape he'll need to watch.

I dont regard him as a fixture in the team and as you suggest he has little technique and IMO is a slogger who has to get lucky to make runs....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Baggers on October 17, 2013, 05:19:46 pm
It was interesting that before the run-chase Border and his buddies hinted that on their own dung heap and with nothing to lose these blokes were a real chance.

There is a certain softness with our blokes which is going to take Boof a while to turn around. Can't think of a better bloke to do it, though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 17, 2013, 08:37:00 pm
Australian crickets downhill slide started with the Steve Waugh captaincy.  Waugh, as good a cricketer as he was, was an ordinary captain and was basically allowed to pick his own side in a era full of serious talent, without any regard whatsoever to the future.

We are stuck recycling the left overs with blokes like Johnston and Haddin, when they should have been sorted out long ago and in themselves we should see blokes helping build the next generation of players not blocking their progress.

Further players like Smith, Warner and  Hughes were anointed before they could even hold a bat. Technically they are closer to hacks than batsmen, and it shows in their highly variable output which is the nicest way I can put it! No other argument is required and no valid defense can be made except it is the way it is.

Australian cricket will not start it rebuild until the ACB breaks the stranglehold NSW Cricket with it's MCC connections have over Australia's 1st class cricketers. That collaboration has become a boat anchor stalling our progress, and now the Indian BCC chips away at the foundations by turning every promising opposition test player into an ax wielding maniac, while they pay their own superstars to limit their exposure to the short forms of the game.

In the meantime more and more talented but disillusioned young cricketers leave the sport. After years of success and promise at junior levels they see no hope in penetrating the nepotistic system that controls Australian cricket and ruins careers.


 I blame John Buchanan...he was endorsed by Waugh because he would do what he was told and be a yes man to everything Tugga wanted including picking his mates and continuing the NSW mafia led dominance of team selection. We ended up with this inner circle of players who controlled the game, sure we had success but it has cost us down the track with the boys club legacy living on.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Baggers on October 17, 2013, 08:44:52 pm
Australian crickets downhill slide started with the Steve Waugh captaincy.  Waugh, as good a cricketer as he was, was an ordinary captain and was basically allowed to pick his own side in a era full of serious talent, without any regard whatsoever to the future.

We are stuck recycling the left overs with blokes like Johnston and Haddin, when they should have been sorted out long ago and in themselves we should see blokes helping build the next generation of players not blocking their progress.

Further players like Smith, Warner and  Hughes were anointed before they could even hold a bat. Technically they are closer to hacks than batsmen, and it shows in their highly variable output which is the nicest way I can put it! No other argument is required and no valid defense can be made except it is the way it is.

Australian cricket will not start it rebuild until the ACB breaks the stranglehold NSW Cricket with it's MCC connections have over Australia's 1st class cricketers. That collaboration has become a boat anchor stalling our progress, and now the Indian BCC chips away at the foundations by turning every promising opposition test player into an ax wielding maniac, while they pay their own superstars to limit their exposure to the short forms of the game.

In the meantime more and more talented but disillusioned young cricketers leave the sport. After years of success and promise at junior levels they see no hope in penetrating the nepotistic system that controls Australian cricket and ruins careers.


 I blame John Buchanan...he was endorsed by Waugh because he would do what he was told and be a yes man to everything Tugga wanted including picking his mates and continuing the NSW mafia led dominance of team selection. We ended up with this inner circle of players who controlled the game, sure we had success but it has cost us down the track with the boys club legacy living on.

Sound familiar?  >:D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on October 18, 2013, 12:11:52 pm
Ponting has annointed Steve Smith as the next test captain.........the cupboard is officially bare in terms of captaincy options.... :o

More likely Bailey to debut soon as captain in his first test. And yes I am serious. And no I am not happy writing this.

And yes we are in an appalling state re: cricket.

Batsmen are only averaging mid 30's at state level, you can't expect any better at test level.

Our era of mediocrity.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 18, 2013, 01:29:57 pm
I blame John Buchanan...he was endorsed by Waugh because he would do what he was told and be a yes man to everything Tugga wanted including picking his mates and continuing the NSW mafia led dominance of team selection. We ended up with this inner circle of players who controlled the game, sure we had success but it has cost us down the track with the boys club legacy living on.

You are probably right EB1, no doubt Waugh alone could not have been a problem without some administrative bungling.

Buchanan's heavily biased statistical approach identifies good form but it also exposes a problem. If all you care about is the stats, and you spend all day looking at them, you can miss the cliff you are approaching!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Phillipwh on October 18, 2013, 07:21:10 pm
My comment on Australian Cricket is
NO COMMENT
They neglect Shield Cricket which develops the class,
and waste our time with overseas players and overpaid players in pyjama game
I won't take an interest this year
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on October 18, 2013, 08:05:58 pm
My comment on Australian Cricket is
NO COMMENT
They neglect Shield Cricket which develops the class,
and waste our time with overseas players and overpaid players in pyjama game
I won't take an interest this year

It's very obvious to me - Sutherland is a Vlad clone - chase the coin, ignore the grass roots.....

And take plenty of coin personally whilst at it....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 06, 2013, 10:11:59 pm
According to Mark Taylor we should be thinking about Moises Henriques as our next skipper......be nice if Moises could actually get in the test team first and Tubby needs to think about Aus cricket not centering around NSW...

Nice of Warnie to fire up Alistair Cook as well.....well done Warnie...just stick to figuring out which phone to use and which one to hide from Liz and stop coaching from the commentary box.....Cook is boring but he a boring winner and your mate Clarkie needs to get a bit more boring and start winning some tests.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 06, 2013, 10:32:01 pm
According to Mark Taylor we should be thinking about Moises Henriques as our next skipper......be nice if Moises could actually get in the test team first and Tubby needs to think about Aus cricket not centering around NSW...

Nice of Warnie to fire up Alistair Cook as well.....well done Warnie...just stick to figuring out which phone to use and which one to hide from Liz and stop coaching from the commentary box.....Cook is boring but he a boring winner and your mate Clarkie needs to get a bit more boring and start winning some tests.

He is dull but the Pommy MO is to bat long and slow and reduce the chance of losses.

If we don't win at the Gabba we can forget the urn.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gozza on November 06, 2013, 11:38:02 pm
MARVELLOUSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on November 07, 2013, 02:26:25 pm
Our Aus A bowlers are doing a brilliant job of starving the poms middle order of runs.   >:D

Adelaide Oval's new big screen TV's work, just walked past on my lunch walk and they are being tested. The footbridge has a LONG way to go though, anticipating a partial completion for use during the test here, then closed again till its totally finished.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Stock on November 15, 2013, 09:17:55 pm
Our Aus A bowlers are doing a brilliant job of starving the poms middle order of runs.   >:D

Adelaide Oval's new big screen TV's work, just walked past on my lunch walk and they are being tested. The footbridge has a LONG way to go though, anticipating a partial completion for use during the test here, then closed again till its totally finished.
Leave the bridge as is but open in up anyway :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gozza on November 15, 2013, 09:31:52 pm
MARVELLOUSHHHHHHHHHHHH

I don't remember posting this.  ;D 20 to 12 at night too....  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 15, 2013, 11:27:04 pm
Mitchell Johnson needs to perform...he has been hyped up this series bigtime as the destroyer and every Aus player interviewed has him as the messiah.
You just start worrying when teams start talking themselves up..its usually because they dont have the form or skillset to match the opposition and try and use the mental approach to get some sort of edge. Problem is England are not biting and have hardly said a word in anger so far and are just quietly going about their business.

Had to laugh at an article in the Sun where Jimmy Anderson and Michael Clarke has some run in years ago ...Anderson reckons Clarke was being an arrogant knob at some player gathering so he grabbed a batting pad and preceeded to whack Clarke with it....... ???......think I would have grabbed something solid like my bat and returned service to Jimmy who seems an arrogant individual who has got way ahead of himself in terms of where he sit in terms of great Engliish Bowlers...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2013, 01:07:51 pm
Watson out in the last over prior to lunch.  Looks like the this series is going to continue exactly where the last one left off. 

On another note... over rates.... umpires needs to have a chat to Cook and tell him to get on with it.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Zed on November 21, 2013, 01:52:21 pm
And Clarke gone for 1  :o   Ho hum...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 21, 2013, 02:20:00 pm
Warner gone.

4 for 92!

ouch.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 21, 2013, 02:26:14 pm
Some terrible batting from Australia - Warner and the bimbo Watson in particular.....

Watson simply is not a Test batsman.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 21, 2013, 02:27:56 pm
Bailey gone - another unnecessary poke at a ball outside off....

5 for 100.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Tribey72 on November 21, 2013, 02:30:35 pm
Going well isn't it...

They used to have depth...now they talk about depths.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Tribey72 on November 21, 2013, 02:32:28 pm
By the way, it'll be interesting to see if Haddin can put his hand up here.

He's usually responded to tough circumstances by trying to drive at outswingers on the up.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2013, 02:34:03 pm
By the way, it'll be interesting to see if Haddin can put his hand up here.

He's usually responded to tough circumstances by trying to drive at outswingers on the up.

Or pull deliveries that are three feet outside the off stump......
I'm picking Siddle to make some runs....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2013, 02:41:37 pm
Bailey gone - another unnecessary poke at a ball outside off....

5 for 100.

Bailey is our version of Mike Brearley.....good captain material but wont hold his place in the team as a batsman....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: age on November 21, 2013, 03:39:06 pm
Can't beleive it as come to this.  Duds. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Dominator_7 on November 21, 2013, 04:34:30 pm
Its funny how our  national teams in Cricket and Soccer have mirrored each other.
Both relied on the 'same olds' for way too long, and are now paying a heavy price for that.
The same people who the Aussie cricket team treated with arrogance and distain when at the top of the hill, are the same people who are absolutely reveling in our misfortunes now that we re at the bottom. That's why it hurts so much for the Aussies. They ve got the 'but I was the Prom Queen' syndrome.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 21, 2013, 05:34:53 pm
Two of the whipping boys have knuckled down and put on a good partnership.  They need to stick around and put on at least another 100.

The controlled aggression from both Haddin and Johnson looks to be the way to go against the Poms' attack.

Edit: Johnson didn't go on with it but a 50 is a 50.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2013, 09:45:55 pm
Yep, crisis is the best word for it.  May as well pick a pair of openers, a keeper and 8 bowlers and try to chase small(er) totals.

Clarke not fit and clearly so.  If his back is so bad how long can he continue?

Can't believe that Watson still remains an automatic selection.  Based upon what.... potential?  Concentration wobbled prior to lunch and the manner and timing of his dismissal was woeful.

The poms will make 600 in this pitch, if it doesn't rain we could be down 350 runs with two days to go on a turning deck...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2013, 10:27:21 pm
Yep, crisis is the best word for it.  May as well pick a pair of openers, a keeper and 8 bowlers and try to chase small(er) totals.

Clarke not fit and clearly so.  If his back is so bad how long can he continue?

Can't believe that Watson still remains an automatic selection.  Based upon what.... potential?  Concentration wobbled prior to lunch and the manner and timing of his dismissal was woeful.

The poms will make 600 in this pitch, if it doesn't rain we could be down 350 runs with two days to go on a turning deck...


Clarke cant play short pitched bowling......plays like a tail ender and fends off rather than getting inside or swaying out of line.....sore back or not he has to overcome the fear of getting hit or he will continue to be bounced by every test playing nation that has a decent pace attack.
Its was bodyline stuff......

Haddin and Johnson had the advantage of facing Swann and went after him which was good cricket.....we are still in the game and runs on the board is worth something in terms of pressure.
Carberry is new, Root is inexperienced and KP is lacking match practice.....I can see Cook and Bell holding us up but I think we can knock them over for 250.......need to win this test.....their batters will improve with game time and I think Bresnan will really add to their team when he comes back from injury..

I think we will win this test.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2013, 10:30:24 pm
EB... Broad got MJ with a Jaffa but the rest looked like batting suicide or plain old rank shot selection.  Can't see the poms doing that and the chances of us taking 20 wickets on this decks are remote IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 22, 2013, 08:35:55 am
EB... Broad got MJ with a Jaffa but the rest looked like batting suicide or plain old rank shot selection.  Can't see the poms doing that and the chances of us taking 20 wickets on this decks are remote IMO.

I wouldn't even have callled the Clarke one a jaffa just very badly played...... i can't fathom what happens in the heads of our so called batsmen - not much apparently!

I would be chopping Watson pronto and trying anyone else - S. Marsh, Khawaja, Doolan.

Watson is a LIABILITY.

Will he bowl? i doubt it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 22, 2013, 10:09:06 am
Watson simply is not a Test batsman.

How long have I been saying this ??
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 22, 2013, 12:28:44 pm
Watson simply is not a Test batsman.

How long have I been saying this ??

Forget Watson in isolation, our team is not a test team and there in lies the difference!

We pick blokes who play 20/20 well for NSW, England's team is full our dour test cricketers who are prepared to toil for a result and they pick the best regardless of which county they come from!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 22, 2013, 03:32:38 pm
Watson simply is not a Test batsman.

How long have I been saying this ??

Forget Watson in isolation, our team is not a test team and there in lies the difference!

We pick blokes who play 20/20 well for NSW, England's team is full our dour test cricketers who are prepared to toil for a result and they pick the best regardless of which county they come from!

who's bitchin' now.

NOT ME.

eNGLAND 7 FOR 91.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 22, 2013, 03:41:37 pm
who's bitchin' now.

NOT ME.

eNGLAND 7 FOR 91.

You pulled the trigger so early Flyboy, you've pulled it off!

Lets wait and see the wash up at the end of the last test before we create heros from a 2hr session.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 22, 2013, 04:05:02 pm
The poms will make 600 in this pitch, if it doesn't rain we could be down 350 runs with two days to go on a turning deck...
They'll have to bat well in their second dig Prof . . . who'd have thought 8 for at tea  :o

I think it shows that the Poms' batting is as brittle as ours.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: age on November 22, 2013, 04:08:55 pm
Bet Aussies stuff this up.   They have made a habit of it lately,, getting into good positions to win match only to lose.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 22, 2013, 04:35:13 pm
Steady on, there's still plenty of time to choke and fail to not get the chocolates.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 22, 2013, 04:51:37 pm
Finally, a good result but lets see what happens in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 22, 2013, 05:48:01 pm
Like I said..we will win this test......I'm expecting Harris or Johnson to break down though and reckon the Poms will win a test ot two and the series will be drawn.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 22, 2013, 07:40:15 pm
Is any channel showing edited highlights.

In the English series both Fox and 9 had a two hour program but I can't find and FTA or Fox saying they are.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 22, 2013, 08:37:07 pm
I think the weather forecast is diabolical so this could end in a draw.  Not sure why they play tests in Brisbane at this time of year.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on November 22, 2013, 09:07:37 pm
How did we go from getting our arses spanked to spanking the Poms big time ? The pitch didn't really look that special that it would be hard to bat on for some runs. ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Stock on November 22, 2013, 09:20:25 pm
I think the weather forecast is diabolical so this could end in a draw.  Not sure why they play tests in Brisbane at this time of year.
Every time we are on top the bloody weather saves the poms
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 23, 2013, 01:14:50 am
The scoreline is great but we have had a total 'day out' in the field today, every time we got into a position like this over in England someone saved their hide or the weather got them off the hook.

Still to many sub-standard players in our line-up for me to get excited, big third day in store though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 23, 2013, 09:32:56 am
I think the weather forecast is diabolical so this could end in a draw.  Not sure why they play tests in Brisbane at this time of year.
Every time we are on top the bloody weather saves the poms

There are 9 sessions left in this game. Hopefully rain only take 2 or three of them.

Monday looks clear so we still should win.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 23, 2013, 10:44:34 am
EB... Broad got MJ with a Jaffa but the rest looked like batting suicide or plain old rank shot selection.  Can't see the poms doing that and the chances of us taking 20 wickets on this decks are remote IMO.

I wouldn't even have callled the Clarke one a jaffa just very badly played...... i can't fathom what happens in the heads of our so called batsmen - not much apparently!

I would be chopping Watson pronto and trying anyone else - S. Marsh, Khawaja, Doolan.

Watson is a LIABILITY.

Will he bowl? i doubt it.

Won't be dropping our leading run scorer in England in a hurry.  Especially one who can bowl. Won't be replacing him with previous failures like Marsh and Khawaja. Watson at least gets a start, those two  don't even get that. Until you find a replacement, of which there are none, then he stays. Basically it tells us where our batting depth is at present in domestic  cricket.

Doolan looks good but prefer him in ahead of Bailey at no.4 so Clarke can go back to  5.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 23, 2013, 11:38:17 am
EB... Broad got MJ with a Jaffa but the rest looked like batting suicide or plain old rank shot selection.  Can't see the poms doing that and the chances of us taking 20 wickets on this decks are remote IMO.

I wouldn't even have callled the Clarke one a jaffa just very badly played...... i can't fathom what happens in the heads of our so called batsmen - not much apparently!

I would be chopping Watson pronto and trying anyone else - S. Marsh, Khawaja, Doolan.

Watson is a LIABILITY.

Will he bowl? i doubt it.

Won't be dropping our leading run scorer in England in a hurry.  Especially one who can bowl. Won't be replacing him with previous failures like Marsh and Khawaja. Watson at least gets a start, those two  don't even get that. Until you find a replacement, of which there are none, then he stays. Basically it tells us where our batting depth is at present in domestic  cricket.

Doolan looks good but prefer him in ahead of Bailey at no.4 so Clarke can go back to  5.

take out the big score in the dead test and....

oh, he's failed again!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 23, 2013, 10:23:22 pm
We find ourselves in a great position, but the batting scorecard, once again, looks pretty woeful from the top order, save for the 2 centuries.

On Watson... He shouldn't be playing at the moment.
He is not good enough to be in there purely as a batsman, and he can't bowl atm due to fitness issues. Doubtful they will change the side if a win does eventuate, but I wouldn't mind seeing Hughes come back in for Watson.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 23, 2013, 10:28:47 pm
S. Marsh 127 n.o. today against the Vics!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 23, 2013, 11:11:23 pm
On Watson... He shouldn't be playing at the moment.

He shouldn't be playing ever again !!

Lack of consistency, lack of application, pea-heart and a sook.

Are we forgetting what happened recently in India ?? He's not a team player, it's all about him and bugger the rest.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on November 23, 2013, 11:24:00 pm
On Watson... He shouldn't be playing at the moment.

He shouldn't be playing ever again !!

Lack of consistency, lack of application, pea-heart and a sook.

Are we forgetting what happened recently in India ?? He's not a team player, it's all about him and bugger the rest.

Once apon a time he was. That was then. Now he isn't and hasn't been for a while. I just see him as dead weight. That is just me though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 23, 2013, 11:24:27 pm
On Watson... He shouldn't be playing at the moment.

He shouldn't be playing ever again !!

Lack of consistency, lack of application, pea-heart and a sook.

Are we forgetting what happened recently in India ?? He's not a team player, it's all about him and bugger the rest.

Agreed, Watson is simply bad on so many levels.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 23, 2013, 11:45:55 pm
On Watson... He shouldn't be playing at the moment.

He shouldn't be playing ever again !!

Lack of consistency, lack of application, pea-heart and a sook.

Are we forgetting what happened recently in India ?? He's not a team player, it's all about him and bugger the rest.
Once apon a time he was. That was then. Now he isn't and hasn't been for a while. I just see him as dead weight. That is just me though.


He was always dead-weight and grossly over-rated, it's just taken a while for people to realise this fact.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 24, 2013, 12:50:44 am
I am no fan of Watson, but I am even less of a fan of Warner, but he made me eat my hat today. Probably why I was a little reserved in my comments re Watson.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 24, 2013, 09:14:39 am
I am no fan of Watson, but I am even less of a fan of Warner, but he made me eat my hat today. Probably why I was a little reserved in my comments re Watson.

Warner batted well but he continues to be a knob off the field with his comments about Trott being scared etc....one way to play a bloke back into form is to challenge/sledge him in the media and Warner should be told to shut up by the teams management and let things roll along the way they are while the going is good.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 24, 2013, 10:44:23 am
I am no fan of Watson, but I am even less of a fan of Warner, but he made me eat my hat today. Probably why I was a little reserved in my comments re Watson.

If anyone has made anyone eat their hat today, it should have been Clarke.

Good to see him do well but don't flagellate yourself too soon, something tells me he has more than a few feet remaining to stick in his mouth yet! Which leads me to EB1s comment,

Warner batted well but he continues to be a knob off the field with his comments about Trott being scared etc....one way to play a bloke back into form is to challenge/sledge him in the media and Warner should be told to shut up by the teams management and let things roll along the way they are while the going is good.

This bloke is a team destruction time bomb, one half decent innings and he is back preaching to the world like he is Garfield Sobers. What is more the NSW mafia were all over Bailey last night praising Warner's fielding and claiming he was robbed of a runout by Bailey's ineptitude. Yet it is not clear even if the bail remained in place that Cook would have been out, but the GTV9 NSW mafia tried their best to prove it on national TV. In effect they happily used Bailey's potential blunder to pump up Warner's tyres even further, I would not be surprised to find Warner believing the media and confronting Bailey in the rooms after play!

We have not even won a game yet and "they" are working hard to snatch all the glory, which will certainly derail the whole long term process. Although I don't see these first few days as an improvement, more of an aberration.

There are many tests to come!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 24, 2013, 11:37:23 am
Warner gets a hundred and all of a sudden is the doyen of all cricket knowledge ....... FFS !!

Just watch the next Test, don't be expecting back-to-back tons, it won't happen, he'll fail again but everyone will be saying "he got a century in the first Test".

His form line is like a roller-coaster ride, one really good big score following by a lot of coughs and splutters, then another really good score followed by a lot of coughs and splutters.

He is way too inconsistent for me as well as being a 'heart in the mouth' type of player because he approaches every innings like it is a 20/20 slogfest.

All this crap about being a changed man because he has found love with his new squeeze Candace is a furphy too. She is a sports groupie who has been pegged by anyone with a professional contract apart from Cameron Ling. The newspapers up here a few years ago reported that she got zotted by rugby player Sonny-Boy Williams in the toilets of a Sydney nightclub, sounds like a classy woman to me. No doubt this relationship will end in tears and prove beyond doubt that Warner's impatience & poor shot selection isn't just confined to just the playing arena.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Knighter on November 24, 2013, 12:19:57 pm
Happy to see Warner do well. Has the talent just needs to stay focused. The sooner we get rid of Watson the better. His record is poor and is not a top order batsmen at Test level. Prefer to see Doolan at 3. If so, hopefully Faulkner will get the chance to play as a genuine all rounder at 6. Has the talent and that bit of mongrel to be a success.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 24, 2013, 12:28:21 pm
Warner gets a hundred and all of a sudden is the doyen of all cricket knowledge ....... FFS !!

Just watch the next Test, don't be expecting back-to-back tons, it won't happen, he'll fail again but everyone will be saying "he got a century in the first Test".

His form line is like a roller-coaster ride, one really good big score following by a lot of coughs and splutters, then another really good score followed by a lot of coughs and splutters.

He is way too inconsistent for me as well as being a 'heart in the mouth' type of player because he approaches every innings like it is a 20/20 slogfest.

All this crap about being a changed man because he has found love with his new squeeze Candace is a furphy too. She is a sports groupie who has been pegged by anyone with a professional contract apart from Cameron Ling. The newspapers up here a few years ago reported that she got zotted by rugby player Sonny-Boy Williams in the toilets of a Sydney nightclub, sounds like a classy woman to me. No doubt this relationship will end in tears and prove beyond doubt that Warner's impatience & poor shot selection isn't just confined to just the playing arena.

Putting Falzon to one side for a moment , his innings was quite responsible and his footwork to the spinners was particularly good.

Having said that, I agree he's a goose and could just as easily throw his innings away. TBH I reckon he's the kind of guy who gets worse when he's seeing them like watermelons because he plays to many shots.

My main concern is Smith. He's an eye player, footwork is appalling against quality pace. Yes, he'll make scores here and there, but he's suspect and unreliable.

Back to Falzon, she's ok looking I suppose. Apparently Warners lost 8 kegs since being with her so maybe she is a positive influence. She is (was?) a professional athlete in her own right.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 24, 2013, 02:26:43 pm
Warner gets a hundred and all of a sudden is the doyen of all cricket knowledge ....... FFS !!

Just watch the next Test, don't be expecting back-to-back tons, it won't happen, he'll fail again but everyone will be saying "he got a century in the first Test".

His form line is like a roller-coaster ride, one really good big score following by a lot of coughs and splutters, then another really good score followed by a lot of coughs and splutters.

He is way too inconsistent for me as well as being a 'heart in the mouth' type of player because he approaches every innings like it is a 20/20 slogfest.

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Having said that, I agree he's a goose and could just as easily throw his innings away. TBH I reckon he's the kind of guy who gets worse when he's seeing them like watermelons because he plays to many shots.

My main concern is Smith. He's an eye player, footwork is appalling against quality pace. Yes, he'll make scores here and there, but he's suspect and unreliable.

Smith, Warner and Hughes.

See the connection, NSW 20/20 hacks masquerading as test players.

As Sheik mentioned they swing the axe and get one good innings every 5 or 10 and the GTV 9 media pump them up like Bradman.

In reality there are a hundred state level and regional players who show just as much skill as that trio but haven't been given the opportunity! FFS, Smith was recruited as a leg spinner to replace Warne and gave it away to chase the big dollars in the IPL as a batsmen!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 24, 2013, 04:54:19 pm
It's a procession after the rain, they've lost 4/9.

Poms have no backbone or preparedness to show some fight.

Imagine how'd we go if we had 11 Test standard players in the team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Woodstock on November 24, 2013, 06:27:25 pm
It's a procession after the rain, they've lost 4/9.

Poms have no backbone or preparedness to show some fight.

Imagine how'd we go if we had 11 Test standard players in the team.

Lol, curb that Aussie sporting arrogance for now mate ;D

They've been the better test side for a couple of years for a reason.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on November 24, 2013, 06:49:06 pm
It's a procession after the rain, they've lost 4/9.

Poms have no backbone or preparedness to show some fight.

Imagine how'd we go if we had 11 Test standard players in the team.

Lol, curb that Aussie sporting arrogance for now mate ;D

They've been the better test side for a couple of years for a reason.

I agree but what better way to shove it to those smug poms who thought it'd be a 5 zip walk in the park.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 24, 2013, 10:14:41 pm
Kev Pietersen & Ian Bell only contributed 81 runs between them in the two innings of this Test. During the Ashes series in England, they averaged 101.24 between them.

There's a saving of 120 runs right there !!

Graeme Swann in the recent Ashes series in England : 26/755 @ 29.44, the First Test here : 2/215 @ 107.5

Great move to target him, paid big dividends !!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 24, 2013, 10:34:46 pm
Swan = overrated.

Australia have made him look good in the past with poor batting.
Even talk this afternoon as to whether England should drop him in favour of Monty for the Adelaide test. That's probably a bridge too far, but FFS I hope we don't give this guy a break with the usual poor shot selection and lack of patience we have been exhibiting over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 24, 2013, 10:59:05 pm
Swan = overrated.

Australia have made him look good in the past with poor batting.
Even talk this afternoon as to whether England should drop him in favour of Monty for the Adelaide test. That's probably a bridge too far, but FFS I hope we don't give this guy a break with the usual poor shot selection and lack of patience we have been exhibiting over the last couple of years.

Its all about our bowling IMO......our batting is still ordinary and was propped up by the allround efforts of Johnson.....while the latter and Harris have England on the hop with the ball we will continue to dominate but if one of those two get injured or in Johnson's case go back to bowling garbage then England will be back in the contest.

Both Swann and Anderson struggle on Aus wickets where there is little movement and its bowlers like Harris, Johnson and Broad who bend their back get results..... I remain unconvinced about Clarke vs the short pitched stuff as well......he batted in the 2nd dig when the wicket was dead and Broad couldnt get any lift out of the wicket...it wasnt like it was great batting from Clarke IMO, he still looks nervous just like Trott.
There is a youtube video of Clarke vs Steyn and the latter roughing him up with the short ball and Clarke doesnt handle it well at all, he is a bunny vs the bouncer and will continue to be bounced........I'd be dropping myself down to five and getting Doolan in the team...

Hope that wicket in Adelaide is juiced up for our quicks so we can get amongst the Poms again while they have some self doubts..........
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 25, 2013, 12:24:04 am
Brand new drop in pitch, so I can imagine it will be green on the first couple of days and then break up pretty badly day 4 and 5.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Sexybronco on November 25, 2013, 12:31:52 am
Brand new drop in pitch, so I can imagine it will be green on the first couple of days and then break up pretty badly day 4 and 5.

They've come a long way from the early days with drop in pitches, it will be interesting to see if they can maintain the characteristics of the old Adelaide oval pitches which we're a batsmen's paradise. England will be praying they can as they have a proven top six, we would love some bounce as it plays into the ands of our bowlers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 25, 2013, 08:24:13 am
Brand new drop in pitch, so I can imagine it will be green on the first couple of days and then break up pretty badly day 4 and 5.

They've come a long way from the early days with drop in pitches, it will be interesting to see if they can maintain the characteristics of the old Adelaide oval pitches which we're a batsmen's paradise. England will be praying they can as they have a proven top six, we would love some bounce as it plays into the ands of our bowlers.

Gabba pitch was just about perfect......heaven forbid if the softc0cks at the AFL try to put pressure on them to chuck in a drop-in pitch.  You will never get the sort of brillant cricket wicket that Kevin Mitchell produced with a drop-in.  AFL players just need to HTFU.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 25, 2013, 09:08:39 am
Any squealing about doctored pitches?  Sounded like a good test wicket with something in it for everyone.

Hardest fought 4 day win I've seen in a long time, let's just not carried away with things; we won, we're exiited, let's be gracious in victory and well prepared for next week.  It only takes one bad hour to undo all the good work.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 25, 2013, 09:57:19 am
One of my main criticisms (criticisms in the softest of terms, I don't really like doctored pitches) of Australian cricket over the years is that we have never truly embraced the idea of pitches being prepared to suit our strengths. Each state seems to have a style of pitch and that is how the pitch is prepared year in and year out... Woebetied anyone try and tell any of our groundsmen how to prepare a pitch.
Australia is the last nation that could be accused of doctoring pitches.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: townsendcalling on November 25, 2013, 05:41:56 pm
Michael Clarke fined 25% for telling Anderson he was going to have his #%^¥ing arm broken!!

What are we getting to....any race, colour, religion or creed abuse in it?

This is pathetic! Every cricketer in every grade is now on notice, if this is the bar that has been set.  Grow up cricket, even the women sledge harder than that!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Stock on November 25, 2013, 07:36:26 pm
Gee that sledging must have got to Trott.
Gone home with stress related injuries !
( unless of course there's an existing type mental condition we/ I don't know of )
I wonder if Warner knew ?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on November 25, 2013, 08:10:29 pm
Michael Clarke fined 25% for telling Anderson he was going to have his #%^¥ing arm broken!!

What are we getting to....any race, colour, religion or creed abuse in it?

This is pathetic! Every cricketer in every grade is now on notice, if this is the bar that has been set.  Grow up cricket, even the women sledge harder than that!!

Its is getting soft. Do they consider it is a threat on the players well being. Heard it on the news today.
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Post by: Juddkreuzer on November 25, 2013, 08:21:34 pm
If Mitch had broken his arm he wouldn't have copped $hit, but on this occasions words are more dangerous. Mad. :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 25, 2013, 08:37:51 pm
Gee that sledging must have got to Trott.
Gone home with stress related injuries !
( unless of course there's an existing type mental condition we/ I don't know of )
I wonder if Warner knew ?

Dont have a problem with Clarke vs Anderson with what was said...the Englishman is a well known sledger and needler and has to expect to get it back....fining Clarke was pathetic.

Warner vs Trott however I do have a problem...its not like Trott is a sledger or stirrer(hello KP) and what he said was degrading to question Trotts courage considering his record vs Trott's and I have the feeling now Trott has gone home that Warner is going to need ear muffs when he bats because he will cop plenty...and its a shame because he has been batting well and had no need to say anything.

Love the Johnson approach...let the ball do the talking and keep your thoughts to yourself......
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 25, 2013, 09:11:42 pm
The words are being delivered by Warner's mouth but they are coming direct from the Aus team, he's not doing this on his own.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 25, 2013, 09:24:07 pm
The words are being delivered by Warner's mouth but they are coming direct from the Aus team, he's not doing this on his own.

exactly.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on November 25, 2013, 09:29:16 pm
The words are being delivered by Warner's mouth but they are coming direct from the Aus team, he's not doing this on his own.

exactly.

That part reflects on the captain and his attitude towards the English players. You expect tension with international competitions. Merv put a funny spin on it this afternoon stating he said worse than what he has heard with our current players. He also said the players now would never get away with how the players were years ago. I guess there need to be some boundaries, but it isn't chess they are playing. Having said that I saw a chess game on the internet that broke out into a full on brawl once. :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 25, 2013, 09:44:24 pm
The words are being delivered by Warner's mouth but they are coming direct from the Aus team, he's not doing this on his own.

exactly.

That part reflects on the captain and his attitude towards the English players. You expect tension with international competitions. Merv put a funny spin on it this afternoon stating he said worse than what he has heard with our current players. He also said the players now would never get away with how the players were years ago. I guess there need to be some boundaries, but it isn't chess they are playing. Having said that I saw a chess game on the internet that broke out into a full on brawl once. :o

I'd be looking more at BOOF and Rod Marsh.

Marsh would have known a lot of these guys at the English Cricket Academy which he set up.

BOOF isn't that long out of the game and he was a very smart cricketer late in his career and a massive stirrer.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 25, 2013, 11:13:49 pm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-25/jonathan-trott-returns-home-from-ashes-series-due-to-stress/5115796?section=sport

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England batsman Jonathan Trott has returned home from the Ashes series and will not play cricket "for the foreseeable future" due to a "stress-related illness".

The South Africa-born number three has been targeted relentlessly after displaying a vulnerability to short bowling in the recent series in England.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 25, 2013, 11:19:42 pm
It's never nice to hear something like that, and I hope he does ok. I don't particularly like the type of comment Warner made but England have done similar with Clark and the short ball, and there are numerous examples of similar in the past.
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Post by: LordLucifer on November 25, 2013, 11:20:37 pm
You'll enjoy this :

http://www.cricket.com.au/video/Mitch-Johnsons-thunderbolts
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 26, 2013, 12:24:33 am
You'll enjoy this :

http://www.cricket.com.au/video/Mitch-Johnsons-thunderbolts

Enjoyed that.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on November 26, 2013, 09:22:31 am
You'll enjoy this :

http://www.cricket.com.au/video/Mitch-Johnsons-thunderbolts

Love it!!

Imagine if we still had Lee bowling in tandem. Scary stuff indeed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: nathbear on November 26, 2013, 10:02:35 am
Man, sledging is just part of cricket. A great part of cricket. A part that all of us enjoy whether we want to play it 'PC' or not!

It's always aimed just to rattle the opposition psychologically, and most real men can have a laugh and a drink with the blokes they were just sledging almost as soon as they walk off the field.

I once told a batsman that he looked like he'd just eaten half his team mates while I was fielding at short leg. Next ball was short and he pulled it straight at my head. I ducked it, laughed, then bet him 20 cheeseburgers that he couldn't do that again. He tried, got wrapped on the pads, and was given LBW.

He bought me a beer after the game, and I actually did buy him a pie haha.

Another time I was batting and facing the association leading wicket taker. There was a horribly ugly woman berating her children on some play equipment nearby. He bowled me a ripping outswinger that I played and missed at but only just. He made a comment about my lack of footwork (pretty fair, really, it was awful!) to which I replied 'Mate, I'll take care of my footwork when you go take care of your missus' and pointed over to the play equipment. Even his team mates gave him crap over that one, but the next ball was straight at my head again (which was fine, that's cricket!).

Once again, we shared a beer and a laugh after the game.

People need to stop being so damned precious! It's ruining sport, it's ruining cricket, it's making it impossible to be Australian!

Build a bridge! (just don't burn it down, you silly poms!)
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Post by: malo on November 26, 2013, 10:27:10 am
Man, sledging is just part of cricket. A great part of cricket. A part that all of us enjoy whether we want to play it 'PC' or not!

It's always aimed just to rattle the opposition psychologically, and most real men can have a laugh and a drink with the blokes they were just sledging almost as soon as they walk off the field.

I once told a batsman that he looked like he'd just eaten half his team mates while I was fielding at short leg. Next ball was short and he pulled it straight at my head. I ducked it, laughed, then bet him 20 cheeseburgers that he couldn't do that again. He tried, got wrapped on the pads, and was given LBW.

He bought me a beer after the game, and I actually did buy him a pie haha.

Another time I was batting and facing the association leading wicket taker. There was a horribly ugly woman berating her children on some play equipment nearby. He bowled me a ripping outswinger that I played and missed at but only just. He made a comment about my lack of footwork (pretty fair, really, it was awful!) to which I replied 'Mate, I'll take care of my footwork when you go take care of your missus' and pointed over to the play equipment. Even his team mates gave him crap over that one, but the next ball was straight at my head again (which was fine, that's cricket!).

Once again, we shared a beer and a laugh after the game.

People need to stop being so damned precious! It's ruining sport, it's ruining cricket, it's making it impossible to be Australian!

Build a bridge! (just don't burn it down, you silly poms!)

hey Nathbear, yeah I agree that sledging is part of cricket, but unfortunately the last season I played, it was not clever or funny sledging that made up most of it. It was just abuse. I'd had a few years off & decided to play one last season before family comittments meant that dedicating most of my weekend to cricket was not possible......& I couldn't believe in the time I'd been out of the game, the increase in the amount of verbals...and mostly coming from the young guys (late teens) playing in the higher grades.  The worst thing about this was that after the game, all these kids either jump in their cars, or get their Mummy or Daddy to pick them up & p!ssed off stright after the match......none of them stick around for a beer with the oppo anymore & therefore there's no opportunity to have a laugh about on-field stuff & consequently you have no respect for them next time you play them.

This is the main problem with cricket in Australia, particularly at the higher grade level.  There's very few of the older guys sticking around club cricket anymore teaching the young blokes how to play & how to behave on field & off. 

I still miss playing like you wouldn't believe....but I don't miss the moronic, witless cr@p than seems to go with it now.

cheers

Mal.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 26, 2013, 11:08:23 am
Sledging if its clever and witty is ok but you dont know how some players will react on and off the field...had a incident in a sub district 2nds  game I was playing where things were said and one of the parties challenged the other to repeat it off the field.....it ended up in a fist fight in the car park with a few players involved. The aggrieved player wouldnt let it go either and on the return match wanted another piece of our player and after contact on the pitch and more push and shove we decided our bloke had best go home a bit early to avoid more car park stoushes.



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 26, 2013, 11:15:47 am
Firstly, on the sledging side of things. I've never been a big fan of it, usually the act of players who are out of his depth trying to find some way to drag opponents down. I've always viewed it as a compliment, once they start the sledging you know you have the better of them!

I'd rather let the bat or ball do my talking.

On the pace bowling side of things, some of the current blokes mouthing off need to be sent back in time to face the West Indies or Lillee and Thompson. Most modern bowlers are so over-rated because the majority of batsmen that they are bowling to are not much more than 20/20 hacks. If they were bowling to Viv Richards, Clive Lloyd or Doug Walters they would be ducking balls being driven at their head! Can you imagine Richards using a modern bat, FFS it would be homicide????
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on November 26, 2013, 11:21:03 am
From Wiki

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There is debate in the cricketing world as to whether this constitutes poor sportsmanship or good-humoured banter. Sledging is often mistaken for abuse, and whilst comments aimed as sledges do sometimes cross the line into personal abuse, this is not usually the case. Sledging is usually simply an often humorous, sometimes insulting attempt at distraction.

Even in Clarke's case I don't think it constitutes personal abuse. Definitely lacks wit and is a poor image to the kids who hold him in regard as Captain of Australia. Clarkes fine should have been more along the lines of inappropriate behaviour that brings disrepute to the position of Captain of the Australian cricket side.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 26, 2013, 11:38:40 am
I used to open the batting, one day i've played a rather unorthodox shot off the opening bowler, absolutely nailed it and deposited him for 6 over midwicket. The next ball he has dug it in, i've lost sight of it and he has pinged one into my helmet. That was the end of the over and i started to wander down the pitch to have a chat to my partner, the bowler was hanging around giving me the evil eye. I've gone with "what's the matter sook, haven't you been hit for 6 before?", to which he replied "not by someone as sh1t as you!". Had to pay that!







Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 26, 2013, 12:35:56 pm
I've been in three fights as an adult (not counting work).

Two of them were playing cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gozza on November 26, 2013, 12:50:57 pm
I've been in three fights as an adult (not counting work).

Two of them were playing cricket.

I've been in heaps of punch ups.  ;D Most of them were after 11 at night.  ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 26, 2013, 01:08:27 pm
I've been in three fights as an adult (not counting work).

Two of them were playing cricket.

I'd say that any physical contact in cricket is crossing a major line.  But on the other hand, if your sister is smashing you all over the backyard...
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Post by: nathbear on November 26, 2013, 02:49:09 pm
Haha I've been chased around by a guy who pulled a stump out of the ground and had to intervene when an opposition player attacked another guy on my team, but other than those two incidents I haven't been involved in serious violence on a cricket field.

The latter incident involved the leading run scorer in the association attacking the captain of my team, it ended up at the tribunal at Cricket Queensland and the player in question was suspended for a year, with the captain of his team copping 3 matches and a couple other players on their team being suspended also. I think one of ours copped a suspended sentence, but that was it. They ended up pulling out of the finals, which gave us a bye in the first round due to forfeit and we went on the win an A-Grade Grand Final in a canter.

Sledging will always hold a dear place in my heart :P
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: c4e on November 26, 2013, 03:29:23 pm
I guess the Auzzie cricketers haven't had an opportunity in recent times to sledge. I mean what's the point of sledging when your team is copping a flogging. Just makes you look like a bigger dick
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 26, 2013, 04:53:06 pm
Haha I've been chased around by a guy who pulled a stump out of the ground and had to intervene when an opposition player attacked another guy on my team, but other than those two incidents I haven't been involved in serious violence on a cricket field.
So are you and Fatprick Smith still friends?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 26, 2013, 08:30:24 pm
I've been in three fights as an adult (not counting work).

Two of them were playing cricket.

I'd say that any physical contact in cricket is crossing a major line.  But on the other hand, if your sister is smashing you all over the backyard...

She played a mean cover drive but no wasn't her.

They were both the result of a few seasons of really close and spiteful games.

Not sure why but the animosity was deep and wide. Funny thing is all these years later I quite like most of them and we laugh about the "almost" brawls, I think we all recognize we were being stupid.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 05, 2013, 02:47:25 pm
Warner's failure today highlights the reasons behind my opinion that he is a goose who is not suited to test match cricket!  ::)

On this pitch, with a bit of good weather, there might be very few dismissals!

If Roger's can get settled he might bat through the match!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 05, 2013, 03:19:28 pm
Warner's failure today highlights the reasons behind my opinion that he is a goose who is not suited to test match cricket!  ::)

On this pitch, with a bit of good weather, there might be very few dismissals!

If Roger's get settled he might bat through the match!

Agreed LP, Warner is not a Test player, ditto the bimbo (Watson) for that matter.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 05, 2013, 04:21:20 pm
Warner's failure today highlights the reasons behind my opinion that he is a goose who is not suited to test match cricket!  ::)

On this pitch, with a bit of good weather, there might be very few dismissals!

If Roger's get settled he might bat through the match!

Agreed LP, Warner is not a Test player, ditto the bimbo (Watson) for that matter.

On another forum I was having an argument about Warner and Watson. Some jerk was trying to tell me Warner was OK using Watson's dismissal as a relative measure. But I had to argue comparing one nuffa with another only makes a double nuffa.
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Post by: Professer E on December 05, 2013, 04:27:18 pm
More evidence today that Watson has a concentration issue... so often gets out after batting for two hours... or just after making a milestone.  Simply doesn't go on with the job and that's the difference between 250 all out and 400.

Don't get me started on Smith.  Batsmen who get out in the last over before breaks should be dropped.  Idiotic stuff.

If Clarke isn't batting at stumps I'd be worried, very worried.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Baggers on December 05, 2013, 04:27:27 pm
Our batting really is average, at best. Clarke is about the only legitimate test batsman. Everyone else seems brittle.

If Johnson has an average match we might be in strife... on a good batting wicket, as Adelaide just about always is.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 05, 2013, 04:30:32 pm
Our batting woud have to improve to be average... it is simply awful. 

Our recent record in Adelaide is woeful because we can't bat for the required long periods and we can't take wickets there.

Par is 400+ here, otherwise we are in more trouble than the early settlers.
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Post by: Mantis on December 05, 2013, 08:36:42 pm
Watched some of the game today and was surprised at how even the pitch is. Nothing really for the bowlers to work with. Watch most players get a start and then go when they should be pounding on the runs to score a century. I thought Warne had a simple answer to the batting. Concentrate. Take a few overs to settle in and then concentrate on what you are doing. Warner, lazy stroke, Watson falling asleep and I won't even touch the others.
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Post by: laj on December 06, 2013, 02:53:47 pm
Nice to see a good general batting contribution this innings. 4 half centuries (one still unbeaten), a century, Warner got a start and looked good at least. Smith's been the only failure. Just looked worse yesterday with the two half century makers going out in  consecutive overs, and Smith going out not long after.
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Post by: DJC on December 06, 2013, 07:26:09 pm
I think that a lot of credit for the team's improved performance has to go to Boof.

He seems to have disposed of the sports science approach to the game and is hammering the requirement to play aggressively.  The players are sticking to the game plan and, for the most part, they seem to be benefiting from Boof's approach to the game.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 06, 2013, 08:27:56 pm
Clarke and Haddin did well to get the Aussie score right up there. It just looked at one stage as though every player would get a start but no go on with the job. Mind you the Poms didn't help themselves one bit. Dropped Clarke early and dropped Haddin a few times. not to mention to have Haddin caught behind on a "No Ball". They couldn't buy a wicket at one stage. Not sure if the Australian team has improved as much as the English players have been quite pathetic over the last 2 days. probably as bad as I have seen them for quite some time. Better we teach them how to hold catches over the next few days. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 06, 2013, 10:32:19 pm
Clarke and Haddin did well to get the Aussie score right up there. It just looked at one stage as though every player would get a start but no go on with the job. Mind you the Poms didn't help themselves one bit. Dropped Clarke early and dropped Haddin a few times. not to mention to have Haddin caught behind on a "No Ball". They couldn't buy a wicket at one stage. Not sure if the Australian team has improved as much as the English players have been quite pathetic over the last 2 days. probably as bad as I have seen them for quite some time. Better we teach them how to hold catches over the next few days. ;)

Maybe I'm being too generous Mantis but I reckon the aggressive cricket from our boys is largely responsible for the Poms' errors.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 07, 2013, 09:30:01 pm
DJC, I completely agree with you. In fact Shane Warne has commented a few times how passive the Poms have looked in this test. No aggressive field setting and playing to defend the boundaries. Not setting fields to take wickets. Little risk equals little rewards. The Aussies have been pro-active rather than reactive and their intimidation with verbal sprays has had an impact on the mentality of the Englishmen. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 07, 2013, 10:07:56 pm
I think that a lot of credit for the team's improved performance has to go to Boof.

Undoubtedly. Boof has got them playing as a team that has a steely determination to earn the respect of the cricket world. I think it comes down to his no bull$hit approach and his ability to connect as one of the boys. His appointment couldn't have been more timely.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Raydan on December 08, 2013, 08:02:24 am
I have a renewed interest in cricket, and it's not just cause we're on top at the moment, it's the way the team is playing. Honest, aggressive, give it all cricket that I've grown up with.

I love Mitch Johnson's stare at Anderson after the wicket, he didn't have to say anything. In that stare so many unsaid words were spoken; I'm better than you, you can't handle me, bowl that crap to me and I'll put it back over your head.......

England don't have the luxury of doctored pitches that allow Swann to rip through the team, they don't have the luxury of of the Duke ball that swings 20-30cms, but more importantly we are playing like winners and like a TEAM!

The old adage that catches win matches shines though again. Compare the Bailey juggle to Carberry's one the difference is that Pietersen has to go and Haddin goes on to make a century. Compare Roots drop of a hard and low chance off Clarke to Warners catch of a full blooded pull off Carberry. That right there could be the game in those two balls.

The you look at the spearheads Anderson who looks limp compared to Johnson. With no swing Anderson is just a line and length bowler with no real tricks. Johnson can swing the ball too but with no swing, he's gone back to old school bowling soften them up with a few then maybe a wild one wide or a ball with some heat straight down the line and let the pitch do the work for you.

Boof and Billy have got this team purring and I'm looking forward to the South Africa tour in February to see if this can be maintained. We have got some serious holes with Rogers, Watson, Smith and Bailey. I'd really like to see Faulkner in there at 6 but he needs to improve his batting, there are young bats about that need to make the next step and quickly 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 08, 2013, 09:02:49 am
I'd be much happier if Watson weren't in the team.

Overrated flatters this guy...... big time.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on December 08, 2013, 10:23:03 am
5-0 to the Aussies... Poms won't last 3 days in Perth.

They don't look like they have any plan to Johnson, I don't think they were expecting Good Mitch to turn up (neither was I!). Our bowling is our strength, we still have 3 good young quicks in the wings that can be fed into the team over time.

England will be regretting the back-to-back series... Bresnan injured, Trott mentally exhausted... has really swung the balance of the two teams.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 08, 2013, 07:58:10 pm
Bit too much Mitch Johnson at the end and he got sucked in by some reverse sledging from  Broad who seemed to wind him up after each delivery.
Maybe its a new tactic....batsman sledging bowlers....
Also new boy in Stokes decided he would shoulder Johnson and I thought that looked like he meant it rather than accidental...Stokes is a NZ boy with a rugby dad and maybe thinks he can adopt that stuff on the cricket field but he should get a warning IMO...its not a good look for the game and with all the chat at the end I thought the umpies should have stopped it and issued warnings to both teams to play cricket and forget about having the last word.
Thought Siddle should have got more overs and done more of the monkey work and Johnson used more sparingly but kept fresher so he bowled at full pace with more venom.....

Should wrap up the game before lunch tomorrow providing rain doesnt intervene.....I would have let Warner get a century and then declare....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 08, 2013, 08:34:22 pm
Letting Warner get a century was a no brainer. Makes his CV look better. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gozza on December 09, 2013, 10:09:06 am
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 09, 2013, 10:22:41 am
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR641.loop.shtml#skip (http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR641.loop.shtml#skip)

bit wet over there.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Baggers on December 09, 2013, 10:29:19 am
Watson seems to be the obvious weakest link in this side, with Smith close behind.

Must have been a tough decision to declare thus denying Warner the chance at a century. But I see the strength in such a decision - team before individual. Well done, Boof.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 09, 2013, 10:57:03 am
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

The media have hyped him up as the enforcer and he seems to be wanting to live up to the hype and has got a bit carried away gobbing off at batsman.
I prefer the eye contact only  and walk back to the bowling mark Johnson, when he gets tangled up with players like Broad and Stokes his bowling suffers and
if was Clarke I woud have taken him off and settled him down.
Its a bit of an ugly look for the game as well with all the mouthing off and posturing going on.....smart sledging is fine but we have a got a bit of the ugly Australian happening and it wouldnt surprise me to see a bit of push and shove between some of the players if it keeps happening.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 09, 2013, 11:05:50 am
I think Smith is much better value when he bowls and the wicket assists his bowling. He needs to bowl more because he is an ordinary middle order batsmen at best.

I think we have too many Calypso types, Warner, Watson, Smith,  and Haddin are all just as likely to make zero as they are to make a hundred. When they do well it pays off, but when they don't it is a write off, they are often an all or nothing bet. It can be good to watch, good for TV, but it is not good cricket.

I have always thought cricket is mostly about staying in the game until the end, at which time a bloke like Johnston can do something extraordinary that gets you across the line. This is the Poms problem at the moment, they have lost control of the game way too early!

We need at least one more rock solid batsmen, a grinder, who is more than likely to make 50 rather then not.

On the Mitchell Johnson issue, I love it, it reminds me of Lillee years ago. You need a bit of attitude out there on the field. This is the way cricket has been played since the year dot, and the politically correct goody two-shoes can go and get ferked!  >:(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 09, 2013, 12:31:13 pm
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

The media have hyped him up as the enforcer and he seems to be wanting to live up to the hype and has got a bit carried away gobbing off at batsman.
I prefer the eye contact only  and walk back to the bowling mark Johnson, when he gets tangled up with players like Broad and Stokes his bowling suffers and
if was Clarke I woud have taken him off and settled him down.
Its a bit of an ugly look for the game as well with all the mouthing off and posturing going on.....smart sledging is fine but we have a got a bit of the ugly Australian happening and it wouldnt surprise me to see a bit of push and shove between some of the players if it keeps happening.

Bugger' em, get into them. Poms have displayed mental weakness, rub it in. We've copped it big time from them so give it back in spades while they're down
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 09, 2013, 12:34:48 pm
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

You're obviously a whinging Pom. We know who Mitchell Johnson, the one with 17 wickets and sticking it up the Poms both physically and verbally. Who wouldn't enjoy that unless you were a Pom.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 09, 2013, 12:38:46 pm
I'd be much happier if Watson weren't in the team.

Overrated flatters this guy...... big time.

With 68, 176 and 51 in  3 of his last 4 Tests, a couple of wickets too, not to mention  leading run scorer in England, he's not going anywhere for a short while at least. and who are you going to replace  him with. No good  wanting someone out because you don't like them unless you can replace them . 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gozza on December 09, 2013, 12:42:43 pm
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

You're obviously a whinging Pom. We know who Mitchell Johnson, the one with 17 wickets and sticking it up the Poms both physically and verbally. Who wouldn't enjoy that unless you were a Pom.

I'm not a pom....but I think a little humility wouldn't go astray. All part of being a sportsman. You've got to win well and lose well. Johnson's carrying on like a farkwit.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 09, 2013, 12:52:46 pm
I'm not a pom....but I think a little humility wouldn't go astray. All part of being a sportsman. You've got to win well and lose well. Johnson's carrying on like a farkwit.

I think after being the major focus of the England pressure all Johnson is doing is letting them know what goes around comes around! Having said that, I am always an advocate in sport of the old,

"When you get to the top of the tree act like you have been there before and that you are confident you know how to get there again!"
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 09, 2013, 12:55:29 pm
I'd be much happier if Watson weren't in the team.

Overrated flatters this guy...... big time.

With 68, 176 and 51 in  3 of his last 4 Tests, a couple of wickets too, not to mention  leading run scorer in England, he's not going anywhere for a short while at least. and who are you going to replace  him with. No good  wanting someone out because you don't like them unless you can replace them .

Watson scored 418 runs at 41.8 (10 innings) in England.

Remove the 176 in the 'dead' Test, when the heat was off and the English more interested in night clubs and pitch pissing....

242 in 9 innings - average 26.9 = NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

This Series?

79 runs in 4 digs. Average 19.75.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

QED.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 09, 2013, 01:36:09 pm
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

You're obviously a whinging Pom. We know who Mitchell Johnson, the one with 17 wickets and sticking it up the Poms both physically and verbally. Who wouldn't enjoy that unless you were a Pom.

I'm not a pom....but I think a little humility wouldn't go astray. All part of being a sportsman. You've got to win well and lose well. Johnson's carrying on like a farkwit.

Johnson has been ridiculed by the English players since he came into the Australian side.
Anderson in particular bagged him mercilessly when he was struggling.

Well, it's come full circle and now those smug pommy ****s can go eat Mitchell's moustachioed d1ck.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 09, 2013, 02:02:10 pm
I'd be much happier if Watson weren't in the team.

Overrated flatters this guy...... big time.

With 68, 176 and 51 in  3 of his last 4 Tests, a couple of wickets too, not to mention  leading run scorer in England, he's not going anywhere for a short while at least. and who are you going to replace  him with. No good  wanting someone out because you don't like them unless you can replace them .

Watson scored 418 runs at 41.8 (10 innings) in England.

Remove the 176 in the 'dead' Test, when the heat was off and the English more interested in night clubs and pitch pissing....

242 in 9 innings - average 26.9 = NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

This Series?

79 runs in 4 digs. Average 19.75.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

QED.

Whilst I agree his form doesn't warrant selection, I think Lehman has a different philosophy and he will be given time to gain form. Winning momentum will help his cause as Lehman continues to build a united team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 09, 2013, 11:13:18 pm
Put simply, I cannot wait for Perth!!

A dusty wicket with Johnson, Siddle and Harris. Carnage awaits.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 09, 2013, 11:19:52 pm
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

You're obviously a whinging Pom. We know who Mitchell Johnson, the one with 17 wickets and sticking it up the Poms both physically and verbally. Who wouldn't enjoy that unless you were a Pom.

I'm not a pom....but I think a little humility wouldn't go astray. All part of being a sportsman. You've got to win well and lose well. Johnson's carrying on like a farkwit.

Johnson has been ridiculed by the English players since he came into the Australian side.
Anderson in particular bagged him mercilessly when he was struggling.

Well, it's come full circle and now those smug pommy ****s can go eat Mitchell's moustachioed d1ck.


Agree...Anderson deserves what he gets, a real smart arse with a big mouth who has to expect it back in spades with interest attached....I can understand Clarke paying out on him too..
Like I said though I think Johnson is a better bowler without his mouth doing part of the work and I like to see him just give the odd glare without getting too carried away and losing focus.
His bowling drops off when he gets sucked in......thought he needed to re focus vs Root  instead of overdoing the sledging and he let Stokes and Broad suck him in and started bowling rubbish.

We can wrap this series up in Perth and it as good to see Lehmann with eye on the big prize and telling the team to enjoy the win but get ready for the next test.
Good work by Clarke today bowling Harris and Siddle rather than over doing Johnson and letting him get his mind right for Perth.....

Wonder if the Poms will go for 4 quicks and Stokes in Perth or stick with Swann who looks like he has lost interest....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: jeza on December 10, 2013, 08:30:01 am
This journo should have this article framed:
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/australias-ashes-confidence-doesnt-stack-up-20131120-2xtxc.html

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: HaroldBishop on January 20, 2014, 01:31:52 pm
Bailey gone, rightly so.

Marsh's Shield record is putrid, I have no idea how he gets a spot. I'm no Hughes fan but if they're picking on form he should be there ahead of Marsh.

I'd like to now see Watson move to 6 and give Doolan a chance at 3.

David Warner, Chris Rogers, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (c), Steve Smith, Shaun Marsh, Alex Doolan, Brad Haddin (vc), Mitchell Johnson, Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, James Faulkner, Jackson Bird, James Pattinson.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 20, 2014, 01:45:59 pm
Bailey gone, rightly so.

Marsh's Shield record is putrid, I have no idea how he gets a spot. I'm no Hughes fan but if they're picking on form he should be there ahead of Marsh.

I'd like to now see Watson move to 6 and give Doolan a chance at 3.

David Warner, Chris Rogers, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (c), Steve Smith, Shaun Marsh, Alex Doolan, Brad Haddin (vc), Mitchell Johnson, Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, James Faulkner, Jackson Bird, James Pattinson.

Agree on Marsh, no fan of Hughes but he does have some form in South Africa with a couple of centuries early in his test career, may have something to do with Doolan being out of form at the minute and Marsh is some insurance for the No 3 spot.
Not sure Pattinson has earned his spot either but is getting a tour based on his extra pace and potential....Coulter-Nile is very unlucky IMO not to be touring.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: nathbear on January 20, 2014, 01:53:51 pm
Bailey gone, rightly so.

Marsh's Shield record is putrid, I have no idea how he gets a spot. I'm no Hughes fan but if they're picking on form he should be there ahead of Marsh.

I'd like to now see Watson move to 6 and give Doolan a chance at 3.

David Warner, Chris Rogers, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (c), Steve Smith, Shaun Marsh, Alex Doolan, Brad Haddin (vc), Mitchell Johnson, Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, James Faulkner, Jackson Bird, James Pattinson.

I don't mind that squad at all, Hughes didn't exactly fire in any capacity during the last series against the Saffies, so no problem at all with Marsh and Doolan being included ahead of him. If one of those two can lock down #3, releasing Watto to #6, it'll be a huge win. We have an excellent bowling line up to choose from there as well, so should be a very good series with us in such red hot form.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: HaroldBishop on January 20, 2014, 01:56:54 pm
Bailey gone, rightly so.

Marsh's Shield record is putrid, I have no idea how he gets a spot. I'm no Hughes fan but if they're picking on form he should be there ahead of Marsh.

I'd like to now see Watson move to 6 and give Doolan a chance at 3.

David Warner, Chris Rogers, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (c), Steve Smith, Shaun Marsh, Alex Doolan, Brad Haddin (vc), Mitchell Johnson, Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, James Faulkner, Jackson Bird, James Pattinson.

I don't mind that squad at all, Hughes didn't exactly fire in any capacity during the last series against the Saffies, so no problem at all with Marsh and Doolan being included ahead of him. If one of those two can lock down #3, releasing Watto to #6, it'll be a huge win. We have an excellent bowling line up to choose from there as well, so should be a very good series with us in such red hot form.

Hughes has been in a bit of form this season though and that should count for something. I don't particularly like him but form has to count for something.

Will be an interesting tour. England had us in trouble quite a few times during the Ashes at 5/90, 6/130 etc. We won't get away with starts like that against the Saffies over there.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 20, 2014, 02:33:26 pm
Bailey gone, rightly so.

Marsh's Shield record is putrid, I have no idea how he gets a spot. I'm no Hughes fan but if they're picking on form he should be there ahead of Marsh.

I'd like to now see Watson move to 6 and give Doolan a chance at 3.

David Warner, Chris Rogers, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (c), Steve Smith, Shaun Marsh, Alex Doolan, Brad Haddin (vc), Mitchell Johnson, Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, James Faulkner, Jackson Bird, James Pattinson.

Agree on Marsh, no fan of Hughes but he does have some form in South Africa with a couple of centuries early in his test career, may have something to do with Doolan being out of form at the minute and Marsh is some insurance for the No 3 spot.
Not sure Pattinson has earned his spot either but is getting a tour based on his extra pace and potential....Coulter-Nile is very unlucky IMO not to be touring.

Ditto on Pattinson/Coulter-Nile.  But if any of the three main pace bowlers go down, it would surely have to be Jackson Bird who comes in ......bowls in the same manner as Stuart Clark...and he did major damage when he toured there.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 20, 2014, 05:17:12 pm
On the Marsh selection, perhaps a National Selector nicknamed "Bacchus" likes the surname!!!

Quite a few State players will be phoning Brad Hodge for some sympathy and advice after the announcement of this squad. I am not a Hughes fan, but he is in form and did well in South Africa last time. There are several others who should feel a bit disgruntled by the Doolan and Marsh selections.

In particular I think North and Hughes do OK against extreme pace. White has also done OK in domestic but he is perceived to have a weakness against pace bowling that perhaps leaves him on the outer.

Maybe we have a youth policy, or too many 30+ in the side already for North to get a gig!

Is it a horses for courses policy, I am not sure, but if it is I am all for it!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: nathbear on January 20, 2014, 05:24:01 pm
Lol it was a lose/lose/lose scenario for the selectors when it came to our batting line up.

If they'd gone with Bailey due to the fact that we won the last five tests he played in, then people would be up in arms given he didn't really make any runs in those tests.

If they'd gone with Hughes, people would have been up in arms about the fact that he's had plenty of chances and never really delivered since his stellar debut series.

They've gone with giving Doolan his first cap (which is a pretty bold choice against the #1 team in the world) and that has people up in arms about Hughes being overlooked.

No matter what the selectors did there, someone was going to be unhappy but I, personally, think it was a good move to blood someone else coming through while we're in form and he should have plenty of support around him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 20, 2014, 05:41:23 pm
Hughes did do well in SA, would he do well again given the way top teams have worked him out?

I suppose Hughes has a lot of ground to cover before selectors give his "new and improved" technique a tick. I fear at the moment all he is doing is learning to play the same game plan on a different type of pitch! Fair enough, drop in pitches are here to stay, soon the SCG will be in the minority!

Finally had to laugh. During one of the broadcasts over summer they showed highlights of Viv Richards, a kid at our club was watching the TV and said Richards looked like a bigger hack than Warner. I assume he referred to the new improved Warner. The same kid idolises Hughes, such is life! ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 20, 2014, 05:43:09 pm
Doolan no. 3, Watson no.4 so Clarke can go back to no.5 where he produces by far his best cricket.

Then it's just whether we want to  use Siddle or Pattinson. Siddle deserves first go but Pattinson at his pace is tempting, especially in SA.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 20, 2014, 05:46:07 pm
Lol it was a lose/lose/lose scenario for the selectors when it came to our batting line up.

If they'd gone with Bailey due to the fact that we won the last five tests he played in, then people would be up in arms given he didn't really make any runs in those tests.

If they'd gone with Hughes, people would have been up in arms about the fact that he's had plenty of chances and never really delivered since his stellar debut series.

They've gone with giving Doolan his first cap (which is a pretty bold choice against the #1 team in the world) and that has people up in arms about Hughes being overlooked.

No matter what the selectors did there, someone was going to be unhappy but I, personally, think it was a good move to blood someone else coming through while we're in form and he should have plenty of support around him.

Hughes has failed time after time after time after time  at Test level no matter how many runs he has made st Shield level. Good  move to leave him out.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on January 20, 2014, 08:56:02 pm


Finally had to laugh. During one of the broadcasts over summer they showed highlights of Viv Richards, a kid at our club was watching the TV and said Richards looked like a bigger hack than Warner. I assume he referred to the new improved Warner. The same kid idolises Hughes, such is life! ;D

I hope you slapped him or imposed some other form of punishment ... Warner and Hughes look like they are chopping wood when they bat!

Viv was in a different class... just imagine him today with roped boundaries and a modern bat!





Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 20, 2014, 09:17:17 pm
Your not wrong by a different class. Sir Viv was in a class of his own and its hard to pick another with the talent he had. He didn't have to thrash the bat at the ball either. it went over the boundary with ease. his captain Clive Lloyd and his dozen grips on his bat was able to monster a big six with brute force, but still make it look elegant. Hughes and Warner can bat and hit big boundaries but I would take the previous 2 in their peak form over our guys in a heart beat. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 20, 2014, 09:44:04 pm
This season Marsh has an average of 31 and Doolan about 39.......the cupboard is bare of No 3's.......Hughes has the runs on the board but at test level as Jim suggested isnt the answer. IMO Marsh will play No 3 and the idea IMO will be Rodgers holding down one end while the other batters try and hit the Saffies bowlers off their length and line with a full out assault. If that doesnt work then Haddin and the likes of Johnson, Harris etc will have to recover the innings.

Its going to be death or glory batting IMO rather than traditional build an innings test cricket...the chance of survival vs Steyn, Philander etc will be low if the likes of Warner, Marsh, Clarke, Smith, Watson start defending and waiting for loose balls and a player like Warner will probably hold the key to the series.
I think we can keep them to reasonable totals but making runs ourselves is going to be hard work...if my memory serves me right they bowled us for less than 100 in one innings in the previous SA home series and Philander was unplayable on their wickets.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on January 21, 2014, 08:58:16 am
Its a tough one. 2 x nice 50s in the ODI series a god start for Marsh but he is a bit of a lucky boy. Doolan I like too but both he and Marsh have very average records this summer with the red ball. Not the only reason to pick a bloke is because of his record but has to carry some weight surely.

I wouldn't have been unhappy with Marcus North at 6. Id be leaving Watson at 3 for this series to tell ya the truth anyway allowing possibly Haddin at 6 then Faulkner at 7 or one of the bats in Marsh or Doolan at 6 with Hadds at 7.

Taking both Pattinson and Bird I would not have done but rate them both. Would have taken just one in Patts and also Coulter-Nile.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 21, 2014, 12:42:07 pm
Hughes has the runs on the board but at test level as Jim suggested isnt the answer.

??? Jim, Jim, who the feck is Jim? :P
:P                                            ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on December 08, 2014, 04:29:51 pm
Old but continuing topic, with a new summer of test cricket upon us.

I'll be there tomorrow for Day 1.

Only 1 Marsh in the test side, thankfully not 2. I guess Mitch is there as a backup for the backup Watson who is likely to break down after 3 overs?

RIP Hughesy. Should be an emotionally charged day.

Lets spank these Indians...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 08, 2014, 08:30:47 pm
Not sure how fair dinkum the Indians are about this series and they are more interested in defending their world cup title IMO.
Aussies to win 3-0 with little resistance...

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 08, 2014, 08:38:48 pm
Yea but I wonder how focussed our mob will be as well given that there has been a lot of talk about next year's ODI world cup.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on December 08, 2014, 09:30:00 pm
The day our guys start worrying more about ODIs than test cricket will be the day I stop watching.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 08, 2014, 09:33:39 pm
The day our guys start worrying more about ODIs than test cricket will be the day I stop watching.

True cricket supporters rate Test Cricket as the highest level of the sport. The ODI and Big Bash series has gained a huge following over the years. With all its music, cheer leaders dancing and fan fare.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on December 10, 2014, 12:33:11 pm
Test cricket is where it's at for sure.

But nowadays the general populace want a quick game done and dusted in quick time. Hence the t20 love... personally I can't stand t20.

Great day yesterday. Warner was terrific. Now if only the weather here would clear up we might see a few more tons to the aussies.

Clarke needs to be 'cotton wooled' for tests only.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 10, 2014, 01:04:56 pm
Test cricket is where it's at for sure.

But nowadays the general populace want a quick game done and dusted in quick time. Hence the t20 love... personally I can't stand t20.

Great day yesterday. Warner was terrific. Now if only the weather here would clear up we might see a few more tons to the aussies.

Clarke needs to be 'cotton wooled' for tests only.

I prefer test cricket but this series is as flat as the Adelaide wicket......the Indian bowlers are sub district standard..Ishant is bowling at 130k, if ever you were going to cash is and improve your average  then this is the series...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 10, 2014, 04:05:45 pm
Onya Clarkey. You've shown yourself to be every bit a worthy Australian Captain, not that you had anything to prove.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 10, 2014, 08:35:05 pm
The weather took the fun out of the game today. Was hoping we could get a move on with the bat early, and declare with enough time to get the Indian batting line up in trouble. Clarke needs to take the time off he needs to get his back in order. Can't have him causing more issues to his previous injuries. He is of too much value when he is 100% fit. Then again he did quite well being almost completely broken. I do agree with Elwood in his above comments. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 10, 2014, 09:13:41 pm
Onya Clarkey. You've shown yourself to be every bit a worthy Australian Captain, not that you had anything to prove.

That knock, with all he's had to contend with will go down as one of the greatest Captains knocks of all time. The heir apparent's wasn't to shabby either.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 10, 2014, 09:22:26 pm
I think that I have fessed up to this before but I'll do it again.

I was convinced that Warner was strictly a T20 player but he has shown that he is exactly what a 21st century test opener should be.  He is such an important part of our test team now.

I wasn't convinced that Clarke should have a spot in our best eleven, let alone being captain.  Wrong!  He is up there with the best test captains we've had, not too mention how good his batting is (most of the time).  I just hope that he can manage his back for another few seasons.

The Indians were really non-competitive today, and so many dropped catches!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 11, 2014, 09:25:18 pm
Peter Siddle!

Apparently he was unwell today but his bowling just lacks zip.  I have always been a fan but I wonder whether his vegan diet has compromised his ability to bowl fast.

Some years ago I completed a level 2 coaching course and we had a nutritionist who had worked with Olympic athletes attend to talk about diet.  He said that a vegetarian athlete would never achieve their full potential.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 11, 2014, 09:58:58 pm
Peter Siddle!

Apparently he was unwell today but his bowling just lacks zip.  I have always been a fan but I wonder whether his vegan diet has compromised his ability to bowl fast.

Some years ago I completed a level 2 coaching course and we had a nutritionist who had worked with Olympic athletes attend to talk about diet.  He said that a vegetarian athlete would never achieve their full potential.

I reckon it helped him bowl long spells in tough conditions, but I agree, the zip just hasn't been there since he turned hamster.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 12, 2014, 12:06:40 am
Peter Siddle!

Apparently he was unwell today but his bowling just lacks zip.  I have always been a fan but I wonder whether his vegan diet has compromised his ability to bowl fast.

Some years ago I completed a level 2 coaching course and we had a nutritionist who had worked with Olympic athletes attend to talk about diet.  He said that a vegetarian athlete would never achieve their full potential.

I too like Siddle but his lifestyle choices whilst admirable from a humanitarian perspective, fall short in the test Cricketing arena. Love to see Cummins and Pattinson out in the middle developing their craft.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 12, 2014, 09:40:29 am
I think that I have fessed up to this before but I'll do it again.

I was convinced that Warner was strictly a T20 player but he has shown that he is exactly what a 21st century test opener should be.  He is such an important part of our test team now.

I wasn't convinced that Clarke should have a spot in our best eleven, let alone being captain.  Wrong!  He is up there with the best test captains we've had, not too mention how good his batting is (most of the time).  I just hope that he can manage his back for another few seasons.

The Indians were really non-competitive today, and so many dropped catches!

x2 on Warner...now is the premier opener in the world in all forms of cricket which is a decent claim given he was a park slogger .
Clarke is a good captain depspte what Ian Chappell says and it was very brave to come out and make the runs he did.....not sure it was his best innings in terms of batting purity but in terms of
adversity it was his greatest.
India are very fickle and every time we play them along with Pakistan I never know if they are trying or playing for the bookmakers....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 12, 2014, 09:15:29 pm
I remember a few years ago calling for Warner to be made a permanent place in the Aussie test side, when he was a slogger. I remember having arguments with Tribey and a few others about him. I am so glad he finally came good. He is now the new Gilchrist as an opener. Gilchrist type of hitting machine that is.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 13, 2014, 12:38:55 am
I remember a few years ago calling for Warner to be made a permanent place in the Aussie test side, when he was a slogger. I remember having arguments with Tribey and a few others about him. I am so glad he finally came good. He is now the new Gilchrist as an opener. Gilchrist type of hitting machine that is.

He's revolutionising the role of test cricket openers in the same way that Gilly changed the game coming in at #7. Warner has been able to successfully modify his short form of the game to achieve the ultimate accolades in test cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 13, 2014, 09:47:14 pm
We got out of jail with this test today. India looked like they had this game licked and collapsed in the last hour of the test. 2 for 240 to be 10 for 315 is a complete fail.

3 guys in the Indian side with the name Sharma. Are they all related ? I don't remember 3 players in an international squad with the same surname or all brothers since, Ian, Greg and Trevor Chappell years ago. Some here were not born yet when they were around.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 13, 2014, 11:15:37 pm
We got out of jail with this test today. India looked like they had this game licked and collapsed in the last hour of the test. 2 for 240 to be 10 for 315 is a complete fail.

3 guys in the Indian side with the name Sharma. Are they all related ? I don't remember 3 players in an international squad with the same surname or all brothers since, Ian, Greg and Trevor Chappell years ago. Some here were not born yet when they were around.

They dominated the match, they ended up with the win. India showed some ticker - the skipper especially - kudos to them. Test cricket is seldom easy?

But Australia won on a pitch that largely negated our main (relative) strength - our quicks.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 14, 2014, 12:17:17 am
This test was a classic example as to why test match cricket the greatest form of the game. The momentum swings, a flat deck, the Michael Clarke story, the Hughes legacy, Warner, Smith, Lyon, Kohli, Mitchell Johnson's bouncer, Warner vs Aaron. The game is won in the final session on the fifth day with the Indian collapse starting at 4.08!!!(PH's test cap number)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 14, 2014, 09:03:52 am
I remember a few years ago calling for Warner to be made a permanent place in the Aussie test side, when he was a slogger. I remember having arguments with Tribey and a few others about him. I am so glad he finally came good. He is now the new Gilchrist as an opener. Gilchrist type of hitting machine that is.

He's revolutionising the role of test cricket openers in the same way that Gilly changed the game coming in at #7. Warner has been able to successfully modify his short form of the game to achieve the ultimate accolades in test cricket.

I'm really hoping a bloke called Aaron Finch, who is where Warner was 3-4 years ago, can use warner as a model for his batting into the future.  He's got the technique, he's certainly got the power & I would love to see an opening partnership of Waner & Finch as a long term pairing for Australia.

(& coming for a Tasmanian, there's no VIC bias in that statement either !.......despite Cowan's 4 hundreds so far this season !)

BTW......I'm even feeling a bit sad for the South Aussies right now, bowled out for 45, no heroics for them in the aftermath of their personal disaster.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: age on December 15, 2014, 10:31:22 am
Did India throw that game? 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 15, 2014, 12:49:29 pm
Did India throw that game?

You would suspect so, watching from afar.
I was at the test and had $50 on India at $21.00 early Saturday.
I though they were home and hosed.

Kohli's shot was terrible given they needed less than 4 per over.

They should have won in a canter while he was still out there.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 15, 2014, 01:05:54 pm
Smith Captain.

That is not such a surprise, but they used Haddin to captain in Clarke's absence as the reason for Wade not getting a run in the team despite Wade's great form!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 15, 2014, 01:14:04 pm
Smith Captain.

That is not such a surprise, but they used Haddin to captain in Clarke's absence as the reason for Wade not getting a run in the team despite Wade's great form!

Wades keeping is not great
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 15, 2014, 01:50:08 pm
Wades keeping is not great

Haddin isn't much better, neither would be in the top three in the country based on keeping alone.

Now the media are reporting that Haddin has been snubbed. ::) Seems he has plenty of support!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 15, 2014, 10:11:09 pm
I am surprised at the outpouring of support for Smith as captain. 

I don't really know enough about Smith's leadership and cricket nous to criticize or praise the decision.  However I do think that Haddin has been treated poorly.  After his good work after Clarke went off - and Clarke's vote of confidence in him - I would have liked to see Haddin made captain for the rest of the series, with Smith as vice-captain.

The deed has been done, so it will be interesting to see how Smith shapes up.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 16, 2014, 12:34:30 am
I am surprised at the outpouring of support for Smith as captain. 

I don't really know enough about Smith's leadership and cricket nous to criticize or praise the decision.  However I do think that Haddin has been treated poorly.  After his good work after Clarke went off - and Clarke's vote of confidence in him - I would have liked to see Haddin made captain for the rest of the series, with Smith as vice-captain.

The deed has been done, so it will be interesting to see how Smith shapes up.

Hopefully Haddin remains a team player and supports Smith to the hilt. In the long run this could prove to be an investment in the future of Australian Cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 16, 2014, 12:40:46 am
I am surprised at the outpouring of support for Smith as captain. 

I don't really know enough about Smith's leadership and cricket nous to criticize or praise the decision.  However I do think that Haddin has been treated poorly.  After his good work after Clarke went off - and Clarke's vote of confidence in him - I would have liked to see Haddin made captain for the rest of the series, with Smith as vice-captain.

The deed has been done, so it will be interesting to see how Smith shapes up.

Smith is from NSW so thats important... :)
Other candidates would have been Haddin, Watson and Warner I presume...

Haddin is probably too near the end, Warner isnt seen as smooth enough being too much of a hothead IMO and Watson doesnt seem to command any respect from the opposition(India in particular just keep taking the piss out of him) and is a whipping boy for even Aus supporters...

Smith has a more likeable persona, is media friendly, keeps his cool better and being young will be afforded some time to get the captains job right...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 16, 2014, 12:00:14 pm
Pity there aren't more young batsmen pushing the incumbents because our batting is being carried by a few stellar performers and there are a few passengers.  And playing Marsh at 6 means we are only playing 5 specialist bats and that's leaving us very thin I reckon.

I agree that Haddin may have been viewed as too old but he comes across as a solid, hard nosed Test cricketer and we need those right now.  He is another that also needs to start making runs as his batting of late, particularly against off spin, has been scratchy. The next Oz keeper is going to be an interesting selection decision.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: shadesy on December 16, 2014, 12:00:45 pm
Wades keeping is not great

Haddin isn't much better, neither would be in the top three in the country based on keeping alone.

Now the media are reporting that Haddin has been snubbed. ::) Seems he has plenty of support!

Nonsense.. Haddin's keeping is still very very good, Wade is not a patch on it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on December 16, 2014, 01:11:02 pm
What is the best way for Smith to learn the captaincy?
Be made VC behind Haddin so he can watch and learn?
OR be made captain and have Haddin as VC and other senior players to go to for advice and also learn from his own mistakes?

If he is the right person for the job he will listen to his senior players and coaches and keep his errors to a minimum.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Thryleon on December 16, 2014, 01:30:21 pm
The captaincy is almost an in name, media scrutiny position.

Good leaders will lead anyway, whether they have the title or not.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 16, 2014, 01:32:18 pm
The captaincy is almost an in name, media scrutiny position.

Good leaders will lead anyway, whether they have the title or not.

Please post this to BumberT care of EFC, I presume it applies to coaches as well! ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on December 16, 2014, 02:27:23 pm
Siddle dropped, Harris injured.

In comes SMarsh, Hazelwood and Starc.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 17, 2014, 04:37:57 pm
Why oh why do they keep selecting Starc ?

He just doesn't have the heart for Test match bowling.  Both sides of the wickets, half rat power.  Give me a half fit Ryan Harris any day of the week.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 17, 2014, 05:28:44 pm
X2, needs to start justifying selection because I don't see it myself.  Very uninspired stuff from our blokes today
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on December 17, 2014, 08:09:37 pm
Yep, Starc was poor.

I'd be happy for us to find someone else in Shield cricket. Faulkner comes to mind, although not express, he was born for Test cricket IMO. There are others too.

With Harris out injured, maybe we should have kept Siddle in although he wasn't that great either.

Shaun Marsh dropping twp catches. Crikey! Hope he gets runs. He's on his last chance surely.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on December 17, 2014, 08:18:57 pm
X2, needs to start justifying selection because I don't see it myself.  Very uninspired stuff from our blokes today
Oh come on Prof....it was HOT in Brizzy today....give em a break...only on $1/2million + a year...poor luvs ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 17, 2014, 08:49:43 pm
I think the biggest issue for Smith going forward is going to be getting consistency from this group because we're carrying a lot of passengers at the moment.  A few stellar individual performances papered over a weak team performance in Adelaide.

Johnson, who is one of the fittest cricketers I have ever seen, struggled today, so it must have been pretty tough, but that's why it is called TEST cricket.

I reckon we failed as a team today.  We wasted the new ball.  We dropped catches.  Our front liners didn't build or maintain pressure and the support bowlers didn't do enough.

Fortunately the sun will come up tomorrow and the bowlers get a chance to redeem themselves.  Then we can think about batting to save this test because we can't win it from here.



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 17, 2014, 09:02:17 pm
I heard on the radio today that Shaun Marsh can't throw and has to have someone follow him when he chases a ball to the boundary.  :o

I thought modern cricketers had to excel at fielding  :-\
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 17, 2014, 09:04:47 pm
I didn't watch all the play today, but the couple of hours I did watch, we really applied no pressure on the batting side at all. Line was off, length was off, and when an opportunity presented, we were in no place to take a wicket. Sure tomorrow is another day, but hopeful its not the same standard as what we dished out today.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 17, 2014, 09:18:41 pm
Agreed, it was the abject lack of pressure that our bowling applied that really stood out today.

When it is stinking hot the concentration starts to meander and I reckon a few of our blokes were dealt a lesson in the mental strength required in test cricket today.  We were bloody poor in the UAE in tough conditions and it is starting to look like a common thread.

Nobody can help injuries but I will admit I queried the Marsh family lineage a few times today.  Losing the support seamer really upset the side today, especially so as the younger Marsh was bowling a tight spell when he got hurt.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 18, 2014, 09:53:12 am
Fast Bowlers hunt in pairs...Harris is a massive loss. Johnson can only be bowled in short spells and I reckon the Hughes passing has taken the edge off his ability to want to hurt batsman.He doesnt seem to want to bowl as many short deliveries which are his major weapon IMO and he lacked support from Starc who has built his career on one day bowling and looks like he bowls to contain rather than take wickets.
Hazlewood was impressive and is a better option than Siddle IMO.

The Marsh bros dont have much luck injury wise and Shaun is a bit of a liability in the field IMO.
Tough day for Steve Smith.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 18, 2014, 10:08:33 am
Fast Bowlers hunt in pairs...Harris is a massive loss. Johnson can only be bowled in short spells and I reckon the Hughes passing has taken the edge off his ability to want to hurt batsman.He doesnt seem to want to bowl as many short deliveries which are his major weapon IMO and he lacked support from Starc who has built his career on one day bowling and looks like he bowls to contain rather than take wickets.
Hazlewood was impressive and is a better option than Siddle IMO.

The Marsh bros dont have much luck injury wise and Shaun is a bit of a liability in the field IMO.
Tough day for Steve Smith.....

Yes, can understand Hazelwood coming in for Siddle, he's going to be a gun. don't understand how Starc comes in for Siddle though. That baffles me. Starc simply hasn't done well with the red ball.

I think the aggression is down to for the same reason.

Would've hated bowling in yesterday's condition. Can't imagine bowling in high 30s with high humidity. Our's bowlers, what was left of them, were cannon fodder by the 3rd sessions and we got carted accordingly. Bad toss to lose.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on December 18, 2014, 11:43:30 am
I heard on the radio today that Shaun Marsh can't throw and has to have someone follow him when he chases a ball to the boundary.  :o

I thought modern cricketers had to excel at fielding  :-\

And he dropped 2 catches! Terrible choice to give him yet ANOTHER undeserved selection ahead of a number of other more suitable options.

I wish my Dad played for Australia....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on December 18, 2014, 11:56:50 am

Would've hated bowling in yesterday's condition. Can't imagine bowling in high 30s with high humidity. Our's bowlers, what was left of them, were cannon fodder by the 3rd sessions and we got carted accordingly. Bad toss to lose.

Got memories of playing on a 40+ degree day a few years ago with thick bush fire smoke hanging in the air... captain lost the toss, sensed that the troops were a little down as a result, and proceeded to bark that cricket is a summer sport, so deal with it, and stop f***ing whinging.

They made 380.  ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 19, 2014, 12:05:03 pm
Excremental batting from the usual suspects.  Time to start looking at blooding some new talent and giving them some game time prior to the next Ashes series.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 19, 2014, 05:52:30 pm
Excremental batting from the usual suspects.  Time to start looking at blooding some new talent and giving them some game time prior to the next Ashes series.

Who else have NSW got?  ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 19, 2014, 09:40:28 pm
You know your top level batsmen are not earning their keep, when Johnson, Stark, Lyon and Hazelwood need to tow the line. Very happy with the tail helping Smith move along and get us a decent total. We potentially could have fallen short in our total without the tail wagging. Mind you the Indian bowlers didn't help themselves opting to shake Johnson up early at the crease.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 19, 2014, 09:42:43 pm
I was hoping that the Indians bombing Johnson might rile him up a bit and get him to fire up with the ball.

We are a horribly unbalanced side at the moment... only about 50% of the blokes on a given day are performing.  Hard to win consistently when the side doesn't give a consistent effort.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 19, 2014, 10:01:22 pm
Maybe after a night to reflect on where they could have been in this game, and where they actually are, and still in a possible position to win this test, they will all fire up with the ball in the morning. They have bowled well at times but are too predictable with their execution. The delivery at Haddin that had him caught out, is how I would like to see the bouncers be bowled. Just no too often. Keep the pressure up with the line and length, ball after ball. Need to be sharp fielding too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 19, 2014, 11:48:20 pm
Haddin's heroics of last summer with the bat seem to have deserted him. Deserves another match based on his efforts with the gloves alone, but Steve Smiths appointment as skipper may have been an indication that CA has it's doubts about Haddin's immediate future in the test side.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 20, 2014, 03:56:12 pm
Need a real no 3 the incumbent must have used the last of his 167 chances....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 20, 2014, 03:59:20 pm
Need a real no 3 the incumbent must have used the last of his 167 chances....

Mitch Johnson  ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 20, 2014, 05:35:47 pm
Our batting.....Aaaaaaaaargh they annoy me.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 20, 2014, 05:48:53 pm
Our batting.....Aaaaaaaaargh they annoy me.

Watson is disappointing and if it wasnt for his ability to roll the arm over would be out IMO...given M Marsh is dodgy with injury I reckon Watson will stay in the team.
The Indians really give it to Watson sledging wise and he looks mentally cooked when he bats IMO..needs to loosen up and keep it simple...
Shaun Marsh isnt up to it IMO but will get another chance...
Rogers has done enough this test to keep his place for the summer and will make the ashes trip.....I reckon Jordan Silk will take his place after that...

India are just too inconsistent with ball and bat.....Johnson bowled well but the Indians helped him out playing some poor shots.

Kholi has had 30 slips catching attempts for a 50% strike rate...if I was an Indian quick I would be telling Dhoni I want Kholi at third man....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 20, 2014, 07:13:58 pm
Its the brainless soft dismissals that irk me...  rubbish pull shots to balls outside off, strangles down the leg side, rubbish cut shots to point.   Its all well and good to be aggressive but there's a time and place.  Notice how often we lose a wicket just before an interval - Watson is a serial offender in that regard, he has a serious concentration issue but he ain't the lone ranger in that regard.

We so often lose on slow tracks because we don't bat time - we rarely bat for more than 3-4 sessions so we never leave the other mob out there long enough to suffer in inclement conditions etc.

Watson will get another go but I would be seriously looking at a bloke like Faulkner for the allrounder position.  Another that will get another go is S Marsh but surely the acid must be on... how many chances do some blokes get?  They have to start taking some of them!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on December 20, 2014, 07:40:54 pm
Need a real no 3 the incumbent must have used the last of his 167 chances....

Yeah we do...and badly...and in a hurry.

Still reckon Khawaja can bat in that spot but otherwise I'd be looking at Steve Smith now.

There aint much else and asking a rookie to come in and bat there is ridiculous.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 20, 2014, 08:30:04 pm
Boxing Day

Warner
Rogers
Cowan (Belting down the door. 4 centuries including a double 150 last game. Ready to go)
Smith
S.Marsh
M.Marsh/Watson (depending on Marsh's fitness. Only need one allrounder)
Haddin (needs to make runs but is in terrific form with the gloves)
Johnson
Harris
Lyon
Hazelwood

I always liked Watson in because he added to the bowling but with Mitch Marsh playing now Watson isn't needed. Watson was a godsend in the conditions for his bowling in this Test after Marsh went down but if Marsh is fit Watson becomes surfluous. Only plays, at 6, if Marsh is injured. We can put Cowan in, who's form is exquisite right now.

Great win in the end given where we were before lunch yesterday.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 20, 2014, 09:01:12 pm
Khwahja has done an ACL, gone for this summer.

Might have to replace Warner as well.  Maddinson?  A really left field selection of a bloke who has hit a lot of runs in all conditions over a long period... Klinger.

An amazing stat I heard this test is that the Cowan-Warner average  partnership is within a run of the Rogers-Warner partnership.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 20, 2014, 10:28:47 pm
Watson must go.

Cowan, as others have said, deserves another crack. His figures cannot be denied this season.

 S. Marsh - an enigma. oozes talent but maybe just trying too hard..... needs to grind more until he's 40+ odd (runs on the board) in an innings.
 
Saying he's not up to it is plain stupid EB1 - why not level the same at Watson, Warner (this test), Haddin (should be chopped for a younger type).
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 20, 2014, 11:00:04 pm
Watson must go.

Cowan, as others have said, deserves another crack. His figures cannot be denied this season.

 S. Marsh - an enigma. oozes talent but maybe just trying too hard..... needs to grind more until he's 40+ odd (runs on the board) in an innings.
 
Saying he's not up to it is plain stupid EB1 - why not level the same at Watson, Warner (this test), Haddin (should be chopped for a younger type).

Fly....You are calling me stupid when he has played 5 tests vs India and averages 7 runs an innings?????......he is also ordinary in the field.
ODI and 20/20 only player IMO......his brother is a much more talented and correct batsman..

Watson...should be dropped like I said but wont be......Warner...proven most wrong including me that he can play all forms of the game.
Haddin....nearly finished but his efforts with the bat in Ashes given him extra credits in the bank and India are so lame with the ball we dont need him making runs just making catches.

re: Cowan....dont rate him either...not enough shots to be batting at No 3.......Ian Chappell, Ricky Ponting...........Ed Cowan......Ed isnt exactly in the same parish as those players
Only role I can see for Cowan is to take over from Rodgers when he retires.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 21, 2014, 01:26:19 am
Only role I can see for Cowan is to take over from Rodgers when he retires.....

I wouldn't wait that long.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on December 21, 2014, 10:12:07 pm
Watson averaging around 30 with the bat since 2011 batting #3. Simply not good enough. And he is not good enough to be in the side as a bowler either.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 21, 2014, 10:37:55 pm
Watson is not a number 3, never has and never will be.  Your best batsman should be number 3 and, at the moment, that's Warner.  However, he is doing such a great job as opener that you would be loath to move him.

I thought Watson's bowling wasn't too bad, particularly after Marsh did his fetlock.  I'd prefer to see Watson played as an allrounder and coming in at 6 or 7.  Of course, he was to stay fit.

Rogers is the perfect foil for Warner, but he can score quickly as he demonstrated yesterday.  Cowan is in rare form but he is an incredibly slow scorer and that puts too much pressure on the other batters.

As for S Marsh, EB is spot on.  He is a streaky batsman who can't throw and apparently can't catch either and shouldn't be in the team.  Surely, there's another New South Welshman who can do better.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 22, 2014, 12:01:37 am
There was a lot of concern when Warner was promoted to the test squad which has proven to be unfounded. Maybe the selectors should look at Finch in the openers role with Warner dropping back to 3.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Raydan on December 22, 2014, 09:27:34 am
Watson is only there now because of the M,Marsh injury. I said before the series started, Watson will make a big score after the series has been decided when the pressure is off. No way has he ever been a number 3 and the figures stack up to support that.

Watson is mentally weak, just look at all the scores of 90ish when he was in form. Bat him at 6 and bowl 15 overs an innings, he is a limited overs player now.

Haddin needs runs, but the fact that he and Smith get on well and Smith needs senior players around him at the moment will mean he stays.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 22, 2014, 11:26:02 am
Lots of similar thoughts to mine already expressed, but here is my take on things.

[1] Chris Rogers:
At 37 he is not far from the end. It is a pity he didn't play when he was in his best form a few years back, but it is good that he managed to become more than a one test wonder.
I would not drop him yet, but I would be looking at the next generation of openers to see if there is another warner out there.
I wouldn't play Finch: his form with a red ball is very poor, no matter how good his form with the white ball is.

[2] Watson:
Watson frustrates me as he gets himself out too often, after having the bowlers at his mercy. He is not now making the scores he did either.
I am a fan of his bowling when he is fit, as he does swing the ball. He bowled well in the 2nd test, but his body is a constant source of problems for him.
I would be seriously looking for his long term replacement as a batsman, although Mitch Marsh appears to be the answer as an all-rounder.

[3] Clarke:
I'm afraid he is near the end. His ongoing back and hamstring issues simply don't allow him to play as he once did. I find hat frustrating, but we need to replace him. I don't see him getting back.

[4] Ed Cowan:
Very good at taking a not so good attack to pieces, but has been found wanting at the highest level. He may get a few more chances as we fiddle around with the lineup, but he simply isn't someone we an build a team around.

[5]
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 22, 2014, 11:46:57 am
Lots of similar thoughts to mine already expressed, but here is my take on things.

[1] Chris Rogers:
At 37 he is not far from the end. It is a pity he didn't play when he was in his best form a few years back, but it is good that he managed to become more than a one test wonder.
I would not drop him yet, but I would be looking at the next generation of openers to see if there is another warner out there.
I wouldn't play Finch: his form with a red ball is very poor, no matter how good his form with the white ball is.

[2] Watson:
Watson frustrates me as he gets himself out too often, after having the bowlers at his mercy. He is not now making the scores he did either.
I am a fan of his bowling when he is fit, as he does swing the ball. He bowled well in the 2nd test, but his body is a constant source of problems for him.
I would be seriously looking for his long term replacement as a batsman, although Mitch Marsh appears to be the answer as an all-rounder.

[3] Clarke:
I'm afraid he is near the end. His ongoing back and hamstring issues simply don't allow him to play as he once did. I find hat frustrating, but we need to replace him. I don't see him getting back.

[4] Ed Cowan:
Very good at taking a not so good attack to pieces, but has been found wanting at the highest level. He may get a few more chances as we fiddle around with the lineup, but he simply isn't someone we an build a team around.

[5]

I'd like Jordan Silk to take over from Rogers....good technique and knows how to build an innings..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 22, 2014, 12:31:14 pm
Watson must go.

Cowan, as others have said, deserves another crack. His figures cannot be denied this season.

 S. Marsh - an enigma. oozes talent but maybe just trying too hard..... needs to grind more until he's 40+ odd (runs on the board) in an innings.
 
Saying he's not up to it is plain stupid EB1 - why not level the same at Watson, Warner (this test), Haddin (should be chopped for a younger type).


Fly....You are calling me stupid when he has played 5 tests vs India and averages 7 runs an innings?????......he is also ordinary in the field.
ODI and 20/20 only player IMO......his brother is a much more talented and correct batsman..

Watson...should be dropped like I said but wont be......Warner...proven most wrong including me that he can play all forms of the game.
Haddin....nearly finished but his efforts with the bat in Ashes given him extra credits in the bank and India are so lame with the ball we dont need him making runs just making catches.

re: Cowan....dont rate him either...not enough shots to be batting at No 3.......Ian Chappell, Ricky Ponting...........Ed Cowan......Ed isnt exactly in the same parish as those players
Only role I can see for Cowan is to take over from Rodgers when he retires.....


Actually, with Cowan, he has re-invented the way he has played and scoring alot faster. You can't do no more than score runs. Remember, every Australian batsman during the golden era was dropped at some stage. All came back to be superstars. Cowan may not do that but his form is exquisite right now. Double 150 last game. Happy to give Marsh a shot but if he fails again then Cowan has to be a much better option.


Watson won't be dropped until Marsh comes back. We need the extra bowling option. Once Marsh is back then we can drop Watson.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 22, 2014, 12:33:14 pm
Watson is only there now because of the M,Marsh injury. I said before the series started, Watson will make a big score after the series has been decided when the pressure is off. No way has he ever been a number 3 and the figures stack up to support that.

Watson is mentally weak, just look at all the scores of 90ish when he was in form. Bat him at 6 and bowl 15 overs an innings, he is a limited overs player now.

Haddin needs runs, but the fact that he and Smith get on well and Smith needs senior players around him at the moment will mean he stays.

Actually at no's 1-2-3 Watson averages 40. I agree though, when Marsh is back he's gone IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Raydan on December 22, 2014, 01:40:00 pm
It would be interesting to see what he averages in "live" games where the decision matters. I bet a big portion of the high scores that boost his average happen in the dead rubbers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Sexybronco on December 22, 2014, 05:19:20 pm
It would be interesting to see what he averages in "live" games where the decision matters. I bet a big portion of the high scores that boost his average happen in the dead rubbers.
Perennial tease, at 30+ y.o.he should be dominating matches but is still only showing glimpses. Time to cut him from the test team and give others a chance.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 24, 2014, 01:33:49 pm
It would be interesting to see what he averages in "live" games where the decision matters. I bet a big portion of the high scores that boost his average happen in the dead rubbers.

Had a decent dual Ashes series last year but before then then only thing that kept him in the side was his ability to bowl. That was a godsend in Brisbane. That's the only reason as well he's playing this week, as Marsh can't. 

A few "unpressured" scores there of course, mostly recent, but not as many as you think. He made 83 no in the 2nd innings on Boxing Day last year chasing down a tricky target.  Alot of "live" games though when he was opening the batting and doing well against all nations but mostly during the higher point of his career a few years ago. Has alot of 50s and alot between 40-50. Hence the problem. Watson's problem isn't often form, it's the brilliant, chanceless, annoying 25s he make before going out while looking for all the world he's going to make a big score. At least before, his starts were between 40 and 95 consistently. Now it's 25-30. Unless he does something this Test he'll be gone as Marsh will come back.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on December 27, 2014, 11:16:24 am
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 27, 2014, 02:06:38 pm
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)

I'd rate him more if the opposition was better than sub district level......you have a bloke on 96 and Shami delivers a medium pace half volley on leg stump.....most of us could have deflected that for four easy runs.
Dhoni has tried to bounce blokes out on a wicket that doesnt have much life and with a pop gun attack that only has 4 bowlers....go figure.
The Indians have a garbage attack and appear only half interested wit their eyes on the World Cup, really unless we are playing England or South Africa there is little competition in the world for Australia and teams like India and Pakistan only try when they are on home soil in their own conditions...

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 27, 2014, 08:03:39 pm
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)

I'd rate him more if the opposition was better than sub district level......you have a bloke on 96 and Shami delivers a medium pace half volley on leg stump.....most of us could have deflected that for four easy runs.
Dhoni has tried to bounce blokes out on a wicket that doesnt have much life and with a pop gun attack that only has 4 bowlers....go figure.
The Indians have a garbage attack and appear only half interested wit their eyes on the World Cup, really unless we are playing England or South Africa there is little competition in the world for Australia and teams like India and Pakistan only try when they are on home soil in their own conditions...

You can't do much more against good opposition than he has in the last 18 months. Absolute star.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 27, 2014, 08:15:19 pm
I think he has been doing alright while others have been failing. Our lower order has done well to keep our scores higher than they could be. Fair enough Elwood does make a point about how ordinary the Indian bowling attack is. How do our upper order batmen not go on to score far more than they have been. Our lower order at times appear to need to bowl well, and put the score up on the board when batting. If its not Harris, its Johnson or someone else like Starc.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 29, 2014, 01:10:43 pm
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)

I'd rate him more if the opposition was better than sub district level......you have a bloke on 96 and Shami delivers a medium pace half volley on leg stump.....most of us could have deflected that for four easy runs.
Dhoni has tried to bounce blokes out on a wicket that doesnt have much life and with a pop gun attack that only has 4 bowlers....go figure.
The Indians have a garbage attack and appear only half interested wit their eyes on the World Cup, really unless we are playing England or South Africa there is little competition in the world for Australia and teams like India and Pakistan only try when they are on home soil in their own conditions...
Steve Smith's played the very best opposition in the last 18 months.

India's made 400s every first innings so they're interested alright. Big difference is our bowlers....when they're batting. We haven't bowled great. Usually one bowler has done the job. In a reasonably close series we've won all the big moments that mattered.

Just wish we wouldn't serve up flat tracks for India. They'd doctor them for us big time. Give them green ones for a change and stop pandering to them.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 29, 2014, 10:42:58 pm
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)

I'd rate him more if the opposition was better than sub district level......you have a bloke on 96 and Shami delivers a medium pace half volley on leg stump.....most of us could have deflected that for four easy runs.
Dhoni has tried to bounce blokes out on a wicket that doesnt have much life and with a pop gun attack that only has 4 bowlers....go figure.
The Indians have a garbage attack and appear only half interested wit their eyes on the World Cup, really unless we are playing England or South Africa there is little competition in the world for Australia and teams like India and Pakistan only try when they are on home soil in their own conditions...
Steve Smith's played the very best opposition in the last 18 months.

India's made 400s every first innings so they're interested alright. Big difference is our bowlers....when they're batting. We haven't bowled great. Usually one bowler has done the job. In a reasonably close series we've won all the big moments that mattered.

Just wish we wouldn't serve up flat tracks for India. They'd doctor them for us big time. Give them green ones for a change and stop pandering to them.

Think some of the Indians are interested like Kholi who is batting well mainly due to his dislike of Johnson and wants to prove a point but you cant tell me Dhoni is trying.....my German Shepherd would be more keen behind the wicket and probably show more interest in the field placings....his batting has also been careless and lacking intent. Ishant Sharma is the same...130k half rat power deliveries and seems more interested in arguing with Warner than bowling....
Even Johnson looks disinterested and bowled a lot of half rat power carp at Rahane/Kholi and went back to the old Mitch and bowled half trackers wide of the wicket that got hammered......
Lyon couldnt even take a regulation caught and bowled such was his lack of concentration.....

The flat wickets are helping keep the games alive, if you cant make runs on these el paradiso tracks then you shouldnt be playing the game......Shane Watson says hello.

re: Smith....played well but I still have trouble rating a player who is so unorthodox and slogs like a park cricketer....Shami,Ishant, Yadav, Ashwin and Vijay aint quality no matter how much the chanenel 9 commentators build them up...

I am glad Kholi is playing as otherwise this series would be one of the most boring...agree on the green pitches, I would have served up green tops in every state although since the passing
of Phil Hughes I detect a reluctance from our quicks to bowl too many intimidating deliveries...been bouncers but not the targeted throat high ones that have to be fended off....


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 29, 2014, 11:07:41 pm
The flat wickets are helping keep the games alive, if you cant make runs on these el paradiso tracks then you shouldnt be playing the game......Shane Watson says hello.

I'd rather see Australia lose tests instead of persisting with these crappy flat wickets. We need to create an environment that makes batsmen, rather than one which harbours mediocrity.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 30, 2014, 12:13:44 am
Wally Edwards reckons Victoria is not doing enough to get players in the Test side and Tony Dodemaide blames the focus on the short forms of the game.

Quote
Cricket Australia chairman Wally Edwards has put the heat on Victoria to produce more Test cricketers with some pointed remarks during a Boxing Day Test that features more Victorians in the commentary box than on the field.

Edwards, speaking at luncheon on day two of the Melbourne Test, pointed to participation numbers that show Victoria boasts more cricketers than footballers, and more cricketers than the production-line state in NSW, but does not pull its weight in contributing players for the Test team.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/cricket-australia-asks-where-are-all-the-victorians-20141228-12enl0.html

Here I was thinking that NSW players were given their baggy green when they won their NSW cap  ;)

Seriously, it is a bit odd that Victoria has performed better than most in the Shield over many years but can't produce more than the occasional Test player.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 31, 2014, 12:07:47 am
Dhoni has just retired from test cricket so I feel a bit vindicated on my comments about his poor efforts and lack of intensity in this test series.
Clearly he wasnt interested in this series and is going to play 50 over and 20/20 cricket only  where he makes a fortune in the IPL etc...

Kholi will be the new captain which will be interesting given his attitude to anything in a baggy green and given today's farcical events between him Haddin, Warner and crew I can see things heating up.
If I was the umpires I wouldnt be putting up with much more of this and would be reporting players before it gets out of hand...Kholi has far too much to say for a player who who wasnt captain(now is) and Haddin likewise was baiting him all day and its not a good look for the game. Haddin, Warner and crew need to be told to back off and likewise Kholi needs to be told the same and not be so precious when things that are accidental like Johnson throw that him get him upset...
Johnson plays hard but doesnt IMO go out there to injure players and does show genuine concern when players are hurt by bouncers etc.....

Shaun Marsh played well for his 99 and is a good player to watch when he attacks and while I remain skeptical about his ability at test cricket I enjoyed his innings and sportsmanship.....he doesnt mouth off and also claps his opponents when they reach 50, 100 etc and behaves like a test cricketer should and I hope he can make some more runs and hold his place..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 31, 2014, 12:32:36 pm
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)

I'd rate him more if the opposition was better than sub district level......you have a bloke on 96 and Shami delivers a medium pace half volley on leg stump.....most of us could have deflected that for four easy runs.
Dhoni has tried to bounce blokes out on a wicket that doesnt have much life and with a pop gun attack that only has 4 bowlers....go figure.
The Indians have a garbage attack and appear only half interested wit their eyes on the World Cup, really unless we are playing England or South Africa there is little competition in the world for Australia and teams like India and Pakistan only try when they are on home soil in their own conditions...
Steve Smith's played the very best opposition in the last 18 months.

India's made 400s every first innings so they're interested alright. Big difference is our bowlers....when they're batting. We haven't bowled great. Usually one bowler has done the job. In a reasonably close series we've won all the big moments that mattered.

Just wish we wouldn't serve up flat tracks for India. They'd doctor them for us big time. Give them green ones for a change and stop pandering to them.

Think some of the Indians are interested like Kholi who is batting well mainly due to his dislike of Johnson and wants to prove a point but you cant tell me Dhoni is trying.....my German Shepherd would be more keen behind the wicket and probably show more interest in the field placings....his batting has also been careless and lacking intent. Ishant Sharma is the same...130k half rat power deliveries and seems more interested in arguing with Warner than bowling....
Even Johnson looks disinterested and bowled a lot of half rat power carp at Rahane/Kholi and went back to the old Mitch and bowled half trackers wide of the wicket that got hammered......
Lyon couldnt even take a regulation caught and bowled such was his lack of concentration.....

The flat wickets are helping keep the games alive, if you cant make runs on these el paradiso tracks then you shouldnt be playing the game......Shane Watson says hello.

re: Smith....played well but I still have trouble rating a player who is so unorthodox and slogs like a park cricketer....Shami,Ishant, Yadav, Ashwin and Vijay aint quality no matter how much the chanenel 9 commentators build them up...

I am glad Kholi is playing as otherwise this series would be one of the most boring...agree on the green pitches, I would have served up green tops in every state although since the passing
of Phil Hughes I detect a reluctance from our quicks to bowl too many intimidating deliveries...been bouncers but not the targeted throat high ones that have to be fended off....

Smith is a gun.  Averaging 50 in Tests now. He isn't just a slogger, he's a super batsman.

Just flat wickets, it why bowlers look like they're at half rat power. If you bent your back all day on those you'd know about it as you're bowling for a long time without reward. Actually have to pace yourself.  Pitches are ridiculously flat. How many times has a side made 400's, a couple of times mid-400s and keep getting beaten, or near beaten as in this Test. If ever green pitches should be provided for a team it should be India given both what they doctor up for us and they incessant whinging.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Raydan on January 01, 2015, 01:25:26 pm
CA witer Andrew Ramsay has just released his greatest world cup team ever;

1 Sanath Jayasuriya
2 Adam Gilchrist
3 Ricky Ponting VC
4 Sachin Tendulkar
5 Viv Richards
6 Brain Lara
7 Jacques Kallis
8 Imran Khan
9 Wasim Akram
10 Muthiah Muralidaran
11 Glenn McGrath

12th Ian Botham

What doesn't this side have? Dynamic openers, Hall of Fame mid order, When you can bat Kallis at 7 you know things are good. Then facing the bowling; Akram and McGrath with the swing and accuracy of Imran and Kallis them Murali with chuck a few overs down. With Viv & Jayasuriya to be change up bowlers. If someone did get a shot away and going for a quick single you'd have Viv, Ponting and Sachin throwing down the stumps.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/feature/andrew-ramsey-names-all-time-icc-cricket-world-cup-12/2014-12-31
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2015, 02:26:33 pm
CA witer Andrew Ramsay has just released his greatest world cup team ever;

1 Sanath Jayasuriya
2 Adam Gilchrist
3 Ricky Ponting VC
4 Sachin Tendulkar
5 Viv Richards
6 Brain Lara
7 Jacques Kallis
8 Imran Khan
9 Wasim Akram
10 Muthiah Muralidaran
11 Glenn McGrath

12th Ian Botham

What doesn't this side have? Dynamic openers, Hall of Fame mid order, When you can bat Kallis at 7 you know things are good. Then facing the bowling; Akram and McGrath with the swing and accuracy of Imran and Kallis them Murali with chuck a few overs down. With Viv & Jayasuriya to be change up bowlers. If someone did get a shot away and going for a quick single you'd have Viv, Ponting and Sachin throwing down the stumps.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/feature/andrew-ramsey-names-all-time-icc-cricket-world-cup-12/2014-12-31

Holy crap, that's some side. Two of the 3 greatest all rounders of all time in there. Imran, one of the greatest fast bowlers of all time, who could swing the ball at express pace, averaging 22 with the ball and 37 with the bat in Tests, and Kallis, who averaged 55 with the bat and 33 with the ball. Two of the most explosive batsmen of all time in Gilly and Richards, the brilliance of Lara and Ponting and one of the greatest exponent of swing bowling in Akram and the man closest to the greatest very quick in McGrath.

Reckon one could pick a second side near as good. Greenidge and Haynes at the top of the order, Lillee and Hadlee as the quicks, Botham as an all rounder, and Warne as the spinner.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 01, 2015, 06:03:53 pm
I'd have Botham in ahead of Kallis and Warne ahead  of Murali and I reckon AB De Villiers would also be in my team instead of Lara....AB's stats are just too good to ignore.

Chris Gayle would also be in instead of Jayasuriya.......more muscle and hitting power

Malcom Marshall  instead of McGrath.....Marshall can handle the bat and I prefer the extra firepower with the ball..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 01, 2015, 09:34:09 pm
Wally Edwards comments about Victoria not doing enough to produce Test cricketers have been shown up by the selection of Ashton Agar  :o

Forgetting the fact that he is originally a Victorian, his selection shows that form has nothing to do with getting picked; 7 wickets at 45 and 130 runs at 26 is hardly putting your hand up for a Test spot.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 02, 2015, 01:03:46 am
Wally Edwards comments about Victoria not doing enough to produce Test cricketers have been shown up by the selection of Ashton Agar  :o

Forgetting the fact that he is originally a Victorian, his selection shows that form has nothing to do with getting picked; 7 wickets at 45 and 130 runs at 26 is hardly putting your hand up for a Test spot.

How they didn't pick Boyce is beyond me
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on January 02, 2015, 02:06:01 pm
Wally Edwards comments about Victoria not doing enough to produce Test cricketers have been shown up by the selection of Ashton Agar  :o

Forgetting the fact that he is originally a Victorian, his selection shows that form has nothing to do with getting picked; 7 wickets at 45 and 130 runs at 26 is hardly putting your hand up for a Test spot.

How they didn't pick Boyce is beyond me

Would have Cam Boyce in my squad yes for sure.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 02, 2015, 03:26:33 pm
India play the spinners with ease and Smith can roll his arm over if we need an extra spinner...as it is Lyon really only supports the quicks and is never a real threat unless bowling with a million runs on the board where he can buy wickets
Be more exciting if we picked Pattinson or Cummins and went hard at India.
The Indians would be happy to see Agar or Boyce in at the expense of Hazlewood or Harris etc IMO...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 02, 2015, 09:54:54 pm
I reckon that we could play an extra quick - someone like Pattinson or Cummins - who could maintain the pace attack so we just use Watson and Lyon and the part timers at one end.  There are more than enough runs in the tail to go without one of the batsmen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 02, 2015, 10:10:18 pm
Any thought of Smith taking Bailey's spot as 20-20 captain is dead and buried!

Bailey's winning innings, and that six(6) tonight, surely fix his position for sometime to come!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 02, 2015, 10:46:35 pm
Any thought of Smith taking Bailey's spot as 20-20 captain is dead and buried!

Bailey's winning innings, and that six(6) tonight, surely fix his position for sometime to come!

Really woke the crowd up tonight, didn't he ? I would not have guessed they could chase down a total so large before they went in to bat. I should have thought twice. :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on January 07, 2015, 11:50:10 am
Smith's 4th First innings hundred four tests in a row still won't be enough for some... I couldn't give a stuff about India's Pop Gun attack...the guy can bat and has a great temperament... unlike Watson who is a Spud and has enjoyed 3 years of Test Cricket  he didn't deserve ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 07, 2015, 02:38:08 pm
One ball moved on the morning session and Rodgers nicked it.  Watson nicks in the last over of the day then holes out.  These pitches and bowling make some of our blokes look better than they are.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 07, 2015, 09:52:58 pm
Watching the game today showed me this is an easy pitch to make runs on. India are easy to score against  as they have no pressure in their bowling tactics. They bowl rubbish delivery, after rubbish delivery. Don't even start on their fielding and taking catches. Really could have had Rogers, Watson and Marsh out before they went on to score great innings. This is the first time in a long time the upper order batsmen all scored really well. Rogers 95, Warner 101, Smith 117, Marsh 73, Burns 58. When is the last time we had the top 5 batsmen all firing over half centuries ?

That was nice to see, and Harris hitting 25 off 9 balls was fun to watch too.

If Australia can take 3 wickets early in the first session of play tomorrow, they may have the Indian team on the ropes. The pressure may creep on them and make them choke. If however they lose only one wicket, or none by lunchtime, it will be a long day in the field for the Aussies, and the game will be headed for a no result. I think the Aussies needed to swing the bat earlier today to declare earlier, to give themselves more time to bowl India out. We look like we might run out of time with this match. But you never really know what can happen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on January 08, 2015, 07:43:00 am
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 08, 2015, 08:40:00 am
Watching the game today showed me this is an easy pitch to make runs on. India are easy to score against  as they have no pressure in their bowling tactics. They bowl rubbish delivery, after rubbish delivery. Don't even start on their fielding and taking catches. Really could have had Rogers, Watson and Marsh out before they went on to score great innings. This is the first time in a long time the upper order batsmen all scored really well. Rogers 95, Warner 101, Smith 117, Marsh 73, Burns 58. When is the last time we had the top 5 batsmen all firing over half centuries ?

That was nice to see, and Harris hitting 25 off 9 balls was fun to watch too.

If Australia can take 3 wickets early in the first session of play tomorrow, they may have the Indian team on the ropes. The pressure may creep on them and make them choke. If however they lose only one wicket, or none by lunchtime, it will be a long day in the field for the Aussies, and the game will be headed for a no result. I think the Aussies needed to swing the bat earlier today to declare earlier, to give themselves more time to bowl India out. We look like we might run out of time with this match. But you never really know what can happen.

I'd give up fast bowling if I was presented with this pitch on a regular basis......on the back of Adelaide & Melbourne as well.

Geez we've rolled the welcome mat out for the Indian bats compared to what we got for the Ashes last year...which was pretty much perfect for mine (but that's coming from an ex quick of course !)

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on January 08, 2015, 09:10:39 am
Watching the game today showed me this is an easy pitch to make runs on. India are easy to score against  as they have no pressure in their bowling tactics. They bowl rubbish delivery, after rubbish delivery. Don't even start on their fielding and taking catches. Really could have had Rogers, Watson and Marsh out before they went on to score great innings. This is the first time in a long time the upper order batsmen all scored really well. Rogers 95, Warner 101, Smith 117, Marsh 73, Burns 58. When is the last time we had the top 5 batsmen all firing over half centuries ?

That was nice to see, and Harris hitting 25 off 9 balls was fun to watch too.

If Australia can take 3 wickets early in the first session of play tomorrow, they may have the Indian team on the ropes. The pressure may creep on them and make them choke. If however they lose only one wicket, or none by lunchtime, it will be a long day in the field for the Aussies, and the game will be headed for a no result. I think the Aussies needed to swing the bat earlier today to declare earlier, to give themselves more time to bowl India out. We look like we might run out of time with this match. But you never really know what can happen.

I'd give up fast bowling if I was presented with this pitch on a regular basis......on the back of Adelaide & Melbourne as well.

Geez we've rolled the welcome mat out for the Indian bats compared to what we got for the Ashes last year...which was pretty much perfect for mine (but that's coming from an ex quick of course !)
Don't forget the Indians run World Cricket...wickets we prepared were at their request... ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 08, 2015, 09:52:39 am
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 08, 2015, 04:38:59 pm
Be nice if we left slightly more juice in these pitches..... YAWN.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 08, 2015, 07:35:20 pm
Be nice if we left slightly more juice in these pitches..... YAWN.

It just shows who is running cricket these days - imagine if we prepared our pitches to meet the Poms' requirements  ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 08, 2015, 09:10:37 pm
Be nice if we left slightly more juice in these pitches..... YAWN.

It just shows who is running cricket these days - imagine if we prepared our pitches to meet the Poms' requirements  ::)

No wonder New Zealand are winning every series at home of late, they must be the only team in the world that play on wickets with any grass or sideways movement....
India have stuffed cricket with all their money, IPL comp, we have more match fixing(hello Chris Cairns and Lou Vincent) thanks to all the dirty money in the game and
players like Glen Maxwell getting a million bucks a season to play cross batted park cricket is ridiculous IMO..
Players like Chris Gayle have turned their back on their country for Indian money and the Windies are just a basket case in terms of cricketing structure back home and are a 3rd  world team.....half of Pakistans team are in jail for match fixing.

Australia, England, South Africa are about the only countries who you can trust to be fair dinkum when they go out to play these days.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 08, 2015, 09:28:31 pm
This match is a waste of time. There will be no result. I would have rather watched a match on a pitch that challenges batsmen to reach a total of 300 to 330 and have a result over 5 days. All we have done is given batsmen a chance to lift their average scores. Whether it is a deliberate thing with the curators, its just not entertaining for the public. I don't remember so many centuries in a test series for years now.

These are all batsmen that would have struggled on greener pitches with bowlers that know how to bowl. Holding, Lillee, Akram, Khan, Garner, McGrath, Warne etc.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: northernblue on January 09, 2015, 09:21:30 am
This match is a waste of time. There will be no result. I would have rather watched a match on a pitch that challenges batsmen to reach a total of 300 to 330 and have a result over 5 days. All we have done is given batsmen a chance to lift their average scores. Whether it is a deliberate thing with the curators, its just not entertaining for the public. I don't remember so many centuries in a test series for years now.

These are all batsmen that would have struggled on greener pitches with bowlers that know how to bowl. Holding, Lillee, Akram, Khan, Garner, McGrath, Warne etc.

Geez mants, popgun attack or what ?
Edit: I mean, exactly who would score runs against that attack ?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 09, 2015, 10:07:46 am
Be nice if we left slightly more juice in these pitches..... YAWN.

It just shows who is running cricket these days - imagine if we prepared our pitches to meet the Poms' requirements  ::)

No wonder New Zealand are winning every series at home of late, they must be the only team in the world that play on wickets with any grass or sideways movement....
India have stuffed cricket with all their money, IPL comp, we have more match fixing(hello Chris Cairns and Lou Vincent) thanks to all the dirty money in the game and
players like Glen Maxwell getting a million bucks a season to play cross batted park cricket is ridiculous IMO..
Players like Chris Gayle have turned their back on their country for Indian money and the Windies are just a basket case in terms of cricketing structure back home and are a 3rd  world team.....half of Pakistans team are in jail for match fixing.

Australia, England, South Africa are about the only countries who you can trust to be fair dinkum when they go out to play these days.....

We should exclusively turn our Test Cricket into a Tri-Nations comp among these 3 sides.........tell the rest they can get stuffed & play amongst themselves.  England & Aus are the only countries that still get crowds (& therefore revenue) by turning up in droves to test matches, that's why all the other sides want to play us.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 09, 2015, 04:28:35 pm
Getting tired of one side constantly chasing the game and the other sandbagging.  They might have more rub of the green if they starting forcing things.

Ashwin's caromb ball was a shorter but gees it looks like a chuck.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 09, 2015, 09:33:42 pm
This match is a waste of time. There will be no result. I would have rather watched a match on a pitch that challenges batsmen to reach a total of 300 to 330 and have a result over 5 days. All we have done is given batsmen a chance to lift their average scores. Whether it is a deliberate thing with the curators, its just not entertaining for the public. I don't remember so many centuries in a test series for years now.

These are all batsmen that would have struggled on greener pitches with bowlers that know how to bowl. Holding, Lillee, Akram, Khan, Garner, McGrath, Warne etc.

Geez mants, popgun attack or what ?
Edit: I mean, exactly who would score runs against that attack ?

I know I probably chose some of the best bowlers ever to play the game. The point I was trying to make, is that this Indian bowling line up are so far away from the best, that most decent batsmen could score centuries against them with ease. They bowl half volley deliveries, pitch it in too short, or bowl wide of the stumps way too often. In fact if any of them manage to bowl 2 or 3 good deliveries in an over, it is a miracle. Their fielding is an absolute joke, and they drop catches worse than we do. We haven't taken some of our chances in this test. India is just worse.

Kohli has been brilliant with the bat. Cannot fault his attitude or application. I would give him the thumbs up if he ever wanted to play for us. Knows when to be patient and knows when to attack. He would probably bat a good score no matter who bowled at him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 09, 2015, 10:30:58 pm
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Did well in South Africa against the best fast bowling attack in the world.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 09, 2015, 11:41:03 pm
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Did well in South Africa against the best fast bowling attack in the world.

Fair point Jim , he was good vs the Saffies who have a very good attack.....I'll be onboard more when he makes runs vs the English next ashes series....
Watson has done enough to tour the Windies and his bowling was very handy which we will need given M. Marsh being a doubtful quantity...
Mitchell Starc might be good value on the Windies tour...it made Glen McGrath as a bowler and I'd like to see Starc take some of the load of Johnson and Harris....the latter needs some rest time  for the Ashes where I think he can help us win the series...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on January 10, 2015, 12:04:11 am
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Did well in South Africa against the best fast bowling attack in the world.

Fair point Jim , he was good vs the Saffies who have a very good attack.....I'll be onboard more when he makes runs vs the English next ashes series....


Smith has done more than enough to warrant a pass from any form of scrutiny this summer. Player of the year based on his recent performances.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on January 10, 2015, 09:17:59 am
Yesterday afternoon certainly wasn't boring. Specially Smith and Burns.

Today has the potential to be a great finish. Kohli will go all out for a win I reckon, so there will be runs and wickets, at least for a little while.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on January 10, 2015, 11:04:36 am
The Australian team are fair dinkum, but Cricket Australia have bowed to the whims of Indian Board and produced these "roads" for this series, taking Mitchell Johnson and the rest of our fast bowlers right out of the equation. It has back fired somewhat, as the Indians have not been able to take 20 wickets in any of the tests, whilst our guys have still been good enough to "winkle out" their bats and win the series, albeit without the fiery pace we should have seen.
The Ashes series will be different as both sides have good depth in fast bowling stocks, and the Indian Board has been taken out of the equation....all my opinion of course, love a good conspiracy ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mav on January 10, 2015, 02:01:40 pm
Anybody see Carl Barron on The Cricket Show?  He was there to spruik a movie, but did himself no favours.  Anyone plucked from the crowd would have been funnier.  You'd think he would have prepared a few funny stories to get things going.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on January 10, 2015, 07:27:32 pm
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Can't agree sorry elwood. He's shown he can match it and has the eye to bit a moving ball or leave it. Many players with good techniques have fluffed it at 3 and I want a bloke with the confidence and 'want' to bat at 3. He has the Ponting self-belief too which I think cannot be underestimated. He's good enough too IMHO.

Watson, S.Marsh, Cowan, and these blokes aint up to it. Shaun Marsh needs runs in The Windies badly. She reckon he's too soft mentally when batting and a liability in the field.

Burns not ready and could become a long-term opening partner for Warner IMO but either way not at 3 just yet if ever.

Clarke no good at 3 and doesnt want it let alone batting at 4. Reckon Clarkey will want Watson at 3, Smith to stay at 4 so he can come back to no.5 his preferred spot and thats ok.

Watson soft and doesnt look like he wants to bat there. It's still as an opener or no where for him IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 10, 2015, 07:35:10 pm
Too many of these blokes eg Marsh, Burns are average fielders which is a real problem as well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 10, 2015, 07:43:10 pm
Anybody see Carl Barron on The Cricket Show?  He was there to spruik a movie, but did himself no favours.  Anyone plucked from the crowd would have been funnier.  You'd think he would have prepared a few funny stories to get things going.

Agree....5 minutes of my life wasted on that non funny segment...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 11, 2015, 04:22:15 pm
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Can't agree sorry elwood. He's shown he can match it and has the eye to bit a moving ball or leave it. Many players with good techniques have fluffed it at 3 and I want a bloke with the confidence and 'want' to bat at 3. He has the Ponting self-belief too which I think cannot be underestimated. He's good enough too IMHO.

Watson, S.Marsh, Cowan, and these blokes aint up to it. Shaun Marsh needs runs in The Windies badly. She reckon he's too soft mentally when batting and a liability in the field.

Burns not ready and could become a long-term opening partner for Warner IMO but either way not at 3 just yet if ever.

Clarke no good at 3 and doesnt want it let alone batting at 4. Reckon Clarkey will want Watson at 3, Smith to stay at 4 so he can come back to no.5 his preferred spot and thats ok.

Watson soft and doesnt look like he wants to bat there. It's still as an opener or no where for him IMO.

I'd like another look at Cowan. Huge a huge summer including a double 150 last game and is batting very aggressively. Remember from our golden era every one of our batsmen were dropped at one stage before turning into absolute superstars. Happy to try Cowan again at 3.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 11, 2015, 04:23:43 pm
Too many of these blokes eg Marsh, Burns are average fielders which is a real problem as well.

Yes, bit worried about our fielding. It's been exceptionally poor in the catching dept in the last 2 Tests and cost us a 4-0 series win.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 11, 2015, 08:46:17 pm
Too many of these blokes eg Marsh, Burns are average fielders which is a real problem as well.

Yes, bit worried about our fielding. It's been exceptionally poor in the catching dept in the last 2 Tests and cost us a 4-0 series win.

I agree our fielding hasn't been sensational in this series. They take the difficult catches, but miss the catches that they would usually take.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: HaroldBishop on January 13, 2015, 10:52:46 am
I'd like another look at Cowan. Huge a huge summer including a double 150 last game and is batting very aggressively. Remember from our golden era every one of our batsmen were dropped at one stage before turning into absolute superstars. Happy to try Cowan again at 3.

Langer springs to mind. Was quite pedestrian in his first stint but once dropped he turned himself into a more aggressive batsmen and killed it on his recall.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 13, 2015, 12:25:24 pm
Cowan is nothing flash in the field and is a poor runner between the wickets but I guess on weight of runs should get another opportunity....we need another Rodgers type who can take over and play support to Warner so I guess Cowan would be in the frame for that job after the next ashes series...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 13, 2015, 01:55:30 pm
I'm surprised that Clarke was named in the ODI squad, he is a far better player in the longer format. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 13, 2015, 02:16:57 pm
I'm surprised that Clarke was named in the ODI squad, he is a far better player in the longer format.

Rod Marsh wants him to bowl some left arm spin so they dont have to play Doherty in some games and if they need the extra spinner but I tend to agree
he is better at the longer format..

With Smith the apprentice captain doing well and Clarke a test by test proposition I reckon the ashes will be his last test series, he spent some time
in the commentary box with his mate Warnie looking after him in the last month and I think the media is where his medium term future lies.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on January 13, 2015, 05:03:46 pm
With his salary and sponsor deals he won't have to work ever again if he doesn't want to.

Throw in the hot model GF and its all looking peachy for pup.

...

Cowan to 3, Watson to 6?

Then once Rogers retires after the Ashes, move Watson up to open with Warner.

Can't stand Watson, but based on him hitting 80 and taking a few wickets last test he is now guaranteed another 5 years in our side I'd suggest...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on January 13, 2015, 05:36:47 pm
he spent some time
in the commentary box with his mate Warnie looking after him in the last month and I think the media is where his medium term future lies.
GREAT....CAN"T WAIT ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 18, 2015, 09:59:54 pm
The big show... As NWA said "don't believe the hype"
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on January 19, 2015, 01:26:39 am
The big show... As NWA said "don't believe the hype"

100% agree. FWIW I was never on board and he's done Jack crape to change my opinion. Gives the bowlers more than a #10 with his early stances in attack. Poor cricketer IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: HaroldBishop on January 19, 2015, 10:07:46 am
The big show... As NWA said "don't believe the hype"

Public Enemy.

But yes I agree. His arrogance is astounding in the way he bats. Surely he must be losing some support within the team.

Assuming everyone is fit I think it's safe to say the below are lock-ins as our best side for the World Cup:

1. Warner
2. Finch
3. Watson
4. Smith
5. Clarke
6.
7. Haddin
8. Faulkner
9. Johnson
10. Starc
11.

At this stage maybe Hazlewood as the third quick but I don't know what to do about 6. Do we play Bailey and get 40 overs from Faulkner/Johnson/Starc and Hazlewood and then another 10 from Watson and Clarke/Finch for a bit of spin? That's probably the way I'm leaning. That gives us plenty of batting with Starc at 10 being more than capable.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 19, 2015, 10:51:06 am
Maybe it was a wearing deck but I wasn't impressed with our batting.  Some of the lack of game awareness at times stuns me.  We have a major weakness against off spin, which someone will exploit.

None of Finch, Watson, Cummins, Bailey or Maxwell should be considered locks at this stage.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 19, 2015, 12:00:20 pm
The big show... As NWA said "don't believe the hype"

Public Enemy.

But yes I agree. His arrogance is astounding in the way he bats. Surely he must be losing some support within the team.

Assuming everyone is fit I think it's safe to say the below are lock-ins as our best side for the World Cup:

1. Warner
2. Finch
3. Watson
4. Smith
5. Clarke
6.
7. Haddin
8. Faulkner
9. Johnson
10. Starc
11.

At this stage maybe Hazlewood as the third quick but I don't know what to do about 6. Do we play Bailey and get 40 overs from Faulkner/Johnson/Starc and Hazlewood and then another 10 from Watson and Clarke/Finch for a bit of spin? That's probably the way I'm leaning. That gives us plenty of batting with Starc at 10 being more than capable.

I don't even think it's arrogance with Maxwell. I thinks it's pure an simply a complete lack of cricket nous & match awareness......which is worse.

The great players have arrogance (combined with a great match awareness).

And speaking of perceived arrogance, you know what...if Kevin Pietersen had chose to settle in Aus instead of England....he'd be still playing Test Cricket for us......and be a vital (missing) cog in our World Cup middle order !

cheers

Mal.




Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 19, 2015, 12:05:07 pm
As touched on above, if Maxwell stabilised his stance and kept his shape he may have more chance of connecting with real shots instead of trying to manufacture shots and crazy swipes.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 19, 2015, 12:18:29 pm
The big show... As NWA said "don't believe the hype"

Public Enemy.

But yes I agree. His arrogance is astounding in the way he bats. Surely he must be losing some support within the team.

I remember a lot of people, maybe even myself included, said exactly he same about Warner when he first appeared.

And if I recall, Kevin Pietersen claimed he got a similar reception from the public the first time he played reverse sweeps or switch hits. He tells a story about going out for a duck in a Test match playing a reverse sweep!
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 19, 2015, 01:44:26 pm
I think Watson is a lock in for the WC......while he cant turn many starts into centuries he is still very handy with the bat and his bowling is very accurate and
he has that partnership breaking ability you need.

David Warner....great talent as we all know but as Martin Crowe has suggested one of the most juvenile players to have ever played the game.
The incident with Rohit Sharma was an embarrassment and even though he said he got it wrong with the deflection from his throw and that he shouldnt have engaged
Sharma  he now wont apologise....poor form.
He continues to hide behind the excuse that Australia play aggressive cricket...no one supports aggressive cricket more than me but there is a line and he continues to cross it. One day another nutter like a Keiran Pollard will lose it with him on or off the field and there will be a physical altercation and Warner will be on the receiving end.

He needs to be warned by CA that he will be dropped if his behaviour doesnt improve......50% of his match fine is nothing for well paid International cricketers....
Love watching Warner bat but cringe at his behaviour and its going to end badly one day for him if he doesnt grow up..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 19, 2015, 02:50:13 pm
The incident with Rohit Sharma was an embarrassment and even though he said he got it wrong with the deflection from his throw and that he shouldnt have engaged

The bloke who should be wearing some heat about the situation is Haddin, he basically made the inference that set the whole situation in play just to cover up a piss-weak one handed keeping effort! ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on January 19, 2015, 03:32:22 pm
ICC should simply start suspending players.

It's childish rubbish mainly... I don't understand why so many of them get sucked in to it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 19, 2015, 09:34:29 pm
I think that Warner's behaviour is appalling and the cricket authorities really should clamp down on poor behaviour and time wasting.  However, I wouldn't mind someone with Warner's attitude in navy blue.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 19, 2015, 09:39:50 pm
I think that Warner's behaviour is appalling and the cricket authorities really should clamp down on poor behaviour and time wasting.  However, I wouldn't mind someone with Warner's attitude in navy blue.

Good point. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 23, 2015, 03:38:33 pm
I have to admit I am not impressed with the Vic tactics, boring their way to a shield victory is a very high risk option, by playing to draw they keep WA in the game longer!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 24, 2015, 03:46:40 pm
Victoria wasted the ideal batting conditions, were cheaply bowled out after overnight rain leaving a 1st innings deficit. Lost Pattinson to injury after five overs, bad for Victoria but worse for Australia. And now have the WA openers chasing quick runs at ODI rates with little resistance!

This is how to finish top and lose a cricket match.

The Vics may have well took the field wearing thumb screws, and they did it to themselves! They will be praying for enough rain so that they don't have to bat last on a rain affected pitch.

All that is good and bad in Sheffield Shield cricket wrapped up in one match!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on June 13, 2015, 10:21:43 pm
Does anyone know where to stream or listen to the Test Match?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 13, 2015, 10:25:09 pm
Does anyone know where to stream or listen to the Test Match?

http://watchcric.net/   ...dont know how slow/quick it is or how it operates..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on June 13, 2015, 10:34:16 pm
http://watchcric.net/   ...dont know how slow/quick it is or how it operates..

It's so depressing, I just want to go to bed and listen to the cricket on the radio like I have for the last 30 years. Feck me, I have no idea how they can damage the brand like this and think they are doing the right thing by the game. Kids are not even interested, nobody I know buys Foxtel and you cannot even sit around a fire or barbecue and listen to the cricket.

Those megalomaniacs running this crape must lie their arse off to investors and advertisers because the audience is effectively zero!

The world is all fecked up and going down the gurgler!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 13, 2015, 11:24:43 pm
It's so depressing, I just want to go to bed and listen to the cricket on the radio like I have for the last 30 years. Feck me, I have no idea how they can damage the brand like this and think they are doing the right thing by the game. Kids are not even interested, nobody I know buys Foxtel and you cannot even sit around a fire or barbecue and listen to the cricket.

Those megalomaniacs running this crape must lie their arse off to investors and advertisers because the audience is effectively zero!

The world is all fecked up and going down the gurgler!


Agree....listened to my first cricket matches on a crystal radio I built, its such a shame the ABC and BBC seem out of the loop in World Cricket and its it just
used to be a institution that you could listen to every Aussie test match by radio.
The Indian monopoly on all things cricket has stuffed the game and taken it away from being the peoples game and free to all  to a TV game where you pay for everything..
Enjoy the Ashes while its still free...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on June 14, 2015, 10:02:08 pm

Agree....listened to my first cricket matches on a crystal radio I built, its such a shame the ABC and BBC seem out of the loop in World Cricket and its it just
used to be a institution that you could listen to every Aussie test match by radio.
The Indian monopoly on all things cricket has stuffed the game and taken it away from being the peoples game and free to all  to a TV game where you pay for everything..
Enjoy the Ashes while its still free...

I used to wake up with my crystal set earpiece cord wrapped around my neck!

ABC cricket broadcasts should be mandatory as part of the ABC's charter and with guaranteed funding.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on June 15, 2015, 10:32:38 am

Agree....listened to my first cricket matches on a crystal radio I built, its such a shame the ABC and BBC seem out of the loop in World Cricket and its it just
used to be a institution that you could listen to every Aussie test match by radio.
The Indian monopoly on all things cricket has stuffed the game and taken it away from being the peoples game and free to all  to a TV game where you pay for everything..
Enjoy the Ashes while its still free...

It's unbelievable that in this age of technology the options to freely listen to/watch cricket are worse than they were 50 years ago......I couldn't even find a radio commentary stream. No-ones going to games, or following test matches, but it's OK coz the governing bodies are all filling their pockets from the elitist media coverage....

grrrrr.

Mal.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 pm
Brendon Julian never really made the cricket headlines a lot as a player but as a commentator he has for all the wrong reasons, while presenting awards
in the West Indies he did a Sandy Roberts and presented the " Sir Wank Worrell trophy".......pretty much sums up the series really....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on June 15, 2015, 05:18:18 pm
Brendon Julian never really made the cricket headlines a lot as a player but as a commentator he has for all the wrong reasons, while presenting awards
in the West Indies he did a Sandy Roberts and presented the " Sir Wank Worrell trophy".......pretty much sums up the series really....

Still it would have been nice to hear it!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on July 08, 2015, 08:13:55 pm
Wouldn't matter how many runs Marsh got in the lead up matches.....we just gotta have that Selfish Spud Watson in the side earning or not his $3million a year.....pfft :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on July 08, 2015, 11:26:05 pm
Haddins dropped catch looks like it might cost us.

We started well, haven't been able to back it up in the 2nd session so far.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 09, 2015, 08:24:58 am
Haddins dropped catch looks like it might cost us.

We started well, haven't been able to back it up in the 2nd session so far.

Yeah...only cost 134 runs..well done Brad.  7-340 is Ok in the end, need to skittle the tail rather quickly though.

That wasn't a pitch either, it was a cold bread pudding.  Balls bouncing twice to the keeper in the first over of a test match.  Bodes well for no bowler.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 09, 2015, 10:16:54 am
Bowling was very inconsistent.... Jaffas mixed with overpitched trash.  Awful pitch for our pacemen, classic home team manipulation.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 09, 2015, 10:34:15 am
Bowling was very inconsistent.... Jaffas mixed with overpitched trash.  Awful pitch for our pacemen, classic home team manipulation.

It's just not good enough Test Match bowling from the leftys....as usual from Starc.  Hazelwood bowled well.  Trouble is, Starc always seems to bowl just enough wicket takers to get him a couple of ......and a whole lot of garbage with no pressure on for the rest of it.  Honestly, I'd prefer Sidds & Hazelwood in England.  The pitches are not going to suit Johnson at all, deliberately of course, but you can't afford to have both he & Starc in the same side.

I hope Cummings gets a run in one of the Tests....although if he does it will be if we are well under the pump & 1 or tests down !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on July 09, 2015, 11:00:07 am
I watched till after lunch, didn't think we bowled well, but apart from Root they didn't bat very well either. If Gary Ballance is #3 we don't have too much to worry about.

Reckon we will post a big score and skittle the poms in the 2nd innings.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 09, 2015, 11:01:47 am
It's just not good enough Test Match bowling from the leftys....as usual from Starc.  Hazelwood bowled well.  Trouble is, Starc always seems to bowl just enough wicket takers to get him a couple of ......and a whole lot of garbage with no pressure on for the rest of it.  Honestly, I'd prefer Sidds & Hazelwood in England.  The pitches are not going to suit Johnson at all, deliberately of course, but you can't afford to have both he & Starc in the same side.

I hope Cummings gets a run in one of the Tests....although if he does it will be if we are well under the pump & 1 or tests down !

Particularly on pitches like that  ::)

Starc and Johnson are wicket takers but they are expensive and not suited to pitches that take the pace out of the ball.  Siddle tying up one end would put more pressure on the batsmen.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 09, 2015, 01:28:23 pm
I watched till after lunch, didn't think we bowled well, but apart from Root they didn't bat very well either. If Gary Ballance is #3 we don't have too much to worry about.

Reckon we will post a big score and skittle the poms in the 2nd innings.

Thought Stokes and Ali threw the blade ok as well as Root who batted brilliantly IMO....all the talk of 5-0 has made us a bit soft in approach IMO, we lacked venom and hunger
and looked like we thought it was just a case of rocking up and the Poms would surrender.
Seen Glaciers move faster than Watto in the field and the sooner M. Marsh is in the team the better...

If Root can make it look easy so can our batters ie Warner , Smith etc although runs on the board like England have does always create pressure.....we can still win the game and while
England have their nose in front it was more of a case us of us playing poorly than them being anything special..Root aside.....maybe Warner can keep his mouth shut next time as Root looked like he had a point to prove.
 re: Gary Ballance.....another English boring barnacle with no shots apart from the outside edge through slips...reckon the English supporters would have been glad he got out as well...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 09, 2015, 09:02:27 pm
Englands tail is flogging our bowling...playing Ali at No 8 has really messed with our bowlers, he is an opener by trade and we just seemed to have bowled at him like a tailender and its really cost us. Hope playing eight batsman cost England though when they have to bowl as Ali is just a part timer and should be easy pickings on this wicket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on July 09, 2015, 09:03:47 pm
If the Aussies ever get to bat on this road....probably about lunchtime tomorrow the way it's going....watch em F..K it up.....very unimpressed with what is going on so far....bowlers cannot find a line...therefore 9/420 odd...how these flogs have put on nearly 100 this morning is beyond me...new ball too:-(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 09, 2015, 09:12:20 pm
If we lose this test Haddin should be dropped.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on July 09, 2015, 09:14:09 pm
Oh ...and why has Clarke got Johnson 3/4s to the fence at mid off...cost him 2 catches so far..coulda been batting 20 minutes ago...A1 Skipper!  :P
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 09, 2015, 09:23:05 pm
This test is gone .

Need rain.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 10, 2015, 12:27:00 am
Without wishing to put the mockers on him, young Rogers is doing OK.  Hopefully, he will go on and turn this 50 into a ton.

Smith got tangled up after looking OK.

A couple of the commentators are suggesting that Siddle should have played.  They are also hoping to see Pattinson in action.  It will be hard to drop Starc after his five for and Johnson looks rusted on to his spot.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 10, 2015, 08:33:40 am
Poor shots from Smith, Clarke & Voges, gave their wickets away.  Smith & Clarke obviously trying to target Ali (which is a good move.....if they really put pressure on his bowling, can the Poms afford to play him as a specialist # 8 ?), but they just gifted him two wickets instead !

And yes....for the life of me, on a ground this size why the heck would you have Johnson 3/4 the way to the boundary ?......with these bats anything even half hit will carry over his head.

Watson & Haddin, your turn now.  Need another 150.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on July 10, 2015, 10:59:58 am
Poor shots from Smith, Clarke & Voges, gave their wickets away.  Smith & Clarke obviously trying to target Ali (which is a good move.....if they really put pressure on his bowling, can the Poms afford to play him as a specialist # 8 ?), but they just gifted him two wickets instead !

And yes....for the life of me, on a ground this size why the heck would you have Johnson 3/4 the way to the boundary ?......with these bats anything even half hit will carry over his head.

Watson & Haddin, your turn now.  Need another 150.
Looks like their plans and egos got in the road of sensible thinking. Giving away wickets is always a sin, but especially on the flat pitch.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on July 10, 2015, 07:24:52 pm
Without wishing to put the mockers on him, young Rogers is doing OK.... 

Thanks DJC !! :P

Rogers aside, a pretty poor performance by us, Watson, Haddin, Johnson to try and save us.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 10, 2015, 08:25:57 pm
Thanks DJC !! :P

Rogers aside, a pretty poor performance by us, Watson, Haddin, Johnson to try and save us.

 :-[

At least he scored another 45 runs.

It was a pretty poor performance by the ather batsmen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 10, 2015, 09:16:59 pm
Why does Watson continue to get a game? Getting the feeling some if these guys have played a series too many....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on July 10, 2015, 09:23:38 pm
Why does Watson continue to get a game? Getting the feeling some if these guys have played a series too many....

Watson, Haddin - should have been pushed some time ago......too much of a boys club is CA - sounds a lot lke CFC!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 10, 2015, 09:25:51 pm
An allrounder is supposed to be able to bat and bowl.... Competitively.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on July 11, 2015, 11:56:11 pm
All over bar the shouting now...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 12, 2015, 12:55:37 am
There should be a few changes and I suspect Watson's career may be over.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 12, 2015, 02:11:14 am
Johnson batted well but I think that served to demonstrate how poorly the specialist batsmen and "all rounder" played.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on July 12, 2015, 01:00:12 pm
if they drop watson and haddin for good, its a great result

haddin dropped the ashes with root....imo

the aussie selectors have to show some spine and and bring some talent in ...ashton agar is taking wickets and marsh with runs

the aussie selectors are hopeless when it comes to  england ashes series...voges, haddin, watson is a dads army...

the bowlers have been hopless with the duke ball...again another hopeless ashes preparation.

too  many rock stars and tattoos in the australian side now..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on July 12, 2015, 07:14:53 pm
It appears swing is king when bowling in England, we need a couple of Terry Aldermans in the side.

Our batting is brittle as well, an AB type player who is willing to tough an innings out might be helpful as well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on July 12, 2015, 07:18:51 pm
Terry Alderman now there was a great swing bowler if I ever saw one. Was far from express after his injury as well but would still open the bowling. The smiling assassin.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 12, 2015, 07:23:57 pm
It appears swing is king when bowling in England, we need a couple of Terry Aldermans in the side.

Our batting is brittle as well, an AB type player who is willing to tough an innings out might be helpful as well.

Just hit the seam will do and bowl good areas and to the plan.

Glen McGrath took a billion wickets and swung it twice in his career.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: spf on July 12, 2015, 08:44:23 pm
Time to get Siddle in after the Harris retirement. Siddle probably would not have expected to play a test but you know what you get with him.

If he can deliver from close to the stumps and bowl stump to stump with a little bit of cut he will be a marked improvement from what we've had. Not express but certainly 135kph which Broad was for most of the match. Not being as tall he won't get the bounce but not many did and Mark Wood is shorter than Siddle but hits the pitch hard and in the right areas.

A siddle combination with Lyon and Hazelwood will at least build pressure.

As for Shane Watson it's now a mere formality that his place is now Mitchell Marsh's for good. Australia might do well to think about whether Watson has any further use in the test setup and if not probably swap him out for someone from the Australia A tour. His body language was poor and his pace was only slightly more than David Warners medium pace and I'd rather Mitchell Johnson having a go as batsman right now - we'd lose nothing.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 12, 2015, 08:54:30 pm
England pitched the ball up more and Broad in particular was more concerned with line and length than trying to bounce or intimidate batsman...our blokes tried to drive good deliveries and paid the price. Bayliss has obviously decided that trying to fight fire with fire wont work and that he will make it hard to score runs and build up pressure by instructing his bowlers to bowl line and length. There were no cute fielding positions but Cook didnt get carried away with attacking either and had some of his field back as cover for well hit shots.
Their long batting lineup also provided problems and the days of the long English tail look over with even bowler Wood able to handle the willow.....

Playing Siddle is a risk IMO..he is very military medium pace these days and while he is a warrior who will toil all day he is also very easy to hit around and I would prefer
the pace of Cummins to replace Starc if he doesnt come up...
Siddle may be the same pace as Broad but the Englishman is about a foot taller and gets the bounce you need at that pace...
M. Marsh in for Watson is a no brainer IMO....

Watching Watto, Rogers and Voges in the outfield also made me thing we need some younger quicker fielders..Watto in particular is like treacle chasing in the outfield...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on July 13, 2015, 08:44:00 am
England pitched the ball up more and Broad in particular was more concerned with line and length than trying to bounce or intimidate batsman...our blokes tried to drive good deliveries and paid the price. Bayliss has obviously decided that trying to fight fire with fire wont work and that he will make it hard to score runs and build up pressure by instructing his bowlers to bowl line and length. There were no cute fielding positions but Cook didnt get carried away with attacking either and had some of his field back as cover for well hit shots.
Their long batting lineup also provided problems and the days of the long English tail look over with even bowler Wood able to handle the willow.....

Playing Siddle is a risk IMO..he is very military medium pace these days and while he is a warrior who will toil all day he is also very easy to hit around and I would prefer
the pace of Cummins to replace Starc if he doesnt come up...
Siddle may be the same pace as Broad but the Englishman is about a foot taller and gets the bounce you need at that pace...
M. Marsh in for Watson is a no brainer IMO....

Watching Watto, Rogers and Voges in the outfield also made me thing we need some younger quicker fielders..Watto in particular is like treacle chasing in the outfield...

Siddle bowls too much leg side crap for a bloke that bowls 134 and is only 6' tall.
Cummins has not played 4 day cricket for 2 years, thanks to CA but now must get thrust into an Ashes series. Good work Pat Howard - Flog.
Why have we not got a younger bat on tour, what a wasted opportunity. Joe Burns? How has Shaun Marsh never played in England until this tour?
Haddin should go but won't. These selectors love their old blokes because they are tough, good blokes, good leaders. Unfortunately they may not be the best available.

How did we pick a squad with so many 33+ yo players? Acceptable if they are champions, but how many are? Harris and Clarke.
Is Peter Siddle on a retirement fund with CA? FMD
 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on July 13, 2015, 11:29:37 am
Siddle bowls too much leg side crap for a bloke that bowls 134 and is only 6' tall.
Cummins has not played 4 day cricket for 2 years, thanks to CA but now must get thrust into an Ashes series. Good work Pat Howard - Flog.
Why have we not got a younger bat on tour, what a wasted opportunity. Joe Burns? How has Shaun Marsh never played in England until this tour?
Haddin should go but won't. These selectors love their old blokes because they are tough, good blokes, good leaders. Unfortunately they may not be the best available.

How did we pick a squad with so many 33+ yo players? Acceptable if they are champions, but how many are? Harris and Clarke.
Is Peter Siddle on a retirement fund with CA? FMD

Siddle is only 30??? :o

And he's the best lock down bowler in Australia.

I think you've listened to too much Thommo, I love the guy but lately his opinions have been a bit erratic. Reports are Thommo spent the evening at a pre-ashes dinner sitting next to Rogers and asked someone at the end of the night who Rogers was!

Shaun Marsh has never played before because he has a crap record on the swinging / turning decks you get in county cricket.

What you need to ask yourself is why the selectors are not smarter, they knew what sort of wickets the UK would dish up yet they picked a squad to play cricket at the WACA! :o

England are playing psychological games based on the fact the Australian batsmen are rattled since the death of Hughes, so they are delivering them up and down pitches that make our blokes uncomfortable. Add to that they have asked us to play nice, knowing blokes like Haddin, Warner and Johnson thrive when they are provoked.

Finally, Australian cricket is doomed until the country wrestles control of cricket back off NSW, FFS it's our national game not NRL! ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on July 16, 2015, 12:01:17 pm
Siddle is only 30??? :o

And he's the best lock down bowler in Australia.

I think you've listened to too much Thommo, I love the guy but lately his opinions have been a bit erratic. Reports are Thommo spent the evening at a pre-ashes dinner sitting next to Rogers and asked someone at the end of the night who Rogers was!

Shaun Marsh has never played before because he has a crap record on the swinging / turning decks you get in county cricket.

What you need to ask yourself is why the selectors are not smarter, they knew what sort of wickets the UK would dish up yet they picked a squad to play cricket at the WACA! :o

England are playing psychological games based on the fact the Australian batsmen are rattled since the death of Hughes, so they are delivering them up and down pitches that make our blokes uncomfortable. Add to that they have asked us to play nice, knowing blokes like Haddin, Warner and Johnson thrive when they are provoked.

Finally, Australian cricket is doomed until the country wrestles control of cricket back off NSW, FFS it's our national game not NRL! ;)

I rest my case. If Siddle is our best lock down bowler we may as well play strike bowlers only. Same run rate with a chance of wickets.
I have never listened to a word Thommo has said.
Shaun Marsh has never played in England because he has a crap record there? That's my point, surely he would have improved with experience. To be honest he has a pretty ordinary record everywhere.
Australia's problems with slow pitches have a lot more to do with their attitude towards out and out attack rather than building an innings like Rogers did. Warner's comments are a worry but not surprising.

On another note, Peter Neville looks a very promising type, hopefully he can add some steel to the batting line up, even though it's not his primary job in the side.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 16, 2015, 09:12:16 pm
Warner..... What an idiotic dismissal.  Had them at his mercy and holes out to a chopper.....  Unbelievably stupid.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 16, 2015, 09:24:50 pm
Warner..... What an idiotic dismissal.  Had them at his mercy and holes out to a chopper.....  Unbelievably stupid.

Not unbelievably stupid when you think of it.

Complete screwwit.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on July 16, 2015, 10:17:49 pm
Still a decent start for us.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 16, 2015, 10:25:04 pm
Still a decent start for us.

Yes, that's one session to us.    :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on July 17, 2015, 12:52:10 am
Two now
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 17, 2015, 01:49:46 am
Rogers finally got his century.  Very well deserved after an incredibly consistent series of good innings.

Smith just pipped him to the ton.

Well done to both of them  :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on July 17, 2015, 08:47:20 am
Rogers finally got his century.  Very well deserved after an incredibly consistent series of good innings.

Smith just pipped him to the ton.

Well done to both of them  :)

interesting that Rogers then outscored Smith by some margin (after reaching the ton second).....

I think the team is far better without Watson and Haddin (but respect to the latter in the circumstances naturally).

Watto - lots of potential but given way too many 'second chances'......
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 17, 2015, 10:11:35 am
Pity we didn't apply ourselves like this a week ago.

Some of Smith's driving was impeccable.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 17, 2015, 04:25:39 pm
interesting that Rogers then outscored Smith by some margin (after reaching the ton second).....

I think the team is far better without Watson and Haddin (but respect to the latter in the circumstances naturally).

Watto - lots of potential but given way too many 'second chances'......

Both Smith and Rogers had quiet periods where they couldn't quite make their shots.  The partner stepped up and kept the scoreboard ticking over.  That kept the pressure on the Poms and kept it off the other batsman.  It really was a partnership.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 17, 2015, 11:54:04 pm
Chris Rogers doesnt look much but it goes to show that application and playing within your limitations can work for you just as well as being a gifted player with more natural talent.....his back cutting off Ali was so good to watch as was Smiths driving through the offside....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 18, 2015, 01:02:16 pm
Darren Lehmann has to have some serious discussions with a couple of players about their retirement plans.

He needs to convince Haddin and Watson that the time is right and he probably should tell Voges to think seriously about his future.

On the other hand, he should in Buck Rogers' ear about continuing his Test career.

It's sad to hear that Haddin's daughter is back in hospital.  Hopefully it's just a minor setback.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 18, 2015, 05:03:03 pm
That ball of Hazelwoods to Bell was perfect....nothing less.......better than anything Jimmy Andersons managed in two tests.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 18, 2015, 06:24:47 pm
That ball of Hazelwoods to Bell was perfect....nothing less.......better than anything Jimmy Andersons managed in two tests.

Gem ball...outswinging yorker pitched on middle hitting off....Bell has a good technique which makes it even a better ball and it wasnt wasted on a bozo who cant bat....
Lythe and Ballance are duds..the latter has zero technique, reckon they are playing their last tests this series......Stokes is a better player than I thought and has a good technique
for a player more renowned for being a big hitter and moves his feet well compared to some of his team-mates whose footwork is woeful.
Be one all in a couple of days time unless we have some rain....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on July 19, 2015, 04:22:20 pm
Only 2 players scored over 50 in our 1st innings. On a good wicket, that is still not good enough, we were just fortunate that Rogers and Smith both made big scores.

We have bowled a lot better in this test, than the 1st test.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 19, 2015, 06:26:37 pm
Gem ball...outswinging yorker pitched on middle hitting off....Bell has a good technique which makes it even a better ball and it wasnt wasted on a bozo who cant bat....
Lythe and Ballance are duds..the latter has zero technique, reckon they are playing their last tests this series......Stokes is a better player than I thought and has a good technique
for a player more renowned for being a big hitter and moves his feet well compared to some of his team-mates whose footwork is woeful.
Be one all in a couple of days time unless we have some rain....

The best player in the history of the game in the best touch of his career would have missed that. Best nut I've seen in some time.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 19, 2015, 10:52:52 pm
England batting a second time and Lyth gone caught behind for 7..shame he more than likely wont be playing next test, Ballance in and I'd expect him to be on his way too soon....

Chris Rogers retired ill after suffering a dizzy spell and looked very unwell and dazed when he sat down near the pitch, hopefully its nothing to do with his recent concussion.
Just recovered from an inner ear virus myself similar to Jason Day the golfer and its not very pleasant watching the world go around and your falling off it...good luck to Rogers as he is playing so well and hope he recovers for the next test and Watto isnt needed...

Cook just gone to a wild cut shot...the end is nigh....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 20, 2015, 10:55:23 am
England batting a second time and Lyth gone caught behind for 7..shame he more than likely wont be playing next test, Ballance in and I'd expect him to be on his way too soon....

Chris Rogers retired ill after suffering a dizzy spell and looked very unwell and dazed when he sat down near the pitch, hopefully its nothing to do with his recent concussion.
Just recovered from an inner ear virus myself similar to Jason Day the golfer and its not very pleasant watching the world go around and your falling off it...good luck to Rogers as he is playing so well and hope he recovers for the next test and Watto isnt needed...

Cook just gone to a wild cut shot...the end is nigh....

I stayed up to watch it. Thought I'd have a glass of wine as they started their innings and go to bed around 11.00 (perth time) with them maybe 2 or 3 down.

Didn't even finish a 3rd glass!!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on July 20, 2015, 01:36:35 pm
Smith/Rogers 3/495 d England 415.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 20, 2015, 06:26:10 pm
I stayed up to watch it. Thought I'd have a glass of wine as they started their innings and go to bed around 11.00 (perth time) with them maybe 2 or 3 down.

Didn't even finish a 3rd glass!!!

 :)

That's when the WA time zone is very handy!

I had a few glasses but packed it in when they were five for - I need my beauty sleep  ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 29, 2015, 11:52:31 pm
It's a good thing young Rogers got over his ear injury!

The Poms have been bowling well but our batting has been woeful.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 29, 2015, 11:58:31 pm
It's a good thing young Rogers got over his ear injury!

The Poms have been bowling well but our batting has been woeful.

Anderson on these type of wickets with swing and seam is nearly unplayable, hopefully the movement stays and we get our turn with the ball to use the conditions.
If Steve Finn is picking up wickets and bowling genuine outswingers then its shows how helpful this pitch is to bowlers becuase Finn is a very ordinary bowler IMO...

Shaun Marsh in for Voges next test...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 30, 2015, 12:22:32 am
I understand the reasons you never bowl first and usually support them.

Sometimes a team will bowl first because they feel it's the only way they can win.

But the only way the poms could have won this test is by bowling first in overcast conditions. That's why they brought in Finn late. They gambled and won.

Might have been one of the rare occasions where you look outside the norm and bowled first. It would have taken away their only hope.We didn't gamble and are in strife.

Particularly if you look at the weather forecast for the next 4 days.

All in Englands favour.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 30, 2015, 12:35:23 am
It will probably best if we lose the last wicket quickly and give our bowlers a crack while the conditions last.  It could be a short Test.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 30, 2015, 07:22:03 am
We need some young bats quick... Clarke is a real worry.  And he ain't the only one.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on July 30, 2015, 07:47:50 am
The decision to bat was stupid
Since 2005 we cant play swing conditions in England. ..a continual problem...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 30, 2015, 09:04:57 am
The decision to bat was stupid
Since 2005 we cant play swing conditions in England. ..a continual problem...

It actually wasn't moving that much.....Smith, Voges & Marsh were playing (or trying not to play) at straight balls a foot outside off stump !

Clark got a good 'un, as usually happens when you're in a bit of a form slump, but the rest of the middle order were acting an if it were a Jimmy Anderson testimonial.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: age on July 30, 2015, 10:10:13 am
Looks like a smashing is on the way
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on July 30, 2015, 11:13:39 pm
Good fightback in the first session. It's running away from us now though with Ali scoring freely.

Our bowlers just can't bowl tight lines. Missing Rhino in these situations.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on July 31, 2015, 07:50:53 am
Pity we can't bat.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 31, 2015, 08:12:01 am
Clarke is cooked.

Got the jitters against blokes around 130ks.

screw him off before the series is lost.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 01, 2015, 08:24:36 am
The dropped catch (although everybody drops the odd one) underlines to me that his confidence is totally shot or his head ain't in the right space.  Personally I don't think his captaincy has been anything special either, particularly his field placings.

I was a real Voges fan but he has been shown up as being a bit flaky, for what of a better term.  His fielding ain't impressive either.  If only we had a decent young bat - none of the other middle order contenders (S. Marsh or Watson) are screaming out for inclusion.  M. Marsh needs to start scoring some runs as well.

Nevill has a problem down leg side that he needs to work on, but gees we get ourselves out to some crap... half the wickets looked to be bad shots against angled wide stuff. 

I suspect that one of the bowlers will be given a rest - probably Hazelwood - as they look a little tired and they need to try something a little different.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on August 01, 2015, 09:25:28 am
Clarke is cooked.

Got the jitters against blokes around 130ks.

screw him off before the series is lost.
I'm afraid he is past it. If he were not Captain he would already have been replaced. It is a pity, but these injuries have really taken a lot from him in recent times. That sounds like some other people I am know....

I guess there are some spots available, if we have the guys who are ready to take them.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 01, 2015, 01:32:27 pm
The Broad/Moeen partnership was the one that stuffed us up....got carried away with bowling short to Broad and over bounced him instead of bowling short of a length at the body. We have treated Moeen like a tailender and bowled rubbish at him....only Lyon worked out you have to treat him like a genuine batsman and bowl an off stump line.

Cummins in and either Starc or Hazlewood out.....S. Marsh in and Voges out.....Nevill will probably keep his spot because of his batting but I think Haddin is the better keeper..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: bratblue on August 01, 2015, 04:12:09 pm
Interesting interview with Johnson where he said he decided to try swinging the ball after he got Ballance and Stokes out to throat balls. He should've kept doing what was working.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on August 06, 2015, 08:45:06 pm
Is being a Carlton/Australian cricket fan pretty much the craptiest thing in world sport at the moment?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on August 06, 2015, 08:52:32 pm
Is being a Carlton/Australian cricket fan pretty much the crapiest thing in world sport at the moment?

At the moment I feel the same as you do. 6 for 31 ? Seriously ?  ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 06, 2015, 08:53:41 pm
Writing is on the wall for more than a few of these blokes, and its gonna get worse... the kiwis are going to flog us in the next series.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 06, 2015, 09:26:13 pm
9/50.....Broad 7 for...had to put the TV off...its depressing... :(.......watched a lot of cricket but cant remember getting bowled out in one session....
Ball that got Nevill was a gem....seemed to swing away then straighten back and bowled him..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on August 06, 2015, 09:43:07 pm
9/50.....Broad 7 for...had to put the TV off...its depressing... :(.......watched a lot or cricket but cant remember getting bowled out in one session....
Ball that got Nevill was a gem....seemed to swing away then straighten back and bowled him..

I just turned the cricket on and, for a moment, thought there must be a rain delay and they were replaying a disaster from years gone by.  All out for 60 before lunch!  WTF?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on August 06, 2015, 09:43:33 pm
Is being a Carlton/Australian cricket fan pretty much the craptiest thing in world sport at the moment?

Mediocrity is the word...


Remember days we won flags...belted the pommies and Liverpool was no1.....

Awful time atm...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on August 06, 2015, 10:21:19 pm
At the moment I feel the same as you do. 6 for 31 ? Seriously ?  ::)

I hear that!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 06, 2015, 10:21:32 pm
We're playing only three bats with Clarke, Marsh and Voges in the team... what used to be our strength is our biggest problem - no middle order whatsoever.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 06, 2015, 10:39:13 pm
We're playing only three bats with Clarke, Marsh and Voges in the team... what used to be our strength is our biggest problem - no middle order whatsoever.

Voges must have thought test cricket was easy  facing the West Indies quicks whose stock delivery is the short ball.......this series he hasnt played with a straight bat once.
Clarke is out of confidence and Marsh was unlucky being recalled on a green top with England swinging it like a banana...
Lets hope we can take advantage of the conditions and get the same help of the wicket...maybe if Johnson and Starc slow it down a little they can move the ball more....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on August 06, 2015, 11:33:37 pm
It's interesting that the commentators are almost unanimous in wondering why Siddle isn't in the eleven - not that he would have helped our batting.

Although the cricket isn't terribly good to watch, I am finding the vision of Nottingham very interesting; I had a couple of pints in Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem, and most of the other pubs in Nottingham, around this time last year :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on August 07, 2015, 07:50:33 am
Like my love for the Blues, it wouldn't hurt so much if I didn't care so much. But I do care and I was embarrassed last night.
I simply cannot think of a single positive. At least I could go to sleep....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on August 07, 2015, 08:45:00 am
No comment...I have just no ****ing comment to justify what i saw.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 07, 2015, 01:15:38 pm
How does James Sutherland always escape criticism.
We have far too much emphasis on limited overs cricket, in particular 20/20. We do whatever India tells us we have to.

I don't know one English test player that plays IPL.
Our bats are simply not good enough. They don't play straight and they have no patience.

If they want to play IPL go do it.
If you want to play test cricket, commit to it, 100%.
AFL footballers commit for a lot less money than these ass clowns get.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: c4e on August 07, 2015, 01:26:58 pm
It's interesting that the commentators are almost unanimous in wondering why Siddle isn't in the eleven - not that he would have helped our batting.

His batting may have helped. His average is higher than anyone made last night
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 07, 2015, 01:32:28 pm
Voges must have thought test cricket was easy  facing the West Indies quicks whose stock delivery is the short ball.......this series he hasnt played with a straight bat once.
Clarke is out of confidence and Marsh was unlucky being recalled on a green top with England swinging it like a banana...
Lets hope we can take advantage of the conditions and get the same help of the wicket...maybe if Johnson and Starc slow it down a little they can move the ball more....

This won't improve until NSW loses control of cricket, they are intoxicated with blokes like Warner and Hughes who can slam straight and wide stuff to all points. But as soon as the ball deviates the poor batting techniques are exposed for what they are.

Warner should have asked Root for some batting tips instead of punching him in the nose!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 07, 2015, 01:45:22 pm
This won't improve until NSW loses control of cricket, they are intoxicated with blokes like Warner and Hughes who can slam straight and wide stuff to all points. But as soon as the ball deviates the poor batting techniques are exposed for what they are.

Warner should have asked Root for some batting tips instead of punching him in the nose!

It won't change until CA realise 20/20 and test cricket are two different games.
It requires two different coaches and two different selection panels.
They currently seem to be very confused.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 07, 2015, 01:49:23 pm
Top Secret leak.

Cricket Australia's strategy document.

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Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on August 07, 2015, 01:52:26 pm
I think Warner got the best ball of the day... Neville got a good one also, but he didn't play it well. The rest gave 18 overs of catching practice.

Techniques and mindset found wanting. Pitch wasn't that bad, given the poms rattled up 4/270 odd.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 07, 2015, 01:56:06 pm
It won't change until CA realise 20/20 and test cricket are two different games.
It requires two different coaches and two different selection panels.
They currently seem to be very confused.

A good start would be to look for players outside of Sydney, but I suppose this whole test is all Voges fault! ;)

It's funny because I am trivialising the situation, but it's not funny because it cuts too close to the bone!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on August 07, 2015, 03:34:00 pm
Now I've had the day to collect my thoughts.......they need to use the old Footy strategy.

Start playing the kids !  That means of the batting lineup, only Smith & Warner deserve to be retained.  Whatever happened to the likes of Joe Burns ?  Gave him a go, showed a bit, then never see him again !!!

They've got to pick for the future now.  And on the bowling front, give Cummings a go in the last test, and get Pattinson back in there this summer (which will be a very hard series against the Kiwis by the way).  Not sure about Neville either yet, you could have driven a truck through the gap between bat & pad as his bat came across from somewhere near 2nd slip !

Give us a young team that will at least have a few tests under their belt for the return Ashes.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Blue Moon on August 07, 2015, 06:05:23 pm
I think when this thread started, Australia was crap, since then we have got to the top of the pile, and now we are crap again.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on August 07, 2015, 06:45:55 pm
I think when this thread started, Australia was crap, since then we have got to the top of the pile, and now we are crap again.

Similar cycle over the last three tests  ???
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on August 08, 2015, 09:40:53 am
Shane Warne is a bit of a knob but his cricket analysis is usually pretty good.  His comments last night about the batsmen lacking match awareness were spot on.

I found it too painful to watch and gave up at tea.

I reckon part of the problem is the decline of the Sheffield Shield.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on August 08, 2015, 09:56:35 am
factors are:

1. loss of sheffielf shield
2. a lot of aussie players don't play in England any more - in India playing  20.20
3. 20.20 killing technique to build long innings - test matches finish in 4 days now
4. cricket Australia - needs a clean out - Sutherland too long-
5. nsw cricket - as hookes says - when they give a player the blue cap the  baggy green is in a brown paper bag
6. not enough ethnic diversity in australian team - too anglo celtic and we are not tapping into all the talent imo
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 08, 2015, 11:49:00 am
Openers have been ok but it's stopped there. Middle order is awful, especially with the captain feeling age and injuries. Batsmen's technique so poor for seaming conditions and it's killed us. Smith might be better at 4 but that means finding someone for no.3.

Fast bowlers as a group have been poor. Usually one has performed well with poor support  hence not the pressure of bowling in partnerships. Starc was terrible in the 3rd Test but great here, Johnson was good in the 3rd Test but bad here. He has to learn his position is to intimidate, not try to be a line and length swing bowler. His value drops right away. Heazlewood has generally been terrible and needs replacing. Lyon has done well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 08, 2015, 01:31:56 pm
Openers have been ok but it's stopped there. Middle order is awful, especially with the captain feeling age and injuries. Batsmen's technique so poor for seaming conditions and it's killed us. Smith might be better at 4 but that means finding someone for no.3.

Fast bowlers as a group have been poor. Usually one has performed well with poor support  hence not the pressure of bowling in partnerships. Starc was terrible in the 3rd Test but great here, Johnson was good in the 3rd Test but bad here. He has to learn his position is to intimidate, not try to be a line and length swing bowler. His value drops right away. Heazlewood has generally been terrible and needs replacing. Lyon has done well.

Balmy Army have got to Johnson again IMO...he denies it and smiles back but his form has dropped right away and I reckon he cant wait to get back to Aus as England is not a happy hunting ground for him....
Agree with Smith back to 4, Starc bowled ok but I feel he bowls too much rubbish in between his wicket taking balls and in Englands 1st innings some of his wickets only came because they were throwing the bat.
Hazelwood lacks a yard and easy to hit...Moeen smashed him in his cameo and our bowling to the tail has been poor...not enough homework was put into Root or Moeen IMO and Lehmann , McDermott just thought we could rock up and England's batting would fall over...
Be interesting when we play NZ this summer......Kiwis might fancy their chances with us rebuilding....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on August 08, 2015, 04:42:44 pm
It's not the players. It's the coach, and the Board, and the WAGS. And recruiting and development has been a shambles.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 08, 2015, 08:54:21 pm
All over ..England win the ashes 3-1 and skipper Clarke will retire after the last test.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 08, 2015, 09:15:55 pm
He's been a good servant, at least he has recognised when it's up for him unlike some AFL players! ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on August 08, 2015, 09:19:22 pm
Meh. As my missus always says....'cricket shmicket'.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on August 08, 2015, 09:23:27 pm
Meh. As my missus always says....'cricket shmicket'.

Ive never heard of that phrase
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on August 09, 2015, 12:39:56 am
All over ..England win the ashes 3-1 and skipper Clarke will retire after the last test.....

This was managed poorly IMO. Clarke should have been dropped sometime ago but was persisted with because he was the Captain. If he had been given the opportunity to regain form then we may not have found ourselves in the same predicament. It was the same with Watson, who wasn't even captain FFS.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 09, 2015, 11:18:42 am
This was managed poorly IMO. Clarke should have been dropped sometime ago but was persisted with because he was the Captain. If he had been given the opportunity to regain form then we may not have found ourselves in the same predicament. It was the same with Watson, who wasn't even captain FFS.

I agree, but who would have replaced Clarke as Captain, Haddin, Bailey????

The cupboard is bare because cricket in Australia is not being developed administered equitably, there are too many excellent players leaving the sport because you can't get a game if you're not the In-law, relation of friend of some official, and because form is not being rewarded!

Cricket is suffering the same fate as Carlton, is has become too focussed on team harmony and not focussed enough on performance!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 09, 2015, 12:07:29 pm
I agree, but who would have replaced Clarke as Captain, Haddin, Bailey????

The cupboard is bare because cricket in Australia is not being developed administered equitably, there are too many excellent players leaving the sport because you can't get a game if you're not the In-law, relation of friend of some official, and because form is not being rewarded!

Cricket is suffering the same fate as Carlton, is has become too focussed on team harmony and not focussed enough on performance!

Who is not getting a game?
No one has made big runs in shield cricket for years.
We are seeing the results of players being coached at the centre of excellence to play 20/20 cricket.
Techniques are terrible.
There is too much focus on limited overs cricket.
Sutherland bends over whenever India asks him too.
Time to change the boss
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 09, 2015, 02:36:05 pm
This was managed poorly IMO. Clarke should have been dropped sometime ago but was persisted with because he was the Captain. If he had been given the opportunity to regain form then we may not have found ourselves in the same predicament. It was the same with Watson, who wasn't even captain FFS.

Captain will always get a longer run.

Our team was never that good. He took a very average team and took it to no.1 in 2 forms of the game. He never had a great team at all. He got the best out of them. A great captain, a great batsman.
 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on August 09, 2015, 03:40:40 pm
I'd be happy to give him more time, it seems like a decision made in reaction to a poor performance by the team. Take the emotion out of it. 

Clarke at least deserves a farewell on home soil... bit sad I think.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Dominator_7 on August 09, 2015, 04:04:37 pm
Soccer is close to taking over Cricket as Australia's preferred Summer Sport, especially in the Capital cities.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 09, 2015, 04:17:52 pm
I'd be happy to give him more time, it seems like a decision made in reaction to a poor performance by the team. Take the emotion out of it. 

Clarke at least deserves a farewell on home soil... bit sad I think.

Clarke should retire immediately.
Expect to see youth in Bangladesh
Burns must play.
Maybe Doran.
I would prefer Faulkner to Marsh.
Cummins to play 5th test.

We need to find a strong group to build around Smith who should bat at four but won't.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 09, 2015, 07:51:36 pm
Clarke should retire immediately.
Expect to see youth in Bangladesh
Burns must play.
Maybe Doran.
I would prefer Faulkner to Marsh.
Cummins to play 5th test.

We need to find a strong group to build around Smith who should bat at four but won't.

I'd like to see Bancroft open with Warner when Rogers retires....
I'm not sold on Burns yet.
Cummins....agree...swings the ball at good pace all be it is injury prone...
Faulkner is unlucky, because he is a very good one day player it probably hold him back in terms of perception and I agree he should
be playing more test cricket...still like Marsh but conditions at the WACA are not conducive to being a good player in English conditions and
he will be a better player back in Aus and places like South Africa, the West Indies etc ...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 09, 2015, 09:44:35 pm
I'd like to see Bancroft open with Warner when Rogers retires....
I'm not sold on Burns yet.
Cummins....agree...swings the ball at good pace all be it is injury prone...
Faulkner is unlucky, because he is a very good one day player it probably hold him back in terms of perception and I agree he should
be playing more test cricket...still like Marsh but conditions at the WACA are not conducive to being a good player in English conditions and
he will be a better player back in Aus and places like South Africa, the West Indies etc ...

Agree with Bancroft.
Warner is very lucky there is a void of senior players. His technique is awful.
These guys need to play in other cricket than IPL.
If Warner doesn't play county, I would tell him he doesn't play test cricket, up to him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 09, 2015, 10:22:22 pm
Agree with Bancroft.
Warner is very lucky there is a void of senior players. His technique is awful.
These guys need to play in other cricket than IPL.
If Warner doesn't play county, I would tell him he doesn't play test cricket, up to him.

You'd be kidding about Warner wouldn't you? Warner's actually made 4 half centuries and a 38 this series. Not at his best but not too bad either. his technique isn't bad and better than most. He averages 46 in Test Cricket so it has nothing to do with a void of senior players. He'll be always first picked.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 09, 2015, 10:25:37 pm
Agree with Bancroft.
Warner is very lucky there is a void of senior players. His technique is awful.
These guys need to play in other cricket than IPL.
If Warner doesn't play county, I would tell him he doesn't play test cricket, up to him.

Warner hasnt got a great technique but is still a destructive player with a good eye...the English have bowled well to him and have had the ball moving back into his body
to cramp him up so he cant play those flashy cuts and drives but you are right a season or two of county to tighten his technique would be useful.
There is rumoured talk of another rebel test league starting up and I reckon Warner would be high on the list of players wanted and interested with obscene amounts of money
reckoned to be on offer if it ever gets off the ground...

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 09, 2015, 10:38:59 pm
You'd be kidding about Warner wouldn't you? Warner's actually made 4 half centuries and a 38 this series. Not at his best but not too bad either. his technique isn't bad and better than most. He averages 46 in Test Cricket so it has nothing to do with a void of senior players. He'll be always first picked.

No, not kidding.
He needs a kick up the ass.
He averages sub 20 in ashes first innings when it counts.
Stats ax be whatever you want them to be Jim
He has no forward defence and gets out playing the same shots
Let's not create another watson
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 09, 2015, 10:42:38 pm
Warner hasnt got a great technique but is still a destructive player with a good eye...the English have bowled well to him and have had the ball moving back into his body
to cramp him up so he cant play those flashy cuts and drives but you are right a season or two of county to tighten his technique would be useful.
There is rumoured talk of another rebel test league starting up and I reckon Warner would be high on the list of players wanted and interested with obscene amounts of money
reckoned to be on offer if it ever gets off the ground...

The blokes "setting" that up still owe numerous guys from ICL days.
Zero credibility.
If players want to take a risk on the money they now earn, let them.
There is only one thing that makes them valuable and that is playing for Australia.
Let em rot in IPL or whatever else they choose
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 21, 2015, 04:29:38 pm
Amazing watching last night.
You would swear we were trying to play test cricket.
Can't believe they would revert to that!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 21, 2015, 09:15:36 pm
Amazing watching last night.
You would swear we were trying to play test cricket.
Can't believe they would revert to that!

Some good leaves by Warner and Rogers....England dont look that intense IMO, thought their fielding was lacking spark and while they bowled tight I didnt think they
came out pumped like they did last test. How Siddle has got a game is beyond me..even though he might get some wickets I would have played Cummins.
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Post by: malo on October 30, 2015, 01:55:15 pm
Nice warm up for the Kiwis......Cricket Aus XI.......1 - 503 (dec).  Declared when they lost their first wicket (Carters for 209)  Finch (who can't get a gig for Victoria)  - 288 n/o !

Match suspended now while the pitch is being inspected....be absolutely hilarious if the Kiwis couldn't get a bat on it (although, a fair slight on the Blacktown ovals preparation).

Latest word, the stumps have been taken out......Kiwi's will be fuming

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Post by: LP on October 30, 2015, 01:58:31 pm
Nice warm up for the Kiwis......Cricket Aus XI.......1 - 503 (dec).  Declared when they lost their first wicket (Carters for 209)  Finch (who can't get a gig for Victoria)  - 288 n/o !

Match suspended now while the pitch is being inspected....be absolutely hilarious if the Kiwis couldn't get a bat on it (although, a fair slight on the Blacktown ovals preparation).

Latest word, the stumps have been taken out......Kiwi's will be fuming

The Kiwi's aren't fuming, they pulled the pin claiming the pitch was dangerous for the bowlers due to pot holes in the foot marks!
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Post by: malo on October 30, 2015, 02:03:07 pm
I just saw a phot0 of the pitch.....no bloody wonder.

That's pretty poor.  Can you imagine the outcry if this was an English warm up match to the First Ashes test ???

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Post by: JonHenry on October 30, 2015, 02:43:02 pm
I just saw a phot0 of the pitch.....no bloody wonder.

That's pretty poor.  Can you imagine the outcry if this was an English warm up match to the First Ashes test ???

The kiwis were about to bat after Aus made 1/500. What was their concerns?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on October 30, 2015, 04:07:24 pm
The kiwis were about to bat after Aus made 1/500. What was their concerns?

It wasn't good, big footholes on the bowling crease.........but I think they were after any excuse to get an early start up in Brisbane, they already tried to cut this game down to 3 days & were refused.....so they just pulled pin anyway.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 30, 2015, 04:18:49 pm
The kiwis were about to bat after Aus made 1/500. What was their concerns?

Embarrassment! :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on October 31, 2015, 07:02:43 pm
No, not kidding.
He needs a kick up the ass.
He averages sub 20 in ashes first innings when it counts.
Stats ax be whatever you want them to be Jim
He has no forward defence and gets out playing the same shots
Let's not create another watson

He averages near 46 in Test Cricket. 12 centuries and 19 half centuries. There's your stats. Technique is good these days as he's worked on it. You obviously haven't watched any cricket at all for a couple of years. In case you've been living on Mars he is now probably the best opening batsman in world cricket. What you posted is....well...use your imagination.

Another Watson...lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Juddkreuzer on October 31, 2015, 11:01:55 pm
I just saw a phot0 of the pitch.....no bloody wonder.

That's pretty poor.  Can you imagine the outcry if this was an English warm up match to the First Ashes test ???

Disgraceful.

(http://www.cricket.com.au/news/match-report/day-two-cricket-australia-xi-new-zealand-blacktown-match-report/~/media/794C2A1B32A245C28A905E7616A1F596.ashx)
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Post by: crashlander on November 01, 2015, 01:49:21 pm
It looks like a 1st day track in India or Pakistan.
That isn't saying that it is any good. However, the Australians had just made a pretty impressive score on it, so it can't have played as bad as it looked.
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Post by: laj on November 13, 2015, 08:24:42 pm
1/382. Kiwis are have a tour to forget. Pitch is a road...again!

Over the whole tour they've taken 20 wickets for over 2000.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 13, 2015, 09:18:59 pm
1/382. Kiwis are have a tour to forget. Pitch is a road...again!

Over the whole tour they've taken 20 wickets for over 2000.

The Kiwi Bowling is woeful....no swing means no Southee or Boult and the rest look like sub districts players....can it get anymore non competitive...yep...the West Indies
2nd team are touring next.... :-X
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on November 14, 2015, 03:05:36 am
1 maiden in 90 overs is horrendous bowling. Their bowlers don't seem to be getting a lot of support from their captain either which probably isn't helping them.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 14, 2015, 02:28:21 pm
1 maiden in 90 overs is horrendous bowling. Their bowlers don't seem to be getting a lot of support from their captain either which probably isn't helping them.

Fawad Ahmed must be thinking he chose the wrong country...would have walked into the NZ team...Craig bowls more nude balls than anyone I have seen and his direction and length are terrible.
The retired Dan Vettori has left a massive hole in that team...
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Post by: DJC on November 14, 2015, 02:31:13 pm
I heard that only 25 of the balls bowled yesterday would have hit the stumps  :o

The Kiwis have certainly started with more purpose this morning.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 14, 2015, 03:06:42 pm
Fourth stump line is common defensive move, but takes discipline to execute.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 16, 2015, 12:51:20 pm
Calling leg spinners. Australia needs you!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 16, 2015, 03:58:30 pm
Thinking Johnson's days might be nearing the end. Too often under 140k and getting dished up roads after road to bowl on. Last 6 Tests in Australia have been roads. Interesting to see if he pulls the pin after this Test.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 16, 2015, 04:20:13 pm
Thinking Johnson's days might be nearing the end. Too often under 140k and getting dished up roads after road to bowl on. Last 6 Tests in Australia have been roads. Interesting to see if he pulls the pin after this Test.

Reckon you are right...looked down in mind and body and reckon he has had enough...NZ batters actually looked forward to him coming on in preference to Starc..
Mind you the WACA is no longer a pace bowlers friend and its been hard yakka for every bowler....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on November 16, 2015, 05:18:00 pm
Mind you the WACA is no longer a pace bowlers friend and its been hard yakka for every bowler....

That's been really disappointing. I wonder if they're just getting people used to the idea so that when they move to the new stadium with it's drop in pitches it won't be such a change.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 17, 2015, 08:06:49 am
Rumors floating around Johnson is about to pull the pin, I can't blame him.

A cricket administration and media dominated by former batsmen has harassed and harangued the curators of grounds to produce batsmen friendly pitches, the net result is the disgrace we see at the WACA. A former pace bowlers nirvana turned into a pitch for flat track bullies. No wonder blokes like Johnson have had enough, their plight is beyond hope.

I find it ironic that the media types now spend all their time complaining, when they are the primary cause! They got what they wanted and now they are not happy about it!

This trend to build roads is crazy, it's killing the sport. Get a job with the council those behind this craziness! You might as well play cricket with tennis balls and racquets!

Perhaps it's time to ban drop in pitches and replace technology with skill and diversity?

Sixes and fours are good for TV, but falling wickets aren't too bad either!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 17, 2015, 11:03:34 am
As an ex pace bowler........4 days of the worst cricket I have ever had the misfortune to see (parts of).  I just couldn't sit through all of that.  Starcs bowling mid 150s & there is nothing.  What a mere shadow of a once great cricket wicket the WACA is now....and truth be told has been for quite a while......I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but a drop in at the new stadium over there couldn't be any worse.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on November 17, 2015, 12:37:51 pm
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/australian-bowler-mitchell-johnson-retires-from-international-cricket-20151117-gl0qsu.html

All your rumors and suspicions are confirmed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 17, 2015, 02:44:49 pm
I'd be looking at trying a new all rounder because the incumbent isn't a No. 6 batsman's bootlaces.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 17, 2015, 03:45:13 pm
I'd be looking at trying a new all rounder because the incumbent isn't a No. 6 batsman's bootlaces.

Glen Maxwell must be some sort of chance though I think they rate the bowling ability of Marsh and want the extra pace bowler...Henriques would be another option....
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 17, 2015, 03:57:36 pm
Glen Maxwell must be some sort of chance though I think they rate the bowling ability of Marsh and want the extra pace bowler...Henriques would be another option....

One last chance for Marsh - needs to score more......crikey Siddle is more damaging with the bat!  :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 18, 2015, 11:21:03 am
One last chance for Marsh - needs to score more......crikey Siddle is more damaging with the bat!  :o

Marsh in the squad along with Pattinson and Okeefe......reckon Pattinson might play ahead of Hazelwood as he is more of a strike bowler and Siddle will also
come in to the team and do the donkey work.
Lets hope that Pattison can hold up injury wise....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 18, 2015, 12:16:28 pm
I'm not disparaging Steve O'Keefe or his deservedness for a test spot, but how the feck does he get a run ahead of Fawad Ahmed and what sort of signal does that send?

In their last 10 matches O'Keefe has taken 14 wickets,.... Ahmed has taken 39!
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Post by: Professer E on November 18, 2015, 12:43:12 pm
We need to be seriously thinking about the future... Faulkner I'd be looking at for down the track. Can't believe either or both Marshes are getting another chance, both have been extremely underwhelming at Test level.

Bit over the criticism Smith is copping for not declaring earlier...  why is it always Australia that has to set up games?  The Kiwis didn't exactly hurry things along in the field.  Every man and his dog knew that is was going to be a draw when Smith got out early on the fifth day.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 18, 2015, 12:44:44 pm
I'm not disparaging Steve O'Keefe or his deservedness for a test spot, but how the feck does he get a run ahead of Fawad Ahmed and what sort of signal does that send?

In their last 10 matches O'Keefe has taken 14 wickets,.... Ahmed has taken 39!

Tells you they want Okeefe to hold up an end if he plays and not leak runs...Ahmed can take wickets but can also go for plenty.....we wont play a second spinner given Smith can roll his arm over
if required....
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Post by: laj on November 18, 2015, 01:17:15 pm
We need to be seriously thinking about the future... Faulkner I'd be looking at for down the track. Can't believe either or both Marshes are getting another chance, both have been extremely underwhelming at Test level.

Bit over the criticism Smith is copping for not declaring earlier...  why is it always Australia that has to set up games?  The Kiwis didn't exactly hurry things along in the field.  Every man and his dog knew that is was going to be a draw when Smith got out early on the fifth day.

Mitch Marsh is bowling really well. Although he is the all rounder he is batting at no.6 meaning his batting is more important than his bowling to the team, hence he best be making some runs if he wants to keep his spot. Watson at least got starts and rarely made single figure scores. Just kept getting a brilliant 25 then getting out. That was his problem. Faulkner or Henriques must be pushing Marsh for his spot.

Not sure how Shaun Marsh got a gig again. Like Marcus North he'll get 100, cement his spot, then get nothing for the next 5 innings. Would've gone with Klinger.

Pattinson and Siddle in. Hazelwood is doing very little. Current pitches require an accurate workhorse that can keep pressure on the batsmen. Siddle is that person.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 28, 2015, 03:32:17 pm
Mitch Marsh needs to start bowling well because he can't bat for crap... just like his brother....just not good enough.

Australian cricket is in a crisis when most of the batting comes from WA....  Voges looks like he can get out any ball, the Marsh brother are deadest hopeless...  FFS, give somebody else a go like Faulkner or Stoins or anybody not those WA nupties.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 28, 2015, 04:46:18 pm
I think guys like Voges are just there to mark time before w find the next generation of batsmen. I don't think either of the Marshes are quite good enough. No ground is too big for Mitch when he gets going, but if the ball moves, he gets out. Shaun has had his turn. he needs to stop getting out to nothing balls. Voges is not quite good enough.
But where are the next generation of batsmen to take their places?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 29, 2015, 09:07:13 am
Shaun marsh is 32 and has had 200 first class innings for 16 hundreds. When picking young guys, stats can be forgiven for talent, but they don't lie when you're 32. He is crape
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 29, 2015, 12:17:01 pm
Shaun marsh is 32 and has had 200 first class innings for 16 hundreds. When picking young guys, stats can be forgiven for talent, but they don't lie when you're 32. He is crape
I wish Shaun Marsh were fecal, but he isn't. He just doesn't have the concentration or hardness. At 32 he really needs to find something. Mind you, our batting really needs some new talent.

Our bowling isn't bad if we can ever get our guys fit on the field. But that just doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 29, 2015, 02:26:31 pm
For two Test I would've played Klinger ahead of S.Marsh. After that Khawaja returns. S.Marsh has had his chances. Faulkner may get his chance again as the all-rounder at this rate. Pattinson obviously for Starc.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 30, 2015, 08:16:26 am
What a refreshing change to see a test match where the balance of bat & ball is a bit more even !..........and continues to show up that the current generation of batsmen have no idea of how to bat with the ball moving off dead straight for a good chunk of the time.  Learnt nothing from the recent Ashes debarcle.

3 Day test ?  Who cares !  5 days is the absolute limit, not a minimum.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 30, 2015, 09:38:10 am
What a refreshing change to see a test match where the balance of bat & ball is a bit more even !..........and continues to show up that the current generation of batsmen have no idea of how to bat with the ball moving off dead straight for a good chunk of the time.  Learnt nothing from the recent Ashes debarcle.

3 Day test ?  Who cares !  5 days is the absolute limit, not a minimum.

Yep.

I thought it was fantastic.
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Post by: Professer E on November 30, 2015, 09:45:12 am
The test showed up how technically  sloppy Aus batsmen are... commit to the line early, throw the hands at the ball and expect it to whizz away for four... so much for playing conservatively through the arc and watching the ball onto the bat.

We are damn hard to beat on those kinds of decks but if the ball deviates - swing or spin - we're stuffed.

Poms and Kiwis must be chuckling to 'emselves watching our mob yesterday.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 30, 2015, 09:50:45 am
The test showed up how technically  sloppy Aus batsmen are... commit to the line early, throw the hands at the ball and expect it to whizz away for four... so much for playing conservatively through the arc and watching the ball onto the bat.

We are damn hard to beat on those kinds of decks but if the ball deviates - swing or spin - we're stuffed.

Poms and Kiwis must be chuckling to 'emselves watching our mob yesterday.

We won.

But on your point, most teams have the same deficiencies it's just that many of them aren't  that smart and it takes them a while to adjust.
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Post by: Professer E on November 30, 2015, 10:04:08 am
Our bowling was very disciplined as well, but gees we dropped some catches.  We won because we got a very lucky break and didn't end the first dig about 80 behind.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 30, 2015, 10:20:01 am
Our bowling was very disciplined as well, but gees we dropped some catches.  We won because we got a very lucky break and didn't end the first dig about 80 behind.
Agreed.

 Reckon we've looked a bit half arsed all series TBH.
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Post by: Professer E on November 30, 2015, 10:34:04 am
Neither Voges or the Marshes are particularly good in the field but Smith grassed a couple as well.  I thought our blokes played as if they were mentally and physically exhausted.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 30, 2015, 12:25:53 pm
Our bowling was very disciplined as well, but gees we dropped some catches.  We won because we got a very lucky break and didn't end the first dig about 80 behind.

Wasn't lucky. Snicko showed absolutely nothing. Means there's a good chance he didn't hit it. They'll always take snicko, which could detect a fart from 50m, than hotspot, which on one hand, can often show reflections, or on the opposite end, no even show a mark at all when the batsman smashes it. Camera angles for that decision were awaful. The legside shot wasn't even properly in the frame. No spike on snicko then it means the mark on hotspot could've been anything, as the umpire said.

If hotspot shows nothing but snicko has a spike then the batsman will be given out. Nothing on snicko but a mark on hotspot then the batsman is likely to get the benefit, as happened in Lyon's case.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 30, 2015, 12:58:43 pm
Apologies, I'm not 100% up with the nuances of the technology and its interpretations but it looked out to me, the Kiwis and Lyon so weight of probabilities says that it was out.

Anyway, test cricket - as this was - is a game of millimetres and relies on hours of concentration and application.  The Aussies were a wee bit beeta so they won by a slim margin.  Kiwis had the pick of the bowling periods and didn't do enough with it.
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Post by: laj on November 30, 2015, 01:16:39 pm
Apologies, I'm not 100% up with the nuances of the technology and its interpretations but it looked out to me, the Kiwis and Lyon so weight of probabilities says that it was out.

Anyway, test cricket - as this was - is a game of millimetres and relies on hours of concentration and application.  The Aussies were a wee bit beeta so they won by a slim margin.  Kiwis had the pick of the bowling periods and didn't do enough with it.

Neither am I fully. I picked that up only on the weekend reading articles.

If there's nothing on Snicko it creates doubt. That was the process the 3rd umpire went through on the telecast. Once he saw nothing on Snicko he then said that mark on hotspot, which isn't as reliable, could've been anything and gave the batsman the benefit. He spent 6 minutes analysing it trying to be sure.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 30, 2015, 01:22:16 pm
I think we were lucky to win and Lyon was out but thats test cricket, Santer dropped an easy catch that also could have changed the game but good teams takes their chances when offered....we have a bit more depth in bowling than the kiwis whose attack is built around swing and swing only...if it aint swinging then they are a just a bunch of medium pacers who are very hittable..
If we played three test in NZ where the ball swings a lot then they would probably have won the series...still plenty of holes in the Aussie lineup.....and Voges and the Marsh boys are a very rubbery middle order.

The West Indies are just rubbish and even without Starc I expect a 2-0 result....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 30, 2015, 02:42:28 pm
I think we were lucky to win and Lyon was out but thats test cricket, Santer dropped an easy catch that also could have changed the game but good teams takes their chances when offered....we have a bit more depth in bowling than the kiwis whose attack is built around swing and swing only...if it aint swinging then they are a just a bunch of medium pacers who a very hittable..
If we played three test in NZ where the ball swings a lot then they would probably have won the series...still plenty of holes in the Aussie lineup.....and Voges and the Marsh boys are a very rubbery middle order.

The West Indies are just rubbish and even without Starc I expect a 2-0 result....

Not sure if Lyon was out if there was nothing on Snicko. Hotpsot can is unreliable and was nearly dropped before the 2013 Ashes Series here for that reason. Snicko, much more reliable. Picks up anything. No spike so doubt it hit.

Fortunately for NZ Santner's chance didn't cost too much. Smith though dropped two the night before.

Think it's two Tests in NZ. Starc will enjoy the conditions. Middle order though is a worry. Bat ok dpwn the Voges then it's a worry. Don't have Johnson coming in at 8 to strenghen things.

The two Kiwi opening bowlers are world class. Been the cornerstone of alot more recent success for them, even in the UAE. We're the first to have beaten then for a while in a series. Bracewell is ok but that's where it stops.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: northernblue on November 30, 2015, 03:04:44 pm
You're sounding more and more like your little mate jimbo... Just keep repeating things and maybe someone will believe it as fact, but for mine it was out.
Very big get out of jail card for Aus.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 30, 2015, 03:59:22 pm
You're sounding more and more like your little mate jimbo... Just keep repeating things and maybe someone will believe it as fact, but for mine it was out.
Very big get out of jail card for Aus.

If Snicko doesn't pick it up it means there's a good chance he didn't hit or at the worst creates doubt. It's it considered by cricket officials to be more reliable than hotspot. No snicko creates doubt, means the batsman gets the benefit.

Hotspot sometimes doesn't pick up an edge when the batsman smashes it, other times picks up reflections. Snicko picks up everything. As i said, hotspot was nearly dropped in 2013 due to unreliabilty once Real Time Snicko come it. Let's face it, Hotspot isn't needed with Snicko.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/cricket/ashes/56165/ashes-hot-spot-recalled-snicko-umpires-feel-heat

It's easy to keep repeating stuff when it is right. Try it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: northernblue on December 02, 2015, 01:29:15 am
Try this one jimbo...

Top Stories: Decisive DRS decision against New Zealand was wrong, says ICC
http://ab.co/1StHBFq

Bozo...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 02, 2015, 11:43:04 am
If it was Australia whining about the decision we'd be criticized for being sore losers.

.......but not those fluffy, cuddly Kiwis.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 02, 2015, 11:48:23 am
Its cricket, swings and roundabouts....if you play the game long enough it usually evens out, Kiwis got unlucky this time but things will probably go their way next time, we were the better team through the series and the right result was achieved IMO....

Nathan Coulter Nile been selected with Siddle maybe in doubt....I'm sure our WA forum contingent will be happy but I cant work out what that selection has been based on given he hasnt played all season and has no form line to go by.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 02, 2015, 11:58:56 am
Its cricket, swings and roundabouts....if you play the game long enough it usually evens out, Kiwis got unlucky this time but things will probably go their way next time, we were the better team through the series and the right result was achieved IMO....

Nathan Coulter Nile been selected with Siddle maybe in doubt....I'm sure our WA forum contingent will be happy but I cant work out what that selection has been based on given he hasnt played all season and has no form line to go by.

Nobody is more surprised than Coulter-Nile.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 03, 2015, 09:56:42 am
Nobody is more surprised than Coulter-Nile.

Selected on a "gut feeling"........well, I'm sure guys like Jackson Bird are happy to know that they needn't bother taking truckloads of wickets anymore....as the selectors don't bother to look at that !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 03, 2015, 11:35:52 am
Selected on a "gut feeling"........well, I'm sure guys like Jackson Bird are happy to know that they needn't bother taking truckloads of wickets anymore....as the selectors don't bother to look at that !

I think Coulter-Nile has qualifications in massage therapy.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 03, 2015, 12:06:46 pm
Selected on a "gut feeling"........well, I'm sure guys like Jackson Bird are happy to know that they needn't bother taking truckloads of wickets anymore....as the selectors don't bother to look at that !

I think the selectors are panicking due to the loss of the lower order batting depth more than the loss of bowling.

The coming West Indies series is really only a risk to Australia if we don't make enough runs against the Windie's reasonable but shallow bowling attack. The Windies have two erratic bowlers who vary from very average to excellent but not much to back them up with.

Losing the batting of Johnson and Starc is a bigger loss for the coming months than the loss of their bowling.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 03, 2015, 12:38:48 pm
I think the selectors are panicking due to the loss of the lower order batting depth more than the loss of bowling.

The coming West Indies series is really only a risk to Australia if we don't make enough runs against the Windie's reasonable but shallow bowling attack. The Windies have two erratic bowlers who vary from very average to excellent but not much to back them up with.

Losing the batting of Johnson and Starc is a bigger loss for the coming months than the loss of their bowling.

Windies will be lucky to exceed 250 in any innings this series IMO....their batting is woeful...if the Marsh Bros and Voges cant make runs vs these chumps then they might as well give up playing cricket.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 03, 2015, 01:13:13 pm
Windies will be lucky to exceed 250 in any innings this series IMO....their batting is woeful...if the Marsh Bros and Voges cant make runs vs these chumps then they might as well give up playing cricket.

That's my whole point, the current selection is not about needing to take wickets with class bowlers, I think a bottom of the table Shield team could bowl out this Windies line-up.

The only danger to Australia is the two reasonable bowlers the Windies have on hand, but they cannot bowl every ball between them. So I suspect the Coulter-Nile selection is about giving the Australian team enough batting depth so that when the spuds roll their arm over Australia will score heavily putting the total out of the West Indies reach!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 03, 2015, 02:26:07 pm
That's my whole point, the current selection is not about needing to take wickets with class bowlers, I think a bottom of the table Shield team could bowl out this Windies line-up.

The only danger to Australia is the two reasonable bowlers the Windies have on hand, but they cannot bowl every ball between them. So I suspect the Coulter-Nile selection is about giving the Australian team enough batting depth so that when the spuds roll their arm over Australia will score heavily putting the total out of the West Indies reach!

I'd be panicking as well with Mitchell Marsh batting 6 !  Number 6 seems to be given very little respect lately as a critical batting position.....when in fact it can often be the most critical.  Greats of the past who made batting 6 & rebuilding shattered innings with tailenders an art form include:  Doug Walters, Allan Border, Steve Waugh......each of whom averaged high 40s to 50 batting at 6.

And we've currently got Mitchell Marsh.....

Tail starts at 6.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 03, 2015, 02:40:50 pm
I'd be panicking as well with Mitchell Marsh batting 6 !  Number 6 seems to be given very little respect lately as a critical batting position.....when in fact it can often be the most critical.  Greats of the past who made batting 6 & rebuilding shattered innings with tailenders an art form include:  Doug Walters, Allan Border, Steve Waugh......each of whom averaged high 40s to 50 batting at 6.

And we've currently got Mitchell Marsh.....

Tail starts at 6.

Rod Marsh is very big on Peter Nevill to bat at 6 and there is talk he will exceed Adam Gilchrist as a batsman/wicketkeeper..........not for me, Gilchrist is a class above Nevill and while the latter is handy I dont rate him No 6 material either. The shorter formats of the game have destroyed the techniques of batsman however Nevill does play straight and isnt prone to park cricket slogs like M Marsh so he might have more success at No 6 leaving Marsh to try and hit quick 50's at No 7 .....
The Marsh bros should enjoy the Windies attack...they only bowl two lengths....short and shorter....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 03, 2015, 02:46:00 pm
WE could pick the weakest 2 members from each Sheffield Shield side and still win the series.

Most NSW Grade teams would beat them.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 03, 2015, 03:13:51 pm
Rod Marsh is very big on Peter Nevill to bat at 6 and there is talk he will exceed Adam Gilchrist as a batsman/wicketkeeper..........not for me, Gilchrist is a class above Nevill and while the latter is handy I dont rate him No 6 material either. The shorter formats of the game have destroyed the techniques of batsman however Nevill does play straight and isnt prone to park cricket slogs like M Marsh so he might have more success at No 6 leaving Marsh to try and hit quick 50's at No 7 .....
The Marsh bros should enjoy the Windies attack...they only bowl two lengths....short and shorter....

Yep, and that will be the problem, They'll make a couple of scores against rubbish bowling & the selectors will all pat themselves on the back & say "see, we told you" & we'll be stuck with them for another year !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 03, 2015, 03:49:00 pm
I hear all the doom-saying about West Indies Cricket, but we disrespect these guys at our peril. How many times have sides made assumptions that have come back to bite them on the posterior? Far too many for me!
At the moment the Windies do not look strong, but neither were the Kiwis in the 1st test.
Even if they are as weak as is reported, we must still not disrespect them. Instead we should use the serious to fix OUR holes. God knows we have them. Our fearsome pace attack has been crippled. Again. (Sounds like Carlton - the important guys can't stay out on the field.) Our batting is questionable. Where are the young tyros, the next generation of superstars? I don't see many.

Our Batting:
[1] Openers: We have a world class opener (Warner), but he is injured and we aren't treating him to get the best out of him long term. He was unimpressive last test while recovering.
The other opener had a good period, but has now failed 4 times in a row. Is he good enough? Good question, but he doesn't appear to appreciate the moving ball (but few batsmen do).
On the horizon is a young lad from WA that was highly touted. He hasn't made a single run yet at Sheffield Shield level this season.

We had a very good and stable opening partnership, but Rogers retired and Warner got injured. There are now questions.

[2] Khawaja: I hope his early good form is a sign that he has matured. We need a gritty guy at #3. His hamstring injury did not help, but he should be back soon. Hopefully he can regain that form, but he is still no certainty.

[3] Smith: Unlike last year, Smith seems to be getting himself out at the moment. I would prefer to see him bat at #4. He is a world class player.

[4] Middle order: Do we really have one?
Voges is doing OK, but he is not a long term option. Nor is he batting that way. He hasn't been able to stay around under pressure. I hope he can last a little longer, but I worry about how he will handle a world class attack, especially a spin attack. he tends to fall when we collapse, not stop the rot.
Mitch Marsh really needs to work on his batting. He doesn't seem to concentrate enough. We cannot afford him at #6 or #7 if he is going to give his wicket away. When he is on, there isn't a ground big enough in the world to contain him. But he hasn't come off yet. He needs to CONCENTRATE.
So does Shaun Marsh. Not for the first time he has done the hard yards to drop all confidence and not make the milestone. He also gives his wicket away too easily in his normal play. I am not sure what we can do for this guy, but he really does have talent. But we cannot afford a guy who fails under pressure.
Nevill I quite like. He may not be a crash and bash man, but he does have a bit of fight in him. We really need that. I'd like him to bat at #7, but that assumes we have a reasonable top 6. We may have to have him batting at #6, as Marsh has shown nothing there.

Our bowling: This wouldn't be s bad if we could keep guys on the field. How did the West Indies do it for so long? They never seemed to have injuries. Our young quicks can barely go a week without getting injured. The fact that our attack is still decent goes to show we do have some depth in our pace bowling. Not that things could not be better, but I am not going to complain.
Coulter-Nile was very lucky, but he has a chance to show something. I hope he does. I liked what Bird did not long back.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 03, 2015, 04:12:02 pm
I hear all the doom-saying about West Indies Cricket, but we disrespect these guys at our peril. How many times have sides made assumptions that have come back to bite them on the posterior? Far too many for me!
At the moment the Windies do not look strong, but neither were the Kiwis in the 1st test.
Even if they are as weak as is reported, we must still not disrespect them. Instead we should use the serious to fix OUR holes. God knows we have them. Our fearsome pace attack has been crippled. Again. (Sounds like Carlton - the important guys can't stay out on the field.) Our batting is questionable. Where are the young tyros, the next generation of superstars? I don't see many.

Our Batting:
[1] Openers: We have a world class opener (Warner), but he is injured and we aren't treating him to get the best out of him long term. He was unimpressive last test while recovering.
The other opener had a good period, but has now failed 4 times in a row. Is he good enough? Good question, but he doesn't appear to appreciate the moving ball (but few batsmen do).
On the horizon is a young lad from WA that was highly touted. He hasn't made a single run yet at Sheffield Shield level this season.

We had a very good and stable opening partnership, but Rogers retired and Warner got injured. There are now questions.

[2] Khawaja: I hope his early good form is a sign that he has matured. We need a gritty guy at #3. His hamstring injury did not help, but he should be back soon. Hopefully he can regain that form, but he is still no certainty.

[3] Smith: Unlike last year, Smith seems to be getting himself out at the moment. I would prefer to see him bat at #4. He is a world class player.

[4] Middle order: Do we really have one?
Voges is doing OK, but he is not a long term option. Nor is he batting that way. He hasn't been able to stay around under pressure. I hope he can last a little longer, but I worry about how he will handle a world class attack, especially a spin attack. he tends to fall when we collapse, not stop the rot.
Mitch Marsh really needs to work on his batting. He doesn't seem to concentrate enough. We cannot afford him at #6 or #7 if he is going to give his wicket away. When he is on, there isn't a ground big enough in the world to contain him. But he hasn't come off yet. He needs to CONCENTRATE.
So does Shaun Marsh. Not for the first time he has done the hard yards to drop all confidence and not make the milestone. He also gives his wicket away too easily in his normal play. I am not sure what we can do for this guy, but he really does have talent. But we cannot afford a guy who fails under pressure.
Nevill I quite like. He may not be a crash and bash man, but he does have a bit of fight in him. We really need that. I'd like him to bat at #7, but that assumes we have a reasonable top 6. We may have to have him batting at #6, as Marsh has shown nothing there.

Our bowling: This wouldn't be s bad if we could keep guys on the field. How did the West Indies do it for so long? They never seemed to have injuries. Our young quicks can barely go a week without getting injured. The fact that our attack is still decent goes to show we do have some depth in our pace bowling. Not that things could not be better, but I am not going to complain.
Coulter-Nile was very lucky, but he has a chance to show something. I hope he does. I liked what Bird did not long back.

Crash,

Unless they've uncovered a new Viv, Clive, Desmond and Gordon they are NOOOOOOOOOOOOO chance.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 03, 2015, 04:25:15 pm
Oh, I agree they are not looking good. But we really cannot afford to treat them like faeces.

To be honest, cricket in the West Indies needs a lot of work. They are losing talent to games like basketball and there is so much infighting that it is difficult to see any decision not in that context. The players are not getting the money they once did, so many are becoming specialists at the shorter forms of the game as cricket mercenaries. I can understand all of that.
But if we take them lightly, they may well do a Zimbabwe and shock us out of games. We are not strong enough ourselves to be disrespecting opponents, even ones going as poorly as the Windies at the moment. It is not necessary, nor is it helpful. We need to get our own act together, first and foremost.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 03, 2015, 11:05:19 pm
Barring weather, 3-0, who's next
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 11, 2015, 12:12:32 pm
Aus 3/538.......the tourists are just that...tourists, they couldnt give a rats ar$e about test cricket....Boxing Day test should be free on the 3rd day as thats how long the game will go for....wonder if the Mont Albert  2nd eleven could be persuaded to play that test as they would provide more opposition.
Ian Chappell has been scathing of the Windies.....dont reckon they will exist in 5 years time, their islands are more interested in their own Premier league games and T20 cricket and of course their decent players only want to play IPL....

ICC need to find another test playing nation....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 11, 2015, 12:19:19 pm
Aus 3/538.......the tourists are just that...tourists, they couldnt give a rats ar$e about test cricket....Boxing Day test should be free on the 3rd day as thats how long the game will go for....wonder if the Mont Albert  2nd eleven could be persuaded to play that test as they would provide more opposition.
Ian Chappell has been scathing of the Windies.....dont reckon they will exist in 5 years time, their islands are more interested in their own Premier league games and T20 cricket and of course their decent players only want to play IPL....

ICC need to find another test playing nation....

This might sound like a crazy idea, but I think CA should consider buying or setting up a cricket academy in the Windies.

They have a rich history and the Oz public has always gone to watch them in droves.

The revenue lost in crowds and TV audiences dropping off would be costing a lot more.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on December 11, 2015, 12:19:49 pm
Yep, records falling left right and center, by 2 batsmen who don't have that great a record says more about how poor the West Indies are than how good these batsmen are.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 11, 2015, 02:44:34 pm
Yep, records falling left right and center, by 2 batsmen who don't have that great a record says more about how poor the West Indies are than how good these batsmen are.

Yet they did what they did where others - Warner et al, Smith fell cheaply.

Voges averages close to 70 - some respect for that!!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 11, 2015, 03:21:24 pm
Yet they did what they did where others - Warner et al, Smith fell cheaply.

Voges averages close to 70 - some respect for that!!!

I'm not bagging Voges and Marsh but it's a fair point Amers makes.

Making runs against this West Indian team should almost be devalued 2:1, at one stage they were going at 6 runs an over in a test match!

Warner and Smith have made significant amounts of runs against some of the world's top rated bowlers in a variety of conditions.

Voges and Marsh have some way to go before they can claim the same level of kudos, as batsmen they might consider themselves lucky that they got a gig against this team when perhaps Bancroft or Klinger might have started to cement a spot in similar circumstances!

Burns won't be happy after getting a start!

The same can be said for our bowlers, but in some degree the bowlers risk is inverted. Not taking wickets against this lot might end your career, but at the same time taking a bag probably isn't worth much!

It seems playing the West Indies is all risk with very little reward.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 11, 2015, 08:32:09 pm
You look at the West Indies team and you see a team with no self belief and no confidence. They don't believe they can win. The result, therefore, tends to be clear.
They remind me of what we were playing like under Malthouse early this year: worried about making a mistake and going through the motions.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 11, 2015, 08:47:51 pm
Just slightly off topic, but I watched the Cricket Show yesterday and was amazed. Ian Healy had a junior teenage cricket player practice some wicket keeping, while Healy hit cricket balls at him. The way he instructed the junior with catching skills was great to watch. Teaching the junior how to move his feet and what side of the body to take the ball depending on where the stumps were placed. His instructions were very precise and attention to detail. He spoke clearly and explained exactly why skills are practiced in a certain way. He would make an excellent keeping coach. Even if Slater had a spin on fielding with some advice himself, Ian would explain a more preferred technique and why it is a better drill. He is a clever man and was a great cricket player. Especially as a keeper with batting ability to add. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 11, 2015, 09:46:01 pm
This might sound like a crazy idea, but I think CA should consider buying or setting up a cricket academy in the Windies.

They have a rich history and the Oz public has always gone to watch them in droves.

The revenue lost in crowds and TV audiences dropping off would be costing a lot more.

I dont think it is a crazy idea and IMO the richer test playing nations like India, England and us should contribute to a Windies academy...
Unlike the old days less Windies players are involved in county cricket hence they dont get to hone their techniques and it affects their ability to perform at test level.
Its just all T20 park cricket for them and the lucrative T20 comps around the world...they need incentive to train and play the longer form of the game....maybe some county cricket scholarships
would help as well as a modern academy staffed by past greats....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on December 12, 2015, 02:54:33 pm
The Calypso kids become the Collapso kids.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 12, 2015, 09:33:08 pm
Back when Viv Richards, Clive Lloyd, Desmond Haynes, Gordon Greenidge, Malcolm Holding, Joel Garner were playing the West Indies were the best cricket nation in the world at any form of the game. Now look look very green and ordinary playing cricket. That doesn't worry me though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on December 14, 2015, 12:33:33 am
Yet they did what they did where others - Warner et al, Smith fell cheaply.

Voges averages close to 70 - some respect for that!!!

Yeah, and what was it before his innings in Tasmania?!!  :P

But seriously, 70 is a good average, I wasn't aware of that, he is still pretty young in his Test career and for me at least hadn't proven a whole lot before his last inning.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on December 14, 2015, 12:35:14 am
Just slightly off topic, but I watched the Cricket Show yesterday and was amazed. Ian Healy had a junior teenage cricket player practice some wicket keeping, while Healy hit cricket balls at him. The way he instructed the junior with catching skills was great to watch. Teaching the junior how to move his feet and what side of the body to take the ball depending on where the stumps were placed. His instructions were very precise and attention to detail. He spoke clearly and explained exactly why skills are practiced in a certain way. He would make an excellent keeping coach. Even if Slater had a spin on fielding with some advice himself, Ian would explain a more preferred technique and why it is a better drill. He is a clever man and was a great cricket player. Especially as a keeper with batting ability to add. ;)

Yeah, enjoyed watching that....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 27, 2015, 07:42:24 pm
The ACB should send this Windies team home and give the gate money back to the poor patrons who have been hoodwinked into parting with their hard earned to watch
the garbage that these con artists are dishing out....6/91 chasing another 500 plus score...
They must be on the take ie Paki cricketers, no team can be this woeful and so non competitive....they swagger like the old Windies team, wear the same amount of bling as the old Windies but thats where the similarity ends ...
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Post by: Professer E on December 27, 2015, 07:47:21 pm
Only went yesterday because ny kids were representing the renegades and the lack of pressure due to inconsistent bowling and pedestrian fielding strategy stood out.  They wouldn't beat club sides at the moment... Kids not ready, no senior leadership and some going at half rat power.... Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 27, 2015, 07:52:31 pm
The ACB should send this Windies team home and give the gate money back to the poor patrons who have been hoodwinked into parting with their hard earned to watch
the garbage that these con artists are dishing out....6/91 chasing another 500 plus score...
They must be on the take ie Paki cricketers, no team can be this woeful and so non competitive....they swagger like the old Windies team, wear the same amount of bling as the old Windies but thats where the similarity ends ...

I think that it's more of an indication of the 21st century political, social and economic realities in the Caribbean.  If the West Indies is ever to be a cricketing force again, the ICC really needs to take action to reform the West Indies Cricket Board and revive interest in the longer forms of the game.  A strong West Indies is good for world cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 27, 2015, 08:24:25 pm
I think that it's more of an indication of the 21st century political, social and economic realities in the Caribbean.  If the West Indies is ever to be a cricketing force again, the ICC really needs to take action to reform the West Indies Cricket Board and revive interest in the longer forms of the game.  A strong West Indies is good for world cricket.

The locals have more interest in their Premier league 20/20 local comp that gets played between the islands than they do in the traditional formats, why would you want to play test cricket and
get paid peanuts when the short format specialists get so much more?......not many Windies players in county cricket anymore, they dont want to learn how to play the longer formats of the game that require technique and more hard work to learn.

These blokes cant even field properly..its comical watching them ....the IPL has stuffed Test Cricket for the poorer nations IMO, only hope is if the ICC pump more money into the longer game but with India holding the whip hand at the ICC table and running the IPL its not going to happen and I fear we may lose the Windies as a test playing team..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 27, 2015, 09:01:39 pm
The locals have more interest in their Premier league 20/20 local comp that gets played between the islands than they do in the traditional formats, why would you want to play test cricket and
get paid peanuts when the short format specialists get so much more?......not many Windies players in county cricket anymore, they dont want to learn how to play the longer formats of the game that require technique and more hard work to learn.

These blokes cant even field properly..its comical watching them ....the IPL has stuffed Test Cricket for the poorer nations IMO, only hope is if the ICC pump more money into the longer game but with India holding the whip hand at the ICC table and running the IPL its not going to happen and I fear we may lose the Windies as a test playing team..

I think that will be inevitable unless the ICC takes action to rein in the IPL and support Caribbean cricket . . . and that's unlikely to happen.

Perhaps the long term saviour will be the re-kindled interest in cricket in the USA.  I read that it is one of the fastest growing games and there is a demand for expats to both teach and bolster the game.  Of course, it will be vital to ensure that it's the longer forms of the game that take off.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 27, 2015, 09:04:59 pm
The locals have more interest in their Premier league 20/20 local comp that gets played between the islands than they do in the traditional formats, why would you want to play test cricket and
get paid peanuts when the short format specialists get so much more?......not many Windies players in county cricket anymore, they dont want to learn how to play the longer formats of the game that require technique and more hard work to learn.

These blokes cant even field properly..its comical watching them ....the IPL has stuffed Test Cricket for the poorer nations IMO, only hope is if the ICC pump more money into the longer game but with India holding the whip hand at the ICC table and running the IPL its not going to happen and I fear we may lose the Windies as a test playing team..

I think you are on the ball, there are rumblings behind the scenes of a move by the old establishment to formulate a rescue package, primarily the Windies talking with England, Australia and Sth Africa. But it's hard to see where the money will come from, the Windies themselves are reported to be almost broke and the other nations are almost dependant on India.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 27, 2015, 09:32:03 pm
LP and DJ.....a rescue package will have to be independent of the ICC IMO and organised by countries like Australia, England and South Africa...

The USA cricket push has merit and interest and I have no doubt the ICC would love to have a team playing out of the US and foster the game there.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 27, 2015, 10:02:54 pm
The USA cricket push has merit and interest and I have no doubt the ICC would love to have a team playing out of the US and foster the game there.

Do not know about the USA, but there was a massive push on a few years back to get Sth America involved. I know Columbia, Venezuela and Argentina had teams back in the early 2000s and competed in a Sth American Championship. Columbia and Venezuela produced a few county cricketers.

This list is not current cricket countries, but it is a list of countries where you can subscribe to watch cricket on streaming services so I assume it has some following in those locations.

https://www.cricketwireless.com/support/plans-and-features/international-features/customer/international-countries.html
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 27, 2015, 10:10:25 pm
The West Indies are a very sad case indeed. Imagine they had Holding, Garner, Marshal, Richards, Lloyd, Haynes, Greenidge, Logie, Walsh, Lara and now they have what ?? What they are displaying on the field is a very sad story considering so many greats of the past are still watching. 20/20 cricket is potentially destroying the best game in the world apart from AFL football. Test cricket has always been the ultimate form of the sport. One day format is very entertaining, especially with Gilchrist/Warner types putting on a great show. However test cricket on Boxing day is just great to watch. Boring when I see what the Windies are about at the moment. I can't even call it a joke. How people justify the ticket entry fee is beyond me.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 27, 2015, 11:44:01 pm
I disagree. I drove my son 2 hours to the G today. Saw the best batsman in the world make a ton, and a 36 year old do the same and bring up his 1000 runs in a calendar year, when he probably thought his chances were over a couple of years ago. Then we watched Australia's best ever off spinner take a couple of wickets, and two Victorian quicks pick up a couple of wickets each, including one on a hat trick. It was a great day. The best bit was we were chatting walking out of the great stadium about how we are used to seeing one-sided contests at the G, but this time the 2 hour drive home was going to be a lot more fun than usual!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 28, 2015, 10:17:51 am
I disagree. I drove my son 2 hours to the G today. Saw the best batsman in the world make a ton, and a 36 year old do the same and bring up his 1000 runs in a calendar year, when he probably thought his chances were over a couple of years ago. Then we watched Australia's best ever off spinner take a couple of wickets, and two Victorian quicks pick up a couple of wickets each, including one on a hat trick. It was a great day. The best bit was we were chatting walking out of the great stadium about how we are used to seeing one-sided contests at the G, but this time the 2 hour drive home was going to be a lot more fun than usual!

Did you see a contest Jack?.......the worlds best batsman on paper made runs vs the worlds worst attack that had to bowl part time spinners to make the over rate happen....
I enjoyed Pattinson bowling...pace with reverse swing...thats worth seeing...
Nathan Lyon ..Aus best offie?.....not for me...I'd have Ashley Mallet ahead of him as a bowler and Mallet was a gun gully fielder as well
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 28, 2015, 12:19:44 pm
Did you see a contest Jack?.......the worlds best batsman on paper made runs vs the worlds worst attack that had to bowl part time spinners to make the over rate happen....
I enjoyed Pattinson bowling...pace with reverse swing...thats worth seeing...
Nathan Lyon ..Aus best offie?.....not for me...I'd have Ashley Mallet ahead of him as a bowler and Mallet was a gun gully fielder as well

Lyon is our most successful off spinner in terms of wickets taken but I wouldn't say he's our best.  It's hard to compare players from different eras but I would rank Lyon 4th or 5th with Trumble, Mallett and Johnson ahead of him and Yardley fighting it out with him for 4th spot.

While it hasn't been much of a contest, there has been plenty of action and the home side doing well is always decent entertainment, particularly for young folk.  Hopefully, the Windies will be a little more competitive today.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 28, 2015, 04:38:06 pm
IMO Lyons last 18 months make him the best offie we've had.

Playing on decks that give nothing and bats like railway sleepers.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 28, 2015, 05:16:55 pm
You're missing the point EB. When you do the 2 hour drive each way every week, it feels so good to walk away feeling happy!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 28, 2015, 07:35:08 pm
Mallett is the best off-spinner I've seen in Australia, but Lyon has improved one helluva lot recentlu to the point of being not too much behind him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 28, 2015, 10:36:28 pm
Mallett is the best off-spinner I've seen in Australia, but Lyon has improved one helluva lot recentlu to the point of being not too much behind him.

I rated Mallet better because he played in a tougher era of cricket IMO....happy to agree that Lyon has improved though and I guess the stats back Lyon of recent times but bowling to Graeme Pollock and Barry Richards is a bit different than rolling the arm over vs Marlon Samuels and Darren Bravo....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 29, 2015, 09:05:09 pm
Now the 2nd test has been won and the Windies have shown some fight, there may be a little less trash talk. Then again, there may not.
I really did a number on Warner: he has barely made a run against the Windies. However, statistically he usually starts a season strongly and fizzles somewhat towards the end. That has certainly been the case this season.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 29, 2015, 09:20:00 pm
Now the 2nd test has been won and the Windies have shown some fight, there may be a little less trash talk. Then again, there may not.
I really did a number on Warner: he has barely made a run against the Windies. However, statistically he usually starts a season strongly and fizzles somewhat towards the end. That has certainly been the case this season.

They did fight back better, but we missed some opportunities. Not confident they will do well up at Sydney. We will be missing Siddle with foot issues. If Warner finds any of his form come back, he will rip the Windies bowling line up a new one for sure.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 30, 2015, 12:01:31 am
Pattinson, Hazlewood, Lyon, Marsh and another spinner in Sydney; probably O'Keefe?

I'd go with Maxwell but that's probably too left field.  Besides, O'Keefe is a New South Welshman  ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 30, 2015, 12:47:44 am
For the dead rubber I'd like to see Agar get his chance on home soil.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 30, 2015, 10:35:34 pm
Interesting to hear the commentators talk about the "drop in" pitches and how they offer so much more for the batting sides than the bowlers. How they hold together much better over 5 days. I also remember the SCG and how it started to fall apart with huge cracks already into day 4. Therefore giving the side batting last on day 5 plenty of problems out in the middle. A real spinners track to say the least. How technology has changed the game over many years.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 01, 2016, 02:04:31 pm
Talk of a Test Cricket Grand final played after a 24 month cycle of test matches between all nations and the top 2 playing off...also players being allowed to play for different countries under certain conditions ie Kevin Petiersen who is a gun for hire after being discarded by England would be allow to play for minnow countries like Zimbabwe, West Indies etc to make them competitive and give valuable experience....

The Test Grand final I would support but less enthused about players changing countries....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2016, 02:38:14 pm
Talk of a Test Cricket Grand final played after a 24 month cycle of test matches between all nations and the top 2 playing off...also players being allowed to play for different countries under certain conditions ie Kevin Petiersen who is a gun for hire after being discarded by England would be allow to play for minnow countries like Zimbabwe, West Indies etc to make them competitive and give valuable experience....

The Test Grand final I would support but less enthused about players changing countries....

Yes, if you can change countries just like that, the countries become glorified club sides.

A Test Grand Final sounds ok but it could just end up like the Shield Final. The home side creating the flattest of tracks so a draw is good enough to give them the title.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on January 01, 2016, 02:47:06 pm
The Test Grand final I would support but less enthused about players changing countries....

Tend to agree. Could open a Pandora's box of problems which (like FA in the AFL ) could see players chasing coin ahead of representing their country at test level. It would also harm traditions such as the baggy green.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 01, 2016, 03:30:53 pm
The Test Grand final I would support but less enthused about players changing countries....

Wessels did it twice!

I think the idea has merit but there would have to be some well thought out conditions.

For someone like Pieterson, who is good enough but has been blacklisted, an opportunity to play and influence a struggling Test side would be good for cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2016, 10:35:51 pm
Wessels did it twice!

I think the idea has merit but there would have to be some well thought out conditions.

For someone like Pieterson, who is good enough but has been blacklisted, an opportunity to play and influence a struggling Test side would be good for cricket.

You can change countries now after a waiting period of a few years but just to change countries willy nilly turns it into a glorified club competition.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 01, 2016, 11:24:16 pm
You can change countries now after a waiting period of a few years but just to change countries willy nilly turns it into a glorified club competition.

Yes, I agree that it shouldn't be open slather.  However, once players are told that they are no longer required, like Pieterson, it should be possible for them to play with one other Test playing country.

There's something similar in T20 cricket with Dirk Nannes playing for the Netherlands.  Of course, he has Dutch citizenship through his parents and played for Australia after playing for the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 02, 2016, 01:11:30 pm
Yes, I agree that it shouldn't be open slather.  However, once players are told that they are no longer required, like Pieterson, it should be possible for them to play with one other Test playing country.

There's something similar in T20 cricket with Dirk Nannes playing for the Netherlands.  Of course, he has Dutch citizenship through his parents and played for Australia after playing for the Netherlands.

Only if it were to help the minnow countries like Zimbabwe. Not, say, to Australia, for example though unless they've gone through the qualifying period.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 02, 2016, 03:50:23 pm
Only if it were to help the minnow countries like Zimbabwe. Not, say, to Australia, for example though unless they've gone through the qualifying period.

Exactly! Blokes who aren't considered by the top 3 or 4 teams can play for a minnow country but the nationalisation and residential rules would still apply for everyone else.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 02, 2016, 07:42:10 pm
Probably been said a dozen times but geez the Big Bash commentary is miles better than Ch9. Too much Mark Nickolas and James Brayshaw crap on 9.
Pointing, Flemming etc do a great job
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 02, 2016, 08:27:11 pm
Probably been said a dozen times but geez the Big Bash commentary is miles better than Ch9. Too much Mark Nickolas and James Brayshaw crap on 9.
Pointing, Flemming etc do a great job

My next door neighbour is running the show for Ten.  He reckons he's too old to be flying round the country and staying up late.  He didn't finish work at Docklands until 2am the other night!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 02, 2016, 08:34:30 pm
My next door neighbour is running the show for Ten.  He reckons he's too old to be flying round the country and staying up late.  He didn't finish work at Docklands until 2am the other night!

Tell him he's doing a great job.
Can't stand the footy show/MMM style crap on 9.
I think the success of BB will see them review it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on January 02, 2016, 08:43:50 pm
Tell him he's doing a great job.
Can't stand the footy show/MMM style crap on 9.
I think the success of BB will see them review it.

How's it rating?

I like the coverage although they do get carried away sometimes and forget there's a game on.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on January 02, 2016, 10:24:25 pm
The big difference is that 20/20 is entertainment that happens to be cricket and the commentary reflects that really well- it doesn't matter if the aren't 45 replays of one ball,  or that they don't always talk about what we can obviously see.   Test cricket is a game first and entertainment second, with the commentary being neither.

I don't know if I could listen to 6 hours of 20/20 commentary on a test match, but I do know I can't listen to the current ch 9 efforts.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 03, 2016, 10:17:54 am
I like Adam Gilchrist and Damien Fleming commentating in the BB but Mark Waugh winds me up and all I see is a horse racing scam artist and Ricky Ponting says little of value while sucking on his Swisse Multivites.....Andy Maher and Mark Howard wouldnt know one end of a bat from the other and Freddie Flintoff should have been left in the African Jungle with a few other celebs..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on January 03, 2016, 11:43:14 am
agree with most of that EB.

Freddys routine wears a bit thin pretty quick.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 04, 2016, 08:50:41 am
England the lazy 629 vs the Saffies....Stokes 258, Bairstow 150...the Saffies have really come back to the field...to be fair no Steyn and Philander but both  those two probably dont have long in the long format of the game...
Stokes I rate(128 in one session???) but if little Jonny is making 150 then you know times are tough in SA cricket....
Graeme Smith might get that phone call to come back very soon IMO....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 04, 2016, 12:13:19 pm
The next tier of players simply haven't come on EB, Faf and Duminy just aren't consistent enough.

Maybe Broad and Ali are better than people give them credit for.

On another topic Maxwell etal. Like to bag Melbourne weather.  How much time was lost to drizzle in the last test Jim?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on January 04, 2016, 01:53:50 pm
Can't stand Jim Maxwell... should be pensioned off.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 04, 2016, 02:21:36 pm
The next tier of players simply haven't come on EB, Faf and Duminy just aren't consistent enough.

Maybe Broad and Ali are better than people give them credit for.

On another topic Maxwell etal. Like to bag Melbourne weather.  How much time was lost to drizzle in the last test Jim?

No Depth in the Saffie local comp Prof...and they are disadvantaged by the quota system...

Broad is an excellent player and a bloke like Ali is very handy but they have not had much to beat...

Jim Maxwell is probably due for retirement...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 04, 2016, 02:55:50 pm
No Depth in the Saffie local comp Prof...and they are disadvantaged by the quota system...

Broad is an excellent player and a bloke like Ali is very handy but they have not had much to beat...

Jim Maxwell is probably due for retirement...

England and Australia are probably the best two teams around at the moment. Saffers are struggling and I don't include India while they cheat and doctor up their wickets. No that many sides are playing well away, India are really ordinary away from home.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 04, 2016, 03:39:36 pm
The bloke who really should be pensioned off is Mike Coward, gees he dribbles on.  At least Skull was funny, I miss his jokes and funky laugh.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 04, 2016, 04:14:26 pm
No Depth in the Saffie local comp Prof...and they are disadvantaged by the quota system...

Broad is an excellent player and a bloke like Ali is very handy but they have not had much to beat...

Jim Maxwell is probably due for retirement...

Ali will be smashed out here, they'll need to decide if they want to carry him as a batsman then.  England will be in the position Saffers are in when Broad & Anderson are gone.....Aussies already going through that transition phase having lost Johnston & Harris & are getting good matches into Hazelwood & Pattinson.  Will Broad & Ando still be around for the return Ashes series out here ?  Broad probably, Anderson ?????

Will be interesting.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 04, 2016, 04:25:08 pm
The bloke who really should be pensioned off is Mike Coward, gees he dribbles on.  At least Skull was funny, I miss his jokes and funky laugh.

What's worse is, we now have to listen to Gerard Whately
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 04, 2016, 08:43:46 pm
Ali will be smashed out here, they'll need to decide if they want to carry him as a batsman then.  England will be in the position Saffers are in when Broad & Anderson are gone.....Aussies already going through that transition phase having lost Johnston & Harris & are getting good matches into Hazelwood & Pattinson.  Will Broad & Ando still be around for the return Ashes series out here ?  Broad probably, Anderson ?????

Will be interesting.

Anderson is/will be gone and Broad probably in the twilight of his career by then...agree on Ali as a bowler but he was probably more of a nuisance as a batsman and we didnt know how to handle him...that No 7 or No 8 who can keep out the good ones but smash the rest is very handy as Carlos Brathwaite is showing and they might carry Ali as a batter and part time spinner.
Not convinced Pattinson can last a hard test series or two in a row yet and ditto for Starc...Hazelwood is very Siddle like but can be carted with his lack of real pace...like to see Cummins back but he is another who cant stay on the park. Interesting to see Paris picked in the ODI team....I really like Behrendorff though and reckon he has been unlucky not to play for Aus in a few formats...good pace, swings the ball and is accurate...be a handful in English conditions IMO...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on January 04, 2016, 09:59:29 pm
The bloke who really should be pensioned off is Mike Coward, gees he dribbles on. At least Skull was funny, I miss his jokes and funky laugh.

His anecdotes would have been a godsend for this summers test series. Here's a skull classic for old times sake.

[flash=400,400]https://www.youtube.com/v/5Y3AXzZqg2k[/flash]

With Harsha......

[flash=400,400]https://www.youtube.com/v/_Y3rTOPNulI[/flash]
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 27, 2016, 11:55:33 am
re: Chris Gayle....been in the news for mainly the wrong reasons, however he does have some redeeming qualities it seems, my eldest daughter and her boyfriend were invited along to one of his mates birthday parties....happens this bloke is good friends with CG who rocked up and paid for the entire evening and was a gentleman to all concerned..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 13, 2016, 09:33:21 pm
Should Voges retire - tonight?

Averaging 100 in Test cricket.....gets out early tomorrow still averages a very healthy 92 odd.

It would mean immortality!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 13, 2016, 09:35:16 pm
Should Voges retire - tonight?

Averaging 100 in Test cricket.....gets out early tomorrow still averages a very healthy 92 odd.

It would mean immortality!

The Don and the Voge......think the latter will keep playing and get as many tests as he can but its a good point you make and he has taken his chances
even when he has been out but survived by dubious umpiring....how did they get that Bracewell no ball so wrong?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on February 13, 2016, 10:10:27 pm
Man of the match should be the skipper for winning the toss.

Voges making a zillion masks the facts that Warner is way off the boil (again), Burns continues to get out in stupid ways and Marsh can't bat at test level.

Its been a long summer and a few blokes are wilting... don't expect anything at the world 20/20 slog and celebrate competition.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 13, 2016, 10:21:42 pm
Man of the match should be the skipper for winning the toss.

Voges making a zillion masks the facts that Warner is way off the boil (again), Burns continues to get out in stupid ways and Marsh can't bat at test level.

Its been a long summer and a few blokes are wilting... don't expect anything at the world 20/20 slog and celebrate competition.

Skipper certainly made the right call.

Warner doesn't seem to off the boil. One failure doesn't do that. Averaging 51.34 and his last few series have been pretty good. Marsh does need to make more runs. Bowling well and at pace but if he bats 6 then he needs to average 35 being an allrounder. Maybe bat him at 7 and Nevill at 6.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on February 13, 2016, 11:10:12 pm
Skipper certainly made the right call.

Warner doesn't seem to off the boil. One failure doesn't do that. Averaging 51.34 and his last few series have been pretty good. Marsh does need to make more runs. Bowling well and at pace but if he bats 6 then he needs to average 35 being an allrounder. Maybe bat him at 7 and Nevill at 6.

Let's just pick the right player and not create another Watto.
If he can't bat top 6 find someone who can, and as good as Neville is with the gloves he's no number 6.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on February 17, 2016, 02:55:09 pm
Marsh aint a top 5 bowler nor a top 6 bat in the country, hence he should not be in our test side.

Simple as that.

Am enjoying reading up on Lyon's continued excellent work as our best offie. Not bad for a former groundsman from Adelaide.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 17, 2016, 06:56:15 pm
Let's just pick the right player and not create another Watto.
If he can't bat top 6 find someone who can, and as good as Neville is with the gloves he's no number 6.

Nevill does average 42 in first class cricket, 70 matches, 6 centuries, 19 50's and a high score of 235, so probably could bat 6. Often opened the batting for NSW in the 50 over One-dayers.

Marsh is an excellent 5th bowling option hence happy to give him time but he'll want to do it soon. Symonds was similar, batted so badly that the Poms called him a professional fieldsman until he hit them for 150. From there he didn't look back and averaged over 40. just hoping Marsh can have that breakthrough innings and do the same. He has the ability but not the confidence. Doesn't want to leave it too long though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 17, 2016, 06:57:57 pm
Marsh aint a top 5 bowler nor a top 6 bat in the country, hence he should not be in our test side.

Simple as that.


Where's the 5th bowler come from then. He's a beauty as a 5th bowler, just need him to find confidence with the bat.  Like I said above he best not take too long about it though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 17, 2016, 08:47:16 pm
Where's the 5th bowler come from then. He's a beauty as a 5th bowler, just need him to find confidence with the bat.  Like I said above he best not take too long about it though.

Agree..I like M. Marsh as the 5th bowler. gets wickets when others are struggling....needs a season or two playing county cricket to tighten up the technique for test cricket...he is what the system made him by doing his apprenticeship in the shorter formats of the game..

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on February 17, 2016, 08:53:29 pm
Agree..I like M. Marsh as the 5th bowler. gets wickets when others are struggling....needs a season or two playing county cricket to tighten up the technique for test cricket...he is what the system made him by doing his apprenticeship in the shorter formats of the game..

I tend to agree; he's a decent 5th bowling but needs to improve his batting before he can be classed as a genuine allrounder. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 18, 2016, 08:58:36 am
Where's the 5th bowler come from then. He's a beauty as a 5th bowler, just need him to find confidence with the bat.  Like I said above he best not take too long about it though.

I like him too. Can bowl 140+ and take wickets - surprised how often he's underbowled actually.

Then again, is he a better bet than Faulkner?

Mitch - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/272450.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/272450.html)

or James - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/270484.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/270484.html)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on February 18, 2016, 09:09:43 am
Agree..I like M. Marsh as the 5th bowler. gets wickets when others are struggling....needs a season or two playing county cricket to tighten up the technique for test cricket...he is what the system made him by doing his apprenticeship in the shorter formats of the game..

He should take a few blokes with him.
Burns and Warner could do with a season or two.
Would be nice to go over there next time with blokes that know the conditions.
It's hard to believe that Shaun Marsh had never played in England before last winter
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 18, 2016, 02:20:08 pm
I like him too. Can bowl 140+ and take wickets - surprised how often he's underbowled actually.

Then again, is he a better bet than Faulkner?

Mitch - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/272450.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/272450.html)

or James - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/270484.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/270484.html)

Yeah, as much as I hate to say it (coming from tassie), Marsh has just got more penetration than Faulkner for Test cricket.  James is just too slow & doesn't do enough with it for the long form of the game.  Batting wise, they're probably on a par.  Mind you, neither of them are good enough to bat #6 in the test side ATM.  Puts an awful lot of pressure on your top 5, particularly without the likes of Johnson, Starc, Harris to bolster runs from the tail !

What's the answer ?  I don't know.  If Marsh can get it up to averaging over 30 with the bat, he's probably doing enough to keep his spot.  Flintoff only averaged 31.....and 32 with the ball, on the back on one decent series.  good solid test all-rounders are about the same mark, 30 with both.

On another note, hopefully Patto can steam in & get his pace up in the 2nd test in NZ......and that Bird can bowl with in a lot better grouping than he did in the 1st !

cheers

Mal.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on February 19, 2016, 11:15:36 am
Faulkener at 7, Nevill at 6 works for me.

But surely our top 4 bowlers can take the ten wickets (maybe 10overs per day from the likes of Smith and Warner if needed...) Then you can play a batsmen at 6.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 20, 2016, 03:35:25 pm
Brendon McCullum in his last test has gone berserk in NZ and hit the quickest century ever(145), along with his mate Corey the slogger Anderson they have cleared or hit the the boundary more times than I have seen in an innings...it was T20 stuff at test level.....NZ all out 370 and Aus 1 for 37 in reply(Warner out)..Kiwis may just get up and win this one for McCullum..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 20, 2016, 05:38:33 pm
Brendon McCullum in his last test has gone berserk in NZ and hit the quickest century ever(145), along with his mate Corey the slogger Anderson they have cleared or hit the the boundary more times than I have seen in an innings...it was T20 stuff at test level.....NZ all out 370 and Aus 1 for 37 in reply(Warner out)..Kiwis may just get up and win this one for McCullum..

With BM dropped how many times (and 1 no ball wicket)?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on February 20, 2016, 07:40:27 pm
Patterson - wicket from a NB again... epitome of stupidity.

Warner out early again - mind ain't on the job IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 20, 2016, 09:39:27 pm
With BM dropped how many times (and 1 no ball wicket)?

Aus fielding isnt what it used be and no ball wickets seem a feature of test cricket these days.....Bracewell got dudded the last test with a reverse no ball wicket..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on February 20, 2016, 10:47:04 pm
Aus fielding isnt what it used be and no ball wickets seem a feature of test cricket these days.....Bracewell got dudded the last test with a reverse no ball wicket..

It was a ripper catch off the no-ball!

You'd think the bowlers would work just a little harder on getting their run ups right, particularly with the punishment dished out by reprieved batsmen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on February 21, 2016, 02:57:16 pm
It was a ripper catch off the no-ball!

You'd think the bowlers would work just a little harder on getting their run ups right, particularly with the punishment dished out be reprieved batsmen.
That is a huge point. We are not at the point where we can give opposing batsmen reprieves. Maybe in time, but not yet.
Our batting: I wish Warner could get to the point where his form lasts a whole summer. he usually starts with a bang and than struggles near the end. At the moment we need a real innings from him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on February 22, 2016, 10:38:23 am
Lads doing it nicely now.
Lyon a tidy score as night watchman too (no doubt more than Marsh can muster with the bat too I suspect).
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 22, 2016, 10:41:22 am
Even if Voges gets out first ball after lunch, he'll average a lazy 94.14 after 20 innings (the normal benchmark fort inclusion in most lists) - second only to the Don.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on February 22, 2016, 11:31:00 am
There's an interesting discussion about concussion after Smith's KO.  I would be surprised if cricket doesn't move into line with other sports when it comes to head injuries.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on February 24, 2016, 12:32:18 pm
Australia win and take the number 1 mantle for test cricket back.
I am often very cautious about us proclaiming to be the # 1 side but I honestly believe this group plus 3 or 4 others are the best in the world.

When you consider the improvement in the batting, in particular Khawaja at number 3, it is a very ominous line up. If Mitch Marsh can soften his hands they will be a great top 6.
Our bowling has very good skill and variety. Add Starc and Cummins to that group and they are world class.

Lyon will end up with 400+ wickets.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 24, 2016, 12:41:35 pm
AC 'the new Don' Voges now averaging 95.50.

 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 24, 2016, 12:53:28 pm
Australia win and take the number 1 mantle for test cricket back.
I am often very cautious about us proclaiming to be the # 1 side but I honestly believe this group plus 3 or 4 others are the best in the world.

When you consider the improvement in the batting, in particular Khawaja at number 3, it is a very ominous line up. If Mitch Marsh can soften his hands they will be a great top 6.
Our bowling has very good skill and variety. Add Starc and Cummins to that group and they are world class.

Lyon will end up with 400+ wickets.

I'd agree, i think we are the best team in the world and its because we have the best domestic comp and have more depth...take out its impossible for anyone to beat India on their home soil and
England doctor up their wickets the same to suit their bowlers and overall I think we perform better than most away and at home...

I'd have England at No 2 and India at No 3......Tha saffies are usually top 2 but have dropped away with Smith, Kallis retiring and Steyn being out injured all the time and I think they are in  a rebuild phase
that is hampered by the quota system....

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 24, 2016, 01:51:29 pm
Australia win and take the number 1 mantle for test cricket back.
I am often very cautious about us proclaiming to be the # 1 side but I honestly believe this group plus 3 or 4 others are the best in the world.

When you consider the improvement in the batting, in particular Khawaja at number 3, it is a very ominous line up. If Mitch Marsh can soften his hands they will be a great top 6.
Our bowling has very good skill and variety. Add Starc and Cummins to that group and they are world class.

Lyon will end up with 400+ wickets.

Probably the no.1 side. Not many sides can win away, meaning there's no dominate side, which you are alluding to, but we have in SA and NZ, plus, remembering individual Test wins counts rather than a series, we only lost 3-2 in England while pumping them 5-0 previously. That's probably got us no.1.

Up until the Australian series New Zealand hadn't been beaten for quite a long time. Drawn series in England (1-1) and surprisingly a drawn series in the UAE against the Pakis (1-1) on real spinning tracks. So beating them 4-0 home and away is a good win.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 24, 2016, 02:57:20 pm
Australia win and take the number 1 mantle for test cricket back.
I am often very cautious about us proclaiming to be the # 1 side but I honestly believe this group plus 3 or 4 others are the best in the world.

When you consider the improvement in the batting, in particular Khawaja at number 3, it is a very ominous line up. If Mitch Marsh can soften his hands they will be a great top 6.
Our bowling has very good skill and variety. Add Starc and Cummins to that group and they are world class.

Lyon will end up with 400+ wickets.

I like Jackson Bird taking a few scalps too, just starting to add that depth to the Fast bowling ranks that has been promised for a couple of years now but has rarely been delivered.  Patto looked good as well..Hazelwood is world class, his control with both the new ball & reverse was exceptional, how he didn't end up with a 5-for in that 2nd innings is beyond me....and probably what led to his frustration & overreaction.

Anyway, get Starc back fit & (in my dreams) a fit & firing Cummings & you've finally got a squad of 5-6 quicks that could all step up (I'm not sure about Nathan C-N yet).  Ideal attack for long term thinking (Ashes 2017) would be Starc, Pattinson & Hazelwood....with Marsh & Lyon. 

cheers

Mal.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 24, 2016, 03:02:48 pm
I'd agree, i think we are the best team in the world and its because we have the best domestic comp and have more depth...take out its impossible for anyone to beat India on their home soil and
England doctor up their wickets the same to suit their bowlers

I'll be very interested to see if England are quite as interested in doctoring up green tops for their next home series, when Anderson will be gone & Broad will be on his last legs......and we'll have Hazelwood, Starc, Pattinson etc to choose from, all in their prime !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 24, 2016, 04:12:46 pm
It seems the T20 World Cup will be newspapers only in Australia, the local networks have all baulked at paying the huge fees demanded by India's Star Sports channel.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 24, 2016, 05:46:08 pm
It seems the T20 World Cup will be newspapers only in Australia, the local networks have all baulked at paying the huge fees demanded by India's Star Sports channel.

I'll be searching on the Android box International TV channels....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on February 24, 2016, 11:19:55 pm
It seems the T20 World Cup will be newspapers only in Australia, the local networks have all baulked at paying the huge fees demanded by India's Star Sports channel.

Good decision by the local networks. Crap comp that gets ridiculous attention during the Australian summer but is not the type of Cricket that anyone who actually loves the game would hold in any level of esteem.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 25, 2016, 08:11:51 am
Good decision by the local networks. Crap comp that gets ridiculous attention during the Australian summer but is not the type of Cricket that anyone who actually loves the game would hold in any level of esteem.

Possibly, but I always like to support the national team at any level of competition, I barrack for them at the toss of the coin!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on February 25, 2016, 02:36:04 pm
AC 'the new Don' Voges now averaging 95.50.

 8) 8) 8)

Hack!  >:D

Insane numbers those.

And with another 2-0 series win Marsh will get (yet) another reprieve at 6. Plus we don't play tests again until SL away mid this year.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on July 28, 2016, 10:29:30 am
Cricket related, and very funny:

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/streaker-nude-one-week-prison-kandy-australia-sri-lanka-first-test/2016-07-27 (http://www.cricket.com.au/news/streaker-nude-one-week-prison-kandy-australia-sri-lanka-first-test/2016-07-27)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 28, 2016, 10:41:52 am
Cricket related, and very funny:

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/streaker-nude-one-week-prison-kandy-australia-sri-lanka-first-test/2016-07-27 (http://www.cricket.com.au/news/streaker-nude-one-week-prison-kandy-australia-sri-lanka-first-test/2016-07-27)

A week in the slammer!  I guess it seemed a good idea at the time  :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on July 28, 2016, 01:55:08 pm
Must be some wonderful pitch to bat on. Might've been a two day Test if it wasn't for the rain.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 29, 2016, 03:26:19 pm
Let the Lankans right back into the match.  If it ever stops raining this will be a very tight finish.....or we'll capitulate spectacularly.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 06, 2016, 06:17:11 pm
Nice series win 'Lankans, but don't be offended when the first test is in Brisbane and the pitch resembles the 12th at Augusta and the second is in Perth and is described by the groundsman as a "spitting cobra" of a deck...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 06, 2016, 06:23:28 pm
Nice series win 'Lankans, but don't be offended when the first test is in Brisbane and the pitch resembles the 12th at Augusta and the second is in Perth and is described by the groundsman as a "spitting cobra" of a deck...


Yep the spin of the Lankans had us bamboozled but I would expect a different story in Aus where the decks will be greened up and the little Lankans will be ducking for cover...
Maybe we need neutral groundsman to stop the conditioning of wickets to suit the home team... ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 06, 2016, 06:35:53 pm
Another side that seems to lose interest if the ball gets above the knee roll.  Can't believe how well the Aust pace bowlers have been on these &^($($(ed decks, shows their class.  Yet again its the muppets with the bats letting us down.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 06, 2016, 06:57:02 pm
While we are no.1 (or were?) it's very even at the top with no great sides hence home ground advantage is huge. We can't play on the sub continent those sides, outside of the Pakis, can't play outside of it.

We can never replicate their conditions here to practice on it so the only way to counter sub continent conditions is to have a real world class spinner. Although Warne did struggle in India the Indians did not dare through up a dusty 10th day track on the first day hence our pacemen and batsmen could succeed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on August 06, 2016, 07:19:39 pm
We should still be able to account for Sri Lanka Jim... even an average score would have put pressure on their batting line up.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 06, 2016, 08:05:38 pm
We should still be able to account for Sri Lanka Jim... even an average score would have put pressure on their batting line up.

Not necessarily if the track is turning against a team with terrific spinners.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 06, 2016, 08:08:50 pm
Not necessarily if the track is turning against a team with terrific spinners.

What we are seeing is the folly of selecting cross bat hacks who regularly belt the suitcase out of long suffering bowlers on flat track 20/20 or 50 over decks, but can't grind out an innings on a turning test track!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 06, 2016, 08:18:53 pm
What we are seeing is the folly of selecting cross bat hacks who regularly belt the suitcase out of long suffering bowlers on flat track 20/20 or 50 over decks, but can't grind out an innings on a turning test track!

Never going to be good enough anyway on the sub continent. We never get to practice on them. Hence we have no clue how to bat on them. Good reason why we didn't beat India for 35 years in India and couldn't beat the Pakis away for years either. Only way is to have a world class spinner so they don't produce turning dustbowls. No coincidence we won on the sub continent when we had Warne, even then India was hard work.

Remember, those countries have huge trouble outside of the sub continent adapting to bouncier greener pitches that swing and seams, probably barring the Pakis. Pakis had it right producing fast, swinging, reverse swing speedsters to go with their spinners. Allowed them to perform away from the sub continent.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on August 06, 2016, 10:23:19 pm
One of the issues with test cricket is that Australia have been #1 and maybe again soon. Amazing. It makes me wonder if test cricket actually is the main type of cricket in the world.

For ages we have had serious structural problems and yet nothing seems to happen about it.
[1] Batting: we are flat track bullies. Given a flat deck we can flog any attack on the planet. But where are there flat decks? At home? Maybe.
Seriously, our guys do not bat with the idea of building an innings. It is nice to flog an opposition attack, but only if you can pull it off, and we cannot. Managing to bat from behind? You have to be kidding.
[2] Spin bowling: Our incumbent off spinner may have the best numbers of any off spinner in Australian history, but that says something in itself. Aussies have traditionally used leg spinners, yet we have few and none that make a mark. What are we doing wrong? Not preparing pitches that wear. Drop in pitches last.
And do we do enough to promote or train our spinners? Do we do anything? We need to find spinning talent and get the used to bowling in ALL conditions. Especially subcontinental conditions, where they are likely to be required.
[3] Preparation: do we actually do any? Doesn't appear to be the case. You would think that before a tour to ANYWHERE that you would train under those conditions. And play a few warm-up matches. Yet few sides play any more than 1 or 2 warm up matches any more, no matter where they go. That, to me, makes a decent preparation more important, especially for a 'professional' team.
[4] Talent: where are our young cricketers? Something must seriously be done about this. There are a LOT of sports looking for talent now and cricket has to do something to get the talent it requires. They do not have the restrictions that there are in football, yet we do not seem to attract real competitors. Nice one day players, maybe, but not serious, competitive test cricketers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 13, 2016, 05:28:10 pm
First ever 5 game series whitewash.

Selection Rubbish
Captain Rubbish
Fielding Rubbish
All Rounders Rubbish

Team Rubbish
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on October 13, 2016, 05:29:30 pm
First ever 5 game series whitewash.

Selection Rubbish
Captain Rubbish
Fielding Rubbish
All Rounders Rubbish

Team Rubbish

The bowling wasn't great either  ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 13, 2016, 05:31:37 pm
The bowling wasn't great either  ;D

I deliberately omitted the bowling because someone would claim I'm anti-NSW! ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on October 13, 2016, 07:27:25 pm
Nothing quite like it from Australia before. And LP hit some targets: lots of rubbish.
There were a few positives, but consistency of performance, x-factor, team selection and our bowling attack were not among them. A lot of thinking needs to be done before the test series starts, and that is only a few weeks away.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on October 14, 2016, 08:12:57 am
Nothing quite like it from Australia before. And LP hit some targets: lots of rubbish.
There were a few positives, but consistency of performance, x-factor, team selection and our bowling attack were not among them. A lot of thinking needs to be done before the test series starts, and that is only a few weeks away.

1 Shield game before the 1st Test......1 !

pathetic.  And we've got to get our entire bowling attack up & running again in 1 shield game.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on October 14, 2016, 08:24:40 am
You send a 3rd string team of bowlers into a series you get the results you got. Still, more important Hazelwood and Starc prepared for the Test Series. Hopefully we don't prepare flat tracks again this year. Not only are we sick of them it does the team no good when they have to travel.

Didn't expect to win on the sub-continent. Everyone else gets flogged 3-0 over there these days too. England beaten 3-0 by the Pakis, South Africa and New Zealand beaten 3-0 by India, and I assume England will suffer the same fate. It's not just us. By contrast sub-continent sides get flogged when they get out of Asia bar Pakistan. India and Sri Lanka useless outside the sub continent. Ashwin is the all time superstar at home but terrible away. Unless you have real world class spinners the sub-continent pitches will be doctored. You have no way of preparing as we can't simulate those conditions here.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on October 14, 2016, 08:51:08 am
You send a 3rd string team of bowlers into a series you get the results you got. Still, more important Hazelwood and Starc prepared for the Test Series. Hopefully we don't prepare flat tracks again this year. Not only are we sick of them it does the team no good when they have to travel.

First test in Perth, don't know could have some bounce, although that's been sorely missing in recent years......2nd test down my way at Bellerive......but the way things are going here recently it'll be the greenest pitch this side of NZ...if it actually stops raining !!!!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 14, 2016, 09:57:31 am
AS Jim said ..one day cricket only  and we sent a 3rd class bowling lineup...Saffies have rebuilt a bit and are handy at home but I wouldnt be too worried about our prospects for this summer..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on October 14, 2016, 04:58:40 pm
Slightly different topic, but what is going on with the questioning at the coronial inquest for Philip Hughes?  Seems very aggressive and unfair towards the players...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 14, 2016, 05:02:37 pm
Slightly different topic, but what is going on with the questioning at the coronial inquest for Philip Hughes?  Seems very aggressive and unfair towards the players...

Not sure Doug Bollinger would be feeling that great, and probably glad he didnt bowl that fatal ball, we know things get said without malice and we know Doug was only sledging but that would play on your mind...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on October 14, 2016, 05:33:43 pm
Slightly different topic, but what is going on with the questioning at the coronial inquest for Philip Hughes?  Seems very aggressive and unfair towards the players...

Are they telling fibs?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on October 14, 2016, 05:57:57 pm
I'm surprised the Coroner inquest would actually be talking this much about sledging. They think it's a new thing?

Always be interesting stuff said a cricket pitch in the name of getting a mental advantage. We just rarely hear it. Remember Clarke telling Anderson what Mitchell Johnson was going to do to his arm, think it was "going to fkn break it".
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on October 14, 2016, 07:44:29 pm
I'm surprised the Coroner inquest would actually be talking this much about sledging. They think it's a new thing?

Always be interesting stuff said a cricket pitch in the name of getting a mental advantage. We just rarely hear it. Remember Clarke telling Anderson what Mitchell Johnson was going to do to his arm, think it was "going to fkn break it".

The SC assisting the coroner has urged that the sledging discussion be ignored and, with the exception of the Hughes family, there's furious agreement that nothing about the play, tactics, sledging, etc contributed to the death.

The family seems to be desperate to blame someone, and that's understandable.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on October 14, 2016, 08:40:03 pm
The SC assisting the coroner has urged that the sledging discussion be ignored and, with the exception of the Hughes family, there's furious agreement that nothing about the play, tactics, sledging, etc contributed to the death.

The family seems to be desperate to blame someone, and that's understands

I agree with that... but have the players been telling fibs?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Micky0 on October 14, 2016, 08:52:46 pm
The SC assisting the coroner has urged that the sledging discussion be ignored and, with the exception of the Hughes family, there's furious agreement that nothing about the play, tactics, sledging, etc contributed to the death.

The family seems to be desperate to blame someone, and that's understandable.
completely disagree - anyone playing on that day would be forever effected - what exactly is the point of bringing all this up?

Does anyone actually believe people went out that day to kill Hughes?! I 100% doubt it!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 04, 2016, 08:10:46 am
Well...day one of the Test summer......certainly went pear shaped for the Saffers.  Starc didn't bowl that I thought & still got 4....looks like he's inherited Johnsons happy knack !

Pretty poor batting from SAF, on a pitch that really should have been a belter to bad on again.  A little bounce, but no sideways movement to speak of.  As an ex fast bowlers I love watching great quick ply their trade no matter where they're from (even sometimes if it's against us !).....and on that score I was pretty disappointed in Steyns performance.  A bloke with that much experience & talent falling into the trap of bowling too short at the WACA is unforgivable....and he payed the price.  One thing about Steyn though, he quite often looks ordinary & disinterested in one spell......and can then rip the heart out a lineup a session later.  This mornings first hour will be huge.  The game is almost already gone for SAF...unless they can pull off a miracle, or bat for a couple of days to force a draw...which is very possible in Perth.

cheers

Mal.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 04, 2016, 08:42:27 am
Still four days to go and the side needs another quality RH bat. Neither Marsh convincing, Siddle role player at best until injured strike bowlers get fit.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 04, 2016, 08:49:57 am
Still four days to go and the side needs another quality RH bat. Neither Marsh convincing, Siddle role player at best until injured strike bowlers get fit.

Harsh on the Marsh lads.....

The SA batters are just as questionable, Amla aside.....distinct lack of quality imo. Noting the missing gun!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 04, 2016, 04:25:45 pm
We took the foot off the throat of SA in the middle sessions yesterday, that is going to bite us on the ar5e today, we may be behind on the 1st innings, our lot looking very shaky.

Pretty much over the reign of Smith, great cricketer, seems like a nice bloke, but a super crap test captain! He only has one trick, he has to make a lot of runs himself with his dodgy batting technique or he offers nothing!

Selectors have lost the plot, not only are the Marsh's keeping others out of test spots they shouldn't even be getting a Shield run IMHO! They are the Andrejs Everitt's of test Cricket!

This teams needs a new Mark "Tubby" Taylor type leader, a bloke who leads with class regardless of his own form.

The selection needs to be far more brutal, bring back Border!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 04, 2016, 04:28:33 pm
You were saying Fly?  Time to play a BATSMAN at six, not some faux all rounder.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 04, 2016, 04:30:10 pm
You were saying Fly?  Time to play a BATSMAN at six, not some faux all rounder.

 :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 04, 2016, 05:15:28 pm
Shaping up as a good test match... isn't that what we want?

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 04, 2016, 05:45:09 pm
screw I hate Australian batsmen; 

Getting out LBW suggests significant technical issues.

Find ways to get out to c-grade spinners.

Find ways to get out in the last over before breaks.

Can't use the review system with any sense of intelligence.

Our bowlers break down so often because they carry these worthless muppets.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 04, 2016, 06:21:35 pm
Simply pathetic effort once again by the muppets with bats.

Neville is a tidy keeper but he needs to make runs when it counts.  Wade is not the tidiest keeper but has made test and shield runs under pressure.  We can't continue with a middle order of Voges- M. Marsh-Neville... its as reliable as a Styrofoam spaceship.

Too often this side is 5 out all out.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 04, 2016, 07:36:09 pm
Simply pathetic effort once again by the muppets with bats.

Neville is a tidy keeper but he needs to make runs when it counts.  Wade is not the tidiest keeper but has made test and shield runs under pressure.  We can't continue with a middle order of Voges- M. Marsh-Neville... its as reliable as a Styrofoam spaceship.

Too often this side is 5 out all out.
Yes. Our batsmen are really letting the side down.
Voges has fallen very swiftly: only a year ago he had an average of about 100. It must be almost halved by now. That is a pity, but has had a bad trot.
Mitch Marsh shouldn't be there. he is an OK bowler, but his batting is not up to test cricket standards. And telling him to make a hundred (when he hasn't made one yet) or get dropped is only going to make him fail. He should not be in the top 6: he doesn't have the runs (literally) on the board.
Nevill hasn't gone on with his batting: it has gone backwards with the lack of support from the other middle order players. He is an excellent keeper, but you need to be more now.
Steve Smith: I know he was given out very dubiously, but his idea of a Captain's Innings at the moment appears to be running down the pitch and then changing his mind. He is not batting smartly.
Khuwaja I don't think is quite up to it. I hope he proves me wrong, but I doubt it.

As for our bowlers, injuries have really made a difference. Starc has done pretty well and so have a couple of others, but we appear to lack venom. Siddle is a great warrior, but he is not quick enough now to be really dangerous.
As for spin, Lyon is OK, but he isn't a match winner. He is probably the best off-spinner going around at the moment, and he has got more wickets than any of the previous offies, but he is just not in the class of some of the other spinners going around.
Nor are we likely to produce many class spinners: most Australian wickets don't wear enough to encourage spinners. Even great spinners struggle here because the drop-in wickets don't wear.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 04, 2016, 09:40:49 pm
What makes it worse is that the Saffies are a very average unit IMO....Steyn got injured and we got fired out by no name bowlers and Philander who bowls at 130k...Mitch Marsh played outside a straight one thats how well he is going....
Need to rebuild the middle order and also replace Siddle...Pattinson is who we need but he cant stay on the park so we need another quick who can...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Thryleon on November 04, 2016, 10:33:30 pm
It's not a summer of cricket without a middle order collapse.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 04, 2016, 10:38:35 pm
It's not a summer of cricket without a middle order collapse.

 :))

It's not an Aussie test match without a middle order collapse  :)

Actually, it wasn't a middle order collapse, it was a full-blown collapse; 10 for 86  :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 05, 2016, 06:32:39 pm
What makes it worse is that the Saffies are a very average unit IMO....Steyn got injured and we got fired out by no name bowlers and Philander who bowls at 130k...Mitch Marsh played outside a straight one thats how well he is going....
Need to rebuild the middle order and also replace Siddle...Pattinson is who we need but he cant stay on the park so we need another quick who can...

Our three third quicks are all injured or returning from injury. Cummins, Pattinson and Coulter-Nile. Either would make a huge difference. Hendriques or Stoinis to replace Marsh. Bowls well but can't afford a number 6 to keep making SFA. Happy to keep with Khawaja as he just had a bad innings but might need to replace Voges given he seem to have done a hamstring.

I saw the first day as I have been in Perth, just got home now. Australia was as dominate as one side could be. Bowlers were outstanding getting them out for 242, then 0/105, Warner was brilliant and S.Marsh was a gutsy as any opener could be. Survived real difficulties and made 63. Could not have imagined we'd be in this position after day 1.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 05, 2016, 06:46:47 pm
Yes. Our batsmen are really letting the side down.
Voges has fallen very swiftly: only a year ago he had an average of about 100. It must be almost halved by now. That is a pity, but has had a bad trot.
Mitch Marsh shouldn't be there. he is an OK bowler, but his batting is not up to test cricket standards. And telling him to make a hundred (when he hasn't made one yet) or get dropped is only going to make him fail. He should not be in the top 6: he doesn't have the runs (literally) on the board.
Nevill hasn't gone on with his batting: it has gone backwards with the lack of support from the other middle order players. He is an excellent keeper, but you need to be more now.
Steve Smith: I know he was given out very dubiously, but his idea of a Captain's Innings at the moment appears to be running down the pitch and then changing his mind. He is not batting smartly.
Khuwaja I don't think is quite up to it. I hope he proves me wrong, but I doubt it.

As for our bowlers, injuries have really made a difference. Starc has done pretty well and so have a couple of others, but we appear to lack venom. Siddle is a great warrior, but he is not quick enough now to be really dangerous.
As for spin, Lyon is OK, but he isn't a match winner. He is probably the best off-spinner going around at the moment, and he has got more wickets than any of the previous offies, but he is just not in the class of some of the other spinners going around.
Nor are we likely to produce many class spinners: most Australian wickets don't wear enough to encourage spinners. Even great spinners struggle here because the drop-in wickets don't wear.

i'll ignore sub continent form and no-one outside of sub-continent coutries go any good there. So  Iwon't judge Khawaja or Voges yet after one innings this summer as there other form stood right up before. M.Marsh is the one that is hurt the batting as we have not steadiness right in that middle if we lose a couple.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on November 05, 2016, 09:02:56 pm
Our three third quicks are all injured or returning from injury. Cummins, Pattinson and Coulter-Nile. Either would make a huge difference. Hendriques or Stoinis to replace Marsh. Bowls well but can't afford a number 6 to keep making SFA. Happy to keep with Khawaja as he just had a bad innings but might need to replace Voges given he seem to have done a hamstring.

I saw the first day as I have been in Perth, just got home now. Australia was as dominate as one side could be. Bowlers were outstanding getting them out for 242, then 0/105, Warner was brilliant and S.Marsh was a gutsy as any opener could be. Survived real difficulties and made 63. Could not have imagined we'd be in this position after day 1.
I'm done with Pattinson Jim, I reckon he's a bust, injuries cruelled him :(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 05, 2016, 09:08:58 pm
The Saffies batted right through the day and, presumably, that would have been their objective in the morning.  Even with Steyn gone, they would have to be clear favourites now  :(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 05, 2016, 09:16:49 pm
Bowled their guts out with zero luck, although Starc still bowls too much crap.  Lyon should have bowled more.

Big no to Henriques, bowling not good enough, saffies with slay him.

I'd be looking at Maxwell in the mid order (plus a few overs) and Chad Sayers as a different bowling option, especially in an Adelaide test.

I've always liked Maddinson but one go hard LH opener is probably enough.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 05, 2016, 10:10:57 pm
Bowled their guts out with zero luck, although Starc still bowls too much crap.  Lyon should have bowled more.

Big no to Henriques, bowling not good enough, saffies with slay him.

I'd be looking at Maxwell in the mid order (plus a few overs) and Chad Sayers as a different bowling option, especially in an Adelaide test.

I've always liked Maddinson but one go hard LH opener is probably enough.

Need to get De Kock out early or we will be chasing 450, can see him dining out on our tired attack...agree on Maxwell, got some X factor, fields well and can break partnerships.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 12:58:02 pm
Bowled their guts out with zero luck, although Starc still bowls too much crap.  Lyon should have bowled more.

Big no to Henriques, bowling not good enough, saffies with slay him.

I'd be looking at Maxwell in the mid order (plus a few overs) and Chad Sayers as a different bowling option, especially in an Adelaide test.

I've always liked Maddinson but one go hard LH opener is probably enough.

Hendriques would be in to bat no.6 an bowl 10 overs or so. Other option is Stoinis, who could fill no.6 and well pretty well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 06, 2016, 01:53:04 pm
Listening to Ian Chappell hand out advice about swing bowling today.

Make sure your kids or grand children ignore everything he says, he has it exactly wrong and completely back to front as coached by great exponents of swing like Lillee, Hadley, Dev, Khan, Massie, Trueman, Botham, Fleming, Alderman and Dodemaide.

If you are a swing bowler you always get as close to the stumps as possible and release the ball down the line of the stumps! That  will  maximise any available movements yet leaves the ball pitching in line if there is no swing!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 06, 2016, 01:56:39 pm
Hendriques would be in to bat no.6 an bowl 10 overs or so. Other option is Stoinis, who could fill no.6 and well pretty well.

you're all forgetting the best option - James Faulkner come on down.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 02:24:05 pm
Can't believe the crap I am watching. I sat under the Prindiville Stand and was the Aussies really smack them senseless on the first day. What the hell has happened to be in this position.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 06, 2016, 02:31:01 pm
Can't believe the crap I am watching. I sat under the Prindiville Stand and was the Aussies really smack them senseless on the first day. What the hell has happened to be in this position.

Smith is not a test captain, he has absolutely no idea about how to use a field to apply pressure to a batsmen. It's like he is setting ever field to play for a draw!

Further, as much as I like Starc when he is on, he is a front runner which in my view makes him a a great support bowler but not a leader of an attack. Good bowlers are good bowlers in all conditions, only Lyon and Siddle come close to being test standard. We are sadly lacking with the likes of Pattinson and Cummins out injured, we have a team full of support bowlers operating to scores built by erratic batsmen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 06, 2016, 02:36:34 pm
Smith is not a test captain, he has absolutely no idea about how to use a field to apply pressure to a batsmen. It's like he is setting ever field to play for a draw!d up

Further, as much as I like Starc when he is on, he is a front runner which in my view makes him a a great support bowler but not a leader of an attack. Good bowlers are good bowlers in all conditions, only Lyon and Siddle come close to being test standard. We are sadly lacking with the likes of Pattinson and Cummins out injured, we have a team full of support bowlers operating to scores built by erratic batsmen.

Smith was installed simply to continue the NSW dynasty.....that said, who else has really stood up? And i was not a fan of Clarke!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 06, 2016, 02:47:20 pm
Smith was installed simply to continue the NSW dynasty.....that said, who else has really stood up? And i was not a fan of Clarke!

When we start selecting players on form we will be able to carry a bloke who is a great captain but not necessarily a great cricketer. Bailey is a prime example, his captaincy is probably worth a century relative to Smith's.

But longer term there is a real problem, as our shield teams are full of blokes who make their reputation in 20/20.

Those of us old enough will know how big of a rabble Australia was until Simpson returned as captain and what a huge difference he made to the team's performance!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 02:53:01 pm
Smith is not a test captain, he has absolutely no idea about how to use a field to apply pressure to a batsmen. It's like he is setting ever field to play for a draw!

Further, as much as I like Starc when he is on, he is a front runner which in my view makes him a a great support bowler but not a leader of an attack. Good bowlers are good bowlers in all conditions, only Lyon and Siddle come close to being test standard. We are sadly lacking with the likes of Pattinson and Cummins out injured, we have a team full of support bowlers operating to scores built by erratic batsmen.

Starc did bowl brilliantly in Sri Lanka. Led the attack on unfavourable spinning pitches. Was an absolute gun and leader there. Look forward to Cummins finally getting fit. Once he's fit Siddle will be gone. I'd have played Bird ahead of Siddle.

As for the captaincy jury is still out on Smith. I did notice in Sri Lanka though, albeit in the one day series, how Australia completely turned things around once Warner took over the captaincy.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: bratblue on November 06, 2016, 02:55:43 pm


Further, as much as I like Starc when he is on, he is a front runner which in my view makes him a a great support bowler but not a leader of an attack. Good bowlers are good bowlers in all conditions, only Lyon and Siddle come close to being test standard. We are sadly lacking with the likes of Pattinson and Cummins out injured, we have a team full of support bowlers operating to scores built by erratic batsmen.

Starc lost it when he went the short ball at the start of the SA second innings. He looked like he was pissed off with the batsmen and decided to do what he liked.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 02:58:21 pm
Smith was installed simply to continue the NSW dynasty.....that said, who else has really stood up? And i was not a fan of Clarke!

Actually thought Clarke was an outstanding captain, one of the best 3 I've seen in my lifetime, Ian Chappell, Mark Taylor and Michael Clarke (I was around for Richie Benaud when he was captain but too young). 3 blokes with the rare ability to think ahead of the game. Clarke was given a a side that was pile of crap when installed and took them to no.1. Was most impressed when Warner took over the one day side in Sri Lanka. Looked like we really lifted a cog.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 02:59:29 pm
Starc lost it when he went the short ball at the start of the SA second innings. He looked like he was pissed off with the batsmen and decided to do what he liked.

Same error Steyn made in our first innings with the new ball. It was a new ball pitch at the time, which become easier as the ball got older.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 03:02:01 pm
When we start selecting players on form we will be able to carry a bloke who is a great captain but not necessarily a great cricketer. Bailey is a prime example, his captaincy is probably worth a century relative to Smith's.

But longer term there is a real problem, as our shield teams are full of blokes who make their reputation in 20/20.

Those of us old enough will know how big of a rabble Australia was until Simpson returned as captain and what a huge difference he made to the team's performance!

Simpson returned as captain when the World Series Cricket spilt started.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 06, 2016, 04:07:22 pm
Bit harsh on Starc... had a significant injury and little preparation for this test.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 06, 2016, 05:22:46 pm
And warner runs himself out, crap me our test side is full of deadset retards.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 06, 2016, 05:29:29 pm
Bit harsh on Starc... had a significant injury and little preparation for this test.

Should not have been picked.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 06, 2016, 05:29:59 pm
I liked Michael Clark's commentary;

"This game depends on Warner and Smith, if they can bat all day Australia will win!"

NSWelshman telling us NSWelshman can win an impossible test, I wonder what he thinks after Warner ran himself out?

Then he exits the commentary box saying,

"In next Shane Warne and The Great Michael Slater!"

FFS, they are killing the game in this country! The NSWelshman are making nepotists look like a meritocracy! Next thing they'll be renaming the NRL the World Series!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 06, 2016, 05:53:11 pm
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Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2016, 08:15:33 am
This loss might be the loss we needed to get NSW off Australian crickets throat!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 08, 2016, 09:22:49 am
Can we just get some fresh blood into the team!!!!???

Nic Maddinson
Kurtis Patterson
Marcus Stoinis
Cam Bancroft
Peter Handscomb
Jake Lehmann
Ashton Agar

They'll be others too!

Forget Glenn Maxwell.

I'd be making the steady Peter Nevill vice-captain ASAP.

Out: Voges, S.Marsh (inj), Siddle.

I'd keep Mitch Marsh in and bat him at 7 or 8, with someone like Stoinis is also as another medium pacer.

I just think, let's rebuild/reboot, somewhat, with a bunch of younger blokes together.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 08, 2016, 09:26:53 am
Cricket Australia, in its wisdom, named a squad for the first two tests; no changes for the second test  ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2016, 10:10:27 am
S. Marsh broken finger, won't play
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 08, 2016, 10:13:19 am
S. Marsh broken finger, won't play

Ferguson and Burns have been added to the squad.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2016, 11:10:26 am
Ok S. Marsh is injured, Burns replaces him.

Siddle has been a mighty warrior but M. Marsh plays the plug it up role. I'd play a more dynamic dealer like Chad Sayers or Faulkner.

I'd also give o' Keefe a chance, Lyon has been found out. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 08, 2016, 11:22:43 am
Ok S. Marsh is injured, Burns replaces him.

Siddle has been a mighty warrior but M. Marsh plays the plug it up role. I'd play a more dynamic dealer like Chad Sayers or Faulkner.

I'd also give o' Keefe a chance, Lyon has been found out.

Agree on Faulkner....we are also missing Johnsons batting at no 8...although Falkner isnt quick and I feel we need another strike bowler with genuine pace....
Siddle doesnt do enough with the ball at his now reduced pace....
Our middle order lacks players with technique..Rabada is a good young colt who swings the ball and as we know our blokes cant play swing at all, once he started reverse swinging the ball  we were
in trouble...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 08, 2016, 11:39:33 am
Need to look at positions 5 and 6. They are falling too quickly putting us under pressure. Nos 1, 3 and 4 are solid enough just need support further down to stiffen the batting line up. Be interesting to see how Ferguson goes as i'm guessing Voges will be out injured. I'd be looking at Stoinis at no.6 to bat and add 10 overs. Look forward to when our quicks are fit to join Hazelwood and Starc. Love Cummins to be fit. Starc, Cummins an Hazelwood would be a world class line up. Being stronger at 5 and 6 together with a full fast bowling line up  would takes us back close to no.1 again. Essentially it's just a few players different from being crap and strong.  As for the spinner wonder in Lyon is still the or do we use O'Keefe, who was going just as well and a much better batsman.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 08, 2016, 12:37:05 pm
Ok S. Marsh is injured, Burns replaces him.

Siddle has been a mighty warrior but M. Marsh plays the plug it up role. I'd play a more dynamic dealer like Chad Sayers or Faulkner.

I'd also give o' Keefe a chance, Lyon has been found out.

Has Lyon been found out or not given enough opportunity?
Steve's Smiths best mate is.....O'Keefe
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 08, 2016, 12:41:40 pm
Siddle now injured as well.....so much for the "this is the 12 & that's an end of it" approach.  They'll be forced to make at least two changes now, and that's a good thing.

Hopefully someone in form like a Sayers gets brought in for Siddle (he completely outbowled Mennie in the last Shield match).

Sadly, they will be lucky to get 3 days play in to stake their claim...which will be interesting when it comes to the selections for the final test with a win required to level it up !



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 08, 2016, 12:47:32 pm
Apart from Warner, all of our batsmen are flat-track bullies who have continually had the flaws in their techniques found out on moving decks and ball.

Time for the selectors to start blooding some young stars of the future and dispense with these non-performing name brands.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2016, 12:49:46 pm
Has Lyon been found out or not given enough opportunity?
Steve's Smiths best mate is.....O'Keefe
Lyon is being disrespected, he's earned the right to be first choice and if nothing else is consistent 200+ wicket taker. The media like to scapegoat him, but they should be thanking Lyon for putting in with a team full of spud batsmen who fail to give him a useful target to defend!

It's too easy for those batting dropkicks to be blaming the No.11 for not sticking around, or the bowlers for not taking 10 wickets for 200 runs! Lyon and the others are just a scapegoat covering for the failures of Marsh, Smith, Warner, etc., etc.!

If I was the Coach/Team Manager the first thing I'd ban is night-watchmen and I'd tell the batsmen to harden the feck up, stop the finger-pointing and if not then piss off to the IPL!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 08, 2016, 12:53:23 pm
James Faulkner is the one I'd play. He is a born Test cricketer IMO, and I said as much a few years ago,

He'll plug up an end when bowling as a medium/fast and bat well (and with grit and intent) at 7 or 8.

Reckon Agar is a special talent and I'd really like to give him a crack, but he needs more top notch numbers. O'Keefe and Holland are other spin options.

Longing for a decent leggie....!!!!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2016, 12:59:50 pm
Longing for a decent leggie....!!!!

Many of us have watched the career of Warne the greatest spinner ever, hands down nobody is his equal.

We cannot afford to judge potential players by what we have seen during the Warne era, so subjective terms like "decent" need careful consideration!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 08, 2016, 01:03:48 pm
Lyon is being disrespected, he's earned the right to be first choice and if nothing else is consistent 200+ wicket taker. The media like to scapegoat him, but they should be thanking Lyon for putting in with a team full of spud batsmen who fail to give him a useful target to defend!

It's too easy for those batting dropkicks to be blaming the No.11 for not sticking around, or the bowlers for not taking 10 wickets for 200 runs! Lyon and the others are just a scapegoat covering for the failures of Marsh, Smith, Warner, etc., etc.!

If I was the Coach/Team Manager the first thing I'd ban is night-watchmen and I'd tell the batsmen to harden the feck up, stop the finger-pointing and if not then piss off to the IPL!

Lyon even moved to play for NSW, and I still think he is going to get shafted!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2016, 01:06:44 pm
With the DRS in use last match Warne would have taken 1500 wickets.  Crikey, talk about one side getting the rub of the green....

I'd play Steve O'Keefe... as a left hander turning the ball away from the RHers he is a slightly more attacking option.  He has been a bloody good shield player for a long, long time.

Zampa is no mug either.

If we want a few overs of off spin to break it up we could look at Maxwell.  The problem is that none of our current bats really offer much in the part time bowling department, except for Smith who has lost faith in himself as a bowler.

I really like Siddle but we need a bowler with more penetration.  Unless there is a point of difference eg height or moves the ball a lot there isn't much call for blokes that trundles it down at 130 kph.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 08, 2016, 01:07:57 pm
James Faulkner is the one I'd play. He is a born Test cricketer IMO, and I said as much a few years ago,

He'll plug up an end when bowling as a medium/fast and bat well (and with grit and intent) at 7 or 8.

Reckon Agar is a special talent and I'd really like to give him a crack, but he needs more top notch numbers. O'Keefe and Holland are other spin options.

Longing for a decent leggie....!!!!

Faulkner behind two genuine quicks would work....not convinced Hazelwood is a No 2 bowler, batters do get a hold of him and he doesnt have the genuine pace to worry good players
on good wickets..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: shadesy on November 08, 2016, 01:14:38 pm
Faulkner behind two genuine quicks would work....not convinced Hazelwood is a No 2 bowler, batters do get a hold of him and he doesnt have the genuine pace to worry good players
on good wickets..

Problem is Faulkner is not good enough for a 3rd seamer or bat 6 IMO.

What me need is Handscomb to bat in the top 6 allowing a Faulkner or Marsh to come in at 7 or 8.

A Keeper in the top 6 can give the team the flexibility it needs.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2016, 01:22:03 pm
Lyon even moved to play for NSW, and I still think he is going to get shafted!

Moving to play for NSW won't make you a NSWelshman if they have a local alternative, we've seen that happen time and time again.

Moving to NSW would leave him with only NSWelshman to defend his spot, good luck with that!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 08, 2016, 01:28:46 pm
Problem is Faulkner is not good enough for a 3rd seamer or bat 6 IMO.

What me need is Handscomb to bat in the top 6 allowing a Faulkner or Marsh to come in at 7 or 8.

A Keeper in the top 6 can give the team the flexibility it needs.

Batting at 6...No from me too, reckon his bowling is ok but he needs two very good quicks opening the attack.....
Marsh...one day player only, zero technique, that LBW to Philander in the 1st innings was woeful...bowling is handy only...
Handscomb is a good cricketer with a good technique......prefer my keeper at No 7 though and a bowling allrounder at 8 ie Faulkner.
Not fully convinced about Nevill either...he is no DeKock with the bat ...
Aus have always had this allrounder fetish to find ourselves a Botham to play at No 6...tried for years with Watson to no avail and seem destined to keep trying with M. Marsh..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 08, 2016, 02:06:16 pm

Aus have always had this allrounder fetish to find ourselves a Botham to play at No 6...tried for years with Watson to no avail and seem destined to keep trying with M. Marsh..

That is the issue....it was re-inforced when Flintoff did the job on the Aussies in 2005 as well.  Trouble is, he was an elite fast bowlers who was good enough to bat at #6.  We cannot keep trying bit part players who could not get a gig at one or the other.  Gilchrist didn't even bat at 6 in his career....and he was the one keeper who could have.  But how devastating for the opposition was it for him to listed at #7 !!!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: shadesy on November 08, 2016, 02:19:39 pm
Batting at 6...No from me too, reckon his bowling is ok but he needs two very good quicks opening the attack.....
Marsh...one day player only, zero technique, that LBW to Philander in the 1st innings was woeful...bowling is handy only...
Handscomb is a good cricketer with a good technique......prefer my keeper at No 7 though and a bowling allrounder at 8 ie Faulkner.
Not fully convinced about Nevill either...he is no DeKock with the bat ...
Aus have always had this allrounder fetish to find ourselves a Botham to play at No 6...tried for years with Watson to no avail and seem destined to keep trying with M. Marsh..

Sangakarra, DeVillers, Bairstow... get a batsmen Keeper and it gives you flexibility at 7 and 8 IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 08, 2016, 02:22:15 pm
Problem is Faulkner is not good enough for a 3rd seamer or bat 6 IMO.

What me need is Handscomb to bat in the top 6 allowing a Faulkner or Marsh to come in at 7 or 8.

A Keeper in the top 6 can give the team the flexibility it needs.

Wouldn't bat Faulkner at 6, though he is not that type anyway.

He's a bowling all-rounder.

Reckon a bowling all-rounder such as Faulkner and a batting all-rounder would be handy.

I had thought of Handscomb to keep/bat at 6 too, but that's a big leap.

This obsession with the all-rounder having to bat at 6 is ridiculous. We are stuck back in the old days.

Can Nevill bat at 6 with support from even 2-3 decent bowling all-rounder types to come in behind him?

Problem could be we get quite thin on for bowling, though we are on struggle street anyway.

Example...

6. P.Nevill / P.Handscomb (wk)
7. M.Stoinis / M.Marsh
8. J.Faulkner
9. M.Starc
10. J.Hazlewood
11. N.Lyon
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2016, 06:28:51 pm
I like that side, plenty of options plus 1. Blokes that really want it and 2. Surprise factor.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 08, 2016, 06:41:10 pm
Problem is Faulkner is not good enough for a 3rd seamer or bat 6 IMO.

What me need is Handscomb to bat in the top 6 allowing a Faulkner or Marsh to come in at 7 or 8.

A Keeper in the top 6 can give the team the flexibility it needs.

Yes, I can see that too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 08, 2016, 06:43:55 pm
Faulkner behind two genuine quicks would work....not convinced Hazelwood is a No 2 bowler, batters do get a hold of him and he doesnt have the genuine pace to worry good players
on good wickets..

Hopefully that'll sort by season's end. Cummins would have to have a change of luck at some stage. Changes the whole dynamic.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 08, 2016, 06:50:09 pm
Apart from Warner, all of our batsmen are flat-track bullies who have continually had the flaws in their techniques found out on moving decks and ball.

Time for the selectors to start blooding some young stars of the future and dispense with these non-performing name brands.

More the problem is flat decks is they've been dished up the last couple of years. Don't get any chance to play on moving decks. Until we do then we'll have difficulty.

Sub continent spinning decks I've given up on. No-one is winning, we're not the only one's. there's just no way to practice in those conditions. Unless you have a world class spinner, making sub continent countries think twice about serving up dirty, dusty diabolical turners, we, nor anyone else will win there.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 11, 2016, 01:22:43 pm
Went for stroll around the Hobart waterfront in my lunch hour today, glorious cricket conditions, 18 or 19, sunny with some clouds, slight southeasterly off the river.  Perfect, and has been for 3 days. 

I'm telling you this so that when you tune into try to watch/listen/follow the first day tomorrow, and the next probably....and see the weather that has been dished up, you don't think that this cr@p is what is "normal" !!

cheers

Mal.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 11:25:56 am
Morale shot, sent in on a green deck.... All out for 40 I reckon.

Voges has to go, simply no idea against decent bowling.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gointocarlton on November 12, 2016, 11:46:15 am
5/16, we are officially a laughing stock.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 11:48:32 am
Abbott..  GET OFF THE FING PITCH OR YOU'LL GET RUN THROUGH AS WELL.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 12, 2016, 12:07:13 pm
Since the lad Hughes got killed it's fecked up the heads of our lot!

They cannot distinguish between cause and effect, and accident and an action. Crap as it was, the kid could have stumbled on the way out to the pitch and hit his head on the fence and been killed. Or he could have slipped in the shower at the hotel while getting ready for the game.

Boof has been through this, he was a shadow of himself after Hooke's death!

We need a clean sweep, players, coaches, managers, administrators, etc., etc.. They are never going to be any good, it's over for this lot!

Weather permitting you might find SA making +350 on the same pitch, close the door, turn out the lights, and hand the keys back Australian cricket is dead!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 12:16:55 pm
Is there some rule that says that any Australia hit on the pad is automatically LBW?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 12, 2016, 12:24:07 pm
Is there some rule that says that any Australia hit on the pad is automatically LBW?

The problem is the lack of bat!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 01:54:41 pm
Our blokes try to pick up the ball early and commit to playing a line. Works on flat pitches but any movement and they're shot.  Watch the Voges dismissal... Commits early and made no allowance for any variation and a soft, soft dismissal.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 06:04:45 pm
Can't see Mennie playing a lot of tests, doesn't look like a wicket taker... Lack penetration and doesn't move it around.  How he got a game before Sayers or Bird, well only Marsh knows, because I don't see it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 12, 2016, 06:44:36 pm
So, any reason we selected we selected Mennie ahead of Bird, especially on a green deck in Hobart?

We need a new no.5. Wondering too if we need a keeper who can make runs, maybe Handscomb. As far as the bowling goes we can't wait until the likes of Cummins etc...are fit. Lyon looks out of form too. O'Keefe would bowl just as well as bat alot better.

We also need our batsmen not to don't do dumb things. Warner has been wonderful for Australia but WTF was he thinking slashing like that in the first over.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gointocarlton on November 12, 2016, 06:54:54 pm
So, any reason we selected we selected Mennie ahead of Bird, especially on a green deck in Hobart?

We need a new no.5. Wondering too if we need a keeper who can make runs, maybe Handscomb. As far as the bowling goes we can't wait until the likes of Cummins etc...are fit. Lyon looks out of form too. O'Keefe would bowl just as well as bat alot better.

We also need our batsmen not to don't do dumb things. Warner has been wonderful for Australia but WTF was he thinking slashing like that in the first over.
Our batsman have no clue how to dig in and just stay out in the middle. They do stupid stuff trying to win a test match in the first 50 overs. Its like racing car drivers who tangle at the first corner of a 300km race. Just stupid.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 07:08:20 pm
Mennie..... Another WTF entry in the Rod Marsh selection roll of horror.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 12, 2016, 07:33:00 pm
Mennie..... Another WTF entry in the Rod Marsh selection roll of horror.

Yep. doesnt do much with the ball and isnt overly quick either....need to get DeKock out early tomorrow or I can see him slaying our attack for plenty...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on November 12, 2016, 07:47:19 pm
Warner's ok.  He would play the same shot to the same ball in the same situation and hit a 4. We wouldn't complain about that.   The flat decks are for one day and 20/20 cricket.  Most shield games get a result and there aren't many getting 100's amd 50's consistently.   We just don't have the talent and or application.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 12, 2016, 08:36:28 pm
Warner's ok.  He would play the same shot to the same ball in the same situation and hit a 4. We wouldn't complain about that.   The flat decks are for one day and 20/20 cricket.  Most shield games get a result and there aren't many getting 100's amd 50's consistently.   We just don't have the talent and or application.

Seems a little contradictory!

I think we would complain, because he makes 200 in one innings and feck all in the next 3 or 4, so we win one test in grand style then lose the series!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on November 13, 2016, 09:35:14 am
102 innings, 16 100s and 22 50s suggests that's not right.  There is a lot of talk about who isn't performing, but not much about who is beating the door down to come into the team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 13, 2016, 10:34:06 am
102 innings, 16 100s and 22 50s suggests that's not right.  There is a lot of talk about who isn't performing, but not much about who is beating the door down to come into the team.

Yeah we know his averages, but 20 run innings off 9 balls face and out seems to be a common thread in the other 62% of innings. Great for 20/20 not so good for test cricket!

I recall the Nov media about in the build up to this summer, the main thread was time for Warner and Smith to step up! It's not an opinion built on stats!

I'd contend their careers so far are mostly like a 30 or 40 possession game from Tutt, in the stats and in the votes but mostly worthless!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 13, 2016, 11:57:26 am
Warner's failures seem worse because he and Smith are the only blokes in the team who can hold a bat. 
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Post by: sandsmere on November 13, 2016, 12:30:54 pm
LP, you obviously don't like Warner.
Who would you put in his place?
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Post by: LP on November 13, 2016, 12:33:21 pm
Warner's failures seem worse because he and Smith are the only blokes in the team who can hold a bat.

They can hold a bat there is no doubt about that, when they are on they a spectacular, but even then it is often cross bat! ;)

Slogging isn't good cricket, unconventional is OK in small doses and a team can carry one or two, but we now have a large portion of our batting list that plays like Rodney Marsh played! I'd rather some Boof Leahman type batsmen, more traditional guys who can grind an innings out and not worry about scoring at a strike rate of 150, hopefully some with a straight bat!

What's the problem with Warner, Smith and others like them, after all they score heaps of runs? The main problem is they don't turn the strike over, they absorb heaps of deliveries punctuated by spectacular boundaries and leave their batting partner stranded at the other end starved for strike for extended periods, then if the boundaries do not come they often run themselves or their partner out!

Turning over the strike is key to keeping the bowlers off balance, it's the tactic that works in any conditions not just on flat track batting strips!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 13, 2016, 12:48:06 pm
LP, you obviously don't like Warner.
Who would you put in his place?

It's not that I don't like Warner, but we seem to be obsessed with picking blokes who on their day belt the pill out of the park. But that is almost irrelevant for test cricket. Proponents of Warner and Smith will argue they score so quickly they take the games away from the opponent in a session or a day, yet our recent record suggests otherwise despite both of them having periods of heavy run scoring. That is because tests go for five days, and no matter how many runs you score quickly if you leave the opponent time and overs they will generally get  the better of you!

For traditional followers of cricket, no matter how many runs players like Smith and Warner make, it stabs at your heart because they often throw away their wicket and that has an effect on the team! We need blokes who will occupy the crease, I'd be looking at younger types who don't throw their wicket away like Handscomb, Harris and Dean.
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Post by: laj on November 13, 2016, 07:13:12 pm
It's not that I don't like Warner, but we seem to be obsessed with picking blokes who on their day belt the pill out of the park. But that is almost irrelevant for test cricket. Proponents of Warner and Smith will argue they score so quickly they take the games away from the opponent in a session or a day, yet our recent record suggests otherwise despite both of them having periods of heavy run scoring. That is because tests go for five days, and no matter how many runs you score quickly if you leave the opponent time and overs they will generally get  the better of you!

For traditional followers of cricket, no matter how many runs players like Smith and Warner make, it stabs at your heart because they often throw away their wicket and that has an effect on the team! We need blokes who will occupy the crease, I'd be looking at younger types who don't throw their wicket away like Handscomb, Harris and Dean.

The think is Warner and Smith average 50ish, 56 in Smith's case. They get them often when needed too. You need blokes who can score quickly, like Gilchrist, and others who like to occupy the crease. It balances a line up out. We do need more of the latter though. Funnily enough it's where Gillespie was valuable with the bat at no 9. He averaged facing 80 balls an innings, averaging about 19. Those 80 balls though allowed the likes of Gilchrist to tear an attack apart while Gillespie held up an end. Like to see that in more established batsmen so the like of Warner can attack with support with the fear of a collapse.
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Post by: northernblue on November 13, 2016, 08:40:21 pm
The think is Warner and Smith average 50ish, 56 in Smith's case. They get them often when needed too. You need blokes who can score quickly, like Gilchrist, and others who like to occupy the crease. It balances a line up out. We do need more of the latter though. Funnily enough it's where Gillespie was valuable with the bat at no 9. He averaged facing 80 balls an innings, averaging about 19. Those 80 balls though allowed the likes of Gilchrist to tear an attack apart while Gillespie held up an end. Like to see that in more established batsmen so the like of Warner can attack with support with the fear of a collapse.

Are they real numbers Jim ? Or did you pull them out of your arse ? ????
80 balls faced is very impressive if true...

You're right though, it's all good when your seeing it like a footy and watching it fly to the boundary, but on anything that's not a drop in the odds start looking flakey at best.
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Post by: LP on November 13, 2016, 08:47:52 pm
The think is Warner and Smith average 50ish, 56 in Smith's case. They get them often when needed too. You need blokes who can score quickly, like Gilchrist, and others who like to occupy the crease. It balances a line up out. We do need more of the latter though. Funnily enough it's where Gillespie was valuable with the bat at no 9. He averaged facing 80 balls an innings, averaging about 19. Those 80 balls though allowed the likes of Gilchrist to tear an attack apart while Gillespie held up an end. Like to see that in more established batsmen so the like of Warner can attack with support with the fear of a collapse.

I agree LAJ, that is exactly what I was getting at when I said too many of one type!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 14, 2016, 11:38:23 am
I don't think you can seriously suggest that Smith and Warner are the problem.

We do have a problem of course... but there would be 8 other players in the team who will go before those two. Plus the coach.

There is a fair bit riding on our 2nd innings!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 14, 2016, 11:48:11 am
I don't think you can seriously suggest that Smith and Warner are the problem.

How do get the rest of the team to knuckle down and grind it out when you have the two potential captains regularly playing cross bat and getting out. Don't tell me it's all been fixed by Smith's last innings, or if Warner makes 100 next innings, leaders have to lead every time they head out on the field, they are the standards bearers!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 14, 2016, 11:55:32 am
So what's our 'next best' team look like? Changes need to be made ASAP surely!!

Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Patterson
Handscomb
Wade (wk)
Stoinis
Agar
Faulkner
Starc
Bird

Dunno, we've got to get some new blokes in for sure. Who they are the what the make-up of the team looks like, is anyone's guess!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 14, 2016, 12:01:48 pm
So what's our 'next best' team look like? Changes need to be made ASAP surely!!

Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Patterson
Handscomb
Wade (wk)
Stoinis
Agar
Faulkner
Starc
Bird

Dunno, we've got to get some new blokes in for sure. Who they are the what the make-up of the team looks like, is anyone's guess!

You obviously think the bowling is the problem, you changed almost every bowler but left three of the batsmen in a team that was bowled out for 85 against opposition missing it's major front line bowlers!

I think Marsh as a bowling all-rounder is OK, have Mitch Mitch coming at 7 and he's good value but not as a batting all-rounder. Nevile at 8 and Stoinis at 6.

I think if you go Handscomb then Khawaja should open, Shaun Marsh out and Stoinis in for Voges.

Tough one, the current selectors have really kicked some of those blokes around which leaves them without any support. Oddly enough, I think Neville has to stay now, Wade might make things worse because he is not a gritty batsmen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 14, 2016, 12:12:55 pm
You obviously think the bowling is the problem, you changed almost every bowler but left three of the batsmen in a team that was bowled out for 85!

I think Marsh as an all-rounder is OK, have Mitch Mitch marsh coming at 7 and he's good value. Nevile at 8 and Stoinis at 6.

I think if you go Handscomb then  Khawaja should open, Shaun MArsh out, and Stoinis in for Voges.

Tough one, the current selectors have really kicked some of those blokes around which leaves them without any support. Oddly enough, I think Neville has to stay now, Wade might make things worse because he is not a gritty batsmen.

I like Nevill's temperament.

I was really just throwing some names out there for debate.

I see our bowling as incredibly weak.

Batsmen too.

Fielding also.

Think Smith is better to come in at no.3 Just my opinion.

Warner and Khawaja to open I think would work.

I think bottom line, Handscomb and Stoinis need to come in.

I really like Faulkner as a player, Agar too. Faulkner has the grit.

Funny with Wade, I think some debate for him to come in is based on his 'grit'.

Don;t mind Mitch Marsh at 7. Stoinis and him in the team together I think is handy.

Starc plus who as opening bowler? Could Mitch Marsh do the job?

Lyon I'm just not sold on. Same for Josh Hazlewood. They're not the worst though and Lyon's 200+ Test wickets is a a good effort. Who else comes in? Steve O'Keefe maybe?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 14, 2016, 12:21:36 pm
I like Nevill's temperament.

I was really just throwing some names out there for debate.

I see our bowling as incredibly weak.

Batsmen too.

Fielding also.

Think Smith is better to come in at no.3 Just my opinion.

Warner and Khawaja to open I think would work.

I think bottom line, Handscomb and Stoinis need to come in.

I really like Faulkner as a player, Agar too. Faulkner has the grit.

Funny with Wade, I think some debate for him to come in is based on his 'grit'.

Don;t mind Mitch Marsh at 7. Stoinis and him in the team together I think is handy.

Starc plus who as opening bowler? Could Mitch Marsh do the job?

Lyon I'm just not sold on. Same for Josh Hazlewood. They're not the worst though and Lyon's 200+ Test wickets is a a good effort. Who else comes in? Steve O'Keefe maybe?

Lyon's better than OK.

Hazlewood would be better if we had another front-line quick that didn't waste the new ball so often. Starc is the sort of bowler that reminds me of Tait or Thompson. The luxury you can have when you have Lillee or McGrath at the other end, but we don't have a Lillee or McGrath at the moment. Maybe having Hazelwood and Marsh open the bowling would both send Starc a message and let off some of the pressure on him! We really miss Pattinson.

Khawaja's biggest problem is his weak fielding, and if he has a bad day in the field he has a bad match with the bat!

Wade shows grit but he also has that habit of flashing at the ball on the return crease, a la Warner. These blokes play so much one day and 20/20 they cannot help themselves.

I too like Faulkner, he hasn't been respected by Australian Cricket, if he was in the UK he'd have 50 tests under his belt by now! Isn't he injured though?
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Post by: Pratty on November 14, 2016, 12:35:56 pm
Not sure on Faulkner's injury/fitness.

Always said he was a Test cricketer. Obviously the selectors see it quite differently.

Would love a fit and firing Pattinson!

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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 14, 2016, 12:52:12 pm
Lyon's better than OK.

Hazlewood would be better if we had another front-line quick that didn't waste the new ball so often. Starc is the sort of bowler that reminds me of Tait or Thompson. The luxury you can have when you have Lillee or McGrath at the other end, but we don't have a Lillee or McGrath at the moment. Maybe having Hazelwood and Marsh open the bowling would both send Starc a message and let off some of the pressure on him! We really miss Pattinson.

Khawaja's biggest problem is his weak fielding, and if he has a bad day in the field he has a bad match with the bat!

Wade shows grit but he also has that habit of flashing at the ball on the return crease, a la Warner. These blokes play so much one day and 20/20 they cannot help themselves.

I too like Faulkner, he hasn't been respected by Australian Cricket, if he was in the UK he'd have 50 tests under his belt by now! Isn't he injured though?

Rather have Wade flashing than Nevill prodding....you look at a gun like DeKock and he takes the attack to the bowlers and has just flogged our blokes, we do better with an attacking keeper at NO 7 IMO.
Hazelwood isnt quick enough for a bowler who doesnt do enough with the ball and is mpre of a N0 3 bowler IMO...
Agree we miss Pattinson...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 14, 2016, 01:42:42 pm
Will be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of hours, Mennie and Hazlewood getting the ball to move around and they are not specifically know for it!
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Post by: LP on November 14, 2016, 02:23:45 pm
::)
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Post by: Professer E on November 14, 2016, 03:28:48 pm
Neville just doesn't make enough runs, I reckon Wade should be looked at.

Lyon has been found out and is bowling horribly.... Time to regain form at shield level.  Same for Burns.

Id look at Bancroft or Maddinson to open.

Replace Mennie with Sayers: Hazelwood is being flogged because he is accurate and looks likely, as a true test standard bowler should.  The others are not contributing enough.

Must have a spin option in Adelaide, ? Maxwell, o'Keefe, Zampa, Holland?
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Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2016, 11:28:53 am
It craps me no end that the media spotlight has been turned on Steve Smith's captaincy when he stands at the non-striker's end and watching the numpties that the selectors expect him to win games with make the same errors over and over and over.

Sorry Voges, its over,  Thanks, but its over.  Next.

Nev....  You seem a decent bloke and a tidy gloveman but you have to make runs.  Next.

Ferg... We'll give you a thank you test in Adelaide so make sure you enjoy it.

Burnsy...  there's a shield game starting on Thursday... make sure you play in it.
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Post by: Pratty on November 15, 2016, 11:54:38 am
I don't see us making many changes in the near future, but I think some need to be made.

I'm not done yet with Mitch Marsh either, but get some others in for starters. I'm keen on Ashton Agar too. I had Patterson at 4. Can he of Handscomb bowl? PH can keep I know. Wouldn't mind 6 bowling options with someone like Trav Head to bowl some offies to go with Agar's lefties.

Here's a potential 12.

Warner
Khawaja
Smith (c)
Handscomb
Head
Stoinis
Wade (wk)
Agar
Faulkner
Starc
Hazlewood
12th Man: Bird
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Post by: JonHenry on November 15, 2016, 01:12:38 pm
I don't see us making many changes in the near future, but I think some need to be made.

I'm not done yet with Mitch Marsh either, but get some others in for starters. I'm keen on Ashton Agar too. I had Patterson at 4. Can he of Handscomb bowl? PH can keep I know. Wouldn't mind 6 bowling options with someone like Trav Head to bowl some offies to go with Agar's lefties.

Here's a potential 12.

Warner
Khawaja
Smith (c)
Handscomb
Head
Stoinis
Wade (wk)
Agar
Faulkner
Starc
Hazlewood
12th Man: Bird

CEO - Anyone but Sutherland
HPM - What a ridiculous Position - Sack the fool
COS - Mark Taylor
Coach - Steve Waugh
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2016, 01:17:27 pm
Is cricket in it's current state because the rumors about the internal dissent over the captaincy are true?

If heads roll and Smith survives, will it destroy Australian Cricket for half a decade or more?
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Post by: JonHenry on November 15, 2016, 01:20:53 pm
Is cricket in it's current state because the rumors about the internal dissent over the captaincy are true?

If heads roll and Smith survives, will it destroy Australian Cricket for half a decade or more?

What are the rumours?
I have only heard Warne sooking like he always does.
Probably because Smith won't consult him about his decisions.
In Adelaide 2 years ago I saw Warne talking to Clarke while Clarke was at 2nd slip after play had started.
His arrogance is beyond belief
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2016, 01:42:51 pm
I refer to my earlier statements about Australian players being mentally forked by the death of Hughes.

Note, refer to the Voges and Ferguson dismissals, Tasmania, Nov 15th 2016.
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Post by: malo on November 15, 2016, 01:45:08 pm
Voges shot was a not just a get out shot...it was a get out & stay out shot.  Ferguson, should at least have a couple more tests, very poor if after waiting 10 years for a spot his only test was one it that sort of overall batting implosion.

Wade will not play another test, sorry blokes. Not a test standard keeper.  I really hope we don't fall for the trap of looking for another Gilchrist just because SAF have unearthed one either....that sort of mentality has blighted our all rounder selection process for years.  I agree Neville may not be a long term future, might need to take a punt on someone young like they did with Healy years ago....sadly that sort of inspired selection seem beyond the current Selection panel.....

Bowling, well Hazelwood was good.  Otherwise a journeyman the likes of Kyle Abbott completely showed us up on how to bowl seam up, line & length.  Exactly what Mennie was selected to do !  I wonder how Siddle would have fared on that pitch ?

As Kevin Pietersen said, the pitch was nothing horrible, just a very good test of Batting technique.....which we failed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2016, 01:47:58 pm
As Kevin Pietersen said, the pitch was nothing horrible, just a very good test of Batting technique.....which we failed.

And there it is! :D
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Post by: DJC on November 15, 2016, 02:52:53 pm
Keep Warner, Smith, Starc and Hazelwood; the rest can go back to Shield cricket.  I don't mind who they bring in but I'd prefer a couple who aren't from NSW.

The selectors really need to forget about picking teams with the future in mind.  They should only be looking ahead to the next Test and players like White and Wade should be in serious contention.
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Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2016, 04:39:38 pm
Why wouldnt we consider Wade? Captains his state and has made shield and test runs... Keepers only have to take the chances offered, they dont generate them.

Who is the current NSW keeper, he is probably the next annointed one....
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 15, 2016, 04:50:30 pm
Why wouldnt we consider Wade? Captains his state and has made shield and test runs... Keepers only have to take the chances offered, they dont generate them.

Who is the current NSW keeper, he is probably the next annointed one....

Neville missed a simple stumping with DeKock the batsman...his keeping skills are overrated IMO and his batting is no where near the level of Wades...saying that though none are anywhere near the ability of DeKock as a player...
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Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2016, 05:11:37 pm
Probably stunned that Lyon beat the bat.
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Post by: laj on November 15, 2016, 06:48:23 pm
I don't see us making many changes in the near future, but I think some need to be made.

I'm not done yet with Mitch Marsh either, but get some others in for starters. I'm keen on Ashton Agar too. I had Patterson at 4. Can he of Handscomb bowl? PH can keep I know. Wouldn't mind 6 bowling options with someone like Trav Head to bowl some offies to go with Agar's lefties.

Here's a potential 12.

Warner
Khawaja
Smith (c)
Handscomb
Head
Stoinis
Wade (wk)
Agar
Faulkner
Starc
Hazlewood
12th Man: Bird

Warner
S.Marsh
Khawaja
Smith
Handscombe
Ferguson (needs more than one Test)
Wade
O'Keefe
Starc
Hazelwood
Bird (Look forward to the likes of Cummins finally being fit. Changes everything)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2016, 07:31:17 pm
If Hazelwood is your third seamer you've got a decent attack.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 15, 2016, 07:55:52 pm
Why wouldnt we consider Wade? Captains his state and has made shield and test runs... Keepers only have to take the chances offered, they dont generate them.

Who is the current NSW keeper, he is probably the next annointed one....

Wade is a very average keeper.
He needs a chest guard
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 15, 2016, 08:40:24 pm
Handscombe may be a better option than Wade but it's hard to see him getting a spot (as a keeper) when he's not keeping for his State.

Wade is a scrapper and he has a go; traits that seem alien to most blokes in our Test team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2016, 09:30:15 pm
Untidy keeper who makes runs versus tidy keeper who struggles to make runs. ....hmm big call.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 16, 2016, 11:59:03 am
What about Sam Whiteman from WA as keeper/bat at no.7?

I've long been a Tim Paine fan. Where's he at?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 16, 2016, 12:00:31 pm
Warner
S.Marsh
Khawaja
Smith
Handscombe
Ferguson (needs more than one Test)
Wade
O'Keefe
Starc
Hazelwood
Bird (Look forward to the likes of Cummins finally being fit. Changes everything)

I'd prefer a 5th bowler, at least.

Shaun Marsh, Khawaja and Ferguson are all average fielders IMO.

Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Patterson
Handscomb
Stoinis
Wade (wk)
Faulkner
O'Keefe
Starc
Hazlewood
12th: Bird
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: spf on November 16, 2016, 12:08:39 pm
Ask yourself two things:


Solve those and you'll start winning matches.

When you're looking at your proposed teams, how do they measure up?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 16, 2016, 12:19:45 pm
Get Warnie in as coach!!!  8)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Thryleon on November 16, 2016, 12:49:01 pm
Get Warnie in as coach!!!  8)

They would probably do better if he was playing rather than coaching...

:D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: bratblue on November 16, 2016, 01:35:15 pm
They would probably do better if he was playing rather than coaching...

:D

Captain coach   :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 16, 2016, 01:54:11 pm
Bit of a story breaking about the SA Captain doing the old lolly trick.

Pretty suspect, the report states he licks his fingers but the video shows him almost swallowing an index finger, his boyfriend must be very happy! :D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 16, 2016, 02:11:49 pm
They would probably do better if he was playing rather than coaching...

:D

Haha...too right!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 16, 2016, 04:32:45 pm
Saffies were warned for scrubbing the ball in the first test as well, Faf would want to be careful.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 16, 2016, 07:28:46 pm
Wade is a very average keeper.
He needs a chest guard

Need grit and toughness in the middle order though. Wade does provide that. Might be one time to go with the better batsman. While not always the best way, the way we collapse it may be the way to go this time.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 16, 2016, 08:26:51 pm
Gilchrist wasn't the greatest keeper ever either.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 17, 2016, 02:17:21 pm
Gilchrist wasn't the greatest keeper ever either.

True, and I'm not overly worried about Wade's keeping as such. I think his preparedness to get in the grill of the opposition, plus more than competent batting at no.6 or 7, is what we need. I'd be playing him in the 3rd Test to shake things up, along with Handscomb and Stoinis.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 17, 2016, 02:20:54 pm
Sounds like Burns carked it bad today, so can't see him getting a gig... he has technical issues to sort out.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 17, 2016, 02:26:09 pm
Is Shaun Marsh fit to play?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 17, 2016, 03:07:48 pm
True, and I'm not overly worried about Wade's keeping as such. I think his preparedness to get in the grill of the opposition, plus more than competent batting at no.6 or 7, is what we need. I'd be playing him in the 3rd Test to shake things up, along with Handscomb and Stoinis.

Would play Faulkner ahead of Stoinis any day of the week personally......
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 17, 2016, 03:18:08 pm
Would play Faulkner ahead of Stoinis any day of the week personally......

Happy to have Faulks in.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 17, 2016, 03:23:28 pm
What we need are selectors who will pick the best team for every Test.  Forget about picking blokes who may do OK in the next tour of England or India; win the next Test  >:(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 17, 2016, 03:24:49 pm
Jake Lehmann has to be a chance too. Matt Renshaw is another I keep hearing about.

Add Handscomb, Patterson, Bancroft, Maddinson and Stoinis to the mix, plus Wade, and we have some options to choose from, all young too. (Wade 28yo)

James Faulkner is a made Test cricketer IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 17, 2016, 03:48:22 pm
Jake Lehmann has to be a chance too. Matt Renshaw is another I keep hearing about.

Add Handscomb, Patterson, Bancroft, Maddinson and Stoinis to the mix, plus Wade, and we have some options to choose from, all young too. (Wade 28yo)

James Faulkner is a made Test cricketer IMO.

Lehmann looks very much in form so pick him, irrelevant who his Dad is....

Handscomg on 57no as we speak, Dean (who's he?) on 94 no.

Khawaja got a ton.

Burns failed. Gone.

Bancroft failed, Voges retired hurt!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 17, 2016, 04:24:37 pm
In regards to today's Adam Voges incident.

How do blokes make it to test level unable to deal with short pitched bowling, dealing with bouncers by turning their heads away?

FFS, they have hundreds of dollars of high strength carbon fibre or titanium alloy sitting on their head and the best they can do is duck! With that headgear on you could freaking head-butt the ball Kohli style and just laugh it off, but these guys turn away exposing the back of their head to the delivery!

It's just another sign of how far Australian cricket has slipped!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 17, 2016, 05:08:12 pm
When your form and confidence are shot, batsmen do that kind of thing.  I suspect that his "eye" might have gone as well.  Unfortunately, for his own safety, it might be close to curtains for him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 17, 2016, 05:13:18 pm
In regards to today's Adam Voges incident.

How do blokes make it to test level unable to deal with short pitched bowling, dealing with bouncers by turning their heads away?

FFS, they have hundreds of dollars of high strength carbon fibre or titanium alloy sitting on their head and the best they can do is duck! With that headgear on you could freaking head-butt the ball Kohli style and just laugh it off, but these guys turn away exposing the back of their head to the delivery!

It's just another sign of how far Australian cricket has slipped!

He made it to Test level at 36. Going by his dismissal in the Test match it looked like his "eye" had gone and wasn't picking up the ball as quickly. Age waits for no-one. Ponting had a couple of interesting bizarre-like dismissals late in his career to just before he retired.

Voges started late but made the most of his time at Test level. Father time has caught up with him. Happens to them all.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 17, 2016, 05:16:53 pm
Jake Lehmann has to be a chance too. Matt Renshaw is another I keep hearing about.

Add Handscomb, Patterson, Bancroft, Maddinson and Stoinis to the mix, plus Wade, and we have some options to choose from, all young too. (Wade 28yo)

James Faulkner is a made Test cricketer IMO.

I'm a fan of Faulkner...got some hardness about the way he plays his cricket and we dont really have a bowler who can swing/reverse and seam it at 130k which seems what you need these days...3 genuine quicks who dont swing or move the ball unless its brand new doesnt work in Test Cricket anymore.
Add his very handy batting...Starc isnt a decent No 8 and good outfielding and you have a cricketer we need in the team....its an obvious selection IMO..
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Post by: laj on November 17, 2016, 05:25:30 pm
I'm a fan of Faulkner...got some hardness about the way he plays his cricket and we dont really have a bowler who can swing/reverse and seam it at 130k which seems what you need these days...3 genuine quicks who dont swing or move the ball unless its brand new doesnt work in Test Cricket anymore.
Add his very handy batting...Starc isnt a decent No 8 and good outfielding and you have a cricketer we need in the team....its an obvious selection IMO..

Actually, Starc averages 22.45 with the bat in Test cricket, six 50s including a 99. Imagine it was higher before the series started as he hasn't made a score thus far.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 17, 2016, 07:12:14 pm
Actually, Starc averages 22.45 with the bat in Test cricket, six 50s including a 99. Imagine it was higher before the series started as he hasn't made a score thus far.

Starcs batting is overated IMo, he hasnt looked like doing anything other than giving slips catching practice to the saffies, his average is inflated IMO and is more suited when he can
throw the bat at 9/10/11.....at No 8 you have to bat responsibly at times and he gets out when he plays straight up and down to consistent line bowling...
I'd prefer Faulkner at 8 as he can defend and attack
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Post by: Pratty on November 17, 2016, 07:12:18 pm
Lehmann looks very much in form so pick him, irrelevant who his Dad is....

Handscomg on 57no as we speak, Dean (who's he?) on 94 no.

Khawaja got a ton.

Burns failed. Gone.

Bancroft failed, Voges retired hurt!

THat's the other one I wanted to mention - Travis Dean. The 2nd season Vic opener. He goes very well IMHO.
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Post by: malo on November 18, 2016, 08:18:47 am
Starcs batting is overated IMo, he hasnt looked like doing anything other than giving slips catching practice to the saffies, his average is inflated IMO and is more suited when he can
throw the bat at 9/10/11.....at No 8 you have to bat responsibly at times and he gets out when he plays straight up and down to consistent line bowling...
I'd prefer Faulkner at 8 as he can defend and attack

Yeah, I have to agree with that about Starc, he has a good eye & can get quick runs after a good foundation.  But he's no Mitchell Johnson.  We're starting to see exactly how valuable Johnson really was coming in at #8, and for all his critics & the pressure of following on from Gilchrist, Haddons batting looks very good in comparison to what's around now. 

As an aside, I just read a bit of an extract from Haddons book regarding what he & his wife went through/is going through with his daughter.....I am astonished he was able to perform at the level he did quite frankly.  As a dad with a little girl who is my world, stories like this really choke me.

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Post by: Professer E on November 18, 2016, 09:41:43 am
People forget that the side has lost a nucleus of a good side in  Rogers, Clarke, Haddin, Harris and Johnson... essentially in one season.  Blokes that were always going to prove difficult to find replacements for, especially coupled with the unfortunate death of Hughes.

I distantly know an ex-Aussie selector and he was of the opinion that Harris was the best pace bowler since Lillee.  Hard to replace world XI type players.

As for Starc - he is a poor man's Johnson.  Needs to find consistency with bat and ball. 

Injuries have thwarted any attempt at getting a decent bowling group on the park, I've given up on Cummins and Pattinson, now Faulkner is an LTI.  Time to groom alternatives.
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Post by: laj on November 18, 2016, 12:18:39 pm
People forget that the side has lost a nucleus of a good side in  Rogers, Clarke, Haddin, Harris and Johnson... essentially in one season.  Blokes that were always going to prove difficult to find replacements for, especially coupled with the unfortunate death of Hughes.

I distantly know an ex-Aussie selector and he was of the opinion that Harris was the best pace bowler since Lillee.  Hard to replace world XI type players.

As for Starc - he is a poor man's Johnson.  Needs to find consistency with bat and ball. 

Injuries have thwarted any attempt at getting a decent bowling group on the park, I've given up on Cummins and Pattinson, now Faulkner is an LTI.  Time to groom alternatives.

Those blokes have been gone for a little while now. Until the last 5 Tests we still managed to play decent cricket and progress to world No.1. Just lost the lot recently.

My biggest issue though has been Cricket Australia. The last few years they have obviously instructed curators to dish up road after road after road to make Tests go 5 days. Unfortunately it meant our players have have no experience of pitches that swing or seam and as soon as they are exposed to such conditions they are lost. Unfortunately our batsmen can only play on the pitches that are dished up to them. Now we have that have movement we are in trouble. Important now we make sure there is at least something in pitches at Shield level to force batsmen to use the right technique or otherwise perish in the game.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 18, 2016, 01:00:53 pm
Those blokes have been gone for a little while now. Until the last 5 Tests we still managed to play decent cricket and progress to world No.1. Just lost the lot recently.

My biggest issue though has been Cricket Australia. The last few years they have obviously instructed curators to dish up road after road after road to make Tests go 5 days. Unfortunately it meant our players have have no experience of pitches that swing or seam and as soon as they are exposed to such conditions they are lost. Unfortunately our batsmen can only play on the pitches that are dished up to them. Now we have that have movement we are in trouble. Important now we make sure there is at least something in pitches at Shield level to force batsmen to use the right technique or otherwise perish in the game.

Jim..Years gone by back in our day Aus cricketers played county cricket and tightened up their techniques vs the moving ball, now its IPL and any other forms of 20/20 cricket they go and play which does bugger all
for their technique. Its only the non 20/20 types like recently retired Chris Rogers who would have played their share of county cricket and improved their game. no surprise he was a success later in his career given he did all the hard yards at county level and had a tight technique and knew how to leave a good delivery.
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Post by: laj on November 18, 2016, 01:46:44 pm
Jim..Years gone by back in our day Aus cricketers played county cricket and tightened up their techniques vs the moving ball, now its IPL and any other forms of 20/20 cricket they go and play which does bugger all
for their technique. Its only the non 20/20 types like recently retired Chris Rogers who would have played their share of county cricket and improved their game. no surprise he was a success later in his career given he did all the hard yards at county level and had a tight technique and knew how to leave a good delivery.

Unfortunately that's the way of the world now. Not much we can do about that as the money is huge in 20/20 cricket. Hence we have to do that at home now, making sure there is something in the pitches at first class level that allow for ball movement. We've just had way too many roads the last few years so all we've learned is to smack the ball with hard hands in front of the pads. Then we go to England or play South Africa here on moving pitches and can't adjust.
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Post by: LP on November 18, 2016, 03:21:00 pm
How bad must Nathan Lyon be feeling at the moment.

He's been made a scapegoat for some shizen captaincy and batting at test level. He's moved states to play under the bloke that currently white-ants him favoring his new team-mate. He has 200 test wickets but gets bowled behind his potential replacement. In the current match Dean and Handscomb have torn him a new one!

What's that about the grass always being greener? :o

He must be thinking to himself, next time take the blue pill!
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Post by: DJC on November 18, 2016, 05:22:35 pm
Handscomb - 215
Dean - 134
White - 75no

Bad luck they're not playing for NSW  ::)
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 18, 2016, 05:34:34 pm
Handscomb - 215
Dean - 134
White - 75no

Bad luck they're not playing for NSW  ::)

Reckon Handscomb will get picked for Voges next test...
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Post by: DJC on November 18, 2016, 05:42:43 pm
Reckon Handscomb will get picked for Voges next test...

All three would be in the eleven if it was picked on form and winning the Test was the objective.
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Post by: laj on November 18, 2016, 07:53:27 pm
How bad must Nathan Lyon be feeling at the moment.

He's been made a scapegoat for some shizen captaincy and batting at test level. He's moved states to play under the bloke that currently white-ants him favoring his new team-mate. He has 200 test wickets but gets bowled behind his potential replacement. In the current match Dean and Handscomb have torn him a new one!

What's that about the grass always being greener? :o

He must be thinking to himself, next time take the blue pill!

In the first innings against Victoria he took 0/137 from 38 overs. Think he might be in trouble.
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Post by: Professer E on November 18, 2016, 09:12:52 pm
Smith's captaincy may be shizen but Lyon's bowling is shizen, and that's why he will be dropped.
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Post by: DJC on November 18, 2016, 09:44:34 pm
A caller to SEN asked whether a fieldsman can change positions after the bowler starts his run up.  A NSW slips fielder moved to leg slip as the bowler was approaching.  The batsman, White, swept and the ball passed the fieldsman for four runs.

Chuck Berry immediately said that it would have been Smith as he has tried it several times before.  Surely the Aussie captain should play according to the rules.
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Post by: sandsmere on November 19, 2016, 06:08:19 am
Renshaw to open with Warner I reckon.
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Post by: laj on November 19, 2016, 10:02:40 am
A caller to SEN asked whether a fieldsman can change positions after the bowler starts his run up.  A NSW slips fielder moved to leg slip as the bowler was approaching.  The batsman, White, swept and the ball passed the fieldsman for four runs.

Chuck Berry immediately said that it would have been Smith as he has tried it several times before.  Surely the Aussie captain should play according to the rules.

Actually someone took a catch that way in a Test match and the ICC said it was legal afterwards. Going off memory.
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Post by: LP on November 19, 2016, 10:21:35 am
Actually someone took a catch that way in a Test match and the ICC said it was legal afterwards. Going off memory.

Really it's outside of the intent of the rules, it was brought in to deal with batsmen who change their stance during the deliver stride.

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Steven Smith's catch to dismiss Fawad Alam in 2014 was an example of legal anticipation

The MCC has confirmed an update to the Laws that allows a fielder to make a "significant movement" before the striker has played the ball. The ICC, in consultation with the MCC, had already introduced a playing condition to this effect last year, which came to light after Steven Smith took a catch to remove Fawad Alam* in an ODI in Abu Dhabi.

Previously, under Laws 41.7 and 41.8, Smith's movement would have resulted in a dead ball, with "significant movement ... before the ball reaches the striker" deemed as "unfair".

They have now been replaced by a single Law .417, governing movement by fielders other than the wicketkeeper. The change is designed to promote "intelligent fielding" and allows a player to move if it becomes obvious a batsman will play the ball in a certain direction.
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Post by: laj on November 19, 2016, 10:48:55 am
Really it's outside of the intent of the rules, it was brought in to deal with batsmen who change their stance during the deliver stride.

I'm glad my memory still functions reasonably at least at my age. C.R.A.F.T. disease hasn't quite kicked in yet..lol.
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 19, 2016, 03:21:09 pm
i note the much hyped NSW line up was humbled vs the Vics today....
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Post by: LP on November 19, 2016, 06:25:01 pm
i note the much hyped NSW line up was humbled vs the Vics today....

Smith puts Lyon in to be night watchmen, what a fecking joke of a Test Captain!
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Post by: Professer E on November 19, 2016, 07:41:19 pm
What's your beef with Smith?  Who else can do the job?  He is doing what he can with the little he has.... strewth, Steve Waugh or AB would struggle to get the current mob to perform.  In Lyon's case you can't pull your socks up if you ain't wearing any.
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Post by: LP on November 20, 2016, 11:48:37 am
What's your beef with Smith?  Who else can do the job?  He is doing what he can with the little he has.... strewth, Steve Waugh or AB would struggle to get the current mob to perform.  In Lyon's case you can't pull your socks up if you ain't wearing any.

Leaders have got to lead, especially when things are getting tough.

Smith's willingness to use a night-watchman makes me think he's looking for a way out of the kitchen, things are getting too hot for him!

Even if Lyon put his hand up to be a night-watchman, Smith should have said no and took on the responsibility!
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Post by: DJC on November 20, 2016, 12:40:20 pm
I'm not convinced about Smith as captain.  He seems to do OK when the team is well placed but struggles when the team is up against it.

I don't think Cricket Australia considered options when they anointed Smith for the role.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 20, 2016, 01:22:09 pm
I'd make Warner captain....not everyones cup of tea is Davey boy but he has some mongrel in him which good Aussie captains have....
Smith is a nice bloke...but he is still maturing IMO and reminds of when Kim Hughes got the job...
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Post by: laj on November 20, 2016, 01:38:07 pm
I'd make Warner captain....not everyones cup of tea is Davey boy but he has some mongrel in him which good Aussie captains have....
Smith is a nice bloke...but he is still maturing IMO and reminds of when Kim Hughes got the job...

While it's not alot of evidence the side lifted 2 to 3 notches during the one day series in Sri Lanka when Smith was sent home to rest and Warner become captain. We actually went on to win the series 4-1. The only thing we've won since February.
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Post by: DJC on November 20, 2016, 05:33:05 pm
The selectors have made a start by dropping Joe Burns, Adam Voges, Peter Nevill, Joe Mennie and Callum Ferguson.

Matthew Renshaw (Queensland), Peter Handscomb (Victoria), Nic Maddinson (New South Wales) and Chadd Sayers (South Australia) get their first chance and Matthew Wade and Jackson Bird have been recalled to the 12 man squad.

I would have included Cam White and Travis Dean but I think there's a limit on the number of Victorians you can have in the squad.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 20, 2016, 05:41:30 pm
The selectors have made a start by dropping Joe Burns, Adam Voges, Peter Nevill, Joe Mennie and Callum Ferguson.

Matthew Renshaw (Queensland), Peter Handscomb (Victoria), Nic Maddinson (New South Wales) and Chadd Sayers (South Australia) get their first chance and Matthew Wade and Jackson Bird have been recalled to the 12 man squad.

I would have included Cam White and Travis Dean but I think there's a limit on the number of Victorians you can have in the squad.

The Sheik must be the new Chief selector :)..this is scorched earth selection policy and what we needed.....
Agree on Dean....dont see White playing test cricket again....this is rebuild stuff....the Yorkshireman Sam Whiteman is a tad unlucky.....might have him thinking about an English Test career if he gets overlooked again..
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Post by: LP on November 20, 2016, 05:49:27 pm
Maddinson has had a sh1te season, 3 knocks over 30 in his last 13 innings.

Perhaps he is in for his bowling, nup 1 wicket in eight innings. :o

WTF, it's another NSW miracle selection!  >:(

A sceptical cricket follower could be forgiven for thinking they have picked some out of form blokes who will fail in time for the anointed favourites to return. I'll piss myself laughing if they go well and stitch up the blessed ones. :D
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Post by: DJC on November 20, 2016, 05:58:05 pm
The Sheik must be the new Chief selector :)..this is scorched earth selection policy and what we needed.....
Agree on Dean....dont see White playing test cricket again....this is rebuild stuff....the Yorkshireman Sam Whiteman is a tad unlucky.....might have him thinking about an English Test career if he gets overlooked again..

White is in career best form with the bat . . . and he's a only year older than Ferguson and four years younger than Voges.

The selectors should simply be picking the 12 players best able to win the next Test and White has the form, ability and cricket nous to get the job done.
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Post by: laj on November 20, 2016, 06:07:39 pm
Leaders have got to lead, especially when things are getting tough.

Smith's willingness to use a night-watchman makes me think he's looking for a way out of the kitchen, things are getting too hot for him!

Even if Lyon put his hand up to be a night-watchman, Smith should have said no and took on the responsibility!

Lyon's done the nightwatchman job a few times in Tests, including under Clarke.
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Post by: DJC on November 20, 2016, 07:42:41 pm
Lyon's done the nightwatchman job a few times in Tests, including under Clarke.

The symbolism of Lyon coming in as nightwatchman shouldn't be underestimated.  It clearly informed the Vics that Smith wasn't confident that he could keep the bowlers out and trying to win the game wasn't an option for NSW.  It was meek, reactive captaincy that seems to come to the fore when things aren't going well for Smith.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 20, 2016, 07:53:59 pm
White is in career best form with the bat . . . and he's a only year older than Ferguson and four years younger than Voges.

The selectors should simply be picking the 12 players best able to win the next Test and White has the form, ability and cricket nous to get the job done.

Dont disagree he is in form..my point is I dont see the selectors going back to too many old players given the media and public have caned the dads army selection policy..Maddinson averages 37 in 1st class cricket which isnt exactly mind blowing and is a IPL player in terms of technique but gets a game based on youth and promise rather than results....and playing for the right state.
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 20, 2016, 11:00:57 pm
Dont disagree he is in form..my point is I dont see the selectors going back to too many old players given the media and public have caned the dads army selection policy..Maddinson averages 37 in 1st class cricket which isnt exactly mind blowing and is a IPL player in terms of technique but gets a game based on youth and promise rather than results....and playing for the right state.

i reckon the LehmANN lad would have got a gig if he'd even managed a 50 this weekend....
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Post by: JonHenry on November 21, 2016, 06:44:50 am
Picking Wade just doesn't make sense.
I've never seen a keeper get hit in the chest by the ball as much as this guy. Sure he can bat, but we are off to India soon and another change will be needed.
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Post by: sandsmere on November 21, 2016, 06:49:27 am
Renshaw to open with Warner I reckon.


Ah well.  . . . you heard it on here first.  :D . .  ;) . .  ;)
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Post by: LP on November 21, 2016, 07:49:46 am
The should have picked Ellyse Perry, she has a better technique than half the other options!
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Post by: JonHenry on November 21, 2016, 08:19:25 am
White is in career best form with the bat . . . and he's a only year older than Ferguson and four years younger than Voges.

The selectors should simply be picking the 12 players best able to win the next Test and White has the form, ability and cricket nous to get the job done.

So are you saying the shouldn't try to build a team for the longer period?
Players should be test ready when they are first selected?

That's pretty short term thinking and exactly what got us in the predicament we are now in.
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Post by: Pratty on November 21, 2016, 09:13:21 am
How has Maddinson got a gig ahead of Patterson? Got talent for sure...otherwise, I am happy with the changes. Hoping Lyon does not play.
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Post by: DJC on November 21, 2016, 09:55:34 am
So are you saying the shouldn't try to build a team for the longer period?
Players should be test ready when they are first selected?

That's pretty short term thinking and exactly what got us in the predicament we are now in.

We're in the predicament we are now largely because the selectors have focused on blokes who they think could develop into test players and with a couple of blokes who are past it thrown in for good measure.

Picking the best 12 players available isn't such a radical approach.
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 21, 2016, 10:40:41 am
How has Maddinson got a gig ahead of Patterson? Got talent for sure...otherwise, I am happy with the changes. Hoping Lyon does not play.

Lyon shouldn't plY BASED ON FORM. Smith can bowl a few?
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Post by: Pratty on November 21, 2016, 11:39:31 am
Lyon shouldn't plY BASED ON FORM. Smith can bowl a few?

I think Smith should start to get those leggies going again, just as a part-time option. Would be handy if he can land them effectively for some overs.
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Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2016, 02:37:36 pm
Was initially picked for Australia as a leggie.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2016, 06:42:54 pm
Was initially picked for Australia as a leggie.

Not much joy in Aus for spinners....be interesting to see how Yasir Shah goes when he plays for Pakistan after the Saffie series, best leg spinner since Warnie is what they are calling him. Dont see us providing any dry turning wickets...reckon greentops.....

I'd play Maxwell ahead of Lyon......Lyon is tight but Maxwell breaks partnerships and you get the bonus of his batting and fielding...Ali of England does the same job and stuffed us up bigtime batting at 7/8 in the last ashes series and has gone on to bigger and better things...
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Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2016, 07:02:38 pm
Agree 100% Brother Elwood... Maxwell can bat, is the best field in the country and can at least bowl darts to hold up an end.

Lyon lacks penetration and doesn't tie down an end -  batsmen have finally realised that they can go after him with much risk as he neither spins it enough to pose a threat or beats them with flight.  He does not possess any meaningful variations that I can see... no chucks, I mean Carom balls, over spinners, sliders, arm nuts or scooters.  That said, I give Lyon plaudits  for eking 100% from his ability, trying his guts out with the bat and fielding solidly.
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Post by: Pratty on November 22, 2016, 09:08:57 am
Not much joy in Aus for spinners....be interesting to see how Yasir Shah goes when he plays for Pakistan after the Saffie series, best leg spinner since Warnie is what they are calling him. Dont see us providing any dry turning wickets...reckon greentops.....

I'd play Maxwell ahead of Lyon......Lyon is tight but Maxwell breaks partnerships and you get the bonus of his batting and fielding...Ali of England does the same job and stuffed us up bigtime batting at 7/8 in the last ashes series and has gone on to bigger and better things...

Nice point elwood.

Maxy at 7 or 8 bowling his offies and providing that sharp and energetic fielding (freakish even) would be welcome.

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Post by: DJC on November 22, 2016, 10:12:44 am
Nice point elwood.

Maxy at 7 or 8 bowling his offies and providing that sharp and energetic fielding (freakish even) would be welcome.

Maxwell is the type of cricketer that wins matches, but not one on whom the selectors are prepared to gamble.  It's quite strange given their propensity to select players who don't seem to have done enough to warrant selection or who aren't doing enough to stay in the team. 
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Post by: malo on November 22, 2016, 02:40:52 pm
Maxwell is the type of cricketer that wins matches, but not one on whom the selectors are prepared to gamble.  It's quite strange given their propensity to select players who don't seem to have done enough to warrant selection or who aren't doing enough to stay in the team.

What we also need is a skipper who will fight tooth & nail for the type of blokes he wants in the team with him.  Not sure Smith has that tenacity yet.  Ponting fought (almost demanded) that a similar player (Andrew Symonds) was selected in his side despite some off field hi-jinx.  And he could have been a match winner over a decent length of time if the ACB hadn't completely stabbed him & Ponting in the back by pandering to the Indians over the "monkeygate" incident.  Symonds lost his interest in the game from then on.

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Post by: DJC on November 24, 2016, 09:18:15 pm
Picking Wade just doesn't make sense.
I've never seen a keeper get hit in the chest by the ball as much as this guy. Sure he can bat, but we are off to India soon and another change will be needed.

Four catches and a stumping!

It will be a bonus if Wade makes runs to go with his very good performance with the gloves  :)
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 24, 2016, 09:44:47 pm
Four catches and a stumping!

It will be a bonus if Wade makes runs to go with his very good performance with the gloves  :)

Wade was good and I dont see much wrong with his keeping....Saffies look a bit carefree and apart from Captain Minty didnt show much fight or effort, reckon we can win this test and
build a team to play the Paki's...
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Post by: Professer E on November 24, 2016, 10:01:23 pm
Saffies have been made to look better than they are by our hopelessly inept batting.

Attack ran out of gas after tea and needed a fifth option but you can't have everything.

Honest, solid effort by the Aussies today IMO.  Saffies all out for < 300 and none down at stumps... we can win this.
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Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on November 24, 2016, 10:06:28 pm
Rookie mistake 101 Skipper - Faf played Smith on a break with that declaration which saw little Davey not able to open the innings cause he was in the rooms for too long watching his "OLED" ;)
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Post by: Professer E on November 24, 2016, 10:13:09 pm
Yes, but two young batsmen had a chance to stick down a marker and they did.
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Post by: DJC on November 24, 2016, 10:20:37 pm
Yes, but two young batsmen had a chance to stick down a marker and they did.

Yes, poor captaincy by Smith and lack of awareness from Warner but it may just work to our advantage.
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Post by: Bear on November 25, 2016, 12:39:55 pm
Reckon Faf was being a bit too clever with his declaration tactic... I'd say it's backfired given we didn't loose a wicket.

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Post by: LP on November 25, 2016, 01:00:27 pm
Reckon Faf was being a bit too clever with his declaration tactic... I'd say it's backfired given we didn't loose a wicket.

It will be if they put on a decent partnership and Warner comes in against a docile attack not getting the ball off straight.

The spinner will be a big part of the game once we lose an opener.

We need a shed load of runs, nobody is going to want to bat on this pitch come day five. It was already popping and weaving on day one.
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Post by: laj on November 25, 2016, 01:27:49 pm
Faf's not as smart as he thinks. If it was 10 and 11 batting then by all means declare but he himself was 118 no and in a decent partnership with the no.11. When you are 9/259 10, 20 30 runs extra is priceless. He missed out on those trying to be clever.  Khawaja has opened many times for his state and has batted a bit with Renshaw, so it was no issue. Meant that SA got less runs than they should of, didn't get a wicket and now Warner comes in to face and older ball.
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Post by: harrisendblue on November 25, 2016, 02:47:56 pm
Faf's not as smart as he thinks.

Agree laj,

Faf should have declared when they were about 7 for 150 odd. Would have been enough runs to still win by an innings. By dragging it out they may risk having to play for an extra day.
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Post by: Bear on November 25, 2016, 03:00:31 pm
Faf's not as smart as he thinks. If it was 10 and 11 batting then by all means declare but he himself was 118 no and in a decent partnership with the no.11. When you are 9/259 10, 20 30 runs extra is priceless. He missed out on those trying to be clever.  Khawaja has opened many times for his state and has batted a bit with Renshaw, so it was no issue. Meant that SA got less runs than they should of, didn't get a wicket and now Warner comes in to face and older ball.

Yep... why declare, just go the tonk (as they were) and you either add some runs quickly or get to bowl.

The only way it works is if you get Warner out before stumps... so he should have actually waited for Warner to come back on and then declared. If you did that and then got Warner you would be pretty happy with yourself... but I'd rather take the extra runs.
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Post by: DJC on November 25, 2016, 09:01:58 pm
Maddinson  :o
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Post by: DJC on November 25, 2016, 09:18:14 pm
Wade came in, showed some attitude, then departed pretty quickly!

I wonder how he was seeing the pink ball  ???
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Post by: DJC on November 25, 2016, 10:00:26 pm
Batted for a day; objective achieved!
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Post by: malo on November 26, 2016, 06:19:00 pm
Wade came in, showed some attitude, then departed pretty quickly!

I wonder how he was seeing the pink ball  ???

Pretty poorly if that miss of Alma was anything to go by....feet were set in concrete.

Just as well he's in for his batting......or is just in for his yap.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 26, 2016, 07:28:05 pm
Pretty poorly if that miss of Alma was anything to go by....feet were set in concrete.

Just as well he's in for his batting......or is just in for his yap.

Dont think yap has too much effect these days, every team has yappers and its over rated IMO...Wade stuffed that edge for sure but Renshaw wouldnt be my ideal 1st slip either...
Jackson Bird can look a bit pedestrian and Lyon seems devoid of confidence......Steven Cook has one of the worst techniques I have seen, how he got a century vs England is beyond me....
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Post by: Professer E on November 27, 2016, 07:56:36 am
I thought it was Renshaw's catch.
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 27, 2016, 07:57:57 am
Lyon lifted in what could have been his last Test.

We should win from here....
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Post by: JonHenry on November 27, 2016, 08:26:58 am
I thought it was Renshaw's catch.

If wade had moved his feet it would have been a very simple catch
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 27, 2016, 08:48:55 am
If wade had moved his feet it would have been a very simple catch

agreed. he stuffed it. it happens, even with good keepers!
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Post by: LP on November 27, 2016, 12:09:31 pm
agreed. he stuffed it. it happens, even with good keepers!

Firstly, Renshaw stands too wide. Normally the keeper would sort this out but they are both new in the team this week so you can expect a few games for them to get it right. They haven't even had much time to train together because of Shield commitments.

If you are going to stand in the wrong place make sure it's too close not too far!

Secondly, Wade would normally have Cameron White at 1st slip who is the best first slip in Australia and probably would have covered that catch easily. Also White would have been standing in the right place!

Finally, apparently testing has proven that the pink ball under lights is causing players a real problem with depth perception. To me the pink ball also looks a little fluorescent which makes it even hard to judge distance, this is based on my experience with the old fluro orange and yellow cricket balls, but I bet it is true.

In night cricket if you line up a white, fluro-orange and fluro-yellow cricket balls side-by-side the two fluro balls look bigger which makes you think they are closer than they really are, especially as you move further away the apparent size difference is remarkable. (I often wonder if this has some relationship to the full moon size illusion.) This causes you to go for catches that are out of reach, or move too slowly thinking the ball is falling closer than it really is, and you start getting hit on the end of the fingers or falling short of the catch. You then begin to doubt your judgement and that leaves you late to move.

Notice a number of Australian players are wearing tinted glasses at night, they are trying to dial down the contrast on the pink ball so so they judge the distance to the ball better.
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Post by: LP on November 27, 2016, 12:23:17 pm
I listened to radio most of yesterday, the ABC commentators bagged Lyon relentlessly. I have no idea what Lyon has done to those guys but they obviously do not like him, they want O'Keefe end of story. It got to the point I had to watch some highlights to make sense of what was being said, only to find out half of the broadcast was bulls1t commentary!

Reality is this. The likes of Warne, Peterson and Chappell have been on about this for some time, not that I'm a great fan of Chappell at the moment as he says some weird stuff, but he's right about this. Lyon's performance is being hampered by some ordinary field setting and decision making. He's Australia's premier spinner and when he used correctly to the right field settings he can control a game. You don't support a test spinner by setting One Day cricket fields and using One Day cricket tactics. Too often Lyon is coming into bowl after batsmen are set, it's not a 20/20 power-play it's test cricket, Lyon should be used when batsmen are fresh to the crease not when they are are 20 runs after 15 overs. This is very odd, because the team is selected such that ideal bowling combination for new batsmen is Starc and Lyon. Hopefully the Captain will improve, then we will improve as a team.

You can expect that even if we rap this innings up quickly, we will then struggle to make the target, that it will be Lyon's fault and not the batsmen, captain or selectors. this is despite Lyon being the only really effective spinner in the game so far!
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Post by: laj on November 27, 2016, 07:51:34 pm
I listened to radio most of yesterday, the ABC commentators bagged Lyon relentlessly. I have no idea what Lyon has done to those guys but they obviously do not like him, they want O'Keefe end of story. It got to the point I had to watch some highlights to make sense of what was being said, only to find out half of the broadcast was bulls1t commentary!

Reality is this. The likes of Warne, Peterson and Chappell have been on about this for some time, not that I'm a great fan of Chappell at the moment as he says some weird stuff, but he's right about this. Lyon's performance is being hampered by some ordinary field setting and decision making. He's Australia's premier spinner and when he used correctly to the right field settings he can control a game. You don't support a test spinner by setting One Day cricket fields and using One Day cricket tactics. Too often Lyon is coming into bowl after batsmen are set, it's not a 20/20 power-play it's test cricket, Lyon should be used when batsmen are fresh to the crease not when they are are 20 runs after 15 overs. This is very odd, because the team is selected such that ideal bowling combination for new batsmen is Starc and Lyon. Hopefully the Captain will improve, then we will improve as a team.

You can expect that even if we rap this innings up quickly, we will then struggle to make the target, that it will be Lyon's fault and not the batsmen, captain or selectors. this is despite Lyon being the only really effective spinner in the game so far!

Once he got his confidence back and started bowling more slowly he bowled really well, especially in the 2nd innings. Spell late last night might've been a career saver. Actually the pressure all 4 bowlers applied as a group was outstanding and put alot of pressure on SA.
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Post by: laj on November 27, 2016, 07:54:10 pm
If wade had moved his feet it would have been a very simple catch

He worked on that before play today, so they saw it as an issue, and he took a great catch down the legside. Bar that error he had a good game behind the stumps.

Ironically, Nevill made 179no today in the Shield match.
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Post by: shadesy on November 28, 2016, 01:45:41 pm
I thought it was Renshaw's catch.

Always the keepers catch...

And first slip should have been going for it though and the positioning was poor/ LA over always means you are blindsided for a split second as a keeper as it passes through the batsmen and edges tend to fly a bit finer, and a keeper can get caught flat footed as the ball is not sighted. Renshaw should have been finer.

(I was a keeper if that means anything at all...)
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 28, 2016, 02:14:06 pm
Always the keepers catch...

And first slip should have been going for it though and the positioning was poor/ LA over always means you are blindsided for a split second as a keeper as it passes through the batsmen and edges tend to fly a bit finer, and a keeper can get caught flat footed as the ball is not sighted. Renshaw should have been finer.

(I was a keeper if that means anything at all...)

Tradional for aussie 1st slips to field wider though isnt it?..agree it was the keepers catch..
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Post by: Pratty on December 09, 2016, 02:26:10 pm
Possible future Test XI?????

1. Warner
2. Renshaw
3. Khawaja
4. Smith (c)
5. Handscomb
6. Head
7. Wade (wk)
8. Pattinson
9. Starc
10. Cummins
11. Hazlewood

Bring in a spinner (Lyon, Holland, O'Keefe, Agar, Zampa) when need be. Maybe Head can bowl some decent offies to hold up an end and as a change bowler whilst the quicks unleash!

Other quicks to consider include Faulkner, Bird and Sayers.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 10, 2016, 07:52:34 am
Thought Faulkner' bowling was very ordinary last night.....

And Mitch M. was given ZERO overs. Odd.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 10, 2016, 08:14:01 am
Thought Faulkner' bowling was very ordinary last night.....

And Mitch M. was given ZERO overs. Odd.

Been a fan of Faulkner but I'd have to agree his bowling isnt what it was, no swing, no real movement off the wicket
and at a very hittable medium pace..

M.Marsh is like Shane Watson , has his moments but when confronted by real quality players cant get it done..

New Zealand apart from Guptill, Williamson and Boult sent over a holiday team and didnt look interested...

Reckon Sayers might play vs the Paki's with a view to taking a genuine swing bowler to England for the next Ashes series...
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Post by: Raydan on December 10, 2016, 08:22:04 am
Possible future Test XI?????

1. Warner
2. Renshaw
3. Khawaja
4. Smith (c)
5. Handscomb
6. Head
7. Wade (wk)
8. Pattinson
9. Starc
10. Cummins
11. Hazlewood

Bring in a spinner (Lyon, Holland, O'Keefe, Agar, Zampa) when need be. Maybe Head can bowl some decent offies to hold up an end and as a change bowler whilst the quicks unleash!

Other quicks to consider include Faulkner, Bird and Sayers.

I know you Vics get a woody every time Pattison is mentioned but he is a level below Starc and Hazelwood at the moment and the untapped potential of Cummins gets him into my line as well. You have to have a spinner in a test side and Head's nude balls don't cut it against a good test side.

Lyon started to get his drift back last test, however in the long term, I'd love to see Agar come on, he can bat, his bowling needs to get better but if he could be the answer at 6 (big ask) or we find a better keeper batsman who could go to 6, then we could play your 4 quicks Pratty and gift Pattison a game or when the need arises get a Zampa in on a turning track.

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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 10, 2016, 08:45:49 am
I know you Vics get a woody every time Pattison is mentioned but he is a level below Starc and Hazelwood at the moment and the untapped potential of Cummins gets him into my line as well. You have to have a spinner in a test side and Head's nude balls don't cut it against a good test side.

Lyon started to get his drift back last test, however in the long term, I'd love to see Agar come on, he can bat, his bowling needs to get better but if he could be the answer at 6 (big ask) or we find a better keeper batsman who could go to 6, then we could play your 4 quicks Pratty and gift Pattison a game or when the need arises get a Zampa in on a turning track.

Lyon has to play as the spinner IMO...problem in Aus is we have no real wicket taking spinners and the pitches dont suit. Lyon wont run through any teams but is tidy.
Leg spinners are what we do well but we dont have any real good ones....Zampa doesnt turn his leggie and relies on toppies and flippers only....
We are looking for that player like England have in Ali who can bat anywhere in the order but still bowl some handy spin, Agar is no Ali with the bat and wouldnt be able to bat at 6 IMO..
I think Whiteman will be our next keeper/.batsman but will play at 7...if you want the keeper that can bat at five or six like some of the other teams seem to be able to produce then give the gloves to Handscomb...
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Post by: Professer E on December 10, 2016, 11:21:58 am
I'll counter that view Rayden as I have been waiting to see Cummins again for a while and frankly I wasn't particularly impressed - lacked control/consistency and relied upon seam instead of the swing he once had.  Seems to always err on the short side and that's a big no no for red ball cricket IMO.

Personally I'd rank him about par with Pattinson - and I'd only consider either if they were consistently taking shield wickets and taking them with away movement.

We need to be developing that third option, and I agree that a bloke who moves the ball away from the bat such as Bird and/or Sayers must be in the frame.

Faulkner is a player who I really like but his time seems to be past - bowling is pretty pedestrian these days and there are plenty of similar handy batty options... but I'd still play him before Mitch Marsh who simply isn't up to it.  Hits powerfully through the line but other that looks stiff and wooden.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 10, 2016, 11:54:06 am
I'll counter that view Rayden as I have been waiting to see Cummins again for a while and frankly I wasn't particularly impressed - lacked control/consistency and relied upon seam instead of the swing he once had.  Seems to always err on the short side and that's a big no no for red ball cricket IMO.

Personally I'd rank him about par with Pattinson - and I'd only consider either if they were consistently taking shield wickets and taking them with away movement.

We need to be developing that third option, and I agree that a bloke who moves the ball away from the bat such as Bird and/or Sayers must be in the frame.

Faulkner is a player who I really like but his time seems to be past - bowling is pretty pedestrian these days and there are plenty of similar handy batty options... but I'd still play him before Mitch Marsh who simply isn't up to it.  Hits powerfully through the line but other that looks stiff and wooden.


Cummins has changed his action and doesnt swing the ball anymore..,more of the angle in and get the ball to seam away type bowler now, like I said I reckon they will go with Sayers and try and develop a genuine swing bowler to compliment Starc and Hazlewood.
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Post by: LP on December 10, 2016, 12:33:21 pm
Personally I'd rank him about par with Pattinson - and I'd only consider either if they were consistently taking shield wickets and taking them with away movement.

I think Pattinson when fit is well ahead of Cummins and Hazelwood and for what it is worth has better new ball control than Starc.

I suspect if Pattinson had been fit Marsh will still be in a job and Sth Africa might not have won.
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Post by: DJC on December 10, 2016, 02:58:23 pm
In the context of fast bowlers changing their actions, did anyone see Doug Ackerly's interviewed about the impact of the front foot rule?

Quote
This, Ackerly argues, changed everything.

"What I found was that it shortened the delivery stride ... and a jump appeared in the gather, which is the preparation before the delivery stride for fast bowlers," he said.

"[Now you get] lumbar stress fractures and front foot stress fractures with five to eight times your body weight going through that front foot."

Australia's list of pace bowlers has been dogged by stress fractures in recent years, with James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc and Peter Siddle all suffering.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-05/no-ball-rule-'hurting-australia's-pace-bowlers'/8092284

Apart from the ongoing calls for the rule to be changed to make umpiring easier, Ackerly's study provides compelling evidence to revert to the back foot rule.

It was fascinating to compare the actions of bowlers prior to 1963 with those of post-1963 bowlers.
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Post by: JonHenry on December 17, 2016, 07:13:06 am
Four catches and a stumping!

It will be a bonus if Wade makes runs to go with his very good performance with the gloves  :)

It would have been a bonus if he made runs.
Problem is he is average with the gloves and cannot be taken to India.
As I said, the selection was short sighted, considering that tour is just around the corner
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 17, 2016, 08:24:43 am
It would have been a bonus if he made runs.
Problem is he is average with the gloves and cannot be taken to India.
As I said, the selection was short sighted, considering that tour is just around the corner

I think while we are winning they will stick with Wade, Pakis are just deplorable and like New Zealand in the One dayers look
like they are here for a holiday and couldnt be bothered...8/97 is pathetic on a decent pitch unless of course they have a few
rupee's on the result.
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Post by: JonHenry on December 17, 2016, 09:59:43 am
I think while we are winning they will stick with Wade, Pakis are just deplorable and like New Zealand in the One dayers look
like they are here for a holiday and couldnt be bothered...8/97 is pathetic on a decent pitch unless of course they have a few
rupee's on the result.

Just makes no sense persisting with a crap keeper.
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Post by: Professer E on December 17, 2016, 11:01:05 am
You guys beat me to this, as I've been coaching today.   Yep, Wade has been disappointing.   His batting has been woeful and the missed stumping was awful and doesn't help his cause with the bevy of haters he has in the commentary box...
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Post by: LP on December 17, 2016, 12:32:14 pm
The trouble is bias has burnt some of the best prospective keepers around the country. At U21 level we had a bevy of serious keepers who could all bat at the top of the order and they got kiboshed by development squad selections. It's really starting to hurt Australian Cricket, too much nepotism.

I know of two seriously good youth keepers, one of whom has made a double century on a ACB youth team tour of the UK, who gave cricket away in the last year because of the situation with selection and administrator harassment. Too many cousin's, nephews and other relatives getting spots that are not deserved. The talented kid who is not connected has to work 300% harder to get a spot ahead of Uncle Bozo's very average nephew!

The money now being earned has really corrupted the process. Years back it was just pushy, political parents who were meddling in affairs, now it's also some "player manager/coach/administrators" who gets a slice of the pie as well!

I had one keepers parent tell me if you are not in tight with a certain group of ACB cricket mafia your kids career is pretty much dead and buried by the time they exit their teens. He told me the kid was harassed by certain officials to leave school and move interstate to play club cricket, even showed me an abusive text stating that if his kid didn't accept the offer they would assume he wasn't serious about the game and he should give it away! The lad was just 16!
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 17, 2016, 12:50:58 pm
Ian Chappell says Wade has to go before the India series.....although I'd expect most of Lyons deliveries to end up in the stand anyway and stumpings will be rare.
I like Whiteman from WA if we had to go a replacement but I presume Nevill from NSW will get the job again,,,
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Post by: DJC on December 17, 2016, 02:55:30 pm
Wade was always going to have issues with the pink ball.

I doubt whether Nevill will be back; silent wicket keepers don't really suit our cricket.
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Post by: JonHenry on December 17, 2016, 05:51:26 pm
Wade was always going to have issues with the pink ball.

I doubt whether  Nevill will be back; silent wicket keepers don't really suit our cricket.

  ;D  ;D ;D ;D
Nice try
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Post by: DJC on December 17, 2016, 06:39:31 pm
  ;D  ;D ;D ;D
Nice try

I was surprised that Wade was picked for day-night tests when his issues with the pink ball are well known. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 17, 2016, 08:51:06 pm
Neville?

How is picking an ageing statesmen moving the teams fortunes forward?

Many of our batsmen do not have the techniques required for the sub-continent so I suspect we will be smashed anyway. Why not find some new blood and expose them in a series we are unlikely to win anyway?
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Post by: DJC on December 18, 2016, 10:40:24 pm
Ian Chappell says Wade has to go before the India series.....although I'd expect most of Lyons deliveries to end up in the stand anyway and stumpings will be rare.
I like Whiteman from WA if we had to go a replacement but I presume Nevill from NSW will get the job again,,,

Does anyone pay any attention to what Chappell says?  If ever a commentator was past his use by date it's young Ian. 

Wade isn't the cleanest gloveman but he provides the glue that brings the team together.  I think that is far more important than the odd fumble. If there was to be a change, I'd be tempted to give Handscomb the gloves, provided it wouldn't impact on his batting.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 19, 2016, 08:04:12 am
Does anyone pay any attention to what Chappell says?  If ever a commentator was past his use by date it's young Ian. 

Wade isn't the cleanest gloveman but he provides the glue that brings the team together.  I think that is far more important than the odd fumble. If there was to be a change, I'd be tempted to give Handscomb the gloves, provided it wouldn't impact on his batting.

Can he captain as well as keep and bat?
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 19, 2016, 10:10:39 am
Does anyone pay any attention to what Chappell says?  If ever a commentator was past his use by date it's young Ian. 

Wade isn't the cleanest gloveman but he provides the glue that brings the team together.  I think that is far more important than the odd fumble. If there was to be a change, I'd be tempted to give Handscomb the gloves, provided it wouldn't impact on his batting.

Handscomb will be the backup keeper on short tours but wont be taking the gloves for Australia in a full time role IMO.
.he is now 3rd or 4th choice keeper for Victoria and his batting is too important.
I dont think Chappell's opinion will sway selectors and while the team are winning there wont be many changes....even Maddinson will be carried in the interests of development..both him and Wade have failed
with the bat in recent times but the team have been after quick runs and have thrown their wickets away.
Justin Langar will be the next national coach and I expect WA's Whiteman will be the next keeper in waiting...Yorkshire born, handy with the bat and Ashes tour coming up.....
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Post by: LP on December 19, 2016, 10:46:03 am
Handscomb will be the backup keeper on short tours but wont be taking the gloves for Australia in a full time role IMO.
.he is now 3rd or 4th choice keeper for Victoria and his batting is too important.
I dont think Chappell's opinion will sway selectors and while the team are winning there wont be many changes....even Maddinson will be carried in the interests of development..both him and Wade have failed
with the bat in recent times but the team have been after quick runs and have thrown their wickets away.
Justin Langar will be the next national coach and I expect WA's Whiteman will be the next keeper in waiting...Yorkshire born, handy with the bat and Ashes tour coming up.....

The politics of cricket in Australia are extreme, that is why I posed the earlier question.

EB1, this Handscomb for Wicket Keeper noise surfaced over the weekend coming out of NSW Grade Cricket and quickly propagated around Australia. Handscomb is a serious alternative to Smith for Captain and the NSW Cricket Mafia know that making Handscomb look like a wicket keeping alternative pretty much deals him out as far as captaincy is concerned.

Better to pose that question about Handscomb than ask why Smith removed Lyon from the attack after an over that generated two chances, to bowl Maddinson for what everyone thought was going to be a change of ends, only to be proven wrong when Bird resumed at the other end and Maddinson kept bowling!
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Post by: LP on December 19, 2016, 02:28:55 pm
Smith is just guessing, this bloke doesn't know what he is doing, and it shows in the body language of his team-mates and opposition!
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Post by: Professer E on December 19, 2016, 02:54:46 pm
Why is Smith getting pumped over his captaincy? I'd be asking Starc why he bowls crap and serves up soft runs and messes up whatever plan is being organised.
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Post by: Professer E on December 19, 2016, 03:30:25 pm
....and typically he bowls a  Jaffa and basically wins the game.

I don't know where it's going to come from but we need a fifth bowling option.
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Post by: DJC on December 19, 2016, 03:32:31 pm
....and typically he bowls a  Jaffa and basically wins the game.

I don't know where it's going to come from but we need a fifth bowling option.

Well done Prof - got us over the line  ;)

Good result for cricket and the crowds at the MCG.
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Post by: laj on December 19, 2016, 07:20:40 pm
....and typically he bowls a  Jaffa and basically wins the game.

I don't know where it's going to come from but we need a fifth bowling option.

Hilton Cartwright might be worth a thought. Batting all rounder averaging 44 in FC cricket and was in the recent ODI squad.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 19, 2016, 09:57:57 pm
Hilton Cartwright might be worth a thought. Batting all rounder averaging 44 in FC cricket and was in the recent ODI squad.

Yep and Hilton Cartwright is a much more impressive name than Mitch Marsh ;)..apologies to anyone named Mitch on the forum
I like Cartwright also but I think Stoinis from Victoria on his home deck might be first in line....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 19, 2016, 10:30:55 pm
I am very glad the Aussies got it together to win against a good team, but our weaknesses are still fairly obvious.

[1] Wicket Keeper: there isn't an obvious candidate. There are a number of guys who are decent, but we got spoilt having the sort of keepers since Rod Marsh. These guys could bat like a top order player, keep to the best spinners and the best quicks. No offense, but we had 20 - 30 years of being spoilt. Now we have lost that edge and our keepers are not quite that good. It makes a real difference.

There are at least 3 guys going around have been tried. They are not bad, but ... Then there are a couple of kids. Firstly the kids have to displace the keeper that are already there; not an easy task.
I can't see us solving this problem for a few years yet. I would expect the Australian side to keep cycling keepers through. I am not a fan of Wade on really low, spinning pitches. he doesn't do that well to spin bowling.

[2] Spinner: Lyon is statistically the best offie to play for Australia: he has taken more wickets and bowled in more tests. However, that shows, as much as anything, how few top notch finger spinners have played for Australia. The Aussie team has always been the home to the wrist spinner and probably still would be if we had one to do the job.
We don't have one to do the job. One of the reasons is that Australian pitches are not designed to fall apart like sub-continental pitches. The drop in style pitch, prevalent at all of the best venues, does not break up much. Therefore spinner do NOT get the exposure at top levels. And without the guile, the experience and a suitable pitch at least sometimes, leggies don't even shield games.
I would like to see left arm wrist spinners as well, as a LOT of top order bats are lefties these days, but...

Lyon isn't a bad spinner, but he does not have the magic or the variety to make things happen. The young Shane Warne really did.

[3] Batting Depth: we have finally tried some younger batsmen; a positive sign that may well deliver. But we are still hugely dependent on Smith, Warner and, to a much lesser extent, Khawaja. When they fail, Aussie teams struggle to make runs.
I am not sure Maddinson has what it takes, but 2 of the 3 have worked so far. I am willing to give Maddinson a little longer, but his style of play is too much 100 or a duck for me (with too many ducks).

[4] Part time bowlers: I am amazed that we see so little of Smith or Warner bowling. Both of them have talent as spinners, yet neither rolls the arm over. After that, who?
Strong Australian teams had a number of guys who could bowl either medium pace (swing) or spin. Doug Walters was a great partnership breaker. Lehmann bowled better than his nude nuts suggested. Ponting under bowled himself, as he did swing the ball. Border was willing to bowl himself and both of the Waugh brothers with success.

Yes, the team is calling out for an all-rounder, but Australian cricket seems to be producing one day or 20;20 all-rounders, not guys of test quality.
Maybe Mitch Marsh will make it, as his bowling has potential, but he is not a test class batsman. When the ball moves, he goes out.

[5] batting against the moving ball: we appear to be very poor at it, whether it is cut, spin or swing. First class bats don't see much of it: our pitches are too good for too long. We need to start becoming more creative to give our bats the experience with swinging balls, spinning decks and green tops. Otherwise we will continue to struggle.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on December 20, 2016, 07:03:11 am
One change for the Boxing Day test.

Maddinson out and Travis Head in. A bloody good batsman and an OK sort of extra bowler.
Future captain material too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 20, 2016, 08:28:53 am
Why is Smith getting pumped over his captaincy? I'd be asking Starc why he bowls crap and serves up soft runs and messes up whatever plan is being organised.

I know it can seem like an excuse to target Smith, but some significant portion of the playing performances are attributable to the tactics being used on the field. It could of course be deliberate, in that perhaps Smith hasn't got the team he wants and he is manipulating the situation like Waugh did previously, but that would be extreme to almost cause a world record loss!

If you want to know who to listen to then freely ignore me and listen to Mark "Tubby" Taylor's criticism of Smith. Taylor is the best captain Australia's had in the last 40 years, and by some margin!

Smith is lucky Richie Benaud is gone because Richie would have torn him a new one!
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Post by: crashlander on December 20, 2016, 12:00:00 pm
One change for the Boxing Day test.

Maddinson out and Travis Head in. A bloody good batsman and an OK sort of extra bowler.
Future captain material too.
Travis Head does come with the ability to bowl a bit and the willingness to do it. That is something, because we have a number of guys who can but won't. head is also the sort of middle order player who can play a number of roles: he is not just a smash and crash player.
Maddinson works better at the top of the order, for what it is worth. He looks lost at #6. His issues against the moving ball make a interesting question as to where, or if, to play him.

I can't see the selectors making changes unless there is an injury, but that is one of the problems with Australian Cricket: we only learn from failure.
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Post by: DJC on December 20, 2016, 12:20:39 pm
Travis Head does come with the ability to bowl a bit and the willingness to do it. That is something, because we have a number of guys who can but won't. head is also the sort of middle order player who can play a number of roles: he is not just a smash and crash player.
Maddinson works better at the top of the order, for what it is worth. He looks lost at #6. His issues against the moving ball make a interesting question as to where, or if, to play him.

I can't see the selectors making changes unless there is an injury, but that is one of the problems with Australian Cricket: we only learn from failure.

It has always been harder to get out of the test team than to get in.  I really don't understand why they don't just pick the best team for the occasion.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 20, 2016, 12:31:10 pm
Maddinson is a one day player, zero technique, wont make a run in England against the moving ball...
Head is probably is a bit tighter in defense and capable of building an innings, wouldnt get too carried away with his bowling though....I keep seeing Kholi batting and the ball disappearing into a sea of Indian spectators... ;)
Handscomb is another player I have concerns about vs the moving ball in English conditions, has that strange stance which is working for him here and allows for his favourite back cut but vs the Poms who bowl on the money outswing I can a lot of slips fielders getting plenty of work.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 20, 2016, 01:03:54 pm
Handscomb has been exposed to English conditions several times, and was previously signed by Gloucestershire for the 2015 season. So I would reserve judgement.

If we are worried about Handscomb we should be petrified for Warner, Smith and Wade. Yet they have also done well in the UK in previous seasons.
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Post by: laj on December 20, 2016, 04:31:05 pm
Yep and Hilton Cartwright is a much more impressive name than Mitch Marsh ;)..apologies to anyone named Mitch on the forum
I like Cartwright also but I think Stoinis from Victoria on his home deck might be first in line....

Cartwright has been added to the squad now.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/cartwright-called-into-australian-squad-for-boxing-day-test/8136146?section=sport
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 20, 2016, 04:35:30 pm
Cartwright has been added to the squad now.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/cartwright-called-into-australian-squad-for-boxing-day-test/8136146?section=sport

Bit of a punt, but good aussie selection policy has always seen young players promoted on talent and sometimes not a long shield career of consistent results.
Good luck to him and I think he should play in place of Maddinson...
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Post by: laj on December 20, 2016, 10:06:58 pm
Bit of a punt, but good aussie selection policy has always seen young players promoted on talent and sometimes not a long shield career of consistent results.
Good luck to him and I think he should play in place of Maddinson...

He has a Shield average of 44.5 so hopefully he'll do the job as a batting all rounder. Yes, certainly should replace Maddinson.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 30, 2016, 07:36:40 pm
That was some win out of no-where. We've been alot better since Hobart.

Agar and O'Keefe have been selected for the next Test replacing Maddinson and Sayers in the 13 man squad.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 30, 2016, 08:46:04 pm
Makes me sick this rubbish. They are basically trying to lever Lyon out of the team, despite the fact he started today's rout of Pakistan.

At the end of the game as the team was walking off the TV showed a close up shot of Smith and Warner side by side just as the crowd started chanting for Lyon. The look on their faces said a million words, like someone had stolen their chocolates! You can't hide that sort of involuntary response, and it says a million things about they way they think!

Earlier in the day you saw a concerted effort by Slater to boost O'Keefe's cause with Neville's demise as a side show, just minutes after Lyon had captured the key wickets. Warne responded in commentary aggressively defending the positions of Lyon and Wade and labelled O'Keefe a white ball cricketer. Slater demeanor shrunk, he had graphics and statistics ready to pump up O'Keefe's tyres and Warne deflated them before they even had a chance to run the graphic!  In the same break Chappell and Taylor tried to get Lehman to pot Wade and they failed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 30, 2016, 08:47:18 pm
That was some win out of no-where. We've been alot better since Hobart.

Agar and O'Keefe have been selected for the next Test replacing Maddinson and Sayers in the 13 man squad.

Was a good win given the conditions, reckon Warner laid the foundation with his century and Smith/Starc were the icing on the cake.
Paki's fought it out in the last test but didnt show much fight or competitive nature in this one...Azhar excepted, he has one of the finest techniques in the game
and is a gun player. Australia really is a graveyard for spinners, Yasir Shah is highly rated but looks a buffet of rubbish when he bowls out here and has been disappointing.
Given how overseas spinners have performed I think Nathan Lyon gets harsh criticism and does as well as any other spinner who plays on Aus wickets....

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 30, 2016, 09:33:59 pm
That was an amazing win considering the time lost to bad weather  :o

I think we desperately need a 5th bowler ... who can bat.  The question is whether we go for a medium pacer or a spinner, ie Cartwright or Agar.

While I think that commentators should be free to express their opinions, they should be informed, unbiased opinions, not shameless attempts to promote their favourites over more deserving cricketers.  Warney may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he calls it as he sees it and doesn't get involved in the bullcrape that some of our ex-cricketers thrive on.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 30, 2016, 10:58:22 pm
That was an amazing win considering the time lost to bad weather  :o

I think we desperately need a 5th bowler ... who can bat.  The question is whether we go for a medium pacer or a spinner, ie Cartwright or Agar.

While I think that commentators should be free to express their opinions, they should be informed, unbiased opinions, not shameless attempts to promote their favourites over more deserving cricketers.  Warney may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he calls it as he sees it and doesn't get involved in the bullcrape that some of our ex-cricketers thrive on.

Medium Pacer for me as the 5th bowler.....Aus wickets dont help the spinners enough....South African and English wickets help the seamers more as does NZ. Its really only India that helps the spinners and where you need a spinning allrounder IMO.
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Post by: DJC on December 30, 2016, 11:18:44 pm
Medium Pacer for me as the 5th bowler.....Aus wickets dont help the spinners enough....South African and English wickets help the seamers more as does NZ. Its really only India that helps the spinners and where you need a spinning allrounder IMO.

I think that's right EB but the commentators were emphasising the likely turn from the Sydney pitch.  Are they just pumping up O'Keefe's chances?

My preference is for a medium pacer who can maintain pressure on the batters - and score runs.
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Post by: JonHenry on December 31, 2016, 03:40:37 am
I think Agar as we are playing in Sydney and then heading to India. We need our best team for the conditions.
O'Keefe is no certainty to see out the tour and at 32??? Is not getting any younger.
Wade is not up to it. Hasn't made the runs he was brought in to make. Not a great keeper and will be exposed in India.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on December 31, 2016, 06:59:48 am
Agar in the 11 for Maddison.

We need an extra spinner for Sydney.
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Post by: malo on December 31, 2016, 06:00:29 pm
Agar in the 11 for Maddison.

We need an extra spinner for Sydney.

I agree, Agar over O'Keefe.  Lyon has to stay in, particularly as it's finally a decent spin friendly wicket for him to have a go on.  O'Keefe is the "safe" option, no future there.  Agar has the ability to bat 7, or maybe even 6 one day if he worked hard on the batting, depends on what he wants to prioritise.  He is an extremely gifted striker...he'd bat ahead of Wade atm.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 31, 2016, 06:57:23 pm
From what I'm hearing, one of the fast bowlers will be rested and Cartwright and another spinner will come in.

Lehman was quite outspoken in his assessment of Lyon as the best Aussie spinner and Smith gave strong support to Wade.  I reckon the latter has to make runs in Sydney though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 31, 2016, 07:54:42 pm
Agree with Kevin Pietersen, Glen Maxwell should be in the test tsquad, pity he isnt in sync with the establishment and some of the key personnel because he is a very talented player. He got carried away with himself for sure and his attitude was that of a knob who thought he had made it but he deserves a second chance IMO and I'd be taking him to India.
Okeefe is a one day bowler IMO ...Agar is an unknown to me, clearly has talent but I hope the 20/20 game doesnt ruin his skills for test cricket...I'd be picking Agar ahead of Okeefe and using India as a training camp for him to improve his spin bowling..

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Post by: laj on December 31, 2016, 09:41:57 pm
Agree with Kevin Pietersen, Glen Maxwell should be in the test tsquad, pity he isnt in sync with the establishment and some of the key personnel because he is a very talented player. He got carried away with himself for sure and his attitude was that of a knob who thought he had made it but he deserves a second chance IMO and I'd be taking him to India.
Okeefe is a one day bowler IMO ...Agar is an unknown to me, clearly has talent but I hope the 20/20 game doesnt ruin his skills for test cricket...I'd be picking Agar ahead of Okeefe and using India as a training camp for him to improve his spin bowling..

Actually O'Keefe has the outstanding bowling average of 23 in First Class cricket and 55 in the one day game so don't be listening to Warnie on that one. His batting average is 30, higher than Agar's too, which is 26. On figures he's actually well ahead of Agar on both counts. If we go a 2nd spinner it'd be O'Keefe for sure IMO. Actually have him ahead of Lyon. Prefer the 3 quicks with one spinner in Sydney though. That's where we go best.

I'd like Maxwell to hold down no.6 as an all rounder as his off-spin would allow us to hit the Poms with all 4 pace bowlers, Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins and Pattinson, which could be lethal.

Just hope he could hold that position down.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 31, 2016, 09:43:47 pm
I think Agar as we are playing in Sydney and then heading to India. We need our best team for the conditions.
O'Keefe is no certainty to see out the tour and at 32??? Is not getting any younger.
Wade is not up to it. Hasn't made the runs he was brought in to make. Not a great keeper and will be exposed in India.

Wade will eventually bat well. Has 2 Test centuries, five 50s and averaged 34 in Tests before he was bought back. He's just out of touch but will come good. Likely to bat ok in India but on spinning tracks his keeping could be scary as you suggested. Agar's well behind O'Keefe on first class figures, batting or bowling, especially bowling with averages of 23 v 40. On a first class average here of 40 Agar will get spanked in India. Both Agar and O'Keefe played in India in the two-match 'A' series in Chennai between the two nations last year. O'Keefe took 14 wickets at 20 in the two matches and Agar three at 31 from one.

Anyway, no-one wins in India, everyone gets a flogging. If we get close they'll just produce a dirty, dry dusty turner next Test. We will get smacked 4-0 so i'm just focused ahead on next years Ashes. We flog India the next time they are here. The result in India won't affect my judgement of the team at all. Last time we lost in India 4-0 we pumped the Poms later that year 5-0.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 01, 2017, 01:21:44 pm
Wade will eventually bat well. Has 2 Test centuries, five 50s and averaged 34 in Tests before he was bought back. He's just out of touch but will come good. Likely to bat ok in India but on spinning tracks his keeping could be scary as you suggested. Agar's well behind O'Keefe on first class figures, batting or bowling, especially bowling with averages of 23 v 40. On a first class average here of 40 Agar will get spanked in India.

Anyway, no-one wins in India, everyone gets a flogging. If we get close they'll just produce a dirty, dry dusty turner next Test. We will get smacked 4-0 so i'm just focused ahead on next years Ashes. We flog India the next time they are here. The result in India won't affect my judgement of the team at all. Last time we lost in India 4-0 we pumped the Poms later that year 5-0.

The reason I prefer Agar is his height and also being a left Armer.
Indian conditions are just as often about bounce as they are spin.
We could potentially play all 3 in India though.
At present we are getting nothing out of number 6 and haven't for some time.
Wades keeping will cost more wickets in India than Neville. Wickets you can't afford to miss.
I agree it's the toughest of tours but you have to turn up to compete with your best side.
They are tougher and fitter than ever, so cutting of boundaries like we did in the series when Gilchrist captained won't be the answer but it might be a start.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 01, 2017, 05:33:01 pm
Wade must just about to be handed a ticket on the last coach outta town..... Maybe we could look at Whiteman or somebody else for Syd-nee?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2017, 05:52:01 pm
The reason I prefer Agar is his height and also being a left Armer.
Indian conditions are just as often about bounce as they are spin.
We could potentially play all 3 in India though.
At present we are getting nothing out of number 6 and haven't for some time.
Wades keeping will cost more wickets in India than Neville. Wickets you can't afford to miss.
I agree it's the toughest of tours but you have to turn up to compete with your best side.
They are tougher and fitter than ever, so cutting of boundaries like we did in the series when Gilchrist captained won't be the answer but it might be a start.

Do agree on plenty then, although i'm still more to with O'Keefe.

I had a more long-winded reply but after clearing our my rum bottle last night I was starting to dribble crape...lol!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2017, 05:54:16 pm
Wade must just about to be handed a ticket on the last coach outta town..... Maybe we could look at Whiteman or somebody else for Syd-nee?

Too late, Wade is in...lol. Sure his batting will pick up though. It'll be his last Test for a while though as while his keeping has been ok here this year, India is not the place for him to keep.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 02, 2017, 10:42:22 am
O'Keefe preferred over Agar - no surprise given their home states  ::)

It will be interesting to see how Cartwright goes.
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Post by: Professer E on January 02, 2017, 10:55:29 am
After watching the BB last night I can't see S. Marsh getting a gig at test level in the near future. Awful.
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Post by: crashlander on January 02, 2017, 11:39:40 am
Too late, Wade is in...lol. Sure his batting will pick up though. It'll be his last Test for a while though as while his keeping has been ok here this year, India is not the place for him to keep.
Wade has struggled in India before. Even with his work ethic, I can't see him making the stumping that wins a test match.
It will be interesting to see if his batting can come good, as he is more than useful with the bat. But his form with the willow has been less than outstanding this season.

Once upon a time Tim Paine would have been considered to be the answer, but he has not managed to find anything like the form he would require to be considered as yet. And, as a batsman, he has always disappointed. He has much more talent than he has shown in test cricket, or at any level since his return from injury.

The wicket keeping spot must make the selectors lose sleep.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 02, 2017, 10:19:14 pm
Geez that Stanlake was impressive for the Strikers
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 03, 2017, 01:03:00 pm
Geez that Stanlake was impressive for the Strikers

He landed one at 148kph last night. Very impressive.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 03, 2017, 01:29:19 pm
He landed one at 148kph last night. Very impressive.

Its the bounce from a good length that impresses me about Stanlake
I see David Willey has been replaced by Tim Bresnan for the Scorchers.....Willey is impressive and I am not surprised he has been called up by England, could even end up playing test cricket IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 03, 2017, 04:18:19 pm
Its the bounce from a good length that impresses me about Stanlake
I see David Willey has been replaced by Tim Bresnan for the Scorchers.....Willey is impressive and I am not surprised he has been called up by England, could even end up playing test cricket IMO.

Agree it would be tough facing Starc, Hazlewood and Stanlake at Brisbane in the first ashes test next year
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Post by: DJC on January 03, 2017, 07:19:40 pm
Young Davey did OK this morning  :o

Renshaw was pretty good too, apart from playing a bouncer with his cheekbone.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 03, 2017, 07:27:53 pm
Young Davey did OK this morning  :o

Renshaw was pretty good too, apart from playing a bouncer with his cheekbone.

Pakistan must be back on the punt....they were woeful, fielding is disgraceful and the captain the worst, some of their work looked very sus.
Imran Khan the II was bowling at 122k's about as menacing as a maccas soft serve on a 40 degree day, the real Imran would have been embarrassed watching him. ....Sarfraz missed an easy stumping IMO and more dropped catches...this mob are either terrible or we need a stewards enquiry.
Warner and Renshaw did play well but you would get more opposition  playing Mont Albert subbies U16's than this mob...
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Post by: Professer E on January 03, 2017, 10:59:56 pm
Maybe pumping the odds up for later on.... Almost won the unwinnable, lost the unloseable, what odds on a Lazarus-like performance in Sydney?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 04, 2017, 12:21:24 am
I'm not sure that they were all that bad considering the circumstances.  Their bowling really hasn't got into a rhythm during the series and that has got to impact on other aspects of their game.

I reckon we'd be doing well to be competitive in the last game of an away season where we're facing a whitewash!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 04, 2017, 10:44:23 am
I think the changes in the Aussie list have been nothing but positive.


It's clear players like Renshaw and Handscomb have the demeanour to bat for long periods, something we have lacked for a long time. All they need to do is gain confidence in their own techniques and they be fine.

I particularly like Handscomb's "leaves" today and yesterday, show real maturity. Looks to be prepared to set himself before he scores, he doesn't look like giving his wicket away! Very reminiscent of Gower!
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Post by: laj on January 04, 2017, 02:13:02 pm
Cartwright look good for his 37. Techniaque was solid and, like Handscomb and Renshaw, valued his wicket. Got to face 97 balls. If he does ok with the ball too, and that's all we want, he'll be a handy aquistition. Just need Cummins fit and the side will be ripe for the Ashes next year.

We'll get wiped in India on their crape, doctored-up pitches, but thinking we'll pump the Poms. The Perth and Hobart debacles, especially the latter, have been such a blessing in disquise. Forced us to change things up.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 04, 2017, 07:08:08 pm
Cartwright look good for his 37. Techniaque was solid and, like Handscomb and Renshaw, valued his wicket. Got to face 97 balls. If he does ok with the ball too, and that's all we want, he'll be a handy aquistition. Just need Cummins fit and the side will be ripe for the Ashes next year.

We'll get wiped in India on their crape, doctored-up pitches, but thinking we'll pump the Poms. The Perth and Hobart debacles, especially the latter, have been such a blessing in disquise. Forced us to change things up.

Wont need to doctor their pitches even this time...Kholi and crew will take Okeefe, Lyon etc  apart.......Okeefe hardly spun a ball today, reckon we would have been better going the three pace bowlers.
Cartwright looked good batting but his bowling is very friendly and he will be buffet material in India.....its a pity Mitch Marsh cant improve his batting technique as he is the only allrounder we have who can
bowl with any menace..
Think we should beat England on our own soil, though I wont want to see Moeen Ali batting at 7 or 8 like he did in the previous English ashes series....dont think we can bowl them out with our present lineup  if that happens.
When Starc and Hazlewood are not bowling we dont look like taking a wicket...Azhar Ali has worked out if you see them off its pretty easy work, need to get Pat Cummins into the team and on the tour of India and sharpen him up for the Poms....be great if Pattinson was also available and we had the 4 big quicks playing vs the English.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 05, 2017, 04:16:13 pm
O'Keefe looking pretty average here
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Post by: DJC on January 13, 2017, 06:14:37 pm
Great century by Wade.  It should give us a fighting chance.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 13, 2017, 08:05:56 pm
Great century by Wade.  It should give us a fighting chance.

Depends what the odds are and how many the Pakis can make ...er US dollars or British Pounds that is ..think they like the latter, Wade should thank Amir for those waste high full tosses on leg stump late in the innings,....my money is on the Aussies and easily, noticed Azhar has walked off the ground and retired hurt,  think thats the ball game....
Hafeez should get an academy award for that dropped catch at slip too.....bet if that had been a bag of british pounds he would have caught it with one hand and had time to wave to Amir in the dressing room with the other...Babar couldnt have guided that ball to first slip any better either.....


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 13, 2017, 08:44:38 pm
Typical Mitch Marsh... Soaks up twenty balls and gets out.  Lucky that his medium pacers have some value.
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Post by: malo on February 09, 2017, 10:00:12 am
This is great to hear......exactly the attitude to take.  Pat Cummins...take note.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/cricket/pattinson-is-back-and-ready-to-fight-for-a-spot-in-ashes/news-story/ffee6849cee2e56a7b2897856a781700

"James Pattinson has declared he wants to harden his body by bowling as many overs as possible ahead of next summer’s Ashes — and he’ll bowl them his way."

Really hope he gets back to his best.
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Post by: Thryleon on February 09, 2017, 10:14:41 am
What the take on Marcus Stoinis??

As a Greek, I always like to see my fellow Greeks producing.  I have no love for Cricket, but that doesnt mean I hate it.  Its just a sport that doesnt interest me.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 09, 2017, 10:43:02 am
What the take on Marcus Stoinis??

As a Greek, I always like to see my fellow Greeks producing.  I have no love for Cricket, but that doesnt mean I hate it.  Its just a sport that doesnt interest me.

I like Stoinis as a cricketer and think he is worth a try at test level, we have spent and wasted a lot of time trying to find our Botham/Flintoff allrounder type and while Stoinis isnt anywhere near that
calibre especially in terms of bowling I think he is a capable player who might blossom with opportunity.
Has a reasonable batting technique, bowls decent line and has that handy knack of picking up wickets..
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Post by: malo on February 10, 2017, 08:10:20 am
I like Stoinis as a cricketer and think he is worth a try at test level, we have spent and wasted a lot of time trying to find our Botham/Flintoff allrounder type and while Stoinis isnt anywhere near that
calibre especially in terms of bowling I think he is a capable player who might blossom with opportunity.
Has a reasonable batting technique, bowls decent line and has that handy knack of picking up wickets..

I am very impressed with Stoinis.  His bowling is more penetrative than Hilton Cartright for a start (I see him as a Steve Waugh type of relief bowler) , and his batting is light years ahead of both he & Marsh.....should be groomed for the number 6 spot before the Ashes series I believe.  Cartright is just cannon fodder.
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Post by: Pratty on February 10, 2017, 02:13:05 pm
Stoinis should be in our Test IMO.

1. Renshaw
2. Warner
3. Khawaja
4. Smith
5. Head
6. Handscomb (wk)
7. Stoinis
8. Starc
9. Cummins
10. Hazlewood
11. Zampa

Or...
Renshaw, Warner, Khawaja, Smith, Head, Handscomb (wk), Stoinis, Agar, Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood. 12th. J.Faulkner.

Sorry, I just don't want Nafe Lyon anymore. Who else is there we might ask?

I like Ashton Agar. Zampa has a bit about him I like and is getting international exposure at ODI level. Steve O'Keefe. Not for me. Others???
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Post by: LP on February 23, 2017, 06:02:06 pm
There is no way a cricket ball naturally looks so asymmetrically worn after 33 overs. Something is crook, it's falling apart like it's been hit with a grinder on one side. I'd be checking Indian pockets for the old sandpaper business card, or the sharp edged wedding ring!

Very suspect!
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Post by: crashlander on February 23, 2017, 08:33:35 pm
I do not understand why we continue to select Mitch Marsh. He is a flat track bully who cannot play the spinning or the swinging ball. His bowling is adequate, but I would not pick him for that alone.

We can complain about the ball (it is suspect) and we can complain about the pitch (not up to test standard, unlike the previous one), but if we shoot ourselves on the selection table, we have only ourselves to blame.
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Post by: laj on February 23, 2017, 09:01:18 pm
Good ol' Indian 8th day pitch on the first day.

Just get the 4-0 flogging done on their doctored up pitches so we can focus on the Ashes.
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Post by: Bear on February 23, 2017, 09:06:41 pm
I'll take a 4-0 flogging if it means Shaun Marsh never plays for Australia ever again.
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Post by: Professer E on February 23, 2017, 09:06:52 pm
Why in ^$)%*&'s name do we continue to pick these Marsh blokes... Mitch Marsh ? Seriously, WTF?

Wade is skating on thin ice as well, needs runs even more that Mitch Marsh, and that's saying something.
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Post by: Bear on February 23, 2017, 09:12:43 pm
Wade was a little stiff... but won't last long if he doesn't make runs.

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Post by: flyboy77 on February 23, 2017, 10:20:27 pm
How good is Tim Paine looking?

just needs to get his batting prowess back!
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Post by: LP on February 24, 2017, 04:53:07 pm
Over O'Keefe already, just doesn't deserve a spot yet!

We shouldn't take spinners to India if they can't bowl two balls the same.
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Post by: Professer E on February 24, 2017, 04:59:25 pm
X2...... Gives nuthin with the bat and bowling is innocuous.  Just not quite good enough.  Agar?
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Post by: LP on February 24, 2017, 05:04:55 pm
X2...... Gives nuthin with the bat and bowling is innocuous.  Just not quite good enough.  Agar?

Yep Agar for me, a much better long term prospect.

Otherwise I think Holland as a pure bowling option shows far more control and would be suited to the conditions.
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Post by: Bear on February 24, 2017, 06:25:08 pm
Holy crap!
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Post by: laj on February 24, 2017, 06:26:38 pm
Over O'Keefe already, just doesn't deserve a spot yet!

We shouldn't take spinners to India if they can't bowl two balls the same.

Lol!!!! He has 3/31

Almost fell off my chair when I saw India were 7/95.

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Post by: Professer E on February 24, 2017, 06:35:03 pm
Make that four and it should have been five... Pleased to see him turn it around but they must finish the job now.
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Post by: Bear on February 24, 2017, 06:38:10 pm
Now I'm worried we are going to get bowled out for 30!
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Post by: laj on February 24, 2017, 06:41:03 pm
Now it's 5 for SOK. 9/101.

India will doctor the wicket now for the next Test and produce a raging green top...ool.
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Post by: LP on February 24, 2017, 06:46:08 pm
Now I'm worried we are going to get bowled out for 30!

Yep, biased commentators spent the last 24 hrs defending "A good cricket wicket". Now the Aussies must bat long and let it deteriorate, then the India BCC will string up the curator!

Great result for O'Keefe, but they know him now and the top order won't let him off lightly. Three rank slogs, two wickets to Indian batting arrogance and one great delivery and catch!
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Post by: laj on February 24, 2017, 06:52:20 pm
Make that four and it should have been five... Pleased to see him turn it around but they must finish the job now.

Now 6 and all out 105.
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Post by: laj on February 24, 2017, 06:56:04 pm
Yep, biased commentators spent the last 24 hrs defending "A good cricket wicket". Now the Aussies must bat long and let it deteriorate, then the India BCC will string up the curator!

Great result for O'Keefe, but they know him now and the top order won't let him off lightly. Three rank slogs, two wickets to Indian arrogance and one great delivery and catch!

Look at this, opened your mouth now trying to spin your way out of it. 6 wickets!!!!

You don't have a first class bowling average of 23 over many, many games by being a mug.
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Post by: LP on February 24, 2017, 07:02:06 pm
Look at this, opened your mouth now trying to spin your way out of it. 6 wickets!!!!

You don't have a first class bowling average of 23 over many, many games by being a mug.

Did you actually see the wickets, because your post suggests not!

The Indian meltdown made The China Syndrome look like a pot boiling over.

The Indians thought they were going to belt the suitcase out of the Aussie bowlers on a rank wicket. It'll be a massive mistake if Australia tries to do the same in their 2nd innings.
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Post by: Bear on February 24, 2017, 07:07:19 pm
The pitch is a disgrace... but both teams have to bat on it.

Low scoring matches are always the best!
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Post by: LP on February 24, 2017, 07:10:28 pm
The pitch is a disgrace... but both teams have to bat on it.

Low scoring matches are always the best!

I've seen pitches like this one become benign late in matches. They break up so much the heavy roller fills in the cracks and can turn it to a road. Australia need a 350+ lead to be safe!
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Post by: Bear on February 24, 2017, 07:16:17 pm
Marsh just made a 21 ball duck!
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Post by: DJC on February 24, 2017, 08:17:59 pm
It looks like Renshaw will have the most runs  ;)
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Post by: crashlander on February 24, 2017, 08:37:22 pm
Marsh just made a 21 ball duck!
He is just not good enough. He doesn't have his father's indomitable will. He gets out too easily.
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Post by: DJC on February 24, 2017, 09:16:12 pm
Into the tail already at 4 for 114  ::)

I reckon that we need at least another 100 runs and bat for a significant time tomorrow.
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Post by: DJC on February 24, 2017, 10:02:37 pm
Into the tail already at 4 for 114  ::)

I reckon that we need at least another 100 runs and bat for a significant time tomorrow.

I take it back, Mitch Marsh did quite well and holding out until stumps is one goal achieved.

Another hundred runs would be nice but 50-60 should give us a pretty good chance, particularly if the ball keeps low for Starc and Hazlewood.
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Post by: JonHenry on February 25, 2017, 09:56:32 am
Anyway, no-one wins in India, everyone gets a flogging. If we get close they'll just produce a dirty, dry dusty turner next Test. We will get smacked 4-0 so i'm just focused ahead on next years Ashes. We flog India the next time they are here. The result in India won't affect my judgement of the team at all. Last time we lost in India 4-0 we pumped the Poms later that year 5-0.

Glad we turned up Jim.
Still could get done but the Aussies will get a lot out of this
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 11:49:51 am
Glad we turned up Jim.
Still could get done but the Aussies will get a lot out of this

No one is more shocked than me..lol. I'm sure we're all a bit surprised.

Win this one then just have to sneak another and the worst you get is a drawn series. Getting a bit ahead of myself but a win here and u never know.
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Post by: LP on February 25, 2017, 03:17:42 pm
India changing tactics today, looking to slow the game down.

Smith dropped on 67, weird match, not sure what India are up to with Ashwin bowling off-breaks on Smith's leg stump.

This outfield is becoming faster than a bowling alley, Australia will need more runs than people think!

On queue, Marsh out!

Wade lunging at the ball, then sweeping like it's pre-determined, won't last long if he doesn't start playing each pill on it's merits.

I reckon India are effectively down to four batsmen, KL Rahul looks cooked shoulder wise. But you never know when Indians are fielding!
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Post by: crashlander on February 25, 2017, 04:33:16 pm
I still have major concerns about the Marsh brothers, and, to a less extent, Wade. But I can't complain about how things have gone so far.
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 04:35:43 pm
Glad we turned up Jim.
Still could get done but the Aussies will get a lot out of this

Still turning up. 400 in front with 4 wickets still left.
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Post by: LP on February 25, 2017, 04:43:04 pm
Still turning up. 400 in front with 4 wickets still left.

India have entered this match with 5 batsmen each capable of batting for two days. In the first innings Starc offloaded two of then in an over. The rest of the Indian team went bananas and threw away their wickets.

KL Rahul is injured or faking injury to get off the field, perhaps to build up some energy to bat long. But even if his shoulder is stuffed that still leaves them with four blokes who are known long innings builders.

We should not be too comfortable with 8 sessions left to play, no rain and 38 degree heat forecast.

If we cannot knock them over Starc, Hazlewood and O'Keefe could be cooked before the 2nd test. Lyon is the only bloke we've got out there that can bowl all day and do it again tomorrow, but he doesn't have the captain's confidence.

For me it' a big mistake not trying to bat out another session.
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 07:02:29 pm
India 3/52 chasing 441.

O'Keefe 2/14.
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Post by: LP on February 25, 2017, 07:10:22 pm
Has all the hallmark of Indian bookmakers.
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 07:28:45 pm
India 5/89

O'Keefe 4/29. Makes 10 wickets for the match.
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 07:51:53 pm
Tea India 6/99

O'Keefe 5/33
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 08:27:50 pm
India all out 107.

O'Keefe 6/35 again
Lyon 4/53

Australia won by 333 runs.
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Post by: Bear on February 25, 2017, 08:31:00 pm
Amazing win.
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 08:35:13 pm
O'Keefe best ever figures by an Australian in India. 2nd best ever by a visiting player there behind Botham's 13/106.
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Post by: crashlander on February 25, 2017, 08:40:38 pm
India all out 107.

O'Keefe 6/35 again
Lyon 4/53

Australia won by 333 runs.
I was out for dinner. I couldn't believe the game was over! Amazing!

Can we repeat it? I doubt it, but who knows?
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 08:44:01 pm
I was out for dinner. I couldn't believe the game was over! Amazing!

Can we repeat it? I doubt it, but who knows?

Only if India doctor the wicket again..........lol!!!!!
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 08:48:19 pm
They gave Starc man of the match...seriously??? He batted very well and took two important wickets to set up momentum in the first innings but better than 12/70? Wouldn't think so.

EDIT: Take it back. Starc won something else. O'Keefe was man of the match.
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Post by: DJC on February 26, 2017, 04:57:38 pm
The last time I checked, the Indians were 4 for and I thought we could be in with a real chance.  I went to check on the scores again and it was game over and a win by 333 runs  :o

That is a magnificent effort by the Aussies and full marks to Smith and O'Keefe.  They have certainly answered their critics among the ex-captains' and ex-leg spinners' clubs.

One of the best aspects of the win is that we were able to take greater advantage of the doctored pitch :)
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 26, 2017, 08:10:13 pm
Rumour is the Indians won big off the field....
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Post by: DJC on February 26, 2017, 09:57:30 pm
Rumour is the Indians won big off the field....

Only among folk who gave us no chance EB ;)

It was too much of a shellacking for a fix and, as I understand it, spot betting rather than overall results is the favoured form of gambling on cricket.
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Post by: Professer E on February 27, 2017, 08:03:00 am
And Harbajhan Singh goes on to illustrate what a skunk of a human he is with some of the least gracious comments ever.
 
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Post by: flyboy77 on February 27, 2017, 09:39:40 am
Will give the lads an amazing confidence boost.

Will the Marsh brothers get another chance?
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Post by: Jack Burton on February 27, 2017, 01:18:25 pm
No way they'll change the team after that performance!
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Post by: crashlander on February 27, 2017, 01:37:16 pm
And Harbajhan Singh goes on to illustrate what a skunk of a human he is with some of the least gracious comments ever.
Alas, not all cricketers are nice. Not even all of ours. However, some of them lack more humanity than most, while others disconnect their brains before opening their mouths. You may place Mr. Singh where you will. :)

I was surprised by a number of the performances, very pleasantly indeed. But we should make changes. We really should. Whether we will is debateable. Teams who pull off a win like that are rarely changed much.
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Post by: DJC on February 27, 2017, 02:37:08 pm
Alas, not all cricketers are nice. Not even all of ours. However, some of them lack more humanity than most, while others disconnect their brains before opening their mouths. You may place Mr. Singh where you will. :)

I was surprised by a number of the performances, very pleasantly indeed. But we should make changes. We really should. Whether we will is debateable. Teams who pull off a win like that are rarely changed much.

Mr Singh is upset that his prediction of a 4-zip whitewash has fallen flat.

The Australian selectors tend to avoid changing a winning cricket team but a willingness to improve the team for the next match could send a message to India.  Khawaja seems to be out of favour but he would have to be a better option than SE Marsh.  MR Marsh made an important contribution in the second innings but I would prefer to see Maxwell as the all-rounder.  Another spinner who doesn't get great turn would now be seen as a great threat by the Indians  :)
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Post by: LP on February 27, 2017, 03:17:58 pm
Change will be key to producing another result, you won't see our bowlers getting 12 wickets from straight deliveries next test.
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Post by: flyboy77 on February 27, 2017, 04:35:28 pm
there will be no change to the 12, short of injury....
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Post by: LP on February 27, 2017, 04:43:37 pm
We won that test because we picked a side suited to the pitch, no based on reputations.

Should the next pitch be different, so should the team that runs out!
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Post by: flyboy77 on February 27, 2017, 05:33:37 pm
We won that test because we picked a side suited to the pitch, no based on reputations.

Should the next pitch be different, so should the team that runs out!

We won that Test because the Indians were over cocky, complacent and arrogant....

Not much to do with our lot to be honest.
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Post by: laj on February 27, 2017, 08:17:50 pm
Change will be key to producing another result, you won't see our bowlers getting 12 wickets from straight deliveries next test.

He doesn't average 22 with the ball in first class cricket by being a mug though.
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Post by: LP on February 27, 2017, 08:39:02 pm
He doesn't average 22 with the ball in first class cricket by being a mug though.

I agree LAJ, but he isn't Warne either.

Many of his wickets had nothing to do with his bowling and everything to do with the Indian batting, but he wasn't alone in that regard.

You mentioned your surprise when you thought Starc had won Man-of-the-Match. But given he took Australia's first innings from ordinary to acceptable, and then knocked over two of the world's top three batsmen in one over to start the rot, it wouldn't be so hard to claim he was the most influential player.

Without doubt India's overconfidence entering the match with only 5 batsmen and their elite top order failing under Starc, contributed to the rubbish batting by the Indian lower order and benefited O'Keefe greatly.

But regardless of the O'Keefe situation, that won't happen next match, and we should not expect the same formula to work.
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Post by: Professer E on February 27, 2017, 08:47:05 pm
Dunno, apparently 18 months planning went into this game and if they can stick to what has proven to be a successful style of play I'd expect it to remain so.

What concerns me more is that our batting remains very  fragile and the next collapse could occur at any time.   At some stage we are going to have to bat for 5+ sessions and I don't see it happening.

Pretty clear that the Indian spinner don't like big left handers that are prepared to punish anything hittable. 
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Post by: shadesy on February 28, 2017, 11:38:49 am
Dunno, apparently 18 months planning went into this game and if they can stick to what has proven to be a successful style of play I'd expect it to remain so.

What concerns me more is that our batting remains very  fragile and the next collapse could occur at any time.   At some stage we are going to have to bat for 5+ sessions and I don't see it happening.

Pretty clear that the Indian spinner don't like big left handers that are prepared to punish anything hittable.

I said this before the series started. I didnt think we would win the series, but they prepared and planned very well. The changes in the team in the summer, the 2 week camp in Dubai, The clear and evident batting and bowling plans executed. I was hoping they got the reward at some stage for the preparation and lo and behold it came quicker and faster than imagined.
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Post by: LP on March 04, 2017, 08:30:33 pm
India batting rubbish again, if Australia hadn't dropped Rahul twice India would've been all out by now!
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Post by: laj on March 04, 2017, 09:31:22 pm
India all out 189

Lyon 8/50

Australia 0/21
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Post by: DJC on March 05, 2017, 09:32:07 pm
Shaun Marsh equal top score and not out  :o  All is forgiven!

Lehmann deserves credit for the preparation and execution of a very good gameplan.  It's a far cry from the ad hoc approach we've taken to previous India tours.
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Post by: Professer E on March 05, 2017, 10:06:03 pm
Then chips it to mid on.  Top score and out.  Mentally exhausted you'd reckon.

Enough has been said about his brother... next.
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Post by: DJC on March 05, 2017, 10:35:11 pm
Well, we've batted for the entire day even if we only scored 197 runs in the day.  The batters' application can't be faulted.

This match could have any number of results, particularly if it rains, but I reckon we'd be in with a chance if we can get a 100 run lead on the first innings.
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Post by: JonHenry on March 06, 2017, 08:27:16 am
Our number 2 opener is a very good player, on home soil anyway....

Our number one opener looks like he could be a great.
What application and guts from a 20 year old.

Simple technique that will improve over time.
Doesn't go too hard at the ball, which is a great attribute on foreign pitches
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Post by: flyboy77 on March 06, 2017, 08:33:31 am
Well, we've batted for the entire day even if we only scored 197 runs in the day.  The batters' application can't be faulted.

This match could have any number of results, particularly if it rains, but I reckon we'd be in with a chance if we can get a 100 run lead on the first innings.

A decent lead on 1st innings is critical.....if they can get a 150-200 odd lead before we bat next, look out! We're due a collapse!
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Post by: Professer E on March 06, 2017, 09:37:46 am
At least they've had a fair dinkum go, can't knock that.

Application plus talent equals results.
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Post by: DJC on March 07, 2017, 04:06:49 pm
This Test looks like it's headed towards and interesting conclusion; India is 163 in front with two wickets left.

I reckon we're in with a chance if the lead is under 200.

Hazlewood has the bowling honours this innings and it's interesting that the pace bowlers have done the damage.
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Post by: JonHenry on March 07, 2017, 08:26:38 pm
Will be interesting to see if anyone gets dropped after this regardless of the result.
Warner and M Marsh surely must be looked at.
Warner doesn't look like he even has a plan, let alone executing one.
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Post by: Professer E on March 07, 2017, 08:47:58 pm
Warner is not reading the script and is not batting smart, but how a LH bat can be given LBW on a turning deck against a RH orthodox bowler staggers me. 

Wade isn't doing enough either and we must have seen the last of Mitch "lead boots" Marsh.  His brother is far too inconsistent for test level. 

They had a real go but batting last on such an appalling pitch was never going to end well.

Would have been nice to have seen Kohli choke on it but the Hollywood script doesn't apply to Australian cricket.
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Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 07, 2017, 08:53:36 pm
6 for 11 off 10 overs - straight back to the bad old days.

Batting not good enough under pressure again- too many passengers who don't look like they are going to make runs. But we are unlikely to make changes.
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Post by: DJC on March 07, 2017, 09:12:41 pm
6 for 11 off 10 overs - straight back to the bad old days.

Batting not good enough under pressure again- too many passengers who don't look like they are going to make runs. But we are unlikely to make changes.

Bad old days perhaps, but on a challenging pitch.  We really do need another top order batsman, and a quality all rounder to stiffen the middle order and chip in with a wicket or two.

I'd like to see Maxwell in the 11 for the next test but I agree that changes are unlikely.
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Post by: Bear on March 07, 2017, 10:47:58 pm
Pretty even match... dropped catches didn't help.

Read that Smith told S Marsh to "go" for a review... he misheard and walked off!
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Post by: Professer E on March 08, 2017, 08:10:49 am
I don't mind a doctored pitch, which is to be expected and evens up the contest between bat and ball, but a pitch which serves up grubbers on such a regular basis removes the skill aspect and turns batting into a lottery.

We lost this on day three when we didn't push on for another 50 or so runs, then we bowled poorly and let them get away. 
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Post by: madbluboy on March 08, 2017, 09:19:47 am
Good to see Kholi stand up to our bully boys. Reminds me of when Rantutunga stuck it up Warne, Healy and co back in the 96 world cup.
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Post by: malo on March 08, 2017, 09:57:55 am
Good to see Kholi stand up to our bully boys. Reminds me of when Rantutunga stuck it up Warne, Healy and co back in the 96 world cup.

Kohli is a yappy f8wit....good to see him scoring heaps of runs this series.
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Post by: malo on March 08, 2017, 10:11:56 am
Good to see Kholi stand up to our bully boys. Reminds me of when Rantutunga stuck it up Warne, Healy and co back in the 96 world cup.


....and I know what you're doing
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Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 08, 2017, 10:16:31 am
Bad old days perhaps, but on a challenging pitch.  We really do need another top order batsman, and a quality all rounder to stiffen the middle order and chip in with a wicket or two.

I'd like to see Maxwell in the 11 for the next test but I agree that changes are unlikely.
Yeah I agree it was a challenging pitch, but our record on 'challenging' pitches over the last 5 or so years is woeful. It's called 'test' cricket for a reason, and quality test batsmen find a way to score runs in difficult conditions.

Unquestionably you need another batsman in the team and drop Marsh. We have a bowling all rounder who has bowled 5 overs in 2 tests and doesn't look threatening at all. The problem is do you now pick Usman after the massive show of 'no confidence' in his batting ability in these conditions that the selectors and coach have shown? He won't have batted for 3 weeks by the next test. Maxwell couldn't do any worse than Marsh with either bat or ball, but that's not ringing endorsement either.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 08, 2017, 10:40:46 am
Looks like if we can we can win the last two tosses we can win the series 3-1 (or vice verse if we lose them) as batting last in these doctored up pitches is plainly diabolical. Ball spitting, spinning, bouncing abnormally, ball rolling along the ground. What a nightmare. 150 was a god awful chase on that pitch. No great blame on the batsmen. Where we lost it was on day 3 where we bowled badly, and that day Smith didn't have his best day as skipper. When we had then 4/120, only 33 ahead, we only needed one more wicket and we would've run though then like a dose of laxatives as India have been 5 out/all out all series. Problem was we let that 5th wicket put on 114 and it lost us the match as 188 was always likely to be out of reach.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 08, 2017, 10:44:14 am
What I find amazing is that Kohli asserts glancing up at the coaches box is cheating and not in the spirit of the game, while India continues to publicly badger and berate officials like umpires, 3rd umpires and match referees(Even fined for doing so!) to the point that pressure builds and even borderline DRS decisions are altered in their favor!

International cricket commentators are still pondering how Warner LBW was Umpires Call, while the very same people are wondering what Kohli was complaining about, but it's that fear of retribution established by Kohli public criticism that forces the pendulum in India's favor.

Kohli deliberately incites the crowd by belligerently disputing DRS when it fails to favor his team, that is every bit as much cheating as anything Smith has done!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 08, 2017, 10:47:16 am
Kohli is a yappy f8wit....good to see him scoring heaps of runs this series.

Not scoring runs but he has sucked Smith and crew in bigtime and got India back in the series...not sure why we continue to engage Kholi in the mind game stuff...
Smith looking at the dressing room for guidance on the review had his mind off the job and on Kholi..

On Dave Warner....looks a bit sick of International Cricket and touring IMO....needs a break...otherwise he might retire and stick to where the money is in IPL etc..IMHO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 08, 2017, 10:56:57 am
Not scoring runs but he has sucked Smith and crew in bigtime and got India back in the series...not sure why we continue to engage Kholi in the mind game stuff...
Smith looking at the dressing room for guidance on the review had his mind off the job and on Kholi..

On Dave Warner....looks a bit sick of International Cricket and touring IMO....needs a break...otherwise he might retire and stick to where the money is in IPL etc..IMHO.

There was some good individual batting performances given the pitch. Rahul and Pujara were outstanding scoring 80s/90s, as were S.Marsh and Renshaw scoring 60s. They were 100s, even big 100s, on any other pitch. 30's are the new 50. Even Wade's 40 was "big".

It's certainly different Test cricket  and certainly makes it interesting.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 08, 2017, 11:00:11 am
Looks like if we can we can win the last two tosses we can win the series 3-1 (or vice verse if we lose them) as batting last in these doctored up pitches is plainly diabolical. Ball spitting, spinning, bouncing abnormally, ball rolling along the ground. What a nightmare. 150 was a god awful chase on that pitch. No great blame on the batsmen. Where we lost it was on day 3 where we bowled badly, and that day Smith didn't have his best day as skipper. When we had then 4/120, only 33 ahead, we only needed one more wicket and we would've run though then like a dose of laxatives as India have been 5 out/all out all series. Problem was we let that 5th wicket put on 114 and it lost us the match as 188 was always likely to be out of reach.

Playing Mitch Marsh ahead of G. Maxwell also cost us dearly....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 08, 2017, 11:02:56 am
Playing Mitch Marsh ahead of G. Maxwell also cost us dearly....

Yes, once we were 4 down with M.Marsh to come I knew we were in trouble. Play Maxwell or another batsman. The spinners bowls so much we don't need a 5th bowler.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 08, 2017, 11:05:42 am
Yes, once we were 4 down with M.Marsh to come I knew we were in trouble. Play Maxwell or another batsman. The spinners bowls so much we don't need a 5th bowler.

Maxwell, on these pitches, a far, far better bowler than Mitch, and a much better bat too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 08, 2017, 11:06:56 am
Maxwell, on these pitches, a far, far better bowler than Mitch, and a much better bat too.

I'd think so too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 08, 2017, 11:14:47 am
Maxwell, on these pitches, a far, far better bowler than Mitch, and a much better bat too.

Not sure any batsmen can thrive on these wickets, the wickets are basically determining the outcome.

Maxwell plays a lot of cross bat shots from the crease, it's unlikely to lead to many significant innings on up and down turning pitches. The only things in his favor are experience in India and bowling variety.

In my opinion Marsh / Marsh / Wade are all making rookie mistakes, leading with the pads with bats besides. Sure get forward to the ball, but get forward with the bat and keep your pad back and angled down on these sort of wickets. Play well in front of your pads.

So far the best thing beside Lyon has been Wade's improved keeping, it's better than expected on a pretty crap wicket.

Finally, I had an interesting discussion at the pub last night. A fellow cricket enthusiast and long time player suggested the heavy bats Warner, Marsh, Wade, etc., use do not favor scoring in India. He thinks you need light weight bats that allow for very late and significant adjustments(Low interia, easy to move), lots of 1s and 2s with not so many boundaries.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 08, 2017, 11:23:43 am
Not sure any batsmen can thrive on these wickets, the wickets are basically determining the outcome.

Maxwell plays a lot of cross bat shots from the crease, it's unlikely to lead to many significant innings on up and down turning pitches. The only things in his favor are experience in India and bowling variety.

In my opinion Marsh / Marsh / Wade are all making rookie mistakes, leading with the pads with bats besides. Sure get forward to the ball, but get forward with the bat and keep your pad back and angled down on these sort of wickets. Play well in front of your pads.

So far the best thing beside Lyon has been Wade's improved keeping, it's better than expected on a pretty crap wicket.

Yes, you've done well if you get into the 30s on these pitches. There were some good individual innings in this Test, a couple of Indians but especially S.Marsh, Renshaw and to a lesser extent Wade's first innings, who were batting in conditions totally foreign.

Maxwell could go two ways. His cross batted shots could have the same effect as Starc, who's had a good series with the cross-bat slogging. His efforts with the bat put us in a great position in the First Test. Maxwell may similarly smash the spinners off their line or play a dumb shot and get himself out.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on March 08, 2017, 12:14:04 pm
Looks like if we can we can win the last two tosses we can win the series 3-1 (or vice verse if we lose them) as batting last in these doctored up pitches is plainly diabolical. Ball spitting, spinning, bouncing abnormally, ball rolling along the ground. What a nightmare.

So the first Test pitch was rated by the ICC as "poor"........

I agree, we need to win the next toss more than ever now.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 08, 2017, 05:11:41 pm
On Dave Warner....looks a bit sick of International Cricket and touring IMO....needs a break...otherwise he might retire and stick to where the money is in IPL etc..IMHO.

I think his lack of technique has been exposed, nothing more nothing less.
His stats on the sub continent and in England are poor.
Everyone said he would have issues with the moving ball when he first came on the scene, but he produced in Australia so he got a pass.
Time to look at the bigger picture and select players that have a technique and game plan for all conditions.
Renshaw is a prime example
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 08, 2017, 07:25:22 pm
Mitch Marsh has done a shoulder and has been ruled out of the remaining Tests.

While I don't like to see players injured, it may be a positive for the team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on March 08, 2017, 08:54:13 pm
Kohli deliberately incites the crowd by belligerently disputing DRS when it fails to favor his team, that is every bit as much cheating as anything Smith has done!

Kohli is the Sean Denham of international cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 09, 2017, 12:09:30 am
Kohli is the Sean Denham of international cricket.


Kholii is a star and is one of the best batsman in the world...Denham was a failed rover from Geelong who eked out a career at Essendon following great players around the park notably one G. Williams.
Test Cricket will survive through players like Kholi, sure we all want to slap him for being an obnoxious brat but hey thats how some of our blokes have played the game and prospered ie Dave Warner...Kholi is unusual in that he plays cricket hard and un Indian like with plenty of cheek and chat, makes for a great contest and I enjoy his contribution to the game.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 09, 2017, 12:19:39 am

Kholii is a star and is one of the best batsman in the world...Denham was a failed rover from Geelong who eked out a career at Essendon following great players around the park notably one G. Williams.
Test Cricket will survive through players like Kholi, sure we all want to slap him for being an obnoxious brat but hey thats how some of our blokes have played the game and prospered ie Dave Warner...Kholi is unusual in that he plays cricket hard and un Indian like with plenty of cheek and chat, makes for a great contest and I enjoy his contribution to the game.

Yes, I tend to agree.  Kohli's behaviour, while over the top, is no different to what we see from the Aussie test team ... and Smith was cheating!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on March 09, 2017, 01:02:39 am
We have too many batsmen who are flat-track bullies at home but get found out in places like the sub-continent where the ball turns on a different paced pitch.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on March 09, 2017, 01:04:25 am
Finally, I had an interesting discussion at the pub last night. A fellow cricket enthusiast and long time player suggested the heavy bats Warner, Marsh, Wade, etc., use do not favor scoring in India. He thinks you need light weight bats that allow for very late and significant adjustments(Low interia, easy to move), lots of 1s and 2s with not so many boundaries.

I'm in agreeance with that theory.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 09, 2017, 07:42:51 am
Kohli is the Sean Denham of international cricket.

I'd forgotten that name, or at least blotted it out of my memory.

But as much as Kohli irritates me he's a first class sportsmen, not a dead-set hack like Denham using gutter tactics to keep up with the big boys.

I'll probably have nightmares now you've refreshed my memory! :(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on March 09, 2017, 08:37:54 am
Re: bats... not sure they are actually "heavy"... even though they are massive. I'd doubt the Indians use "lighter" bats.

And players on both sides have struggled to make runs.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 09, 2017, 09:50:19 am
Re: bats... not sure they are actually "heavy"... even though they are massive. I'd doubt the Indians use "lighter" bats.

And players on both sides have struggled to make runs.

As I understand it, the dimensions of bats are controlled but weight isn't.  However, the difference between the lightest and heaviest bats is only around 200gm (say 15% of the heavier bats) and I think that the effect of that difference would be negligible for Test cricketers.

It would be interesting to look at the results of any biometric studies of cricket bat weight.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 09, 2017, 11:08:33 am
I purchased bats for both my kids this year and the technology in bats is amazing.  They are all relatively light and the "swing weight" (i.e. balance) is amazing, if you time it the ball just zings away.

I heard that Warner has custom bats for India, with a lower sweet spot and heavier than normal to make up for the lack of weight and bounce.   I suspect this is a mistake.

I have also heard that the more you pay, the better the wood, which means lighter for a given volume - that's why Warner's Kaboom model in a kids size is hopeless because it is made with 5th grade willow and is like swinging a brick.  Current bats aren't pressed and are much drier, that's also why so many break.  My kids played their's in and oiled them because the grain started to open up at first.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on March 09, 2017, 01:31:04 pm
Not scoring runs but he has sucked Smith and crew in bigtime and got India back in the series...not sure why we continue to engage Kholi in the mind game stuff...
Smith looking at the dressing room for guidance on the review had his mind off the job and on Kholi..

On Dave Warner....looks a bit sick of International Cricket and touring IMO....needs a break...otherwise he might retire and stick to where the money is in IPL etc..IMHO.

Reckon Warner is a bit of a flat track bully. Creams attacks on Aus wickets and the like with that thick blade of his, then struggles in England against the moving ball and on the sub continent against gun spinners. And, he's a sook with a mouth. Cannot have him as our National Test VC.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 09, 2017, 01:53:31 pm
The selectors are taking the piss surely with the replacement for Marsh.

Firstly they now fess up that not only was he hopelessly out form prior to the tour, he was also carrying a shoulder injury that has now 'flared up' [after bowling 5 overs??]. Meanwhile we leave a fully fit Cartwright behind, after he performed ok in his only test.

We now select Stoinis - who has scored 160 runs this shield season at 16, but scored a great hundred in a meaningless ODI vs NZ. Meanwhile the other form all rounder in Australia - Moises Henriques, is peeling off huge runs [650 odd for the season at 65], and has just come off scoring a career best 250 and a nice half century yesterday. He's in career best form and ready to go, but we leave him at home.

The selectors decision to pick guys with little or no shield form for test cricket [Maddinson, Wade, Marsh] has been a disaster - but these blokes never learn their lessons. Who holds these guys accountable for their continual stupid and incoherent selection decisions??

Warner's record on the sub continent and England is terrible for one simple reason - his poor footwork gets found out against the moving or spinning ball. He moves his back foot to leg rather than back and across. And I don't think he's smart enough to adapt and fix the problem as it is so ingrained, so he tries to manufacture shots to try and mask problem. Unfortunately it's not working, and the quicker they get Kwaj in for him the better, but there is no way he will be dropped.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 09, 2017, 02:00:23 pm
The selectors are taking the piss surely with the replacement for Marsh.

Firstly they now fess up that not only was he hopelessly out form prior to the tour, he was also carrying a shoulder injury that has now 'flared up' [after bowling 5 overs??]. Meanwhile we leave a fully fit Cartwright behind, after he performed ok in his only test.

I'd heard he was struck on the hand shortly before he was dismissed and it caused problems, it's a pre-existing injury apparently.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: spf on March 09, 2017, 02:02:10 pm
Reckon Warner is a bit of a flat track bully. Creams attacks on Aus wickets and the like with that thick blade of his, then struggles in England against the moving ball and on the sub continent against gun spinners. And, he's a sook with a mouth. Cannot have him as our National Test VC.

I will be very interested to see how Warner goes with a smaller bat, I have always thought that might reveal just where he sits amongst the good players.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 09, 2017, 07:16:54 pm
The selectors are taking the piss surely with the replacement for Marsh.

Firstly they now fess up that not only was he hopelessly out form prior to the tour, he was also carrying a shoulder injury that has now 'flared up' [after bowling 5 overs??]. Meanwhile we leave a fully fit Cartwright behind, after he performed ok in his only test.

We now select Stoinis - who has scored 160 runs this shield season at 16, but scored a great hundred in a meaningless ODI vs NZ. Meanwhile the other form all rounder in Australia - Moises Henriques, is peeling off huge runs [650 odd for the season at 65], and has just come off scoring a career best 250 and a nice half century yesterday. He's in career best form and ready to go, but we leave him at home.

The selectors decision to pick guys with little or no shield form for test cricket [Maddinson, Wade, Marsh] has been a disaster - but these blokes never learn their lessons. Who holds these guys accountable for their continual stupid and incoherent selection decisions??

Warner's record on the sub continent and England is terrible for one simple reason - his poor footwork gets found out against the moving or spinning ball. He moves his back foot to leg rather than back and across. And I don't think he's smart enough to adapt and fix the problem as it is so ingrained, so he tries to manufacture shots to try and mask problem. Unfortunately it's not working, and the quicker they get Kwaj in for him the better, but there is no way he will be dropped.

Warner hit 5 half centuries last tour to England. He has scores 52, 38, 83, 77, 64, 85. Hit 3 centuries and 2 half centuries in South Africa too against the world's best attack. Also 133 and 58 in his two test against the Pakis in the UAE on spinning tracks. Actually, on those bunsen burners in India even score in the 30s he got probably weren't bad. Those pitches are diabolical. Also, after a flop in the first Test had scores of 42, 41 and 68 in the last two Tests in Sri Lanka. Only criticism of Warner overseas is he gets decent scores without going right on.

As for Stoinis he's a lucky man after averaging 15 this season. At least he got 46 today, the first decent thing he had done at first class level all year. Maybe we hypnotise him and tell him he's playing a one dayer in New Zealand before he goes out to face the Indians...lol!!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 09, 2017, 07:25:57 pm
Reckon Warner is a bit of a flat track bully. Creams attacks on Aus wickets and the like with that thick blade of his, then struggles in England against the moving ball and on the sub continent against gun spinners. And, he's a sook with a mouth. Cannot have him as our National Test VC.

Read the post above. You might be surprised. Definitely our VC.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 09, 2017, 09:36:54 pm
Warner hit 5 half centuries last tour to England. He has scores 52, 38, 83, 77, 64, 85. Hit 3 centuries and 2 half centuries in South Africa too against the world's best attack. Also 133 and 58 in his two test against the Pakis in the UAE on spinning tracks. Actually, on those bunsen burners in India even score in the 30s he got probably weren't bad. Those pitches are diabolical. Also, after a flop in the first Test had scores of 42, 41 and 68 in the last two Tests in Sri Lanka. Only criticism of Warner overseas is he gets decent scores without going right on.

As for Stoinis he's a lucky man after averaging 15 this season. At least he got 46 today, the first decent thing he had done at first class level all year. Maybe we hypnotise him and tell him he's playing a one dayer in New Zealand before he goes out to face the Indians...lol!!!

Stop using facts Jim, it stifles discussion ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 09, 2017, 11:39:08 pm
Stop using facts Jim, it stifles discussion ;)
You are correct that his UK stats aren't too bad, but he still averages 37 from 8 tests which is slightly below par for an opener.

Across India and SL he has now played 9 tests and averages 26. Whichever way you cut it that is poor for an opener. Given the 'horses for courses' policy this is going to be questioned soon. I think he will survive for the next 2 tests because he is a potential match winner, but he doesn't look anything like the threat he does on the flatter pitches of Aust and SA.

But he's not our biggest problem - lack of batting at 6 & 7 and a 9/10/11 who look all at sea mean we are always going to struggle. In the last 2 tests our 9/10/11 have added a total of 31 runs across 4 innings - a collective average of less than 3!

The decision to leave the form batsman in Australia back at home when they had a chance to get him on the plane yesterday just beggars belief.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 10, 2017, 07:48:40 am
who is that SBF? the form player?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 10, 2017, 07:52:30 am
who is that SBF? the form player?
Moises Henriques - scored 659 runs for the shield season averaging 66 and just coming off a 256. I know he has limitations, but he is a good cricketer in career best form. We pick a bloke who averages 15 this year when runs are like gold over in India at the moment!!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 10, 2017, 07:53:47 am
Moises Henriques - scored 659 runs for the shield season averaging 66 and just coming off a 256. I know he has limitations, but he is a good cricketer in career best form. We pick a bloke who averages 15 this year when runs are like gold over in India at the moment!!!

fair enough, and he can bowl a bit too?

Form should be rewarded undoubtedly, not a lack of it!

For mine, we would have won dat 2nd Test if Maxwell had played ahead of Mitch Marsh....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 10, 2017, 07:55:02 am
Our best bat in the last India series was Siddle at 8.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 10, 2017, 08:05:49 am
Well as I suspected, the controversy really did start with Kohli's dismissal!

Quote from: Ben Home, The Daily Telegraph
As Virat Kohli left a tornado of destruction behind him in the Indian dressing room, fuming he had been given out lbw, it’s understood Kumble went to seek immediate clarification from match officials as to why his irate skipper was given out at a key moment of the second Test.

Kohli might be the aggressor in the brazen campaign India is running against Australia’s integrity — even striking an Australian official with an orange Gatorade bottle — but coach Kumble, one of the main instigators of the Monkeygate fiasco, would appear to have reclaimed his role as the puppeteer behind the scenes.

International coaches have access to the officials’ box, but it’s highly unusual for them to make contact mid match, and Kumble’s actions appear indicative of India’s overall attitude that they can dictate to the law makers of the game.

Read it Here (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/anil-kumble-confronted-officials-over-virat-kohli-wicket-midmatch-adding-fuel-to-series-raging-fire/news-story/4d4087175ee6cf6c64ebff8317965902)

I think I've used this term before, but the smeller is the fella!

Otherwise the Indian complaints are all smoke and mirrors, covering up their attempts to influence officials and alter key decisions in the game. I wouldn't be surprised to find them playing the race card again!

Maybe CA can send Mick Gatto? :D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 10, 2017, 10:09:31 am
fair enough, and he can bowl a bit too?

Form should be rewarded undoubtedly, not a lack of it!

For mine, we would have won dat 2nd Test if Maxwell had played ahead of Mitch Marsh....
He's back bowling after an injury lay off. He doesn't bowl long spells, but you only need him to bowl 3-4 tight overs to give the main guys a spell.

I just can't understand why we pick out of form players and expect they are going to perform under intense pressure. And the message it sends to other players is terrible.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 10, 2017, 10:12:09 am
Kumble.... well described as "the puppet master"... has never been backwards in beating Australia over the head in the past on issues like "sportsmanship" and "rasicm" and "overtly aggressive appealing" yet seems to have no aversion about doing exactly the same.

The sermons loses their impact when the flock pursues a different path.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 10, 2017, 10:27:57 am
Well as I suspected, the controversy really did start with Kohli's dismissal!

Read it Here (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/anil-kumble-confronted-officials-over-virat-kohli-wicket-midmatch-adding-fuel-to-series-raging-fire/news-story/4d4087175ee6cf6c64ebff8317965902)

I think I've used this term before, but the smeller is the fella!

Otherwise the Indian complaints are all smoke and mirrors, covering up their attempts to influence officials and alter key decisions in the game. I wouldn't be surprised to find them playing the race card again!

Maybe CA can send Mick Gatto? :D

Of course it's all smoke and mirrors. You only had to listen to the 3rd umpire as he explained the decision very clearly. There was nothing controversial about the decision at all - there was no proof he definitely hit the ball first, so the umpires decision stands. Which part of that is complicated to understand.

What annoys me is no one calls them out on their antics. Kholi claimed Australia twice looked to the dressing room while he was batting and called Smith a cheat. But India have provided no proof of this very serious allegation, but there is no sanction from the ICC.

The umps are piss weak and running scared they will be vetoed by the Indians if they try to put a stop to their on field games. It's part of a concerted effort to assert maximum pressure on the officials to get favourable outcomes within the match.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 10, 2017, 11:19:10 am
Hey Smithy,

I've got this stupid call centre woman who rings me at 6 pm every Friday night and tells me that she is from Microsoft and I have a virus on my computer, and if I send her some money she will clean my computer for me.

Can you please pass onto the Indians next time you're batting to tell their mates that I don't have a virus on my computer, because I keep telling her to go away but she won't listen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 10, 2017, 11:22:40 am
The umps are piss weak and running scared they will be vetoed by the Indians if they try to put a stop to their on field games. It's part of a concerted effort to assert maximum pressure on the officials to get favourable outcomes within the match.

It's not a vetoe they are worried about, they are worried about having their throat cut while they sleep, in the same manner Kohli motioned to Handscomb.

Even the foreign media are running scared, they refuse to comment on such issues until they are clear of the country.

And as you mention, for Kohli and Kumble it's all about influencing the outcome, but the repercussions of their actions go much further and Kohli and Kumble rely on that to add gravity to the decisions that are made.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on March 10, 2017, 11:24:50 am
Read the post above. You might be surprised. Definitely our VC.

Fair nuff. Definitely not VC in my eyes. He's a sook in my opinion and bristles in Aus conditions, then weakens off overseas. Not saying he's rubbish, just a tad overrated IMHO. Dont mean he aint a good player.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 10, 2017, 11:32:02 am
Fair nuff. Definitely not VC in my eyes. He's a sook in my opinion and bristles in Aus conditions, then weakens off overseas. Not saying he's rubbish, just a tad overrated IMHO. Dont mean he aint a good player.

He aint a good player in England or on the sub continent.

He averages 37 in England. That's not what you call a good average for an opener, and it clearly comes back to how hard he goes at the ball.
He plays the ball out in front of his head, not under his eyes.

In India he averages 24. He has no plan and no idea about playing the percentages, and his two outs last test were prime examples.

Sri Lanka his average is 27.

Yes in South Africa he goes well because the conditions are similar to Australia.

He has made 17 out of 18 hundreds in Australia and South Africa
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on March 10, 2017, 12:25:31 pm
He aint a good player in England or on the sub continent.

He averages 37 in England. That's not what you call a good average for an opener, and it clearly comes back to how hard he goes at the ball.
He plays the ball out in front of his head, not under his eyes.

In India he averages 24. He has no plan and no idea about playing the percentages, and his two outs last test were prime examples.

Sri Lanka his average is 27.

Yes in South Africa he goes well because the conditions are similar to Australia.

He has made 17 out of 18 hundreds in Australia and South Africa

Your facts back up my opinion then JH.

I stand firm, he's a flat track bully. Hoping, he and others, can get us over the line in the 3rd Test v India though. Let's see. Good test for our blokes!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 10, 2017, 01:28:54 pm
Your facts back up my opinion then JH.

I stand firm, he's a flat track bully. Hoping, he and others, can get us over the line in the 3rd Test v India though. Let's see. Good test for our blokes!

Good or bad he has a problem coming, the new rules that are enforced later this year make his current bats illegal.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 10, 2017, 04:54:02 pm
Good or bad he has a problem coming, the new rules that are enforced later this year make his current bats illegal.

He does, the bat will be lighter and more aero dynamic so he will play the ball even further in front of his body  :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 10, 2017, 05:56:02 pm
He aint a good player in England or on the sub continent.

He averages 37 in England. That's not what you call a good average for an opener, and it clearly comes back to how hard he goes at the ball.
He plays the ball out in front of his head, not under his eyes.

In India he averages 24. He has no plan and no idea about playing the percentages, and his two outs last test were prime examples.

Sri Lanka his average is 27.

Yes in South Africa he goes well because the conditions are similar to Australia.

He has made 17 out of 18 hundreds in Australia and South Africa

Did have a decent series in England last time with 5 half centuries. The average in England comes down to 37 with his first series there in 2013 after he punched Joe Root. Can't really use averages with 3 Tests as it can be skewed by a very bad, which happens to most batsman, or very good Test. 3 of his last 4 innings in SL were 42, 41 and 68 after a crap first Test. Solid but certainly not spectacular. South Africa conditions are still different, against the world's best attack, and it is away. You could say that's just getting selective if you wanted to suit an argument, not that i'm saying you are. Even the UAE he got 133 and 58 in two Tests there. He's not on his own in India over a couple of tours.

He got his overseas average to 41 at one stage, which is good in anyone's language away from home, but then hit a rough patch on the road, which brought it down to 36 or 37. Still, the likes of Hayden, Clarke and many others stars over the years averaged less than 40 overseas. Not unusual to go worse overseas than that home. That's why winning records are alot better at home because you're more suited to home conditions. He hasn't been as good overseas the last few series but career-wise overseas his issue is more not going on to get centuries, which tends to hurt the average as you will always have your failures. He has alot more half centuries overseas than he does in Australia, where he tends to convert them.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 11, 2017, 03:35:44 am
Did have a decent series in England last time with 5 half centuries. The average in England comes down to 37 with his first series there in 2013 after he punched Joe Root. Can't really use averages with 3 Tests as it can be skewed by a very bad, which happens to most batsman, or very good Test. 3 of his last 4 innings in SL were 42, 41 and 68 after a crap first Test. Solid but certainly not spectacular. South Africa conditions are still different, against the world's best attack, and it is away. You could say that's just getting selective if you wanted to suit an argument, not that i'm saying you are. Even the UAE he got 133 and 58 in two Tests there. He's not on his own in India over a couple of tours.

He got his overseas average to 41 at one stage, which is good in anyone's language away from home, but then hit a rough patch on the road, which brought it down to 36 or 37. Still, the likes of Hayden, Clarke and many others stars over the years averaged less than 40 overseas. Not unusual to go worse overseas than that home. That's why winning records are alot better at home because you're more suited to home conditions. He hasn't been as good overseas the last few series but career-wise overseas his issue is more not going on to get centuries, which tends to hurt the average as you will always have your failures. He has alot more half centuries overseas than he does in Australia, where he tends to convert them.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on March 11, 2017, 10:20:27 am
It's not a vetoe they are worried about, they are worried about having their throat cut while they sleep, in the same manner Kohli motioned to Handscomb.

Even the foreign media are running scared, they refuse to comment on such issues until they are clear of the country.

And as you mention, for Kohli and Kumble it's all about influencing the outcome, but the repercussions of their actions go much further and Kohli and Kumble rely on that to add gravity to the decisions that are made.

Please... might as well get on the plane and come home if that is the case.

Umpiring has not been the issue... Aussies appear to have been sucked in by Kohli and over reacted post match. Why Sutherland would pour oil on the fire is beyond me.

What Smith did was wrong - not a hanging offence,  just put your hand up and move on. Aussies have shown that India aren't that good when put under pressure. Kohli hasn't made a run, the expectations on him are huge.

We are probably screwed now with Starc being out anyway... but our guys should be confident that they can match it with India.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 15, 2017, 12:17:08 pm
Did have a decent series in England last time with 5 half centuries. The average in England comes down to 37 with his first series there in 2013 after he punched Joe Root. Can't really use averages with 3 Tests as it can be skewed by a very bad, which happens to most batsman, or very good Test. 3 of his last 4 innings in SL were 42, 41 and 68 after a crap first Test. Solid but certainly not spectacular. South Africa conditions are still different, against the world's best attack, and it is away. You could say that's just getting selective if you wanted to suit an argument, not that i'm saying you are. Even the UAE he got 133 and 58 in two Tests there. He's not on his own in India over a couple of tours.

He got his overseas average to 41 at one stage, which is good in anyone's language away from home, but then hit a rough patch on the road, which brought it down to 36 or 37. Still, the likes of Hayden, Clarke and many others stars over the years averaged less than 40 overseas. Not unusual to go worse overseas than that home. That's why winning records are alot better at home because you're more suited to home conditions. He hasn't been as good overseas the last few series but career-wise overseas his issue is more not going on to get centuries, which tends to hurt the average as you will always have your failures. He has alot more half centuries overseas than he does in Australia, where he tends to convert them.

I'm not saying use 3 tests, he played there again and now has 8 tests.
An average is just that, it's spread across his record.
He simply does not handle the moving ball. Therefore he never bats long enough.

There is a very good reason he doesn't go on to get centuries, because his technique does not allow it.
He doesn't go out early because he is technically sound but chooses to give it away, he goes out because he can't handle the conditions.
He doesn't have suitable plans for Ashwin, Broad and Anderson.
I'm not saying it's easy, but the best players adapt.
His game is suited to the ball coming on and without sideways movement.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 15, 2017, 01:05:54 pm
I'm not saying use 3 tests, he played there again and now has 8 tests.
An average is just that, it's spread across his record.
He simply does not handle the moving ball. Therefore he never bats long enough.

There is a very good reason he doesn't go on to get centuries, because his technique does not allow it.
He doesn't go out early because he is technically sound but chooses to give it away, he goes out because he can't handle the conditions.
He doesn't have suitable plans for Ashwin, Broad and Anderson.
I'm not saying it's easy, but the best players adapt.
His game is suited to the ball coming on and without sideways movement.

Last England series no-one handled the moving ball. Hence scores of 130 and 60. No good pointing the blame at one person. Thing is he made 5 half centuries on his last tour there, including two scores in the 80's and one in the 70's. Liked a century but there's nothing wrong with that output. We can argue what he can and can't do but those were his scores. Sri Lanka was ok in his last two tests without being great. Certainly went ok in the UAE and definitely good in South Africa. For some reason he's done no good in the West Indies, which should've been the easiest place to bat. He does have 14 half centuries overseas and averages around 37. That's about what many stars average overseas actually.  Needed to go on and make more hundreds as now doing so has brought the overseas average down.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 16, 2017, 08:09:26 am
Indians are taking the p1ss with the Ranchi pitch... perhaps they should have their test status revoked if they can't produce a decent pitch... oh wait, they all but run the ICC and can do whatever they want...

As for there being a drought, the outfield seems to get enough water to stay green, just doesn't seem to rain in the centre block...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 08:27:35 am
Indians are taking the p1ss with the Ranchi pitch... perhaps they should have their test status revoked if they can't produce a decent pitch... oh wait, they all but run the ICC and can do whatever they want...

As for there being a drought, the outfield seems to get enough water to stay green, just doesn't seem to rain in the centre block...

The ICC are spineless, they need to whack the Indian team with penalties for the behaviour of BCCI officials.

FWIW, I've never understood why the ICC, given it stumps up for match officials by the dozen(bus loads of them), can't have a small crew of international curators that arrive at test venues a few weeks before a game and oversee the preparation of the pitch.

The thing is with Indian business culture, there would be a local curator deadset ready to join such a panel for profit and backstab his compatriots, their whole free market system is built on doing the dirty! The only thing you would need to do is make sure he doesn't end up on the take from a Indian bookmaker.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on March 16, 2017, 09:20:14 am
Pat Cummins ready to go after 1 shield game in 7 years........please.

James Pattinson ruled himself out of being picked as he just wants to play some consistent local cricket.....shame Pat doesn't have the same attitude...or at least the people "managing" him anyway.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 16, 2017, 11:34:23 am
The ICC are spineless, they need to whack the Indian team with penalties for the behaviour of BCCI officials.

FWIW, I've never understood why the ICC, given it stumps up for match officials by the dozen(bus loads of them), can't have a small crew of international curators that arrive at test venues a few weeks before a game and oversee the preparation of the pitch.

The thing is with Indian business culture, there would be a local curator deadset ready to join such a panel for profit and backstab his compatriots, their whole free market system is built on doing the dirty! The only thing you would need to do is make sure he doesn't end up on the take from a Indian bookmaker.

Why bother, just give the away team the choice of whether to bat first or second, in every test, all over the world.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 11:48:54 am
Why bother, just give the away team the choice of whether to bat first or second, in every test, all over the world.

I know that eliminating the toss has been proposed before, but there are skills in captaining and managing game tactics that give the toss a special place in the sport. If you eliminate the toss you are taking away many of those aspects of the sport. The other concern raised at that suggestion is that it would eventually led to very vanilla drawn tests as the most common result.

All the game really needs is reasonable wickets, it's clear to me the BCCI is focused on winning over the general governance of the game, and that in my opinion is a Indian cultural thing. Dealing in India I have found the outcome takes priority over the means, even if the outcome requires some questionable dealings.

For example, like China, in Indian business if you can avoid paying an invoice regardless of your relationship with the supplier you will be lauded as a good business person. The person or company they rip off is foolish, in their eyes you must expect that if an opportunity is available to cheat or shortcut it will be taken. I suspect this is why they have resisted DRS for so long, it's basically anti-Indian in their eyes. The real problem for "Western" societies comes after being burnt, the Indians will come back to you next time and expect the relationship to continue like nothing ever happened. This is a little different from the Chinese that won't show their "face" after doing the dirty. Westerners take offense at being "ripped off" and hold an everlasting grudge.

In India it's like they did you a favor by showing you how they can avoid paying! They were smarter than you, you will know better next time!

If you put all this in the context of a sport, the rules, the media statements, you can easily understand how they can look at a video replay and claim it's not showing the truth, or that the pitch is fine.

We are shocked about the pitches, they expect them to be that way.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on March 16, 2017, 12:04:27 pm
This might be hypocritical coming from me, but you might want to leave the racial stereotyping out of a cricket thread. In fact, just leave it out full stop.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 12:26:44 pm
This might be hypocritical coming from me, but you might want to leave the racial stereotyping out of a cricket thread. In fact, just leave it out full stop.

Racism and stereotyping has nothing to do with it, I've seen the very same initial reaction from others being taught how to trade in India. They almost cannot accept that is the way things are, but how conflicted they must be when it's an Indian teaching them.

If that is the common business culture it's the business culture, and in India cricket is a business.

You can even attend corporate training sessions, some of which are operated by expatriate Indian and Chinese business people, that will take you through the reason why it is the way it is in those two cultures.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 16, 2017, 12:31:00 pm
Unfortunately Paul, it's far too close to the truth for comfort... I've been burned so many times by people of Indian background I've given up doing business with them.  The barefaced lies they come up with are shameful, the only way I could get my head around it is that it is part of their culture and that's the way it is.  They burn you and then come back as if they are your best mate and get offended when you point out their transgressions and that don't trust them.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on March 16, 2017, 12:44:07 pm
Pass.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 01:28:40 pm
Pass.

There's a Timmy moment! ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: townsendcalling on March 16, 2017, 03:21:44 pm
We won the toss!  Great start
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 03:26:26 pm
This pitch will be running along the ground by Day 3.

Australia need to make quick Day 1 runs and plenty of them, but they must also bat well into Day 2.

A target of 150 might be out of reach Day 4 or 5.

Warner out, off a full toss! ...............  JonHenry where are you?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 16, 2017, 03:59:08 pm
This pitch will be running along the ground by Day 3.

Australia need to make quick Day 1 runs and plenty of them, but they must also bat well into Day 2.

A target of 150 might be out of reach Day 4 or 5.

Warner out, off a full toss! ...............  Jon Henry where are you?

I'm here and he is a d!ck.
He needs a kick in the A5s
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on March 16, 2017, 04:12:45 pm
Warner has certainly not come to terms with the conditions. That is a great disappointment, as he has handled just about everywhere else.

But a lot f our players lose concentration and get themselves out too easily. The Marsh brothers were the kings of that tactic. The Big Show tends to do the same: get an attack at his mercy and then get out.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 04:52:02 pm
Perhaps we are just too reserved on the sub-continent, our guys often look like they crack after a period of trying to play conservatively.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 16, 2017, 05:06:53 pm
Perhaps we are just too reserved on the sub-continent, our guys often look like they crack after a period of trying to play conservatively.

I think you need technique and then you have to have a plan. Renshaw seems to have coped pretty well and he is 20.

Marsh got out defending a ball missing his leg stump.
Warner got out bowled last test, in the first innings, stepping away to leg for a ball that pitched a mile outside leg.

You have to play a lot smarter when the conditions are against you.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 16, 2017, 05:39:49 pm
Wasn't Sean Marsh supposed to be a sub continent specialist?

Should be filed next to his brother in the " never to play for Australia again" file.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 16, 2017, 06:34:54 pm
Not even three hours in and we're %&%ed.

%^%&)ing batsmen, when are they going to stand up and contribute something???
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 16, 2017, 08:16:59 pm
Not even three hours in and we're %&%ed.

%^%&)ing batsmen, when are they going to stand up and contribute something???

You may have gone too soon Prof.

Losing only one wicket in the session was a pretty good effort even if we only scored 85 runs.  Wickets in hand may be more important than runs at this stage.  A very restrained and responsible innings from Maxwell and Smith's innings must be driving Kohli mad :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 16, 2017, 08:56:24 pm
Maxwell brought up his 50 with a six but the ball was there to be hit.  Well done by the Big Show!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 16, 2017, 09:40:56 pm
Maxwell was always a better option than Mitch Marsh in India - one could well argue bad selection cost us the 2nd Test.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 16, 2017, 09:53:09 pm
Maxwell was always a better option than Mitch Marsh in India - one could well argue bad selection cost us the 2nd Test.
How amazing is this innings by Smith? He is quickly moving into rare air in terms of best ever test batsmen, especially if he goes really big here and they win the test and the series. No one gave them any chance 3 weeks ago, and he has played them into a commanding position.

And could this be the making of Maxy?? He's always had the talent but not the brains, but batting with Smith has transformed him. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 16, 2017, 09:53:50 pm
Maxwell was always a better option than Mitch Marsh in India - one could well argue bad selection cost us the 2nd Test.

Just playing one short
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Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 16, 2017, 10:09:20 pm
How amazing is this innings by Smith? He is quickly moving into rare air in terms of best ever test batsmen, especially if he goes really big here and they win the test and the series. No one gave them any chance 3 weeks ago, and he has played them into a commanding position.

And could this be the making of Maxy?? He's always had the talent but not the brains, but batting with Smith has transformed him.

Yes, Smith has been brilliant in this series, despite being targeted.  A real captain's knock!

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Maxwell's 75no is the highest score by an Australian No.6 since Steve Smith's 100 against South Africa in Centurion in Feb, 2014


That's an indictment on our selectors but a great milestone for Maxwell.  Hopefully it is the making of him as a test cricketer.  I reckon batting all rounders who can bowl are better value than bowling all rounders who can bat a bit.

A very good session for Australia and a great partnership from Smith and Maxwell.  That means more pressure on the Indians and on Kohli.  I bet they're not looking forward to batting last  :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 10:11:18 pm
I'm not a big fan of Smith's field settings or in field tactics, and I think he mismanages a lot of bowlers.

But batting he is an arm and a leg ahead of the other options when it comes to leading from the front. I hope he talks Maxwell through to his ton tomorrow and the pair go on to double tons.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: townsendcalling on March 17, 2017, 04:15:36 am
Not even three hours in and we're %&%ed.

%^%&)ing batsmen, when are they going to stand up and contribute something???

Need to get back here Professor....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 17, 2017, 08:20:21 am
Well I am, and a bit less frustrated than earlier.

We won the toss, a tremendous advantage, and needed to bat big (runs and time), as we won't make meaningful runs in the second dig and we need to bat until the pitch starts to break up otherwise the Indians will rust on.  6 sessions and 500 is what we need.

Watching the same blokes make the same )(&)(&ing mistakes annoys the heck out of me...

Warner is a bully on true pitches but is clearly caught in two minds ATM and playing confused.  He needs to simplify it and make a contribution.  Not good enough.

Marsh just isn't up to it.  Yet another folly selection on reputation.  He isn't scoring and when he fails he comes and goes in a blink.

Renshaw played the shot of a kid learning the game, he won't fall for that trick again.

Handscombe does the hard work and gets starts, and places great store on his wicket but keeps getting out when set.  ARRRRRGH!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 17, 2017, 09:39:21 am
Been saying it for a while that Maxwell is our best bet at No 6, wont fire every game but will win games, he may not be everybody's best mate in the dressing room and be a loose cannon every now and then but talent wise he has got the goods IMO to be a very good international cricketer in all forms of the game..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 17, 2017, 10:10:24 am
Been saying it for a while that Maxwell is our best bet at No 6, wont fire every game but will win games, he may not be everybody's best mate in the dressing room and be a loose cannon every now and then but talent wise he has got the goods IMO to be a very good international cricketer in all forms of the game..
I agree. I also don't think you can underestimate the impact that batting with Smith had on him in these conditions. Having your skipper at the other end, batting beautifully and just grinding out runs without taking risks would have been a huge influence on him. He was scratchy and a little lucky early, but once he got through the tough period he looked assured and he is always looking to play with intent to score.

The issue with Maxy is all between his ears - he has too much talent for his own good when batting, and if can learn how to control the situation better through shot selection and patience then he really could be anything. I just hope that that this innings is the 'light bulb' moment for him, as having a versatile player at 6 who can build an innings like yesterday when needed, or blast quick runs if required, makes us a much more potent side. Hopefully Smith gives him a run with ball to build on his confidence.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 17, 2017, 10:17:00 am
Hopefully Smith gives him a run with ball to build on his confidence.

We've already seen crap unexpected and odd deliveries get unusual wickets on this pitch, Maxwell is the perfect option.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 17, 2017, 10:35:07 am
We've already seen crap unexpected and odd deliveries get unusual wickets on this pitch, Maxwell is the perfect option.
Exactly - these types of pitches are perfect for an unpredictable bowler like Maxy and it keeps the batsmen guessing.

By late day 3 or day 4 this pitch could be doing anything!! It looks great to bat on now, but the Indian commentators all reckon it is going to deteriorate quickly after 2 days play on it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on March 17, 2017, 11:53:23 am
Been saying it for a while that Maxwell is our best bet at No 6, wont fire every game but will win games, he may not be everybody's best mate in the dressing room and be a loose cannon every now and then but talent wise he has got the goods IMO to be a very good international cricketer in all forms of the game..

Not quite sure how he ended up out the of the vic side earlier in the season...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on March 17, 2017, 04:11:12 pm
Attitude and mouth.
Then he knuckled down and showed why he is the player he is.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on March 17, 2017, 06:20:55 pm
I think he has just shown how stupid it was Crash... whatever the reason, it wasn't in the best interests of Australian cricket to have a guy (who they wouldn't let go and play elsewhere) with that much talent carry the drinks.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 17, 2017, 08:48:14 pm
For all his good batting here is where Smith lets himself down.

451 runs on the board, India 0/62 and we have one slip and a gully to a bowler who can reverse the ball. Of course the edge goes between slip and gully.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 17, 2017, 10:00:00 pm
The ball hasn't been tossed to Maxwell yet  ::)

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 18, 2017, 10:16:05 pm
The ball hasn't been tossed to Maxwell yet  ::)

Only two overs so far  :-\

I would have thought that Maxwell could have maintained pressure on the Indians while spelling the frontline bowlers ... and perhaps jagging a wicket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 18, 2017, 11:40:07 pm
The ball hasn't been tossed to Maxwell yet  ::)

Dean Jones always says that Maxwell's a better bowler than batter.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 19, 2017, 10:42:58 am
So last night you get a perfect example of how low Indian cricket and the Indian cricket media is prepared to go.

Using their high profile, Indian media use past players to beat up a story about Smith mocking Kohli's shoulder injury. Smith is vilified in broadcasts and online, Kohli stands on the team balcony clapping disgracefully at a failed DRS review by the Australian captain.

But the whole story was concocted and fake news, in the best Trump style.

Of course this is just a one off, the media and that is any or all media, wouldn't do this sort of thing normally! ::)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7MJ-wtXgAAZlMd.jpg)

But wait, someone with a conscience scuppers the evil plans and publishes the full image on social media.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7MJ_A2XQAEjZW0.jpg)

Anyway I'm off to have my paranoia checked out, apparently it's completely unjustified and excessive. :D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 19, 2017, 08:24:18 pm
The Australians learning about ruthlessness ATM.  If there is a god we will be able to bat the match out.

Sure, they might make 700 but it will all be meaningless if we can draw the game. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 19, 2017, 09:34:08 pm
The Australians learning about ruthlessness ATM.  If there is a god we will be able to bat the match out.

Sure, they might make 700 but it will all be meaningless if we can draw the game.

A draw is as good as a victory for India after losing the toss on that pitch. I thought the pitch would go one of two ways, crap or concrete, and it has gone the way of concrete which I expected least likely but possible.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 19, 2017, 09:39:22 pm
The Australians learning about ruthlessness ATM.  If there is a god we will be able to bat the match out.

Sure, they might make 700 but it will all be meaningless if we can draw the game.

Pat Cummins been good, very hard for the quicks but he is the ideal foil for Starc when fit and Hazlewood......Okeefe 75 overs for 192 runs....going to be a tired man
by series end...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 19, 2017, 09:50:08 pm
Pat Cummins been good, very hard for the quicks but he is the ideal foil for Starc when fit and Hazlewood......Okeefe 75 overs for 192 runs....going to be a tired man
by series end...

Is Lyon unfit, is there a reason he only bowled 40 overs, and why would you only bowl Maxwell 4 overs on that pitch?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 19, 2017, 10:02:30 pm
FMD, a night-watchmen!

What is this the 1970s?

Says something about our teams state of mind, a losing one!

India targeting a victory with a 150 run 1st innings lead, and doing it with more aggression than we showed when we were 450 runs ahead! We might not make it to 100!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 19, 2017, 10:14:06 pm
Is Lyon unfit, is there a reason he only bowled 40 overs, and why would you only bowl Maxwell 4 overs on that pitch?

I'm mystified by Smith's decision not to use Maxwell.  It's not as if the other four were threatening or wouldn't benefit from a spell and/or a different type of bowler operating from the other end.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 19, 2017, 10:27:54 pm
FMD, a night-watchmen!

What is this the 1970s?

Says something about our teams state of mind, a losing one!

India targeting a victory with a 150 run 1st innings lead, and doing it with more aggression than we showed when we were 450 runs ahead! We might not make it to 100!

Yep not looking good....if they get Smith early then we are likely to fold up...
re: Maxwell....dont understand why he wasnt bowled, can break partnerships and take wickets even with rubbish and we needed some X factor given Okeefe and Lyon barely turned one ball..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 19, 2017, 10:39:51 pm
Time for Warner to contribute, has had a wretched tour.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on March 19, 2017, 11:30:26 pm
Can't play spin
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on March 19, 2017, 11:31:03 pm
Next flat track he'll smash a quick hundred.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 20, 2017, 02:47:38 am
Time for Warner to contribute, has had a wretched tour.

Agree, needs to carry the drinks or do some laundry.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 20, 2017, 02:19:25 pm
Yesterday was finally the sum of all our fears for playing India in India.

1 - Wade's keeping making a difference. Chances against spinners in these conditions are almost always going to be difficult and he grassed a couple

2 - No plan B from Smith. As a great as he has batted his big issue remains how unimaginative and inventive he is when things aren't happening. I don't understand why the selectors are so focused on all rounders when Smith won't bowl them. Happened to Marsh, then Cartwright and yesterday with Maxwell.

Bowling two 2 over spells from your spinner, when they bowled 120 overs combined is just ridiculous and shows how little faith he has in him. He also refused to bowl himself or Warner to try and disrupt the momentum of the batsmen. Epic fail IMO and we bowled Cummins into the ground on his return.

3 - Warner failed again. He ever looked surviving any sort of time because his defence isn't up to it on these types of tracks. Kwaj must still be shaking his head about the selection policy.

Based on their history of collapses it's hard to see these guys lasting 50 more overs today.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 20, 2017, 02:56:58 pm
I deal a bit with India and Sri Lanka, I was told this morning by a client that even after it has been exposed as a beat up Kohli is still in the local regional media making mileage off the back of the Smith mocking allegations.

If it's true he must be a two faced a5sehole of a bloke, but a good cricketer! :D

I suppose I don't know if the alleged interviews happened before or after the fraud was exposed, so I shouldn't judge him too harshly.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on March 20, 2017, 05:30:45 pm
Our lack of depth and lack of fight in our batting is likely to come to the fore. 4 for 83 bodes poorly.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 20, 2017, 07:05:19 pm
Our lack of depth and lack of fight in our batting is likely to come to the fore. 4 for 83 bodes poorly.

I think our batting line up, for this test, is the best batting top 6 we have assembled for Indian conditions for some time.
Warner clearly is not capable but the other 5 all have a technique and plan to cope in the conditions.
That said, it will be tough to hold on
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 20, 2017, 07:15:15 pm
37 overs to go and Marsh and Handscomb seem to have settled in.

I reckon we need at least another 100 runs to be safe.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 20, 2017, 08:30:39 pm
Handscomb has chosen the perfect occasion to make his first 50 of the tour.

It may be one of the most important innings of his short career. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: townsendcalling on March 20, 2017, 08:42:21 pm
'Thank God for S Marsh!' I can hear us all collectively saying!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 20, 2017, 08:44:45 pm
'Thank God for S Marsh!' I can hear us all collectively saying!!

Sorted another 10 tests without question! :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 20, 2017, 09:57:21 pm
'Thank God for S Marsh!' I can hear us all collectively saying!!

it might be the making of him?

Despite his seeming fragility on occasion, the bloke can really play.

Today he showed ticker too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 20, 2017, 10:01:12 pm
I am a Marsh detractor but he will play the fourth test.  Good effort today.

A heck of a lot of ticker shown today, they should take great confidence from batting a full day on a day pitch 5 versus Ashwin and Jajeda.  Many Australian teams have folded in similar situations, but this one didn't.  Continues the theme of good application.

Smith's captaincy yesterday might be questionable but Kohli should cop some serious flack as well... the conservative batting once India drew level was pathetic given the bowlers were cooked and gives the impression that India were crap scared to chase 150 on the last day... Australia should have been batting soon after Lunch on day 4, not with 8 overs left in the day. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 20, 2017, 10:04:10 pm
Kohli offered us the draw just before we were to declare.

I think it's easy to understate how good our performance was in this test. It's the first time a visiting team has managed a draw in India after trailing on the first innings since 2010.

However, I still don't understand why Smith refused to bowl Maxwell  :-\
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 20, 2017, 10:05:03 pm
I am a Marsh detractor but he will play the fourth test.  Good effort today.

A heck of a lot of ticker shown today, they should take great confidence from batting a full day on a day pitch 5 versus Ashwin and Jajeda.  Many Australian teams have folded in similar situations, but this one didn't.  Continues the theme of good application.

Smith's captaincy yesterday might be questionable but Kohli should cop some serious flack as well... the conservative batting once India drew level was pathetic given the bowlers were cooked and gives the impression that India were crap scared to chase 150 on the last day... Australia should have been batting soon after Lunch on day 4, not with 8 overs left in the day.

yeah, Kohli screwed up big time bating so long....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 21, 2017, 08:48:41 am
Looking forward to the Ashes this year.  Play the 4 quicks, Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins and Pattinson with Maxwell as the spin option.

Michael Vaughan tweeted how scared he was of that line up a couple of days ago.

We'll have a very powerful line-up come November. Hobart last year now seems so long ago.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 21, 2017, 09:50:02 am
Looking forward to the Ashes this year.  Play the 4 quicks, Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins and Pattinson with Maxwell as the spin option.

Michael Vaughan tweeted how scared he was of that line up a couple of days ago.

We'll have a very powerful line-up come November. Hobart last year now seems so long ago.

There's a lot to like about that bowling attack, even if Smith won't bowl Maxwell  ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 21, 2017, 10:32:03 am
Jason Behrendorff might be in front of Pattinson.

Very impressive skill set and has recently taken a 9 for in Shield cricket
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 21, 2017, 01:41:39 pm
Jason Behrendorff might be in front of Pattinson.

Very impressive skill set and has recently taken a 9 for in Shield cricket

I like Behrendorff and he swings the ball which is something we lack...he is also very miserly and keeps the runs down..but would Aus play two left arm quicks(Starc).
I reckon thats unlikely.....Pattinson is quicker, does bowl a good outswinger and is handy with the bat...problem is he cant stay on the park and along with Cummins would make the captain
uneasy thinking he has two bowlers who break down regularly...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 21, 2017, 01:43:09 pm
Jason Behrendorff might be in front of Pattinson.

Very impressive skill set and has recently taken a 9 for in Shield cricket

http://www.espncricinfo.com/sheffield-shield-2016-17/content/story/1084495.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/sheffield-shield-2016-17/content/story/1084495.html)

lefty, tall ad rangy - 1.93 odd. Bowls mid 140s?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 21, 2017, 01:57:00 pm
Pattinson would be in the selectors mind well and truly before Behrendorff  just for his pace alone. Not that's any put down on Behrendorff, who been bowling beautifully The quartet of Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins and Pattinson could uncover the demons the Poms had in 2013-14 given the extreme pace. Cummins was outstanding on the flat track in India whille Pattinson was brilliant last rolling taking 5/7 rolling Qld for 61.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 21, 2017, 02:02:48 pm
http://www.espncricinfo.com/sheffield-shield-2016-17/content/story/1084495.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/sheffield-shield-2016-17/content/story/1084495.html)

lefty, tall ad rangy - 1.93 odd. Bowls mid 140s?

More mid 130's.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on March 21, 2017, 03:16:09 pm
Pattinson needs to stay fit... but he would be ahead of Berendorf. Already shown that he can be damaging at test level.


We will destroy the poms if we have 3 of Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Patterson available. It will be exciting to see them all in the same team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on March 21, 2017, 09:13:14 pm
I do not understand why he didn't bowl Maxwell. The guys is very good in the shorter forms of the game.
But I don't understand why Smith doesn't bowl himself or Warner, both of whom bowl decent leg-spin and haven't been seen at the crease in far to long.
With his poor form with the bat in this series, it would do Warner good to bowl and get some confidence up. making a real contribution would be good.

I still wonder why we play guys in India who can't play spin. But I wonder about a lot of things.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 22, 2017, 08:26:23 am
Pattinson needs to stay fit... but he would be ahead of Berendorf. Already shown that he can be damaging at test level.


We will destroy the poms if we have 3 of Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Patterson available. It will be exciting to see them all in the same team.

i'm looking at all 4 in against the Poms. Maxwell batting at 6 and doing the spin duties.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on March 22, 2017, 10:24:51 am
i'm looking at all 4 in against the Poms. Maxwell batting at 6 and doing the spin duties.

That'd be nice.....maybe you'd get away with it at the Gabba......but with the rest being all boring drop-ins you just have to have a specialist spinner. 



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on March 22, 2017, 11:12:05 am
Maxwell may be the go at No.6, but he won't be the main spinner.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 22, 2017, 11:31:22 am
Maxwell may be the go at No.6, but he won't be the main spinner.

Agree...Lyon or Okeefe need to play for balance....although England will probably play Ali as their only spinner with Root as their 2nd part timer ...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 22, 2017, 12:44:53 pm
That'd be nice.....maybe you'd get away with it at the Gabba......but with the rest being all boring drop-ins you just have to have a specialist spinner.

No problem getting away with it with the pace. Extreme pace works even on flatter tracks. Old West Indian theory, use your 4 best bowlers. When they are quick and good the pressure is enormous.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: shadesy on March 22, 2017, 02:16:03 pm
I am a Marsh detractor but he will play the fourth test.  Good effort today.

A heck of a lot of ticker shown today, they should take great confidence from batting a full day on a day pitch 5 versus Ashwin and Jajeda.  Many Australian teams have folded in similar situations, but this one didn't.  Continues the theme of good application.

Smith's captaincy yesterday might be questionable but Kohli should cop some serious flack as well... the conservative batting once India drew level was pathetic given the bowlers were cooked and gives the impression that India were crap scared to chase 150 on the last day... Australia should have been batting soon after Lunch on day 4, not with 8 overs left in the day.

SOS has scored a 50 in every test. Copped a bad one in the second innings of the second test. Very underated tour. Been pretty steady and not thrown his wicket away at 4.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on March 23, 2017, 09:35:21 am
No problem getting away with it with the pace. Extreme pace works even on flatter tracks. Old West Indian theory, use your 4 best bowlers. When they are quick and good the pressure is enormous.

Yeah....but even the Windies of that era would struggle a bit with the forced over rates these days.  Can't get away with the sort of stuff they used to.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 26, 2017, 11:08:40 pm
Is Maxwell injured?

If not, why isn't he bowling?

 :-\
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 26, 2017, 11:38:22 pm
Smith is a conundrum, he fights so hard for his team when batting, then shoots it in the foot with his in-field tactics.

Lyon was bowling like a man possessed, there were four overs left in the day, so Smith took the new ball and removed Lyon from the attack. It's perplexing, it'd be like removing Lillee from the attack when he need one more wicket for the record!

It's almost like he doesn't want Lyon out there.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on March 26, 2017, 11:50:45 pm
Henshaw dropped a sitter from the new ball, so you could back that decision.  Plenty other egs about, though.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 27, 2017, 06:12:55 am
Smith is a conundrum, he fights so hard for his team when batting, then shoots it in the foot with his in-field tactics.

Lyon was bowling like a man possessed, there were four overs left in the day, so Smith took the new ball and removed Lyon from the attack. It's perplexing, it'd be like removing Lillee from the attack when he need one more wicket for the record!

It's almost like he doesn't want Lyon out there.

The ball was pretty dead. At some point you have to change the ball. Within 10 overs Lyon will have a much better ball to bowl with. The taking of new ball should have been vindicated but Renshaw dropped a soda off Cummins, which could be vital.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 27, 2017, 06:09:51 pm
I'm officially over David Warner.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 27, 2017, 06:11:53 pm
I'm officially over David Warner.

That was pathetic
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 27, 2017, 07:43:48 pm
And Sean Marsh can just screw off as well.  Unlike the selector's I'm not fooled by this spud, one good innings a series isn't enough. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 28, 2017, 07:03:47 am
can't blame 1 bloke. Collective failure....that Renshaw catch.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 28, 2017, 08:12:43 am
Yep, Renshaw has had an awful game, looks physically and mentally exhausted. Until this point he has clearly give everything and is spent.

Handscombe hasn't made big runs but they have had to winkle him out, and he does bat during that tough period when the spinners are on with purchase on the ball.  He bats time as well which helps slow the other sides momentum.

Contrasted with Sean Marsh, who finds way to limply get out (bunted to short leg, really !?!), then it comes out his back has flared again...FFS, if he can't stay fit for five days don't keep playing him.

India's lower order has contributed enough annoying runs to be critical, whereas Starc aside our tail can't even hang around, yet alone make runs.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 28, 2017, 08:28:34 am
Yep, Renshaw has had an awful game, looks physically and mentally exhausted. Until this point he has clearly give everything and is spent.

People do not realise how much pressure the Australian team are under, it would really impact a kid like Renshaw as he wouldn't have experienced it before.

After Kohli's carry on they have basically been put under house arrest for their own protection, they get escorted to the team bus by blokes carrying machine guns. They can't go out, have had restrictions put on what they can eat and drink, and they are guarded 24/7. Further Kohli new exactly what he was doing when he played up to the local media and social media. But not just Kohli, several members of the Indian team have now be accused of inciting the public on social media.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on March 28, 2017, 08:51:50 am
I'm concerned that the relative progress made on this tour is papering over the usual big cracks in the middle (& now top) order batting lineup.  Let's be quite clear about his.  The bowlers (& Smith) have kept this series alive......there are still huge questions over 4, 5, & 6....and yes the lower order has not contributed anywhere near enough.  It's been 5 out all out far too many times.

Can only hope that back on Aussie pitches for the Ashes will see an improvement.....but still don't like Marsh & Maxwell getting first dibs on an Ashes series....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 28, 2017, 08:52:19 am
But let's be fair. NO ONE, not a soul, expected the Aussies to even be competitive let alone take the series down to the wire....

What if Starc had played?

I think kudos to our lads for fighting out a very entertaining Test series in very trying conditions.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on March 28, 2017, 09:00:07 am
But let's be fair. NO ONE, not a soul, expected the Aussies to even be competitive let alone take the series down to the wire....

What if Starc had played?

I think kudos to our lads for fighting out a very entertaining Test series in very trying conditions.

Oh yeah, absolutely, there's been some progress made & some real fight shown at times......and some not at other times.  Mind you, if Starc had played, Cummins might not have.....and he was almost the difference in the last two tests.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 28, 2017, 09:56:57 am
I'm concerned that the relative progress made on this tour is papering over the usual big cracks in the middle (& now top) order batting lineup.  Let's be quite clear about his.  The bowlers (& Smith) have kept this series alive......there are still huge questions over 4, 5, & 6....and yes the lower order has not contributed anywhere near enough.  It's been 5 out all out far too many times.

Can only hope that back on Aussie pitches for the Ashes will see an improvement.....but still don't like Marsh & Maxwell getting first dibs on an Ashes series....

Wow, you are not impressed with Maxwells batting?
I think he looks far more composed than anyone bar Smith.
He is a class above the others and makes Warner look foolish.
I also think Handscombe, for his first tour has done pretty well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 28, 2017, 10:06:24 am
Handscombe's fielding has been outstanding.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 28, 2017, 10:57:21 am
Wow, you are not impressed with Maxwells batting?
I think he looks far more composed than anyone bar Smith.
He is a class above the others and makes Warner look foolish.
I also think Handscombe, for his first tour has done pretty well.

I like Maxwell, he does play the stupid shots too often, but I agree up right until that moment he looks like he is capable on all pitches in all conditions.

I agree about Warner, he is not a sub-continent batsmen, and probably not suited to the West Indies either. England, Sth Africa, New Zealand and at home he's in the mix. But he's just not up to grinding out a long innings for not many runs.

The defects in the Marsh techniques, both of them, are far more glaring than the problems Watson suffered. I don't understand why the ACB persists, it must be something to do with their dad, the selectors and the ACB contracts.

I have no idea why Marsh and Maxwell have had 11 overs between them in three and a half test matches.

It's all upside for Handscomb, excluding ACB politics he'll go right past the likes of Warner or Khawaja and be the countries next captain.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 28, 2017, 12:04:45 pm
The preparedness to grind was a positive move IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 28, 2017, 03:08:00 pm
A lot of god stuff on this tour, but also a lot of bad and repetition of the same old mistakes.

Putting performances of individuals to one side, the selection policies and tactics have at times been beyond baffling - all the talk pre series about all rounders, and then across 4 tests Marsh / Maxy bowled 8 overs!!! How can the selectors and captain be so out of sync??? Same happened at the SCG with Cartwright - we just keep doing the same thing over and over. If Smith doesn't rate these guys as bowlers then just pick the best No6 batsman and be done with it.

And the batting of Wade yesterday was some of the dumbest cricket I've ever seen - to bat for 15 overs on that pitch for 15 runs was just pure madness. Our only chance was to score runs, push the field back and put some pressure on India. Instead we did exactly what they wanted us to do. Finally Cummins gets out, and when Lyon comes in Wade takes a single off the first ball of the over to expose Lyon, who nicks the second ball he faces. At this point, 9 down, Wade starts swinging and get 15 runs before mistiming a run on the last ball of an over to expose JH. And that was all she wrote.

These guys are professional, full time cricketers with a coach, and this is the sort of stupidity they show when the game and series is on the line. It annoys the hell out me that we get undone by boneheaded play so often.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 28, 2017, 08:22:44 pm
Wow, you are not impressed with Maxwells batting?
I think he looks far more composed than anyone bar Smith.
He is a class above the others and makes Warner look foolish.
I also think Handscombe, for his first tour has done pretty well.

Yes, Maxwell looked at home and deserves first go in the Ashes series. I wouldn't mind going 4 quicks, Starc, Hazelwood, Cummind and Pattinson with Maxwell in the First Test, although Lyon's done a great job. Batting will look alot stronger at home with each position covered. Indian conditions are so foreign to most of our batsmen. Bar the 3rd Test it was a tough low scoring series so not worried so much batting averages in the series. I thought we'd be whitewashed totally, like every other country has been in India, but to make such a tight contest was very encouraging.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 28, 2017, 09:13:33 pm
Yes, Maxwell looked at home and deserves first go in the Ashes series. I wouldn't mind going 4 quicks, Starc, Hazelwood, Cummind and Pattinson with Maxwell in the First Test, although Lyon's done a great job. Batting will look alot stronger at home with each position covered. Indian conditions are so foreign to most of our batsmen. Bar the 3rd Test it was a tough low scoring series so not worried so much batting averages in the series. I thought we'd be whitewashed totally, like every other country has been in India, but to make such a tight contest was very encouraging.

I agree...be the 4 quicks for me vs the Poms, especially if Ali is batting down the order at 7 or 8 as their frontline spinner...we need the firepower to clean up their tail and
not give cheap late order runs away. India got way too many runs from their bowling allrounder types and from the keeper...Pattinson can also bat a bit as he showed in the shield final...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on March 29, 2017, 08:28:12 am
Kohli........ensuring he'll get a nice warm welcome form the Aus crowds next time he's here.

Honestly, what a prat.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 29, 2017, 08:57:29 am
Kohli........ensuring he'll get a nice warm welcome form the Aus crowds next time he's here.

Honestly, what a prat.

Strong early leading candidate for DH of the year!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on March 29, 2017, 09:35:33 am
Kohli........ensuring he'll get a nice warm welcome form the Aus crowds next time he's here.

Honestly, what a prat.

What the hell?  What DID we say/do to make him so embittered!?!

And while I'm at it - Aussies cricketers in India. Brave under the conditions? Playing in a cauldron? Intense pressure and scrutiny?

Pffft. Pussies.

Reminds of a certain justifiably arrogant football club that used to intimidate and dominate all comers.  Now we're everybody's biatch.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on March 29, 2017, 09:42:26 am
Whats the Ashes team look like?

1. Warner
2. Renshaw
3. Smith
4. Khawaja
5. Handscomb
6. Maxwell / Turner
7. Wade (wk)
8. Starc
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood

Reserves - O'Keefe, Pattinson, Bird, Maxwell / Turner, Stoinis.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 29, 2017, 10:16:08 am
What the hell?  What DID we say/do to make him so embittered!?!

They called him out for all his bullsh1t!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 29, 2017, 10:24:32 am
Whats the Ashes team look like?

1. Warner
2. Renshaw
3. Smith
4. Khawaja
5. Handscomb
6. Maxwell / Turner
7. Wade (wk)
8. Starc
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood

Reserves - O'Keefe, Pattinson, Bird, Maxwell / Turner, Stoinis.
Cartwright would also be in the mix at No.6 after a strong finish to the season, but Maxy will probably get first shot at it and deservedly so.

I'm no fan of Wade - he is an average keeper [at best] and an average batsman as well. We need a better batsman than him with a longish tail. Nevill is the best keeper batsman on form, or give Alex Carey a run. But I highly doubt that will happen - it looks like Boff and Smith love the bogan in him, despite the fact that he doesn't appear to add anything tactically to the team except for sledging the opposition. His batting in the 2nd innings of the last test was the final straw for me - dumbest cricket I've seen in a long long time...........
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on March 29, 2017, 10:28:57 am
Whats the Ashes team look like?

1. Warner
2. Renshaw
3. Smith
4. Khawaja
5. Handscomb
6. Maxwell / Turner
7. Wade (wk)
8. Starc
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood

Reserves - O'Keefe, Pattinson, Bird, Maxwell / Turner, Stoinis.

I'd only make one change to that line up...Stoinis in at number 6...his mediums are more useful than Maxwells bowling.....which wasn't considered at all useful by Smith obviously.  But, yes, at this stage Maxwell has earned his place.  And I'd really like Patto in there for the first Test somehow....it's fitting him in that's the problem. I think he'll be better than Cummins. (or Starc for that matter)

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 29, 2017, 11:24:44 am
I'd only make one change to that line up...Stoinis in at number 6...his mediums are more useful than Maxwells bowling.....which wasn't considered at all useful by Smith obviously.  But, yes, at this stage Maxwell has earned his place.  And I'd really like Patto in there for the first Test somehow....it's fitting him in that's the problem. I think he'll be better than Cummins. (or Starc for that matter)
But the question remains - why pick an 'all rounder and compromise the batting strength if the captain refuses to bowl them?? Smith clearly doesn't like to bowl the all rounders, so therefore you are better playing the best batsman at 6. The question is whether that is Head, Henriques, Cartwright, Turner, Maxy, Lynn, Stoinis or someone else.

So the selectors and Smith need to be aligned on the strategy first, which clearly they haven't been for a number of tests now. The fact that this escapes any media scrutiny is baffling to me.

We need to shore up the batting more than the bowling - this has been the root cause of our problems, not our ability to take 20 wickets.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 29, 2017, 12:01:05 pm
But the question remains - why pick an 'all rounder and compromise the batting strength if the captain refuses to bowl them?? Smith clearly doesn't like to bowl the all rounders, so therefore you are better playing the best batsman at 6. The question is whether that is Head, Henriques, Cartwright, Turner, Maxy, Lynn, Stoinis or someone else.

So the selectors and Smith need to be aligned on the strategy first, which clearly they haven't been for a number of tests now. The fact that this escapes any media scrutiny is baffling to me.

We need to shore up the batting more than the bowling - this has been the root cause of our problems, not our ability to take 20 wickets.

At the start of this Indian tour we had 4 capable batsmen in the top 6.
Warner and M Marsh didn't look like spending any meaningful time in the middle.
Maxwell showed plenty of ability and patience but MUST build on this tour.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 29, 2017, 12:41:43 pm
Warner just wants to play the shorter forms of the game and spend more time at home IMO....looks very stale with test cricket, will do better on the harder quicker tracks in Aus but he looks like his hunger for the game is down IMO....lost his cheeky lip too which sort of tells me he cant be bothered too much...
Rather sit at home with his kids and watch his OLED TV and count his money....
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Post by: malo on March 30, 2017, 10:00:03 am
Warner just wants to play the shorter forms of the game and spend more time at home IMO....looks very stale with test cricket, will do better on the harder quicker tracks in Aus but he looks like his hunger for the game is down IMO....lost his cheeky lip too which sort of tells me he cant be bothered too much...
Rather sit at home with his kids and watch his OLED TV and count his money....

He may retire from tests after the Ashes, unless he wants to go to England one more time for unfinished business......but, I think you're right, his days are numbered.  Question is, does Khawaja get the gig as the next opener (given he's been treated pretty poorly by the selectors so far)?  .....or is it someone else?  Burns, looks too much of a hard wicket player, Marcus Harris has gone OK, Ed Cowan has the best record.....again, but I fear will not get another shot.....although the same thinking doesn't seen to affect Shaun Marsh's chances.

Anyway, Warner will need to snap out of his slump quick smart, or he might not get to make the decision himself.
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Post by: laj on March 30, 2017, 10:29:49 am
Whats the Ashes team look like?

1. Warner
2. Renshaw
3. Smith
4. Khawaja
5. Handscomb
6. Maxwell / Turner
7. Wade (wk)
8. Starc
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood

Reserves - O'Keefe, Pattinson, Bird, Maxwell / Turner, Stoinis.


1. Warner
2. Renshaw
3. Smith
4. Khawaja
5. Handscomb
6. Maxwell
7. Wade (wk)
8. Starc
9. Cummins
10. Lyon/Pattinson
11. Hazlewood

Barring whether you want Lyon or a 4th quick in the line up then side picks itself.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 30, 2017, 10:31:07 am
Kohli........ensuring he'll get a nice warm welcome form the Aus crowds next time he's here.

Honestly, what a prat.

The old "Hadlee's a wanker" chant might come out, obviously substituting "Hadlee" for "Kohli". He'd be one bloke that would really hate that.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 30, 2017, 10:37:54 am
At the start of this Indian tour we had 4 capable batsmen in the top 6.
Warner and M Marsh didn't look like spending any meaningful time in the middle.
Maxwell showed plenty of ability and patience but MUST build on this tour.

Warner got starts in quick time then went out. India's certainly not his favourite spot. He gets too many starts overseas without going on. He has score of 50+ 19 times overseas compared to 23 at home. The issue being he doesn't convert them overseas (4 centuries overseas compared to 14 at home) as a case in point. In India it was worse, get to 15-20 in double quick time then get out.

Yes, Maxwell deserves first go and must build on what he's produced in India. He's fires and we have a pretty powerful team come the Ashes.

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Post by: LP on March 30, 2017, 11:00:22 am

1. Warner
2. Renshaw
3. Smith
4. Khawaja
5. Handscomb
6. Maxwell
7. Wade (wk)
8. Starc
9. Cummins
10. Lyon/Pattinson
11. Hazlewood

Barring whether you want Lyon or a 4th quick in the line up then side picks itself.

That's a good squad, I'd go to watch that bowling line up regardless of who gets the 12th man role(Hopefully not Maxwell).

I think the batting order is wrong, I think Pattinson should probably bat above Starc.

Maybe there is one too many LHB in that side, it needs a bit more RHB/LHB balance to keep the opposition bowlers unsettled on a line. Perhaps that can be resolved with an order shuffle, I'd consider promoting Handscomb up the order at home, leaving Khawaja and Maxwell as a pretty dynamic middle order. Maxwell is hard to bowl to left or right hand!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 30, 2017, 11:14:14 am
That's a good squad, I'd go to watch that bowling line up regardless of who gets the 12th man role(Hopefully not Maxwell).

I think the batting order is wrong, I think Pattinson should probably bat above Starc.

Maybe there is one too many LHB in that side, it needs a bit more RHB/LHB balance to keep the opposition bowlers unsettled on a line. Perhaps that can be resolved with an order shuffle, I'd consider promoting Handscomb up the order at home, leaving Khawaja and Maxwell as a pretty dynamic middle order. Maxwell is hard to bowl to left or right hand!

You could go either way with the batting line-up. Starc, Pattinson and Cummins can all bat. Only reason I had Pattinson down there is I had Lyon/Pattinson, which is Lyons position. Probably wouldn't touch the top order as that's each batsman's best position. Either way, it's a strong line-up.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 30, 2017, 11:15:21 am
He may retire from tests after the Ashes, unless he wants to go to England one more time for unfinished business......but, I think you're right, his days are numbered.  Question is, does Khawaja get the gig as the next opener (given he's been treated pretty poorly by the selectors so far)?  .....or is it someone else?  Burns, looks too much of a hard wicket player, Marcus Harris has gone OK, Ed Cowan has the best record.....again, but I fear will not get another shot.....although the same thinking doesn't seen to affect Shaun Marsh's chances.

Anyway, Warner will need to snap out of his slump quick smart, or he might not get to make the decision himself.

I think Khawaja has to be next in line, better technique than most and the only downside to him is that he isnt so great in the field...not sure why he gets left out of so many tests
given he went so well in our summer. Burns isnt the type of player I would fancy vs the Poms especially on their wickets, just to loose outside off for me...
Cowan has probably been tried and wont get another go....goes ok in the commentary box and thats where his future lies IMO...
Justin Langer will be the next coach and I expect Whiteman to be the next keeper....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 30, 2017, 11:41:11 am
What will be interesting is that, by the time the Ashes comes around, Warner's current bat is illegal.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 30, 2017, 11:57:33 am
I think Khawaja has to be next in line, better technique than most and the only downside to him is that he isnt so great in the field...not sure why he gets left out of so many tests
given he went so well in our summer. Burns isnt the type of player I would fancy vs the Poms especially on their wickets, just to loose outside off for me...
Cowan has probably been tried and wont get another go....goes ok in the commentary box and thats where his future lies IMO...
Justin Langer will be the next coach and I expect Whiteman to be the next keeper....

Khawaja will be straight in back in Australia. Batting line-up with pick itself.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on March 30, 2017, 12:07:42 pm
What will be interesting is that, by the time the Ashes comes around, Warner's current bat is illegal.

No big deal. Just use bats that are legal.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 30, 2017, 12:34:03 pm
No big deal. Just use bats that are legal.

I suppose so.

But I know at the highest levels of many sports the top professionals swap and change bats, rackets, clubs, etc., etc.. as way of getting their timing and power right. If they think on the day their swing/stroke is a bit late or early they'll swap to get something with a slightly different weight or balance to compensate. Tennis is probably the most obvious case, I recall golf was like that although I am not sure if variable weights are still legal in golf clubs but they used to be tuned up after the practice rounds. Other sports like hockey, baseball, even billiards and snooker the top level players have equipment with weights, tensions or tolerances either side of the ideal that they swap between on the day.

I wouldn't be surprised to find cricketers doing much the same.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 30, 2017, 02:31:08 pm
The lad from Tassie - Doolan ? - played an outstanding knock in South Africa in a test match a few years ago, I thought that he looked an outstanding Test bat in both technique and temperament.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on March 30, 2017, 03:43:26 pm
The lad from Tassie - Doolan ? - played an outstanding knock in South Africa in a test match a few years ago, I thought that he looked an outstanding Test bat in both technique and temperament.

Was shafted, lost his confidence, struggled to get runs since.  Started to get back into form before Christmas, got a double hundred but got hit on the head & had to miss the next game.......which was the last Shield game for about 2 months while the Big Bash Circus took over.

Then his form was gone again when the long cricket finally started up.  Has had Tim Paines luck rub off on him I think.....

Mind, he did score a hundred in the TCA (Club) final for South Hobart-Sandy Bay in Hobart last week against my old side (North Hobart) .....darn it !  South had a batting line up consisting of...Ben Dunk, Alex Doolan, George Bailey...tough to bowl at in A Grade.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 30, 2017, 05:57:48 pm
Go the Bushrangers.

Pattinson must be close to MoM.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 27, 2017, 09:33:28 pm
Dave Warner killing em on the sub continent again
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 27, 2017, 09:43:23 pm
Dave Warner killing em on the sub continent again

Think thats where his interest is now .......
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on August 28, 2017, 02:08:37 pm
At 3 wickets down for 18 runs, with both Warner and Khawaja back in the pavilion, it is NOT LOOKING SATISFACTORY!
It appears that neither of these guys can play spin on spinning tracks. Hopefully somebody can play spin.... Or am I dreaming.... :(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 28, 2017, 02:19:05 pm
At 3 wickets down for 18 runs, with both Warner and Khawaja back in the pavilion, it is NOT LOOKING SATISFACTORY!
It appears that neither of these guys can play spin on spinning tracks. Hopefully somebody can play spin.... Or am I dreaming.... :(

Khawaja was run out.
Smith can play spin but just got bowled
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on August 28, 2017, 02:42:35 pm
we were 4-33 at one stage....at least lyon was one of the outs....but long way back...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 28, 2017, 06:25:39 pm
Wade has had enough chances... time to give another bloke a try.  HIs batting, especially against spin, is rank.

Warner is on pretty thin ice as well IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on August 29, 2017, 08:33:41 am
Wade has had enough chances... time to give another bloke a try.  HIs batting, especially against spin, is rank.

Warner is on pretty thin ice as well IMO.

Agar is the best allrounder option we've got, he's got the class as a batsman that Mitch Marsh never had.......the crying shame is that he's a spinner & we can't play he & Lyon both during the Ashes !

Maxie just is also not good enough as a standalone spin  option.....and Wade probably can't be batted at 6 to accommodate my dream Ashes attack of all 4 pace bowlers + Lyon.

Oh for a Gilly now.....or a Quentin De Koek !

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 29, 2017, 10:56:32 am
Isn't Agar a leftie?  Hes taller than Lyon and a bloody good field as well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 29, 2017, 08:18:14 pm
Gees, Khawaja has had an awful test.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 29, 2017, 08:21:57 pm
Isn't Agar a leftie?  Hes taller than Lyon and a bloody good field as well.

Dont mind Agar but are we leaning towards him because of his batting only and as our poor mans Moeen Ali...he has to be able to bowl teams out, not sure he
has done that in State Cricket yet?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 29, 2017, 08:26:34 pm
2-51, Warner 40no of 48 balls. Need him to bat for a few hours then we'll be close. Need another 214.

Thought we'd struggle this Test, no match practice and straight on a dry, dusty turner. The Bangers are a real team at home these days. The beat England at home on the Poms last tour. Ball is spitting of the surface everywhere according to the commentary. Tough work. We'll actually have a easier time beating the Poms here.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 29, 2017, 08:31:47 pm
2-51, Warner 40no of 48 balls. Need him to bat for a few hours then we'll be close. Need another 214.

Thought we'd struggle this Test, no match practice and straight on a dry, dusty turner. The Bangers are a real team at home these days. The beat England at home on the Poms last tour. Ball is spitting of the surface everywhere according to the commentary. Tough work. We'll actually have a easier time beating the Poms here.

Agree....spinning sub-continent wickets are the downfall of many a touring team.....we dont play spin that well and
I thought we would struggle. I'd expect us to beat a reconstructed Poms team easy on quicker bouncy wickets....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 29, 2017, 08:50:23 pm
Up to 2/69. Warner 50. Need another 196.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 29, 2017, 09:14:17 pm
2/100. Chase has been good, the worry is if we lose a wicket and the rest might crash like 9 pins on turning track.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 30, 2017, 04:54:50 am
New batsman find starting on such pitches very difficult. Openers sometimes get a sighter from some pedestrian "pace" which can help.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 30, 2017, 07:57:04 am
All those people who wanted Nathan Lyon replaced must be munching the remnants of their last few teeth right now!

What a champion, and what crap captains he's played under!
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Post by: flyboy77 on August 30, 2017, 09:50:22 am
if Warner gets another 30 or more we'll win....

I think the Bangladeshis will startt to feel the pressure. And kudos to Lyon.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 30, 2017, 05:58:58 pm
if Warner gets another 30 or more we'll win....

I think the Bangladeshis will startt to feel the pressure. And kudos to Lyon.

He got another 40 and we lost. 3/170, all out 244. I was worried once Warner and Smith were out they'd all crash like nine pins. The only reason we got to within 20 runs was due to Cummins (especially) and Lyon at the end. Cummins smashed them everywhere and ended up not out.
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Post by: flyboy77 on August 30, 2017, 06:06:34 pm
well, good on the Bangladeshis!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 30, 2017, 08:04:04 pm
Poms got rolled by the Windies in the 2nd test with some new gun batsman making centuries in both innings so I dont feel so bad losing to the Bangers...
Probably hard to get motivated when you are playing lesser teams and you have to expect the odd loss especially on the sub-continent where the pitches and umpiring can be a bit fickle....
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Post by: DJC on August 30, 2017, 08:10:32 pm
Poms got rolled by the Windies in the 2nd test with some new gun batsman making centuries in both innings so I dont feel so bad losing to the Bangers...
Probably hard to get motivated when you are playing lesser teams and you have to expect the odd loss especially on the sub-continent where the pitches and umpiring can be a bit fickle....

I heard Geoff Boycott complaining that the Windies had the worst test team ever - I wonder if he's changed his tune  :)

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on August 30, 2017, 08:17:12 pm
Worst in 50 years or so I think he said!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on August 30, 2017, 08:22:42 pm
Poms got rolled by the Windies in the 2nd test with some new gun batsman making centuries in both innings so I dont feel so bad losing to the Bangers...
Probably hard to get motivated when you are playing lesser teams and you have to expect the odd loss especially on the sub-continent where the pitches and umpiring can be a bit fickle....
Surely they are motivated by the Coin they are on EB? Or they just taking the pi55?
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Post by: sydneybluesfan on August 30, 2017, 08:54:54 pm
I just reckon the majority of them aren't any good when the ball is turning. Every nation knows that we are home/flat track bullies, so prepare tracks accordingly.

Have we ever fielded a worse keeper than Wade?? In this match alone he let through 30 byes, dropped a few catches and scored 9 runs.  In a match lost by 20 runs that's the game right there.

Since coming back into the team he averages 18, and has gone over 20 only 5 times in 18 innings - he is going to fail with the bat 2 out of 3 times and we keep picking him!

I would give Handscombe the gloves in the next test and play Cartwright. You can then play another spinner in place of Hazlewood. I thought we bowled pretty well except for the first morning, but Smith is still clueless about mixing up his slow bowlers.
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Post by: Professer E on August 30, 2017, 09:02:07 pm
We have only ever chased down 200 once in Asia, so it was a fair effort given that we are three out all out.

The gun Bangla all rounder is clearly in a world best 11 ATM.

Had a gutful of made to order home pitches.  Another sub-standard dust bowl.

Khawaja should never play a test outside Australia again.

Wade should never play a test again, period.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on August 30, 2017, 09:22:46 pm
I just reckon the majority of them aren't any good when the ball is turning. Every nation knows that we are home/flat track bullies, so prepare tracks accordingly.

Have we ever fielded a worse keeper than Wade?? In this match alone he let through 30 byes, dropped a few catches and scored 9 runs.  In a match lost by 20 runs that's the game right there.

Since coming back into the team he averages 18, and has gone over 20 only 5 times in 18 innings - he is going to fail with the bat 2 out of 3 times and we keep picking him!

I would give Handscombe the gloves in the next test and play Cartwright. You can then play another spinner in place of Hazlewood. I thought we bowled pretty well except for the first morning, but Smith is still clueless about mixing up his slow bowlers.
No way Handscombe as the keeper, I'm not sacrificing his batting just to get a half decent keeper into the side...next option!
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 30, 2017, 09:26:49 pm
No way Handscombe as the keeper, I'm not sacrificing his batting just to get a half decent keeper into the side...next option!

I like the Yorkshireman who plays for WA...Sam Whiteman.....solid keeper and very handy with the willow....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 30, 2017, 09:28:02 pm
I just reckon the majority of them aren't any good when the ball is turning. Every nation knows that we are home/flat track bullies, so prepare tracks accordingly.

Have we ever fielded a worse keeper than Wade?? In this match alone he let through 30 byes, dropped a few catches and scored 9 runs.  In a match lost by 20 runs that's the game right there.

Since coming back into the team he averages 18, and has gone over 20 only 5 times in 18 innings - he is going to fail with the bat 2 out of 3 times and we keep picking him!

I would give Handscombe the gloves in the next test and play Cartwright. You can then play another spinner in place of Hazlewood. I thought we bowled pretty well except for the first morning, but Smith is still clueless about mixing up his slow bowlers.

Just about every nation are good at home and crap away. Comes when there's no dominate team in world cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on August 30, 2017, 09:28:17 pm
agree x4 EB1. He's a keeper. pun intended!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on August 30, 2017, 09:47:39 pm
I'm not suggesting Handscombe as a long term option - I'm talking about next week for the 2nd test and we don't have a backup keeper on tour other than Handscombe! He is no worse as a keeper, and allows you to play another all rounder to bolster the batting, because we don't have a spare batsman in the touring squad.

Carey, Whiteman and Nevill are all vastly superior as batsmen and keepers than Wade - I would be happy with any of them right now. I cannot understand why Wade was bought back in the first place, and he has averaged 18 since his return which was purely based on his batting being superior to Nevill. We will almost certainly have a debut wicket keeper for the the first Ashes test, which is not ideal.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on August 31, 2017, 01:41:21 pm
The Keeper that CA was looking to fill the gap was Tim Paine. He is a superior gloveman, to pace anyway, and a potential top order batsman. Unfortunately he has been ruined by some less than stunning form and a lot of injuries. At this point in his career, I don't think he is ever going to be the player that CA expected him to be.

With Paine out of the picture, CA had to look elsewhere. They went for Wade because his betting was better AT STATE LEVEL than his competition. His batting for Victoria has been excellent. But he has NEVER been able to bring that level of batting to his international career. Seriously, his batting numbers are worse than the man he replaced.

At this point, I think CA is waiting for one of the younger keepers to come up and demand a spot. It hasn't quite happened yet, but with Wade moving back to Tassie and a number of new keepers appearing, CA might get what they are looking for.
The question is what to do in the meantime?
I am not sure I would want to sacrifice Handscomb by having him keep on such surfaces as they provide in Bangladesh. The ball is never going to come through. The ball will spin in the first over. He has probably never kept under these conditions.
However, we may have no choice as long as Wade continues to struggle.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 31, 2017, 01:48:04 pm
They should make Wade, Khawaja or Handscomb captain, they are miles ahead of Smith tactically. Wade's game lifts considerably when he has the responsibility.

As a captain, Smith is a great batsmen.

Get a tactically decent captain and the whole team will lift. At the moment our bowling rotations look like U12 stuff. It's not that we are failing to score, we are letting the opposition score too much. Our bowling or fielding fix comes too late, the decisions come too slowly after the horse has bolted!

Our problem was letting Bangladesh score 250+, on a mystery pitch that was barely prepared, not our failure to score 250 ourselves.

I can't help but worry that Boof has the captain that keeps in comfortable in his coaches job, but ironically it could bite Boof on the ar5e!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on August 31, 2017, 03:12:33 pm
The Keeper that CA was looking to fill the gap was Tim Paine. He is a superior gloveman, to pace anyway, and a potential top order batsman. Unfortunately he has been ruined by some less than stunning form and a lot of injuries. At this point in his career, I don't think he is ever going to be the player that CA expected him to be.

With Paine out of the picture, CA had to look elsewhere. They went for Wade because his betting was better AT STATE LEVEL than his competition. His batting for Victoria has been excellent. But he has NEVER been able to bring that level of batting to his international career. Seriously, his batting numbers are worse than the man he replaced.

At this point, I think CA is waiting for one of the younger keepers to come up and demand a spot. It hasn't quite happened yet, but with Wade moving back to Tassie and a number of new keepers appearing, CA might get what they are looking for.
The question is what to do in the meantime?
I am not sure I would want to sacrifice Handscomb by having him keep on such surfaces as they provide in Bangladesh. The ball is never going to come through. The ball will spin in the first over. He has probably never kept under these conditions.
However, we may have no choice as long as Wade continues to struggle.
I agree with all that.

The issue for me is, can Handscombe do any worse than Wade?? Probably not. And by making that move we allow ourselves to pick another batsman [who can also bowl] to bolster the batting line up, which continues to crumble in the middle when under pressure. You then replace JH with SOK.

The Wade experiment has been a bust, and we should do something different. But I have no confidence that the deadheads on the selection panel would ever admit they were wrong and drop Wade mid tour.

And I also agree with LP that the tactics from Smith with his bowling changes continues to be amateur hour - he really is poor with his choices and when to make changes and mix things up. He doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes which is what bugs me, and Boof is not the sharpest tool in the shed which doesn't help either....... 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 31, 2017, 03:14:40 pm
I agree with all that.

The issue for me is, can Handscombe do any worse than Wade?? Probably not. And by making that move we allow ourselves to pick another batsman [who can also bowl] to bolster the batting line up, which continues to crumble in the middle when under pressure. You then replace JH with SOK.

The Wade experiment has been a bust, and we should do something different. But I have no confidence that the deadheads on the selection panel would ever admit they were wrong and drop Wade mid tour.

And I also agree with LP that the tactics from Smith with his bowling changes continues to be amateur hour - he really is poor with his choices and when to make changes and mix things up. He doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes which is what bugs me, and Boof is not the sharpest tool in the shed which doesn't help either.......

Langar is going to be the new coach sooner or later....not sure he is an improvement in the sharper tool category though....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on September 25, 2017, 08:02:19 am
They just need to make one change, change the captain.

He can stay as a batsmen, but he has to go as captain.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on September 25, 2017, 08:11:22 am
They just need to make one change, change the captain.

He can stay as a batsmen, but he has to go as captain.

They should make one change. Sutherland
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on September 25, 2017, 08:40:07 am
Dunno, we are the best team in the world.... On our own decks.  Indias bats look great when pace bowling is rendered valueless.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on September 25, 2017, 10:55:35 am
Handing Smith the captaincy is like handing the opposition your game plan in advance. He has no flair, no inventiveness, he seems incapable of any form of dynamic decision making and repeats the same formulaic approach over and over again.

I rate him as a worst Australian Captain in the past 40 years, worse than Yallop or Hughes given the state of the current test match opposition, which says something as Test Match Cricket is at it's lowest ebb since the impact of the war years!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on September 30, 2017, 10:37:45 pm
Talk about imploding.....what chance Ben Stokes to play 1st Ashes rest? Lucky not have a manslaughter on his hands.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on October 01, 2017, 02:20:04 pm
Dunno, we are the best team in the world.... On our own decks.  Indias bats look great when pace bowling is rendered valueless.

There's no stand out side at the moment so winning away is a tough ask. I'll be glad for us just to get off the sub-continent. We seem to be always there at the moment.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 05, 2017, 06:23:03 pm
WTF???

When Wade was keeping for Victoria it was all about him being a spud and needing replacement with Neville or some other. Now he's a Tasmanian it's "Give him another chance!"

In the meantime Carey and Neville have failed to make inroads on Wade despite Wade's recent shield failures.

The irony for me, if Handscomb chooses to be keeper he'll get the job ahead of the others regardless. But it's probably a career dead end for Handscomb as it would almost certainly rule him out as Australian captain, a job he should have for the next decade replacing Smith!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 05, 2017, 06:45:55 pm
WTF???

When Wade was keeping for Victoria it was all about him being a spud and needing replacement with Neville or some other. Now he's a Tasmanian it's "Give him another chance!"

In the meantime Carey and Neville have failed to make inroads on Wade despite Wade's recent shield failures.

The irony for me, if Handscomb chooses to be keeper he'll get the job ahead of the others regardless. But it's probably a career dead end for Handscomb as it would almost certainly rule him out as Australian captain, a job he should have for the next decade replacing Smith!

Handscomb has made it very clear that he won't be keeping in tests.  Apart from "hurting too much" he feels that keeping would stop him batting at 4 or earlier, and that's his preference.

Apparently Wade is likely to lose the Tassie gloves and play as a specialist batsman if he misses out on test selection.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 05, 2017, 06:55:36 pm
England have sent out a very average team IMO....their batting is very ordinary bar Cook and Root, the other blokes barely average between 20-30 at test level.
To me it looks like they expect to lose and have sent a seconds team sprinkled with a few regulars ...other than Anderson and Broad their bowlers are unknowns.

I reckon Carey might get the gloves ahead of Neville...Smith has been under fire for picking his mates so I reckon he might go the new boy...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 05, 2017, 08:33:46 pm
Our batting is pretty shaky as well EB, too early to say the poms are weak, we normally have more than a few passengers as well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 06, 2017, 07:36:43 am
Our batting is pretty shaky as well EB, too early to say the poms are weak, we normally have more than a few passengers as well.

Hazelwood 9 overs 3 for 13 against WA.

S. Marsh out for 2, M. Marsh a duck!

Maxwell might just get the #6 spot.

Wade? Meh....time to try another option. Nevill at 32 yo?

Might as well blood a younger bloke imo. Bancroft?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 06, 2017, 08:36:24 am
I reckon this article sums up what is ailing Australian cricket:

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Steve Smith admits he played a key role in Ed Cowan's Sheffield Shield snubbing, saying New South Wales batsman Daniel Hughes is a player of Test potential who deserves his spot.

Ed Cowan's 16-17 Shield record

Matches: 9
Innings: 16
Runs: 959 (top-ranked in competition)
High score: 212
Average: 73.76

The availability of Test batsmen Smith and David Warner meant Cowan was overlooked for the Blues' season-opening Shield clash with South Australia that starts on Friday at Adelaide Oval.

Former Test opener Cowan was the leading Shield run-scorer during the 2016-17 season, a performance that resulted in him winning the Steve Waugh medal as NSW's best player.

But state selectors have instead turned to Hughes, who recently scored two centuries during the domestic one-day competition plus a double-ton in grade cricket.

"I did have an involvement and it's a tough selection," Smith told reporters at the launch of his biography The Journey.

"Unfortunately people have to miss out and on this occasion it's Ed.

"I've told him myself that when he comes back into the team … he has to continue to set the standard and do what he did so well last year."

The decision to pick 28-year-old Hughes ahead of 35-year-old Cowan has triggered widespread debate, with some pundits alleging the latter's dim view of Cricket Australia and vocal role in this year's pay dispute contributed.

Chris Rogers, who played Test cricket until he was almost 38 years old, called it "confusing" given Cowan scored 959 runs during the most recent Shield season.

Smith described Hughes, who averages 36.68 from 17 first-class games, as a player of Test potential.

"He looks like he has a very good technique. He plays the new ball well as we've seen in one-day cricket," he said.

Cricket's civil war isn't over yet

"He's been in terrific form. It's a good opportunity for him to play with the likes of myself and Davey [Warner], learn a little bit off us and the way we prepare.

"And a good chance for me to see him play as well … against some good pink-ball bowlers in Adelaide."

Warner agreed Hughes was capable of donning the baggy green in the future.

"Definitely. He's got composure, got patience … he's an exceptional talent," Warner said.

"Ed will be a bit disappointed … he knows exactly what he needs to do and that's what he does all the time — just churn out runs.

"He's eager to still put that baggy green on. I wish him all the best, he's a great person and a great leader."

The best batsman in NSW is left out because a younger bloke "has potential" - no performances to speak of (apart from a grade cricket 200) but potential  ::)

Meanwhile, Cowan's chances of getting back into the Test squad are shot.  Of course he can get back if he churns out runs - but isn't that what got him dropped from the NSW team?

As long as individuals like Smith have the power to effectively rule someone out of Test selection, we will continue to field teams that don't include the best performing cricketers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 06, 2017, 08:45:52 am
I reckon this article sums up what is ailing Australian cricket:

The best batsman in NSW is left out because a younger bloke "has potential" - no performances to speak of (apart from a grade cricket 200) but potential  ::)

Meanwhile, Cowan's chances of getting back into the Test squad are shot.  Of course he can get back if he churns out runs - but isn't that what got him dropped from the NSW team?

As long as individuals like Smith have the power to effectively rule someone out of Test selection, we will continue to field teams that don't include the best performing cricketers.

Gee, I reckon Tassie would take Cowan back in a heartbeat the way they're capitulating this season....Wade might be dropped for Timmy Paine at Shield level !



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2017, 11:54:46 am
The only positions we need to look at are no.6 and the keeper, both of which could go to anyone. In Australia the rest of the batting line up is pretty good and at home the tail often make a good contribution too. Bowling line up is very strong.

Not sure where to go with the keeper. Wade is finally keeping pretty well but then is batting terribly. None of the other keepers are burning it up either. Wade will probably stay on the basis of being the incumbent given none of them are in form. No.6 I have no idea. That's just as difficult on form.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 06, 2017, 12:39:30 pm
Gee, I reckon Tassie would take Cowan back in a heartbeat the way they're capitulating this season....Wade might be dropped for Timmy Paine at Shield level !

Harshly done by has been Cowan, his strong approach/criticisms with player payments/rights vs the ACB have cost him IMO.
Reckon the ACB pressured Smith to knife him.....Cowans form was excellent last season and there is no logic to his NSW dropping other than the ACB's dislike of him...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 07, 2017, 08:08:21 am
The only positions we need to look at are no.6 and the keeper, both of which could go to anyone. In Australia the rest of the batting line up is pretty good and at home the tail often make a good contribution too. Bowling line up is very strong.

Not sure where to go with the keeper. Wade is finally keeping pretty well but then is batting terribly. None of the other keepers are burning it up either. Wade will probably stay on the basis of being the incumbent given none of them are in form. No.6 I have no idea. That's just as difficult on form.

I think the Ashes this year will be a battle of which batting lineup collapses least.  England have Cook & Root & that's it, Aus still look brittle if a couple of early wickets fall.  The Aus attack looks very strong although you can never write off Broad & Anderson (Broad will be more dangerous, he always is in Australian conditions).  I hope we target Moen Ali on these pitches like we did Swan last time.  He's honestly not good enough to be their number 1 spinner.  If he gets smashed early, make the Poms decide if they really want to carry him for his batting alone.

Looking forward to 1st Test......as I'm heading up for it !



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 07, 2017, 09:14:08 am
I think the Ashes this year will be a battle of which batting lineup collapses least.  England have Cook & Root & that's it, Aus still look brittle if a couple of early wickets fall.  The Aus attack looks very strong although you can never write off Broad & Anderson (Broad will be more dangerous, he always is in Australian conditions).  I hope we target Moen Ali on these pitches like we did Swan last time.  He's honestly not good enough to be their number 1 spinner.  If he gets smashed early, make the Poms decide if they really want to carry him for his batting alone.

Looking forward to 1st Test......as I'm heading up for it !

I don't see Cook being to effective out here.
If he does it will be a great effort but my money will be on Starc and Hazlewood getting him pretty cheaply.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 07, 2017, 12:12:58 pm
I don't see Cook being to effective out here.
If he does it will be a great effort but my money will be on Starc and Hazlewood getting him pretty cheaply.

Probably won't be their worst, but probably won't have a great impact either.

Could do a Boycott and cause us some frustration if he holds up an end!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 08, 2017, 10:10:23 am
I sit back and wonder what this summer will bring.
We have a crowded summer, as usual, but we are ordinary and the Poms are not much different. So the chance of really top class cricket is not overly high.
Then we have Aussie pitches and Aussie balls: designed to last 5 days, perhaps, but designed for batsmen to make runs. The ball doesn't move much after the initial spell with the new ball.
Our bowling attack looks reasonable, but spin is still our distinct weakness. Lyon has done everything asked of him and is the best performed finger spinner for Australia, but he isn't a Shane Warne.
We look for up and coming spinners and see their figures being aweful. Not surprising: drop in pitches don't spin as much as they used to do. So batsmen can hot through the line of the ball and ruin a spinner's figures fairly easily.

Same old problems: lack of batting depth and batting consistency, flat pitches and lack of truely world class spinners. Same old lack of solutions.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2017, 10:25:11 am
I sit back and wonder what this summer will bring.
We have a crowded summer, as usual, but we are ordinary and the Poms are not much different. So the chance of really top class cricket is not overly high.
Then we have Aussie pitches and Aussie balls: designed to last 5 days, perhaps, but designed for batsmen to make runs. The ball doesn't move much after the initial spell with the new ball.

It may well be that the two evenly match below average teams bring a close contest though.

Our bowling attack looks reasonable, but spin is still our distinct weakness. Lyon has done everything asked of him and is the best performed finger spinner for Australia, but he isn't a Shane Warne.

We look for up and coming spinners and see their figures being aweful. Not surprising: drop in pitches don't spin as much as they used to do. So batsmen can hot through the line of the ball and ruin a spinner's figures fairly easily.

Same old problems: lack of batting depth and batting consistency, flat pitches and lack of truely world class spinners. Same old lack of solutions.

I think it's unfair to compare Lyon to Warne, or any spin bowler to Warne. Lyon is first class, elite by any standard and would be even better if he had a captain who knew what he was doing!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2017, 10:25:43 am
Bancroft was close to a cap last summer and I reckon might go very close again.  Surely can't go with Hughes or Jake Lehman, either of those selections reeks of nepotism.  Maxwell seems to be on the nose and isn't making enough runs either.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 08, 2017, 12:22:41 pm
S. Marsh
Recent matches
Bat & Bowl   Team   Opposition   Ground   Match Date   Scorecard
2, 91   West Aust   v NSW   Sydney   4 Nov 2017   FC
63, 11   West Aust   v Tasmania   Perth   26 Oct 2017   FC
32   West Aust   v South Aust   Hobart   21 Oct 2017   LA
-   West Aust   v CA XI   Sydney   17 Oct 2017   LA
29   West Aust   v South Aust   Sydney   15 Oct 2017   LA
69   West Aust   v Queensland   Sydney   11 Oct 2017   LA
62   West Aust   v Tasmania   Perth   7 Oct 2017   LA
88   West Aust   v Victoria   Perth   1 Oct 2017   LA
132*   West Aust   v NSW   Perth   29 Sep 2017   LA
78, 125*   Yorkshire   v Surrey   The Oval   12 Sep 2017   FC

C. Bancroft

Recent matches
Bat & Bowl   Team   Opposition   Ground   Match Date   Scorecard
2c/0s, 76*, 1c/0s, 86   West Aust   v NSW   Sydney   4 Nov 2017   FC
18, 17   West Aust   v Tasmania   Perth   26 Oct 2017   FC
2c/0s, 76   West Aust   v South Aust   Hobart   21 Oct 2017   LA
1c/0s   West Aust   v CA XI   Sydney   17 Oct 2017   LA
0c/0s, 0   West Aust   v South Aust   Sydney   15 Oct 2017   LA
73, 2c/0s   West Aust   v Queensland   Sydney   11 Oct 2017   LA
2c/1s, 29*   West Aust   v Tasmania   Perth   7 Oct 2017   LA
59, 2c/0s   West Aust   v Victoria   Perth   1 Oct 2017   LA
28, 1c/0s   West Aust   v NSW   Perth   29 Sep 2017   LA
206*, 72   Gloucs   v Kent   Bristol   12 Sep 2017   FC
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 09, 2017, 12:38:09 pm
It may well be that the two evenly match below average teams bring a close contest though.

I think it's unfair to compare Lyon to Warne, or any spin bowler to Warne. Lyon is first class, elite by any standard and would be even better if he had a captain who knew what he was doing!
Indeed Lyon is statistically the best offie we've ever had. But offies have rarely prospered in Australia. Most batsmen see them as their next source of runs. Statistically even the best offies have had lousy times in Australia. Left hand finger spinners have been more successful and Australia has played more of them. Leggies have traditionally been the spinners of choice: Warne and co were merely the latest. They have had a lot of success. Alas we seem to be pretty short of leggies at the moment.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 09, 2017, 01:45:09 pm
Cricket Australia has decided that Josh Hazlewood only needs one Shield game as preparation for the Test series.  He will be training under CA's fitness gurus rather than actually playing the game.

What are the chances of him (a) breaking down or (b) bowling ineffectively?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 09, 2017, 02:09:43 pm
Indeed Lyon is statistically the best offie we've ever had. But offies have rarely prospered in Australia. Most batsmen see them as their next source of runs. Statistically even the best offies have had lousy times in Australia. Left hand finger spinners have been more successful and Australia has played more of them. Leggies have traditionally been the spinners of choice: Warne and co were merely the latest. They have had a lot of success. Alas we seem to be pretty short of leggies at the moment.

I agree, but I think that says more about the captaincy and use of the bowler rather than the bowler them-self.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 09, 2017, 02:20:51 pm
Cricket Australia has decided that Josh Hazlewood only needs one Shield game as preparation for the Test series.  He will be training under CA's fitness gurus rather than actually playing the game.

What are the chances of him (a) breaking down or (b) bowling ineffectively?

Unbelievable.....the only thing that gets your body fit for fast bowling is....wait for it....bowling.

These physios & "fitness" hangers on have absolutely no idea of the fitness requirements of a fast bowler, it is unlike just about any other sport & is making the body try to do something that is completely foreign to it.

You cannot kid glove fast bowlers.  They will break without hard match fitness.



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 09, 2017, 02:25:12 pm
You cannot kid glove fast bowlers.  They will break without hard match fitness.

There is complete paranoia that someone will sue because of a stress related back condition.

But I was at a cricket night not so long ago with Thommo and Merv and they seemed physically about right for guys their age and weight.

Can you imagine a coach or captain telling Thommo or Merv they can't bowl any more because they had their monthly allocation of overs?

When I was young you bowled as many overs as possible, or that you were physically capable of bowling. That was how you got wickets and perfected deliveries. Of course I was 6' as a 17 year old and I'm 4'11" now, but what's that got to do with it? :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 10, 2017, 08:34:05 am
There is complete paranoia that someone will sue because of a stress related back condition.

But I was at a cricket night not so long ago with Thommo and Merv and they seemed physically about right for guys their age and weight.

Can you imagine a coach or captain telling Thommo or Merv they can't bowl any more because they had their monthly allocation of overs?

When I was young you bowled as many overs as possible, or that you were physically capable of bowling. That was how you got wickets and perfected deliveries. Of course I was 6' as a 17 year old and I'm 4'11" now, but what's that got to do with it? :o

haha.....yeah, I still have the odd complaint every year or so from my back these days as a reminder to what I used to make it do every summer week in week out for over 15 years  !!

But seriously, the bowling restrictions on junior fast bowlers are just ridiculous.  I'm not saying that 16 year olds should be bowling 10 over spells & 30 overs in a day, but make the restrictions sensible.  Otherwise what happens when these underage bowlers who've only ever bowled 4 overs at a time & a small maximum amount for day suddenly get into senior ranks....where there are no bowling restrictions ?  Their bodys are just not prepared.  And that's when they get injured.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 10, 2017, 11:08:46 am
haha.....yeah, I still have the odd complaint every year or so from my back these days as a reminder to what I used to make it do every summer week in week out for over 15 years  !!

But seriously, the bowling restrictions on junior fast bowlers are just ridiculous.  I'm not saying that 16 year olds should be bowling 10 over spells & 30 overs in a day, but make the restrictions sensible.  Otherwise what happens when these underage bowlers who've only ever bowled 4 overs at a time & a small maximum amount for day suddenly get into senior ranks....where there are no bowling restrictions ?  Their bodys are just not prepared.  And that's when they get injured.

It's ridiculous isn't it, at the end of the cricket season half these 16 years start running time trials over 5km and 10km on roads and footpaths for their local footclub! 4 overs is 500m of running on grass with effectively a javelin throw at the end of it! It's not uncommon for a javelin thrower to make 40 to 60 throws at training, that is 1200m of running for 60 throws alone without any other training.

Quote
Javelin Throw Practice

Mid-Season Training Sample

Circuit Warm Up
Dynamic explosive training can be used before the throwing session.
Medicine ball throws and plyometrics:

Throws-Jump Circuit (3 kilo shot women/ 5 kilo shot men)
Overhead shot put throws for distance x 10 throws
3 double leg hops in the sand x10
Front shot throws for distance x10 throws
3 backward double leg hops in the sand x10

Throwing
Easy throws up and down the field 4 x 75-80 meters
Walking three step throw on grass x 8 throws
Dynamic three step throw with high right knee drive x 6
Dynamic five step throw with high right knee drive x12
Event Specific Javelin Drills with Medicine Ball

Event Specific Throws (2 kilo women) (4 kilo men)
Kneeling two handed Javelin style throw x20
Arch and Throw (feet together) javelin style throw x20
Walking three step javelin throw x10

Sprint Training
Sprint training on the runway and on the track are important to develop the speed.

Sprint Training For The Javelin Thrower
8 x full approach runs
8 x 30 meter sprints from 3 point start
4x 100 meter easy running (70% speed)

I posed this very question to a sports scientist and never got an answer! But it seems they actively promote an activity in one sport and limit it in another!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 13, 2017, 04:12:36 pm
Shield form....more questions than answers !

Wade failed again, as did Renshaw,

Kawajah has nailed his spot down with a good 60 not out so far in a Qld batting collapse, George Bailey a lone 106 out of another Tassie batting collapse…..and Bancroft more runs again !!!

And we’ll see how good Maxwell is…in first drop at 1-3
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 13, 2017, 04:59:59 pm
Shield form....more questions than answers !

Wade failed again, as did Renshaw,

Kawajah has nailed his spot down with a good 60 not out so far in a Qld batting collapse, George Bailey a lone 106 out of another Tassie batting collapse…..and Bancroft more runs again !!!

And we’ll see how good Maxwell is…in first drop at 1-3

Bancroft is looking more likely than any other at the moment
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 13, 2017, 05:18:05 pm
As each day passes this is looking more and more like the two worst ever Ashes test teams to go head to head, lacking all endeavor and consistency.

I'm just hoping they are so hopelessly bad together that the cricket comes out about square.

(http://i.imgur.com/7mc7aVM.gif)

Otherwise it's going to be a long pre-season!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 13, 2017, 05:28:26 pm
Bancroft is looking more likely than any other at the moment

Agree on Bancroft, reckon he will line up in the 1st test..was reading that the selectors are considering Cartwright at No 6.
Lucky England dont have Stokes and their batting is flimsy though with Ali likely to bat 7 or 8 they do bat deep.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 13, 2017, 06:09:14 pm
I think our side is considerably stronger than Englands.
We win 5 nil.
Our batting is not great, but much better than their bowling.
Our bowling is seriously good. Their batting will get exposed
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 13, 2017, 06:59:53 pm
Wonder if they'd be tempted to open the batting with him as well as keep. Be a tough ask but it's been done before and he's doing a good job of it at least at Shield level. We could then pick two batsman at 6 and 7, or an all-rounder at 7, or, if it's a flat track, an extra bowler. It opens things up alot.

Probably not, as it is a tough ask, but I thought i'd throw it out there given Bancroft is doing a good job of it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on November 13, 2017, 07:02:40 pm
Ellyse Perry at number 6, in better form than any of the other possibles, and she can send down a few tidy overs if need be too
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 13, 2017, 07:28:21 pm
I think our side is considerably stronger than Englands.
We win 5 nil.
Our batting is not great, but much better than their bowling.
Our bowling is seriously good. Their batting will get exposed

Agree our bowling is much better especially at home...I'll go 4-0, though I think the games will be close as I expect their tail to provide nuisance runs.
Their bowling consists of two bowlers only who are both ageing and I expect that to cost them.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on November 13, 2017, 08:16:00 pm
Bancroft certainly pushing a strong case here. 76 not out and 86 last game against Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon, now 140  not out against SA. They said if you put your hand up in these 3 games you'll be considered, I think they have to play him
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 13, 2017, 08:42:28 pm
Bancroft certainly pushing a strong case here. 76 not out and 86 last game against Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon, now 140  not out against SA. They said if you put your hand up in these 3 games you'll be considered, I think they have to play him

I think it's now a question of where.
Open?
Open and keep? Unlikely
6? Maybe
7 and keep? Maybe
He could be quite handy as the keeper, giving us someone to bat with no.5, 6, Cummins & Starc.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on November 13, 2017, 09:34:02 pm
I haven't seen enough of his keeping, but if he's competent he would be a bonus at 7 and keeping
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 14, 2017, 11:46:36 am
Agree on Bancroft, reckon he will line up in the 1st test..was reading that the selectors are considering Cartwright at No 6.
Lucky England dont have Stokes and their batting is flimsy though with Ali likely to bat 7 or 8 they do bat deep.

Stokes will 'appear'. You watch.

After a 1st test belting.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 14, 2017, 11:51:32 am
Bancroft 161*

Good to see the younger Marsh brother getting in the runs too. The lad can play. Still only 26.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 14, 2017, 11:58:13 am
Stokes will 'appear'. You watch.

After a 1st test belting.

Agree...I expect England to make a few changes as their players break physically and mentally.....
Stokes is a good cricketer but I expect the Aus crowd to move their attentions from Broad to Stokes if he appears....

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 14, 2017, 02:13:56 pm
Bancroft 161*

Good to see the younger Marsh brother getting in the runs too. The lad can play. Still only 26.

Sorry FB, he's a one trick pony, as a batsman
If he doesn't develop his game, he will struggle.
Loves to plant the front foot and hit straight, but struggles if it moves
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 14, 2017, 02:29:20 pm
Sorry FB, he's a one trick pony, as a batsman
If he doesn't develop his game, he will struggle.
Loves to plant the front foot and hit straight, but struggles if it moves

Steve Smith struggles with a moving ball too and I wouldn't mind his average!

 ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 14, 2017, 03:02:14 pm
Bancroft 180no but WA are losing wickets now....might have to go the slog to get to 200!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 14, 2017, 03:18:40 pm
http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1125092/coffee-with-chandra (http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1125092/coffee-with-chandra)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 14, 2017, 03:21:34 pm
Bancroft 202no

 8)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 14, 2017, 03:34:55 pm
Steve Smith struggles with a moving ball too and I wouldn't mind his average!

 ;)

Pretty hard to say he struggles with an average like his.
M Marsh has no plan or way to combat it and the numbers back it up
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 14, 2017, 03:44:08 pm
Bancroft 228no.

i guess they'r about to declare....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 14, 2017, 04:48:52 pm
Let's see how SA batsman - Lehmann, Ferguson go now?

228no - bat him at 6, give Wade a last chance....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 14, 2017, 07:25:00 pm
Bancroft 228no.

i guess they'r about to declare....

There go his chances; they never pick in form players ????
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 15, 2017, 09:13:32 am
And another class player has re-found some touch.  Alex Doolan with 106 not out.  It baffled me how this guy could go from batting #3 for Aus....and looking like he belonged against the best pace attack in the world (Saffers), to struggling to score a run against average shield attacks.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2017, 10:24:04 am
X2.  And looks like a batsman, he technically looks very sound.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 15, 2017, 03:01:18 pm
Doolan 218 not so far.....a couple of blokes heaping up big runs has certainly put the spotlight on Renshaws lack of 'em !

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 15, 2017, 04:25:42 pm
Doolan 247no.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2017, 04:28:57 pm
The players around my local league are telling me the characteristics of the 2018 cricket balls has changed significantly compared to previous seasons. In particular the seam on the premium Kookaburra balls are retaining shape much longer. They are getting well beyond 40 overs and the ball is still seaming around strongly.

I wonder if that is contributing to this apparent plague of domestic form slumps?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 15, 2017, 04:53:33 pm
What some are hearing was that Paine was encouraged to play this match against the Vics with a view to selection. He made 52 against the Poms last week and 71no today. Tas still keeping picking him as a batsman only with Wade there. Being a good gloveman maybe he'll be selected.

So i'll go...

Warner
Renshaw
Khawaja
Smith
Handscomb
Bancroft
Paine
Starc
Cummins
Lyon
Hazelwood
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2017, 07:31:58 pm
Rumour is that Bancroft will replace Renshaw, Neville for Wade and Cartright to bat at six.

Please don't shoot the messenger.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 15, 2017, 08:53:11 pm
Rumour is that Bancroft will replace Renshaw, Neville for Wade and Cartright to bat at six.

Please don't shoot the messenger.

Cartwright' last batch of matches:

Recent matches
Bat & Bowl   Team   Opposition   Ground   Match Date   Scorecard
1/20, 0, 0   West Aust   v NSW   Sydney   4 Nov 2017   FC
61, 38   West Aust   v Tasmania   Perth   26 Oct 2017   FC
0/7, 15*   West Aust   v South Aust   Hobart   21 Oct 2017   LA
34   West Aust   v CA XI   Sydney   17 Oct 2017   LA
0/26, 5*   West Aust   v South Aust   Sydney   15 Oct 2017   LA
0/29   West Aust   v Queensland   Sydney   11 Oct 2017   LA
1/13   West Aust   v Tasmania   Perth   7 Oct 2017   LA

Picking him at 6 would be insane.

It needs to be a batsman pure and simple.

An he hardly bowls!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 15, 2017, 10:05:47 pm
Cartwright' last batch of matches:

Recent matches
Bat & Bowl   Team   Opposition   Ground   Match Date   Scorecard
1/20, 0, 0   West Aust   v NSW   Sydney   4 Nov 2017   FC
61, 38   West Aust   v Tasmania   Perth   26 Oct 2017   FC
0/7, 15*   West Aust   v South Aust   Hobart   21 Oct 2017   LA
34   West Aust   v CA XI   Sydney   17 Oct 2017   LA
0/26, 5*   West Aust   v South Aust   Sydney   15 Oct 2017   LA
0/29   West Aust   v Queensland   Sydney   11 Oct 2017   LA
1/13   West Aust   v Tasmania   Perth   7 Oct 2017   LA

Picking him at 6 would be insane.

It needs to be a batsman pure and simple.

An he hardly bowls!

No pressure on the top 5..... ::)...if England knock over Warner and Smith they will roll straight through that middle/ lower batting lineup..Starc might be having to bowl and bat us to victory.....
Dont get the hype on Cartwright....what is our obsession with finding a Botham?...it was Shane Watson, then M. Marsh.......now maybe Cartwright...I'd prefer Maxwell.....he may be eccentric but when he is on either batting, bowling, fielding he wins games.....ok he isnt everyones mate in the dressing room but he is a better cricketer than Cartwright, Marsh etc...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 15, 2017, 10:11:05 pm
AGREED, Maxwell b4 Cartwright by a country mile....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 16, 2017, 08:26:59 am
AGREED, Maxwell b4 Cartwright by a country mile....

I also agree with this, don't get the hype over Cartwright, good player, but gee, got to earn your spot, particularly as the selectors stated that these 3 shield games would be very important for the batsmen to show some form.  Well in that case, he has to miss out......His bowling is not even Greg Chappell or Doug Walters standard, better off with Smith rolling a few over down.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 16, 2017, 10:37:09 am
One of the things I have never understood about Smith (or Warner, for that matter) is that bowling seems to be such a low priority for a guy who could bowl well.
Smith played his 1st test as a spin bowler, but has barely bowled since.
I am happy he has developed into a good batsman, but he really missed out by not developing his bowling.

Warner is similar. On the few occaisons he has bowled his leggies, he has looked reasonable. I am also happy that he developed his batting, but he has really missed a trick by now developing his bowling.
In the past, 'part time bowling options' like Allan Border, Greg Chappell, Doug Walters and many others have REALLY helped the Aussie attack because they had the confidence to bowl and the ability to take wickets. Katich, for example, was quite a good a his chinamen and googlies. Nobody could read his googly. He should have bowled much more, but for injury.

Now both Smith and Warner SHOULD be regular parts of the attack. It wouldn't take that much. And it wouldn't hurt our spin attack.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 16, 2017, 09:31:03 pm
https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/reports-tim-paine-cameron-bancroft-called-up-for-gabba-test/news-story/2c46b7b82cf146fbe1892ea043dea65d

Our Test team.

Bancroft, Paine and S.Marsh in.

Renshaw, Wade are out, and S.Marsh gets the no.6 spot ahead of Maxwell and Cartwright.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 16, 2017, 10:30:01 pm
Shaun Marsh ?  Really, FFS, hasn't this perennial under-achiever had enough sucks on the sauce bottle... 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 16, 2017, 10:51:59 pm
Shaun Marsh ?  Really, FFS, hasn't this perennial under-achiever had enough sucks on the sauce bottle...

x2....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on November 16, 2017, 10:52:14 pm
Surely this is bollocks. Renshaw has done nothing wrong at test level, and should be a walk up for the first test. Paine hasn't kept in the last 2 games, how can he possibly be named as the nations keeper? Shaun Marsh? Really? This is like a real life test of can nepotism really ever overcome lack of ability. FFS
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 17, 2017, 06:16:21 am
Surely this is bollocks. Renshaw has done nothing wrong at test level, and should be a walk up for the first test. Paine hasn't kept in the last 2 games, how can he possibly be named as the nations keeper? Shaun Marsh? Really? This is like a real life test of can nepotism really ever overcome lack of ability. FFS

Renshaw's simply not making runs, Bancroft is playing a mile better and is in brilliant form. Paine kept for Australia in the T20's this year and was very clean. Also kept and made 52 for the CA XI against England, including Broad and Anderson, prior to making 71no in the current Shield home. Question you have to ask, of the keepers, who is paying better? Easy answer is no-one as none of the others can make a run to save themselves. Can only pick on form and Paine is the only one who has any.

As for S. Marsh, that baffles me as he has been a consistent failure in the Test side. More importantly, the incumbent, Glenn Maxwell, has made a pair of 60's and a 45no in 3 of his last 4 innings, so that baffles me.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 17, 2017, 07:24:09 am
Agreed, the Renshaw call is sensible and he will get another chance.

Paine is a bloody good cricketer.

Marsh... That's mate's looking after mates.  So much for advancement by merit.  CA... Clean up your act.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 17, 2017, 07:55:40 am
Some blokes fail a hundred times and make a fifty at the appropriate moment to get a look in, others make hundreds every second time they bat but never get an opportunity.

I'll never understand it, because it's not about form or moneyball type stats.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 17, 2017, 10:18:33 am
I don't like the Marsh selection at all......Callum Ferguson derserved another go before Marsh.  he was sacrificed to wolves last time.

Paine lucky......which makes up for the years of bad luck that should have seen him the #1 keeper years ago.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 17, 2017, 11:08:44 am
I don't like the Marsh selection at all......Callum Ferguson derserved another go before Marsh.  he was sacrificed to wolves last time.

Paine lucky......which makes up for the years of bad luck that should have seen him the #1 keeper years ago.

Callum Ferguson on form could've been a good selection. While the other two selections make sense, S.Marsh is lucky. Better off picking an all rounder than Marsh given they'd make probably more runs and could bowl too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 17, 2017, 11:57:38 am
I don't like the Marsh selection at all......Callum Ferguson derserved another go before Marsh.  he was sacrificed to wolves last time.

Paine lucky......which makes up for the years of bad luck that should have seen him the #1 keeper years ago.

Happy for Paine for that reason - but it is unexpected.

Who actually keeps for Tassie... Paine or Wade?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 17, 2017, 12:38:45 pm
Happy for Paine for that reason - but it is unexpected.

Who actually keeps for Tassie... Paine or Wade?

Wade.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 17, 2017, 12:40:26 pm
Paine's selection proves to me that if Handscomb wants the gloves he's got them, they have opted for a Batsmen / Keeper instead of one of the young Keeper / Batsmen going around.

It really sends a message to kids who are planning to be 1st class keepers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 17, 2017, 12:50:49 pm
Sam Whiteman would have been my choice but he is injured for the season.....Paine is a stop gap IMO....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 17, 2017, 01:02:33 pm
Wade.

Paine is Australia's T20 keeper. Reckon he's the best gloveman too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 17, 2017, 01:04:31 pm
Happy for Paine for that reason - but it is unexpected.

Who actually keeps for Tassie... Paine or Wade?

Wade has been keeping but it was announced that he would play as a batsman if he lost his test spot.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 17, 2017, 01:05:47 pm
Paine's selection proves to me that if Handscomb wants the gloves he's got them, they have opted for a Batsmen / Keeper instead of one of the young Keeper / Batsmen going around.

It really sends a message to kids who are planning to be 1st class keepers.

None of the other keepers could make a run to save themselves on form right now. As important as keeping is you need to make some decent runs otherwise you have one long tail, especially with Marsh in the side. Paine's just about the best with the gloves anyway.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 17, 2017, 01:16:08 pm
Sam Whiteman would have been my choice but he is injured for the season.....Paine is a stop gap IMO....

I reckon that is bang on.

They are looking at Whiteman long term
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 17, 2017, 01:17:37 pm
Got my man Tim Paine. God keeper/bat and character. Best fit for sure.

Bancroft Incan understand but Shaun Marsh? Give me a spell!!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 17, 2017, 02:01:37 pm
I reckon that is bang on.

They are looking at Whiteman long term

I think when Langar takes over as National coach, Whiteman if fit will take over the gloves, think he is a Yorkshireman by birth
so England may also be an option for him if he gets overlooked.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 20, 2017, 01:11:49 pm
I'd be interested in Whiteman: he is a good bat and a talented keeper. But we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: charlieK on November 20, 2017, 08:14:25 pm
Got my man Tim Paine. God keeper/bat and character. Best fit for sure.

Bancroft Incan understand but Shaun Marsh? Give me a spell!!!

Stoinus should be in at 6. We miss a 4th seamer and he is also a viable batting option. Kawaja should be replaced by Smith and Lehmann bats 4
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 20, 2017, 08:43:58 pm
Stoinus should be in at 6. We miss a 4th seamer and he is also a viable batting option. Kawaja should be replaced by Smith and Lehmann bats 4

Can't agree. His form has been poor.

Where Hodgey?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 20, 2017, 08:44:30 pm
Stoinus should be in at 6. We miss a 4th seamer and he is also a viable batting option. Kawaja should be replaced by Smith and Lehmann bats 4

Khawaja averages 63 in Australia and has been in brilliant form for Queensland. No way you play Lehmann ahead of him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 20, 2017, 08:50:09 pm
Can't agree. His form has been poor.

Where Hodgey?

Like Stoinis to do it eventually but only after more Shield games with good scores. He got 22 of 18 balls in his only game doing the team thing but was going for the slog given the point of the innings they were at. Hopefully his one day form translates into 4-5 day form eventually.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 20, 2017, 09:39:53 pm
Khawaja averages 63 in Australia and has been in brilliant form for Queensland. No way you play Lehmann ahead of him.

Agree...think Khawaja will do well against the English bowlers on our wickets, he has been in form and is a bit different to our other batters
in that he can occupy the crease, work the ball, and be a solid player to build around , something we miss when Rogers retired.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 20, 2017, 10:06:47 pm
Agree...think Khawaja will do well against the English bowlers on our wickets, he has been in form and is a bit different to our other batters
in that he can occupy the crease, work the ball, and be a solid player to build around , something we miss when Rogers retired.

he's a bloody good player is Usman.....as good as any of the Englishmen imo.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 21, 2017, 08:18:59 am
Agree...think Khawaja will do well against the English bowlers on our wickets, he has been in form and is a bit different to our other batters

Oh no, not you too EB !  They are Batsmen !!!!!  This is not baseball.  I cringe everytime I hear Michael Clark or Smith or one of the other current generation use this term.  Why ?

Batter is what comes cooked with my piece of flake !

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2017, 10:08:47 am
Oh no, not you too EB !  They are Batsmen !!!!!  This is not baseball.  I cringe everytime I hear Michael Clark or Smith or one of the other current generation use this term.  Why ?

Batter is what comes cooked with my piece of flake !

Fair call there Mal...I dont like the americanization of Aus and here I am using their terminology :-[..batsman it should be....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 21, 2017, 10:15:03 am

Fair call there Mal...I dont like the americanization of Aus and here I am using their terminology :-[..batsman it should be....

ha...no probs mate !  It just a bugbear of mine......of course it is entirely fair to use this term for womens cricket if that's preferred to batswomen (which is a bit unwieldy) no problem with that at all.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Inboltswetrust on November 21, 2017, 10:18:59 am
he's a bloody good player is Usman.....as good as any of the Englishmen imo.

Until the ball spins......
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 21, 2017, 10:31:51 am
Until the ball spins......

No problem with a spinning ball here, just the sub continent.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2017, 10:41:05 am
No problem with a spinning ball here, just the sub continent.

Be interesting to see if England get the courage to play Mason Crane...a Warnie clone who played in NSW and I think played some state cricket.
Leaks some runs but can spin the ball and bowl teams out...big risk though on the spin unfriendly Aus wickets.
Reckon the English will be negative and bowl Ali and Root as their slow bowlers with packed leg side fields......maybe Crane might get a game in Sydney...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 21, 2017, 12:17:39 pm
They certainly won't play him in the first couple of tests.....if they find themselves 2 down early on, or having to win the last test they might give him a go.

I'll be very interested to see how the Aussies go at Ali.  He's been allowed to get off very easy for a modest spinner in the past.  They need to target him the way they did Graham Swann last time.  Make it harder for the Poms to keep selecting him for his batting......which will be very useful for them.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 21, 2017, 02:21:18 pm
No problem with a spinning ball here, just the sub continent.

I think Khawaja's  problems over on the sub-continent were as much to do with the variable lack of bounce as anything. He is a strong square of the wicket player and Aussie square of the wicket players always struggle over there, the sub-continent players tend to be far more wristy and can deal with late ball movement far better.

In fairness to anyone, the wickets that the games were played on in that sub-continent series were no even suitable for under age cricket let alone test matches. If a school offered that sort of wicket locally the game would be canceled due to OH&S concerns.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2017, 02:28:54 pm
They certainly won't play him in the first couple of tests.....if they find themselves 2 down early on, or having to win the last test they might give him a go.

I'll be very interested to see how the Aussies go at Ali.  He's been allowed to get off very easy for a modest spinner in the past.  They need to target him the way they did Graham Swann last time.  Make it harder for the Poms to keep selecting him for his batting......which will be very useful for them.

Ali doesnt look much of a bowler but continues to baffle me how many players get out to him, doesnt spin the ball or bowl with much flight but players seem to want to take him on
and give their wickets away. I think he will get some treatment here in Aus and be a non event as a bowler, however as a batsman he is underrated and very dangerous coming in at 7 or 8.
We have bowled poorly to him in the past with little planning, he has opened for England so he cannot be treated as a lower order mug, he can play the quicks and score quickly as he doesnt mind throwing the bat. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 21, 2017, 02:47:24 pm
Ali doesnt look much of a bowler but continues to baffle me how many players get out to him, doesnt spin the ball or bowl with much flight but players seem to want to take him on

He varies pace very well, his main weapon is variation in pace and bounce with no obvious tells in his action. One ball holds up, the next one skids, the batsmen lose confidence and they stop scoring runs against him. If they were smart they would just safely farm him for 3 runs an over with very little effort but the modern guys want to hit boundaries, but I think they play too much 20/20 and want to block 5 balls then hit a boundary!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 21, 2017, 02:52:35 pm
I think Khawaja's  problems over on the sub-continent were as much to do with the variable lack of bounce as anything. He is a strong square of the wicket player and Aussie square of the wicket players always struggle over there, the sub-continent players tend to be far more wristy and can deal with late ball movement far better.

In fairness to anyone, the wickets that the games were played on in that sub-continent series were no even suitable for under age cricket let alone test matches. If a school offered that sort of wicket locally the game would be canceled due to OH&S concerns.
Once upon a time it was understandable that some subcontinental pitches were less than perfect. Conditions were fairly primitive. Now there isn't an excuse. New technologies have made wicket preparation far less an art and far more a science. There simply is no good reason for the variation in pitches. They are prepared over there to be spin friendly. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 21, 2017, 02:56:24 pm
They are prepared over there to be spin friendly. Simple as that.

If it was only that it wouldn't be a problem, some of those pitches were crumbling, corrugated and pot-holed cement dust roads placed in the middle of a lush green oval! You could find a better pitch on the mud flats in Western Port Bay at low tide!

But our gutless media and the specialist commentators wouldn't bite the BCCI hand that feeds them by offering such public feedback. Hard evidence that money corrupts I suppose!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on May 03, 2018, 07:56:38 am
Langer, really? ??? ??? :o

Does this means cricket is institutionalised?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on May 03, 2018, 08:54:51 am
Langer, really? ??? ??? :o

Does this means cricket is institutionalised?

He's a yes man......I hope he surprises me, but I won't hold my breath.  gee I wish Ponting had been free to take on the role.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on May 03, 2018, 09:51:16 am
He's a yes man......I hope he surprises me, but I won't hold my breath.  gee I wish Ponting had been free to take on the role.

I would have preferred Jason Gillespie, but he probably doesn't fit the family!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on May 03, 2018, 10:33:09 am
Wouldn't exactly say he's a yes man. I can say he is a very disciplined individual who sets very high standards....but yeah, he's hardy a 'fresh start' - which is what I would have preferred to see (eg Dizzy).

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on May 03, 2018, 04:25:38 pm
Time shall tell ... his press conference was repetitive and from script.  His shot at McGrath was uncalled for IMO
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on May 03, 2018, 04:31:24 pm
I never saw it, what did he say re McGrath?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on May 03, 2018, 04:58:44 pm
I never saw it, what did he say re McGrath?

He listed McGrath as a player who was involved in sledging incident that went too far, but he didn't say whether it was McGrath doing the sledging or the one being sledged.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on May 03, 2018, 05:09:16 pm
McGrath was not a smart sledger and Sarwan's response nailed him.   Unfortunately Jane McGrath had cancer at the time so Pigeon was most aggrieved..... But he only had himself to blame in that case. If you sledge expect it back with interest.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on May 03, 2018, 05:12:53 pm
I note that CA rolled over to the BCCI re next summer's test schedule.   Expect roads over here and potholed dust pits next  time we tour.

Appears Indian batsmen are allergic to the merest hint of a blade of grass on a pitch,  something about their averages falling apart.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 04, 2018, 12:12:44 am
I would have preferred Jason Gillespie, but he probably doesn't fit the family!

Langar is more of the same as Lehmann , its one neanderthal replacing another...Gillespie is too outspoken and free thinking to get the job.
Agree with the Prof on McGrath, not real great at sledging...the Eddo Brandes famous sledge is about the best thats ever gone down in cricket history...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on May 04, 2018, 05:03:49 am
He listed McGrath as a player who was involved in sledging incident that went too far, but he didn't say whether it was McGrath doing the sledging or the one being sledged.

I think he implied it though ... in any event, there were a lot more incidents he could have highlighted and though McGrath was no saint, Sarwan crossed the line IMO.  
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on May 04, 2018, 08:03:34 am
Langar is more of the same as Lehmann , its one neanderthal replacing another...Gillespie is too outspoken and free thinking to get the job.
Agree with the Prof on McGrath, not real great at sledging...the Eddo Brandes famous sledge is about the best thats ever gone down in cricket history...

I thought Lillee's "sh1t end" sledge was quite clever, because it worked so often in many circumstances!

You can go back through the old footage and find batsmen after batsmen looking at the toe of their bat.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on May 04, 2018, 08:18:22 am
It's been said before, but I don't get how putting Langer in as coach is changing anything.
He was a massive tool when he was playing, very intense and very aggressive. Infamously took offence against someone, can't remember who now, and put on the whole "I'll fight you out the back of the sheds" routine.
Interestingly I heard Voges on the radio this morning saying he has changed and adapted, hopefully that's the case.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on June 25, 2018, 02:25:52 pm
Geez, we had the Poms 8/114 in the 30th over and lost!

Are we shell shocked, or did we just pick a sh1t week to give up cocaine?

(https://scifist.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/1950-rocketship-x-m-033-lloyd-bridges-airplane.jpg)

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 25, 2018, 03:08:51 pm
Geez, we had the Poms 8/114 in the 30th over and lost!

Are we shell shocked, or did we just pick a sh1t week to give up cocaine?

(https://scifist.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/1950-rocketship-x-m-033-lloyd-bridges-airplane.jpg)

We needed more sandpaper....180 grit on the circular usually gets it done for me... ;)
Poms play good one day cricket thanks to all their local comps and we had our regular test attack out, never going to win that series especially with Warner and Smith also out...Butler and crew just dined out on our second string attack.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on June 25, 2018, 03:38:16 pm
We needed more sandpaper....180 grit on the circular usually gets it done for me... ;)
Poms play good one day cricket thanks to all their local comps and we had our regular test attack out, never going to win that series especially with Warner and Smith also out...Butler and crew just dined out on our second string attack.
Indeed. It could be claimed that we didn't have our best 5 pace bowlers, although Stanlake looks like he has what it takes. The other bowlers struggled.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on June 25, 2018, 06:03:02 pm
Carey should be the ODI keeper,  Paine has enough issues to deal with.

Paine and Stoinis stank with the bat.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on June 28, 2018, 12:09:49 am
I don't hold a heap of faith in the short forms of the game, Test cricket is where you make your reputation, but this whitewash against the Poms was very poor.

Just shows how brittle our undercarriage is when Smith isn't playing even though I reckon he has a woeful technique.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on June 28, 2018, 08:22:14 am
Carey should be the ODI keeper,  Paine has enough issues to deal with.

Paine and Stoinis stank with the bat.

I've always taken the opinion that to keep and captain you need to be extraordinary, you have to have excess talent that you can burn because you game will go south under the dual role.

Just shows how brittle our undercarriage is when Smith isn't playing even though I reckon he has a woeful technique.

It exposes the damage the NSW cartel does and continues to do to Australian cricket!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on June 28, 2018, 11:05:45 am
Who really gives a f... about an out of (our) season ODI series over there....

Bottom line is we had likely 8 out of our regular best 11 not out there... we know that, the Poms know that.....

Too many of the bowlers we played are either inexperienced and/or not up to the top level.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on June 28, 2018, 11:08:37 am
Who really gives a f... about an out of (our) season ODI series over there....

There is no out of season period for the professional cricketers.

They play pretty much 12 months of the year at home or somewhere else, much of it short form.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on October 09, 2018, 10:52:30 pm
We're so lucky in this country to have Langer picking the test side,  he is so insightful, so wise.... Wouldn't pick Maxwell as he is an "unreliable" player,  yet continues to pick the spud brothers,  who have both stunk with the bat,  shelled a vital catch and the so called all rounder bowled a mere handful of innocuous overs. Chuck in two debutants who lasted 11 balls for zero runs.

Well done Langer,  you've really inspired us with your selections......NOT!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on October 09, 2018, 11:03:27 pm
While expectations of the team have to be low, to be bowled out for 60 (0/142, all out 202) is pretty ordinary...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on October 09, 2018, 11:05:16 pm
We're so lucky in this country to have Langer picking the test side,  he is so insightful, so wise.... Wouldn't pick Maxwell as he is an "unreliable" player,  yet continues to pick the spud brothers,  who have both stunk with the bat,  shelled a vital catch and the so called all rounder bowled a mere handful of innocuous overs. Chuck in two debutants who lasted 11 balls for zero runs.

Well done Langer,  you've really inspired us with your selections......NOT!
The day keeps getting better and better Prof....lol :D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on October 10, 2018, 06:01:10 am
Well done Langer,  you've really inspired us with your selections......NOT!

An idiot of the highest order ... what a $hit performance
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on October 10, 2018, 06:37:41 am
The Dunning Kruger principle strikes again!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 10, 2018, 07:58:38 am
The Dunning Kruger principle strikes again!

It turns up in threads around here quite a bit! ;D

I checked the scores early last night and we were something like 1/150 and cruising, then I watched an hour or so of TV with the missus and checked again and we were rubbish!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on October 10, 2018, 08:17:59 am
We're so lucky in this country to have Langer picking the test side,  he is so insightful, so wise.... Wouldn't pick Maxwell as he is an "unreliable" player,  yet continues to pick the spud brothers,  who have both stunk with the bat,  shelled a vital catch and the so called all rounder bowled a mere handful of innocuous overs. Chuck in two debutants who lasted 11 balls for zero runs.

Well done Langer,  you've really inspired us with your selections......NOT!

Not happy Prof?  :D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on October 10, 2018, 10:27:29 am
It turns up in threads around here quite a bit! ;D

I checked the scores early last night and we were something like 1/150 and cruising, then I watched an hour or so of TV with the missus and checked again and we were rubbish!

they lost 10 for 60.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on October 10, 2018, 10:55:06 pm
Marsh bros slaying them in the second innings.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on October 11, 2018, 06:19:34 am
One out, all out...lol.

Have 1, 2, 3 hopefully sorted for the summer as Renshaw will be ok. 4, 5 and 6 might be more of a worry. Hopefully the Marsh brothers do as well over summer as they did last year, where they were brilliant, but they worry me. Mitch will play because he the vice-captain. Bowlers look after themselves. Finch might stand in for Warner ok but Smith is irreplaceable.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 11, 2018, 08:01:16 am
Are you winding us up Laj!

Marsh, Marsh and Langer, what a combo, I call them the FIGOs!

Fly In Get Out

It's tough to defend Aussie cricket when Warne bags the batting line up and it's hard to find reasons to disagree with him!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on October 11, 2018, 12:35:29 pm
Are you winding us up Laj!

Marsh, Marsh and Langer, what a combo, I call them the FIGOs!

Fly In Get Out

It's tough to defend Aussie cricket when Warne bags the batting line up and it's hard to find reasons to disagree with him!

I don't think you read the post properly. I basically said positions 4,5 6 are an issue the Marsh's were a worry but they did have a brilliant summer last year. Probably batting them in their right position would help. Mitch is not a no.4.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on October 11, 2018, 02:33:20 pm
The Marsh's form line has been poor for a while.  Our players have to stop relying on home results and develop sound techniques for all conditions.

Khawaja has made a step forward in that area.   But the Marsh boys appear to be making the same errors and carry the same technical flaws.... They are slow learners and test level is not the place to learn technique.

A long term average at FC level of what,  35, says you are a mediocre player at best.   Stats don't lie in this case.

I don't want to see the classic selection scenario of carrying these blokes through another poor series,  then they get home and make runs which means they get in another OS tour... Where they are hopelessly deficient again.

If you cant make runs reliably (reflected by a career batting average of at least 40) I'd be trying somebody else. Score lines that read something like 0 1 0 5 178 0 2 6 0 125 isn't what a team can build around and is why Maxwell was overlooked.  
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on October 11, 2018, 02:51:08 pm
The Marsh's form line has been poor for a while.  Our players have to stop relying on home results and develop sound techniques for all conditions.

Khawaja has made a step forward in that area.   But the Marsh boys appear to be making the same errors and carry the same technical flaws.... They are slow learners and test level is not the place to learn technique.

A long term average at FC level of what,  35, says you are a mediocre player at best.   Stats don't lie in this case.

I don't want to see the classic selection scenario of carrying these blokes through another poor series,  then they get home and make runs which means they get in another OS tour... Where they are hopelessly deficient again.

If you cant make runs reliably (reflected by a career batting average of at least 40) I'd be trying somebody else. Score lines that read something like 0 1 0 5 178 0 2 6 0 125 isn't what a team can build around and is why Maxwell was overlooked.

Every side is poor overseas. Look at India. They are supposed to be the world's no.1 side. It's usually the rare great sides that win consistently series home and away. When it's pretty even at the top then the home sides tend to dominate. It's difficult to develop techniques for overseas conditions as you don't get those to practice on, and there are so many different types of conditions. We probably win more actual Tests away than most. The current team is pretty much a 2nd string one.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 11, 2018, 04:19:33 pm
Every side is poor overseas.

This series is basically on neutral ground, they are both away from home!

On the form lines last season, I'm not sure the local results are that relevant any more, many scores are made against sides diminished due to international competitions like the IPL. Players who choose to stay home and compete at domestic level are getting a much softer run because of this change in the way the sport is conducted.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on October 11, 2018, 08:06:00 pm
This series is basically on neutral ground, they are both away from home!

On the form lines last season, I'm not sure the local results are that relevant any more, many scores are made against sides diminished due to international competitions like the IPL. Players who choose to stay home and compete at domestic level are getting a much softer run because of this change in the way the sport is conducted.
Not really. This has been Pakistan's home away from home since the terrorist trouble started years ago. The pitches are not exactly like those in Pakistan, but they have been prepared in concert with Pakistan Cricket's help and preferences in mind. They are dry, spinning wickets designed for spin bowlers, something we have had trouble with for quite some time. They need not be so dry or spinning, as the water level and everything else is artificially controlled by the ground staff.
Then again, India no longer needs to supply wickets so lifeless or bounce-less, but they do. It is expected and it fits the players that come through the ranks, who never see a 'proper' wicket until they get to 1st class level.

In Australia even District cricket wickets are well prepared. We have produced flat wickets for a long time (SCG excepted). Even the wickets in Perth and Brisbane are not as bowler friendly as they were 50 years ago.

Our batsmen are flat track bullies. That is what we've made them to suit 50 over and 20 over cricket better. We struggle on moving wickets because we don't play on them. These wickets are moving wickets. They were always designed to be.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on October 11, 2018, 08:15:41 pm
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/warne-calls-current-aussie-batting-line-up-the-worst-i-ve-seen-it-20181011-p508yg.html
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on October 11, 2018, 08:35:17 pm
One might be tempted to align our fortunes to the Test side and the competence of the ACB (CA) to the AFL

It will take years to recover
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 11, 2018, 08:38:32 pm
One might be tempted to align our fortunes to the Test side and the competence of the ACB (CA) to the AFL

It will take years to recover

In fairness to the ACB they don't run the game, but they are to blame for not having enough foresight to realise the BCCI was raping the game!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on October 11, 2018, 08:54:42 pm
I think they knew but were powerless to stop it, like everybody else. Too many $$$$ in India, noone else can compete politically
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 11, 2018, 08:57:58 pm
I think they knew but were powerless to stop it, like everybody else. Too many $$$$ in India, noone else can compete politically

JB, the ACB cheapened the Baggy Green instead of making the wearing of it priceless!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on October 11, 2018, 08:59:28 pm
True ... the BCCI have a lot to answer for.  We're no saints, but the sub continent is full of sinners
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 11, 2018, 09:03:15 pm
True ... the BCCI have a lot to answer for.  We're no saints, but the sub continent is full of sinners

Only sinners by our standards, in their culture we are the fools for not using every lever to secure our wealth.

I had an associate who puts it this way quite nicely.

We are trained to trade on honour, they are trained to trade on opportunity.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on October 11, 2018, 10:03:23 pm
Yet we are the villains of world cricket. While they are the number 1 team in the world. If their players used sandpaper on the ball a couple of players would have missed 1 test (maybe). Therein lies the difference, and why we will never again be the number 1 test team in the world
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on October 11, 2018, 10:39:36 pm
Yep and our players did get one match. ACB added the rest.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on October 12, 2018, 12:37:28 am
Gutsy effort that,  takes a lot of application to bat five sessions in searing heat on a busted up deck. Batting out draws (tine)  is not something we are good at.

Old idiom in cricket... You can't win a test in a session but you can certainly lose one.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 17, 2018, 04:01:37 pm
Australia as part of Australian Cricket might be in trouble, but Shield and First Class cricket is back and it's a ripper!

I'm pegging some good times ahead for Australian Test cricket, once we remove the final remnants of the past! Hint, hint!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on October 17, 2018, 06:15:36 pm
202 not out for Will Pucovski for Vic vs WA, haven't seen much of him but he's starting to put up some good numbers. Only 20 years old
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on October 17, 2018, 06:44:57 pm
Grow a pair Langer,  ditch the Marsh boys,  they just aren't good enough.  No more excuses,  no more fluff. Drop 'me.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 17, 2018, 06:48:54 pm
Grow a pair Langer,  ditch the Marsh boys,  they just aren't good enough.  No more excuses,  no more fluff. Drop 'me.

Yep, you know what they say about the definition if insanity..................!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on October 17, 2018, 06:52:23 pm
Marsh boys amongst the runs again.....NOT.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on October 17, 2018, 07:58:56 pm
Sons of a mate, going to have to do more than that to get dropped
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on October 17, 2018, 08:07:46 pm
Geoff Marsh has too much influence.  Sorry mate. Your boys are duds,  they must be dropped.   That's what happens to batsmen that don't make runs,  it isn't personal,  that's the game.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on October 18, 2018, 07:32:45 am
Well, letting the Pakis off the hook, and then collapsing like a pack of cards is not the sort of thing followers of cricket want to see.
Not many safe spots in the team at the moment.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 18, 2018, 07:55:36 am
Geoff Marsh has too much influence.  Sorry mate. Your boys are duds,  they must be dropped.   That's what happens to batsmen that don't make runs,  it isn't personal,  that's the game.

While I agree in the intent, the problem this test wasn't just the batting it was also the bowling. That 1st Innings total by Pakistan was way over par on that pitch. but the media is patting the bowlers on the back!

I said this for a while now, and it is biting us again. We have no effective new ball bowlers at the moment. Starc sprays it like underarm deodorant, Siddle just doesn't have that extra bit of pace he needs for the top level.

The batting was atrocious, but the bowling wasn't much better!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on October 18, 2018, 09:46:17 am
Agreed,  should have been all out for 120.

Holland has had no penetration,  Starc's inaccuracy is an issue and don't get me started on the third seamer...the gun "no rounder".

The all rounder in this series should have been a spinning all-rounder like a Maxwell,  not Langer's love child.

Why isn't Head bowling a few overs, he's handy.

Can't win games playing men short.   Bad selection - again.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on October 18, 2018, 10:24:32 am
Can't argue with any of that Prof. Question is will we ever learn and change the way we select teams?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on October 18, 2018, 11:08:20 am
While I agree in the intent, the problem this test wasn't just the batting it was also the bowling. That 1st Innings total by Pakistan was way over par on that pitch. but the media is patting the bowlers on the back!

I said this for a while now, and it is biting us again. We have no effective new ball bowlers at the moment. Starc sprays it like underarm deodorant, Siddle just doesn't have that extra bit of pace he needs for the top level.

The batting was atrocious, but the bowling wasn't much better!

Yeah, but at least we have the bowlers that can come in to that lineup who are test class when fit (Hazelwood, Cummings) .....sadly our batting stocks are, & have been for some time, atrocious.  The presence of Steve Smith has papered over gaping cracks for too long.  Our high-middle order collapses are now becoming the norm rather than the exception.  First round of Shield cricket has so far seen 1 score of 100 plus, and that from a bloke who was discarded for not doing much wrong in the first place.  Glad that Finch has fought for his spot, he should stay there for the summer.  Renshaw has to come in for S.Marsh at the very least & someone scoring runs in Shield has to be given a go for M.Marsh.

These collapses are just not acceptable in the slightest.

(woops...edited...I just saw the 243 from Pucovski ....that's the sort of stuff I want to see !)

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on October 18, 2018, 11:45:26 am
Yeah, but at least we have the bowlers that can come in to that lineup who are test class when fit (Hazelwood, Cummings) .....sadly our batting stocks are, & have been for some time, atrocious.  The presence of Steve Smith has papered over gaping cracks for too long.  Our high-middle order collapses are now becoming the norm rather than the exception.  First round of Shield cricket has so far seen 1 score of 100 plus, and that from a bloke who was discarded for not doing much wrong in the first place.  Glad that Finch has fought for his spot, he should stay there for the summer.  Renshaw has to come in for S.Marsh at the very least & someone scoring runs in Shield has to be given a go for M.Marsh.

These collapses are just not acceptable in the slightest.

(woops...edited...I just saw the 243 from Pucovski ....that's the sort of stuff I want to see !)

He made 188 v QLD in Feb too.
He has played 7 first class games with a 180 and a 240.
Fair effort
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 01, 2018, 04:33:02 pm
Peever about to finally stand down.
Embarrassing effort
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 01, 2018, 04:39:36 pm
He made 188 v QLD in Feb too.
He has played 7 first class games with a 180 and a 240.
Fair effort

Yes, but he has stepped away from the game indefinitely.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 01, 2018, 05:14:49 pm
Peever about to finally stand down.
Embarrassing effort

Understatement JH  >:(

He should never have been in the role and I think his ineptness, some pretty ordinary appointments and State cricket associations that were stuck to the CA money teat have created the malaise that is Australian cricket.

I don't think we will ever be a dominant force like we are accustomed to but a competitive team that plays hard and fair shouldn't be too much to ask for.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 01, 2018, 05:20:18 pm
Sutherland should take as much heat as anyone.

Heck, a Chairman is largely a symbolic figurehead very rarely has anything to do with day to day operations....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 01, 2018, 05:27:50 pm
Yep,  Teflon Sutherland.   Always seemed beyond reproach but asleep at the wheel for the later part of his tenure.

The current situation is like the early 1970s, with the board treating players with contempt,  starting with the appalling treatment of Lawry stemming from the fiasco in India then SA,  then Chappell calling the board out,  then the Packer revolution....lot of parallels.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 01, 2018, 07:44:58 pm
Yep,  Teflon Sutherland.   Always seemed beyond reproach but asleep at the wheel for the later part of his tenure.

The current situation is like the early 1970s, with the board treating players with contempt,  starting with the appalling treatment of Lawry stemming from the fiasco in India then SA,  then Chappell calling the board out,  then the Packer revolution....lot of parallels.

Yes, you're right.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on November 02, 2018, 04:22:44 am
Without doubt, Mark Taylor should sit in the chair
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 02, 2018, 07:12:34 am
Based upon what?   This is a problem I have,  what CV qualifies you for this job?   Moving in the correct political circle (from a cricketing perspective)?  Being from NSW,  being,  on the face of things a decent bloke? I would have thought that having a leading role within at least one of the state bodies was a minimum requirement.  Somebody like Shaun Graf who is plugged into all levels of state cricket not some nameless suit.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 02, 2018, 07:57:24 am
Based upon what?   This is a problem I have,  what CV qualifies you for this job?   Moving in the correct political circle (from a cricketing perspective)?  Being from NSW,  being,  on the face of things a decent bloke? I would have thought that having a leading role within at least one of the state bodies was a minimum requirement.  Somebody like Shaun Graf who is plugged into all levels of state cricket not some nameless suit.

No different than the US voting in Trump.

The effectively nameless unqualified puppet suit that takes the media heat for the backroom movers and shakers! They don't give a feck what misery he makes for his people or the world, they are quietly raking in the billions in the same fashion as the very best Russian Oligarchs! The book gets a new cover, but the story doesn't change!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 02, 2018, 08:01:57 am
Based upon what?   This is a problem I have,  what CV qualifies you for this job?   Moving in the correct political circle (from a cricketing perspective)?  Being from NSW,  being,  on the face of things a decent bloke? I would have thought that having a leading role within at least one of the state bodies was a minimum requirement.  Somebody like Shaun Graf who is plugged into all levels of state cricket not some nameless suit.

Yes, I think someone who has done a good job with a state body would be best placed to get things in order.

Mal Speed will be on the wireless this morning and it will be interesting to hear his thoughts.  His comments a couple of days ago apparently galvanised NSW Cricket to tap Peever on the shoulder.

Mark Taylor has ruled himself out ... not that he should ever have been in.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 02, 2018, 08:13:45 am
Mark Taylor has ruled himself out ... not that he should ever have been in.

Old Tubby, gets lampooned by his peers and the media, but he is smarter than they think. There is a reason he was probably the best Test Captain we've ever had!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 02, 2018, 08:21:51 am
Where I am coming from is popular choice versus the correct choices.

Too many well connected suits running the game these days,  the disconnect from the interests from the game any the players is alarming.

Will say this though,  the money is filtering down to the lower levels.   All our club sides got new bags of kit this year.   It helps keep kids in the game.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 02, 2018, 08:58:26 am
Where I am coming from is popular choice versus the correct choices.

Too many well connected suits running the game these days,  the disconnect from the interests from the game any the players is alarming.

Will say this though,  the money is filtering down to the lower levels.   All our club sides got new bags of kit this year.   It helps keep kids in the game.

One thing I do hope starts filtering down to the lower levels is the re-focus of the test side on sportsmanship & cutting out the on-field abuse.....the level of just abusive unintelligent rubbish that's going on in grade cricket these days is appalling...and I wonder where it came from ?

I played Grade cricket for almost 20 years (84-2003).....and I saw first hand the creep of this into the local game.  When I started as a 16 year old, I would no sooner think of sledging one of the older players than one of my own team mates !  And if there were any comments made on the field it was the senior guys that made them...and they were nearly always funny, not abusive in any way !

But in the last couple of years I played (post 2000) you even had snotty nose kids of 16 or 17 sledging guys who'd been playing for 15 years......& they weren't intelligent enough to come up with something funny, so they'd just swear at you.

Honestly, I'll be thinking twice about encouraging my 3 boys to play cricket until this sort of garbage is stamped out.  Sadly the umpires seem too scared to do anything about it at the moment, but if the change in attitude comes from the top (Aust test side), then maybe, just maybe this behaviour will be considered unacceptable at all levels of cricket sometime down the track.




 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on November 02, 2018, 09:11:50 am
Old Tubby, gets lampooned by his peers and the media, but he is smarter than they think. There is a reason he was probably the best Test Captain we've ever had!

Exactly ... briiliant captain, played for the cap, maintained team harmony and never flinched from the tough qiestions posed of him.  Pity he's ruled himself out
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 02, 2018, 09:30:28 am
The trash talking starts in U10s modified.  It really gets my goat as it's the same clubs everytime,  it's endemic.   Some kids are so inculcated about winning they just don't give ascrew about sportsmanshp, the game etc.  My daughter recently filled in for my sons team,  who were short.   The rubbish she received was unnecessary,  so much for this supposedly enlightened age.

Two swivel pulls for four and another smoked through extra cover didn't shut them up either.

There's also been a lot of racial stuff too,  and the perpetrators have all been kids of Indian background.   I was abused by a parent for giving their spoilt little prince out.  My kids love the game but there is some real trash out there playing it. If my kids walk away from it it will be for that reason.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 02, 2018, 09:35:29 am
Exactly ... briiliant captain, played for the cap, maintained team harmony and never flinched from the tough qiestions posed of him.  Pity he's ruled himself out

Yes he was a brilliant captain but what experience does he have as a board chairman?  I guess he knows his own limitations.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 02, 2018, 09:50:26 am
The trash talking starts in U10s modified.  It really gets my goat as it's the same clubs everytime, it's endemic.

I'll stay away from the profiling but I agree about the problem and the tendency for certain clubs to be associated with this type of behavior. But it's clear the problem isn't the kids but the adults supervising them, and it's not restricted to cricket.

One big problem that seems to be endemic in junior sport is that the people we really need running the sport usually tend to step away because they refuse to crawl into the gutter to compete with the extremists who are prepared to stoop to new levels of low to obtain there desires.

btw., Warn your little one not to bite back, she'll end up banned, I've seen it happen before!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 02, 2018, 10:29:19 am
Exactly ... briiliant captain, played for the cap, maintained team harmony and never flinched from the tough qiestions posed of him.  Pity he's ruled himself out

Pity Stephen Kernahan didn't when he should have
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 02, 2018, 10:31:25 am
I can only talk about what I've seen, but the first three rounds of this season have been eye opening.

I don't see why you need to talk to the opposition on the cricket field other than to say you're coming around the wicket.  I found the silent treatment a better policy.

I've told my kids the best way to beat the on field pricks is to  beat them fair any square, not sink to their level.   Actions,  not words.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 03, 2018, 10:34:46 am
I can only talk about what I've seen, but the first three rounds of this season have been eye opening.

I don't see why you need to talk to the opposition on the cricket field other than to say you're coming around the wicket.  I found the silent treatment a better policy.

I've told my kids the best way to beat the on field pricks is to  beat them fair any square, not sink to their level.   Actions,  not words.
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Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 04, 2018, 05:48:06 pm
Coulter-Nile, from WA, defending 152, 1 over = 0/16

Thank-fully the team has Langer in command!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on November 04, 2018, 06:02:54 pm
To be fair, he was the only one who looked like he knew which end of the bat to hold. Our batting is so bad it doesn't matter who bowls what
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on November 04, 2018, 08:07:15 pm
Australian cricket will be in the doldrums for a long time to come.  I reckon boxing day at the MCG will fall well short in terms of attendances

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on November 04, 2018, 09:10:50 pm
Attendance will be OK, but support will be 90% for India
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Post by: DJC on November 04, 2018, 09:32:34 pm
Coulter-Nile, from WA, defending 152, 1 over = 0/16

Thank-fully the team has Langer in command!

I don’t know whether that was down to Langer, the skipper or someone else, but opening the bowling with anyone but our best bowler in those circumstances is tantamount to giving up.

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Post by: flyboy77 on November 04, 2018, 10:20:57 pm
Coulter- Nile is a damn fine bowler....not an opeining bowler (yet) at international level but to use the WA connection is putrid....

Learn the game a bit better before you sprout such BS...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 04, 2018, 11:41:42 pm
That wicket was poor for one day cricket.....its was lively and Steyn took full advantage early...I thought injury had finished him but that was the old Steyn out there with 2-18...didnt bowl a wide or no ball either. Not sure why we prepared a wicket like that with their pace attack and our fragile batting....
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Post by: Professer E on November 05, 2018, 07:24:52 am
Take two batsmen from the side and we get nothing but collapses.   We're not a two man side because I know some of these blokes can play but their confidence is totally shot.   Longer needs to work on mental side as much as technique.  Time to harden up.
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Post by: malo on November 05, 2018, 08:09:31 am
I've been cringing for some time now the (mostly Gen Y) commentators using the term "Batters" to describe Batsmen....a term that has been used in cricket for over 150 years.

Apparently though I'm the one who's mistaken !

The level of "Batsmanship" shown by our current players bears very little resemblance to Batsman of past eras, and is more akin to the cross bat slogging shown by baseball "Batters"......In fact even baseball hitters are probably more discerning over their shot selection than the current muppets.......Yay for the Big Bash ! 

Unfortunately there are no 3 strikes & out for our guys.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on November 05, 2018, 09:05:35 am
It's crap IMO.  "Batters" belong with baseball, NOT cricket
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Post by: Professer E on November 05, 2018, 09:37:06 am
Where was the prep work for this game?   Expecting them to just front up and flick the switch?   Lunacy.

After reviewing the footage this morning,  FMD,  what an inept batting display.   Shot selection that would shame the U10s....a series of flat footed drives at swinging deliveries,  flat footed bunts and swats to mid on.   The almost manical need to play at pitched up balls like a junkie going cold turkey. Just leave them you clowns.

Getting then to do the basics would be a start Justin.

I reckon that our need to do well across all formats is hurting the side. Sloggy style no footwork 20-20 batting is creeping into the the other formats and it shows.   A wicket taking ball needs to be respected at all levels,  not treated with disdain.

A lot of work to do between their ears Justin.
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Post by: Professer E on November 05, 2018, 09:39:06 am
The "batters" term is from the promotion of the women's format,  the non gender specific term.
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Post by: laj on November 05, 2018, 11:14:22 am
Fortunately, looking at Shield form, batting line up will be entirely different.

Harris has made 65 on top of his 250 last game, Renshaw made 89, Handscomb 123.

Looking at ..

Harris
Renshaw
Khawaja
Handscomb
Finch
Labuschagne
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazelwood

Better than the crap that has been playing for us.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on November 05, 2018, 11:26:26 am
The "batters" term is from the promotion of the women's format,  the non gender specific term.

The first guy to reference that stupid word was Ian Cheppell and that was a LONG time ago.  When questioned about it, he referred to his other pastime ... baseball.  Fact.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 05, 2018, 11:31:17 am
That was a crap pitch.

150 was a poor effort, but a high score was never on the cards.

However, our ODI bowlers are rubbish, they spray it like it's weed killer and it looked like SA would make 300+ on an otherwise crap pitch! I'll get lampooned but Starc is a ODI bowlers ar5ehole, he is probably the best Test strike bowler in cricket at the moment but for ODI or T20 he should be banished to the desert! In ODI he is just another Tait! I'd assert the only thing getting Starc the gig is his batting and he just isn't a consistent enough performer with the bat to justify it!

We've way too many players who are solely focussed on earning big dollars in big bash, they can't or won't play the longer forms of the game with any focus or stoicism.

It's making Australian Cricket look like a joke!
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Post by: Professer E on November 05, 2018, 12:19:00 pm
X2.  For every spectacular late in swinging stumps smasher there's a lot of old rope being served up by Mr Starc.

We bowled crap on a pitch that suited smart pace bowling,  not the stuff we dished up.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 05, 2018, 01:30:27 pm
Fortunately, looking at Shield form, batting line up will be entirely different.

Harris has made 65 on top of his 250 last game, Renshaw made 89, Handscomb 123.

Looking at ..

Harris
Renshaw
Khawaja
Handscomb
Finch
Labuschagne
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazelwood

Better than the crap that has been playing for us.

Cummins looks the pick of the batsman...... ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 05, 2018, 02:16:37 pm
Better technique than many.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 05, 2018, 05:11:21 pm
Mitch Marsh made 151 today. Not sure if that helps our cause or not.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 05, 2018, 05:29:41 pm
Mitch Marsh made 151 today. Not sure if that helps our cause or not.

On current trends he'll  be captain before sunset!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on November 05, 2018, 06:47:58 pm
Good one LP :)
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Post by: northernblue on November 06, 2018, 12:15:57 am
The first guy to reference that stupid word was Ian Cheppell and that was a LONG time ago.  When questioned about it, he referred to his other pastime ... baseball.  Fact.

I first heard it out of Warne’s mouth whilst he was still playing.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 06, 2018, 12:33:27 am
The first guy to reference that stupid word was Ian Cheppell and that was a LONG time ago.  When questioned about it, he referred to his other pastime ... baseball.  Fact.

Yep, Chappelli had been using it since the WSC days.
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Post by: malo on November 06, 2018, 08:20:01 am
The "batters" term is from the promotion of the women's format,  the non gender specific term.

Fine..use it when commentating Womens cricket.

I had to laugh the other day when Pat Cummins was doing some commentary on the Womens Aust vs NZ one dayer at North Sydney...he called them batsmen a couple of times.

In the earlier days of Womens cricket they were actually called batswomen too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 06, 2018, 08:23:09 am
In any case, the term for Batsmen is the least of our current Batting specialists worries.....actually batting through 50 overs seems to be the current problem.

And I agree with others on here about Starc...he is possibly the most overrated, pressure reducing, run leaking bowler we've had in recent memory...and I used to be very hard on Mitch Johnson in his early years !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 06, 2018, 08:25:06 am
X2.  For every spectacular late in swinging stumps smasher there's a lot of old rope being served up by Mr Starc.

Have you noticed that these rare deliveries are almost exclusively produced to tail-enders as well ?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 06, 2018, 10:37:51 am
Fine..use it when commentating Womens cricket.

I had to laugh the other day when Pat Cummins was doing some commentary on the Womens Aust vs NZ one dayer at North Sydney...he called them batsmen a couple of times.

In the earlier days of Womens cricket they were actually called batswomen too.

At work the other day I had to get some equipment for a job we were doing and when I went to the equipment store and talked to my old mate the storeman he told
me he was no longer the storeman he was the "storeperson"....that was now his official title and it was changed due to work place equality.
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Post by: Professer E on November 06, 2018, 03:32:57 pm
Malo, Starc has always  reminded me of a Diet Coke version of MJ.  Just as much froth and bubble,  looks similar but doesn't satisfy like the real thing.
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Post by: Professer E on November 06, 2018, 03:35:35 pm
BTW,  isn't our current batting coach Graeme Hick?  

Don't remember him being a particularly successful test batsman.

Punter should be involved with this side in some capacity.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 06, 2018, 03:55:52 pm
BTW,  isn't our current batting coach Graeme Hick?  

Don't remember him being a particularly successful test batsman.

Punter should be involved with this side in some capacity.

Hick was a stylist with good technique but struggled vs Aus,.. think he was close to a century once out here and the captain declared on him....

Punter is the new Mark Taylor on channel 7.....still coaches in the IPL obviously for the big dollars though Punter isnt exactly short of a rupee or two, read he was worth in excess of 100 million
with more to come. Dont see him doing any coaching for us over the next 6 years while he has the CH7 job which is about 3 mill a year....dont think the Aus batting coach job will cover that...
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Post by: capcom on November 06, 2018, 04:55:31 pm
Hick?  God help us :(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 06, 2018, 04:57:37 pm
Short bus ride to Hick from Hack.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2018, 06:15:37 pm
Didn't bat well in the short forms or on those Asian but i'm sure we'll be much better come the Test Series on our own decks. Be a different line up, not 20/20 sloggers with no technique.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 07, 2018, 04:59:23 pm
In hindsight the biggest mistake CA made with Shane Warne was not playing him sooner. Fair enough he was dropped, and there was a risk at the time he might eat the rest of the team in protest. But the sooner he got in then dropped the sooner he stepped up to the next level.

If this Pope kid is any good, get him in the squad, lets not stuff around offering up has-been 2nd rate NSWelshmen as backup spinners! And as parochial as I am Jon Holland is never going to be the man!

We should have the opposition thinking we are making pitches for the likes of Starc and Pattinson and instead prepare a bunch of spinning tracks for the kid on the rise!
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Post by: Professer E on November 07, 2018, 08:43:12 pm
I don't understand why we aren't making pitches that suit Parttinson ET AL.  Oh,  sorry,  the ACB is so busy kowtowing to Kohli and the BCCI that we'll get roads that suit the other teams, not us.   Then again,  we're cheats,  not like those perfect, angelic Indians and  Sri Lankans.  No match fixing or doctored pitches over there.... Lankans should have been banned from tests for three years for the crap they pulled last tour.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 08, 2018, 10:19:20 am
I don't understand why we aren't making pitches that suit Parttinson ET AL.  Oh,  sorry,  the ACB is so busy kowtowing to Kohli and the BCCI that we'll get roads that suit the other teams, not us.   Then again,  we're cheats,  not like those perfect, angelic Indians and  Sri Lankans.  No match fixing or doctored pitches over there.... Lankans should have been banned from tests for three years for the crap they pulled last tour.
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That's what annoys me too. We make roads to kowtow to India and to make Tests go 5 days. Hurts our batsmen so much when they go overseas. They learn nothing playing on roads.

Somehow, we've managed to be the most successful non-Asian team on Asian wickets in recent times. Other sides must be crape.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2018, 10:31:23 am
Money talks, fear walks.

We've got players crapting themselves about touring those countries for test cricket. They think if the indigenous public see them as playing fair, and as a result of that being easy beats, that the lunatics won't blow up the tour bus! All it does is make the Aussie's sporting road kill, while Kohli continues to maximise the fear of touring India as a match tactic!

The Saffies, as they are prone to be, want the fight so they are up for it, they have evolved in a racially combative environment so they deal with it much better, that is why they are going through a golden period.

The Aussie's want to be tucked safely in bed with a nice warm glass of Milo!

It's both a moronic and hypocritical mindset, because the same Aussie players are queuing up to get on a flight to play in the IPL fearless in the face of cash!

That tells you that the problem isn't the crowd, it's the board executives, politicians and bureaucrats!
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Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2018, 01:16:36 pm
I don't see it that way LP, I've seen a few of our boys at close hand and they are fair dinkum tough competitors.  However, the IPL is a serious distraction for the fringe and second tier bloke, the "I'm not going to play tests, I need to make hay while I can types".   No more grinding away in the shield for 10 years trying to bridge a skill gap a la Hussey or Rogers, it's now a couple of games for the state and straight off to Chennai or Kolkata etc. 

I feel that the test players have been so  overloaded by .... noise (for want of a better word)... from on high that they have forgotten how to (a) play and (b) win.   FFS, what bozos up the food chain took decent, really quiet kids like Bancroft and Smith or Peter Handscombe or Burns and got them so wound up that they tried to be in your face hard asses???  Be yourselves, not something you ain't.

It's pretty simple really ... pick the best side (not the selector's and coaches favourites) and just play cricket.  Less over-thinking and more doing.
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Post by: Pratty on November 08, 2018, 01:22:12 pm
Sorry haven't read all the posts and haven't ben on for a while, but I'd have Peter Handscomb back in the Test team. Very tempted to keep Marnus Labuschagne in. I love his versatility and that he can bowl leggies. Marcus Stoinis is a superstar in the making. Needs a run at it at Test level IMO.

There are a bunch of superstar kids coming through who are teenagers or 20 21 years olds. We're going to be set if they continue on their merry way at Shield level! I'm hoping we bring some in to the international ODI and/or Test team. Still reckon ODI's, you blood a bunch of your next Test level players, as we did many moons ago.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2018, 01:31:32 pm
It's pretty simple really ... pick the best side (not the selector's and coaches favourites) and just play cricket.  Less over-thinking and more doing.

Well I agree about this part, but on the other stuff I think IPL has removed the hunger required to be a test player for every country except India.

It is absolutely no accident that IPL is almost by design weakening international cricket, and it's no accident that many BCCI test players pick and choose the odd game here or there while staying mostly in the background to concentrate on test cricket. While most of the BCCI's opponents are talent raped by the IPL.

I've heard that if you are an BCCI test player you get the full IPL contract, whether you play one game or ten games, the BCCI compensate test players to allow them to sit out of the IPL and concentrate on test cricket. But if you are an international cricketer you only get pro-rata based on how many IPL games you play, and the other less rich cricket boards do not compensate players who miss IPL games due to test matches!
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Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2018, 06:45:22 pm
The kiwis call out a bloke for chucking - who has been called out four times already in his career - and the calling out party is jumped upon.  

What a surprise,  it's a spinner from Asia with a bodgy action.  They changed the rules to allow this grey area into the rules bad now they don't,  can't or won't police it.

The original rules were pretty simple,  you bowl with a straight arm or you F off any play baseball.   This fifteen degree rule is just bull crap. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2018, 07:11:11 pm
The original rules were pretty simple,  you bowl with a straight arm or you F off any play baseball.   This fifteen degree rule is just bull crap.

You can blame Dav Whatmore for this, he played the race card when he was coaching Muralitharan and it looked like he was going to be banned for chucking!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2018, 08:40:07 pm
One of the greatest loads of hogwash I've ever seen on a cricket field.   We treated one of our own - Meckiff - like trash in the 1960s over chucking but they modified the rules because of the race card. And the treatment of Darrel Hair for doing his job -  calling a dodgy action for what it was within the rules - makes me want to screwing well puke.

I've been shown by a former Australian Test leg spinner how to bowl a "doosra" and the only way to put the desired revolutions on the ball is to throw it by unfurling the wrist and bending the elbow for leverage - its a throw pure and simple.  I also know that CA won't let coaches teach it because it is considered a throw and an illegitimate delivery.
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 08, 2018, 09:56:20 pm
Indeed, Meckiff was no chucker.

And certainly no more than 90% of today's quicks....

Muri? Pure chucker....
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Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2018, 10:04:25 pm
He cocked his wrist,  which is what they all do.   He was the scapegoat in a witch hunt,  buts that's a discussion for another time.

Believe it not,  I saw him down the nets a fortnight ago, with Bill Lawry in tow.    Ian's son or grandson (I'm not sure which)  plays for seniors at my kids' club.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2018, 11:45:37 pm
Here's a tip for CA.

Don't bother sacking the fitness guy when you load up the test squad with busted-ar5e sons of nepotism!

Selection in the Australian Test Team is available to everyone, not just your relatives!
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Post by: DJC on November 09, 2018, 07:45:22 am
He cocked his wrist,  which is what they all do.   He was the scapegoat in a witch hunt,  buts that's a discussion for another time.

Believe it not,  I saw him down the nets a fortnight ago, with Bill Lawry in tow.    Ian's son or grandson (I'm not sure which)  plays for seniors at my kids' club.

I remember reading an article in which the writer described being shown a film of a bowler by Don Bradman.  The writer identified the left arm bowler as Meckiff by his action.  Bradman then reversed the film and explained that it was footage of Ray Lindwall ...
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Post by: Professer E on November 09, 2018, 08:02:30 am
Memory fails me,  but around that time Ray was brought back for a final test as a replacement and he described himself as "the last of the real bowlers".  There was a view that all left arm quick were chuckers..... A view carried through to Mitch Johnson with his slingy action.

Left arm bowlers,  by gads,  sinistrists!   It's just not cricket by Jove!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 09, 2018, 08:06:08 am
I remember reading an article in which the writer described being shown a film of a bowler by Don Bradman.  The writer identified the left arm bowler as Meckiff by his action.  Bradman then reversed the film and explained that it was footage of Ray Lindwall ...

That's Pareidolia at work, you can't un-see something once you see it.

btw, at a sportsmen night I've seen a similar trick done with a silhouette technique, you would swear Ricky Ponting's throwing action was Muralitharan bowling!

But lets not get those far more subtle effects like Meckiff, Brett Lee's bouncers, Tait and Malinga compared to the situation in the Whatmore / Muralitharan scenario. Anyone with half a cents worth of consideration for the game could foresee where this would lead, and the officials ignored it out of fear at being labelled a racist! Now there is a whole generation of "pitchers" coming through junior sub-continent cricket, the actions are barely recognisable as bowling!

The real tragedy for me is the record of a bowler like Warne or Lillee will slip into obscurity next to the stats the pitchers will accumulate. Some of the pitchers will be able to play into their 40s to a high level!

For posters who like to take the moderate approach claiming nobody will take it to the extreme for advantage, check out this video.
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1060255516109271040
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 09, 2018, 08:56:00 am
That's Pareidolia at work, you can't un-see something once you see it.

btw, at a sportsmen night I've seen a similar trick done with a silhouette technique, you would swear Ricky Ponting's throwing action was Muralitharan bowling!

But lets not get those far more subtle effects like Meckiff, Brett Lee's bouncers, Tait and Malinga compared to the situation in the Whatmore / Muralitharan scenario. Anyone with half a cents worth of consideration for the game could foresee where this would lead, and the officials ignored it out of fear at being labelled a racist! Now there is a whole generation of "pitchers" coming through junior sub-continent cricket, the actions are barely recognisable as bowling!

The real tragedy for me is the record of a bowler like Warne or Lillee will slip into obscurity next to the stats the pitchers will accumulate. Some of the pitchers will be able to play into their 40s to a high level!

For posters who like to take the moderate approach claiming nobody will take it to the extreme for advantage, check out this video.
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1060255516109271040

Trouble is, bowlers with dodgy actions should never be allowed to get to the elite  level.....but junior coaches & umpires are too scared now to call any kid out on it in their formative years.  The longer they get away with it (and most of the time they don't know they're doing anything wrong) the harder it is to correct them later, especially if they're successful  !

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 09, 2018, 09:53:00 am
I was banned from coaching at a club because I made them all bowl and weeded out those with bent arms.  Session after session of remedial work on some kids,  taught thousands how to bowl.   Left,  right,  pace,  spin, all types of kids and bowling.   More than one parent had a go at me over the issue of bodgy actions.    I'm of the opinion that if you get kids early and  coach them  properly they don't fall into irreparable technique issues.

As others have said,  if you want to throw, plenty of baseball clubs around.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 09, 2018, 02:31:03 pm
Trouble is, bowlers with dodgy actions should never be allowed to get to the elite  level.....but junior coaches & umpires are too scared now to call any kid out on it in their formative years.  The longer they get away with it (and most of the time they don't know they're doing anything wrong) the harder it is to correct them later, especially if they're successful  !

The trouble it's a chicken and egg argument, the kids allowed to persist with dodgy actions end up taking more wickets because they can do the seemingly impossible with the ball.

Next thing you know some win at all costs spud bookmaker wants them in the test side!
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Post by: Professer E on November 09, 2018, 05:54:21 pm
Another send off from Rabada, guess they'll suspend again whatever slap on the wrist he gets. Gee, aren't some if these players really heeding officials and changing their behaviour for the better?
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Post by: Jack Burton on November 09, 2018, 06:21:15 pm
Australian cricketers are forced to play on a different playing field than anyone else, and I just don't understand why we are doing this to ourselves. Better just get used to losing I guess. Nothing will be said about what Rabada did, but if an Australian bowler did the same thing it would be front page news. Mystifying
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Post by: Professer E on November 09, 2018, 07:11:38 pm
Personally I reckon send offs make you look like an utter dick. 

I agree Jack,  if Starc did it,  could you imagine the outrage?

Next time he faces up I'd make sure the first ball is at the base of leg stump.  The second would be at his throat.   I'd make sure there would be a comment from a close in fielder like "send that off mate" just to underscore the message.
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Post by: Professer E on November 09, 2018, 07:19:16 pm
BTW,  where's the umpire in this incident?   When I was playing it was "captain,  come here.   Control your player or he's on report".
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 09, 2018, 09:22:28 pm
Really impressed by Carey,  looks a solid citizen but FIIK what the selectors see in Zampa. Very average.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 09, 2018, 09:28:54 pm
Really impressed by Carey,  looks a solid citizen but FIIK what the selectors see in Zampa. Very average.

Carey is handy with the bat for sure.......we just cant seem to get that keeper batsman who can hold his place in the top 6...its a bonus for SA having DeKock who can play in all formats.
Zampa doesnt get much deviation and is a one day domestic player only.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 10, 2018, 11:40:27 am
Pitch might've been slow with the lower scores but then again this is two outstanding fast bowling attacks. Thanks goodness for our bowlers. Batting was better but lost wickets after good starts.

Now sure what they see in Zampa. His late order batting might've gone along way to winning the game for us but he's there to bowl. Every time I see Lyon bowl in the short form game he does well, not sure why he doesn't play. Not sure why Zampa plays ahead of Agar, a better bowler and he bats.
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Post by: Professer E on November 10, 2018, 12:19:42 pm
It was an odd game,  neither side's batting looks convincing - shot selection awful eg Head missing a straight one. Both sides have good attacks although a lot of improvement left in ours.   Neither of these teams can win the WC if it were played in their current guise. Batting simply neither in form or good enough.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 10, 2018, 12:44:36 pm
Saffies really miss ABdV,  more than they let on.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 10, 2018, 10:30:11 pm
Australian cricketers are forced to play on a different playing field than anyone else, and I just don't understand why we are doing this to ourselves. Better just get used to losing I guess. Nothing will be said about what Rabada did, but if an Australian bowler did the same thing it would be front page news. Mystifying

Just like CFC, too much over analysis because we simply aren't winning!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 11, 2018, 06:56:12 pm
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Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 11, 2018, 09:35:25 pm
DRS rule needs an overhaul....Saffies took forever to ask for a review and the time limit for such an appeal was exceeded easily however SA did appeal and got the verdict.
David Miller was the player and he didnt make the appeal it was Faf Deplussis who did but the rule states the batsman on strike has to make the appeal. Miller  who is a fine player should have been on his way but added about another 100 to his score......
Aleem Dar gave Miller out initially but seemed intent to save him and waited till Miller made some sort of half hearted appeal after Faf gestured he wanted to appeal..
A real messy appeal and the powers at be need to tighten up the laws in regards to DRS and signal time has expired.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 11, 2018, 09:41:51 pm
Sick of the commentators hanging it on Maxwell for scoring 35 odd in what was effectively four overs. They hang crap on him when he has to come in and score at 12 an over minimum. He's being setup to take the blame, Marsh will be in for another few losses before he saves his arse again with a 1 in 5 innings, and Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins and Stoinis will be free from blame for the tripe they delivered through the afternoon!

I don't get how the Saffies can bowl so high and wide and get away with it, if we did that to Faf it would be a NB-Wide-Bonus-Free Hit!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 11, 2018, 10:00:22 pm
Overall a pretty meaningless series but we did ok given our craptastic batting.   Gave up 20 - 30 too many bowling and  our top order Fing useless again.  Lynn opening,  which Muppet came up with that brainiac decision?  Lasted as long as I expected against Steyn - one ball.   As for Head,  I thought bats had to make runs to get a gig?  What's he ever done?    I get the feeling Maxy is coming in too late in the order, needs to bat one slot higher. A lot of work to do but it could be worse.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: spf on November 12, 2018, 01:31:59 am
Overall a pretty meaningless series but we did ok given our craptastic batting.   Gave up 20 - 30 too many bowling and  our top order Fing useless again.  Lynn opening,  which Muppet came up with that brainiac decision?  Lasted as long as I expected against Steyn - one ball.   As for Head,  I thought bats had to make runs to get a gig?  What's he ever done?    I get the feeling Maxy is coming in too late in the order, needs to bat one slot higher. A lot of work to do but it could be worse.

Here's one for you; open with him. It worked for Gilchrist, it was the reason he ended up opening with Mark Waugh, they had to change things up after losing the first three games. Steve Waugh had a moment of inspiration, swapped him with Tom Moody with 20 minutes warning, the rest is history. Why couldn't Maxwell open as an unorthodox attacking opener?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2018, 05:57:16 am
Agreed,  he has a more solid technique than Lynn,  more chance of keeping out the good ones you expect early.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 12, 2018, 08:53:32 am
Agreed,  he has a more solid technique than Lynn,  more chance of keeping out the good ones you expect early.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree...Lynn's reputation has been built on Big Bash...and it is plainly obvious how much of a step up international 50 over cricket is.

What was also highlighted very clearly yesterday was the difference in bowling plans & / or execution for the last 10 overs.  They scored 140 off the last 10 FFS !!!  We used to have the best finishers in the game going back to Waugh & O'Donnell, McDermott, McGrath...now these guys are just providing hitting length balls with the same pace on each.  Cummings, as much as I love him as a bowler, is a Test Match specialist.  Starc...where's the yorkers when you need them, Hazelwood, again is better at Test level.  The Saffers showed us exactly how to bowl in the last 10.

Anyway.....onto the Tests in November as usual.

I suppose yesterday will give S.Marsh a free ticket to all 4 of them.



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 12, 2018, 09:59:41 am
Maxwell is suffering from his lack of friends, not from his lack of ability.

Even when he came in last night and got to 20 odd runs off 10 balls they were bagging him for erratic batting, like he could do better, like anybody could do better than that!

It was moronic commentary, one minute they were bleating that we needed get on with things because we needed 12 runs an over, then they were complaining about the bloke who was scoring at 12 runs an over!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 12, 2018, 10:03:31 am
Happy to stick with Lynn... think he deserves his chance in the short formats.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 12, 2018, 10:23:05 am
Happy to stick with Lynn... think he deserves his chance in the short formats.

Lynn is a pig of a bat.
Either to scared to get behind it or his technique is not good enough.
Either way he ain't good enough for a world cup, which is only 8 months away.

Khawaja, Smith and dare I say it, Warner must play world cup.

The bowlers need a kick up the asss for that effort yesterday too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2018, 10:28:00 am
That's what jerks my chain too Malo.  Bloody Marsh makes one score any suddenly he's a lock again.   His inconsistency is so frustrating.  I think the stats say that only one in five of his innings exceed single figures. You just  can't bank on him making runs.

I thought his dismissal in the second ODI for 22 was particularly poor.   Lazy shot,  from a bloke that has catastrophic lapses in concentration.

I'd be worried if i was Mitch Marsh,  Stoinis is becoming a more consistent player.  He gets wickets but his bowling is a bit inconsistent.  Don't know if he land enough balls in the right place often enough to be a threat in the longer form.

We've found out next keeper though.

Oh,  and another thing,  I'm getting tired of the Faf  du P good bloke Schtick.....he gamed that DRS call and it was very, very poor form.   Kohli ripped Smith for that issue last tour,  seems Faf didn't get the memo.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 12, 2018, 10:35:59 am
If as a team you only had one good game in five, you'd be dead last on the various competition tables. For Carlton that would be 4 wins in a season, and our fans would still be screaming!

Guess where Australia is heading?

We have guys retaining their spot in the squad based on roughly one good game in five, bowlers and batsmen, some of them incapable of fielding or throwing as well!

You cannot move forward as a group under these circumstances, either they have to find ways to contribute when their batting and bowling fails, like catching, runouts, etc., etc., or they have to make way for players who do!

All or nothing usually means nothing!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 12, 2018, 12:02:51 pm
That's what jerks my chain too Malo.  Bloody Marsh makes one score any suddenly he's a lock again.   His inconsistency is so frustrating.  I think the stats say that only one in five of his innings exceed single figures. You just  can't bank on him making runs.

I thought his dismissal in the second ODI for 22 was particularly poor.   Lazy shot,  from a bloke that has catastrophic lapses in concentration.

I'd be worried if i was Mitch Marsh,  Stoinis is becoming a more consistent player.  He gets wickets but his bowling is a bit inconsistent.  Don't know if he land enough balls in the right place often enough to be a threat in the longer form.

We've found out next keeper though.

Oh,  and another thing,  I'm getting tired of the Faf  du P good bloke Schtick.....he gamed that DRS call and it was very, very poor form.   Kohli ripped Smith for that issue last tour,  seems Faf didn't get the memo.

Not sure why you're ripping into Marsh, he's no worse than any of the other so called 5 or 6 batsmen!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 12, 2018, 12:14:29 pm
Not sure why you're ripping into Marsh, he's no worse than any of the other so called 5 or 6 batsmen!

A lot of them won't get so many chances though! ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 12, 2018, 12:52:55 pm
In that side that played yesterday, Marsh is clearly the best player.

Finch, Lynn and Head are all 20/20 players with little technique.

Marsh is no star but easily better than those clowns
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 12, 2018, 01:07:05 pm
In that side that played yesterday, Marsh is clearly the best player.

Finch, Lynn and Head are all 20/20 players with little technique.

Marsh is no star but easily better than those clowns

Finch as captain is a huge improvement over some of the other recent appointees, perhaps he should be our modern version of Bob Simpson or Mike Brearley!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 13, 2018, 12:29:16 pm
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree...Lynn's reputation has been built on Big Bash...and it is plainly obvious how much of a step up international 50 over cricket is.

What was also highlighted very clearly yesterday was the difference in bowling plans & / or execution for the last 10 overs.  They scored 140 off the last 10 FFS !!!  We used to have the best finishers in the game going back to Waugh & O'Donnell, McDermott, McGrath...now these guys are just providing hitting length balls with the same pace on each.  Cummings, as much as I love him as a bowler, is a Test Match specialist.  Starc...where's the yorkers when you need them, Hazelwood, again is better at Test level.  The Saffers showed us exactly how to bowl in the last 10.

Anyway.....onto the Tests in November as usual.

I suppose yesterday will give S.Marsh a free ticket to all 4 of them.
Yes, I'm thinking Hazelwood and Cummins a purely Test bowlers. Berendorff is one i'd bring straight in. In ODI's i'd think about about both Stoinis and M.Marsh. I'd play two spinners too, Lyon and Fawad. Unless you have great ODI fast bowlers you need to take pace off the ball. Fast bowlers otherwise just go to the fence faster with their pace.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 14, 2018, 09:33:03 pm
Finch as captain is a huge improvement over some of the other recent appointees, perhaps he should be our modern version of Bob Simpson or Mike Brearley!

Yeah he’s a genius
We just went for 75 in the last 5 overs
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2018, 07:54:19 am
Yeah he’s a genius
We just went for 75 in the last 5 overs

The bowlers were poo, Starc even came out and stated his spell was the worst of his career, but not really I think.

Which is the point I've been making about the likes of Starc and Coulter-Nile, as ODI and T20 bowlers they suck big time! To be a successful limited overs bowler you need extreme control over every delivery, these blokes can't even put them on the pitch reliably!

Once you have one or two bolwers letting the batsmen off the hook, the job for the bowlers at the other ned becomes impossible, the pressure doesn't build and they play freely. In ODI and T20 games Starc is just another Levi Casboult, the bloke the opposition is waiting for before they take control!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2018, 08:03:06 am
Jim is right,  there's a limited place for express pace in the short formats.   Unless you can bowl that late curving Yorker at will like Tait,  Ahktar, Wakar etc it just becomes a scoring aid.   Taking the pace off the ball has its place as well.

I don't want Hazelwood and Cummins wasted in ODI,  play Behrendorff,  C-N, Richardson,  Stanlake etc. Stanlakes trajectory is the hardest to hit.

The current English model is to play a heap of lusty hitting all rounder types and few specialist bowlers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2018, 08:16:51 am
The current English model is to play a heap of lusty hitting all rounder types and few specialist bowlers.

Yep the Poms play the numbers game, lots of reliable noodlers bowling option balls here and there, and the batting pressure off the top order because they bat deep.

There is a direct correlation between slowed run rates and bowling changes.

If you can get a bunch of blokes who can reliably bowl 1 or 2 over spells, not needing 2 or 3 overs just to get going, you put the brakes on batmen as they never really get 100% settled. The only problem it adds is that on a bad day you do have an issue getting through your overs.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 15, 2018, 08:20:40 am

The current English model is to play a heap of lusty hitting all rounder types and few specialist bowlers.

You're exactly right mate, and most of their ODI side won't ever play a Test either.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2018, 08:23:33 am
You're exactly right mate, and most of their ODI side won't ever play a Test either.

That should be Starc's fate, but the problem is we don't pay enough for Test cricketers and they want limited overs money!

India put everyone to the sword because the BCCI is so rich, they basically pay their best players to regularly stand out of limited overs matches. Poms are starting to follow suit.

Until we get serious about it, and stop the half/half bullcrap, we won't recover in the cricket rankings. Limited overs is not a short form of Test Cricket, it's a whole different game!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2018, 09:14:50 am
Smith made AFR's rich list and punter is supposedly worth 100 million.   Test  cricket pays plenty of you're good enough.

Twenty twenty is for also rans.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 15, 2018, 11:31:53 am
Smith made AFR's rich list and punter is supposedly worth 100 million.   Test  cricket pays plenty of you're good enough.

Twenty twenty is for also rans.

According to Gideon Haigh, one of the problems is that Shield cricketers are being paid far too much and there is little incentive for them to push for Test selection, particularly if there's IPL money on offer.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2018, 11:43:21 am
According to Gideon Haigh, one of the problems is that Shield cricketers are being paid far too much and there is little incentive for them to push for Test selection, particularly if there's IPL money on offer.

Being paid too much in IPL and Big Bash, not in domestic and test cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2018, 11:47:09 am
Smith made AFR's rich list and punter is supposedly worth 100 million.   Test  cricket pays plenty of you're good enough.

Twenty twenty is for also rans.

This is confusing income from off-field enterprises with wages from cricket.

You'll always get the odd player who has substantial business interests, what we need are blokes who focus on test cricket as cricketers.

But this is nothing new ProfE, as you know at just about any level except 1st class the T20 and other short form teams are usually quite different to the usual 1st Eleven. Even in small suburban clubs this is normal. But in recent years it's been one team fits all for Australia, mostly because it's the short form of the game that earns the test players the big money.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 15, 2018, 11:48:16 am
Being paid too much in IPL and Big Bash, not in domestic and test cricket.

Apparently the average Shield cricketer is on $300K  :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2018, 11:56:51 am
Apparently the average Shield cricketer is on $300K  :o

That's like saying the AFL averages is now $340K.

Most do not earn that much, many only play a fraction of the available games, yet to get a game they have to train, travel and work as hard as someone who plays every game.

For a job that takes then all over the country working pretty much 7 days a week for at least half of the year it's not as glamorous as many think.

That is why IPL is so attractive, if they are any good at T20 they can earn a years wage in one game! BCCI know this, they know playing IPL disrupts the Test careers, so they took steps to make sure their own Test players were not as heavily affected. Other countries were slow to catch on!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 15, 2018, 03:20:55 pm
That's like saying the AFL averages is now $340K.

Most do not earn that much, many only play a fraction of the available games, yet to get a game they have to train, travel and work as hard as someone who plays every game.

For a job that takes then all over the country working pretty much 7 days a week for at least half of the year it's not as glamorous as many think.

That is why IPL is so attractive, if they are any good at T20 they can earn a years wage in one game! BCCI know this, they know playing IPL disrupts the Test careers, so they took steps to make sure their own Test players were not as heavily affected. Other countries were slow to catch on!

Sorry LP but Shield cricketers are on a retainer of around $200K with match payments and bonuses on top of that.  $300K is what most non-Test aspirant Shield cricketers will earn.  In 2017, Australian Test cricketers were on a retainer of $816K with Smith on $1.5M.

It was interesting listening to John Hastings today.  He said that IPL is attractive to Shield cricketers because they may top up their earnings by around $130K in a very short season.  Very few are on the big bucks.  However, for countries like South Africa, where Test cricketers get around $200K, the IPL is more attractive.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2018, 05:20:03 pm
The key there is "a very short season", that derails progress for the bulk of the year! ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Swan43 on November 15, 2018, 10:09:20 pm
On a side note, doesn't matter how much you get you might give it away or worse if you're head isn't right, as Moises Henriques made plain on 7.30 Report tonight. Will be on iView I suspect. Black Dog's bitten a couple recently. No wonder the players assn was worried about the bad boys.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 05, 2018, 01:24:57 pm
Any comments about the selected XI, to me it feels like a team to draw or lose!

I think we can expect a run feast over the last few days and not many wickets.

I got the irony of some fans calling for Mitch Marsh as a backup bowler in case one of the front line crew break-down, the irony being Mitch Marsh averages about 4 overs and would be the most likely one to break down!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 05, 2018, 03:32:40 pm
An all-rounder not doing well enough with bat to hold a place,  and not bowling enough (which equates to not enough wickets as well)  to contribute.   Not surprised he was dropped.

Pace bowling all-rounders are gold,  but if we don't have one up to snuff,  look elsewhere

Could be a long couple days in the field with the weather  if we lose the toss and Starc sprays the pill around before lunch. Head might need to contribute a few overs.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on December 05, 2018, 04:40:30 pm
I actually think this will be closer than people think - could be some good cricket ahead of us.

Hope so anyway.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 05, 2018, 08:41:22 pm
We have a good first day and we will give them a lot of curry.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 05, 2018, 09:23:38 pm
We have a good first day and we will give them a lot of curry.

I'm not sure that will be a problem.  Perhaps we could give them a good helping of roast beef - if that's not too politically incorrect  ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 06, 2018, 08:15:29 am
An all-rounder not doing well enough with bat to hold a place,  and not bowling enough (which equates to not enough wickets as well)  to contribute.   Not surprised he was dropped.

Pace bowling all-rounders are gold,  but if we don't have one up to snuff,  look elsewhere

Could be a long couple days in the field with the weather  if we lose the toss and Starc sprays the pill around before lunch. Head might need to contribute a few overs.

Hazelwood & Cummings need to take the new ball....Starc can come on after they've built up a bit of pressure......and release it all

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 06, 2018, 09:12:56 am
Hazelwood & Cummings need to take the new ball....Starc can come on after they've built up a bit of pressure......and release it all

But it's not ODI or T20, I think in tests Starc spraying the ball just makes him harder to bat against for the long haul.

In an ODI or T20 batsmen are primed for a short period of time to maximise the return from loose deliveries. It's too hard to stay in the ODI mindset during a test innings, and the fields are set to dismiss not to restrict. In test cricket generally they get set for the long haul and look to score from the predictable deliveries, almost the exact opposite.

I've had debates with family about McGrath, why was he so good if he was so predictable? But that opinion comes from cursory analysis. If you look at McGrath his control was so good that he could deliver little cutters in either direction, and land the ball around defects in the pitch at an uncomfortable length, with ridiculous ease. He could find what makes the batsmen uncomfortable and repeat it with ease.

Starc is a different prospect, in my opinion he must be more like batting against Thommo, you don't know what is coming because he doesn't know what is coming, and it all happens so quickly blink and your dead! Thommo was the same in tests and ODI as Starc, generally expensive but possible devastating. Thommo could take 5/40 or 0/100 on the same pitch, you never knew what you were going to get!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 06, 2018, 11:11:13 am
Gee it is nice to hear Tim Lane back doing cricket commentary !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 06, 2018, 11:32:41 am
Starc taking the pressure off at 1 end as usual......

Edit....but gets a wicket with 1 ball on line !  Typical...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 06, 2018, 11:38:32 am
Starc taking the pressure off at 1 end as usual......

Edit....but gets a wicket with 1 ball on line !  Typical...

Fans forget Starc spent most of his junior career as a keeper.
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Post by: BluesRock on December 06, 2018, 01:08:21 pm
4 Wickets in the first session! Great start.

That catch from Kawaja... wowsers  ;D
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Post by: Professer E on December 06, 2018, 01:15:51 pm
Cummins shouldn't be underestimated.  Bowls wicked off cutters and takes wickets with pure effort balls when the pitch is flat and doing nothing.

Makes me laugh though,  blokes averaging 50+ with good techniques  being found out by footwork deficient shots against solid test match bowling.... Sustained pressure causing batsmen to go hard at sucker balls.  If the Indians reckon this is tough,  they won't want to see a spicy deck.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 06, 2018, 01:41:00 pm
I doubt the purists will be happy with the new Test Cap manufacturer.  The coat of arms is a disgrace.  Thanks Kookaburra
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 06, 2018, 02:04:43 pm
I doubt the purists will be happy with the new Test Cap manufacturer.  The coat of arms is a disgrace.  Thanks Kookaburra

Do you have any images to reference?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 06, 2018, 02:13:13 pm
Great start by our lads!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 06, 2018, 02:16:34 pm
How much better would it be Day / Night?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 06, 2018, 02:30:05 pm
5 for 86.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 06, 2018, 02:36:09 pm
I just noticed a GPS device under Harris’s whites.  I guess I hadn’t really considered that high performance folk would be monitoring cricketers’ activity  ???
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 06, 2018, 04:02:54 pm
Do you have any images to reference?

I'll have to do that tomorrow ... guts of it is this

1.  No eyes on emu or kangaroo

2.  Zero thread relief anywhere in both emu and kangaroo

3.  No plumage on tail of emu

4.  Sun rays and stripe beneath now missing colours

6.  "AUSTRALIA" now solid yellow border, not broken

CA took the contract off Albion and they weren't about to surrender its pattern to kookaburra.  Albion manufactured the cap for over 50 years

The new one is terrible

 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 06, 2018, 04:16:18 pm
The new one is terrible

I suppose it's made in India or China now.

Back to the cricket, I long for the old days when Aussie fast bowlers did their best to turn the fingers of opposition spinners to mush, it was their job to do so no sledging needed!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 06, 2018, 05:42:56 pm
No LP ... made here in Melbourne
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 06, 2018, 06:28:44 pm
Starc throwing away the hard won gains.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 06, 2018, 08:08:08 pm
India slowly worked their way back into the game, aided by some timid field settings - perhaps understandable with a novice skipper.

I think a fifth bowler would have helped. Surely we can find an all rounder who can bat and keep the pressure on one end  :-\
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 06, 2018, 09:40:59 pm
Don't know why we didn't review when the bloke was 99.  Bowlers got a bit ragged in the last session (understandable given the conditions)  but Starc needs to play smarter.   You can't always blast the tail out and there is a correlation between his length and his results - when he bowls short he bowls crap.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 06, 2018, 09:48:51 pm
Don't know why we didn't review when the bloke was 99.  Bowlers got a bit ragged in the last session (understandable given the conditions)  but Starc needs to play smarter.   You can't always blast the tail out and there is a correlation between his length and his results - when he bowls short he bowls crap.

Novice captain?

It was the faintest of nicks but it was there and he could have been on his way back to the dressing room.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 07, 2018, 02:13:27 am
Do you have any images to reference?

Here you go LP

(http://)

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 07, 2018, 04:45:18 am
Here you go LP

(http://)

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 07, 2018, 07:48:30 am
I see what you mean, the design is not very sophisticated. I can understand your concerns, it looks like something you might buy from a cheap merchandise stand. Of course the players will always respect it, but I think I agree, they deserve better.

FWIW, I realise it's not the same but when you go into the Imperial War Museum in the UK and see the work they did by hand on uniform emblems 200 years ago it puts this stuff to shame.

Back on the cricket, well done in the field in tough conditions but today is crunch day, it's time to see if the batsmen are now big boys.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 07, 2018, 09:32:52 am
Yep, seen many LP ... bullion patxhes

The work that went into them was incredible.  Here's one from the 1930s
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 07, 2018, 10:07:40 am
The thing I hate most about the Albion emblem is the eyeballs, it's rank amateur and not needed. They look like somebody has placed a couple of dots with a permanent marker!

The thing is the test cap should look elite, like somebodies Grandma has spent a year sewing it just so, no two the same, and not mass produced, and very very traditional.

When you get that baggy green it should mean something, not the like the brown paper bag version handed out in NSW!

The stupid thing is this, for the test caps, there are any number of agricultural shows you could go to and find the right people to make these caps in a very limited but elite way and they would do it for free!

But there are a lot of things that have gone this way, think about many of the modern trophies handed out versus the old world equivalents. Either the artisans just are not around, or profit has become more important than form and function.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 07, 2018, 11:54:29 am
Finch unlucky or poor shot, a bit of both?

I can't help but feel test selection mirrors Carlton selection. All last season we seemed to pick players after they peaked and were on the slide, is it some sort of world sport trend that you have to be on the slide before you get the nod?

Finch's selection feels two or three years too late!

FMD, listening to Simon Katich on radio he's going to town on Finch for a 3rd ball inside edge dismissal, yet he defends Warner when he bats!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 07, 2018, 02:46:16 pm
Finch and Sean Marsh have one bat left to save their test careers.  

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 07, 2018, 03:06:15 pm
Finch and Sean Marsh have one bat left to save their test careers.

Probably, they have the spectre of Smith's return and others hanging over their head.

Oddly, I think Finch will get less chances purely as a symptom of the way we have persisted with the Marsh brothers.

Harris obviously deserves a stint, and Handscomb has probably already scored enough runs to move ahead of Finch.

What would really throw the cat among the pigeons is if Maxwell or Pattinson start making Shield runs, except Maxwell ran himself out on 57 today.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 07, 2018, 04:36:26 pm
Finch and Sean Marsh have one bat left to save their test careers.

Marsh just has to make a score at any level of cricket and we'll be safe for another series or two  ;)

Finch is a bit stiff; batting out of position and not having had red ball cricket in the lead up to the test.  I suspect that won't be taken into consideration when the selectors meet.
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Post by: Professer E on December 07, 2018, 05:12:00 pm
The Finch selection is insane IMO.   Expecting him to open, when he bats middle order for Victoria and hasn't seen any red ball cricket... Like him as a player but FMD,  expecting him to make runs was low chance stuff. He was originally picked to play the Warner role in the UAE,  the go hard before the spinners come on role, but persisting with him is nuts.

Marsh is a very,  very mediocre player,  long term statistics show that.   Time to move on from him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 07, 2018, 05:30:22 pm
The batsmen have tried to grind and just bat,  hopefully somebody can cash in late in the day and put some scoreboard pressure back on this mob.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 07, 2018, 06:17:58 pm
Two rank chop ons, but that shot from Handscombe.  FMD Pete,  what were you thinking???
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 07, 2018, 06:34:17 pm
Paine's batting - on a par with Marsh?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 07, 2018, 08:59:25 pm
Two rank chop ons, but that shot from Handscombe.  FMD Pete,  what were you thinking???

He has a woeful technique, nice bloke but not test level.....I guess a chop on from him is better than his usual straddle the crease and get plumb LBW hitting across the line....
Head isnt that gifted but at least seems able to graft and from a bloke with a limited overs background initially he does put some value on his wicket....
Hopefully we can get a small lead and out them under pressure, batting last wont be easy, Ashwin is a skilled operator...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 07, 2018, 09:04:41 pm
Paine's batting - on a par with Marsh?

Sean Marsh is a perennial tease, one good knock in six and he seems to survive to the next test series, he needs dropping for good.........I prefer Carey to Paine but the latter is the skipper and in charge of making Aus cricket pure and silky clean again so will keep his spot.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 07, 2018, 11:48:28 pm
Paine's glove work is top notch and his results to date haven't matched his ability with the bat.  His numbers are OK but a big score would prove his capabilities. They won't drop him but i wonder he will continue after this summer.

Carey is clearly the anointed one and deservedly so.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 08, 2018, 10:53:42 am
Sean Marsh is a perennial tease, one good knock in six and he seems to survive to the next test series, he needs dropping for good.........I prefer Carey to Paine but the latter is the skipper and in charge of making Aus cricket pure and silky clean again so will keep his spot.

Agree Head at least puts a price on his own head..... :)

The rest (Khawaja probably got some family issues in his mind) are a joke... the lack of basic discipline is extraordinary - is the batting coach still Hick?

Shoot him and move on....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 08, 2018, 01:51:28 pm
Shot selection is fecking awful. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 08, 2018, 01:59:05 pm
Damian Martyn lost a big chunk of his career as a result of a shot far less deplorable than any of these current clowns.....

too much money, too little responsibility these days.

Our rugby union team reeks of the same issues.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 08, 2018, 02:43:27 pm
Shot selection is fecking awful.

It’s something I have noticed from all players with the bat from both sides. How hard is it to leave a ball outside the off stump that isn’t there to be hit?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 08, 2018, 03:17:15 pm
So far it's the bad Starc.

We all know he only needs to get one or two on line to get a result, but getting one or two on line would be a bonus at the moment!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 08, 2018, 03:52:49 pm
So far it's the bad Starc.

We all know he only needs to get one or two on line to get a result, but getting one or two on line would be a bonus at the moment!

Will come good v the tail
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 08, 2018, 07:10:08 pm
Starc doesn't come up after a solid first innings hit out and quite frankly, he's been below par for some time. I know it won't be popular but he needs a kick up the backside.   I'd drop him,  he's not pulling his weight.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 08, 2018, 07:16:00 pm
Starc doesn't come up after a solid first innings hit out and quite frankly, he's been below par for some time. I know it won't be popular but he needs a kick up the backside.   I'd drop him,  he's not pulling his weight.

x100 - seems way off his best.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 08, 2018, 07:35:27 pm
I reckon he's also carrying something, and doesn't appear to be the kind who is effective less than 100 percent fit.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 09, 2018, 06:20:09 am
Lyon,  who is bowling superbly,  runs through them today.   We make 300 easily  and win with a session to spare.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 09, 2018, 09:05:14 am
Lyon,  who is bowling superbly,  runs through them today.   We make 300 easily  and win with a session to spare.

Glass half full Prof?

It is an attractive scenario - I hope you’re right  :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 09, 2018, 09:22:06 am
You'd get long odds on an Australian win
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 09, 2018, 10:00:49 am
We're allowed to dream... And I reckon we're overdue for a change in fortune.   And just imagine Kohli at the after match presser,  his head would explode.

I'd give the left one to see it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 09, 2018, 10:02:35 am
We're allowed to dream... And I reckon we're overdue for a change in fortune.   And just imagine Kohli at the after match presser,  his head would explode.

I'd give the left one to see it.

It's not impossible, but Ashwin might have something to say about it.

The thing is even 350 is not out of the realm of possibility in Adelaide, especially given the potential of our batting list. This pitch looks like it's not breaking up, and footmarks for left handers are not in play when Ashwin is bowling.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 09, 2018, 11:32:42 am
No chance.
Two of our batsmen can’t score.
We’ve made 300 twice in the last 11 innings with only one century.
Indians still $1.35
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 09, 2018, 12:08:04 pm
Starc is a pie chucker.  Time to play somebody who wants to play long form cricket, though with these pitches,  why bother bowling pace?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 09, 2018, 12:25:31 pm
Starc is a pie chucker.  Time to play somebody who wants to play long form cricket, though with these pitches,  why bother bowling pace?

Not sure if the pitches are the problem. Composure and focus on the job you are paid to do is the issue. It’s one thing to have self belief and confidence. It’s another thing to be figjam. At the moment it seriously looks like Australian cricket won’t produce world winning form for at least ten years. We need to lose what is in the system and bring in new talent that don’t think their sh1t doesn’t stink, and actually work the game. Test cricket is so tough and a real chess game. We have bred too many big bash players. Pujara is a classic example of how to play the game.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 09, 2018, 02:56:11 pm
He bowled with more intent after lunch but his body language hasn't been great and the fact that he keeps firing balls down leg suggests a technical issue has crept into his game that needs fixing. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 09, 2018, 03:09:46 pm
Finch needs to get over Watsonitis, more commonly known as "camping blindly on the front foot and missing with the bat" fever.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 09, 2018, 03:19:45 pm
It's a bad technique, that's for sure.  On a par with Sharna's overstepping the mark
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 09, 2018, 04:19:42 pm
Sorry,  but you're not up to it Aaron,  time to play an opener.

That said,  Harris' dismissal was soft,  pathetically soft as well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on December 09, 2018, 04:29:36 pm
Finch should have reviewed that decision.

Fox Sports are saying he did not hit the ball at all.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 09, 2018, 04:46:56 pm
Can't dine out on a good dig in the UAE forever Usman.  That was dog crap batting,  utter dog crap.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 09, 2018, 05:20:07 pm
It's a very ordinary top order, as brittle as it gets
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Macca37 on December 09, 2018, 05:52:37 pm
I have to stretch my mind back to the 1950s to come up with an Australian test side so mentally fragile and technique deficient when batting. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 09, 2018, 08:29:45 pm
The Yallop era had some horribly fragile sides.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 10, 2018, 11:40:28 am
The Yallop era had some horribly fragile sides.

yeah, even the worst batting lineups we had in the mid 80s had at least 1 elite batsman still (Border)...and a few guys who were the future of building the Australian batting lineup...Boon, Jones, Waugh.

This side has not one elite batsman....much akin to the side in 78/79......all be it that was a 2nd 11 side anyway.

The 50s lineups always had Neil Harvey as well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 10, 2018, 01:04:51 pm
Agreed Malo, not one top notch player to rally around,  just a fractured group who are solid at best, erratic at worst and they lack experience and belief.  I can't believe people regard,  for example, Khawaja as a lock,  gees he's erratic and inconsistent.

But there are kids pushing through: Renshaw, Pucovski,  Sangha, Pope, Carey... There's talent coming. Patience grasshopper.

What craps me no end is that yes, it's a solid Indian side,  playing on pitches suited to them,  getting the run of the green.  But some belief and one lousy partnership and we would have gone close to winning this, with an unimaginably weak side.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 10, 2018, 01:21:48 pm
Agreed Malo, not one top notch player to rally around,  just a fractured group who are solid at best, erratic at worst and they lack experience and belief.  I can't believe people regard,  for example, Khawaja as a lock,  gees he's erratic and inconsistent.

But there are kids pushing through: Renshaw, Pucovski,  Sangha, Pope, Carey... There's talent coming. Patience grasshopper.

What craps me no end is that yes, it's a solid Indian side,  playing on pitches suited to them,  getting the run of the green.  But some belief and one lousy partnership and we would have gone close to winning this, with an unimaginably weak side.

Marsh will lock himself in for the rest of the summer now.......but in getting out for 60 it just proves the point that he's not a top notch Test batsman.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 10, 2018, 01:28:37 pm
This Adelaide pitch has a recent history of being a runs bonanza on day 4 of Shield cricket, our test team is making it look like a minefield.

In the first innings our bowlers let India off the hook late, that is a fail, and now we are chasing more than we should have been and making it look like twice as much!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: northernblue on December 10, 2018, 02:45:31 pm
And in spite of everything, we are currently 7/226 ????
We could’ve capitulated and been all out before lunch, at least they are trying...
Small wins, probably a bit like our footy club.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 10, 2018, 02:47:16 pm
And in spite of everything, we are currently 7/226 ????
We could’ve capitulated and been all out before lunch, at least they are trying...
Small wins, probably a bit like our footy club.

We do have the batting depth to deliver a result, but even so it would be valid to question why the result needs tail-enders to deliver it!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: northernblue on December 10, 2018, 02:52:31 pm
There’s a reason 11 blokes take bats to the game...
Buggar, just lost Stark 8/228 ????????
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 10, 2018, 02:56:10 pm
There’s a reason 11 blokes take bats to the game...
Buggar, just lost Stark 8/228 ????????

No doubt, but there are reasons the top-end batsmen should not go out the way ours do!

Really this situation is a consequence of poor bowling and poor batting. In spite of our poor bowling late in the Indian 1st innings the media was all positive, but really India scored 50 more runs that they should have and that was very very bad.

I won't write about our top order batsmen 1st or 2nd innings, their dismissals are frequently self-explanatory.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: northernblue on December 10, 2018, 03:19:59 pm
No doubt, but there are reasons the top-end batsmen should not go out the way ours do!

Really this situation is a consequence of poor bowling and poor batting. In spite of our poor bowling late in the Indian 1st innings the media was all positive, but really India scored 50 more runs that they should have and that was very very bad.

I won't write about our top order batsmen 1st or 2nd innings, their dismissals are frequently self-explanatory.

No doubt.
Two things that have annoyed the crap out of me with the tv commentary:
1/ James Brayshaw
2/ the desperation of the commentators to talk up Australia’s chances
Cringeworthy
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 10, 2018, 03:21:20 pm
8/255.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 10, 2018, 03:22:55 pm
We do have the batting depth to deliver a result, but even so it would be valid to question why the result needs tail-enders to deliver it!

A few batsmen should be having a hard time looking in the mirror right now....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: northernblue on December 10, 2018, 03:25:12 pm
9/259 Cummins gone
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 10, 2018, 03:30:14 pm
A few batsmen should be having a hard time looking in the mirror right now....

Yes, we have a T20 mentality, this loss is a failure of stoicism!

Stop our top test cricketers playing the short form game, and order will be restored.

Do like India, pay them well enough that T20 is not a carrot!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 10, 2018, 03:31:10 pm
I reckon Carey will play next test,  Paine's finger is mush.
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Post by: northernblue on December 10, 2018, 04:00:48 pm
Just quietly guys, 9/279
40 to win
Lyon 36/44 balls
Hazlewood 7/29
Dare to dream !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 10, 2018, 04:02:35 pm
We never win close ones.   Pleased they had a decent go.  Lesson is,  bat time,  runs will come.   Every time we forced the issue we got out.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: northernblue on December 10, 2018, 04:10:39 pm
We never win close ones.   Pleased they had a decent go.  Lesson is,  bat time,  runs will come.   Every time we forced the issue we got out.

Happy now mate ?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 10, 2018, 05:56:43 pm
The tail papered over the very large cracks in the top order, we need some players who not only can, but want to, bat time. I just can't see who they are at the moment. Warne suggested bringing in Stoinis for Handscomb, I just can't see it, Stoinis is a hitter, not a stayer, and we need a stayer (see Pujara)
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 10, 2018, 06:04:15 pm
Geee that last catch looked very, very iffy to my eye......
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 10, 2018, 06:41:52 pm
I'm a zillion miles from happy  but considering how few contributors we had I'm surprised we got this close
  I reckon India are a bit suspect as well.  Two batting collapses and coughed up close to 300 to a side that was beaten two days ago.   If they're #1 we aren't light years off it.  Need to learn from our obvious mistakes.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 10, 2018, 06:51:42 pm
I'm a zillion miles from happy  but considering how few contributors we had I'm surprised we got this close
  I reckon India are a bit suspect as well.  Two batting collapses and coughed up close to 300 to a side that was beaten two days ago.   If they're #1 we aren't light years off it.  Need to learn from our obvious mistakes.

You weren't all that far off Prof :)
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Post by: Professer E on December 10, 2018, 06:57:45 pm
BTW,  I'm with Fly,  that last "catch" was grassed.   Indians wouldn't want to birch about umpiring etc,  they had a good run.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gointocarlton on December 10, 2018, 07:56:48 pm
Bowlers gotta bowl out the other mob and make the runs.  >:( >:( This current crop of batsmen should hang their heads in shame. In the good old days, Langer, Haydos and Punter would have made those runs on their ear while the bowlers would have been doing recovery sessions in readiness for the next test.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 10, 2018, 08:01:20 pm
Yep, even last year we would have flogged this mob  but it's up to the group we have to get better.   Can't rely on a Border,  Steve Waugh,  Clarke or Smith to cover up for the ineptitude of the collective.  Take responsibility, get better.

As Kerry said to Ritch (paraphrasing billy Birmingham)... "don't get bitter,  get better".
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 10, 2018, 09:17:31 pm
Paine's injury probably saves Finch, in my opinion only Finch or Handscomb can captain.

I heard someone on the radio suggest Marsh should captain, and to also bring in the other Marsh as a bowler. I realise it's Perth but what the feck are they thinking?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 11, 2018, 08:14:17 am
Paine's injury probably saves Finch, in my opinion only Finch or Handscomb can captain.

I heard someone on the radio suggest Marsh should captain, and to also bring in the other Marsh as a bowler. I realise it's Perth but what the feck are they thinking?

Paine will be playing.....that finger of his must look like pulp...but he'll play.  Still haven't forgiven Dirk Nannes for that....... in an effing exhibition game.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 11, 2018, 10:03:44 am
Paine will be playing.....that finger of his must look like pulp...but he'll play.  Still haven't forgiven Dirk Nannes for that....... in an effing exhibition game.

I'm thinking about Nick Maddinson today, similar circumstances in that a result in a four day game was already way out of WA's reach.

If Paine can't keep he can't play, I can't see us going with Paine as a batsmen and picking Carey simply because Paine would be a hand injured batsmen on the countries fastest bouncing wicket.
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Post by: Professer E on December 11, 2018, 12:04:08 pm
I like Paine,  solid cricketer but if his hand is no good,  Carey plays.

As for captain,  no idea.  None of the bats deserve it,  they've got enough crap to deal with.   Maybe Lyon, as senior player and established senior player,  fields close enough to bowlers to speak to them.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 11, 2018, 12:49:34 pm
I like Paine,  solid cricketer but if his hand is no good,  Carey plays.

As for captain,  no idea.  None of the bats deserve it,  they've got enough crap to deal with.   Maybe Lyon, as senior player and established senior player,  fields close enough to bowlers to speak to them.

I prefer Carey as a batsman as I have said before , has that DeKock ability to win change and win games...as you say Paine is solid cricketer but I dont see opposition teams putting too much time into him as a batsman. I know you should pick keepers on keeping ability first but given our batting lineup is rubbish we need the extra batting depth IMO.

Lyon as captain isnt such a bad idea given the choices, at least he perform most games with the ball and shows some fight with the bat...........I'd be looking at Starc's position too...maybe gets one more game to perform.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 11, 2018, 02:15:29 pm
Hasn't Warnie called out Starc before as being "soft"?  I trust recent criticism gives him the jag he appears to need. Love him to take a bag in Perth and silence the knockers but he looks to be labouring.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 11, 2018, 02:26:57 pm
Hasn't Warnie called out Starc before as being "soft"?  I trust recent criticism gives him the jag he appears to need. Love him to take a bag in Perth and silence the knockers but he looks to be labouring.

Rightly so, because at times Starc bowls like a wicket keeper.

You'd thing as a former keeper Starc would offer the bloke behind the stumps a little more respect!

On a different issue, I think fans might find Lyon getting a holiday for Perth, 1st Class reports are suggesting the new pitch is rock hard and slippery smooth with little or no spin. The test version of an ODI wicket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 11, 2018, 05:57:23 pm
Rightly so, because at times Starc bowls like a wicket keeper.

You'd thing as a former keeper Starc would offer the bloke behind the stumps a little more respect!

On a different issue, I think fans might find Lyon getting a holiday for Perth, 1st Class reports are suggesting the new pitch is rock hard and slippery smooth with little or no spin. The test version of an ODI wicket.

Playing without a spinner is a dangerous ploy IMO, our quicks are good but nothing like the great Windies attacks for example who could play four and get away with it.
Lyon would be one of my first picked, I'd expect Kholi to enjoy Perth and would want the variety Lyon adds.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 11, 2018, 06:35:23 pm
Watching footage of the boys training,  Starc was holding an old bat with big square notches cut in both edges and the corner of the toe.   I'm seen a lot of cricket training drills but this is not a training aid I'm familiar with.  Anybody have an idea what that one is about?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on December 12, 2018, 12:31:43 am
BTW,  I'm with Fly,  that last "catch" was grassed.   Indians wouldn't want to birch about umpiring etc,  they had a good run.


Said the same thing to Lady Lucifer after CH7 showed the catch from a different camera angle, that catch was very suss.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on December 12, 2018, 12:34:08 am
Watching footage of the boys training,  Starc was holding an old bat with big square notches cut in both edges and the corner of the toe.   I'm seen a lot of cricket training drills but this is not a training aid I'm familiar with.  Anybody have an idea what that one is about?


Sounds like something my father made, it looks more like a paddle than a cricket bat.

If it is, the idea is to use it in the nets to help you hit the ball in the middle of the bat as there is less middle to work with, when you have a full width bat, it makes it seem very easy.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 12, 2018, 08:05:59 am
Thanks,  i can see the merit in that approach.

Personally,  i couldn't middle it with a 12" pizza board.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 12, 2018, 12:24:18 pm

Sounds like something my father made, it looks more like a paddle than a cricket bat.

If it is, the idea is to use it in the nets to help you hit the ball in the middle of the bat as there is less middle to work with, when you have a full width bat, it makes it seem very easy.

Seems like a  more refined method of the stump/golf ball routine that Bradman used......think there was footage of ex Aus player Joe Burns using the stump/golf ball to train with too....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on December 12, 2018, 12:57:17 pm
Thanks,  i can see the merit in that approach.

Personally,  i couldn't middle it with a 12" pizza board.

I could edge to the keeper for Australia.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 12, 2018, 01:01:03 pm
Years ago my brother coached junior cricket had some odd bats in his kit a bit like this, but one like ProfE described had triangles cut down the edges to be used for slips practice to make the ball spin and act less unpredictably.

For batting he had bats with long tapered shoulders, tapered toes, short bats, thin bats, all designed to get kids thinking about using the whole bat and where to place their hands.

He had one very good coaching technique that helped kids heaps with defense. He'd get them in the net and bowl to them and have them catch the ball with no bat at all. He was making the point that if you had to stand there and catch the ball you would never not get a hand on it. His point was to get the kids thinking about the best way to defend and using the splice for many defensive shots by getting their hands close to the ball. I was watching Kohli at the weekend and he bats very much in that manner, low hands quick wrist movement.

Back on the cricket, Langer has been in the media stating no changes for Perth. I'm not sure if this is good to hear him backing them in, or back to the bad old days of a welded on line up.
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Post by: Professer E on December 12, 2018, 01:56:36 pm
Can't see Finch,  being predominantly a front foot player, opening in Perth.

I prefer the term "rusted on" LP,  "welded on" has an air of permanency, unlike our batting.
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Post by: LP on December 12, 2018, 02:03:02 pm
I prefer the term "rusted on" LP,  "welded on" has an air of permanency, unlike our batting.

I get your point.
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Post by: crashlander on December 13, 2018, 09:43:07 am
Can't see Finch,  being predominantly a front foot player, opening in Perth.

I prefer the term "rusted on" LP,  "welded on" has an air of permanency, unlike our batting.
Finch has been playing in the middle order for Victoria. That is where he should be at this point in his career.
Khawaja looked to be totally out of form in the last test: no big surprise considering the lack of cricket he has had lately. But he has done his best work opening.
Harris probably deserves another try, but I'd like to see some more shots.
I wouldn't have picked Marsh, but that is another tale. He hit his best 4th innings score in the last game, so he saved himself for a little while longer.
Handscomb also needs to play a few more shots. He gets out when he is bogged down.

Starc: well, Warnie is probably right, their is a softness to Starc's game that come out every so often. I think it is probably his personality. While he is there we'll probably have to live with that. But I hope he can bowl better than he has been doing; he has the talent.

I'd like to see Carey in, to be honest. I think he is the future. Paine's batting has always promised a lot, but has delivered very little. He may have a lot of batting talent, but he has never produced on the big stage.
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Post by: sandsmere on December 13, 2018, 10:03:55 am
Agree, Finch is not an opener.

Joe Burns is a bit erratic I know, but he is an established opener and can make runs.
Should be in the side.

Damn good close in fieldsman too.

Finch, Harris, Handscomb must all perform in
Perth.
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Post by: LP on December 13, 2018, 10:18:48 am
Finch has been playing in the middle order for Victoria. That is where he should be at this point in his career.
Khawaja looked to be totally out of form in the last test: no big surprise considering the lack of cricket he has had lately. But he has done his best work opening.
Harris probably deserves another try, but I'd like to see some more shots.
I wouldn't have picked Marsh, but that is another tale. He hit his best 4th innings score in the last game, so he saved himself for a little while longer.
Handscomb also needs to play a few more shots. He gets out when he is bogged down.

Look at the coaching names Crashlander, Langer and Hick, while on average they have reasonable figures, reliable grinders would be a good description of their typical game style.

It's still beyond me how guys get to test or 1st class level and have so many quirky traits and defects in their batting. You can't slag off their ability, but the coaches have a lot to answer for in my opinion, they are greatly over-rated.
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Post by: Jack Burton on December 13, 2018, 04:55:36 pm
Heard Warne talking about this today, and I thought he made some good points. Once guys get to Test level you can't change their technique, very minor cosmetic changes only. It's all above the shoulders at that level. He was concerned about what is happening at academy level, with the teenagers and how they are being coached. Noted that when he went to the academy there was Ian and Greg Chappell doing the batting coaching, Rod Marsh for keeping, and Dennis Lillee for the fast bowlers. I'm not sure who is there now, but I doubt we have that type of quality
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 13, 2018, 06:00:13 pm
Heard Warne talking about this today, and I thought he made some good points. Once guys get to Test level you can't change their technique, very minor cosmetic changes only. It's all above the shoulders at that level. He was concerned about what is happening at academy level, with the teenagers and how they are being coached. Noted that when he went to the academy there was Ian and Greg Chappell doing the batting coaching, Rod Marsh for keeping, and Dennis Lillee for the fast bowlers. I'm not sure who is there now, but I doubt we have that type of quality

Jack...Ricky Ponting said the same thing on SEN, Rod Marsh ran the academy and got all old stars like the Chappell's, DK to give their time......they were all well schooled cricketers who had been taught out of the text book and as he said dominated Shield cricket, he pointed out that we now pick blokes who average 35 in Shield Cricket but back in the day you had a player like Jamie Siddons who couldnt get a game yet averaged 50 in Shield cricket. He said he cant believe some of the batting he is seeing but suggested the academy needs to pay good ex players more money to attract them to academy positions...
Its like Football...usually if you are rubbish off the field you will be the same on the field and we need to lift the coaching back to the elite level.
Shield cricket was the toughest domestic comp in the world, probably followed by the Currie Cup in South Africa.......now we dont seem to have the same interest or kids wanting to aspire to be Shield cricketers.
Much easier to be a cross bat slogger at T20 level and make more money or a medium pacer like Andrew Tye who bowls a different delivery every ball and get paid a mill in the IPL but is nowhere near test standard...why bother knocking yourself out learning the finer points of test cricket?
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Post by: Jack Burton on December 13, 2018, 06:17:14 pm
Agree 100% EB, yet i still regularly hear cricketers, including those cross bat sloggers making millions in the IPL, say that Test cricket to them is still the ultimate. Unfortunately I don't think this will be the case in 10 years time, and then Australian cricket will be in genuine crisis (if it isn't now)
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Post by: LP on December 13, 2018, 09:36:10 pm
Warne's on the money about Starc as well, I know it's uncomfortable news for some to hear but it's a very accurate assessment.

In test cricket you can't go missing for a session, and Starc too often lets the momentum slip by giving all the hard earned gains back.
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Post by: JonHenry on December 14, 2018, 08:46:38 am
Heard Warne talking about this today, and I thought he made some good points. Once guys get to Test level you can't change their technique, very minor cosmetic changes only. It's all above the shoulders at that level. He was concerned about what is happening at academy level, with the teenagers and how they are being coached. Noted that when he went to the academy there was Ian and Greg Chappell doing the batting coaching, Rod Marsh for keeping, and Dennis Lillee for the fast bowlers. I'm not sure who is there now, but I doubt we have that type of quality

It's been obvious for some time that the "Centre of Excellence" has lost it's way.
As Marsh said, they moved it to Brisbane for better weather and then spent $25m building an indoor stadium.

Far too many cricketers there, trying to justify the number of coaches employed, training for the wrong types of cricket.

I would move the "Cricket Academy" to wherever Ricky Ponting wants to run it from.
Pay him what he wants and give him a budget to bring in the best of the best.

Reduce Big Bash back to what it was, and promote shield cricket for the first time in how many decades?
Big Bash should not coincide with any test fixtures.

A shield player that plays all games should be paid more than the average AFL player, after all there are only 80 odd players.
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Post by: Bear on December 14, 2018, 08:47:26 am
To be fair, the time Ponting is referring to is an absolute golden generation of talent.

The Grade Cricketer has a running joke that most commentary from those guys (eg. Waugh & Warne, not Punter who I think is an excellent commentator) boils down to “why don’t they just go out and dominate... like us?”

Cricket is a lot different to the 80’s & 90’s... a lot more cricket is played in India... spin bowling is far more prevalent... we have to adapt to 20/20... i’d hope we are adjusting to the new reality. Evidence suggests we aren’t.



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Post by: JonHenry on December 14, 2018, 08:51:06 am
To be fair, the time Ponting is referring to is an absolute golden generation of talent.

The Grade Cricketer has a running joke that most commentary from those guys (eg. Waugh & Warne, not Punter who I think is an excellent commentator) boils down to “why don’t they just go out and dominate... like us?”

Cricket is a lot different to the 80’s & 90’s... a lot more cricket is played in India... spin bowling is far more prevalent... we have to adapt to 20/20... i’d hope we are adjusting to the new reality. Evidence suggests we aren’t.

Why do we have to adapt to 20/20?
The Australian cricket team is not judged on its results in 20/20.
What the players do in the Big Bash or IPL is of little consequence.
Maybe the golden era was a result of preparing the players, for the first time in Australian Cricket history, in the right way?
Then we stopped it....
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Post by: LP on December 14, 2018, 09:40:45 am
... we have to adapt to 20/20... i’d hope we are adjusting to the new reality. Evidence suggests we aren’t.

Is it reality Bear, or is it artificial?

The BCCI pay their test cricketers well, the Indians don't have to commit to play T20 to make good money, so the Indian players get to use T20 like a bonus system. They get "overs" for a game here or there and usually when they are back home during a touring break.

For every other international cricketer the IPL interferes with test preparations, players have to FIFO often in very shorts gaps in between other international commitments. Is it an accident or is it a deliberate action by the BCCI to weaken the opposition and control cricket?

Right now you will find a barrage of published reports claiming India v Australia is crickets greatest rivalry. This is the BCCI muscling in on the ICC and Lords by undermining it's authority over the remote outposts. They are spinning that India v Australia is bigger than an Ashes!

The BCCI knows that the ACB needs money, and they have plenty of it so they don't need to be too secretive or political! The BCCI can just bludgeon it's way across the cricket landscape. Maybe the interesting thing is the Saffies, they have lingering politics that seems to make them want to resist, it's not all about money but equality. Their countries history also provides them with the tools and knowledge to deal with this situation.

On the Saffies, the word I have is that they are heavily supporting Perth's bid to get hold of the Boxing Day test. They see Perth hosting an Australia v Saffies Boxing Day test in two or three years is the first step to exclusively hosting a Boxing Day test in South Africa.

People don't realise how much money an event like the Boxing Day test is worth. I've heard an estimate that for Victoria a Boxing Day against a team like India or England will bring 10000 people to town for about a week spending "on average" $10K in that week, that's $100M. The "on average" part is important because of the wide range of budgets that people will spend in that period. For some tests the MCC have reported that as high as 1 in 7 has been a interstate or international visitor, that's almost 15000 people. Even if they don't go to the match everyday, they are in town for it's duration.

Even higher numbers come into play for the week of F1, and Cup week, no wonder NSW want to stage competitive races.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 14, 2018, 09:50:43 am
BCCI has controlled international cricket for well over a decade.

They don't need to 'muscle in' - they've got the game exactly where they want it.....

CA isn't exactly short of a quid either - albeit they had too many fat cats on their books - Sutherland and Howard was at the the head of the list for way too many a year.....
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Post by: LP on December 14, 2018, 09:52:15 am
BCCI has controlled international cricket for well over a decade.

They don't need to 'muscle in' - they've got the game exactly where they want it.....

CA isn't exactly short of a quid either - albeit they had too many fat cats on their books - Sutherland and Howard was at the the head of the list for way too many a year.....

Yes, money talks Flyboy77, it's a sad reality!
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Post by: Professer E on December 14, 2018, 09:53:53 am
Half of South Africa seems to live in Perth.  Work with more than a few of them,  not impressed by their entitled attitudes. They want a lot but life is about give and take. So quite frankly,  keep your grubby mitts from our cricket and concentrate on the issues n your own backyard.

I'm a bit peeved that Perth thinks that they deserve events just because they built a new stadium.   The first day of the Boxing Day test pays for most summer test series,  can't see it being moved in a hurry.  Crowd numbers in recent Perth tests have been poor,  another factor that hasn't been mentioned.
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Post by: LP on December 14, 2018, 09:58:33 am
Why do we have to adapt to 20/20?
The Australian cricket team is not judged on its results in 20/20.
What the players do in the Big Bash or IPL is of little consequence.
Maybe the golden era was a result of preparing the players, for the first time in Australian Cricket history, in the right way?
Then we stopped it....

Very good points JH, T20 is not about cricket at all it just a form of theater.

If you focus on T20 you're closer to being a Roman Gladiator than a General in the army, you'll live and die by the sword to cheers from the crowd!

Being "The Big Thing" in T20 is always going to be about the "Next Big Thing", when you done with T20, and you are not the "Next Big Thing", you are dust!

Have you ever heard the farmers fable of The New Cow?
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Post by: Bear on December 14, 2018, 10:27:37 am
Why do we have to adapt to 20/20?
The Australian cricket team is not judged on its results in 20/20.
What the players do in the Big Bash or IPL is of little consequence.
Maybe the golden era was a result of preparing the players, for the first time in Australian Cricket history, in the right way?
Then we stopped it....

20/20 isn’t going away Jonny.

Probably more for the players to adapt to playing the different forms.

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Post by: LP on December 14, 2018, 11:34:54 am
On a separate issue. related to the test.

Is the current curator of the new Perth stadium the guy who got the lemon-sars from the MCG for forking up the pitches?
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Post by: JonHenry on December 14, 2018, 01:37:44 pm
20/20 isn’t going away Jonny.

Probably more for the players to adapt to playing the different forms.

I couldn't agree more, but there is no value in training Australian players to play that format.
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Post by: LP on December 14, 2018, 04:12:25 pm
Day 1 Perth on a green top, and the ball is running along the deck at ankle height off the Indian fast bowlers!
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Post by: Professer E on December 14, 2018, 05:47:25 pm
Then the ball spits at Harris from a good length.

Absolute crap from Khawaja again, dunno why he is so highly rated.  One good bash in the UAE and nothing but flat-footed crap since.

3 for 130 and squandered a good start. 
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Post by: Bear on December 14, 2018, 06:02:03 pm
Had $5 on Harris to make a ton... probably jinxed him. Sorry.
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Post by: Professer E on December 14, 2018, 06:07:24 pm
No,  i turned on the telly.   Should have known better.
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Post by: Professer E on December 14, 2018, 06:57:40 pm
Don't understand why Handscombe keeps trying to run the ball in the air down to third man, keeps holing out to it.   I fear that Handscombe is shy of the required ability at this level
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Post by: capcom on December 14, 2018, 07:05:12 pm
Khawaja .... totally over him.  How many chances does he get and he's still useless.
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Post by: Professer E on December 14, 2018, 07:07:09 pm
Agreed... Talked up and talked up,  yet involved in every collapse.   Looks great,  delivers F all.
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Post by: crashlander on December 15, 2018, 11:46:36 am
Khawaja .... totally over him.  How many chances does he get and he's still useless.
He shouldn't have played. He isn't that bad, but after his injury he needed to find form. He hasn't. He needs badly to regain his touch with Shield performances, not pottering around like an old chook in test matches.
There is a place for him when he is fit: our team is not strong enough to ignore him. But he needed time to prepare. He didn't get it.

Who do we bring in? Good question, but not Mitch Marsh. The others have done something: one or two have even looked reasonable at times. But we can't get away playing half fit players with our team as it is.
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Post by: Professer E on December 15, 2018, 01:17:39 pm
Yep,  hard to find form at test level. Injury occurred at a most inopportune time.
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Post by: capcom on December 15, 2018, 05:33:21 pm
FFS Marsh ... you're too far back !!
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Post by: Professer E on December 16, 2018, 06:59:50 pm
Not far enough.   Should be in the grandstand,  deadset screwing useless. At least he's consistent.... Consistently disappointing.
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Post by: Professer E on December 16, 2018, 07:27:40 pm
And thankfully we won't have to watch Handscombes cringe worthy "technique" in Melbourne.   Seriously,  how does he expect to make runs at first class level going back to pitched up deliveries !?!
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Post by: JonHenry on December 16, 2018, 08:02:29 pm
Khawaja .... totally over him.  How many chances does he get and he's still useless.

Look at his record compared to his team mates.
Pretty simple
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Post by: Professer E on December 16, 2018, 08:11:52 pm
Can understand this,  but it's all relative isn't it?   Compared to the current bunch he's Alan Border.   But overall his record is one of a very inconsistent player.   I pray he makes plenty this dig,  but I'm being hopeful not expectant. Like the others,  you feel he can get out any ball,  he never looks "in".
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Post by: crashlander on December 16, 2018, 08:59:00 pm
Our batsmen are certainly our Achilles' Heel at the moment. Very ordinary.
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Post by: Professer E on December 16, 2018, 09:49:33 pm
I like Travis.   Basic technique, no frills... But slashing two catches to third man in the one match... Really?  

Shot selection has been putrid, again,  and I'm looking at you Mr Hick.   Do your pucking job or puck off, because whatever message youre pushing isn't getting through to these Muppets.
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Post by: JonHenry on December 16, 2018, 09:58:27 pm
I like Travis.   Basic technique, no frills... But slashing two catches to third man in the one match... Really?  

Shot selection has been putrid, again,  and I'm looking at you Mr Hick.   Do your pucking job or puck off, because whatever message youre pushing isn't getting through to these Muppets.

Nothing to do with Hick.
These blokes have been born and bred on garbage cricket.
Change the academy or centre of excellence and change the style of cricketer that emerges from it
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Post by: Professer E on December 16, 2018, 10:13:29 pm
Well,  he's the batting coach isn't he?   What does he do all day,  cut oranges and chalk the crease lines?  

I agree with you on the academy,  it's a joke.   We don't have the right people in charge and their message is failing. It's not producing test batsmen,  in technique nor temperament.

The mindset of our batsmen is rancid,  they're playing stupid cricket.  What pains me more is that if we ditch these blokes,  there are no obvious replacements.   Nobody seems prepared to bat themselves in,  they all seem to have a manic desire to play preconceived shots after a run of dot balls.  

The soft nature of these dismissals....  Shakes head in disbelief.
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Post by: LP on December 16, 2018, 10:19:42 pm
Our batsmen are certainly our Achilles' Heel at the moment. Very ordinary.

I think it's both batting and bowling, our players and coaches are making excuses for poor to average bowling on a deadly pitch. India get hold of a pill and it again magically looks unplayable.

Bad batting certainly yes, good bowling no way in hell!

Nothing to do with Hick.
These blokes have been born and bred on garbage cricket.
Change the academy or centre of excellence and change the style of cricketer that emerges from it

Yep, this is the long term price the national team will pay because the ACB's emphasis on T20 and ODI. If the ACB keep bending over for the BCCI and it will continue indefinitely.

Keep in mind, most of the Indian's are trained and coached by premium former test playing Australians at the MRF Academies, while the ACB hires a bunch of B-Graders.
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Post by: malo on December 17, 2018, 01:34:37 pm
BTW...as an ex-fast bowler & someone has loved the art of quick bowling for decades.......I have no idea how Bumrah bowls 147 ks.  It just shouldn't be possible with that runup & action.
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Post by: LP on December 17, 2018, 01:48:37 pm
BTW...as an ex-fast bowler & someone has loved the art of quick bowling for decades.......I have no idea how Bumrah bowls 147 ks.  It just shouldn't be possible with that runup & action.

It's the new rules Malo, in slow motion he looks like a half throw, but now that is allowed in the rules.

Bumrah is more of a pitcher than a bowler.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 17, 2018, 02:03:45 pm
It's the new rules Malo, in slow motion he looks like a half throw, but now that is allowed in the rules.

Bumrah is more of a pitcher than a bowler.

what are the new rules?
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Post by: LP on December 17, 2018, 02:39:26 pm
what are the new rules?

The Muttiah Muralitharan rules, changed to allow up to 15° elbow bend.

This pitch is looking better and better, Australia need at least 300+ lead to secure a win.

If Australia declare at 250 ahead they could well lose!
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Post by: JonHenry on December 17, 2018, 03:33:25 pm
Usman has played a great innings here in tough conditions.
Paine has been rock solid since taking over this mob.
Considering the line up, he has done a great job
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Post by: Professer E on December 17, 2018, 09:18:12 pm
Paine makes a lot of scores between 30 and 40, typically under a lot of pressure.   Be nice to see him go on one day and post a really big score for his self belief.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 17, 2018, 09:32:54 pm
Sharma next drop - a worse bat than Glen McGrath....

Should be easy to win from here....
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 17, 2018, 09:56:57 pm
Sharma next drop - a worse bat than Glen McGrath....

Should be easy to win from here....
 

Lock it in...India will be back in the sheds by lunch time tomorrow, very long tail of batting duds....
Cant believe they didnt play Ravindra Jadeja...handy lower order bat , real crafty left arm spinner and one of the premier fielders in the world.....
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Post by: spf on December 17, 2018, 11:01:31 pm
I think it will be flat tomorrow morning, but up to lunch, and just after, it will be action stations for the Australian bowlers.

How good is Nathan Lyon? A very good player now.
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Post by: northernblue on December 18, 2018, 12:15:57 am
Lyons been outstanding for a couple of years now, I never woulda thunk it...
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 18, 2018, 06:40:06 am
I think it will be flat tomorrow morning, but up to lunch, and just after, it will be action stations for the Australian bowlers.

How good is Nathan Lyon? A very good player now.

If the Aussies get an early breakthrough, it will be done within the hour.
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Post by: LP on December 18, 2018, 07:56:03 am
I think it will be flat tomorrow morning, but up to lunch, and just after, it will be action stations for the Australian bowlers.

How good is Nathan Lyon? A very good player now.

The trick might be to use Lyon early, rolling does seem to settle the pitch down in the morning sessions, maybe it's a bit spongy.

If the Aussies get an early breakthrough, it will be done within the hour.

Yes, I feel Australia do not even need to attack, if they restrict runs it's the sort of pitch that gets you out eventually. Just keeping the pill on line and not wasting deliveries would be a huge help. I thought our pace trio struggled again yesterday, two or three wickets came from batsmen error playing well away from their body. That's the pitch not the bowling.

The Indian bowlers have showed our lot up, they got the length better, not so many chest high deliveries and more waist / hip high. That took great advantage of the wide pitch variation.

I wonder if India will play such a long tail in Melbourne!
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Post by: malo on December 18, 2018, 08:14:21 am
Paine to Vijay:  "I know he's your captain, but you can't really like him as a person"

 ;D !
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Post by: DJC on December 18, 2018, 08:21:12 am
Lyons been outstanding for a couple of years now, I never woulda thunk it...


It was interesting hearing Mitchell Johnston talking about Lyon.  He said that Lyon has always been a very good bowler but the difference is that he is now confident of his own ability.

I believe that he has now taken more wickets this calendar year than any other bowler   :o
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Post by: deags on December 18, 2018, 08:57:27 am
Paine to Vijay:  "I know he's your captain, but you can't really like him as a person"

 ;D !

If Kohli was from any other country, there would be outrage about his behaviour on the field. Because he is from the country that controls world cricket, he is seen as a superhero. His behaviour is every bit as pathetic as Warner's.
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Post by: LP on December 18, 2018, 09:35:46 am
If Kohli was from any other country, there would be outrage about his behaviour on the field. Because he is from the country that controls world cricket, he is seen as a superhero. His behaviour is every bit as pathetic as Warner's.

Or is it because western journalists will be labeled as racists if they comment!
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Post by: spf on December 18, 2018, 10:59:56 am
I think the answer is BOTH reasons.
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Post by: deags on December 18, 2018, 11:07:58 am
I think the answer is BOTH reasons.

Yep, likely both.
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Post by: LP on December 18, 2018, 11:12:17 am
Isn't fear of speaking up a sign of bullying?
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Post by: DJC on December 18, 2018, 11:35:34 am
If Kohli was from any other country, there would be outrage about his behaviour on the field. Because he is from the country that controls world cricket, he is seen as a superhero. His behaviour is every bit as pathetic as Warner's.

He seems to be copping a fair serve from the commentators I'm listening too.  Even Catherine Murphy had a crack at him on the wireless this morning.
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Post by: LP on December 18, 2018, 11:43:10 am
He seems to be copping a fair serve from the commentators I'm listening too.  Even Catherine Murphy had a crack at him on the wireless this morning.

I think the bulk of the critical commentary is coming from non-traditional / non-traveling sources.

The past player commentators and full time traveling cricket commentators are suspiciously quiet, they know the BCCI butters their bread, and they try hard to avoid getting death threats when they visit the sub-continent.
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Post by: JonHenry on December 18, 2018, 01:28:33 pm
I think the bulk of the critical commentary is coming from non-traditional / non-traveling sources.

The past player commentators and full time traveling cricket commentators are suspiciously quiet, they know the BCCI butters their bread, and they try hard to avoid getting death threats when they visit the sub-continent.

Michael Vaugh said he is good for the game but Australian cricketers step over the line.
 :o
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Post by: LP on December 18, 2018, 01:37:35 pm
Michael Vaugh said he is good for the game but Australian cricketers step over the line.
 :o

Well, that sort of says it all doesn't it!

Back on the game, our attack looks pretty limp, we might have to wait until after lunch for something to happen.

PS: Glad I jinxed myself! :o
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Post by: northernblue on December 18, 2018, 02:19:23 pm


It was interesting hearing Mitchell Johnston talking about Lyon.  He said that Lyon has always been a very good bowler but the difference is that he is now confident of his own ability.

That is what separates the players from the greats.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 18, 2018, 02:24:16 pm
9 for 140.
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Post by: malo on December 18, 2018, 02:25:32 pm
Shami & Bumera in.....there should be a little finger music before they dismiss the last one ....

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 18, 2018, 02:25:56 pm
Never mind....
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 18, 2018, 02:26:35 pm
it's over. all out 140.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 18, 2018, 02:33:32 pm
Well a message to Australia's test cricketers.

Learn to curse in front of pitch microphones in Hindi, and no matter how disgusting the things that you say may be, you will be free from any media repercussions.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 18, 2018, 05:45:15 pm
Well a message to Australia's test cricketers.

Learn to curse in front of pitch microphones in Hindi, and no matter how disgusting the things that you say may be, you it will be free from any media repercussions.
Maybe Russian or Arabic. Those are supposedly very good to swear in. Russian has a whole subset language called 'mat' that consists of rude words. Very effective and extremely common in certain parts of Russian society.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 18, 2018, 06:45:20 pm
I believe in being magnaminous in victory and gracious in defeat.  But not this time. 

F you Kohli, you started all the crap,  you couldn't back the talk up and you came second.  You might think you're the best cricketer on the planet but that "stand in skipper" schooled your mob.
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Post by: Professer E on December 18, 2018, 06:53:50 pm
I don't understand why Vaughan thinks Kohli is good for the game but believes Aussie cricketers go over the line. Really?   Was he watching yesterday?  Does he write such biased crap just to get a rise,  like Gollum the poisonous gnome on SEN?
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Post by: capcom on December 18, 2018, 08:35:18 pm
I believe in being magnaminous in victory and gracious in defeat.  But not this time. 

F you Kohli, you started all the crap,  you couldn't back the talk up and you came second.  You might think you're the best cricketer on the planet but that "stand in skipper" schooled your mob.

I thought he was mentally beaten, assuming Australians would be sucked in and respond with a brain snap.  He lost that bet
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 18, 2018, 09:10:30 pm
I thought he was mentally beaten, assuming Australians would be sucked in and respond with a brain snap.  He lost that bet
,

Fair point on Kohli, he is a great batsman, ok captain tactically but about the worst sook/sore loser in cricket. His go to plan when all else has failed is go the man in this case Paine and try and get him engaged in all this on field BS. It's time umpires warn him for his
childish antics and give him a holiday to think about his on field behaviour. He is great for cricket with his flair and skill and brings people to the game but brings the game into disrepute nearly every game he plays and the establishment need to reign him in.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 19, 2018, 05:44:34 am
I don't understand why Vaughan thinks Kohli is good for the game but believes Aussie cricketers go over the line. Really?   Was he watching yesterday?  Does he write such biased crap just to get a rise,  like Gollum the poisonous gnome on SEN?

He's just making noise....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 19, 2018, 08:23:30 am
He's just making noise....

I suppose as a Pom he wants as many Indian or Australian careers destroyed as possible, so he stirs the pot!

Although, I'd heard that CheatsFC TV is trying very hard to create some Chappelli vs Greig type rivalries, so much so they have specifically hired someone to coach/direct the broadcast crew in the art of sledging each other! Like a sledging whisperer!

It's not really working, the Slater / Fleming banter came across as uncomfortable, uninteresting and unfunny, the falseness of it shines through! I almost turned off when they were in the commentary!

Is anything really genuine when it is connected to CheatsFC?

btw., It must hurt them when the star commentator is a Carlton man through and through, I suspect they'll give him the lemon-sars!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: madbluboy on December 19, 2018, 10:08:59 am
I believe in being magnaminous in victory and gracious in defeat.  But not this time. 

F you Kohli, you started all the crap,  you couldn't back the talk up and you came second.  You might think you're the best cricketer on the planet but that "stand in skipper" schooled your mob.

He is the best cricketer in the world and our guys carried on like pork chops for years and we thought it was great because we were smashing everyone.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on December 19, 2018, 10:20:12 am
,

Fair point on Kohli, he is a great batsman, ok captain tactically but about the worst sook/sore loser in cricket. His go to plan when all else has failed is go the man in this case Paine and try and get him engaged in all this on field BS. It's time umpires warn him for his
childish antics and give him a holiday to think about his on field behaviour. He is great for cricket with his flair and skill and brings people to the game but brings the game into disrepute nearly every game he plays and the establishment need to reign him in.

Agree with most of that - but don’t know if anything really crossed the line from either side in this test, I do think it has been blown up by the media.

He does carry on like a peanut at times... his reaction to getting out in the 1st innings was like when you cracked the sh1ts after a dodgy dismissal in the backyard. He could pull a WG Grace soon and just keep batting!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on December 19, 2018, 10:26:59 am
I think the chest puffed up and causing the collision (albeit very minor) with Paine is over the line. Leave that cr@p for the football field.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on December 19, 2018, 10:37:13 am
Yes - any contact is a big no no.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 19, 2018, 12:11:24 pm
I think the chest puffed up and causing the collision (albeit very minor) with Paine is over the line. Leave that cr@p for the football field.

The mistake was Paine should have collapsed in a heap, been stretchered off the ground, claimed racism, called for Kohli's head on a platter, sued the BCCI for compensation and indirectly incited Australian supporters to bomb the Indian tour bus by stating publicly something very inflammatory like, "I'm not responsible for how Australian supporters are going to react to this provocation of it's countries captain!"

Then it would be equivalent to an Indian reaction to an Australian player bumping one of them!

But you cannot have it both ways, soon all the emotion will be gone as a result of the media highlighting these behaviors, then the same media will complain the game as telecast is boring and lacking in real viewer interest. The perpetually suffer from a grass is greener syndrome.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 19, 2018, 12:22:09 pm
He is the best cricketer in the world and our guys carried on like pork chops for years and we thought it was great because we were smashing everyone.

He aint the best cricketer in the world.
Steve Smith might be suspended but still lives on planet earth
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 19, 2018, 06:04:30 pm
Re the contact, Kasogi Rabada is allowed to shoulder charge our batsmen after he gets them out. It's not just Kohli that gets away with whatever he wants
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 19, 2018, 07:44:16 pm
Where were the umpires when Kohli stepped into Paine's space... Grow a pair you weak pr1cks.

We Aussie's do it,  we're +-*,s,  when Kohli does it everybody looks the other way.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 19, 2018, 09:20:11 pm
Where were the umpires when Kohli stepped into Paine's space... Grow a pair you weak pr1cks.

We Aussie's do it,  we're +-*,s,  when Kohli does it everybody looks the other way.

Yep, there was no need for that and Kohli again just looking for a reaction to break the batsmans concentration...Paine did well to avoid and move away and
Kohli should have been warned for that action by the umpires who seem to want to avoid confronting Kohli about his poor behaviour.
Its a shame because he is a great batsman and will be remembered more for this childish stuff he goes on with.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 20, 2018, 12:04:14 am
If you ever need evidence that the BCCI use the IPL for political purposes to influence and control cricket check out the recent auction / bidding results. Aussie players have effectively been locked out.

Very racist behaviour from the Indians.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 20, 2018, 07:33:24 am
If you ever need evidence that the BCCI use the IPL for political purposes to influence and control cricket check out the recent auction / bidding results. Aussie players have effectively been locked out.

Very racist behaviour from the Indians.

You do realise that there are 9 Australian players ‘retained’ by IPL teams as well as some coaches.

Given that CA has required our World Cup squad to attend a training camp that clashes with the IPL and there is an overlap with the Sheffield Shield, the number of Aussies involved seems surprisingly high.
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Post by: deags on December 20, 2018, 07:53:12 am
Interestingly, I was listening to ABC RN this morning on my way to work. The sports guy was talking about a bit of backlash in India against Kohli's behaviour. Apparently one of the most high profile Bollywood actors has called him out.
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Post by: LP on December 20, 2018, 07:54:25 am
You do realise that there are 9 Australian players ‘retained’ by IPL teams as well as some coaches.

Given that CA has required our World Cup squad to attend a training camp that clashes with the IPL and there is an overlap with the Sheffield Shield, the number of Aussies involved seems surprisingly high.

That explains why two dozen of our best T20 cricketers didn't receive a bid, how many is in our WC squad again?

All sorts for excuses can be made for this, but the reality is Test and other International commitments have never stopped bids before because players only get paid if they actually play. These days guys could be in Mumbai playing IPL today and back for the domestic comp on the weekend.

Money talks!

And it's not just the IPL, T20 comps are becoming ubiquitous even privatised. Players can be in three different countries playing games in just a fortnight. Punter and Slater even joked about Ben Cutting's Frequent Flyer Pts on last nights Big Bash telecast! It puts pay to the idea they don't really make much money, with all the comps I heard players like Lynn made as much as $5M / $6M in a calender year, speculation was that his recent spate of injuries cost him more than $3M in lost earnings. Why would they play for Australia, the only country that can match these T20 wages for it's Test cricketers is India!

Put it this way, 3 years ago Lynn could have earned 1200% less by being Australia's Test Captain!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 20, 2018, 08:48:10 am
Interestingly, I was listening to ABC RN this morning on my way to work. The sports guy was talking about a bit of backlash in India against Kohli's behaviour. Apparently one of the most high profile Bollywood actors has called him out.

Yes, Naseeruddin Shah has had a crack:

Quote
“Virat K is not only the world’s best batsman but also the world’s worst behaved player,” he wrote on his Facebook page.

“His cricketing brilliance pales beside his arrogance and bad manners... And I have no intention of leaving the country by the way.”
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 20, 2018, 09:20:12 am
That explains why two dozen of our best T20 cricketers didn't receive a bid, how many is in our WC squad again?

All sorts for excuses can be made for this, but the reality is Test and other International commitments have never stopped bids before because players only get paid if they actually play. These days guys could be in Mumbai playing IPL today and back for the domestic comp on the weekend.

At this stage, about 75% of the foreign player allowance has been used:

11 Aussies
9 Kiwis
8 Saffies
7 Windies
5 Poms
3 Afghanis
1 Bangladeshi
1 Nepali

And no Sri Lankans - definitely something dodgy there  ;)



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Post by: Professer E on December 20, 2018, 11:00:01 am
Shah has a big pair.... Kudos for telling it how it is.
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Post by: laj on December 20, 2018, 11:09:17 am
Reckon they're top 6 have been better, they may have bowled better but the main difference, interestingly, has been tailend batting. Ours bat to no.11 while their last few go out for bugger all. Our 8-11 must've made 150 runs more this series, alot in lower scoring games.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on December 20, 2018, 12:34:19 pm
I think if Ashwin plays, given the pitches are going to be flatter in the next 2 tests, we might find it tough... but there isn’t a lot between the two teams in our conditions.




Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 20, 2018, 12:36:24 pm
Reckon they're top 6 have been better, they may have bowled better but the main difference, interestingly, has been tailend batting. Ours bat to no.11 while their last few go out for bugger all. Our 8-11 must've made 150 runs more this series, alot in lower scoring games.

Yet from perilous circumstances India have made around 250 twice, when they should have really struggled to make 200.

I think if we had delivered three sessions of good bowling we would have won Adelaide as well, am I being unfair?
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Post by: Professer E on December 20, 2018, 12:58:24 pm
Their openers have been crap as well.   Overall the Indian batting has been almost as inconsistent as ours,  just a few guys have gone on.   Haven't been impressed by 6-8 (Pant  or the previous no.  6), none have batted according to the match situation.

Indian bowling has been most impressive,  got lengths wrong, like most sides in Perth.   Sharma is a pest of a bowler,  bowls a load of tripe at times but ends up with wickets.   Bumrah looks like he'll take a lot of getting used to,  they're not picking him up.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 20, 2018, 02:15:45 pm
Yet from perilous circumstances India have made around 250 twice, when they should have really struggled to make 200.

I think if we had delivered three sessions of good bowling we would have won Adelaide as well, am I being unfair?

Our bowling went really flat during India's 2nd innings in Adelaide. Fortunately we knocked their last 4 wickets over for 4 so we chased just 323. We may have got that if Finch reviewed his dismissal given we lost by only 31 runs.
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Post by: laj on December 20, 2018, 02:18:09 pm
Their openers have been crap as well.   Overall the Indian batting has been almost as inconsistent as ours,  just a few guys have gone on.   Haven't been impressed by 6-8 (Pant  or the previous no.  6), none have batted according to the match situation.

Indian bowling has been most impressive,  got lengths wrong, like most sides in Perth.   Sharma is a pest of a bowler,  bowls a load of tripe at times but ends up with wickets.   Bumrah looks like he'll take a lot of getting used to,  they're not picking him up.
Yes, their openers have been crap.

They have Kohli and Pujara, equivalent of us missing Smith and Warner. Kohli's only had one good innings. If we knock both Kohli and Pujara out early then  we can run right through them.
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Post by: LP on December 20, 2018, 02:57:32 pm
Our bowling went really flat during India's 2nd innings in Adelaide.

Except in the 1st innings they were 7/189 and made 250, that is what really hurt us, 60 minutes at the end of the day bowling sprayed rubbish! We had a foot on their throat and instead of squeezing harder we picked them up and dusted them off!
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Post by: deags on December 20, 2018, 03:25:13 pm
Our bowling may be subpar, but the problem really lies with the batting.
Our guys are struggling to get in, and once in, they then get out either to a cracker delivery, or a lapse of concentration.
The batting line-up has been inconsistent for some time now, and has been generally saved by one mediocre score. Our bowlers haven't defended a "par" score for so long.
Having said that, I am of the opinion that since McGrath left the side, we haven't bowled well to tail enders. McGrath made an art form of bowling that persistent line and length that tail enders had no end of difficulty playing, now it's all about chin music and intimidation.
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Post by: laj on December 20, 2018, 03:28:51 pm
Except in the 1st innings they were 7/189 and made 250, that is what really hurt us, 60 minutes at the end of the day bowling sprayed rubbish! We had a foot on their throat and instead of squeezing harder we picked them up and dusted them off!

What was worse at that point Pujara knicked the ball and we didn't review. He made another 34 runs, they won by 31. We did bowl a heap of crap at that point.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 20, 2018, 09:34:11 pm
Yes, their openers have been crap.

They have Kohli and Pujara, equivalent of us missing Smith and Warner. Kohli's only had one good innings. If we knock both Kohli and Pujara out early then  we can run right through them.

They have the injured Hardik Pandya missing at No 6 and can improve their tail by including Ashwin and Jadeja ..the latter averages 32 and thats handy coming in at No 8.
Jadeja and Pandya are also excellent in the field......I cant believe they didnt play Jadeja in Perth.....
They will be a lot harder to beat at the MCG if those three play....
Agree their openers are rubbish and I would expect changes there, I expect Handscomb to hold his place given the game is in Melbourne.....

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Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 21, 2018, 08:20:52 am
There seems to be a few mixed reports as the what we can expect the pitch to play like.  Last year was an absolute road, in fact an awful pitch for Test cricket.

Some seem to think it has been better this season in the shield games, but there have been some big scores racked up in a few of these.  One thing, the groundsman will not want to serve up what he did last year...that would play right into India hands & flatten our attack for the last test.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 21, 2018, 08:41:58 am
There seems to be a few mixed reports as the what we can expect the pitch to play like.  Last year was an absolute road, in fact an awful pitch for Test cricket.

Some seem to think it has been better this season in the shield games, but there have been some big scores racked up in a few of these.  One thing, the groundsman will not want to serve up what he did last year...that would play right into India hands & flatten our attack for the last test.

The groundsmen cannot win, if the pitch is moving around or even slightly unpredictable the heavily biased pro-batsmen commentary teams gives them heaps of liberal party curry!

Look at all the complaints over in Perth coming from the morons behind the microphone, yet the match went into the 1st session of the last day!
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Post by: Professer E on December 23, 2018, 10:25:05 am
Madugalle has slammed the Perth Wicket.  Must have been upset because it didn't turn square before lunch on day one.

Obviously wasn't in Sri  Lanka when they broomed the pitch,  or Pune when the pitched that was brewed up was a disgrace.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 23, 2018, 10:39:50 am
Madugalle has slammed the Perth Wicket.  Must have been upset because it didn't turn square before lunch on day one.

Obviously wasn't in Sri  Lanka when they broomed the pitch,  or Pune when the pitched that was brewed up was a disgrace.

I don't get it ProfE, some of these duds must want a return to the old ways, matches going 6 or 7 days before being abandoned without a result, or matches over halfway through day 3.

Our younger posters won't know this. But these modern spuds have got it too easy, go back to the days when pitches were not covered and it rained too heavy they'd get the hessian mats out. Some of these modern spuds would retire from the sport rather than facing up under those conditions!

Back in Perth there was a bouncer that took off, I think from Hazelwood, that bounced just a couple of metres short of being 6 byes. Back in the old days on matting there were bowlers that could do that on demand! These flakes would faint if that had to face that, and it was back in the years before helmets!
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Post by: Professer E on December 23, 2018, 12:02:13 pm
How's about blokes aiming at the seams and patches in the matting.... Absolute faaaarking cawnarge.
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Post by: LP on December 23, 2018, 12:15:51 pm
How's about blokes aiming at the seams and patches in the matting.... Absolute faaaarking cawnarge.

Yep, when it rained the go was to go and play on matting. You'd have district bowlers coming in aiming for the overlap in the mats, they would have stretched them so tight it was like a trampoline and when it drizzled it was like a teflon coated trampoline! One pair of utter f%^5knuckles I knew had fitted out their 4x4 winch with a tensioning bar, they would create a 4ft overlap in the mats in the dead center of the pitch that they dubbed "the killing zone!"

You'd look around and the keeper was standing in the next suburb pissing himself laughing!

If conditions got really bad you'd go down to the two piece brigade and that was bloody murder, the balls were virtually indestructible, swung under any conditions, and the real asswipe fanarkles would put them in a deep freezer overnight before game day just to get them a bit harder! The first forward defence would shatter your fingers like you had blocked a canon ball!

FFS, I remember when indoor cricket first started, no pads, just a box and gloves and real cricket balls!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 23, 2018, 12:57:43 pm
Perth wicket was bad, shooters, deliveries taking off from good lengths...Shami was getting them to fly like Curtly Ambrose did and he isnt quick or tall.
Pitches need to be good for both bowlers/batsman but that wicket was poor and bordering on unsafe IMO...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 23, 2018, 05:13:33 pm
Perth wicket was bad, shooters, deliveries taking off from good lengths...Shami was getting them to fly like Curtly Ambrose did and he isnt quick or tall.
Pitches need to be good for both bowlers/batsman but that wicket was poor and bordering on unsafe IMO...

Can't agree Eb.

The pitch produced the best part of 5 days of pretty darn entertaining cricket - neither bat nor ball dominated. A century was scored and a few good half centuries.

India's lack of a front line spinner and a woefully long tail......the difference.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 23, 2018, 07:06:08 pm
Can't agree Eb.

The pitch produced the best part of 5 days of pretty darn entertaining cricket - neither bat nor ball dominated. A century was scored and a few good half centuries.

India's lack of a front line spinner and a woefully long tail......the difference.

Entertaining is one thing, and that it certainly was, going from dangerous to shooting randomly is not a great pitch. That middle session on day 4 was plainly dangerous and that was from a short bowler bowling 135k.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 23, 2018, 07:30:32 pm
Entertaining is one thing, and that it certainly was, going from dangerous to shooting randomly is not a great pitch. That middle session on day 4 was plainly dangerous and that was from a short bowler bowling 135k.

I'll admit I didn't watch a lot of the game!  :-X
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 25, 2018, 12:15:08 pm
I can understand dropping Handscombe, but why replace him with a bloke who isn't bowling and has even less elapsed form with the bat!?!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 25, 2018, 12:20:09 pm
It'll be an interesting toss.  Prefer we bat first
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 25, 2018, 01:07:25 pm
I can understand dropping Handscombe, but why replace him with a bloke who isn't bowling and has even less elapsed form with the bat!?!

Agreed, Stoinis a better option....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 25, 2018, 04:35:25 pm
Id like to know what Marsh has done to get so many golden opportunities.  The photos or videos or whatever he has must be damning.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 25, 2018, 08:47:43 pm
I can understand dropping Handscombe, but why replace him with a bloke who isn't bowling and has even less elapsed form with the bat!?!

Yes, it must have been an interesting conversation with Handscombe, “You’re out of form so we’re replacing you with a bloke who is even more out of form!”

Langer made it very clear that Marsh was included because of his bowling so it will be interesting to see if he bowls more than a couple of overs.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 25, 2018, 10:35:56 pm
If Mitch only bowls a handful of overs it will be damning on Langer IMO.

$@-*,! Me off no end when coaches and selectors play favourites.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 25, 2018, 10:52:06 pm
To be of any serious value to our bowlers he has to rack up at least 30 overs through this test, or Mitch playing is a joke!

On another thing. While I agree with the banter between Paine and Kohli being OK, what I find not OK is the hypocrisy of the Indian test team and management. Because if Paine farts too loudly in their direction they will cry bloody murder! They like handing it out, but the cannot take it!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on December 26, 2018, 06:36:57 am
Agreed, Stoinis a better option....

yeah. Stoinis or Maxwell.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 26, 2018, 07:45:47 am
yeah. Stoinis or Maxwell.

Maxwell clearly pisses off too many people it would appear..... has long derserved a crack as the Test all rounder.....far better bat than Mitch Marsh (who will now crack 150 just to spite me).
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 26, 2018, 08:24:13 am
I'd love Mitch to hit 150, but he has ostensibly been brought in to support the bowlers.   If he doesn't the sh1tstorm deserves to be epic.

The Australian cricketing public aren't Muppet's and we're tired of being bullsh1tted to by CA and it's minions.  

On another note,  I've got kids going through selection dramas at state/CA level and the politics,  nepotism and straight out bullsh1t is... Beyond description.  Maxwell is clearly outside the purple circle,  and I really feel for him.   As his card is marked, he may as well make zillions being a hired 20/20 mercenary because he has no future here.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 26, 2018, 09:20:08 am
I'm not a fan of Mitch Marsh: he has promised so much and has delivered so little, as both a batsman and a bowler. I don't understand the idea of bringing him in, as he doesn't handle the moving ball at all.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 26, 2018, 10:05:32 am
I'm predicting M Marsh will contribute nothing with the bat, and will bowl a few innocuous overs that release the pressure off the Indian batsmen and allow them to build partnerships. He's also a liability in the field, at least Handscomb sems to always take some very sharp catches at slip or in close. But they'll keep M Marsh for the Sydney test because they want to create some stability in the team....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 26, 2018, 10:14:46 am
His bowling is the real worry imo.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/272450.html

He used to be well able to bowl in the low 140s = pretty sharp.

Hiw bowling has gone right off and not even swure he can bowl a decent lengthy spell (from a body holding up pov).....

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/272450.html?class=1;orderby=start;orderbyad=reverse;template=results;type=bowling;view=match
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 26, 2018, 10:20:29 am
I'm not a fan of Mitch Marsh: he has promised so much and has delivered so little, as both a batsman and a bowler. I don't understand the idea of bringing him in, as he doesn't handle the moving ball at all.

Um, name a batsman in the current 11 who handles a moving ball Crash?

Can't think of one.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 26, 2018, 10:47:25 am
Three overs in,  I wouldn't want to be bowling on this deck
  Going to be very hard work.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 26, 2018, 08:38:38 pm
God, that pitch is atrocious
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 26, 2018, 09:00:15 pm
Everybody knows the problem, but the game is run by accountants.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 26, 2018, 09:51:34 pm
I don't see why Paine is copping flack for 'dropping' Kohli.  He dived at least as wide as first slip,  and the ball died before it was going to get there.

Awful,  awful pitch.   World class pace attack and they serve up that tripe.  Disappointed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 26, 2018, 10:50:03 pm
I don't see why Paine is copping flack for 'dropping' Kohli.  He dived at least as wide as first slip,  and the ball died before it was going to get there.

Awful,  awful pitch.   World class pace attack and they serve up that tripe.  Disappointed.

aGREED, an embarrassment really.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 27, 2018, 08:41:36 am
He’s copping flack because he dropped him.
Pitch is poor but that doesn’t change the fact that he dropped him.
I love what Paine has done but it is what it is.

More interesting is the negative interviews about Warner.
You can only assume they are orchestrated by a higher power.
They either don’t want him back or want him to beg for permission
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 27, 2018, 09:25:28 am
I agree, it is very pointed against Warner. I assume this is a campaign to make sure he never wears the baggy green again
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 27, 2018, 09:36:47 am
Interesting discussion on the wireless this morning along the lines of Warner being the only leader in the Test team at the time of the sandpaper scandal.  Smith’s comments bear that out.

How many demerit points will the MCG earn from this Test?  Five points and there’s a 12 month ban  :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Wet Willie on December 27, 2018, 09:49:15 am
Bring back the sand paper!!!  zzzzz...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 27, 2018, 09:52:05 am
Interesting to see Sutherland dumped on.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 27, 2018, 10:14:36 am
Um, name a batsman in the current 11 who handles a moving ball Crash?

Can't think of one.
Nor can I.  :-[ However, some can eke out some runs that way. Mitch Marsh doesn't appear able to survive long enough to do so.

I know the moving ball is ALWAYS difficult to play against, but we don't appear to have the techniques to play against it, as a batting cohort.

As for this pitch, I know that the curators are aware of the issues, but they don't seem to be able to come up with the answers. They grow the pitch just near Richmond's ground: they should do it somewhere else and get the deck nice and hard and bouncy.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 27, 2018, 10:34:23 am
Smith will be welcomed back but Warner will only appear if we are going very poorly IMO...

re: The Pitch.....criticism is extreme , its not that bad IMO, our bowling is overated IMO, Hazlewood doesnt make batsman play enough, Starc is inconsistent with line and length and we have become too reliant on Lyon to get the big breakthroughs.
Quality bowlers get wickets on any pitches, if that was real quality like McGrath or Steyn on that pitch we would have seen wickets falling, Cummins showed if you bend your back, attack the batsman you can manufacture wickets.
Mitch Marsh is a plodder with the ball and while he kept the runs down he hardly troubled two good technical player like Pujara and Kohli......
We bowled like we expected them to fold up and make mistakes and paid the price with their new opener scoring some easy runs, I would have applied more pressure on him rather than serving up half volleys with a traditional field...Paine isnt a bad captain but needs to get more inventive than just bringing Lyon onto bowl when he wants a wicket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 27, 2018, 10:41:31 am
This pitch looks like its playing nicely now, was a bit low and slow for the first hour yesterday, presumably because they left extra water in it to combat the coming heatwave. The batsmen are driving confidently so it's coming on to the bat ok. I think its just a "thing" now to criticise the MCG pitch, after the debacle of last year. Wait until we see Bumrah and co bowl on it, I think there's plenty to work with. India will win by an innings and some
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 27, 2018, 10:55:20 am
Smith will be welcomed back but Warner will only appear if we are going very poorly IMO...

re: The Pitch.....criticism is extreme , its not that bad IMO, our bowling is overated IMO, Hazlewood doesnt make batsman play enough, Starc is inconsistent with line and length and we have become too reliant on Lyon to get the big breakthroughs.
Quality bowlers get wickets on any pitches, if that was real quality like McGrath or Steyn on that pitch we would have seen wickets falling, Cummins showed if you bend your back, attack the batsman you can manufacture wickets.
Mitch Marsh is a plodder with the ball and while he kept the runs down he hardly troubled two good technical player like Pujara and Kohli......
We bowled like we expected them to fold up and make mistakes and paid the price with their new opener scoring some easy runs, I would have applied more pressure on him rather than serving up half volleys with a traditional field...Paine isnt a bad captain but needs to get more inventive than just bringing Lyon onto bowl when he wants a wicket.

x1000

The pitch has played normally, kept low and taken off like a rocket. A few balls doing that on the line of the stumps would have made life very interesting, but there have effectively been nothing on the line of the stumps! It's rubbish bowling, they are so over-rated because they all have highlight reels!

Watch what happens to our lot, the Indians will attack the stumps, they won't bowl bouncers outside leg stump or half-volleys a foot outside off!

Agree about Paine, and that catch wasn't so easy, the reason Haddin or Healy didn't drop those catches is because they wouldn't have tried for one that wide! Those mugs commentate from the cheap seats, they are all perfect after they have retired!

The only thing I agree about Paine this pitch is his fields are not quite right, Punter has that nailed. But why isn't Punter offering Paine free advice, you know as part of patriotism, instead of putting a hand out for an ACB spotters fee?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 27, 2018, 11:29:19 am
Starc can't bowl two consecutive balls in the right spot.   Doesn't build pressure.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 27, 2018, 11:50:05 am
Starc can't bowl two consecutive balls in the right spot.   Doesn't build pressure.

That's why so many think he's a waste of space in ODI or T20s!

On a suitable pitch in test cricket he is valuable because his good balls take wickets, no matter how rare they are!

Notice the commentators making excuses for Mitch Marsh, "looks sore", "limping", "hobbled", "not throwing freely", will Marsh bowl today?


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 27, 2018, 11:58:01 am
I expect M Marsh to bowl a LOT of overs today. Will take a miracle to win this Test from here, but if we bat well we can sneak out with a draw, in which case we need everyone in top shape for the back to back Test in Sydney. I'd be conserving Cummins and Starc, bowl lots of M Marsh, Hazlewood and Lyon
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 27, 2018, 08:52:11 pm
Piss weak tactics from the Indians.   Grind for two days at at a snail's pace, wear out the other mob in the heat then try to cash in.   That's been their modus operandi for fifty years and why they can't win away.

Six sessions for 450 says you're not trying to force the game.  Now they're relying on Australia  to force the game,  creating opportunities for their bowlers.

We need to bat smart, minimum six sessions,  preferably all nine.   Give'em back their own medicine.  Bat time,  runs will come and for goodness sake,  don't try to force the rate. That's when wickets fall.

Great effort for Finch and Harris to hold out until stumps,  first hurdle jumped... And a cheeky little bird back at ya.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 28, 2018, 08:05:16 am
Yes Prof, it was India 101.

Very strange really - but again, maybe they were shocked by the carpy pitch too - which really is a blight on the MCC and Australian cricket - no excuses shiuld be accepted eg the "long term plan" - it's 2018 ffs.

How to turn the public (even more) off cricket - produce a pitch like this one....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 28, 2018, 08:44:16 am
Yep,  the footy gods hate us but maybe the cricket gods will throw us a bone.

Bat an immense amount of time,  thrash their bowlers then hang on in Sydney on a pitch that only suits one side   One all.   Hows them apples Virat?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 28, 2018, 10:12:14 am
Piss weak tactics from the Indians.   Grind for two days at at a snail's pace, wear out the other mob in the heat then try to cash in.   That's been their modus operandi for fifty years and why they can't win away.

Yes it was like a time warp.

But having said that, did you notice as soon as the Bumrah and Sharma got out there the ball was swinging and moving sideways off the pitch. What happened when our lot had three new pills, not a deviation, even from the declared swing bowler Marsh and the supposed late swinging freak Starc!

Our lot might be good bowlers, but they are so far out of form it's not funny, and all we are hearing is that it's the pitches fault! Maybe not just out of form but over-rated! The pitched seemed to offer Sharma and Bumrah plenty, and Jadeja was turning the new ball plenty not that I'm blaming Lyon he just needs 10 new team-mates!

It's just too easy to stay in our test team, this culture of persisting with the squad no matter what is killing Australian cricket. They will have good patches when they are in good form, but those times are spread so thinly the majority of the time we will be sadly disappointed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 28, 2018, 10:30:22 am
Yes it was like a time warp.

But having said that, did you notice as soon as the Bumrah and Sharma got out there the ball was swinging and moving sideways off the pitch. What happened when our lot had three new pills, not a deviation, even from the declared swing bowler Marsh and the supposed late swinging freak Starc!

Our lot might be good bowlers, but they are so far out of form it's not funny, and all we are hearing is that it's the pitches fault! Maybe not just out of form but over-rated! The pitched seemed to offer Sharma and Bumrah plenty, and Jadeja was turning the new ball plenty not that I'm blaming Lyon he just needs 10 new team-mates!

It's just too easy to stay in our test team, this culture of persisting with the squad no matter what is killing Australian cricket. They will have good patches when they are in good form, but those times are spread so thinly the majority of the time we will be sadly disappointed.

Pitch is already two paced and Bumrah aint slow and will skid on, Harris was lucky to survive last night, interesting bowler is Bumrah, no run up to speak of but was bowling 148k's with that whippy stiff arm action.
Think I heard he has bowled the most overs in international cricket in 2018 and was initially picked as a short format bowler, seems to enjoy bowling to lefties too. I'd be looking to keep him out and do my scoring at the other end where I think Shami/IShant are more hittable.
Got to get forward more on this wicket, can just see our blokes straddled across the crease, trapped in front/bowled....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 28, 2018, 11:42:57 am
Where have all those dead pitch comments gone now?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 28, 2018, 11:45:03 am
Nah, EB,  won't require much effort or planning from Sharma ET AL.,   we've decided to throw our wickets away with lazy,  soft catches around the wicket. 

Spinners will be hardly required at this rate. Can't believe how inept these blokes are.   Utterly inept.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on December 28, 2018, 11:48:26 am
I'm only reading commentary on Cricinfo because I'm working, but it doesn't sound like the pitch has anything to do with what's going on out there. We have a side full of batsmen that just have no idea how to bat in a test match. I love Khawaja, probably my favourite player in the current side, but he is having a terrible time of it. Just poor shot selection given the circumstances.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 28, 2018, 12:08:41 pm
Where have all those dead pitch comments gone now?

Bad batting will always overcome dead pitches LP  ;)

I think scoreboard pressure is a major factor now.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 28, 2018, 12:21:36 pm
Bad batting will always overcome dead pitches LP  ;)

I think scoreboard pressure is a major factor now.

Yesterday it was a boring road, today it's deadly, unpredictable and breaking up!

It's not gone through some dramatic change.

The real difference is the discipline of the bowlers in building pressure by bowling at the stumps and in good zones. Our batsmen have hardly had a delivery they can leave! I'm normally a bowling booster having spent 17 years playing cricket as an all-rounder, but I just can't find a positive for our current crew of quicks, they are very average in terms of control and consistency and they are not beginners.

Not that I'm making excuses for a batsmen either, they have been average as well, the Indians can get wickets even when the ball doesn't bounce!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 28, 2018, 01:10:02 pm
LP,  we read the pitch badly and bowled poorly.   Starc continues to be underwhelming.

Don't get me started on the Marsh duds.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 28, 2018, 01:54:39 pm
Yesterday it was a boring road, today it's deadly, unpredictable and breaking up!

It's not gone through some dramatic change.

The real difference is the discipline of the bowlers in building pressure by bowling at the stumps and in good zones. Our batsmen have hardly had a delivery they can leave! I'm normally a bowling booster having spent 17 years playing cricket as an all-rounder, but I just can't find a positive for our current crew of quicks, they are very average in terms of control and consistency and they are not beginners.

Not that I'm making excuses for a batsmen either, they have been average as well, the Indians can get wickets even when the ball doesn't bounce!

The commentators on the wireless had consistently described the pitch as flat and lacking bounce.  That doesn't suit our bowlers, including Lyon, who rely heavily on bounce.  The Indian bowlers have simply used the flat pitch better, but it does suit their style of bowling and preferred wicket taking methods.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 28, 2018, 02:27:34 pm
But why keep selecting blokes that are clearly not up to it.  But then again,  how do you pick a test side when the Sheffield shield is relegated to a minor tier comp at best? 

Some of the current chumps:

Is Finch the dumbest bat in world cricket.   Let's hit it to the bloke that was moved there one ball ago. Really? Really Aaron are  you thick or something?  Looks like he can get out any ball,  simply not good enough.   Over it.

Australia are in trouble, so let's fling the bat at a short one Harris.   What's wrong with shelving the risky stuff?   Indians largely ignored the short stuff, and they made plenty of runs.   Gets out to short stuff a lot this bloke for an opener.

Shaun "find new ways to get out" Marsh.   Can't get started,  doesn't go on with it when on the rare occasions he does.

Marsh the younger: FMD Langer.   Why,  WHY WHY  do we persist with this no hoper?  Bats like his legs are in casts and his bowling has as much penetration as a blind, toothless,   aged  poodle.

Over it.   Can't wait to hear Langers idiotic excuses at stump today.... "but Mitch has so much potential.... "  Grow a pair Langer and ditch the chumps.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 28, 2018, 03:06:44 pm
Don't ever depend on langer to offer an honest answer ... he's the idiot who defends these duds

GET RID OF HIM !!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 28, 2018, 03:42:29 pm
I warned people that Langer comes with baggage,  baggage the current side can't carry. 

What disappoints me the most is that between the first test and the  recent one not one lesson has been learnt, not one technical deficiency addressed.   It's not working,  so why not do something about it?

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on December 28, 2018, 08:24:30 pm
But why keep selecting blokes that are clearly not up to it.  But then again,  how do you pick a test side when the Sheffield shield is relegated to a minor tier comp at best? 

Some of the current chumps:

Is Finch the dumbest bat in world cricket.   Let's hit it to the bloke that was moved there one ball ago. Really? Really Aaron are  you thick or something?  Looks like he can get out any ball,  simply not good enough.   Over it.

Australia are in trouble, so let's fling the bat at a short one Harris.   What's wrong with shelving the risky stuff?   Indians largely ignored the short stuff, and they made plenty of runs.   Gets out to short stuff a lot this bloke for an opener.

Shaun "find new ways to get out" Marsh.   Can't get started,  doesn't go on with it when on the rare occasions he does.

Marsh the younger: FMD Langer.   Why,  WHY WHY  do we persist with this no hoper?  Bats like his legs are in casts and his bowling has as much penetration as a blind, toothless,   aged  poodle.

Over it.   Can't wait to hear Langers idiotic excuses at stump today.... "but Mitch has so much potential.... "  Grow a pair Langer and ditch the chumps.

Can't disagree with any of that Prof.

Steve Smith, Dave Warner,  Joe Burns and Glen Maxwell in the side and we would very likely be whole lot different position tonight.

AC are the problem.

The Smith, Warner suspensions were far too severe.

And Langer ????? Bloody hell..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 28, 2018, 09:11:29 pm
CA are a real problem. The scheduling if the domestic season is shambolic.   But the old mates club is a big problem as well.   The wrong kind of mates and old boys are having too much say.

For example,  Mark Waugh was upset at the crowd agitating against Mitch Marsh.   Fair enough, it wasn't polite.   But Waugh needs to understand the public have had a gutfull.
 Perform or F off, that's the message they're sending.  The natives are restless Mark,  and with good reason.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 28, 2018, 11:49:07 pm
Here is one for the annals of idiocracy.

The police have threatened to eject the whole of Bay 13 for racist taunts against the Indian Captain. Apparently they were chanting "Kohli's a Wanker", there has been a formal complaint and it's been labelled racist!

I wonder what Joe Root thinks?

Next thing you know we'll be labelled racist for booing footballers!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 29, 2018, 04:40:07 am
The cops can threaten all they like ... they'll do SFA.  They can't shut up everybody
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 29, 2018, 09:50:23 am
My mate reckons a fair bit of the chanting has been directed at the so-called Swami army,  who haven't exactly been shy and reserved.  If you carry on you're likely to attract problems, particularly when booze is involved.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 29, 2018, 11:14:17 am
But why keep selecting blokes that are clearly not up to it.  But then again,  how do you pick a test side when the Sheffield shield is relegated to a minor tier comp at best? 

Some of the current chumps:

Is Finch the dumbest bat in world cricket.   Let's hit it to the bloke that was moved there one ball ago. Really? Really Aaron are  you thick or something?  Looks like he can get out any ball,  simply not good enough.   Over it.

Australia are in trouble, so let's fling the bat at a short one Harris.   What's wrong with shelving the risky stuff?   Indians largely ignored the short stuff, and they made plenty of runs.   Gets out to short stuff a lot this bloke for an opener.

Shaun "find new ways to get out" Marsh.   Can't get started,  doesn't go on with it when on the rare occasions he does.

Marsh the younger: FMD Langer.   Why,  WHY WHY  do we persist with this no hoper?  Bats like his legs are in casts and his bowling has as much penetration as a blind, toothless,   aged  poodle.

Over it.   Can't wait to hear Langers idiotic excuses at stump today.... "but Mitch has so much potential.... "  Grow a pair Langer and ditch the chumps.

I'd play Maxwell in place of Mitch Marsh...sure Maxwell can be hit and miss but he wins games, is the best fielder in Australia and can break partnerships with his bowling.
Ok Maxwell is mates with Kohli and doesnt get on with some of his team mates...who cares, pick the best team and a coach who can bring them together...
Smith has to come back in for Shaun Marsh when available....
Finch is a short format batsman only, Harris has some potential but needs another opener to lead the way while he plays the anchor like Rogers did..

Langar needs replacing with Gillespie......Langar is another Lehmann , Gillespie is more about the technical aspects of the game and less about playing mates and politics.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 29, 2018, 11:43:04 am
Finch is dumb as duck droppingd.   Lucky to avoid LB with his front pad issues,  then plays a brainless get out shot.  We play a man short when we play this chump.

Change must be made for Sydney.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 29, 2018, 11:51:00 am
You could well replace our entire top 6....

All have been ordinary - Finch a certainty to go, one or both of the Marshs too if they fail this innings.

Harris' shot in the first innings was deplorable and Khawaja looks way out of form.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: madbluboy on December 29, 2018, 02:36:29 pm
My mate reckons a fair bit of the chanting has been directed at the so-called Swami army,  who haven't exactly been shy and reserved.  If you carry on you're likely to attract problems, particularly when booze is involved.

They were chanting "Show us your visa"
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gointocarlton on December 29, 2018, 04:37:51 pm
Loving the banter between Paine and Pant.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 29, 2018, 05:31:03 pm
I know a guy who plays cricket for a side from Quambatook. I am certain these fellas would offer more hope than the plebs that are on the field for the Aussie squad at the moment. I might give him a call and get home to speak to Langer.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 29, 2018, 06:11:15 pm
Langer isn't the kind that listens,  now dogmatically hanging on to justify idiotic selection decisions.

I'd like to know what brainiac thought Finch could open,  Marsh could bat in the top seven or promote Starc as a swing bowler.

Can't believe how these blokes keep getting starts then find ways to get out.

Painful when bloody tailenders show more gumption and technical acumen than a swag of so called batsmen.

Crikey they have some flaws to address.   Head bowled driving again.... Suggests a basic technical issue, not picking up the line.    So do something about it!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 29, 2018, 07:52:25 pm
Langer's on a million a year ... what is Graeme Hick worth?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/cricket/no-money-to-fix-australian-crickets-coaching-crisis/news-story/fa3103e1cb2f06ed70f679c912a69b72
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 29, 2018, 07:56:52 pm
Although the batting was ordinary I really don't think it is as bad as some make out, our real problem is how on a pitch that had variable bounce in both directions India made 7/443.

The pitch hasn't changed that much and we had India 8/106, the question has to be asked about the bowling, three new balls 443 runs and only 7 wickets! It's like after being shown how to bowl on it by the Indian 1st year player we were all good suddenly!

To me, against test bowlers, that wicket looked like a 300 - 350 run wicket at best from the first ball bowled, our experience much lauded bowling attack was pitiful.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Robblues on December 29, 2018, 09:44:05 pm
Like football, cricket teams go through peaks & troughs with there teams, at the moment, after the ball tampering issue they are still trying to shake that off and re group, will take years . We have golden periods , they will come again, might be waiting a bit though
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 29, 2018, 09:49:23 pm
Yep LP, greatly annoyed at how we needed to be shown how to bowl on this deck,
but I feel the field placements were a bit off and we always seemed to be chasing the game once the new bloke got off to a flier.

 Hazlewood,  who I really like as a test bowler has lacked penetration and Starc is underwhelming. He doesn't look hungry and his pace is down.  His second innings was poor,  and continues a run of being poor after a big first innings effort.   He just doesn't come up, not unexpected after 177 overs.

I'd replace Starc next test,  he's cooked.   How's Neser going,  or Behrendorff or Tremain?

Harris and Finch are poor close in fielders, an area Handscombe excelled in.   The Indians made all those half chances but our Muppet's seemed to pick out the fielders with alarming regularity. Easier to take 'em in close if they hit it into your hands...

Can't believe the soft dismissals,  the blokes getting set and getting out.   Cameos don't win matches.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 30, 2018, 09:10:20 am
Neser 32 wickets at 32 this shield season, underwhelming. Best is Boland, 36 wickets at 17
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 30, 2018, 09:44:20 am
The only thing that will change out fortunes is introducing a world class bat in Smith. Maybe Warner but I would prefer not.

We have years in the doldrums in front of us.

Our preparation of young players is average at best.
They do not work hard enough on technique and certainly do not want to bat for long periods.

The emphasis on quick bucks at 20/20 level is of serious detriment to our test side
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 30, 2018, 10:48:47 am
Ed Cowan hit the nail on the head last night when he said that the Marsh brothers have had more than their share of opportunities at Test level when their performances show that they are not up to it.

If Ed was in charge, he would drop the Marsh brothers for Byrne and Wade and bat Finch at 6.

That sounds like a plan to me ... but I can’t see it happening  :(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 30, 2018, 10:50:12 am
Your comment regarding not working hard enough on technique and being prepared to bat for long periods are spot on.

Grinds my gears to see blokes play get out shots.   Sometimes the pitch plays tricks or a bowler is simply too good but yesterday Finch inexplicably  committed batting suicide,  Harris shows no idea how to play off spin,  Head drove around one (misread line) and Mitch was deadest clueless. That attempt to take Jajeda down was embarrassing.

Basic skill deficiencies. So what are we going to do about it?    Finch should never play again (=replace),  Harris and Head have things to work on...but Marsh, he just can't bat.  He must go.

I know he isn't popular but Maxwell must be considered for six,  he at least has a clue how to serve it up to the spinners and his shield average isn't disgraceful.  If he can contribute a few overs that will help too.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 30, 2018, 11:29:09 am
Nothing will change EB1 while we allow them to make more money in the IPL than they get for representing their country, and India knows it.

WSC set the template, it destroyed most of Australia's serious opposition, now India is following our example using the IPL.
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Post by: Professer E on December 30, 2018, 11:32:26 am
How does India taking the extra time yesterday affect things?   Anybody familiar with the playing conditions?

Excluding rain delays,  does this mean a maximum of 82 overs instead of 90, or a half hour less play at the end of the day?
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Post by: Jack Burton on December 30, 2018, 03:47:12 pm
Marnus Labuschagne added to the squad for Sydney. Averaging 29 with the bat and 59 with the ball in shield cricket this year. Don't mind the bloke, but the process of selection for Australian Test cricket at the moment is absolutely baffling to say the least
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Post by: DJC on December 30, 2018, 03:56:28 pm
Marnus Labuschagne added to the squad for Sydney. Averaging 29 with the bat and 59 with the ball in shield cricket this year. Don't mind the bloke, but the process of selection for Australian Test cricket at the moment is absolutely baffling to say the least

Why am I not surprised by that?

The ex-cricketers on the wireless thought he might get the nod ahead of far more deserving players  >:(
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Post by: Professer E on December 30, 2018, 04:01:52 pm
They read like my figures.   Seriously, this has to be a joke doesn't it....we need a new panel because this one is out of touch.
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Post by: DJC on December 30, 2018, 04:12:57 pm
Ed Cowan didn't hold back in his comments about the selectors and Hohns in particular.  He said that Hohns should be fronting up to answer questions about selection criteria and the team's poor performances.

He also ridiculed the comments Hohns did make about one of the blokes selected for the Tests against Pakistan; something along the lines of, "He can bat and he can bowl"  :o

More former cricketers need to call out the lack of rigour and judgement applied to Test selection.

On a more positive note, how good a cricketer is Pat Cummins going to be? I reckon he is a future captain.
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Post by: Professer E on December 30, 2018, 04:46:27 pm
If you scroll back you'll see I predicted Cumming to be the cricketer of the summer,  although I am pained to see that his injuries have forced him to remodel his action and he has lost the outswing he displayed in his initial test.

If they want a second spinner,  go with Maxwell or Farwhad, who would damn near kill to have a go at the Indians - and he's rat cunning enough to take a few down as well.

Our old ball bowling has stunk - I'm looking at you Starc.  I'm at a bit of a loss how the Indians got it reversing so much on a non abrasive  drop in pitch yesterday.... Better not be any shenanigans going on.   I'm suspicious whenever I see any reverse action,  especially since Starc hasnt moved an old (or new) ball since sandpaper-gate.
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Post by: DJC on December 30, 2018, 04:53:10 pm
If you scroll back you'll see I predicted Cumming to be the cricketer of the summer,  although I am pained to see that his injuries have forced him to remodel his action and he has lost the outswing he displayed in his initial test.

If they want a second spinner,  go with Maxwell or Farwhad, who would damn near kill to have a go at the Indians - and he's rat cunning enough to take a few down as well.

Our old ball bowling has stunk - I'm looking at you Starc.  I'm at a bit of a loss how the Indians got it reversing so much on a non abrasive  drop in pitch yesterday.... Better not be any shenanigans going on.   I'm suspicious whenever I see any reverse action,  especially since Starc hasnt moved an old (or new) ball since sandpaper-gate.

It was good listening to Dirk Nannes talk about the bowling.  He felt that the Indians had better technique and used the seam very well.  He also said that Bumrah would have had his action changed in the Australian system and would be a mediocre bowler as a result.  To be fair, Bhogle said that the Indian system would have done the same and it was fortunate that Bumrah had arrived via T20 and not the establishment pathway.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 30, 2018, 05:16:38 pm
I’m a bit too reactive I think, in both cricket and football. After losing this Test I was sitting here thinking the sky is falling and we’ll never win another Test match ever. But we won one against the world’s number 1 team only 12 days ago. How did we do that? Our openers put on partnerships of 112 and 59, with both making 50’s in the first innings. They didn’t perform well in this Test, but surely we stick with them for a while based on that. Head got a 50 in the first innings and Khawaja in the second innings, while S Marsh got 45 in the first. Paine made 38 and 37, which is handy from a keeper. And all this against the best pace attack to come to Australia since the mighty Windies teams of the 80’s (yes the stats do back up this big statement). Maybe our batting is not as bad as I think it is, just needs a chance to get used to Test cricket? I don’t have any problem with Paine’s keeping, so no problem there. The bowling? Well Starc and Hazlewood each got an early wicket in both innings, and we had them 2/8 in the first, and 2/13 in the second innings. Despite a Kohli century, Lyon got 5 wickets and we bowled them out for 286 in the first innings (lead for us of 43 runs), then we rolled them for 140 in the second innings, with the bowlers sharing the wickets, to win by 146 runs. I hated getting rolled in this Test, but we need to be careful about kneejerk reactions, maybe we aren’t that far away….
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 30, 2018, 05:49:54 pm
Ed Cowan hit the nail on the head last night when he said that the Marsh brothers have had more than their share of opportunities at Test level when their performances show that they are not up to it.

If Ed was in charge, he would drop the Marsh brothers for Byrne and Wade and bat Finch at 6.

That sounds like a plan to me ... but I can’t see it happening  :(

Finch doesnt have the technique or brains for test cricket, I'd play Maxwell at No 6.....Paine at seven is handy but not really a matchwinner or saver, Aus cricket is at its strongest when we have a keeper who can bat and make centuries. I'd be playing Carey for his batting and letting him develop his keeping, much like we did when Gilchrist was picked. Burns will probably play in Sydney but I remain unconvinced about him.....
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 30, 2018, 05:58:24 pm
Why am I not surprised by that?

The ex-cricketers on the wireless thought he might get the nod ahead of far more deserving players  >:(

Yep....shows you how well the Shield system is working in producing players and how the big money in the shorter formats has wrecked the techniques of batsman for test cricket. Jamie Siddons couldnt get a game averaging 50 in Shield cricket back in my young days and Lehmann who averaged about the same was fringe selection for most of his career yet we have a bloke who averages 29 now in the squad... :o
Smith and Warner will be straight back in this team as soon as they have finished their suspensions....
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Post by: Jack Burton on December 30, 2018, 06:00:13 pm
Smith yes, Warner no
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 30, 2018, 06:20:35 pm
Smith yes, Warner no

I dont think we will go into a Ashes series undermanned and get beat up by England who will be looking for an easy kill if we rock up with players like Finch, the Marsh boys etc.
I'd expect Smith back in at No 4 and the openers will be Warner and Bancroft(maybe).....I agree Warner doesnt deserve to be back and neither do the other two probably but I cant see CA sending a team that will be smashed on those seaming wickets either....
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Post by: Professer E on December 30, 2018, 08:32:39 pm
Philander and Faf are serial cheats and the Saffies don't have a problem with playing them  The Sri Lankans are serial pitch tamperers.   So why should we ban Smith and Warner for life?  I'm sure the EBoC and MCC would love us to rock up sans our best but it ain't going to happen.



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 30, 2018, 08:46:12 pm
“The opposition number 1-6 batsmen when we are bowling has Mitchell Starc with 17 wickets in 10 Test matches at 47,” Warne said. “Josh Hazlewood has 18 wickets at 40. Nathan Lyon 29 wickets at 43. Pat Cummins 30 wickets at 23.


Virat Kohli praised the Ranji Trophy for the success of the side in Australia.

“Our first-class cricket is amazing, which is why we won. Credit must go to first-class set up in India, which challenges our fast bowlers in India, and that helps them abroad,” the India skipper said.

Jaspit Bumrah also praised the Ranji set up.

“We train very hard and we are used to bowling a lot of overs in Ranji cricket, so the body is doing well,” he said.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 30, 2018, 10:58:11 pm
“The opposition number 1-6 batsmen when we are bowling has Mitchell Starc with 17 wickets in 10 Test matches at 47,” Warne said. “Josh Hazlewood has 18 wickets at 40. Nathan Lyon 29 wickets at 43. Pat Cummins 30 wickets at 23.


Virat Kohli praised the Ranji Trophy for the success of the side in Australia.

“Our first-class cricket is amazing, which is why we won. Credit must go to first-class set up in India, which challenges our fast bowlers in India, and that helps them abroad,” the India skipper said.

Jaspit Bumrah also praised the Ranji set up.

“We train very hard and we are used to bowling a lot of overs in Ranji cricket, so the body is doing well,” he said.

India used to be a poor team fitness wise but how things have changed...Kohli is said to be a great example and Bumrah is another who has a reputation for being a fitness freak.......
We need to get better in a lot of areas including fitness.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 31, 2018, 05:07:48 am
India used to be a poor team fitness wise but how things have changed...Kohli is said to be a great example and Bumrah is another who has a reputation for being a fitness freak.......
We need to get better in a lot of areas including fitness.....

I think fitness is probably the only thing we get right.
The comments were more about
A - our lack of penetration from our opening bowlers
And
B - they both commented on the strength of their first class cricket system, while ours has been ignored by CA and gone backwards
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Post by: sandsmere on December 31, 2018, 06:18:51 am
Philander and Faf are serial cheats and the Saffies don't have a problem with playing them  The Sri Lankans are serial pitch tamperers.   So why should we ban Smith and Warner for life?  I'm sure the EBoC and MCC would love us to rock up sans our best but it ain't going to happen.

Spot on Prof.
Smith and Warner serve their time that should be the end of it. Straight back in the side.
Faf was caught twice in one series ball tampering and only lost some of his match payments I think. No big suspensions anyway.
Michael Vaughan is another one. Caught ball tampering when he was Englands captain and got a little smack on the wrist.

We need our best line-up for the ashes series to have any chance.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 31, 2018, 09:27:01 am
One problem we have is NSW plundering the other states, I think it's a big reason our bowlers have become so pathetic.

Because they are a team 24x7 the bowlers no longer have to step up and lead an attack, so they have become complacent allowing the other bloke to make an effort until there is blood in the water, the benefits of having 1st class support without the need for effort or responsibility has made them lazy hunters!

Each of them should be leading an attack, and going head to head!
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 31, 2018, 10:48:44 am
I think fitness is probably the only thing we get right.
The comments were more about
A - our lack of penetration from our opening bowlers
And
B - they both commented on the strength of their first class cricket system, while ours has been ignored by CA and gone backwards

A: Our bowlers need pace and bounce out of the wicket, none of them really move the ball in the air or off the wicket to any great degree.
We dont have a genuine swing bowler who can swing the new ball or reverse the old one, Starc has the odd day where he does but not enough of them.
Hazlewood hardly moves the ball and Cummins is an effort bowler....
Unlike other countries we manufacture wickets to deny our own bowlers....

B: Short format game has ruined Shield cricket...too many park cricketers with poor techniques who cant transition to the longer format game.....Warner is one of the few who did.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 31, 2018, 11:06:21 am
... and Langer sticks with Finch for sydney  >:(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 31, 2018, 11:57:12 am
It is now too late to radically change the side. Pity, as the side is in need of radical changes.

[1] Our batsmen are averaging less than the bowlers. That is the sort of thing that loses games, and it has.
(a) Finch should not be opening. He hasn't opened for Victoria for a number of years now. Now his form is shot, he looks to be one of the first ready to be dropped. With his present average this series, he should be dropped. But playing him further down the list could have delivered results at least as good.
(b) Head appears to have some idea, but he gets out too easily. Mentally weak at the moment. He isn't that bad a spin bowler either, yet he hasn't had a decent spell.
His present numbers do not deserve a game, but he may in the future.
(c) Harris has disappointed. I think he may have a future, but his present batting is not deserving of a spot.
(d) Shaun Marsh's performances are borderline at best. he makes runs just often enough to keep in the team. But I think test cricket has passed him by. We need someone with his father's mental strength. Both of Geoff's sons have more natural talent than he did, but neither has even half his application and mental strength. Pity, as but they have been given a lot of chances that other guys simply couldn't get.
(e) Mitch Marsh: I think his bowling in the last game was better than it has been in quite some time. The only problem with that was that he was wicket-less. :( His batting: he is a flat track bully. He can slaughter an ordinary attack on a flat deck. But he is not getting to play against ordinary attacks and the decks have not been what we either expect or require. Result? Mitch Marsh fails again. :(
(f) Usman Khawaja: coming back direct from injury set him up for failure. he played no warm up games and has struggled against one of the best attacks in the business.
For all that, he isn't that bad and probably has a future in the team for a little longer. But he was underdone and got smashed.
(g) Marnus Labuschagne will probably play in Sydney. He might have a future: I liked his spin bowling. His batting, on the other hand, is unlikely to succeed against such a good attack. But I can hope.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 31, 2018, 12:04:26 pm
[2] Our bowling:
Our bowling has a lot of potential. However, they don't seem to be making early breakthroughs. The numbers in the paper today are quite damning.
For all of that, I really do see our quicks as a potential positive. We need to have our guys bowling with as much discipline as the Indian quicks, who have bowled magnificently. I would also consider giving one or two of the other guys a game, as there are some quicks out there who could really make a difference: James Pattinson, Chris Tremaine and Scott Boland come to mind. There are others.

Nathan Lyon is our best performed finger spinner in history.
However, there are pitches where he could do with help. I like the idea of playing a leggie.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 31, 2018, 12:20:04 pm
[3] The Sheffield Shield:
We HAD the best domestic cricket setup in the world. But it is not getting the support it should.
(a) test Players almost never play shield games any more.
(b) with the number of talented guys in the 20:20 circuit, the number of guys coming back to the Shield is dropping off. Guys are lured by the megabucks.
Many players are being picked on potential instead of shield performances. We can afford maybe one, but we can't afford as many as we have.
(c) The BBL is nice entertainment, but it is not helping the technique of our bats or bowlers. In fact, our bowlers use a number of tricks in shorter formats that they simply appear to forget about in test cricket. Slower balls anyone?

[4] Drop In Pitches:
One of the main reasons for our recent cricketing demise is our inability to handle our own pitches. Other countries appear to modify their pitches to suit their side, but it has been years since we have been able to achieve that. Bouncy pitches are now a rarity and it isn't helping.
(a) Each state used to produce pitches that were quite predictable. WA and Qld produced pitches where it bounced and was fast. It was a major advantage, especially for the first two tests. Adelaide bounced well enough, but it was a batsman's strip. Sydney was the pitch for spinners.
Now each pitch is quite similar: low, slow, somewhat two paced and they don't break up much. These pitches don't help us and certainly keep our spin bowlers from developing.
The Kiwis have made an art of producing pitches that favour their attack and their results show they are on the right track.
(b) With our pitches we don't see a lot of the moving ball. Our bats play spin poorly, and don't handle the swinging ball that well. If we don't improve and soon, the Poms are going to slaughter us!
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 31, 2018, 12:21:46 pm
... and Langer sticks with Finch for sydney  >:(

They might s well give Finch a crack at playing where he should - at 5 or 6.

Khawja to open with Harris.

I'd have S Marsh at 3, Labuschagne at 4, Head at 5, Finch at 6 etc.

Personally, I wouldn't have picked Labuschagne....don't think he's ready or in good enough form.....averaging 28 at Shield level - he'll last 12 balls, if lucky. His bowling? Meh....

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=12452;type=tournament

Wade should get a go on form?

I'd plump for Stoinis or Henriques....and I'd happily drop Starc or Hazelwood for Tremain or Boland.....

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=12452;type=tournament

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 31, 2018, 12:28:24 pm
Henriques is an average shield player, bowls junk. Game has passed him.  Only got tests because he's from NSW.

Look to the future if we're picking on potential.

Renshaw  to open.   Burns into middle order.  Play Maxwell at six or Stains.

Piss off Finch and both the Marsh chumps.

Drop, I mean rest,  Starc and give somebody else a game.

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Post by: JonHenry on December 31, 2018, 01:54:04 pm
Henriques is an average shield player, bowls junk. Game has passed him.  Only got tests because he's from NSW.

Look to the future if we're picking on potential.

Renshaw  to open.   Burns into middle order.  Play Maxwell at six or Stains.

Piss off Finch and both the Marsh chumps.

Drop, I mean rest,  Starc and give somebody else a game.

I like the idea of selecting a few openers.
I would look at Burns, Renshaw and Doolan.
Drop Finch and M Marsh.
Openers generally have straighter bats.
I think we need to revert back to the mid to late eighties and pick tougher types that will hold up an end.
Players are just too use to giving away their wickets cheaply and the above have all played longer innings previously.
We don’t have a world class player until smith comes back so pick the toughest players we can and tell the rest of the country you will need to average 45+ to get a look in.

Oh and who ever increased B.B. cricket to 8 weeks should be shot
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Post by: Professer E on December 31, 2018, 02:07:53 pm
Langer dribbling off at the mouth again.

Finch is (a)  horribly out of form (b)  has a poor defensive technique he can't rely upon and (c)  his mindset is shot,  clear evidence being the get out shots he played in the last test.

I'm sure Aaron is working very hard Justin,  but it isn't working.  Time to give Aaron,  and the team, a break.
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Post by: Jack Burton on December 31, 2018, 02:40:53 pm
Just out of interest, I compared Marcus Harris after 6 innings with some of our best openers of recent times. After 6 innings:
Harris 177 runs at 29.5
Langer 172 at 28.7
Hayden 150 at 25.
By the way, Finch after 6 innings had 192 runs at 32. Now after 10 innings 278 at 27.8.
Not saying anyone is going to end up being as good as anyone else, but sometimes if you give blokes a go they can become great
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Post by: spf on December 31, 2018, 02:59:47 pm
If anyone is looking for the Sheffield Shield figures, use this to access that part of the site:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series?id=8043&sheffield-shield=

This is the stats section:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/1150086.html?view=records
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Post by: spf on December 31, 2018, 03:11:41 pm
You would have to say looking at the past two years, that Matthew Wade would have to be looked at again.

2017
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=12018;type=tournament

2018
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=12452;type=tournament

Pity Callum Ferguson has not made many runs of late. Could have been another Chris Rogers type career for us.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 31, 2018, 03:59:29 pm
Crikey, forgot all about Maxwell - should have been #6 from the get go.

He must have really pissed off some bigwigs at CA.

And Warne is dead on the money - the bowlers aren't doing their job - the opening two way out of form!
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Post by: laj on December 31, 2018, 06:11:40 pm
[2] Our bowling:
Our bowling has a lot of potential. However, they don't seem to be making early breakthroughs. The numbers in the paper today are quite damning.
For all of that, I really do see our quicks as a potential positive. We need to have our guys bowling with as much discipline as the Indian quicks, who have bowled magnificently. I would also consider giving one or two of the other guys a game, as there are some quicks out there who could really make a difference: James Pattinson, Chris Tremaine and Scott Boland come to mind. There are others.

Nathan Lyon is our best performed finger spinner in history.
However, there are pitches where he could do with help. I like the idea of playing a leggie.

Like to see Pattinson and Jhye Richardson get a run. Starc and Hazelwood aren't fully doing the job. Pattinson has 70 wickets from 17 Tests, @ 26.15, strike rate 48, as well as averaging 27.6 with the bat, higher than Mitch Marsh.

As for the batting, Khawaja to open, Kurtis Patterson to no.3, Burns in, drop Finch and M.Marsh
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 31, 2018, 06:32:06 pm
It is now too late to radically change the side. Pity, as the side is in need of radical changes.

[1] Our batsmen are averaging less than the bowlers. That is the sort of thing that loses games, and it has.
(a) Finch should not be opening. He hasn't opened for Victoria for a number of years now. Now his form is shot, he looks to be one of the first ready to be dropped. With his present average this series, he should be dropped. But playing him further down the list could have delivered results at least as good.
(b) Head appears to have some idea, but he gets out too easily. Mentally weak at the moment. He isn't that bad a spin bowler either, yet he hasn't had a decent spell.
His present numbers do not deserve a game, but he may in the future.
(c) Harris has disappointed. I think he may have a future, but his present batting is not deserving of a spot.
(d) Shaun Marsh's performances are borderline at best. he makes runs just often enough to keep in the team. But I think test cricket has passed him by. We need someone with his father's mental strength. Both of Geoff's sons have more natural talent than he did, but neither has even half his application and mental strength. Pity, as but they have been given a lot of chances that other guys simply couldn't get.
(e) Mitch Marsh: I think his bowling in the last game was better than it has been in quite some time. The only problem with that was that he was wicket-less. :( His batting: he is a flat track bully. He can slaughter an ordinary attack on a flat deck. But he is not getting to play against ordinary attacks and the decks have not been what we either expect or require. Result? Mitch Marsh fails again. :(
(f) Usman Khawaja: coming back direct from injury set him up for failure. he played no warm up games and has struggled against one of the best attacks in the business.
For all that, he isn't that bad and probably has a future in the team for a little longer. But he was underdone and got smashed.
(g) Marnus Labuschagne will probably play in Sydney. He might have a future: I liked his spin bowling. His batting, on the other hand, is unlikely to succeed against such a good attack. But I can hope.

Harris has looked the part but just hasn't gone on. worth persisting with though. Head's done ok but too often goes out to the $hit shot, actually, done that every innings. He's frustrating but at 25yo has a future. Again, hasn't gone on. Khawaja is certainly ok. S.Marsh, like you said, has done just enough with a 60 and two 40s but not going on.

Batting has been terrible, yet if they weren't trash in the First Test we are up 2-1 given we lost by only 31 runs. Didn't even need to be good, just better.

Also, don't want to see the toss deciding games. The pitch was a slow road for two days, near impossible to get wickets, hence on 5 fell in that time. After that it played horrible trick hence 15 wickets fell on the 3rd day and India declared at 8/106 on the 4th.

If we had Smith and Warner we'd have the series won, think that's obvious. If they didn't have Kohli and Pujara they'd be down 3-0.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 31, 2018, 08:21:43 pm
Harris has looked the part but just hasn't gone on. worth persisting with though. Head's done ok but too often goes out to the $hit shot, actually, done that every innings. He's frustrating but at 25yo has a future. Again, hasn't gone on. Khawaja is certainly ok. S.Marsh, like you said, has done just enough with a 60 and two 40s but not going on.

Batting has been terrible, yet if they weren't trash in the First Test we are up 2-1 given we lost by only 31 runs. Didn't even need to be good, just better.

Also, don't want to see the toss deciding games. The pitch was a slow road for two days, near impossible to get wickets, hence on 5 fell in that time. After that it played horrible trick hence 15 wickets fell on the 3rd day and India declared at 8/106 on the 4th.

If we had Smith and Warner we'd have the series won, think that's obvious. If they didn't have Kohli and Pujara they'd be down 3-0.

Our pace bowlers do nothing with the ball...best quicks in the world are Rabada, Abbas and probably Bumrah...they all can swing and seam the new and old ball, once the shine is off and the ball softens ours are next to useless, sure we dont help them with our pitch preparation but you have to be able to move the ball on dead wickets and thats the hallmark of the great bowlers.
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Post by: sandsmere on December 31, 2018, 08:56:28 pm
Our pace bowlers do nothing with the ball...best quicks in the world are Rabada, Abbas and probably Bumrah...they all can swing and seam the new and old ball, once the shine is off and the ball softens ours are next to useless, sure we dont help them with our pitch preparation but you have to be able to move the ball on dead wickets and thats the hallmark of the great bowlers.

Pat Cummins doesn't do much with the ball ???

Still managed to take 9 wickets in 45 overs though.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 31, 2018, 09:10:36 pm
Pat Cummins doesn't do much with the ball ???

Still managed to take 9 wickets in 45 overs though.

Cummins is an effort bowler, he digs it in, intimidates and is an enforcer and you need one of those in every team for sure.
But you wouldnt call Cummins a traditional swing bowler who bowls big out swingers or reverse swings it with the old ball.
If you have watched Rabada, Abbas and Bumrah they are swinging the ball both ways or in Bumrahs case bowling inswingers then the big leg cutter.
Abbas isnt even quick and rarely bounces batsman but he is always at you doing a bit each way, never seen a bowler hit the pads as often as Abbas or make batsman
play as much.

We dont have that genuine swing/consistent seamer in the team.......if Pattinson could stay on the park he could be the man
or maybe Mennie/Worral from SA. We need more subtlety than just three big quicks banging the ball in to the track....add M.Marsh who does nothing with the ball either.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 31, 2018, 10:45:50 pm
Pattinson is a point of difference with his away movement at pace.  

Hazelwood and Starc need to do a lot more with the pill,  although Josh at least  has accuracy going for him. Josh is more a defensive style of bowler.

Sayers and Behrendorff move the ball around a lot,  especially Sayers. He has to be considered for England.

The dead pitches we serve up have rendered Hazelwood's bowling pedestrian. His height and pace are mitigated by this.   Even still,  he doesn't look likely to run through a side.   I like him but can't see him causing problems for India in Sydney.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 01, 2019, 10:11:35 am
Our pace bowlers do nothing with the ball...best quicks in the world are Rabada, Abbas and probably Bumrah...they all can swing and seam the new and old ball, once the shine is off and the ball softens ours are next to useless, sure we dont help them with our pitch preparation but you have to be able to move the ball on dead wickets and thats the hallmark of the great bowlers.

This might be part of it:
The Australian- Peter Lalor
India’s pace bowlers produced reverse swing in the Boxing Day Test match, but Australia’s have little hope of finding it as they operate under a strict new policy after the ball-tampering scandal in South Africa.

The team struggled to find an acceptable level of aggression on the field in the matches that followed the incident, but appears to have found a way since Tim Paine stood up to Virat Kohli in Perth.

An acceptable level of ball maintenance is yet to be discovered.
That department was once run by David Warner and was successful in getting the ball into a state where reverse would offer assistance after the shine was gone from the new ball. Mitchell Starc was particularly effective when the ball started to misbehave, never more so than in the team’s first win in South Africa

Warner was celebrated by the team for the work he did and fielders were under strict instructions not to sweat on the ball or damage its shined side — both negate reverse swing.

Umpires in first-class cricket were spoken to ahead of the season by Cricket Australia and have passed on a message to all state teams that they are closely monitoring the ball this season.

Teams were told the person who shines the ball cannot have chewing gum or mints in their mouth at the time. There has also been a crackdown on bouncing the ball into the centre strip.

All sides use mints to polish the ball and the practice of throwing the ball into the rough on return is common, but frowned upon.

The wicket area in the first two Tests was well grassed, which made it almost impossible to get the ball roughed up enough to reverse, but India’s seamers had it going at the MCG while Australia’s did not.

Statistics published by Cricinfo indicate just how much better the visitors have been with the older ball.

The Indian quicks have taken 15 wickets at an average of 22 runs after the 41st over, while the Australians have just six at 46. The Australians take a wicket every 100 deliveries with the ball in that period, the Indians need only half as many.

Last year against England, Australia took 19 wickets at an average of 30 in the same period.

In an exclusive column for News Corp, captain Tim Paine acknowledged that his side was tentative about ball maintenance. “We accept there is no margin for error for us,” he said.

“We have to be spot-on with everything we do with the ball and we will be.

“We will be watched closely as we were in Dubai. Every time the ball went around in the field the spotlight was on us.”

Paine indicated before the series in the UAE that ball maintenance, which had once been the subject of meetings and endless discussions, would be handed back to the bowlers.

“They have taken a bit more ownership of the ball and obviously they’ve got to bowl with it,” Paine said at the time.

“I think it’s a good idea. We’ll have some guys holding it a bit more while the bowlers are bowling and they’re traditionally going to be sweating a bit more.

“In cricket teams I’ve been in, the bowlers tend to be pushed to the side and the batters take over the ball.

“We’ve spoken to our quicks. We’ve got ‘Starcy’ (Mitchell Starc) and ‘Sidds’ (Peter Siddle), who are really experienced, they know exactly what they want to do and it’s up to the rest of us to support them.”

Achieving reverse swing almost became an arms race in South Africa with both sides accusing the other of ball-tampering almost from the first day.

Starc’s bowling in Durban was the difference in the first match. The seamer took five wickets in a session on day two and three in an over on day four when the ball began to reverse.

“Very rarely do you see it happen day one, first session (like it did in Durban),” then-coach Darren Lehmann said after that game. “Obviously, there are techniques used by both sides to get the ball to reverse and that’s just the way the game goes. I have no problems with it. I don’t mind the ball moving.”

The South Africans, who had received penalties for ball-tampering in previous years, resolved to be better with their ball maintenance in the second Test and were.

“There was a real difference in skill with the reverse swing,” captain Faf du Plessis said. “Starc reverse swings the ball at pace and the only (similar) weapon we have right now is Kagiso (Rabada).”

New coach Justin Langer promised when he came into the job that ball-tampering would not occur on his watch.

“My honest view is it’s an international problem,” Langer told former Test teammate Adam Gilchrist in a Fox Cricket interview.

“But I can’t for a single second understand how we took sandpaper out on to the field. That doesn’t make any sense to me.

“The issue with people ball-tampering is something that’s going on internationally, and that’s a real worry.

“We’ve got to get the pitches right around the world so that the ball does move, whether it spins or swings. But to go to the point we did was a huge mistake.”

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 01, 2019, 12:20:54 pm
This might be part of it:
The Australian- Peter Lalor
India’s pace bowlers produced reverse swing in the Boxing Day Test match, but Australia’s have little hope of finding it as they operate under a strict new policy after the ball-tampering scandal in South Africa.

You or Lalor must be racist! ;D ;)

This is such a der-Fred argument I find it amazing it has any traction, trying to hold the other teams to account is like arguing the Earth is flat! It's almost as naive as thinking if Carlton keeps it's head down and plays hard and fair it will have success!

One of the biggest problems we have is that the Australia cricket media a crap scared of being labelled racist, so they won't put the Indian players under the same scrutiny as the Saffie media put Australia. They want the Indian Rupees too much, and they are prepared to bend over to get them! :O

But it's not just the media, right through this test the Indian bowlers continue to over-step the crease and not be called for no-balls. So the umpires and match officials fear them as well. None of those officials want to be exposed on their next tour of the sub-continent, they fear for their lives and the integrity of the game is not worth their life! The Indian players, BCCI, media and officials are happy to play that racial discrimination card if not deliberately then by indifference, yet we are labelled racists if we highlight an Indian player breaking a rule, while almost every controversial on field action of Kohli panders to racism!

It's such a double standard, and the Saffies happily leverage that because they are labelled racist anyway so they don't care about getting another label.

Australia is to Test Cricket, what Carlton is to AFL!

Carlton should learn from the Saffies, and Australian cricket needs to grow some balls!

If you think this isn't institutionalised, take the look at the ICC official assessment of the MCG pitch after India's victory, now it's all OK! Can you imagine that being the case if India had lost?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 01, 2019, 12:46:04 pm
Pattinson is a point of difference with his away movement at pace.  

Hazelwood and Starc need to do a lot more with the pill,  although Josh at least  has accuracy going for him. Josh is more a defensive style of bowler.

Sayers and Behrendorff move the ball around a lot,  especially Sayers. He has to be considered for England.

The dead pitches we serve up have rendered Hazelwood's bowling pedestrian. His height and pace are mitigated by this.   Even still,  he doesn't look likely to run through a side.   I like him but can't see him causing problems for India in Sydney.

I like both Sayers and Behrendorff but both have been injured and the latter is injury prone.....
Hazlewood bowls a lot of no play balls.....one of the reason Bumrah has been successful is he is at the stumps and even when he isnt you are not sure if the ball is coming back in or not.
I think with Hazlewood you can play him on line alone as he doesnt get much movement so anything not on the stumps is just going to be let go...he bowls a lot of maiden's  and is economical but for me thats because the batsman are letting the ball go so often..I probably prefer Pattinson for that reason as he swings the ball away, is more proactive with his attack on the batsman and is looking to take take wickets rather than fustrate batsman. Players like Pujara need bowling out rather than waiting for a bad shot and I feel Hazlewood bowls for the bad shot only.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on January 01, 2019, 01:05:07 pm
Best summary of Hazlewood I have read. Question is, do we take him to the Ashes in England where the Duke ball will move around a bit off the deck? Personally I'd prefer Siddle for that role, but then Hazlewood is from NSW...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2019, 02:24:58 pm
This might be part of it:
The Australian- Peter Lalor
India’s pace bowlers produced reverse swing in the Boxing Day Test match, but Australia’s have little hope of finding it as they operate under a strict new policy after the ball-tampering scandal in South Africa.

The team struggled to find an acceptable level of aggression on the field in the matches that followed the incident, but appears to have found a way since Tim Paine stood up to Virat Kohli in Perth.

An acceptable level of ball maintenance is yet to be discovered.
That department was once run by David Warner and was successful in getting the ball into a state where reverse would offer assistance after the shine was gone from the new ball. Mitchell Starc was particularly effective when the ball started to misbehave, never more so than in the team’s first win in South Africa

Warner was celebrated by the team for the work he did and fielders were under strict instructions not to sweat on the ball or damage its shined side — both negate reverse swing.

Umpires in first-class cricket were spoken to ahead of the season by Cricket Australia and have passed on a message to all state teams that they are closely monitoring the ball this season.

Teams were told the person who shines the ball cannot have chewing gum or mints in their mouth at the time. There has also been a crackdown on bouncing the ball into the centre strip.

All sides use mints to polish the ball and the practice of throwing the ball into the rough on return is common, but frowned upon.

The wicket area in the first two Tests was well grassed, which made it almost impossible to get the ball roughed up enough to reverse, but India’s seamers had it going at the MCG while Australia’s did not.

Statistics published by Cricinfo indicate just how much better the visitors have been with the older ball.

The Indian quicks have taken 15 wickets at an average of 22 runs after the 41st over, while the Australians have just six at 46. The Australians take a wicket every 100 deliveries with the ball in that period, the Indians need only half as many.

Last year against England, Australia took 19 wickets at an average of 30 in the same period.

In an exclusive column for News Corp, captain Tim Paine acknowledged that his side was tentative about ball maintenance. “We accept there is no margin for error for us,” he said.

“We have to be spot-on with everything we do with the ball and we will be.

“We will be watched closely as we were in Dubai. Every time the ball went around in the field the spotlight was on us.”

Paine indicated before the series in the UAE that ball maintenance, which had once been the subject of meetings and endless discussions, would be handed back to the bowlers.

“They have taken a bit more ownership of the ball and obviously they’ve got to bowl with it,” Paine said at the time.

“I think it’s a good idea. We’ll have some guys holding it a bit more while the bowlers are bowling and they’re traditionally going to be sweating a bit more.

“In cricket teams I’ve been in, the bowlers tend to be pushed to the side and the batters take over the ball.

“We’ve spoken to our quicks. We’ve got ‘Starcy’ (Mitchell Starc) and ‘Sidds’ (Peter Siddle), who are really experienced, they know exactly what they want to do and it’s up to the rest of us to support them.”

Achieving reverse swing almost became an arms race in South Africa with both sides accusing the other of ball-tampering almost from the first day.

Starc’s bowling in Durban was the difference in the first match. The seamer took five wickets in a session on day two and three in an over on day four when the ball began to reverse.

“Very rarely do you see it happen day one, first session (like it did in Durban),” then-coach Darren Lehmann said after that game. “Obviously, there are techniques used by both sides to get the ball to reverse and that’s just the way the game goes. I have no problems with it. I don’t mind the ball moving.”

The South Africans, who had received penalties for ball-tampering in previous years, resolved to be better with their ball maintenance in the second Test and were.

“There was a real difference in skill with the reverse swing,” captain Faf du Plessis said. “Starc reverse swings the ball at pace and the only (similar) weapon we have right now is Kagiso (Rabada).”

New coach Justin Langer promised when he came into the job that ball-tampering would not occur on his watch.

“My honest view is it’s an international problem,” Langer told former Test teammate Adam Gilchrist in a Fox Cricket interview.

“But I can’t for a single second understand how we took sandpaper out on to the field. That doesn’t make any sense to me.

“The issue with people ball-tampering is something that’s going on internationally, and that’s a real worry.

“We’ve got to get the pitches right around the world so that the ball does move, whether it spins or swings. But to go to the point we did was a huge mistake.”

Poms had it "right" in 2005. Murray's Mints on the shiny side of the ball throughout the series won it for them. That invariably works better than scrubbing up the rough side. Like putting tape on a tennis ball. Sandpaper did such a "good" job that the umpire didn't feel need to even change the ball. It ended up a waste of time and caused a huge pile of $hit.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2019, 02:30:25 pm
I like both Sayers and Behrendorff but both have been injured and the latter is injury prone.....
Hazlewood bowls a lot of no play balls.....one of the reason Bumrah has been successful is he is at the stumps and even when he isnt you are not sure if the ball is coming back in or not.
I think with Hazlewood you can play him on line alone as he doesnt get much movement so anything not on the stumps is just going to be let go...he bowls a lot of maiden's  and is economical but for me thats because the batsman are letting the ball go so often..I probably prefer Pattinson for that reason as he swings the ball away, is more proactive with his attack on the batsman and is looking to take take wickets rather than fustrate batsman. Players like Pujara need bowling out rather than waiting for a bad shot and I feel Hazlewood bowls for the bad shot only.....

Yes, I'd like to see Cummins, Pattinson and J.Richardson. Pattinson swings it at pace and attacks while Richardson is a bowler that skids on at 145k. Gives us a point of difference between each bowler. Starc can have his great moments but can't always apply pressure. Hazelwood isn't doing quite enough and hasn't for a couple of series. Cummins and Pattinson are very close to being all rounders, Pattinson's batting Test average is 27.6 from 17 Tests. One benefit of alot of injury, you have way more time to work on your batting.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 01, 2019, 03:04:38 pm
Adding to the above.... I agree that the Australians are so scared at being accused of something they wont even shine the bloody ball, so forget swing of any kind. And that's a clear disadvantage.

Where are the umpires in all this?    They should be checking the ball every over.   Any undue change in condition and its " come here captain.... ".

Meanwhile the Jaapies' media had cameras fixated on Warner trying to catch him out in the last tour.   We MUST do the same almost as a standard practice as I am very,  very suspicious when one side gets reverse swing and the other doesn't, especially on non abrasive drop in pitches.

Faf should have been expelled for his mint trick. Everybody and his dog knew what he was doing - the man's a cheat.

If the Indians - or anybody else-gets caught out theyll need an armed exit to the Airport. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2019, 03:19:15 pm
Adding to the above.... I agree that the Australians are so scared at being accused of something they wont even shine the bloody ball, so forget swing of any kind. And that's a clear disadvantage.

Where are the umpires in all this?    They should be checking the ball every over.   Any undue change in condition and its " come here captain.... ".

Meanwhile the Jaapies' media had cameras fixated on Warner trying to catch him out in the last tour.   We MUST do the same almost as a standard practice as I am very,  very suspicious when one side gets reverse swing and the other doesn't, especially on non abrasive drop in pitches.

Faf should have been expelled for his mint trick. Everybody and his dog knew what he was doing - the man's a cheat.

If the Indians - or anybody else-gets caught out theyll need an armed exit to the Airport.

Faf's first offence was worse. Had a zipper sewn into his pocket. As bad a sandpaper.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 01, 2019, 03:39:09 pm
Faf's first offence was worse. Had a zipper sewn into his pocket. As bad a sandpaper.

much, much worse....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 01, 2019, 06:21:46 pm
I agree,  the zipper one is at the top end of offending  I reckon.  Clearly premeditated, should have been rubbed out for life.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 01, 2019, 09:18:03 pm
Watching BBL tonight.

When you see Stoinis in this mindset it's hard to see how he gets overlooked, especially for Marsh.

Others bash the ball, Stoinis is playing clean cricket shots with ultimate power.

The other thing was watching Pattinson today, miss his bowling, pity because at the moment he doesn't look confident in his body bowling and still looked a cut above the others.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 01, 2019, 10:47:13 pm
When Stoinis gets his head fully back into the game he is going to be a very good player. 

What did you think of his bowling LP?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 02, 2019, 11:25:23 am
When Stoinis gets his head fully back into the game he is going to be a very good player. 

What did you think of his bowling LP?

I think Marsh is probably a better bowler if he is actually bowling to his ability and not injured or limited in overs, but he has fallen well short at test level and had plenty of chances. He is basically being used as a chop-out only and even when he is fit he rarely bowls more than a dozen overs. We effectively already have Starc and Cummins as bowling all-rounders, so I think we need a batting all-rounder and to me Marsh fails at that dismally.

I think batting and fielding Stoinis is ahead of Marsh, he values his wicket, Marsh is more like Maxwell all or nothing. Stoinis is OK as a bowler, perhaps even a bit quicker than Marsh now as Marsh has lost a bit, and I think Stoinis is better suited to holding down an end than Marsh.

I'd have Maxwell and Stoinis as the rotating all-rounder well ahead of Marsh.

A big question, given exposed potential, why the feck isn't CA turning over heaven and earth to get Maxwell sorted? It's like Carlton signing Dominator and then saying he's just too much hard work!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 02, 2019, 06:22:09 pm
Finch and M Marsh out.

Unfortunately Lauberschagne and Handscomb back.

Crazy that we won’t try some new blood
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 02, 2019, 06:59:14 pm
Finch and M Marsh out.

Unfortunately Lauberschagne and Handscomb back.

Crazy that we won’t try some new blood

Who will open...Harris and ???........

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 02, 2019, 07:40:48 pm
Who will open...Harris and ???........

Handscomb back - insanity.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on January 02, 2019, 08:30:24 pm
Who will open...Harris and ???........

Kawaja
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Sexybronco on January 02, 2019, 10:10:00 pm
Handscomb back - insanity.

He looked totally lost in the first 2 tests, can't belief a good T20 innings is good enough to convince the selectors he has sorted it all out. Having said that I wish him all the best as he has some ticker!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 02, 2019, 11:00:31 pm
The other young bloke to bat at 3 is equally nuts - Langer is just rolling dice....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 02, 2019, 11:31:19 pm
Kawaja

Looking at the options you are probably right......if Ashwin plays he might be 1st change....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 02, 2019, 11:32:23 pm
The other young bloke to bat at 3 is equally nuts - Langer is just rolling dice....

How has Justin Langer become the messiah of Australian cricket?
FMD he is the coach, selector, and effectively captain.
Clearly is all over the place with his thinking.
Yesterday Finch was a very good player, today he’s out.
Now this poor kid had to bat 3.
Why not put S Marsh up to open?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on January 03, 2019, 10:41:14 am
It really is comedy capers with the selectors now - it's embarrassing. Hohns and Chappell should walk the plank at the end of this series. Dropping Marsh and Finch are both admissions of failures that blind freddy could see coming - Finch isn't even a domestic level opener, and Marsh STILL isn't good enough at either batting or bowling to hold his place at test level. But every man and his dog knew that already.

So we replace them with Labuschagne - who hasn't proved himself capable of converting good starts at domestic level to bat 3! And we move our best performed batsman from 3 to open to make this happen. And then we add in Handscomb who hasn't looked like scoring a run in the 2 tests he played, instead of trying Burns or Maxwell and give them a crack.

You seriously couldn't make this stuff up. And these blokes are paid to this? Chappell is the prime architect of the demise of our batting stocks and he somehow remains as a selector??
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 03, 2019, 11:21:03 am
It really is comedy capers with the selectors now - it's embarrassing. Hohns and Chappell should walk the plank at the end of this series. Dropping Marsh and Finch are both admissions of failures that blind freddy could see coming - Finch isn't even a domestic level opener, and Marsh STILL isn't good enough at either batting or bowling to hold his place at test level. But every man and his dog knew that already.

So we replace them with Labuschagne - who hasn't proved himself capable of converting good starts at domestic level to bat 3! And we move our best performed batsman from 3 to open to make this happen. And then we add in Handscomb who hasn't looked like scoring a run in the 2 tests he played, instead of trying Burns or Maxwell and give them a crack.

You seriously couldn't make this stuff up. And these blokes are paid to this? Chappell is the prime architect of the demise of our batting stocks and he somehow remains as a selector??

Maybe the selectors are getting paid by the BCCI?  ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 03, 2019, 11:23:59 am
Check out the commentary today.

In Melbourne it was the pitch, the batsmen, pretty much everything except the bowlers.

Now Slater and McGrath and others are commentating at their beloved SCG it's all the bowlers fault!

Too much influence from the commentators/broadcasters, it's an old boys club and it affects selection policy!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on January 03, 2019, 11:59:12 am
Maybe the selectors are getting paid by the BCCI?  ;D
Maybe it was part of Chappell's termination payment from the BCCI - come back to Australia and be welcomed back with open arms and then proceed to f*ck up Australian cricket over the next 10 years with your stupid ideas and dogmatic approach. Do such a bad job that CA will promote you to a selector and then you can reek even more havoc on the game......

It's the only logical answer - he's working for the other guys! But seriously, what's he ever done as a coach / administrator that was a resounding success?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 03, 2019, 01:02:04 pm
Slater.... Can't see him being invited into MENSA anytime soon.

Gees it would be nice to win a toss.

Still don't understand what Maxwell and Doolan  have done wrong. Let's pick a bloke with a horrid technique and a kid who is years off being ready.   Oh well,  at least we should chase field competently.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 03, 2019, 04:12:34 pm
Ed Cowan gave the selectors another serve on the wireless today.  He is dumbstruck over the inclusion of Labuschagne and Handscomb and wants to know if anyone thinks that they are the next two best cricketers at the moment.

His most telling point was that our Test team should be a meritocracy and it is far from that  >:(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 03, 2019, 06:15:30 pm
Ed Cowan gave the selectors another serve on the wireless today.  He is dumbstruck over the inclusion of Labuschagne and Handscomb and wants to know if anyone thinks that they are the next two best cricketers at the moment.

His most telling point was that our Test team should be a meritocracy and it is far from that  >:(

Maxwell is a better bat than all bar Khawaja....and the latter ain't in form.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 03, 2019, 10:03:29 pm
Bowling was pededtrian today,  especially early.   As others have said,  not enough balls on tight lines.   Not enough looking for the LB on bats propping forward.   Off cutter/in dicker is an easy ball to bowl and a good ploy on dead pitches.  Then again our crew are like lightning,  can't hit the sane spot twice.

If  Labusgne, or whatever his name is, is either in the top 50 bats or spinners in the country,  I'm Dutch.   He needs time, a lot of game time at first class level.   Idiotic decision,  now the kid will get burned by being picked before his time.

A lot of criminally bad selection decisions have been made,  starting in the UAE.  There is a common factor.... If you're not on notice Langer you bloody well should be.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 04, 2019, 12:29:57 am
Bowling was pededtrian today,  especially early.   As others have said,  not enough balls on tight lines.   Not enough looking for the LB on bats propping forward.   Off cutter/in dicker is an easy ball to bowl and a good ploy on dead pitches.  Then again our crew are like lightning,  can't hit the sane spot twice.

If  Labusgne, or whatever his name is, is either in the top 50 bats or spinners in the country,  I'm Dutch.   He needs time, a lot of game time at first class level.   Idiotic decision,  now the kid will get burned by being picked before his time.

A lot of criminally bad selection decisions have been made,  starting in the UAE.  There is a common factor.... If you're not on notice Langer you bloody well should be.

He got appointed - therein lies the problem.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 04, 2019, 09:00:58 am
Too much attention on Langer - Hohns is a bigger problem  >:(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 04, 2019, 11:50:29 am
Watching the bowling,  Starc has issues,  he's cooked mentally and physically.  Shadow of the bowler he was,  shouldn't have played this test.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 04, 2019, 12:10:42 pm
One thing that has struck me this series is the importance of winning the toss.  In fact, you could save a lot of time by simply awarding the Test to the team that wins the toss (although Paine was going to bowl in Perth  :o)

I reckon that it would be fairer if there was a coin toss for the first Test only.  Teams would then take it in turn to decide whether to bat or bowl in the subsequent Tests.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 04, 2019, 01:08:38 pm
In the old days the pitches gave the side bowling first some assistance, but they had to bat last on a deteriorating wicket. That was the trade off.

Now lose the toss:  perfect batting conditions  nothing to assist the bowlers,  then the pitches will deteriorate for the spinners.  Couldnt have designed pitches to suit India more,  and us less.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 04, 2019, 02:03:16 pm
Watching the bowling,  Starc has issues,  he's cooked mentally and physically.  Shadow of the bowler he was,  shouldn't have played this test.

Agreed, going at 4.5 an over.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 04, 2019, 03:41:28 pm
Old Marnus would want to have a good test with the bat because his much vaunted bowling has been underwhelming to say the least.   So much half track she-it that we can't risk bowling him.

Explain this one Trev.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 04, 2019, 03:43:56 pm
Watching the bowling,  Starc has issues,  he's cooked mentally and physically.  Shadow of the bowler he was,  shouldn't have played this test.

That must be due to the MCG pitch! ;)

Not even Dhoni has scored a ton in Australia before, our bowlers are so over-rated, they bowl terrific balls surrounded by crap overs! :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 04, 2019, 04:08:48 pm
This pitch is so slow and lifeless it makes the MCG pitch  look sporting.  It is the rankest pitch possible.    Fair dinkum, it is coming off so poorly that after it lands Pant has time to walk across, wait for it and place it with impunity.

We should,  I write should, be able to bat for five days on this deck.   Any spin, bounce or reverse swing and I'd be checking the pill for "unnatural damage".  Any movement at all and I'd be very suspicious.

Marnus is a captain's nightmare... Half trackers,  pitches all over the shop - one outside leg,  next a foot outside off etc,   haven't seen any real turn and no wrong 'un.  Can't see why he was picked.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 04, 2019, 04:27:14 pm
Nice umpiring that.   Hopefully rub of the green goes both ways.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 04, 2019, 04:29:50 pm
Marnus is a captain's nightmare... Half trackers,  pitches all over the shop - one outside leg,  next a foot outside off etc,   haven't seen any real turn and no wrong 'un.  Can't see why he was picked.

Politics?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 04, 2019, 04:51:09 pm
Certainly isn't merit.

Whatever instructions have been given to Cummins should be ignored as well.   He's better than being told to bowl short sh1t.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 04, 2019, 05:10:33 pm
Politics?

Politics?
More about Greg Chappell’s obsession with youth.
James Sutherland has slithered out of all this without anywhere near enough blame.
Should have been moved on a decade ago.

Greg Chappell is 70 years old, Trevor Hohns is 64.
Surely we have better options!!!

How does Peter Siddle get selected for the ODI side?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on January 04, 2019, 06:25:48 pm
India is a great team, but we have some major problems and this series has been an unmitigated disaster.  From pitches to team selections to coaches, to the entire chaos with the differing fixtures, it is a dog's breakfast
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 04, 2019, 06:32:32 pm
This pitch is so slow and lifeless it makes the MCG pitch  look sporting.  It is the rankest pitch possible.    Fair dinkum, it is coming off so poorly that after it lands Pant has time to walk across, wait for it and place it with impunity.

We should,  I write should, be able to bat for five days on this deck.   Any spin, bounce or reverse swing and I'd be checking the pill for "unnatural damage".  Any movement at all and I'd be very suspicious.

Marnus is a captain's nightmare... Half trackers,  pitches all over the shop - one outside leg,  next a foot outside off etc,   haven't seen any real turn and no wrong 'un.  Can't see why he was picked.


Starc gave it away today, he couldnt be bothered, I believe he and the wife Alyssa Healy have more interest in their property portfolio and have just added another property once owned by Jen Hawkins for close to 2 mill.
I dont expect him to stay in test cricket too long and maybe concentrate on the shorter formats of the game where he can make good money and continue adding to his investments.
India's bowlers already look like the wicket will suit them more...they have the three spinners and can use Bumrah/Shami in short spells...like the look of their chinaman bowler too...he can land them on line unlike Marnus who is very part time and you couldnt really call an allrounder..

India look so much better with Jadeja at No 8 and I reckon plenty of teams will struggle knocking them over cheaply with him and Pant coming in down the order...wicket keeping needs work but Pant has to be one of the better keeper/bats in world cricket....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 04, 2019, 06:48:26 pm
Made it to stumps safe thanks to Pant shelling a sitter.   Khawaja is struggling to middle it,  doesn't look in great touch.  Hopefully a good night's sleep, feet start moving and the other mob can enjoy chasing leather for six or so sessions.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 05, 2019, 08:42:04 am
we'll lose by an innings....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on January 05, 2019, 10:09:38 am
we'll lose by an innings....
I wish I could say that you were wrong. However, with our present batting issues and low levels of confidence, it is not out of the question at all.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on January 05, 2019, 11:06:27 am
we'll lose by an innings....

Would not surprise me at all. :(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 05, 2019, 12:40:16 pm
Forty overs in and Bumrah is reverse swinging it.   How comes to mind.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 05, 2019, 01:50:36 pm
Shaun Marsh being consistent.   Consistently hopeless.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Baggers on January 05, 2019, 01:57:57 pm
I'm a little slow, I need reminding as to why S Marsh is in the side.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 05, 2019, 02:09:14 pm
Can't help you there mate,  he's a lazy batsman with poor concentration levels and gets out in silly,  soft ways.

Three of the dismissals have been just poor batting, stupid errors which is why our blokes don't go with it.   Our blokes simply can't concentrate for long enough.   Khawaja committed suicide,  Harris changed his shot and Marsh didn't move and let himself get nailed on the crease.

Wait long enough and our blokes get themselves out.

The ball that Marnus just lifted to mid on (he batted well I thought)  swung appreciably from Shami.

I ask again.... How on earth are these blokes getting it to move so much and so consistently?   They must be diddling with the pill I reckon.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 05, 2019, 03:07:01 pm
More fy+*,$g idiotic stuff from (d!ck) Head.   Chuck your wicket away  minutes away from a potential weather break.

Retarded batting. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 05, 2019, 03:11:08 pm
Can't help you there mate,  he's a lazy batsman with poor concentration levels and gets out in silly,  soft ways.

Three of the dismissals have been just poor batting, stupid errors which is why our blokes don't go with it.   Our blokes simply can't concentrate for long enough.   Khawaja committed suicide,  Harris changed his shot and Marsh didn't move and let himself get nailed on the crease.

Wait long enough and our blokes get themselves out.

The ball that Marnus just lifted to mid on (he batted well I thought)  swung appreciably from Shami.

I ask again.... How on earth are these blokes getting it to move so much and so consistently?   They must be diddling with the pill I reckon.

The wireless commentary is very informative with Nannes and Clarke analysing the bowling.  Their take is that the Indians have greater seam discipline and consistently bowl the right length and at the stumps.  They rarely bowl bouncers and that means it has shock value, as in the ball that nearly pinned Head.

As for Lambuschagne’s dismissal, Nannes and Cowan agreed that they could see it unfolding and he was too inexperienced to see the trap.  Cowan reckons he’s going to be a good player but needs to learn the craft at first class level before being thrown into Test cricket.

Dean Jones has joined the queue to smack the selectors in today’s Age:

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I loved it when Justin Langer was selected as head coach of the Australian team. Langer said he was only going to reward players with national selection when and if they had earned that opportunity.  Players who live up to the standards of what it takes to be an Australian cricketer. It was music to my ears.

Well, please talk me through selections for the past couple of Tests?

Our national selection panel is Trevor Hohns, Greg Chappell and Langer and all three surely will be under notice by the new Cricket Australia administration. I firmly believe the selections have made this one of the weakest Australian Test teams I have seen and, while I truly hope they can rub my noses in this assessment, I doubt it very much.

You don’t need to have 20-plus Tests next to your name to become a good selector. It’s just a matter of knowing the correct game plan, selecting the right players to carry out that plan and having an eye for talent.

Also, I feel it’s only right that you pick players who are in some semblance of form. If they can’t play well in the Sheffield Shield, what hope have they got against the No. 1 Test team in the world?

It’s all about getting the balance right within a team. The perfect balance for a Test team would be four-five senior players, four-five intermediate players and one-two new guys.
...

SHEFFIELD SHIELD BATTING AVERAGES
(Players in bold have played for Australian Test team this summer)

Steve Smith 51.79
Usman Khawaja 50.07
Glenn Maxwell 44.15
Matthew Wade 43.11
Joe Burns 43.11
David Warner 42.94
Shaun Marsh 41.59
Kurt Patterson 41.48
Peter Nevill 40.73
Peter Handscomb 40.13
Daniel Hughes 39.76
Hilton Cartwright 39.50
Callum Ferguson 38.87
Cameron Bancroft 38.83
George Bailey 38.49
Jake Lehmann 38.39
Matt Renshaw 38.13
Travis Head 36.08
Marcus Harris 35.32
Marnus Labuschagne 33.88
Aaron Finch 31.08
Mitchell Marsh 28.02
Tim Paine 27.79
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on January 05, 2019, 03:14:03 pm
Just enforce the follow on and put us out of our misery.  Channel 7 must be thrilled with the ratings
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 05, 2019, 05:49:09 pm
Can't help you there mate,  he's a lazy batsman with poor concentration levels and gets out in silly,  soft ways.

Three of the dismissals have been just poor batting, stupid errors which is why our blokes don't go with it.   Our blokes simply can't concentrate for long enough.   Khawaja committed suicide,  Harris changed his shot and Marsh didn't move and let himself get nailed on the crease.

Wait long enough and our blokes get themselves out.

The ball that Marnus just lifted to mid on (he batted well I thought)  swung appreciably from Shami.

I ask again.... How on earth are these blokes getting it to move so much and so consistently?   They must be diddling with the pill I reckon.

Think we have to admit they have a bit more skill than our blokes and bowl better lines, they picked a team to suit the conditions and we are a few players short without Warner and Smith......Paine is a very good wicket keeper for example but he is nowhere near Pant as a batsman. Our quicks are quicker but none of them swing the ball consistently, you could tell Kuldeep was going to trouble our batsman from his 1st over, he lands most of his deliveries and none of our blokes can pick him. Paine played a ridiculous shot trying to drive a well flighted ball that spun between a gap you could drive a Mack truck through...
S. Marsh is experienced for sure but mainly at getting out by the dumbest ways possible, played two good shots then hung a limp bat at a delivery he didnt need to play and edged it, Head is another who seems to do the hard work then play a dumb shot.
India keep their youth away from 20/20 cricket and dont allow then to play until U23's and concentrate on producing test batsman who average 50 or more in the domestic comp before they get picked at International level....Lillee, Marsh, the Chappells taught them too well when they were struggling now its us who cant structure a system to produce test cricketers.....but we cant live without 20/20 cricket now because of the money and its a drug thats killing us as a test nation. The Indiasn have the big dollars to buy what they need in terms of coaching, domestic comps and its us who are now the poor relations....
Being an Aussie cricket  supporter and a Carlton supporter isnt much different ...the system and the odds are stacked against us....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 05, 2019, 10:09:50 pm
A good batsman at test level tends to be a good bat at the shorter forms,  yet short form ability doesn't transfer to long form success. But this series was lost in the head,  not just via technique,  we didn't bat to test expectation, which is mainly application.  It's been an issue for a long time.

I am firmly of the belief that the players did not get enough long form cricket coming into the test series to have form.  All the bats are looking for it,  how can you get it in the absence of first class cricket?

So we have a long list of players that aren't in top nick,  chuck in some horrid selections and it was never going to he a successful series.

The blokes that have really disappointed have been the so called senior players,  especially Khawaja,  Marsh, Starc and Hazelwood.  Paine has clear limitations with the bat.  If anything,  the new boys today showed better technique and intent than the supposed senior blokes. 

All the new bats have technical flaws to address. But they have a future.   At 34, Marsh does not.

The bowlers have tried but the reality is that they have been off the boil for some time and this test was the ideal time to try someone fresh. Opportunity missed.

I hope the selectors are smarter and pick a side with an eye to the future versus Sri Lanka.   No Marshes for a start.  Starc can find some form with NSW.  Piss off the all-rounder quest,  Cumming or the WK is essentially that.

Why aren't Burns,  Maxwell, Renshaw  etc being considered? Enough politics.  Pick on merit. 

I reckon we have the players,  we just didnt pick them or didn't have them ready to go. 

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 05, 2019, 11:53:11 pm
A good batsman at test level tends to be a good bat at the shorter forms,  yet short form ability doesn't transfer to long form success. But this series was lost in the head,  not just via technique,  we didn't bat to test expectation, which is mainly application.  It's been an issue for a long time.

I am firmly of the belief that the players did not get enough long form cricket coming into the test series to have form.  All the bats are looking for it,  how can you get it in the absence of first class cricket?

So we have a long list of players that aren't in top nick,  chuck in some horrid selections and it was never going to he a successful series.

The blokes that have really disappointed have been the so called senior players,  especially Khawaja,  Marsh, Starc and Hazelwood.  Paine has clear limitations with the bat.  If anything,  the new boys today showed better technique and intent than the supposed senior blokes. 

All the new bats have technical flaws to address. But they have a future.   At 34, Marsh does not.

The bowlers have tried but the reality is that they have been off the boil for some time and this test was the ideal time to try someone fresh. Opportunity missed.

I hope the selectors are smarter and pick a side with an eye to the future versus Sri Lanka.  No Marshes for a start.  Starc can find some form with NSW.  Piss off the all-rounder quest,  Cumming or the WK is essentially that.

Why aren't Burns,  Maxwell, Renshaw  etc being considered? Enough politics.  Pick on merit. 

I reckon we have the players,  we just didnt pick them or didn't have them ready to go.

But that's the problem Prof, the selectors think that they are picking sides that will do well in the future.

They should be picking the best eleven players on form and that should mean that Maxwell, Burns and Wade are in the squad.

The Marsh name should not appear on an Australian scoresheet unless he conjures up some amazing igures
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 06, 2019, 07:36:49 am
The blokes need to be established - and scoring runs - at the 4 day match level before any consideration for selection.

People saying Handscomb played a brave innings last evening - he's on 28 ffs, not 128 or 228.

Talk about this bloke (who shouldn't be in the side in a month of Sundays on exposed form) when he hits the latter scores....

Very, very, very poor effort from the selectors.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 06, 2019, 08:33:56 am
Something that has been overlooked in all the media analysis is that India's bats haven't been wonderful either aside from Pujara.  Pant was irresponsible to the extreme in the earlier tests,  sure made big runs here but where was he under pressure in Perth?   The openers have been given the lemon and sass,  Kohli has has had moments,  but the rest have been scratchy,  the middle order have thrown wickets away when set etc.   I don't care that they all average 55 and at home and our blokes average 40, it's not comparable.   But the Indians,  largely thanks to Pujara have had PARTNERSHIPS,  one of which would have won us Adelaide. We haven't batted as a team,  we've batted as a disparate bunch of individuals.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on January 06, 2019, 02:59:56 pm
And so it goes ...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 06, 2019, 04:51:18 pm
Something that has been overlooked in all the media analysis is that India's bats haven't been wonderful either aside from Pujara.  Pant was irresponsible to the extreme in the earlier tests,  sure made big runs here but where was he under pressure in Perth?   The openers have been given the lemon and sass,  Kohli has has had moments,  but the rest have been scratchy,  the middle order have thrown wickets away when set etc.   I don't care that they all average 55 and at home and our blokes average 40, it's not comparable.   But the Indians,  largely thanks to Pujara have had PARTNERSHIPS,  one of which would have won us Adelaide. We haven't batted as a team,  we've batted as a disparate bunch of individuals.

In years gone by Pujara would have been 120 Not Out and India would have been all out 320, if not for our crap bowling this season!

I'm not just blaming bowlers as our batsmen have been rubbish and the tell is blokes like Cummins and Hazelwood sticking around for runs, but there is no way India should be making 500 runs 6 wickets down on those pitches!

I'm not brave enough to state cause and effect, just that they are both guilty!

Also, it's too easy to blame the sandpaper, this problem is of CA's creation and it goes back a decade or more, back to the Waugh / Simpson / NSW / MCC dynasty era! it'll take another 5 or 10 years to dig themselves out of this hole, CA has a era of pain coming not unlike Carlton's TPP penalties, except CA's problems are self-inflicted!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 06, 2019, 09:32:45 pm
Whether Sutherland was pushed or not, his tenure will not be remembered kindly....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 06, 2019, 10:32:28 pm
Whether Sutherland was pushed or not, his tenure will not be remembered kindly....

Nor should it.
Sold our soles out to the Indians.
Left state cricket in a mess.
Centre of excellence is perfect except for the excellence.
Pat Howard appointment was terrible
Outside of that a sterling performance
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 07, 2019, 02:54:18 pm
I don't understand all the hype about Perth taking the Boxing Day test from the MCG, if they want a test why not take the New Years test at least we'd get some play!

I note that records show the SCG test gets washed out almost 300% more than any other Australian cricket test venue! In the 2000s Sydney has lost 24 days of test cricket, the next closest is the MCG with only 9 days lost!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on January 07, 2019, 03:07:25 pm
I don't understand all the hype about Perth taking the Boxing Day test from the MCG, if they want a test why not take the New Years test at least we'd get some play!

I note that records show the SCG test gets washed out almost 300% more than any other Australian cricket test venue! In the 2000s Sydney has lost 24 days of test cricket, the next closest is the MCG with only 9 days lost!

Overall number of results:
Sydney 20 draws
Melbourne 18 draws
Adelaide 19 draws

Given the number of times a complete day lost Sydney doing pretty well
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 07, 2019, 03:10:09 pm
Overall number of results:
Sydney 20 draws
Melbourne 18 draws
Adelaide 19 draws

Given the number of times a complete day lost Sydney doing pretty well

I gather that isn't just from 2000 onwards, I understand the figures I report are the numbers starting in 2000.

btw., I haven't verified those figures, they are just numbers being touted around various cricket forums. If they are correct Sydney has lost 24 out of 90 possible days of test cricket since 2000!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on January 07, 2019, 03:55:23 pm
I gather that isn't just from 2000 onwards, I understand the figures I report are the numbers starting in 2000.

btw., I haven't verified those figures, they are just numbers being touted around various cricket forums. If they are correct Sydney has lost 24 out of 90 possible days of test cricket since 2000!

Since 2000:
SCG 4 draws
MCG 2 draws
Adelaide 3 draws

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on January 07, 2019, 03:57:43 pm
I gather that isn't just from 2000 onwards, I understand the figures I report are the numbers starting in 2000.

btw., I haven't verified those figures, they are just numbers being touted around various cricket forums. If they are correct Sydney has lost 24 out of 90 possible days of test cricket since 2000!

That 24 day figure was posted on twitter, I think by a Cricinfo commentator.

Time to trot out the old stats on complete days of play washed out in Australian Test cricket:
24 Sydney
 9 Melbourne
 8 Brisbane
 2 Adelaide
 1 Hobart
 0 Perth

I dont think it is referring to just 2000s. The follow up tweet from same guy...

For those who want to calculate percentages, here are the actual days played:
475 Sydney
501 Melbourne
270 Brisbane
382 Adelaide
 58 Hobart
197 Perth
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 07, 2019, 08:30:35 pm
That 24 day figure was posted on twitter, I think by a Cricinfo commentator.

Time to trot out the old stats on complete days of play washed out in Australian Test cricket:
24 Sydney
 9 Melbourne
 8 Brisbane
 2 Adelaide
 1 Hobart
 0 Perth

I dont think it is referring to just 2000s. The follow up tweet from same guy...

For those who want to calculate percentages, here are the actual days played:
475 Sydney
501 Melbourne
270 Brisbane
382 Adelaide
 58 Hobart
197 Perth

I doubt it's 24 days lost in the whole history of Sydney cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on January 07, 2019, 09:15:52 pm
I doubt it's 24 days lost in the whole history of Sydney cricket.
There has been 107 tests at the SCG and the figure refers to days where no play has occurred at all. I don’t think that’s unreasonable.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 09, 2019, 12:20:55 pm
Team for the Sri Lanka Tests announced today

For me it's....

Burns
Harris
Khawaja
Patterson
Pucovski
Wade
Paine
Pattinson (if fit, if not Jyhe Richardson)
Cummins
Lyon
Hazelwood (who would want to improve)


Leaks is Pucovski is getting selected.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/01/09/report-will-pucovski-set-for-shock-test-call-up/
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on January 09, 2019, 01:29:16 pm
I wish him well, but hitting the panic button on a kid who has just taken time off for mental health issues seems incredibly desperate.

Hope they have his best interests at heart.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 09, 2019, 01:44:11 pm
Finally selectors are seeing reason.  You don't average 49 with the big scores he has at that age without real ability.   He's got a future - Sean Marsh at 34 and a FC average of approximately  35 doesn't.

On another issue, has anybody had a close look at Yadav's wrong 'un ?   He needs to be careful about that wrist 'flick'at release, it looks a bit suss.  Very tempting motion for spinners trying to get more revs on the ball.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 09, 2019, 02:38:56 pm
Angelo Matthews out for Sri Lanka which is a big loss, no Herath either, we should win this series 2-0 even with a team of school kids...

If you wanted a soft series vs a weak attack to blood young kids this would be the one...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on January 09, 2019, 03:05:03 pm
https://www.theroar.com.au/2019/01/09/moneyball-selecting-the-australian-test-team-on-stats-only/

Interesting article.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 09, 2019, 04:30:55 pm
Neser should be given a crack no question.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 09, 2019, 05:04:06 pm
Yep,  Fly,  Neser can't be far away.   Some potential in that CA 11.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 09, 2019, 05:50:13 pm
What's wrong with this statement from Hohns?

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"Matt Renshaw is a player with the ability to make big scores, and at 22 years old has 10 first-class centuries. He also performed extremely well in England during the County season. We see him as a long-term prospect as a Test player and have confidence in his ability to bounce back following a string of low scores early in the Shield season."

Averaging 19 in the Shield this season and Wade's average is 63. :o

Renshaw might well be a long term prospect but he's not in the best eleven cricketers at the moment.  In fact, few of the Australian team would be.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 09, 2019, 08:21:23 pm
What's wrong with this statement from Hohns?

Averaging 19 in the Shield this season and Wade's average is 63. :o

Renshaw might well be a long term prospect but he's not in the best eleven cricketers at the moment.  In fact, few of the Australian team would be.

They want Renshaw for the Ashes series because of his county form, agree he doesnt deserve a spot based on Shield form....they are probably hoping for a Chris Rogers scenario..
Renshaw is also the best 1st slip in Aus and will improve our catching...
I'm not a fan of playing wicketkeepers as stand alone batsman but I take your point on Wade, he is knocking down the door but I think the selectors will go for youth from here on in...
I'd expect Tremain or Boland to tour England and maybe Neser or Worrall as the swing bowler...not sure why Siddle is even in the test squad...I'd be trialing those fringe quicks vs the Sri Lankan's who are a very ordinary team and missing key players.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 09, 2019, 08:38:41 pm
They want Renshaw for the Ashes series because of his county form, agree he doesnt deserve a spot based on Shield form....they are probably hoping for a Chris Rogers scenario..
Renshaw is also the best 1st slip in Aus and will improve our catching...
I'm not a fan of playing wicketkeepers as stand alone batsman but I take your point on Wade, he is knocking down the door but I think the selectors will go for youth from here on in...
I'd expect Tremain or Boland to tour England and maybe Neser or Worrall as the swing bowler...not sure why Siddle is even in the test squad...I'd be trialing those fringe quicks vs the Sri Lankan's who are a very ordinary team and missing key players.

If we are to start winning Test matches, the selectors will have to start picking the best 12 (or 13) players and forget about who might do well in the next series or the one after that. 

Going for youth is code for "we don't know what we are doing!"  The youngsters need to get a good grounding in a re-vamped Sheffield Shield competition.  If CA invests in junior cricket, domestic competitions and the Shield, the Test team will look after itself, provided the selectors pick players on merit rather than potential, age and personality.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 09, 2019, 10:49:41 pm
Don't know how Siddle is in that squad... Bowls 130 tops,  and we have a log jam of pacemen who need exposure prior to the ashes.

Starc should consider himself bloody well blessed to still be in that squad.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 10, 2019, 08:43:44 am
Simply stunning that Siddle is even in the picture....

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on January 10, 2019, 11:09:27 am
Simply stunning that Siddle is even in the picture....

Yes, amazing.

He's been a good honest bowler for us, but time has caught up now.

The younger quicks need a go now.
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Post by: flyboy77 on January 10, 2019, 01:07:17 pm
Yes, amazing.

He's been a good honest bowler for us, but time has caught up now.

The younger quicks need a go now.

If we're preparing for England, you've simply got to trial one or two young guys who swing/move the ball....

Siddle has never done that - for all his honesty.

Starc would be better served finding some form in the Shield surely?

Ditto Hazelwood for that matter.

Both could get two serious Shield games in that time (of the 2 Sri Lankan tests)....

(These) Selectors really have NFI I'm afraid.
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Post by: Professer E on January 10, 2019, 01:59:43 pm
....and refuse to pick Maxwell stating that he is to concentrate on short form cricket. Madness.
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Post by: laj on January 10, 2019, 04:48:35 pm
They want Renshaw for the Ashes series because of his county form, agree he doesnt deserve a spot based on Shield form....they are probably hoping for a Chris Rogers scenario..
Renshaw is also the best 1st slip in Aus and will improve our catching...
I'm not a fan of playing wicketkeepers as stand alone batsman but I take your point on Wade, he is knocking down the door but I think the selectors will go for youth from here on in...
I'd expect Tremain or Boland to tour England and maybe Neser or Worrall as the swing bowler...not sure why Siddle is even in the test squad...I'd be trialing those fringe quicks vs the Sri Lankan's who are a very ordinary team and missing key players.

I assume they'll take 5 quicks to England. With Starc (no certainty to actually play once Pattinson is fit), Cummins, Hazelwood and Pattinson certainties to tour it leaves one more.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 10, 2019, 05:22:15 pm
....and refuse to pick Maxwell stating that he is to concentrate on short form cricket. Madness.

Maxwell's non selection is all about politics, its a disgrace akin to Jamie Siddons non selection as a test player, if you are not popular and wont suck up to
the right people you wont be picked. Maxwell would be playing test cricket for most other nations....Travis Head is a handy cricketer but Maxwell would eat him alive for talent.
At 30 year of age though Maxwell probably wont get many more chances at test level  IMO....


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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 10, 2019, 05:27:48 pm
I assume they'll take 5 quicks to England. With Starc (no certainty to actually play once Pattinson is fit), Cummins, Hazelwood and Pattinson certainties to tour it leaves one more.

Like to think they would take a genuine swing bowler to play the Poms.....hope Pattinson can stand up, gun bowler when fit.....reminds me of Shane Bond from NZ, so good when he was playing but just couldnt stay fit.
Starc will play vs the Sri Lankans, their best batsman is the left handed opener and Starc had him 5 times out of 6 innings for under doubles figure every time in the last series that the Sri Lankans won...
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Post by: Jack Burton on January 10, 2019, 06:48:39 pm
I hope Pattinson is fit enough to play in the Ashes, he is exactly what we need. I think Siddle is in the mix because he actually has a good record in England (10 Tests, 40 wickets at 26.2), he bowls stump to stump and nibbles it around, exactly what you need to do over there. By comparison, Starc's record in England is 7 Tests, 22 wickets at 33.3, while Lyon's is 7 Tests, 19 wickets at 32.2
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Post by: DJC on January 10, 2019, 07:07:26 pm
Siddle played one Test on the last tour.  While he did take 6 wickets, his pace has dropped off significantly and I think it's a stretch to refer to him as a fast-medium now.  He bowled well for his country over the journey but I reckon he is well past his best now.

The selectors should be rewarding good performances and picking blokes like Boland or Copeland.
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Post by: Jack Burton on January 10, 2019, 08:59:42 pm
I think Tremain should be in front of both of those, bowls a fuller length and can swing the ball
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Post by: sandsmere on January 10, 2019, 09:17:44 pm
Like to think they would take a genuine swing bowler to play the Poms.....hope Pattinson can stand up, gun bowler when fit.....reminds me of Shane Bond from NZ, so good when he was playing but just couldnt stay fit.
Starc will play vs the Sri Lankans, their best batsman is the left handed opener and Starc had him 5 times out of 6 innings for under doubles figure every time in the last series that the Sri Lankans won...

Yes. Starc will go to England too.
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Post by: DJC on January 10, 2019, 11:36:30 pm
I think Tremain should be in front of both of those, bowls a fuller length and can swing the ball

Yes, Tremain is definitely right up there - if the team was selected on merit  >:(
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Post by: DJC on January 11, 2019, 09:18:55 pm
The selectors are getting just a tad antsy about folk questioning their decision making.

JL got quite upset with a reporter questioning feedback allegedly provided to Maxwell.  Meanwhile, Wade and the Tasmanian cricket body have called them out over the statement that Wade would have to bat higher in the Tasmanian order before being considered for Test selection.  Bryce McGain reckons that’s code for “we don’t think you’re good enough.”

The premier batsman in the Shield can’t get a game on his home ground  ::)  No wonder we are rubbish ????
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Post by: Professer E on January 11, 2019, 09:48:04 pm
Other than BS and straight out obsfucation the messaging regarding Maxwell is bizarre.  
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Post by: Swan43 on January 12, 2019, 12:59:26 am
The selectors are getting just a tad antsy about folk questioning their decision making.

JL got quite upset with a reporter questioning feedback allegedly provided to Maxwell.  Meanwhile, Wade and the Tasmanian cricket body have called them out over the statement that Wade would have to bat higher in the Tasmanian order before being considered for Test selection.  Bryce McGain reckons that’s code for “we don’t think you’re good enough.”

The premier batsman in the Shield can’t get a game on his home ground  ::)  No wonder we are rubbish ????
Feel a bit for Langer. Situation not of his making but carrying CA's can. Desperately unfair for him. For mine, the greedy swine states have let CA focus on cash only for ages. Chook army is back in the barracks now. We've been saved by certain guys over the years pulling us out the mire when we should never been in there in the first place. And that's happened even in our 90s/00/teens pomp. Remember, we failed in the UK and India repeatedly. A failure in itself orchestrated by the hierarchy. Cash not results. But it's only Tests, no money, who cares?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Swan43 on January 12, 2019, 01:15:42 am
Other than BS and straight out obsfucation the messaging regarding Maxwell is bizarre.
The more pressure, the better. No change otherwise. Entire failure has scared CA. It's doing stuff it never has done before. But it has driven the game into the ground for cash. And the young talent progression focus at all costs has been proven shallow thinking; wonder why ... don't tell me there needs to be proof of durability proven over time and centuries...

Still, it's the states' fault.
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Post by: flyboy77 on January 12, 2019, 09:44:50 am
on Shield numbers, Shaun Marsh deserved a gong (against India) but his repeated soft dismissals are a blight on his career.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=12452;type=tournament

His younger brother should never have been picked...that was a mega blunder, arguably costing us the series.

Picking Handscomb again was also folly (as was playing the young L kid at 3).
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Post by: malo on January 12, 2019, 10:28:19 am
If we're preparing for England, you've simply got to trial one or two young guys who swing/move the ball....

(These) Selectors really have NFI I'm afraid.

All we need is a bloke who can bowl seam up & hit line & length...works for Broad every time ....I like the look of a Jhye Richardson type.  Quick enough & nice high arm action that not much can go wrong with.  Hopefully Hazelwood learned his lesson from his last ashes tour where he became too focused on swinging the he new ball & forgot about line & length.

Starc can't bowl line & length...which is why he's not a good option for England.



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Post by: JonHenry on January 12, 2019, 11:29:14 am
All we need is a bloke who can bowl seam up & hit line & length...works for Broad every time ....I like the look of a Jhye Richardson type.  Quick enough & nice high arm action that not much can go wrong with.  Hopefully Hazelwood learned his lesson from his last ashes tour where he became too focused on swinging the he new ball & forgot about line & length.

Starc can't bowl line & length...which is why he's not a good option for England.

Hazlewood needs to get closer to the stumps when releasing the ball.
He bowls far too straight, so he’s easy to leave when bowling from wide of the stumps.
If you look at McGrath, his last stride took him in very close to the stumps.
Batsmen always had to play as he bowled stump to stump.
Then his small amount of movement became very effective
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Post by: Professer E on January 12, 2019, 06:03:34 pm
Behrendorff and Richardson showing how to nibble it around.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 12, 2019, 07:06:11 pm
Behrendorff and Richardson showing how to nibble it around.

Always liked Behrendorff but he cant stay fit...India look like they are in holiday mode......Pandya and Rahul been sent home for some talk show BS , we must be bad to lose a test series to these jokers....
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 12, 2019, 07:08:43 pm
on Shield numbers, Shaun Marsh deserved a gong (against India) but his repeated soft dismissals are a blight on his career.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=12452;type=tournament

His younger brother should never have been picked...that was a mega blunder, arguably costing us the series.

Picking Handscomb again was also folly (as was playing the young L kid at 3).

Picking Handscomb was like picking Nick Graham every week.....same deckchair, same errors.....
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Post by: Professer E on January 13, 2019, 09:10:46 am
Opening bowlers actually moved the ball,  must have shocked Kohli that they had the effrontery not to have pies thrown at them as per usual.  The old off cutter,  oldie but a goodie. Where was it in the test series?

Finch is embarrassing himself. Ingrained technical flaw.

Was worried when Dhoni and Rohit got going,  our record versus those two us poor,  very poor.

Oh,  and nice to see Langer continue the "exclusion policy" on Maxwell.   Give it a rest Justin. Stay strong Maxy.
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Post by: JonHenry on January 13, 2019, 10:36:38 am
I would drop Finch and open with Maxwell
Could win us a world cup
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Post by: crashlander on January 14, 2019, 10:49:31 am
At the moment Finch looks cooked. His confidence is low. No matter how good a one day or 20:20 captain he may be, he isn't getting any runs and he needs to. I have him playing for the Renegades in the Big Bash. It gives him a chance to discover some form before he truly is flicked for good.
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Post by: DamonBlue on January 14, 2019, 03:39:45 pm
On Matthew Wade, I'm glad he hasn't been selected.

Let's remember, he's had a fair run at Test level (22 matches) and has an average of 28.6 from 38 innings (with the benefit of 7 not-outs, batting down the order). By way of comparison, Hanscomb averages 39 and he's not up to it either at the moment.

At Test level, Wade is a mile off being a batsman. Even if Paine were injured, I wouldn't pick him, as his keeping is ordinary. His recent Shield form, I reckon, just shows that playing some Test cricket can make you much better at a lower level.
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Post by: flyboy77 on January 14, 2019, 07:42:05 pm
The reason they gave for not selecting Wade simply don't stack up - no way does it pass the pub test.

If the selectors want to be consistent and fair - well say they have decided to blood young players - and act accordingly.

I think if Wade hadn't played Test level cricket previously he would have got the nod - his poor record worked against him.....

If he has another season of dominating at Shield level, then a rethink is warranted.

An Hohns shoud be put out to pasture.....
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 14, 2019, 08:35:03 pm
Wade getting picked has nothing to do with his form IMO, he is seen as part of the supposed neanderthal poor culture that CA is trying to clean out
and replace with the squeaky clean Tim Paine choir boy crew.
Wade got picked previously when CA wanted more mongrel in the team but that of course has all changed with the sandpaper trio dragging Aus cricket into the mud and I'd say Wade's cards are marked unless we get a lot of injuries.
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Post by: Jack Burton on January 14, 2019, 08:59:12 pm
Agree 100% EB, if youre not a choir boy you will not be selected at the moment. Runs and wickets are almost irrelevant
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Post by: DJC on January 14, 2019, 11:26:03 pm
Agree 100% EB, if youre not a choir boy you will not be selected at the moment. Runs and wickets are almost irrelevant

Yet Smith, Warner and Bancroft will be rushed back into the team ASAP.

The garbage about Wade batting higher in the order is just code for "we don't think you're good enough".  When two out of the three selectors are so far removed from modern day cricket and have a history of favouring under-performing players, there's no chance that we will get a Test team comprising the best in-form players.
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Post by: townsendcalling on January 15, 2019, 01:11:43 am
Does anyone want to tell CA that the BBL is heading for crisis?? Just on 20k at the G last night!  Take the 4 best players out and expect people to turn up??  That’s almost an insult. No more teams, cut the season back, and have the country’s best playing in the comp! And another complication, these OS players can play in Bangladesh gor less than half the time for double the pay. Do something quickly or it will receive the ‘last rites!’
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Post by: Professer E on January 15, 2019, 07:20:24 am
How can a county like Bangladesh,  with entrenched poverty etc,  justify paying blow ins a fortune to play in a meaningless display event?   Haven't got they got real issues to address?

The BBL does have issues... Went to GMHBA on a free pass,  Renegades lost both games by multiples. Batted like they didn't care from the outset.   Guy behind us had flown from Brisbane,  they won but you wouldnt say he was entertained for the time and money he shelled out.   Value for money?  Don't see it myself.
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Post by: malo on January 15, 2019, 08:12:06 am
Does anyone want to tell CA that the BBL is heading for crisis?? Just on 20k at the G last night!  Take the 4 best players out and expect people to turn up??  That’s almost an insult. No more teams, cut the season back, and have the country’s best playing in the comp! And another complication, these OS players can play in Bangladesh gor less than half the time for double the pay. Do something quickly or it will receive the ‘last rites!’

Yep, you can see a mile off that CA are in the process of wringing the neck of the Golden Goose.
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Post by: malo on January 15, 2019, 08:35:08 am
Wade getting picked has nothing to do with his form IMO, he is seen as part of the supposed neanderthal poor culture that CA is trying to clean out
and replace with the squeaky clean Tim Paine choir boy crew.

That's a little harsh on Paine mate......he was exactly what the national side needed as captain in the wake of that moment of stupidity in SAF.  And if you're being fair, Paine is finally getting the games that should have been his years ago, before Wade was even in the picture.  Having said that, you have to reward performances...and Wade would be in any side as a specialist Batsman given that criteria.

And Maxwells treatment is nothing short of restraint of trade........and I'm from Tassie, so no Vic bias here !



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Post by: Blueboy_Benny on January 15, 2019, 08:55:34 am
Does anyone want to tell CA that the BBL is heading for crisis?? Just on 20k at the G last night!  Take the 4 best players out and expect people to turn up??  That’s almost an insult. No more teams, cut the season back, and have the country’s best playing in the comp! And another complication, these OS players can play in Bangladesh gor less than half the time for double the pay. Do something quickly or it will receive the ‘last rites!’
Rubbish scheduling, given that it was up against day 1 of the Aus Open.
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Post by: JonHenry on January 15, 2019, 11:12:30 am
It has ALWAYS been an issue batting lower than the top 4 in Shield cricket.
If Wade wants to play Test Cricket as a batsman he needs to get up the order.
Paine is a far better glove man and bat. Choir boy or not, Wade is not in the same league
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Post by: laj on January 15, 2019, 12:07:42 pm
On Matthew Wade, I'm glad he hasn't been selected.

Let's remember, he's had a fair run at Test level (22 matches) and has an average of 28.6 from 38 innings (with the benefit of 7 not-outs, batting down the order). By way of comparison, Hanscomb averages 39 and he's not up to it either at the moment.

At Test level, Wade is a mile off being a batsman. Even if Paine were injured, I wouldn't pick him, as his keeping is ordinary. His recent Shield form, I reckon, just shows that playing some Test cricket can make you much better at a lower level.

Those days as a keeper, right now the focus is on batting. Makes a difference. His first stint in the Test Team he went well with two centuries and a numbers of 50's. average in the mid-30s. He lost the job because he was $hit with the gloves. Second  stint he did bat badly and sunk the average. Right now he's the in-form batsman in Shield cricket averaging over 50 last year and 63 this year. To me that is straight in the side, especially given some of the $hit we have selected before him.

We gone from aggressive, in your face type players to being too nice. We need the mongrel back. Warner, Wade and probably Pattinson will help that along. We are at our best when we are hard and very aggressive. Rather be arseholes and winning than nice guys losing all the time. As long as they leave the sandpaper in the dressing room as we don't want to be cheating either.
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Post by: DamonBlue on January 15, 2019, 02:45:48 pm
Those days as a keeper, right now the focus is on batting. Makes a difference. His first stint in the Test Team he went well with two centuries and a numbers of 50's. average in the mid-30s. He lost the job because he was $hit with the gloves. Second  stint he did bat badly and sunk the average. Right now he's the in-form batsman in Shield cricket averaging over 50 last year and 63 this year. To me that is straight in the side, especially given some of the $hit we have selected before him.

We gone from aggressive, in your face type players to being too nice. We need the mongrel back. Warner, Wade and probably Pattinson will help that along. We are at our best when we are hard and very aggressive. Rather be arseholes and winning than nice guys losing all the time. As long as they leave the sandpaper in the dressing room as we don't want to be cheating either.

Got no problems with getting some mongrel and aggression back in, Laj - I'm just not convinced he's up to it at test level.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 15, 2019, 03:40:24 pm
That's a little harsh on Paine mate......he was exactly what the national side needed as captain in the wake of that moment of stupidity in SAF.  And if you're being fair, Paine is finally getting the games that should have been his years ago, before Wade was even in the picture.  Having said that, you have to reward performances...and Wade would be in any side as a specialist Batsman given that criteria.

And Maxwells treatment is nothing short of restraint of trade........and I'm from Tassie, so no Vic bias here !

Fair points, I dont mind Tim Paine as a cricketer or individual but I just think we went overboard in trying to clean up the mess left by Warner etc...Aussie teams function better when we have some edge to our game and have a little bit of mongrel but still stay within the rules.
Wade should get the second keeper's job for England unless they go with a part time keeper like Hanscomb, I'd play Wade in the old Warner opening role, take the attack to the  opening bowlers, as I have said before I am not a real fan of keepers playing as specialist batsman but in our case we need to reward Shield players who are meeting the normal criteria of weight of runs@ a decent average..
When you pick blokes averaging 29 in the key role of No 3 then really cant expect to be winning at test level vs decent opposition...re: Maxwell...think we all know Maxy isnt everyones cup of tea in the dressing room and probably isnt one of the boys but either was Don Bradman who played with a team full of micky flynn's but we still got the job done and picked the best players..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: spf on January 15, 2019, 03:50:25 pm
So Finch bowled again with the ball coming back into him....
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Post by: Professer E on January 15, 2019, 05:51:14 pm
Yep, getting boring isn't it?  I think there's about ten basic batting drills given to juniors to prevent that issue.
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Post by: DJC on January 15, 2019, 08:17:09 pm
Wade’s situation reminds of Richie Robinson back in the olden days.  Robinson had no chance of displacing Marsh as keeper but his success with the bat got him a Test spot as a batsman.  Of course the Poms worked out his technical flaws and he failed to reproduce his Shield form at Test level.

Wade’s technique could also be exposed ... but that seems to apply to all of our batsmen ????
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Post by: malo on January 16, 2019, 08:33:49 am
Fair points, I dont mind Tim Paine as a cricketer or individual but I just think we went overboard in trying to clean up the mess left by Warner etc...Aussie teams function better when we have some edge to our game and have a little bit of mongrel but still stay within the rules.

I think we more to move more towards the attitude taken by Border in '89......he made a conscious decision to say nothing to the poms, not to interact with them in anyway, even though on previous tours he had been mates with quite a few of them...  Certainly there was stuff all sledging compared to subsequent captains, but that completely hardnosed, driven approach made it quite plain to the poms that he was there for 1 thing only.....to win.

And yes, Wade has to go to England as backup keeper/batsman.  Sadly they can't afford to throw Carey to the Lions yet given the shortness of England tours these days.  No scope to take players on Ashes tours for experience anymore.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 17, 2019, 11:55:24 am
Got no problems with getting some mongrel and aggression back in, Laj - I'm just not convinced he's up to it at test level.

Neither are many others. All you can do in that situation is go on form. His batting was definitely Test level in his first stint with 50s and 100s, just was poor batting on his 2nd stint.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 17, 2019, 03:30:32 pm
It's supposedly a bat off for the Test top order in the CAXI game against Sri lanka down here at Bellerive.......so far, they've all failed !

Renshaw - 7
Burns - 6
Labuschagne - 6

need a bight of fight from Patterson & Pucovski, otherwise the next batsmen in line look very ordinary.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 17, 2019, 04:19:52 pm
It's supposedly a bat off for the Test top order in the CAXI game against Sri lanka down here at Bellerive.......so far, they've all failed !

Renshaw - 7
Burns - 6
Labuschagne - 6

need a bight of fight from Patterson & Pucovski, otherwise the next batsmen in line look very ordinary.

Getting that. At lunch, Patterson is 41 and Pucovski is 22. Both looking really good.
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Post by: Professer E on January 17, 2019, 05:46:51 pm
And then got out.  Jinx.

Patterson showing some spine.
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Post by: Jack Burton on January 17, 2019, 10:11:15 pm
Patterson 157*, get youselves ready for another average NSW batsman in the national team
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Post by: Professer E on January 18, 2019, 07:31:02 am
If Finch wasn't ODI captain he'd be dropped as well.  His career at international level is hanging by a thread.
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Post by: laj on January 18, 2019, 08:59:18 am
Patterson 157*, get youselves ready for another average NSW batsman in the national team

Actually thought he should've been in the side from the start, He's been making runs for quite a while. Don't understand why he's not. Career average of 41 and in terrific form this year.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 18, 2019, 09:12:21 am
We have a habit of picking blokes who aren't in form.   I can take an average player in good touch,  lord knows we've picked enough average players in poor form,  with concomitant results.
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Post by: JonHenry on January 18, 2019, 10:37:50 am
Patterson 157*, get youselves ready for another average NSW batsman in the national team

Harris
Finch
Kawahja
Marsh
Hanscombe
Head
Paine

Remind me who the Average NSW are?
Who are the Pro NSW selectors?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 18, 2019, 03:00:31 pm
Kawahja is from NSW and he's average,  especially against spin.

Finch is finished at international level.  Chronic front foot issue.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 18, 2019, 03:31:36 pm
FFS, the Marsh brothers score runs but geez how can the national team keep tolerating the stupid ways they find to go out, today stumped on a wide!

CA should get these hacks out of the XI before we play Sri Lanka, or they will all make 200s and be embedded in the team for another half a decade!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on January 18, 2019, 04:01:11 pm
One is never brim full of confidence watching either of them.  Techniques are atrocious, methods of dismissal, far worse
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Post by: Professer E on January 18, 2019, 04:40:54 pm
Gees LP,  you're confident,  I'm worried that our bats will struggle to score against Sri Lanka, talk of double hundreds is pushing it a bit.
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Post by: LP on January 18, 2019, 05:52:19 pm
Gees LP,  you're confident,  I'm worried that our bats will struggle to score against Sri Lanka, talk of double hundreds is pushing it a bit.

The 3rds batting 9 or 10 are making hundreds against the Sri Lankans!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 18, 2019, 05:55:09 pm
But the ones in the test side aren't.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 18, 2019, 06:13:43 pm
The 3rds batting 9 or 10 are making hundreds against the Sri Lankans!

Sri Lankans are a very ordinary outfit, I dont want the Marsh boys etc making runs vs these sub district standard hackers and then getting picked for England...
Their bowling is rancid with only the 40 year old Herath who isnt touring the only real test class bowler....

Pity we didnt play more tests vs India or maybe a couple vs South Africa and sort out the pretenders from the contenders.....

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 18, 2019, 06:42:39 pm
Sri Lankans are a very ordinary outfit, I dont want the Marsh boys etc making runs vs these sub district standard hackers and then getting picked for England...
Their bowling is rancid with only the 40 year old Herath who isnt touring the only real test class bowler....

Pity we didnt play more tests vs India or maybe a couple vs South Africa and sort out the pretenders from the contenders.....

That's how I see it, but yet I can feel it unfolding that way!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on January 18, 2019, 08:47:07 pm
However good or bad the Sri Lankans may be, Australia is faring poorly. Those trying for test spots are failing left and right. This game in Hobart has been a disaster.
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Post by: Jack Burton on January 19, 2019, 10:44:23 am
Hazlewood is out with a back injury, Richardson into the squad to play Sri Lanka. I hope they play him, I like what he brings and I think he would do well in England
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 21, 2019, 08:40:32 am
However good or bad the Sri Lankans may be, Australia is faring poorly. Those trying for test spots are failing left and right. This game in Hobart has been a disaster.

I can see how the Ashes tour will unfold a mile off....Jimmy Anderson will have one more home series, take our useless batmen to the cleaners & then smugly retire to a gush of plaudits from the Pommy press......it will be sickening...

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Post by: malo on January 21, 2019, 08:59:35 am
They've also added Patterson to the squad...fair call, pick blokes scoring runs.  He should be in the final side ahead of both Burns & Renshaw given that he performed in the CA match.  We'll see.
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Post by: Sexybronco on January 21, 2019, 08:59:57 am
Kurtis Patterson added to the Australian squad for the upcoming test series against Sri Lanka, well deserved as it is hard to ignore his recent form.
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Post by: DJC on January 21, 2019, 09:12:17 am
Kurtis Patterson added to the Australian squad for the upcoming test series against Sri Lanka, well deserved as it is hard to ignore his recent form.

That begs the question why they named the squad before the game that was intended to give the likely prospects a chance to show their stuff?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 21, 2019, 09:13:43 am
That begs the question why they named the squad before the game that was intended to give the likely prospects a chance to show their stuff?

Because the game is being run by a bunch of numpties.... sadly.
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Post by: Sexybronco on January 21, 2019, 09:33:24 am
Because the game is being run by a bunch of numpties.... sadly.
Yep and the guy made 2 x unbeaten 100's against the touring team, something we haven't seen for a very long time.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 21, 2019, 10:33:06 am
I can see how the Ashes tour will unfold a mile off....Jimmy Anderson will have one more home series, take our useless batmen to the cleaners & then smugly retire to a gush of plaudits from the Pommy press......it will be sickening...

Agree..Anderson at home with the Duke in conditions that suit will run through our poor technically skilled batsman and then be legend status........the hype, the press, talk shows etc.....vomit material...
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Post by: flyboy77 on January 21, 2019, 02:06:32 pm
Yep and the guy made 2 x unbeaten 100's against the touring team, something we haven't seen for a very long time.

And will undoubtedly fail when it comes to he real stuff!  ;)
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 21, 2019, 02:57:41 pm
And will undoubtedly fail when it comes to he real stuff!  ;)

Be hard to fail vs the Sri Lankan bowling....a toothless pug would have more bite....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 21, 2019, 07:28:54 pm
Be hard to fail vs the Sri Lankan bowling....a toothless pug would have more bite....

It's odds on EB1, that the chosen ones will get a run!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on January 21, 2019, 09:58:36 pm
How is it that Tremain is in the squad for the India Test series, doesn't get a run, then gets dropped for the Sri Lanka series? There's been no shield cricket in the meantime? And if you can answer me that one, try this one, how does M Wade, with clearly the most shield runs at by far the bet average not get a run in the CA XI v Sri Lanka?? I'm baffled
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 21, 2019, 10:44:15 pm
How is it that Tremain is in the squad for the India Test series, doesn't get a run, then gets dropped for the Sri Lanka series? There's been no shield cricket in the meantime? And if you can answer me that one, try this one, how does M Wade, with clearly the most shield runs at by far the bet average not get a run in the CA XI v Sri Lanka?? I'm baffled

I think that one of the reasons why India is enjoying success is that they pick the best available players and don't give a fat rat's clacker about who may be in line for selection in two series' time.  I really can't understand why our selectors can't just pick the best players and I can't understand why Cricket Australia and the TV networks don't do something about it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on January 22, 2019, 04:29:36 am
How is it that Tremain is in the squad for the India Test series, doesn't get a run, then gets dropped for the Sri Lanka series? There's been no shield cricket in the meantime? And if you can answer me that one, try this one, how does M Wade, with clearly the most shield runs at by far the bet average not get a run in the CA XI v Sri Lanka?? I'm baffled

Because JL is the coach. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 22, 2019, 09:05:20 am
How is it that Tremain is in the squad for the India Test series, doesn't get a run, then gets dropped for the Sri Lanka series? There's been no shield cricket in the meantime? And if you can answer me that one, try this one, how does M Wade, with clearly the most shield runs at by far the bet average not get a run in the CA XI v Sri Lanka?? I'm baffled

How many top 6 batsmen have been picked for Australia, when they batted at 6 in shield cricket.
Wade needs to bat in the top 4 if he wants to prove he is good enough.
His keeping is poor
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Post by: LP on January 22, 2019, 10:40:37 am
His keeping is poor

Personally I think that's redundant, Wade was labelled sub-par before he even debuted, and it's stuck with him ever since despite a obvious massive improvement in his keeping especially up to the stumps. Right now he's at least the equal of Paine in keeping and may even be better, a better captain as well and in general under Langer and Paine our tactics have been very poor. But Wade won't have Paine's patience to deal with the likes of Kohli, Wade will butt heads before negotiation. I'm not sure anyone else in Australian cricket would have Paine's patience and smarts when it comes to sledging.

btw., If you want to pick a pure keeper neither of them are the best in the land, some of the young kids coming through are extraordinary but their keeping is well below the grade! That's not to say CA shouldn't take a long term view!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 22, 2019, 11:02:19 am
Personally I think that's redundant, Wade was labelled sub-par before he even debuted, and it's stuck with him ever since despite a obvious massive improvement in his keeping especially up to the stumps. Right now he's at least the equal of Paine in keeping and may even be better, a better captain as well and in general under Langer and Paine our tactics have been very poor. But Wade won't have Paine's patience to deal with the likes of Kohli, Wade will butt heads before negotiation. I'm not sure anyone else in Australian cricket would have Paine's patience and smarts when it comes to sledging.

btw., If you want to pick a pure keeper neither of them are the best in the land, some of the young kids coming through are extraordinary but their keeping is well below the grade! That's not to say CA shouldn't take a long term view!

Not even close to Paine.
That is simply ridiculous
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 22, 2019, 12:46:30 pm
Paine is the best pure wicket keeper in Australia IMO and thats because he is equally comfortable taking both pace or spin.....he is workmanlike with the bat and gritty but isnt at the same level as a Wade or a lot of the other international keepers who can flay attacks and win matches even though Paine has a reasonable average.
Keeping is devalued in the modern era, when I was younger it was your keeping ability that got you picked first and if you could bat it was a bonus...now its probably 50/50 with a leaning towards batting keepers especlally in other countries.
Pant isnt a great keeper IMO but he can bat and flay the bowling, DeKock another who is a matchwinner with the bat and ok as a keeper but nothing brilliant IMO...England are blessed with Bairstow another good batsman who can keep as well as Joss Butler and new wonderboy Ben Foakes who made a century on debut as a fill in keeper bat...

Paine's batting will probably come under scrutiny in England especially if his English counterparts are firing like they have been but I wouldnt be replacing him with Wade in an effort to match Bairstow, Foakes extra matchwinning batting ability. Wade has to make it as a batsman only IMO and will need more runs at Shield level with some big scores....IMO the selectors may still ignore Wade for younger players...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 22, 2019, 01:02:08 pm
Paine is the best pure wicket keeper in Australia IMO and thats because he is equally comfortable taking both pace or spin.....he is workmanlike with the bat and gritty but isnt at the same level as a Wade or a lot of the other international keepers who can flay attacks and win matches even though Paine has a reasonable average.
Keeping is devalued in the modern era, when I was younger it was your keeping ability that got you picked first and if you could bat it was a bonus...now its probably 50/50 with a leaning towards batting keepers especlally in other countries.
Pant isnt a great keeper IMO but he can bat and flay the bowling, DeKock another who is a matchwinner with the bat and ok as a keeper but nothing brilliant IMO...England are blessed with Bairstow another good batsman who can keep as well as Joss Butler and new wonderboy Ben Foakes who made a century on debut as a fill in keeper bat...

Paine's batting will probably come under scrutiny in England especially if his English counterparts are firing like they have been but I wouldnt be replacing him with Wade in an effort to match Bairstow, Foakes extra matchwinning batting ability. Wade has to make it as a batsman only IMO and will need more runs at Shield level with some big scores....IMO the selectors may still ignore Wade for younger players...

Paine's technique is far greater than Wade's and England is exactly where you want a straight bat.
Paine's batting is not the problem, its the clowns up the order that we need to address.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gointocarlton on January 22, 2019, 08:40:21 pm
Paine's technique is far greater than Wade's and England is exactly where you want a straight bat.
Paine's batting is not the problem, its the clowns up the order that we need to address.
Australian Crickets woes in 12 words or less.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 23, 2019, 08:12:09 am
Australian Crickets woes in 12 words or less.

Ha..yeah...and the clowns up the order don't stop when you get to the top of the Test batting order either....the clowns keep going the further up you go !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 24, 2019, 01:56:28 pm
Any chance of Timmy ever winning the toss?

 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 24, 2019, 02:16:08 pm
Any chance of Timmy ever winning the toss?

Any chance of Cummins getting the new ball ?

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 24, 2019, 02:32:39 pm
And whats worse is that the new boy is giving Starc a lesson in line & length !!!

Time for the fascination with Starc wasting the new ball to end.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 24, 2019, 03:12:15 pm
Above X 100000

Starc shown up by a kid in his first game.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 24, 2019, 03:14:41 pm
Above X 100000

Starc shown up by a kid in his first game.

Richardson looks handy but very little opposition...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 24, 2019, 04:48:41 pm
Richardson looks handy but very little opposition...

Which makes Starcs wicketless performance stand out even more ...Richardsons got 3 now, perfect seam position.  Ashes tour, lock it in.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on January 24, 2019, 04:50:59 pm
Any chance of Timmy ever winning the toss?
:) It is a dying art for Australian captains.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 24, 2019, 05:32:03 pm
Refreshing to see an Australian quick moving it around and consistently bowling a line and length that questions the batsman's technique.

Starc bowls too full or short... And is wasting a pitch he should be excelling on.   And most worryingly,  is gunbarrell straight.  Too much fast,   innocuous crap.    Doesn't build or maintain pressure.

So,  no swing Starc is a liability.  He wouldn't be in my team for England on the dross he's bowling ATM.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 24, 2019, 10:22:22 pm
Burns must be in good form otherwise he wouldn't have touched that ball,  which swung and seamed - absolute peach. Sometimes you get a good one.

Khawaja is wearing my patience....committed batting suicide ten minutes from stumps.   Keeps finding ways to get out to off spin.  Has had just about as many chances as the Marsh brothers this bloke.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 25, 2019, 01:51:50 am
Burns must be in good form otherwise he wouldn't have touched that ball,  which swung and seamed - absolute peach. Sometimes you get a good one.

Khawaja is wearing my patience....committed batting suicide ten minutes from stumps.   Keeps finding ways to get out to off spin.  Has had just about as many chances as the Marsh brothers this bloke.

Burns is ordinary IMO and Khawaja overhyped...that attack they faced has to be about the worst in test cricket.....and their batting isnt much better, anyone failing to make runs vs this mob doesnt have much of a future.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 25, 2019, 07:49:32 am
Hearing you EB but there is a perception issue at play I reckon. Burns looks heavy footed and isn't the most fluent looking bat but what he did do looked good technically... When he played shots they stayed hit, and it took a real Jaffa to get him.   Whereas Khawaja looks fluid and stylish... But is scratching around like an old chook with the odd flashy shot from the pacemen punctuated by ugly get out shots versus pedestrian spinners.  Been a long time since he has made real runs and has survived a long time by "looking good" without real results.  His inability against spin is embarrassing and the side can't afford his soft dismissals any more.

Personally I reckon Burns looks a natural five or six,  with all the shots and the ability to go hard,  just don't see why he has elected to open.  He's a better player than Head,  by a long way,  now theres a bloke who chucks his wicket away far too easily.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 25, 2019, 08:01:16 am
I thought that all of our batsmen looked shaky.  Granted that it was a difficult time to bat but they all seem to have technique issues.

It’s not exactly a clash of titans  ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 25, 2019, 08:12:21 am
I reckon it was a good taster for England,  really like the pink ball tests as the conditions and pitches that are prepared give the bowlers a chance.

Sure as my RRRs point downwards, Jimmy the pest is going to go through our blokes like a dose of salts. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 25, 2019, 08:22:46 am
Burns must be in good form otherwise he wouldn't have touched that ball,  which swung and seamed - absolute peach. Sometimes you get a good one.

Khawaja is wearing my patience....committed batting suicide ten minutes from stumps.   Keeps finding ways to get out to off spin.  Has had just about as many chances as the Marsh brothers this bloke.

Yep, he is a walking wicket....you have no confidence when he walks out to bat & he is batting with no purpose at all, not even looking for singles to rotate strike.

Your #3 has to be someone who can take back control of the game if an early wicket is lost, or put it out of reach if the openers put on a good first wicket stand.  I cringe when I think of the  #3s Australia has had in past years.......and compare that to what we've got now.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on January 25, 2019, 09:28:33 am
Windies rolled the Poms for 77 overnight on a bouncy pitch in Barbados
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 25, 2019, 11:25:45 am
Life's more interesting when bowlers have a chance. Funny coincidence how we rolled out roads for India.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 25, 2019, 07:47:25 pm
Life's more interesting when bowlers have a chance. Funny coincidence how we rolled out roads for India.

Yes, very funny!  >:D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 25, 2019, 09:27:46 pm
Why do we persist in giving Starc the new ball to waste?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 25, 2019, 10:03:57 pm
Why do we persist in giving Starc the new ball to waste?

He plays a very individual game.
Bowls like it’s all about him.
The hero ball is sooooo important
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 25, 2019, 10:22:18 pm
When is this pie chucker going to bowl his "hero ball"? When did he last land his full bunger? Perth?

Time for Cummins to take the new ball,  long over due.

Starc has been poor for three consecutive series,  time for him to find form in the shield and give another young quick a try.  Balls wide down leg suggests that he has technical issues to address.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on January 26, 2019, 09:15:13 pm
Cummins did the job this test. Maybe a few people will look in his direction now.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 26, 2019, 09:31:22 pm
Cummins did the job this test. Maybe a few people will look in his direction now.

Think we need to be careful we dont over burden Cummins and give him too much to do...Hazlewood back in the team for Starc and to open the bowling with Richardson with Cummins 1st change.
I'd also be careful in assessing this performance...Sri Lanka are terrible and nothing like the teams that had great players like Sangakarra, Vass,Jayasuriya,Murali etc, this is the worst test team of the established cricket nations in the world by a long way...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 27, 2019, 09:42:16 am
Didn't stop them flogging us at home.   We're no great shakes either EB,  I'm taking what we get.

Khawaja and Start out this test,  which is basically a practice match for all intents and purposes.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Sexybronco on January 27, 2019, 11:10:33 am
Didn't stop them flogging us at home.   We're no great shakes either EB,  I'm taking what we get.

Khawaja and Start out this test,  which is basically a practice match for all intents and purposes.

Would like to see us blooding Picovski in the next test, Khawaja has been tried and come up short on multiple occasions. If Smith and Warner come back into this team they add instant experience and stability around which the younger players can flourish.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 27, 2019, 11:24:22 am
Marnus to three, Puchovski to six,  Stoinis seven,  plus a replacement for Starc.  Tremain?

Tough on Patterson after one test but we've got to have an eye to the Ashes etc and have multiple blokes eligible for county cricket.  

Pretty clear that the selectors have ruled a line through older blokes  like Maxwell,  Finch,  the Marshes .... Maybe Khawaja too. We're looking at generational change here.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Sexybronco on January 27, 2019, 11:31:34 am
Marnus to three, Puchovski to six,  Stoinis seven,  plus a replacement for Starc.  Tremain?

Tough on Patterson after one test but we've got to have an eye to the Ashes etc and have multiple blokes eligible for county cricket.  

Pretty clear that the selectors have ruled a line through older blokes  like Maxwell,  Finch,  the Marshes .... Maybe Khawaja too. We're looking at generational change here.

Patterson will play next test and probably Starc too as he has credits in the bank. Richardson gives us a ready to go option for the Ashes which is great for the team, a couple of young bats that can handle the swinging ball would be great.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on January 27, 2019, 12:29:05 pm
To my way of thinking, Starc is trying too hard and is out of form. I'd give him a rest, then get him to play in the Shield for a while. He can find some form and confidence, maybe even some rhythm, and certainly a good dose of fun. A refreshed and in-form Starc is a weapon to use in the Ashes. But the one we have toiling away at the moment is not getting anywhere for anyone.

At the moment there are some quicks going around: Boland, Tremaine and a number of others. I would give one of them an opportunity. The Manuka pitch has a history of being a road, unlike the 'Gabba, which is the most 'Australian friendly' pitch we have. Other states could really learn from the 'Gabba, especially the MCG and the SCG, whose pitches have been albatrosses around our necks.

I would also drop Khawaja: he hasn't been able to get himself into any form this summer. He went from injury to test cricket (because we needed him badly), and it didn't work. His timing touch and aggressive instincts are not there. He also needs a week or 2 rest, and a good period of Shield cricket to get him prepared for England.
If he can't find form, then I wouldn't take him: English conditions do not favour a batsman who is struggling, as the ball moves around more.

Warner and Smith have to come into the side on talent, but both are under injury clouds at the moment. That doesn't help our Ashes preparation at all. A half fit Smith might be better than a half fit Khawaja, but it won't help anyone in England.

I would give Pucovski a game, a taste of what he will be facing for the next decade. He can't do any worse than Khawaja has, nor Marsh before him. I think he should go to England, even though I can't see him in the team as a permanent fixture yet.

There are a few guys, like Wade, who have put their hands up. It is probably too late for them to get into the team at the moment, but with a possible 17 man squad for England, there are places there for guys who perform.

NB: The bouncy pitch in the Caribbean showed that even a good looking English team can be smashed on the right sort of pitches. The various ground trusts need to note that and prepare pitches that suit us. Like the 'Gabba, which is a drop in pitch. If they can get it right, then so can the rest. Providing pitches that suit the opposition is the WRONG way of going about things. Other countries doctor their pitches, especially in Asia. Turn-about is fair play!
NB: The guy who did the 'Gabba did the pitch at Cairns for the test match there. The pitch for the test there wasn't perfect, but it had similar characteristics to what we want. If Cairns can do it, the rest certainly can!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 27, 2019, 01:23:44 pm
I believe the Gabba is the only test venue with an in ground wicket block,  not drop ins.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 27, 2019, 07:19:20 pm
Richardson looks handy but very little opposition...

It was more about how he bowled than who he bowled too. A couple of those deliveries in the first innings were brilliant to the point of unplayable. You won't see a better delivery than the one he got rid of Mendis with by anyone all year.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 29, 2019, 08:16:09 am
Typical of the humility of the bloke, Cummins gets a big write up in the papers....and all he keeps mentioning is how Starc is still the main man.  As I said, fantastic loyalty & humility.....but sadly misguided.

Cummins is the #1 bowler in the team....by a huge margin, also reflected in his shooting up the rankings to #3 in the world.  Starting to get beyond a joke if he's not given a shot at the new ball in the next test.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 29, 2019, 10:31:22 am
Broadcasters have demanded Cricket Australia take urgent steps to arrest the declining standards of the Big Bash League.

There are still three weeks remaining of the inaugural 59-game season but already robust discussions have been instigated behind the scenes by Fox Cricket and Seven, who are growing increasingly agitated about their $175 million-a-year investment.

It’s understood the TV rights holders are not arguing to reduce the number of games, but are lobbying for other dramatic changes they believe necessary to save the extended seven-week competition from withering on the vine over the course of their six-year deal.


There’s a belief that the lack of resources for the BBL to even compete for A-list international names such as AB de Villiers and Andre Russell has led to a talent and star-power crisis for many teams forced to top up their rosters with club cricketers. Fox and Seven believe a season running as long as the Indian Premier League can work, but only if other critical measures are taken to support the move to an elongated schedule.

Broadcasters are asking for:

• A major increase to the current $1.7m salary cap to bring back international stars;

• A boost in the number of international marquee spots from two per side to as many as four;

• A crackdown on the dire state of pitches being used around the country that has ruined the spectacle at many grounds, with fewer sixes and lower scores;

• Amendments to the schedule to help bring back crowds.

On Sunday night, the Seven Network promoted on their Twitter feed comments from Brisbane Heat star Chris Lynn arguing that the season is too long:

“I think 14 games (per side) is too many … that’s just the vibe I’m getting,” Lynn said.

Lynn’s comments might not have accurately reflected the network’s view, but the post — and the reaction to it — encapsulated the widespread angst behind the scenes from broadcasters, players, coaches and fans alike who feel the competition has gone backwards.

Television ratings for the Big Bash this summer are exceeding both Fox and Seven’s expectations, but both rights holders fear for long-term sustainability unless immediate changes are made by CA at the end of this BBL season.

Broadcasters feel the chances of a 59-game season succeeding have been badly compromised by such a negligible increase to the salary cap — and want to see the mega dollars they have laid out for rights better invested in the BBL.

Under the MOU, the salary cap is only increasing by about $75,000 per year, grossly inadequate according to the networks who have despaired as the likes of de Villiers, Russell, Chris Gayle and Jason Roy — not to mention David Warner and Steve Smith — have featured instead in the Bangladesh Premier League, which offers more money for less work.

The few stars that have signed up for this BBL have in many cases required a large slice of the cap and left teams to fill out their rosters with club cricketers. This has led to criticism of the poor standard of fielding and batting.

Broadcasters don’t believe two internationals on each roster is enough and are demanding more overseas signings, but CA could potentially face opposition from the Australian Cricketers Association if there are fewer jobs for homegrown players.

There is a belief CA will listen to the growing discontent. CA chief executive Kevin Roberts has acknowledged pitches in the first half of the BBL were unacceptable, and isn’t shying away from making scheduling tweaks, but he has flagged the prospect that a BBL salary cap increase could take money away from Sheffield Shield players.

“(The salary cap) is certainly something we’ll keep an eye on over time,” Roberts said on SEN.

“We need to be competitive in terms of player payments and make sure we really cement the position of the BBL in the top two domestic T20 leagues in the world.

“If you’re paying players more for one format you need to reduce pay in another format typically.”

The Fox Cricket channel has accounted for 99 of the top 100 programs on Foxtel over summer and 5.7 per cent of all TV viewing across free-to-air and subscription services. This gives Fox a high-rating sport outside the winter football codes and motor racing.

An average 327,000 viewers tuned in to one-day internationals on Foxtel with 218,000 for BBL matches and 247,000 for Tests simulcast with Seven.







Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 29, 2019, 12:05:32 pm
Warning, if you own an OLED TV and watch cricket.

Beware of the bright red Channel 7 HD logo, it is reported to be burning in to many TV's after only a few days of watching the 7 HD broadcast of test cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 29, 2019, 01:30:52 pm
Broadcasters have demanded Cricket Australia take urgent steps to arrest the declining standards of the Big Bash League.

There are still three weeks remaining of the inaugural 59-game season but already robust discussions have been instigated behind the scenes by Fox Cricket and Seven, who are growing increasingly agitated about their $175 million-a-year investment.

It’s understood the TV rights holders are not arguing to reduce the number of games, but are lobbying for other dramatic changes they believe necessary to save the extended seven-week competition from withering on the vine over the course of their six-year deal.


There’s a belief that the lack of resources for the BBL to even compete for A-list international names such as AB de Villiers and Andre Russell has led to a talent and star-power crisis for many teams forced to top up their rosters with club cricketers. Fox and Seven believe a season running as long as the Indian Premier League can work, but only if other critical measures are taken to support the move to an elongated schedule.

Broadcasters are asking for:

• A major increase to the current $1.7m salary cap to bring back international stars;

• A boost in the number of international marquee spots from two per side to as many as four;

• A crackdown on the dire state of pitches being used around the country that has ruined the spectacle at many grounds, with fewer sixes and lower scores;

• Amendments to the schedule to help bring back crowds.

On Sunday night, the Seven Network promoted on their Twitter feed comments from Brisbane Heat star Chris Lynn arguing that the season is too long:

“I think 14 games (per side) is too many … that’s just the vibe I’m getting,” Lynn said.

Lynn’s comments might not have accurately reflected the network’s view, but the post — and the reaction to it — encapsulated the widespread angst behind the scenes from broadcasters, players, coaches and fans alike who feel the competition has gone backwards.

Television ratings for the Big Bash this summer are exceeding both Fox and Seven’s expectations, but both rights holders fear for long-term sustainability unless immediate changes are made by CA at the end of this BBL season.

Broadcasters feel the chances of a 59-game season succeeding have been badly compromised by such a negligible increase to the salary cap — and want to see the mega dollars they have laid out for rights better invested in the BBL.

Under the MOU, the salary cap is only increasing by about $75,000 per year, grossly inadequate according to the networks who have despaired as the likes of de Villiers, Russell, Chris Gayle and Jason Roy — not to mention David Warner and Steve Smith — have featured instead in the Bangladesh Premier League, which offers more money for less work.

The few stars that have signed up for this BBL have in many cases required a large slice of the cap and left teams to fill out their rosters with club cricketers. This has led to criticism of the poor standard of fielding and batting.

Broadcasters don’t believe two internationals on each roster is enough and are demanding more overseas signings, but CA could potentially face opposition from the Australian Cricketers Association if there are fewer jobs for homegrown players.

There is a belief CA will listen to the growing discontent. CA chief executive Kevin Roberts has acknowledged pitches in the first half of the BBL were unacceptable, and isn’t shying away from making scheduling tweaks, but he has flagged the prospect that a BBL salary cap increase could take money away from Sheffield Shield players.

“(The salary cap) is certainly something we’ll keep an eye on over time,” Roberts said on SEN.

“We need to be competitive in terms of player payments and make sure we really cement the position of the BBL in the top two domestic T20 leagues in the world.

“If you’re paying players more for one format you need to reduce pay in another format typically.”

The Fox Cricket channel has accounted for 99 of the top 100 programs on Foxtel over summer and 5.7 per cent of all TV viewing across free-to-air and subscription services. This gives Fox a high-rating sport outside the winter football codes and motor racing.

An average 327,000 viewers tuned in to one-day internationals on Foxtel with 218,000 for BBL matches and 247,000 for Tests simulcast with Seven.

Think AB Devilliers made it common knowledge he doesnt want to play overseas anymore as he wants to spend more time with his young family and only needs to play IPL for Bangalore to earn what he needs.
Dont see him playing Big Bash unless the money was way way too good to refuse and I dont see the BBL ever getting close to being able to afford what the IPL pays him...did read he was contemplating playing in the Pakistan 20/20 comp but they must be offering mega bucks..
I'd question the interest in 20/20 cricket in Australia...I dont go out of my way to watch it and with a small population in Aus I dont see it ever having the organic growth to compete with the overseas 20/20 comps...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 29, 2019, 01:51:54 pm
Think AB Devilliers made it common knowledge he doesnt want to play overseas anymore as he wants to spend more time with his young family and only needs to play IPL for Bangalore to earn what he needs.
Dont see him playing Big Bash unless the money was way way too good to refuse and I dont see the BBL ever getting close to being able to afford what the IPL pays him...did read he was contemplating playing in the Pakistan 20/20 comp but they must be offering mega bucks..
I'd question the interest in 20/20 cricket in Australia...I dont go out of my way to watch it and with a small population in Aus I dont see it ever having the organic growth to compete with the overseas 20/20 comps...

There is only one thing that makes all 20/20 comps tick, and that is money.
The TV stations have paid the big bucks, now they want to have a say in the distribution of the payments to players and the scheduling.
CA should increase the Cap of each side and get more sponsorship for the better product.

If CA play this right they may be able to manipulate a scenario that allows BBL to be moved to it's very own time slot, outside of December and January.
All of February and a week or two of March sounds ideal.

That would leave first class cricket to support test cricket, at the time of the year that it should.
Have the first class final finished by end of January.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 29, 2019, 02:11:31 pm
The TV stations have paid the big bucks, now they want to have a say in the distribution of the payments to players and the scheduling.

It seems like big bucks but for a week(24x7) of continuous programming it's dirt cheap compared to the alternatives. There is a reason blokes like Packer ended up billionaires.

CA didn't have the balls in the past to do anything about it, but in reality from a cost of production/airtime perspective the BBL alone is worth half an AFL season! Even more than AFL they get a certified Ad opportunity every 3 minutes through the entire broadcast with drinks breaks and change of innings an extra!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 29, 2019, 02:15:25 pm
There is only one thing that makes all 20/20 comps tick, and that is money.
The TV stations have paid the big bucks, now they want to have a say in the distribution of the payments to players and the scheduling.
CA should increase the Cap of each side and get more sponsorship for the better product.

If CA play this right they may be able to manipulate a scenario that allows BBL to be moved to it's very own time slot, outside of December and January.
All of February and a week or two of March sounds ideal.

That would leave first class cricket to support test cricket, at the time of the year that it should.
Have the first class final finished by end of January.

Its a TV game really so I can understand why they would want a say in scheduling, getting more sponsorship wont be easy to pay those big name players.
Agree BBL needs its own time slot, February for 3 weeks IMO....Aus are due to play a ODI series in India I think end of Feb/March, dont see CA being able to alter international fixturing too much.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on February 01, 2019, 10:58:56 am
Not an expert in the field of test cricket but I always thought batting was about leaving the deliveries that are wide and swinging. Sri Lanka bowling poor line and picking up wickets easily. This is far from international standard batting by Australia. Far from it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on February 01, 2019, 11:01:08 am
Called it two tests ago,  Khawaja lucky to be playing this test,  won't be going to England.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 01, 2019, 11:31:38 am
Called it two tests ago,  Khawaja lucky to be playing this test,  won't be going to England.

Even worse ProfE, we have selectors and coaches that keep making these selections!

We've a generation of cross bat hacks who can dominate T20 or ODI yet struggle at any venue that isn't dead flat and free of swing.

Not taking anything away from Fernando, the kid is not a bad bowler and I have no idea why Sri Lanka don't play him more, if only we have a few quicks who could keep a seam straight instead of bowling the "mystery ball!"

PS: I've worked out why they call it the mystery ball, because the bowlers have no idea of what they are doing it's all a mystery to them!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 01, 2019, 03:59:58 pm
Even worse ProfE, we have selectors and coaches that keep making these selections!

We've a generation of cross bat hacks who can dominate T20 or ODI yet struggle at any venue that isn't dead flat and free of swing.

Not taking anything away from Fernando, the kid is not a bad bowler and I have no idea why Sri Lanka don't play him more, if only we have a few quicks who could keep a seam straight instead of bowling the "mystery ball!"

PS: I've worked out why they call it the mystery ball, because the bowlers have no idea of what they are doing it's all a mystery to them!

Sri Lanka like I keep saying are rubbish and this is their second string attack playing on a freeway, yep they swung the ball early but the average Joe(Burns) had the good sense to leave those wide deliveries alone and built an innings knowing the Lankans would be easy prey after 15 overs and the shine off the ball.....Harris and Khawaja chased wide harmless deliveries, the latter played a disinterested shot with his hand losing its grip on the bat and just doesnt seem too bothered about making runs this summer at all...this stuff with his brother seems to have messed his mind up and he cant focus at all.
Marnus is no 3 or 4 either and should bat around six with Patterson at 3..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on February 01, 2019, 04:45:36 pm
Burns and Head look to have cemented their spots in eleven for the next several years.  Although, with our selectors, they could both make way for the Marsh brothers next Test  ::)

Dean Jones has a campaign going to sack the selectors and he makes some interesting points in his most recent article

Quote
In April every year, selectors sit down in front of the CA board to present their vision, philosophies and policies for the upcoming year. I think it’s time for the newly appointed CEO Kevin Roberts to bring this meeting forward to next week.
...

Once Roberts has heard each selectors' point of view, he should thank them for their service to Australian cricket. Then his next job should be to start the search for two-three new selectors.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/selectors-are-the-biggest-problem-in-australian-cricket-20190124-p50tfk.html
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 01, 2019, 05:35:29 pm
Burns and Head look to have cemented their spots in eleven for the next several years.  Although, with our selectors, they could both make way for the Marsh brothers next Test  ::)

Dean Jones has a campaign going to sack the selectors and he makes some interesting points in his most recent article

Warner will play with either Burns or Harris as his partner. Harris looks a good player but always gets out to a $hit shot when going. Burn's experience playing at the Gabba, where it swings and seams, might help him in England.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on February 01, 2019, 08:23:31 pm
Bowling was she-it and the blokes made runs but were both dropped at critical times, for example,  Patterson first ball.  So not as enamoured of the batting as others... And Khawaja is taking the p!ss...bats like doesn't care.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 01, 2019, 10:31:21 pm
Bowling was she-it and the blokes made runs but were both dropped at critical times, for example,  Patterson first ball.  So not as enamoured of the batting as others... And Khawaja is taking the p!ss...bats like doesn't care.

Ditto.....like I said this is the Sr Lankan B grade attack and their A grade attack is about as potent as a maccas soft serve on a 40 degree day.....Burns played sensibly and good luck to him but
that attack on a friendly pitch is about as easy as its going to get anywhere in the world.
We need to be playing the better test nations at home and playing Aus A teams vs Sri Lanka, the Bangers etc.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on February 02, 2019, 02:21:06 pm
First over is evidence that Starc is in the side on false pretenses.... Seam scrambled and zero control.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on February 02, 2019, 04:39:02 pm
We could bowl underarm and it wouldn't matter on this pitch.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on February 03, 2019, 09:32:39 pm
Batsmen still find ways to get out,  even on a benign pitch.

Starc is bowling hell quick but worringingly,  still no movement,  and the Lanka batters have played the quick bowlers appallingly.   Seriously,  one of them is going to get badly hurt handling bowlers like that. Helmet or not,  take your eyes off the pill and you're asking for trouble.

Ducking into balls,  treading on the wicket,  going the periscope.... It isn't going to get easier when their tour continues to South Africa.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 03, 2019, 09:57:36 pm
Going to be interesting in England, the Poms have been appalling vs the Windies and their batting looks as about as reliable as ours..with Smith and Warner back in we might favourites. Khawaja made runs today but it was junk time stuff and i remain unconvinced about him but now he is a cert to be picked for England...
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Post by: malo on February 04, 2019, 08:00:53 am
Starc getting 5 & Khawaja getting a ton in this barely first class match is the worst thing that could have happened leading up the the Ashes.....they will now be a lock in for all 5 tests...

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Sexybronco on February 04, 2019, 09:18:09 am
Starc getting 5 & Khawaja getting a ton in this barely first class match is the worst thing that could have happened leading up the the Ashes.....they will now be a lock in for all 5 tests...
Hard not to lock Starc in however agree on Khawaja as this series came at the perfect time for him. No guarantees he wont let us down in England.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on February 04, 2019, 09:25:37 am
Starcs rhythm is good but he still isn't bowling well.  I don't think short fast and a lot of crap will work well in England,  and he'll be expensive.   Rarely managed a decent full ball,  many over pitched on leg or outside off volleys than were dispatched. Good lengths and movement is what you want over there and he isn't offering that at the moment.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on February 04, 2019, 10:04:48 am
Brett Lee had his day when speed was number one in his head. More so than line and length. Speed isn’t everything. It’s a bonus but not the be all end all.
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Post by: flyboy77 on February 04, 2019, 12:35:11 pm
4 for 22 off 10 overs....

Surely he's finding his form (even if the batters are sub par)?

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 04, 2019, 12:42:15 pm
Brett Lee had his day when speed was number one in his head. More so than line and length. Speed isn’t everything. It’s a bonus but not the be all end all.

I'd almost go as far to say pace is the least important thing about fast bowling, accuracy, repeatability, control, endurance, cunning and subtly are all more important than pace.

I think too many batsmen select test teams, they pick pure pace because it's what gave them the biggest scare as in crapting themselves! But the people doing the picking forget that the pace that really put the wind up them, Lillee, McGrath, Garner, Holding, Roberts, Ambrose, Donald, Akram, Khan, etc, etc, all had ridiculous levels of control.

The pace bowlers without the control, guys like Akhtar, Tait, Malinga, Edwards, etc., etc, barely rate a mention in relation to the rest!

If Anderson is fit for the Ashes he'll be all over our batsmen at only about 90% of Starc's pace!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on February 04, 2019, 01:47:57 pm
Heck of a lot better lengths and some movement. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 04, 2019, 02:36:41 pm
Heck of a lot better lengths and some movement.

One could be buoyed by the latest Starc effort, but then Labuschagne started getting wickets and that tells you something about the opposition! It's like being dismissed by Little Johnny Howard and his subcontinent leggies! ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 04, 2019, 02:51:04 pm
I'd almost go as far to say pace is the least important thing about fast bowling, accuracy, repeatability, control, endurance, cunning and subtly are all more important than pace.

Trouble is.....you can obtain all of that with repetition & training & experience.......you can't teach or obtain extreme pace...so, to be a great FAST bowler (not a fast medium), you have to have pace to start with.  It is the essential building block.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 04, 2019, 03:52:11 pm
Trouble is.....you can obtain all of that with repetition & training & experience.......you can't teach or obtain extreme pace...so, to be a great FAST bowler (not a fast medium), you have to have pace to start with.  It is the essential building block.

How long before Starc gets in then, before he retires?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 04, 2019, 03:56:19 pm
How long before Starc gets in then, before he retires?

:-)

yep, well.....some do learn....some just don't !

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 05, 2019, 10:39:18 am
BTW, did anyone watch that underarm docco last night ?.  I had some pre-conceived fears about what it would be like……and it was exactly as I predicted.

Over dramatized, presenting the poor little Kiwis as being hard done by the whole summer, including the balls leading up to that last one (Hadlees LBW was just stone dead out …..end of story),  no interviews with the real senior players in the side apart from Chappell (Lillee, Marsh ),  and I get the feeling that some NZ players (Howarth particularly) just have never let it go…….get over it…..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 05, 2019, 11:21:35 am
BTW, did anyone watch that underarm docco last night ?.  I had some pre-conceived fears about what it would be like……and it was exactly as I predicted.

Over dramatized, presenting the poor little Kiwis as being hard done by the whole summer, including the balls leading up to that last one (Hadlees LBW was just stone dead out …..end of story),  no interviews with the real senior players in the side apart from Chappell (Lillee, Marsh ),  and I get the feeling that some NZ players (Howarth particularly) just have never let it go…….get over it…..

I watched it.....seemed the Kiwi's got more off field benefit out of it and it really helped sell the game in NZ(and plenty of anti aus t-shirts) and weld the community together, as Howarth said they were more popular than the all blacks for a short period of time. The bloke who suffered the most was Trevor Chappell IMO, he looked very old and tired on that interview and I reckon Greg would feel more guilty what he did to his brother than the game.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on February 05, 2019, 01:06:09 pm
Greg always given the impression that he couldn't care less about Trev,  comes across as a single minded, ruthless individual. Winning was what counted then,  bugger the consequences.

Kiwis are just pissed because they lost.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 06, 2019, 10:16:56 am
Lehmann gets it.....

 - One man who understands Langer's scheduling frustrations better than most is his predecessor Darren Lehmann, who last week called for Khawaja to focus on the climax of the Shield season instead of the Indian tour.
Speaking before Khawaja's drought-breaking century against Sri Lanka in Canberra, Lehmann said allowing the left-hander to play a solid block of first-class cricket away from the glare of the international spotlight would be a fillip for Australia's Ashes campaign.
"If I'm fair dinkum about batting him (at) three in the Ashes, I don't think you can take him to the one day series against India and Pakistan," Lehmann told Macquarie Sports Radio.
"I think he's got to play the four Shield games at the back end with the Dukes ball and get some form."


Langer just doesn't.....

 - Australia's leading players won't be excused from the upcoming white-ball tour of Asia in order to play the final rounds of the JLT Sheffield Shield, with coach Justin Langer saying their World Cup defence is his main focus despite the Ashes also fast approaching.
While acknowledging the importance of the Shield in instructing Australia's Ashes squad, Langer said there was no thought of holding back some players from the ODI campaigns and prioritising critical practice against the red Dukes ball.



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on February 06, 2019, 10:52:24 am
Amplifies what an idiot Langer really is
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on February 06, 2019, 11:46:56 am
Amplifies what an idiot Langer really is

Yes, honing one’s craft in the Shield should be the priority both for our more seasoned players and those pressing for Ashes selection.

I think that India is leading the way in selecting the best teams for T20, ODI and Tests with few players making all three squads. 

Still, I don’t think Langer is the only one who has lost the plot; he has many mates at Cricket Australia who should be following different careers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 06, 2019, 08:13:29 pm
I watched it.....seemed the Kiwi's got more off field benefit out of it and it really helped sell the game in NZ(and plenty of anti aus t-shirts) and weld the community together, as Howarth said they were more popular than the all blacks for a short period of time. The bloke who suffered the most was Trevor Chappell IMO, he looked very old and tired on that interview and I reckon Greg would feel more guilty what he did to his brother than the game.

I was actually there.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 06, 2019, 08:20:50 pm
Hard not to lock Starc in however agree on Khawaja as this series came at the perfect time for him. No guarantees he wont let us down in England.

Might be better opening with Khawaja and batting Patterson at 3, where he bats for NSW.

On English pitches I have Pattinson ahead of Starc and Richardson ahead of Hazelwood. Pattinson is surely fit by August.


At this stage of my rolling team

Warner
Khawaja
Patterson
Smith
Head
Purcovski/Wade/Stoinis (Not sure here yet. Wait for the last few games of the Shield)
Paine
Pattinson
Cummins
Lyon
Richardson

Wade is a surprisingly decent bowler with decent pace so can put in a few overs if needed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 06, 2019, 10:00:41 pm
Might be better opening with Khawaja and batting Patterson at 3, where he bats for NSW.

On English pitches I have Pattinson ahead of Starc and Richardson ahead of Hazelwood. Pattinson is surely fit by August.


At this stage of my rolling team

Warner
Khawaja
Patterson
Smith
Head
Purcovski/Wade/Stoinis (Not sure here yet. Wait for the last few games of the Shield)
Paine
Pattinson
Cummins
Lyon
Richardson

Wade is a surprisingly decent bowler with decent pace so can put in a few overs if needed.

Have this horrible feeling they will take Siddle...... :) :D, reckon Burns will tour also and open with Warner to have the right/left opening partnership, he is also a decent field unlike Khawaja..
Not sure on Wade either...doesnt seem in the selectors minds to me...might spring a surprise and take another younger keeper or a batsman who can keep like Handscomb.
Agree on Patterson...would bat him at No 3......
England were terrible vs the Windies and we should start favorites unless we stuff up at the selection table and Langar picks his favs....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 07, 2019, 08:31:58 am
Have this horrible feeling they will take Siddle...... :) :D, reckon Burns will tour also and open with Warner to have the right/left opening partnership, he is also a decent field unlike Khawaja..
Not sure on Wade either...doesnt seem in the selectors minds to me...might spring a surprise and take another younger keeper or a batsman who can keep like Handscomb.
Agree on Patterson...would bat him at No 3......
England were terrible vs the Windies and we should start favorites unless we stuff up at the selection table and Langar picks his favs....

Patterson just looks like a # 3 doesn't he ?...Pujara type.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 07, 2019, 08:34:29 am
I was actually there.

wow...yeah, I can only imagine what the crowd reaction was....disbelief I'm sure, similar to mine at home watching it !!

..how old were you (if I dare to ask ?)...only that a kid might not have been aware at the time of the full impact of what was happening.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 07, 2019, 09:03:19 am
One half decent game against B-Grade opponents and Starc is out injured!

Starc, Marsh and Marsh, when will the selectors learn?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 07, 2019, 10:17:34 am
Starc injured What is the deal?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DamonBlue on February 07, 2019, 01:35:05 pm
Starc injured What is the deal?

"Upper body soreness" is what I heard.  :-\
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 07, 2019, 01:57:28 pm
Starc injured What is the deal?

Torn pec.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 07, 2019, 01:58:14 pm
wow...yeah, I can only imagine what the crowd reaction was....disbelief I'm sure, similar to mine at home watching it !!

..how old were you (if I dare to ask ?)...only that a kid might not have been aware at the time of the full impact of what was happening.

23.....ssshhh...lol.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 07, 2019, 03:06:27 pm
Torn pec.

Close enough to the Heart....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DamonBlue on February 07, 2019, 03:15:50 pm
Have this horrible feeling they will take Siddle...... :) :D, reckon Burns will tour also and open with Warner to have the right/left opening partnership, he is also a decent field unlike Khawaja..
Not sure on Wade either...doesnt seem in the selectors minds to me...might spring a surprise and take another younger keeper or a batsman who can keep like Handscomb.
Agree on Patterson...would bat him at No 3......
England were terrible vs the Windies and we should start favorites unless we stuff up at the selection table and Langar picks his favs....

I like Laj's side, but I tend to agree with EB about Burns and Warner opening. Feel a bit for Harris - he's done pretty well and will be unlucky to miss out.

I frankly don't know what to do with Khawaja - such a frustrating player. He reminds me to an extent of Junior Waugh - plenty of talent and nice to watch but loses his wicket to stupid shots, too often. Interestingly, they have almost exactly the same average - 41ish. I'd keep him in for now, but give Purcovski a crack at some point, although he has some mental health issues again. Poor kid.

I've got absolutely no confidence in Wade. I realise it's not entirely rational, but I just don't believe in him. So, no for me. I'm not all convinced about Stoinis either and have Head just ahead of him.

I think we need to take Hazelwood, otherwise we have a pretty inexperienced pace attack that could crumble under pressure. Starc  out over there - no problem with that, other than that we might miss his batting! I'd take Richardson over Pattinson at this stage.

So, my side atm is:

Warner
Burns
Patterson
Smith
Khawaja
Head
Paine
Cummins
Lyon
Richardson
Hazelwood

Can't agree that we'll be favourites. Anderson puts their bowling well ahead of ours over there and there should be question marks about Warner's and Smith's ability to just step back into their past form.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 07, 2019, 04:19:54 pm
One half decent game against B-Grade opponents and Starc is out injured!

Starc, Marsh and Marsh, when will the selectors learn?

B grade would be over generous...more like E-D grade.....Lankans were terrible.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DamonBlue on February 07, 2019, 04:55:18 pm
And Hanscomb? .... There are some things I like about him, but no way. Selecting someone for an England tour who can't get onto his front foot, or even out his crease, should be an indictable offence. The only exception I can think of is Damien Martyn and Pete's well short of that quality.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 08, 2019, 07:18:33 am
And Hanscomb? .... There are some things I like about him, but no way. Selecting someone for an England tour who can't get onto his front foot, or even out his crease, should be an indictable offence. The only exception I can think of is Damien Martyn and Pete's well short of that quality.

Not sure what they are doing here, Handscomb has made a pile of runs in the UK in the past but not recently.

Hard to see other than playing the long game that selection is justified, Handscomb is still probably the front line option to Captain. I think hard numbers and form suggest that Wade has all these potential middle order batsmen comfortably covered at the moment. So I suspect there is a bit of politics involved, maybe there is no room for both Paine and Wade and the ACB have made their choice!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 08, 2019, 09:24:17 am
I frankly don't know what to do with Khawaja - such a frustrating player. He reminds me to an extent of Junior Waugh - plenty of talent and nice to watch but loses his wicket to stupid shots, too often. Interestingly, they have almost exactly the same average - 41ish.


Interesting that average compared to M Waugh......although I always felt that despite his laconic style & regular easy out shots, M Waugh had this knack of scoring runs when the side reaaaallllly needed it.

And, I for one, agree with that side...apart from Khawaja, but I agree that he'll get the nod.

Cummins is the key over there.  You don't need huge swingers of the ball, that's the mistake Hazelwood made last time he toured, you need good pace, seam up, right areas.  That's all Stuart Broad has done...and I would argue that he's always been more dangerous against us in those conditions than Anderson ever has.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DamonBlue on February 08, 2019, 09:52:29 am
Interesting that average compared to M Waugh......although I always felt that despite his laconic style & regular easy out shots, M Waugh had this knack of scoring runs when the side reaaaallllly needed it.

Agree with that Malo. Ussie certainly lacks in that area.
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Post by: Professer E on February 08, 2019, 10:33:49 am
Yep,  other than one feted example "cameos" Khawaja is all too often front and centre in a collapses, typically to a slack shot.   Like Sean Marsh,  i don't trust him to make runs, but view any contribution as a bonus.
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Post by: malo on February 08, 2019, 11:18:00 am
Yep,  other than one feted example "cameos" Khawaja is all too often front and centre in a collapses, typically to a slack shot.   Like Sean Marsh,  i don't trust him to make runs, but view any contribution as a bonus.

We just need a bloke coming at 3 who can stop 1 for 10  becoming 2 for 10 most of the time !!!

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Post by: spf on February 08, 2019, 01:38:57 pm
I know it's early in his career, but Patterson for mine should bat number 3. He does for NSW, and has done for several years. He has the technique and temperament to handle that spot.
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Post by: DamonBlue on February 08, 2019, 01:57:48 pm
I know it's early in his career, but Patterson for mine should bat number 3. He does for NSW, and has done for several years. He has the technique and temperament to handle that spot.

I agree, spf. See my side above. That puts Khawaja at 5, however (after Smith) and I'm still not sure about that.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 08, 2019, 04:23:39 pm
Yep,  other than one feted example "cameos" Khawaja is all too often front and centre in a collapses, typically to a slack shot.   Like Sean Marsh,  i don't trust him to make runs, but view any contribution as a bonus.


Agree....he is way too unreliable to be coming at No 3 and IMO doesnt deserve a game even with that junk time 100 he scored vs the Lankans, I also dont trust him in the slips either and
we wont get away with English batsman getting second chances.
This is a good chance to beat a weak England team going through a rebuild themselves....they ended up with three keepers in their top seven batsman vs the Windies and are a rabble
waiting to be clobbered IMO and we cant afford to let them off the hook by poor selections in key positions.
Also agree with the comments on Cummins..probably our matchwinning player who we need to cotton wool and not risk in any short format games...we need him cherry ripe for the ashes...
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Post by: Professer E on February 08, 2019, 06:13:23 pm
Khawaja dropped two slips catches recently, further proof that his head isn't right IMO.

Anybody going to England MUST be playing the shield season out, - no questions, just do it.  Of the "potentials" list, Pattinson (the Vic bowler) is one to watch.

Cummins is a critical player, he shouldn't be wasted in mickey mouse short format games on dead pitches, we have plenty of workhorse bowlers to use for that job.  You don't drive a Ferrari to the garden centre to collect a 1/4 cube of sand.
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Post by: Milhanna13 on February 10, 2019, 08:51:50 pm


This is a good chance to beat a weak England team going through a rebuild themselves....they ended up with three keepers in their top seven batsman vs the Windies and are a rabble

Yup - 1st test was 3 keepers, 3 batsman, 4 allrounders and 1 bowler... hopefully they keep up that selection sh1t in August
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 12, 2019, 10:59:03 am
One has to wonder if the recent better form of the cricket team is a result of the selectors backing them in and removing the ever present spectre of the Smith and Warner apparatchiks white-anting the current players!

I want Smith and Warner back, but not until the positions have been earned, and not as part of the leadership group, forever more they must remain worker bees. Smith should be Australia's version of a Dhoni consultancy forever more, Warner best shut the feck up and bat like a man possessed!
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Post by: flyboy77 on March 12, 2019, 11:35:39 am
Agreed, neither should ever have a leadership position again....

Some might say harsh on Smith, but... c'est la vie?
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Post by: JonHenry on March 12, 2019, 11:47:24 am
Warner has been banned from ever being a captain or vice captain for ever.
Smith has another 12 months before he can be considered for a leadership role.

Langers obsession with Mitch and Shaun Marsh became farcical.

Same with Finch, even after his score of 90, struggles with quality bowling.

The World Cup is now back in the frame.
We need high scoring bats, all rounders and only three specialist bowlers (As per last WC).

I would have Hanscomb keeping, giving us even more options.
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Post by: LP on March 12, 2019, 12:50:20 pm
Agreed, neither should ever have a leadership position again....

Some might say harsh on Smith, but... c'est la vie?

I realise Warner has coped the bulk of the retribution in this regard, but anyone who has played cricket knows full and well the situation didn't play out as described. Keeping a cricket captain in the dark or excluded from team tactical discussions is akin to an AFL player lying to the coach!

Same with Finch, even after his score of 90, struggles with quality bowling.

I would have Hanscomb keeping, giving us even more options.

While I cannot ignore batting form, I see that Finch has a worth far more than just his bat. Finch in captaincy not that different from Tubby Taylor, a unifying influence.

I won't talk about team selection and tactics because I doubt any batting or bowling in India or Dubai will be very relevant to the UK or Wales.
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Post by: JonHenry on March 14, 2019, 12:45:06 pm
Amazing effort by the Aussies last night.

To win in India after being 2 nil down, and on the back of winning the T20 over there was great

Usman was in great touch, everything was coming out of the middle.

Cummins and Lyon got us going, really turning the screws.

WC will be very interesting
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Post by: DJC on March 14, 2019, 01:05:40 pm
Yes, it was an amazing win under the circumstances.

I think that it was Finch who said that it would have been so easy to concede the series after being 0-2. 

Good signs for Aussie cricket ????

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 14, 2019, 01:09:14 pm
WC will be very interesting

Khawaja has thrown a curve ball, a lot would have had him first out the door for the return of Warner, not just from batting but from fielding.

Again, I wonder if this ACBs decision not to name Warner and Smith for Dubai has lifted the pressure off guys like Khawaja and Finch and freed them to play more naturally.
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Post by: JonHenry on March 14, 2019, 01:46:32 pm
Khawaja is a star when in from, second only to Smith.

He is the perfect option to opening the batting in ODI cricket, and as we have seen, if he gets on a roll he becomes very productive.

Marsh looks cooked, and Maxwell needs to perform when it counts.

The key to the WC will be team selection and flexibilty.

If Handscomb can keep, we could have Turner at 7, Stoinis at 8, Cummins/Starc at 9+10.

That would be a very formidable line up
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Post by: flyboy77 on March 14, 2019, 01:53:11 pm
Khawaja is a star when in from, second only to Smith.

He is the perfect option to opening the batting in ODI cricket, and as we have seen, if he gets on a roll he becomes very productive.

Marsh looks cooked, and Maxwell needs to perform when it counts.

The key to the WC will be team selection and flexibilty.

If Handscomb can keep, we could have Turner at 7, Stoinis at 8, Cummins/Starc at 9+10.

That would be a very formidable line up

Would rather Marsh over Handscomb any day of the week....the latter is entirely underwhelming. The former just frequently.

But perhaps a moot question with both Warner and Smith back in the mix.
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Post by: Professer E on March 14, 2019, 01:54:44 pm
Kohli was clearly the best player in the first couple of games.   This result was .... Well it raises my suspicions when such a feted side,  at home,  goes two up and loses the next three.  Good effort from our mob,  but lots of questions swirling around the other side.
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Post by: JonHenry on March 14, 2019, 02:05:20 pm
Kholi does not need money.
Why would he throw a match or series.
Possibly the fiercest cricket competitor we have seen
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Post by: LP on March 14, 2019, 03:46:53 pm
Kholi does not need money.
Why would he throw a match or series.
Possibly the fiercest cricket competitor we have seen

Yes, but he is addicted to breathing.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 14, 2019, 04:02:15 pm
Why didn't they continue with Dhoni?   He makes them a far better side, even on one leg. 
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Post by: LP on March 14, 2019, 04:06:43 pm
Why didn't they continue with Dhoni?   He makes them a far better side, even on one leg.

Yes, I agree, this Dhoni versus Pant debate is much like arguing Finch's worth.

Tactically in the field we are are 500% better with Finch than when Smith was captain, and with Dhoni India is much improved the same. I think this is the debate that rages, best player versus best captain. Cricket is one game in which I think carrying a good captain is justified, I don't judge cricket captains by their personal performance, it's why I think Tubby Taylor is the best captain we have seen for some decades. I realise Dhoni is not captain, but his influence is clear!

I'd previously accused Smith of captaining mechanistically, field settings and bowling changes looked way too prescribed. It looked like he was following a written script c/w cheat notes regardless of match circumstance, in hindsight perhaps it was a piece of sandpaper! :o

Now that would be funny, if the captain took his match notes out on the field written on the back of a piece of sandpaper!  The media would have a meltdown and yet the authorities might well be powerless, he could use one of those rolls of sandpaper like a dead-sea scroll! ;D
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 14, 2019, 05:08:42 pm
Khawaja is a star when in from, second only to Smith.

He is the perfect option to opening the batting in ODI cricket, and as we have seen, if he gets on a roll he becomes very productive.

Marsh looks cooked, and Maxwell needs to perform when it counts.

The key to the WC will be team selection and flexibilty.

If Handscomb can keep, we could have Turner at 7, Stoinis at 8, Cummins/Starc at 9+10.

That would be a very formidable line up

Agree on Handscomb but would play Stoinis in the middle order........I'm happy with Cummins at No 8.....
Khawaja is a iffy player IMO and I remain unconvinced plus his fielding is very ordinary.
Maxwell would be my No 6.....

WC will be tough and it might be small differences like fielding that win games and I prefer a team that doesnt carry any passengers in the field...
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Post by: chalkybill on March 14, 2019, 08:31:32 pm
Quote from: LP link=topic=154.msg264718#msg264718 date=1 :))552540003

Now that would be funny, if the captain took his match notes out on the field written on the back of a piece of sandpaper!  The media would have a meltdown and yet the authorities might well be powerless, he could use one of those rolls of sandpaper like a dead-sea scroll! ;D

Now what would be funny and probably rob the Barmy Army of their chanting/abuse would be if Smith took about 15 steps on to the field with an angle grinder before handing it over to someone to take back to the rooms :))  :))  :))
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Post by: Jack Burton on March 15, 2019, 02:03:40 pm
I was in Delhi for game 5 (now in Chennai). Couldn't get tickets unfortunately but watched the game in a bar with a lot of very unhappy Indians. The papers here the next day had big reports about lots of fighting among fans leaving the ground, almost sounded like a riot. Betting that wasn't reported in Australia?
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Post by: Sexybronco on March 15, 2019, 02:19:15 pm
I was in Delhi for game 5 (now in Chennai). Couldn't get tickets unfortunately but watched the game in a bar with a lot of very unhappy Indians. The papers here the next day had big reports about lots of fighting among fans leaving the ground, almost sounded like a riot. Betting that wasn't reported in Australia?

Nope but not surprising given how passionate they are about their cricket. To win a 5 game series in India from 2 games down is a huge achievement and even more so given where the team has come from in the last 12 months.
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Post by: Professer E on March 15, 2019, 04:11:36 pm
They can't win the WC without Dhoni.  Problem is that there isn't a ground in India big enough for all those egos...
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Post by: Milhanna13 on March 18, 2019, 03:55:06 pm


 I doubt any batting or bowling in India or Dubai will be very relevant to the UK or Wales.
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Not sure about that - England now play 2 spinners (plus JERoot) at all times.... and their bats like the spinners.   Look for most of the wickets (aside from Headingly etc) to turn....
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Post by: LP on March 18, 2019, 04:01:57 pm

 I doubt any batting or bowling in India or Dubai will be very relevant to the UK or Wales.


Not sure about that - England now play 2 spinners (plus JERoot) at all times.... and their bats like the spinners.   Look for most of the wickets (aside from Headingly etc) to turn....

I think it's fair to question the relevance, the UK's worst pitch will look lush compared to most subcontinent tracks. The ball will last longer and stay in better condition throughout the innings, the bounce of the pitches is significantly different even if they turn square, and the UK curators won't throw out considerations for the likes of an Anderson just to make life easier for a Root!
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Post by: LP on March 26, 2019, 10:35:43 am
Mankad or no mankad?

I don't see why the batsmen can be stumped but the non-striker is free to move off down the pitch with seemingly impunity!

Bowlers get no-balled for creeping a millimeter past the crease!

The media are focused on the specific mankad delivery, what about the other 40 or 50 deliveries Butler was the non-striker?
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Post by: Lods on March 26, 2019, 11:14:35 am
Mankad or no mankad?

I don't see why the batsmen can be stumped but the non-striker is free to move off down the pitch with seemingly impunity!

Bowlers get no-balled for creeping a millimeter past the crease!

The media are focused on the specific mankad delivery, what about the other 40 or 50 deliveries Butler was the non-striker?

Seems to be a fair bit of outrage.
"not really cricket" apparently

but looking at it from an objective (non-cricket person) point  of view I see it as rather arrogant that you can set off before the ball is bowled.
Out every time if you get caught doing in baseball and don't get back.

It's like running around the man on the mark and getting upset because the umpire calls play on.
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Post by: LP on March 26, 2019, 11:51:04 am
They have a full-time video Ref in these comps now.

Change the International T20 / ODI rules to make it a short run if the non-striker leaves the crease before the ball is released, and it will stop overnight!

Otherwise for all other levels of the game I find the rule is fine.
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Post by: Professer E on March 26, 2019, 12:23:36 pm
Imagine if an Aussie did that.
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Post by: DJC on March 26, 2019, 12:37:54 pm
Mankad or no mankad?

I don't see why the batsmen can be stumped but the non-striker is free to move off down the pitch with seemingly impunity!

Bowlers get no-balled for creeping a millimeter past the crease!

The media are focused on the specific mankad delivery, what about the other 40 or 50 deliveries Butler was the non-striker?

The batsman is “cheating” by leaving his crease early and a run out in those circumstances shouldn’t result in an outcry.

Interestingly, apart from Warne, most former Australian Test cricketers think it is fine.  The “To and Froms” are outraged  :)
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Post by: JonHenry on March 26, 2019, 12:44:22 pm
Never understood the outrage over Mankad.
The line at one end of the pitch surely is just as important as the line at the other.
Warne is proving himself a complete flog once again and should not talk about spirit of the game as if he holds some moral high ground.
Drugs and gambling?
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Post by: PaulP on March 26, 2019, 01:07:35 pm
You can't blame the players for playing to the rules. If there's a problem with the rules, then the Laws of the Game committee(s) need to sort it out. It's their job.

The furore over the Trevor Chappell underarm incident is the same. The amount that bloke has suffered is ridiculous for simply following orders and following the laws. What a crock.
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Post by: dodge on March 26, 2019, 03:50:16 pm
I'm not sure this should have been given out - without looking up the rule, I think it is along the lines of if the bowler has planted their front foot, the batsman can expect the bowler to bowl and is free to leave their crease.

Buttler hadn't left his crease at that time.

Certainly agree with the sentiment of batsman cheating by running early.

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Post by: Professer E on March 26, 2019, 06:43:43 pm
Etiquette normally dictates that you give a warning first.

Personally I don't see how it can be out... The bowler has not bowled a legitimate delivery,  so basically it is a dead ball situation as the ball has not returned into play?
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Post by: DJC on March 27, 2019, 08:24:33 am
Etiquette normally dictates that you give a warning first.

Personally I don't see how it can be out... The bowler has not bowled a legitimate delivery,  so basically it is a dead ball situation as the ball has not returned into play?

My understanding of the rule - and this comes from TV commentators discussing the rule after a similar dismissal many years ago - is that the ball has to leave the bowler’s hand before the bails can be removed, ie transfer the ball from right to left hand.  Don’t quote me on that  :)
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Post by: LP on March 27, 2019, 08:31:26 am
Etiquette normally dictates that you give a warning first.

Personally I don't see how it can be out... The bowler has not bowled a legitimate delivery,  so basically it is a dead ball situation as the ball has not returned into play?

The ball is live as soon as the bowler enters their delivery stride.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 27, 2019, 02:08:48 pm
The MCC has come out in support of Ashwin and the Mankad rule:

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However, the traditional custodians of the game's laws have ruled in Ashwin's favour.

The MCC released a statement which began by clarifying law 41.16 — non-striker leaving his/her ground early — and said the law was "essential".

"In relation to the incident, the wording of the law needs to be examined to understand it further," the MCC statement read.

"This law is essential. Without it, non-strikers could back up at liberty, several yards down the pitch, and a law is needed to prevent such action."
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Post by: sandsmere on March 27, 2019, 03:59:25 pm
The ball is live as soon as the bowler enters their delivery stride.

Yes.

That has been the rule for a long time.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 27, 2019, 04:10:35 pm
The MCC has come out in support of Ashwin and the Mankad rule:

It had to because that is the way the rule is written.

This run-out issue is pretty simple, it's like being booked for speeding, don't do it and you won't get caught!

But even so I reiterate, I'd make it a short run if the non-striker leaves the crease before the ball is released, the batsmen will stop doing it immediately.
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Post by: Professer E on March 27, 2019, 06:09:28 pm
Bit of a grey area... In his delivery stride ? .. But they take the bails before delivery, so technically there isnt one.

Need to tighten the wording I reckon but I'm OK with the rule in principle.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on March 27, 2019, 06:23:37 pm
If Warner had done what Ashwin did he'd be the worst bloke in the world (again)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on March 27, 2019, 08:12:59 pm
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/former-australian-cricketer-bruce-yardley-dies-20190327-p5186e.html
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 27, 2019, 09:37:14 pm
RIP Bruce ????

I always liked the way he went about his cricket.  He wasn’t the best cricketer but he always had a crack.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 27, 2019, 10:05:51 pm
RIP Bruce ????

I always liked the way he went about his cricket.  He wasn’t the best cricketer but he always had a crack.

x2...
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Post by: flyboy77 on March 27, 2019, 11:09:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E44S3FWxsT4

This bloke is bowling now in the 3rd ODI.

Hard to get a great read on his action given the angles and limited footage but gee, it looks dodgy to me....noting I'm old school.

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Post by: Professer E on March 28, 2019, 08:09:53 am
Careful,  they'll accuse you of being a racist.

Yep,  I'm totally old school on this as well and I don't like it.   I suspect he's within the permissible 15 degrees, but with my bowling coach hat on,  he's straightening his arm,  which is throwing.  I bet it gets more apparent as he strives for pace or tries variation balls where his wrist becomes more mobile (running down the seam etc).
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Post by: LP on March 28, 2019, 08:35:15 am
Firstly, last night shows the conundrum players like Maxwell and Finch present. Erratic at best they provide an X-Factor that can deliver wins against the tide in difficult conditions. If only they could do so consistently, but then I suppose it wouldn't be an X-Factor.

Careful,  they'll accuse you of being a racist.

Yep,  I'm totally old school on this as well and I don't like it.   I suspect he's within the permissible 15 degrees, but with my bowling coach hat on,  he's straightening his arm,  which is throwing.  I bet it gets more apparent as he strives for pace or tries variation balls where his wrist becomes more mobile (running down the seam etc).

100% agree, it's all Dav Whatmore's fault, he played the racism card when Muralitharan was been called and now the cat is out of the bag and the offending bowlers doing this can turn it on and off at will. Nobody thinks Murali is the same quality "bowler" as a player like Warne, not even the equal of greats of the past like Bedi or Qadir
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Post by: malo on March 28, 2019, 08:45:38 am
RIP Bruce ????

I always liked the way he went about his cricket.  He wasn’t the best cricketer but he always had a crack.

One of the most energetic, likable cricketers of my childhood.  Loved watching him.  He was good enough to bamboozle the Windies regularly, and was the bowler Sunil Gavasakar picked as the hardest to face.

Very sad to hear this news....all my heros, getting to this age....quite sobering.
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Post by: Professer E on March 28, 2019, 09:08:08 am
Great entertainer,  served it back to the windies when they were unstoppable.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on April 12, 2019, 10:18:51 pm
Anyone who thinks the IPL isn't about BCCI controlling world cricket best review next summers schedule! ;)

Geez the ACB is pissweak! BCCI want to re-organise their schedule under some bogus scheme mostly so they do not lose out 1st class games to the IPL schedule, and every other country in the world has to accommodate them!
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 12, 2019, 10:47:27 pm
Wisden announced their cricketers of the year...well those who have affected the English cricket the most.....Kholi and three English test players, two of which are unknowns who will probably play in the Ashes and Tammy Beaumont who opens for the English womens team

Jos Butler will probably play at no 5 as a batsman but the other two are more unknowns...

Rory Burns is an opener and older county Pro but he didnt impress me much when I watched him vs the Windies....bit of a poor mans Warner.

Sam Curran is probably the pick of the bunch and one who will give us the most problems IMO.....left hand quick who swings it a long way
and I could see him really troubling our batsman in English conditions. Troubled the Indian top order who are better equipped technically than our blokes
and will be a handy bowler for the Poms IMO. Also can handle the willow and will give them some depth..

England potentially may play 4 keepers in their top order with Butler, Bairstow, Burns(part time keeper) and maybe the big hitting Foakes at 7...wouldnt be too many test teams have taken the field with 4 keepers..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on April 30, 2019, 10:41:40 am
Wowser, some are so desperate for validation.

(https://www.cricket.com.au/-/media/Players/Men/International/Australia/james-faulkner-test201617.ashx)

Poor James went from alleged Dykon to alleged Homophobe in less than three social media posts! ;D

Pathetic really, both from the professional media and the social apparatchiks, is the situation that desperate?
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Post by: flyboy77 on April 30, 2019, 11:19:59 am
And the Pakistanis are doing their bit for sportsmanship!

https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/pakistan-quick-hasan-ali-claims-dubious-catch-against-kent/news-story/49deaceb486fcbe64268bcdfe41ca4f7
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Post by: Professer E on April 30, 2019, 12:56:12 pm
Bad Australian put him up to it. Everybody knows that the only  cheats are from Australia.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on October 20, 2019, 08:16:25 pm
Shaun Marsh - 214 against the Vics at the WACA.

Test recall #54 in the making?
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 20, 2019, 08:29:58 pm
Shaun Marsh - 214 against the Vics at the WACA.

Test recall #54 in the making?

Hope not..Shaun "Nellie Melba" Marsh, has had as many comebacks to the team as the great Nellie did in her career, talk is Harris and Warner to open in the 1st test.....
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Post by: Professer E on October 20, 2019, 08:39:07 pm
Gees those photos must be incriminating.

Marsh ..... Just say no.  The last test in England underlined why.

Harris and Warner shouldn't be selected unless they average 75 across the first four shield games.   Selection on merit not reputation.
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Post by: Mantis on October 20, 2019, 09:01:08 pm
Gees those photos must be incriminating.

Marsh ..... Just say no.  The last test in England underlined why.

Harris and Warner shouldn't be selected unless they average 75 across the first four shield games.   Selection on merit not reputation.

Selection should be on form and not reputation for all. Sure you can have a dry spell for 4 or 5 innings. However a squad can only carry you for so long. (Here is where someone comes in to remind me about Mark Taylor and his dry period as a captain and all of a sudden scored 300 plus in an innings with the bat).
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Post by: flyboy77 on October 21, 2019, 07:12:31 am
Gees those photos must be incriminating.

Marsh ..... Just say no.  The last test in England underlined why.

Harris and Warner shouldn't be selected unless they average 75 across the first four shield games.   Selection on merit not reputation.

Are we confusing the brothers?
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Post by: flyboy77 on October 21, 2019, 08:18:14 am
Hope not..Shaun "Nellie Melba" Marsh, has had as many comebacks to the team as the great Nellie did in her career, talk is Harris and Warner to open in the 1st test.....

It would be his ninth recall. That must be a record! (even 8)
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Post by: LP on October 21, 2019, 08:21:12 am
Bad Australian put him up to it. Everybody knows that the only  cheats are from Australia.

If you can't get the News Ltd link to work, try Twitter, it's laughable really that umpires can think this was caught and thrown to the ground.

https://twitter.com/saj_pakpassion/status/1122545348197666816?lang=en
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Post by: flyboy77 on October 21, 2019, 10:27:18 am
If you can't get the News Ltd link to work, try Twitter, it's laughable really that umpires can think this was caught and thrown to the ground.

https://twitter.com/saj_pakpassion/status/1122545348197666816?lang=en

This was during or just before the World Cup?
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Post by: LP on November 14, 2019, 01:13:23 pm
There's the problem, Bancroft ahead of Carey! :o

Neither player offers sterling form before the season's opening test, but what has Carey done wrong when given earlier limited opportunities?
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 17, 2019, 10:22:29 am
There's the problem, Bancroft ahead of Carey! :o

Neither player offers sterling form before the season's opening test, but what has Carey done wrong when given earlier limited opportunities?

Bancroft was only picked to be the super sub.

Any comparison between B and C is moot.
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Post by: Baggers on November 17, 2019, 10:53:11 am
On the subject of cricket... how terrific is it to be alive to witness one of the greatest ever batsmen in full flight? (Steve Smith, in case you're wondering!).
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Post by: LP on November 17, 2019, 11:02:48 am
Bancroft was only picked to be the super sub.

Any comparison between B and C is moot.

So we want a backup batmen, fieldsmen, keeper, so we picked Bancroft ahead of Carey!

No wonder the thread has that title! ;D
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 17, 2019, 12:30:34 pm
Cupboard must be bare if Bancroft keeps getting picked, technique isnt test standard and everyone at international level knows it and will bowl to him accordingly.
His only hope is if the Pakis are back with the Bookies and serving up free runs...

Of more concern is the growing amount of young men suffering mental illness as a result of playing professional sport in this case cricket first Glen Maxwell, Nick Maddinson and now Will Pucovski who hasnt even played at International level are all taking time out and there has to be others..seems the pressure to succeed has ripped the enjoyment out of the game and those in control need to spend more time on providing a better environment to help these young players.
I noticed Chris Lynn and others have long complained about the poor communication between players and selectors and the lack of follow up when players are dropped
or dropped from contracts etc. Cricket Australia needs to lift their game as an employer as do the other cricket controlling bodies and understand their obligations to players as employees.
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Post by: LP on November 17, 2019, 12:43:27 pm
Cricket Australia needs to lift their game as an employer as do the other cricket controlling bodies and understand their obligations to players as employees.

Do you think the scatter-gun selection process might contribute to some of this?

Imagine how this looks from the inside, blokes making double centuries and averaging in three figures in shield cricket cannot get a run, while others who fail at test level averaging 12 have their contract extended!

It's hard enough for us to watch it from a distance, imagine putting in all that work and seeing your dreams dashed by some cartoon capers!
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Post by: laj on November 17, 2019, 01:44:57 pm
Cupboard must be bare if Bancroft keeps getting picked, technique isnt test standard and everyone at international level knows it and will bowl to him accordingly.
His only hope is if the Pakis are back with the Bookies and serving up free runs...

Of more concern is the growing amount of young men suffering mental illness as a result of playing professional sport in this case cricket first Glen Maxwell, Nick Maddinson and now Will Pucovski who hasnt even played at International level are all taking time out and there has to be others..seems the pressure to succeed has ripped the enjoyment out of the game and those in control need to spend more time on providing a better environment to help these young players.
I noticed Chris Lynn and others have long complained about the poor communication between players and selectors and the lack of follow up when players are dropped
or dropped from contracts etc. Cricket Australia needs to lift their game as an employer as do the other cricket controlling bodies and understand their obligations to players as employees.

There's not alot in the cupboard right now. In my Test team I had Maddinson in to open and Pucovski ay no.6. Now both are off on obviously a much needed mental break.

Wonder if they'll bat Bancroft at no.6 as they did in the tour game. Was the only one that looked like that could bat in that innings. He looked alot more comfortable batting there than opening.
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 17, 2019, 02:21:30 pm
"Having lost his place after two Tests of the Ashes series, Bancroft has returned on the back of just 57 runs in six Sheffield Shield innings "

Well. I hadn't realised that!  :-[
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 17, 2019, 02:52:49 pm
Do you think the scatter-gun selection process might contribute to some of this?

Imagine how this looks from the inside, blokes making double centuries and averaging in three figures in shield cricket cannot get a run, while others who fail at test level averaging 12 have their contract extended!

It's hard enough for us to watch it from a distance, imagine putting in all that work and seeing your dreams dashed by some cartoon capers!

LP, I reckon the haphazard selection  stuff doesnt help and those without contracts would get very frustrated and distressed seeing the same old same old get picked regardless of form.
Its used to be you knocked down the door with runs and wickets or you were that prodigious young talent like Ponting, Warne etc and were promoted early
but some of these selections now  are based on no criteria or logic at all, ad the underlying innuendo is more about who you know or what state you play for.
There are so many formats now, so many players across those formats, you almost have to pick and choose which one you want to play and specialise in and I can understand some
young players would be doing their head in trying to figure out where they belong in the system.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 17, 2019, 02:59:26 pm
There's not alot in the cupboard right now. In my Test team I had Maddinson in to open and Pucovski ay no.6. Now both are off on obviously a much needed mental break.

Wonder if they'll bat Bancroft at no.6 as they did in the tour game. Was the only one that looked like that could bat in that innings. He looked alot more comfortable batting there than opening.

Maybe the tour game got him the nod but I wouldnt expect him to hold up under test pressure where ever he bats, as Fly pointed out his shield season average is woeful.
If you were picking on form you would pick Harris but maybe the two lefties opening idea has been shelved after Broad's work in England.
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Post by: capcom on November 17, 2019, 03:15:49 pm
It's a test series that I'm afraid holds little interest for me.  Wouldn't even bother watching if it wasn't for Steve Smith.
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Post by: laj on November 17, 2019, 03:29:52 pm
Maybe the tour game got him the nod but I wouldnt expect him to hold up under test pressure where ever he bats, as Fly pointed out his shield season average is woeful.
If you were picking on form you would pick Harris but maybe the two lefties opening idea has been shelved after Broad's work in England.

Tour game he come in at the last minute, when Maddinson dropped out, and batted at no.6 rather than open. He looked very at home again a very good attack on fire. Australia A were 9/57 (might alone answer why the cupboard is bare) with only Bancroft holding up. He and  Riley Meredith managed to take the score to 122. He looked so much more comfortable at no.6.
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Post by: malo on November 21, 2019, 08:34:41 am
By the way……getting very sick of seeing ads from Channel 7 proclaiming itself as “the home of cricket”….with that doyen of Cricket commentators Bwuce Mceveny……..

Just because you throw a whole heap of Fox backed money around & buy the rights to something that has been on another channel for 30 years doesn’t make you “the home of cricket”

Especially, when you refuse to show most of the matches involving the national side !!!!!    & their coverage last year was sh1t….just like their AFL coverage.
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Post by: capcom on November 21, 2019, 09:05:42 am
By the way……getting very sick of seeing ads from Channel 7 proclaiming itself as “the home of cricket”….with that doyen of Cricket commentators Bwuce Mceveny……..

Just because you throw a whole heap of Fox backed money around & buy the rights to something that has been on another channel for 30 years doesn’t make you “the home of cricket”

Especially, when you refuse to show most of the matches involving the national side !!!!!    & their coverage last year was sh1t….just like their AFL coverage.

It's classless malo.  But so is the administration of the game.  It's just throwaway junk
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Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2019, 09:11:00 am
Well, that just stuffed my plans for today.  Won't be watching anything with Bwuce in it.... ABC grandstand in this house or I'll get tickets.

F him,  he stinks up footy with his sh1t excitement based commentary,  piss off and leave cricket to the people who watch it because they love the game.
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Post by: malo on November 21, 2019, 01:33:22 pm
Well, that just stuffed my plans for today.  Won't be watching anything with Bwuce in it.... ABC grandstand in this house or I'll get tickets.

F him,  he stinks up footy with his sh1t excitement based commentary,  piss off and leave cricket to the people who watch it because they love the game.

Don't think he's actually on the commentary team mate....just front & center in the promos....for whatever reason !

BTW, Pakis putting together an opening stand we'd have died for in England.....
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2019, 01:50:04 pm
Pakis playing old fashioned make the bowlers come to you test cricket, leaving a lot of deliveries and hitting the bad ones, its a good track in Brisbane
but we just lack a fifth bowler IMO.
Ch 7 have more commentators than players out on the park....Ponting is excellent but its slim pickings after that, Slater and Fleming dont do it for me, Katich is reasonable..
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Post by: malo on November 21, 2019, 03:18:27 pm
current Test batting programming has been resumed
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 21, 2019, 03:22:34 pm
Pakis now 5-99.
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Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2019, 08:29:02 pm
Malo, thankfully Bruce wasn't part of the team,  but Brayshaw unfortunately was.   I don't understand why that peanut gets a gig,  has zero feel for the game,  not knowledgeable enough to meaningfully analyse things,   just carries on like he's in a beer garden with his hipster mates.
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 21, 2019, 09:24:35 pm
Malo, thankfully Bruce wasn't part of the team,  but Brayshaw unfortunately was.   I don't understand why that peanut gets a gig,  has zero feel for the game,  not knowledgeable enough to meaningfully analyse things,   just carries on like he's in a beer garden with his hipster mates.

JB played Shield for SA and WA.

Averaged 42 in first class cricket over 75 matches and just under 5000 runs. Must have some idea.
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Post by: DJC on November 21, 2019, 09:28:43 pm
JB played Shield for SA and WA.

Averaged 42 in first class cricket over 75 matches and just under 5000 runs. Must have some idea.

He probably does but, if so, he can't put it into words.  Perhaps if he concentrated on the cricket and not puerile attempts at humour  :-\
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 21, 2019, 09:32:12 pm
He probably does but, if so, he can't put it into words.  Perhaps if he concentrated on the cricket and not puerile attempts at humour  :-\

No question he tries way to hard to be funny or whatever.

Truth be told, he's no dummy.
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Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2019, 11:05:23 pm
He should have some idea,  but I don't get the impression he does from his on screen persona.
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Post by: malo on November 22, 2019, 08:06:57 am
I miss the 9 commentators.....well some of them.  Draft in Mark Nicholas, Tubby Taylor & Mel Jones to go with Ponting, Alison Mitchell & Isa Guah & that's a decent team for mine.  Tim Lane is actually a better radio (ball by ball) commentator I think.

Slater & Fleming seem to be trying way to hard.

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Post by: Professer E on November 22, 2019, 08:12:29 am
Flem is such a try hard it's painful.
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Post by: LP on November 22, 2019, 09:36:21 am
Slater & Fleming seem to be trying way to hard.

CheatsTV is all about the bottom line and regional politics, they'll choose the cheapest of the cheap subordinates and domestics ahead of expensive foreign quality.

You'll find the yes men pulling the strings, for example in the football season having CheatsTV broadcast BT lauding derision over Lethal!
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Post by: laj on November 30, 2019, 05:48:06 pm
Warner 300!
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Post by: capcom on November 30, 2019, 06:44:23 pm
Warner 300!

Not sure that he warrants 2nd position in front of Bradman and Taylor in the record books, but neither was I thrilled with Hayden surpassing it, especially against Zimbabwe.  335 though, is still a fine innings.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 30, 2019, 07:22:17 pm
Warner 300!

Jim..When you made that 200 in the backyard vs the local neighborhood attack it probably had more venom
than the Paki teenagers and oldies they have trotted out. Abbas looks like he is ready to play seniors cricket, Yasir is
a batting gift from the cricket gods and Iftikar couldnt turn a ball if it was attached to a jet engine.

Bradman would have made 600 vs this mob using one stump as a bat....I'm biased and want Aus winning but after a great ashes
series this is just rubbish, the quicker NZ get here and these Paki pretenders are on their way the better.
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Post by: laj on November 30, 2019, 09:24:11 pm
Jim..When you made that 200 in the backyard vs the local neighborhood attack it probably had more venom
than the Paki teenagers and oldies they have trotted out. Abbas looks like he is ready to play seniors cricket, Yasir is
a batting gift from the cricket gods and Iftikar couldnt turn a ball if it was attached to a jet engine.

Bradman would have made 600 vs this mob using one stump as a bat....I'm biased and want Aus winning but after a great ashes
series this is just rubbish, the quicker NZ get here and these Paki pretenders are on their way the better.

I think any time you make 335no in a Test Match it's a really great innings. Credit where it's due.

All we heard in the lead up games was how good the Pakistani attack was. Abbas slaughtered us in the UAE and Yasir has 207 wickets from just 36 Tests, so is a star. Paks certainly haven't fired a shot in the Tests though and looked crap. As good as Abbas is, average under 20, bowling in the 120s is something that won't work on our pitches. Shaheen can certainly bowl.
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Post by: capcom on November 30, 2019, 09:49:16 pm
6 for 89?

Could be headed for the second biggest Test loss of all time.

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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 30, 2019, 10:18:53 pm
I think any time you make 335no in a Test Match it's a really great innings. Credit where it's due.

All we heard in the lead up games was how good the Pakistani attack was. Abbas slaughtered us in the UAE and Yasir has 207 wickets from just 36 Tests, so is a star. Paks certainly haven't fired a shot in the Tests though and looked crap. As good as Abbas is, average under 20, bowling in the 120s is something that won't work on our pitches. Shaheen can certainly bowl.

Good innings but the opposition are about the worst going around and for me its devalued, the Pakis are more interested in shaking hands and patting Warner on the back than getting him out....its just not
competitive test cricket and we shouldnt be playing them in the Aus summer.
6/89.....they have to be kidding rocking up and producing the crap they have, their bowling is bad enough but their batting is horrendous...Babar aside its just rubbish.
Maybe we got spoilt with the ashes but its getting to the stage where test cricket might have to be played in divisions where the better teams play each other and the minnows have to qualify
to get into the higher division.



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Post by: sandsmere on December 01, 2019, 06:59:20 am
I think any time you make 335no in a Test Match it's a really great innings. Credit where it's due.

All we heard in the lead up games was how good the Pakistani attack was. Abbas slaughtered us in the UAE and Yasir has 207 wickets from just 36 Tests, so is a star. Paks certainly haven't fired a shot in the Tests though and looked crap. As good as Abbas is, average under 20, bowling in the 120s is something that won't work on our pitches. Shaheen can certainly bowl.

True. . . . . Well done David Warner.
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Post by: dodge on December 01, 2019, 07:13:27 pm
Our opposition made 4/408 from 72 overs. One batsman made 211, with only 2 of our blokes clapping the 200.  When we finally got him out,  I made them Clark him off the ground - you might not like the innings that you've seen,  but you have to respect it.   Wr had plenty of opportunities to get him out  but hadn't taken them.

I hate the idea of Warner holding the record  but you have to respect what he did.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 01, 2019, 08:37:19 pm
Pakis 3-20 in second dig.
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Post by: laj on December 02, 2019, 08:46:17 am
Our opposition made 4/408 from 72 overs. One batsman made 211, with only 2 of our blokes clapping the 200.  When we finally got him out,  I made them Clark him off the ground - you might not like the innings that you've seen,  but you have to respect it.   Wr had plenty of opportunities to get him out  but hadn't taken them.

I hate the idea of Warner holding the record  but you have to respect what he did.

He doesn't hold the record. Hayden holds the Australian record at 380.
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Post by: capcom on December 02, 2019, 09:09:52 am
The merit in Taylor's and Bradman's 334s was the quality of the opposition and where they scored them.  Head and shoulders above Warner and Hayden
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Post by: dodge on December 02, 2019, 09:26:26 am
Laj - yes, sorry, totally aware of that - bad phrasing on my behalf.  Still a great effort.
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Post by: malo on December 02, 2019, 11:23:17 am
Good innings but the opposition are about the worst going around and for me its devalued, the Pakis are more interested in shaking hands and patting Warner on the back than getting him out....its just not
competitive test cricket and we shouldnt be playing them in the Aus summer.
6/89.....they have to be kidding rocking up and producing the crap they have, their bowling is bad enough but their batting is horrendous...Babar aside its just rubbish.
Maybe we got spoilt with the ashes but its getting to the stage where test cricket might have to be played in divisions where the better teams play each other and the minnows have to qualify
to get into the higher division.

Need to be careful with that.....couple of years ago we might have slid down into the 2nd division !

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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 02, 2019, 06:50:27 pm
Need to be careful with that.....couple of years ago we might have slid down into the 2nd division !

Fair point, I just get annoyed at watching non competitive cricket and like my test cricket played with some edge to it.
Hopefully NZ will give us some competition and we can sort out the team for the real stuff vs the heavyweight teams.
Interesting that some are calling for WA wonder boy Cam Green to be included in the test squad vs NZ.



























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Post by: malo on December 03, 2019, 08:39:41 am
Fair point, I just get annoyed at watching non competitive cricket and like my test cricket played with some edge to it.
Hopefully NZ will give us some competition and we can sort out the team for the real stuff vs the heavyweight teams.
Interesting that some are calling for WA wonder boy Cam Green to be included in the test squad vs NZ.

I think the NZers will certainly give us some competition.....Kane Williamson & the like on boring flat drop in pitches...we may struggle to bowl them out.

We may be relying on an artificial result from the first pink ball test if we manage to score favourable evening bowling conditions....although their swing bowlers will be hoping for the same !
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 03, 2019, 12:39:31 pm
Fair point, I just get annoyed at watching non competitive cricket and like my test cricket played with some edge to it.
Hopefully NZ will give us some competition and we can sort out the team for the real stuff vs the heavyweight teams.
Interesting that some are calling for WA wonder boy Cam Green to be included in the test squad vs NZ.

NZ are a good team. They'll push us and some...
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Post by: Jack Burton on December 03, 2019, 05:45:55 pm
I think we'll smash the kiwis, Boult is a big out for them
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 03, 2019, 09:50:07 pm
I think we'll smash the kiwis, Boult is a big out for them

Doing well with their South African imports...Watling and Wagner are both very good players but they have a couple of plodders
in the team who might get exposed. They are probably the best fielding team in the world which may help but I'd expect we will deliver flat
pitches with no sideways movement more suited to the bang it in accurate style of Cummins and Hazlewood. With little or no swing either I'd expect Smith and Warner to
take over and make some big scores. Ferguson is quicker than our bowlers but not at the same standard as Shane Bond who he has been compared with and i reckon
he will be schooled in Aus and prove disappointing.
Aus to win 2-0...
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Post by: malo on December 04, 2019, 08:23:56 am
I don't know.  Obviously Smith will be out to get some runs this summer :-)

I am not so sure of the bowlers....I think Cummins looked like he needed a rest in that last test...I would be giving Patto a run in at least 1 or two of these.  And I see today the selectors are talking about two spinners for Sydney !  Geez, its not as if thee's any others worth picking.  Marnus and Smith can take up the slack surely.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 04, 2019, 09:25:15 am
I think we'll smash the kiwis, Boult is a big out for them

Is he definitely out?
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 04, 2019, 09:26:21 am
https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/cricket-2019-neil-wagner-trent-boult-australia-vs-new-zealand-first-test-perth/news-story/6e54752f5980e71fc398a1ecaac6613b
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 05, 2019, 07:38:35 pm
Sad to see the passing of Bob Willis, great English fast bowler, ex skipper and commentator, only 70 years old. A real competitor on the field
and I enjoyed his work in the commentary box too.
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Post by: capcom on December 06, 2019, 08:27:34 am
Sad to see the passing of Bob Willis, great English fast bowler, ex skipper and commentator, only 70 years old. A real competitor on the field
and I enjoyed his work in the commentary box too.

The only guy I ever saw come to the crease with multiple holes drilled thru his (Duncan Furnley) bat.  Great bowler though.

Good reminder.  Get your prostate done.  It is NOT a big deal and lasts about 5 seconds
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 06, 2019, 08:42:13 am
The only guy I ever saw come to the crease with multiple holes drilled thru his (Duncan Furnley) bat.  Great bowler though.

Good reminder.  Get your prostate done.  It is NOT a big deal and lasts about 5 seconds
Agree on the latter, and I remember that bat with the holes..
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Post by: PaulP on December 06, 2019, 04:14:36 pm
Agree on the latter, and I remember that bat with the holes..

Sorry, this has nothing to do with cricket, but I noticed you were very quick to change your avatar. Some Enchanted Evening -
 very nice.

Fun trivia fact. The Verlaines released an album called Some Disenchanted Evening in 1989, on one of the best records labels ever, Flying Nun.
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Post by: laj on December 06, 2019, 06:30:12 pm
Sorry, this has nothing to do with cricket, but I noticed you were very quick to change your avatar. Some Enchanted Evening -
 very nice.

Fun trivia fact. The Verlaines released an album called Some Disenchanted Evening in 1989, on one of the best records labels ever, Flying Nun.

Imagine it's temporary until we employ a new list manager..lol.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 06, 2019, 06:59:37 pm
Imagine it's temporary until we employ a new list manager..lol.

Yep you know me well Jim, with SOS gone I'm inbetween list managers and usually go an album cover.
Had a couple of Jethro Tull album covers previously..no commentating on my musical taste either. :-X 8)
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 06, 2019, 07:09:54 pm
Sorry, this has nothing to do with cricket, but I noticed you were very quick to change your avatar. Some Enchanted Evening -
 very nice.

Fun trivia fact. The Verlaines released an album called Some Disenchanted Evening in 1989, on one of the best records labels ever, Flying Nun.

Paul..As Jim pointed out I'm inbetween list managers and waiting for a new one to be appointed so I can prepare another avatar.
I'm a Blue Oyster Cult fan from way back and "Some Enchanted Evening" is some of their finest live stuff, BOC are of course most famous
for the classic " Dont Fear the Reaper" which usually gets a run on most horror TV/Film series as a backing track and the cover has the colorful picture
of a Reaper with the BOC Monogram which is a cross entwined with a question mark which I thought depicted the goings on and off the field
at Carlton quite well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on December 06, 2019, 07:26:33 pm
Fair enough EB. I'd have thought you could use Liddle's photo as an interim measure. He seems keen on the job.
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Post by: DJC on December 06, 2019, 09:12:32 pm
Fair enough EB. I'd have thought you could use Liddle's photo as an interim measure. He seems keen on the job.

Nailed it Paul  :D
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Post by: laj on December 07, 2019, 11:06:36 am
Yep you know me well Jim, with SOS gone I'm inbetween list managers and usually go an album cover.
Had a couple of Jethro Tull album covers previously..no commentating on my musical taste either. :-X 8)

Ok then, i won't comment on you're crappy musical taste. I promise!
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Post by: DJC on December 08, 2019, 08:13:07 am
What are the chances of the Boxing Day Test being called off or relocated?

I reckon the curator will be under immense pressure to ensure that the pitch is safe and we will probably end up with a dead pitch.
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Post by: Jack Burton on December 08, 2019, 09:27:53 am
Yep, it will be a road
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Post by: dodge on December 08, 2019, 11:11:23 am
Stuffed up big time.  Even though it is going to be a different pitch for the test, they can't afford for it to be a road, as the pitch hasn't rated well for the last two tests - needs to be something in it.

There would be some other states that can't wait to take over the boxing day test from us if we can't get the pitch right.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on December 08, 2019, 11:25:21 am
Suspect there will be some serious investigations into that debacle.  It looked ugly.
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Post by: Professer E on December 09, 2019, 08:10:14 am
I'm not saying the MCG pitch  is acceptable,  but India has been serving up doctored,  rubbish pitches for years and all the cricketing world gets is ..... crickets.
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Post by: dodge on December 09, 2019, 01:21:57 pm
Doctored, but by no means dangerous.  They prepare pitches to suit their players and not the opposition.  We tend to prepare pitches that don't favour us, except for the Gabba and WACA in years gone by.  Not sure if Pakistani pitches were suited to opposition, either.

India has the money...

Crazy thing about the MCG pitch is that the Vics might actually get some points.  Should be fined and warned.  Some of the balls that spat were quite nasty.
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Post by: LP on December 09, 2019, 01:29:08 pm
Crazy thing about the MCG pitch is that the Vics might actually get some points.  Should be fined and warned.  Some of the balls that spat were quite nasty.

I agree they were nasty.

But this risk avoidance is a modern trend, a sort of a shell-shock reaction to the Phil Hughes events.

The older forum members will remember the hellish days of dodgy West Indian or even flaky Adelaide oval pitches that behaved like this. I didn't see Sir Garfield, Sir Vivian, Sir Ian or Sir Richie pull up stumps and head home when the pitch got a bit dodgy even in that pre-helmet era!

We'd laugh loudly as the Indian top order was demolished by Thompson and Lillee at the height of their fast bowling powers. Even louder at Tony Grieg, pre and post helmet!

Now they have all manner of advanced head, chest, arm, hip and all other default means of protection, and they've pulled the pin! Is it a genuine concern or a lack of modern skills and endurance?

But here today there is a tell, one that seems worth questioning. If you can find it watch the broadcast TV interviews about the MCG pitch, there is one interview containing a significant Freudian slip concerning objective and subjective participles!

Are they too safe, in terms of income stream security, and I too cynical?
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Post by: malo on December 09, 2019, 02:47:10 pm
I agree they were nasty.

But this risk avoidance is a modern trend, a sort of a shell-shock reaction to the Phil Hughes events.

The older forum members will remember the hellish days of dodgy West Indian or even flaky Adelaide oval pitches that behaved like this. I didn't see Sir Garfield, Sir Vivian, Sir Ian or Sir Richie pull up stumps and head home when the pitch got a bit dodgy even in that pre-helmet era!

We'd laugh loudly as the Indian top order was demolished by Thompson and Lillee at the height of their fast bowling powers. Even louder at Tony Grieg, pre and post helmet!



We also winced when our top order was battered & then demolished by Holding, Garner, Croft & Roberts etc, etc.....& marvelled at innings the likes of Kim Hughes Boxing Day test 1981 counter attacking against the odds !

yeah....I am slightly of the opinion that batsmen are rather too pampered these days....the MCG pitch was routinely poor through much of the 80s.



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Post by: LP on December 13, 2019, 08:18:02 am
This Perth Day / Night Test seems dead in the water already.

I don't know what it is about the timing and/or broadcast of this match, in my opinion a Perth Day/Night just doesn't work.

Firstly, it's not really Day/Night, they start so early over there that with the sun setting over the water it is like the last 5 mins of play after sunset and that is it done for the day! They have obviously done this so that stumps can be at a reasonable hour in Sydney.

But stumps isn't at a reasonable hour in the East, and pity the New Zealanders, most play is interrupted by news broadcasts and/or eventually bed! At Dinner for many there was no going back! Even the freebies they offered to Perth locals for the last session didn't help. Their out enjoying cafes, clubs and bars as the sun sets, and why wouldn't you?

It seems just wrong, a novelty more than an event, like the Singapore and other night GPs! Great spectacle, extraordinary decoration, but lacking that same substance and hard edge of a traditional contest.

The broadcast team are trying, very trying some may argue, but they can't beat any life out of this game, I think I'll teach myself to crochet!
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Post by: capcom on December 13, 2019, 10:42:23 am
This Perth Day / Night Test seems dead in the water already.

I don't know what it is about the timing and/or broadcast of this match, in my opinion a Perth Day/Night just doesn't work.

They can't stop fiddling with the game.  But I'm a dyed in the wool traditionalist
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Post by: Professer E on December 13, 2019, 06:16:36 pm
Don't know why Head gets a game,  finds ways to get out.  Soft ways.   
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Post by: JonHenry on December 13, 2019, 06:23:36 pm
Don't know why Head gets a game,  finds ways to get out.  Soft ways.  

Wade is at 5.
Probably explains why Head gets a game.
We don’t have depth
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Post by: sandsmere on December 14, 2019, 07:38:04 am
Kiwis 5/109.

Stark 4 wickets.

Well done Australia.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 14, 2019, 08:40:44 am
Kiwis 5/109.

Stark 4 wickets.

Well done Australia.


Starc was intimidating and Smith took a blinder to get Williamson, Kiwis are plucky though and I expect Taylor and their keeper Watling to dig in.
Pity Hazlwood is injured and Matty Wade had to roll his arm over for a few interesting overs, we still miss that Ben Stokes type allrounder at No 6.
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Post by: laj on December 14, 2019, 01:22:57 pm

Starc was intimidating and Smith took a blinder to get Williamson, Kiwis are plucky though and I expect Taylor and their keeper Watling to dig in.
Pity Hazlwood is injured and Matty Wade had to roll his arm over for a few interesting overs, we still miss that Ben Stokes type allrounder at No 6.

The all rounder who does look really good, Cameron Greene, has stress fractured his back.
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Post by: laj on December 14, 2019, 01:26:43 pm
Don't know why Head gets a game,  finds ways to get out.  Soft ways.  

He shows a bit with an average of 44 but how many times does he get into a good position then gets himself out with a rubbish shot. It $hits me as it does many others. He's frustrating. Ponting was telling was what was going to happen before it actually happened. Sure enough.............
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Post by: Professer E on December 15, 2019, 05:04:08 pm
That shows that Head is either mentally weak or as dumb as duck sh1t because he isn't learning - that at test level he has to tighten up his technique.   Simply hadn't wised up.   Don't know if we can carry Wade and Head who look to be very similar in style, although Wade has actually made some runs.

Smith isn't batting well either - pressure of expectation seems to have got to him and he hasn't settled in any innings this summer.

If Hazelwood was fit this game would be over.
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Post by: capcom on December 15, 2019, 05:10:20 pm
Wade is effin' useless
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 15, 2019, 07:02:28 pm
That shows that Head is either mentally weak or as dumb as duck sh1t because he isn't learning - that at test level he has to tighten up his technique.   Simply hadn't wised up.   Don't know if we can carry Wade and Head who look to be very similar in style, although Wade has actually made some runs.

Smith isn't batting well either - pressure of expectation seems to have got to him and he hasn't settled in any innings this summer.

If Hazelwood was fit this game would be over.

Prof....agree on Head, why with the field set for the legside flick off the hip would you play at those deliveries?Wagner is making a living out of bowling half trackers@130k and getting away with it, looks like if you bowl at a lower pace you can bowl as much short stuff as you like?. If Starc bowled so much short stuff he would be warned I reckon..
Granted not all of them are shoulder high or above but a great percentage are especially bowling at very short players like Wade, Head etc.....

Smith has got carried away with himself and the hype, being inventive works some of the time but Williamson is employing one day tactics with his bowling and field placements.
NZ aim to bowl dot ball after dot ball and are the maiden kings, Smith has to learn they are waiting for him to get himself out rather than the kiwis bowling him out.
I probably rate Kholi higher in this regard as I could see him playing in a more smart conventional manner and pushing into the gaps rather than trying to blast  good balls to the boundary like Smith.

Wont be long now anyway with the Kiwis struggling at 2 down and still miles behind....
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Post by: capcom on December 15, 2019, 07:40:27 pm
Now 4 down.  They're stuffed
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Post by: malo on December 17, 2019, 11:20:06 am
Pattinson in for Hazelwood...no brainer.  Unfortunately this doesn't mean that is what will happen. 

I have a fear that our historical misguided obsession with all-rounders (or basically, blokes who can't bat or bowl properly !) could rear it's ugly head again.

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Post by: LP on December 17, 2019, 11:26:16 am
Pattinson in for Hazelwood...no brainer.  Unfortunately this doesn't mean that is what will happen. 

I have a fear that our historical misguided obsession with all-rounders (or basically, blokes who can't bat or bowl properly !) could rear it's ugly head again.

Yes, I fear the same.

However, there are rumors of Head making way for a 4th bowler, that could be the source of our fears, with Pattinson still replacing Hazelwood!

However, the dark-side might be Siddle in for Hazlewood, and if Marsh bowls this Weds ...... in for Head?
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 17, 2019, 11:39:20 am
Pattinson in for Hazelwood...no brainer.  Unfortunately this doesn't mean that is what will happen. 

I have a fear that our historical misguided obsession with all-rounders (or basically, blokes who can't bat or bowl properly !) could rear it's ugly head again.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=13213;type=tournament

Plenty should be ahead of Pattinson.

Time to blood a kid. Or give Neser a crack imo.

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Post by: LP on December 17, 2019, 12:59:42 pm
In my opinion an in-form Pattinson is perhaps second only to Hazelwood, and they are an arm and a leg ahead of the rest because they perform in all conditions not just when things suit them.

Given the ACB Selectors haven't shown a propensity to select "horses for coarses", Hazelwood, Pattinson and Lyon are our best across all conditions on average.

On feature of Pattinson in the squad is that he is just as intense in the nets as he is on the pitch. This makes a huge difference to the squad, both from a batting and bowling perspective. The bowlers can no longer trundle around as walk up starts, and the batsmen have to work hard just to survive training!

Some commentary talks of the bowling machines and extended time in the nets, but it's irrelevant and incomparable to facing a real life bowler who is trying to knock your head off after you've played a nice drive!
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 17, 2019, 03:02:57 pm
In my opinion an in-form Pattinson is perhaps second only to Hazelwood, and they are an arm and a leg ahead of the rest because they perform in all conditions not just when things suit them.

Given the ACB Selectors haven't shown a propensity to select "horses for coarses", Hazelwood, Pattinson and Lyon are our best across all conditions on average.

On feature of Pattinson in the squad is that he is just as intense in the nets as he is on the pitch. This makes a huge difference to the squad, both from a batting and bowling perspective. The bowlers can no longer trundle around as walk up starts, and the batsmen have to work hard just to survive training!

Some commentary talks of the bowling machines and extended time in the nets, but it's irrelevant and incomparable to facing a real life bowler who is trying to knock your head off after you've played a nice drive!

Recent stats suggest otherwise.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 17, 2019, 03:30:25 pm
I'd play Pattinson ahead of Neser...the latter is what NZ see every week at home, that medium pacer who moves it about but probably isnt going to have them hopping around like Pattinson can. Kiwis have shown they dont like it short and quick and I'd be giving them more of the short and quick around the ears especially on another road like wicket at the "G". Its not like we are going to serve up a greentop paradise for Boult and Southee to operate in, the edge we have is raw pace and tall quicks who can manufacture wickets by bowling short and giving the Kiwis what they never see at home.
Win the toss, bat first...make 450 plus and its game over again.....
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Post by: LP on December 17, 2019, 04:04:18 pm
Recent stats suggest otherwise.

Just proves the invalidity of purely relying on stats!

If the MCG is hot and dead Williamson will score 300 against Starc and Nesser.
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Post by: DJC on December 17, 2019, 05:32:04 pm
Siddle is in the squad  ::)
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 17, 2019, 05:56:29 pm
Siddle is in the squad  ::)

Bowler you would pick for a road who will bowl plenty of overs and keep running in, reckon the Kiwis wouldnt mind if he plays though given
he wont be terrorising them and is more of a defensive option.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 18, 2019, 12:07:49 pm
Just proves the invalidity of purely relying on stats!

If the MCG is hot and dead Williamson will score 300 against Starc and Nesser.

Too late presumably but this is who I would pick...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/774223.html

Jhye Richardson. He is the future.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 18, 2019, 12:12:30 pm
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/774223.html

good read on Jhye.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 18, 2019, 12:40:21 pm
While in general I'm not a fan of Langer, I concede the team he has put together is a succcess even though some may argue it's off the back of one or two supreme efforts. He gets some credit.

But I do agree with Langer on one thing;

The battle between Wade and Wagner is what Test Cricket is supposed to be about, batsmen and bowlers pushed to their personal limit.

Put this in context of the fully helmeted and heavily padded Marsh clad is safety equipment tested to ballistic levels walking off the MCG in fear of his safety!

To me the problem seems to lay in the media and social commentary, those calling for Wade's head and those claiming the recent events are some return to a distant form of bodyline, those town criers are the real problem!
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 18, 2019, 01:05:49 pm
While in general I'm not a fan of Langer, I concede the team he has put together is a succcess even though some may argue it's off the back of one or two supreme efforts. He gets some credit.

But I do agree with Langer on one thing;

The battle between Wade and Wagner is what Test Cricket is supposed to be about, batsmen and bowlers pushed to their personal limit.

Put this in context of the fully helmeted and heavily padded Marsh clad is safety equipment tested to ballistic levels walking off the MCG in fear of his safety!

To me the problem seems to lay in the media and social commentary, those calling for Wade's head and those claiming the recent events are some return to a distant form of bodyline, those town criers are the real problem!

Some might argue Wagner is substituting a bodyline approach due to lack of ability and it makes the game a neanderthal one where we will have teams looking for 200cm plus giant fast bowlers
to engage in bouncer warfare like in the hey day of the Windies. Watching Wagner bowling 130k short stuff and Wade taking it on the body was comical rather than entertaining IMO.
Smith looked vulnerable like Wade so we are going to see an endless barrage of non descript short stuff due to the road like nature of all the wickets in Australia?
At least in English conditions its a battle of skill rather than who has the taller quicker bowlers....
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Post by: LP on December 18, 2019, 01:41:11 pm
Some might argue Wagner is substituting a bodyline approach due to lack of ability and it makes the game a neanderthal one where we will have teams looking for 200cm plus giant fast bowlers
to engage in bouncer warfare like in the hey day of the Windies. Watching Wagner bowling 130k short stuff and Wade taking it on the body was comical rather than entertaining IMO.
Smith looked vulnerable like Wade so we are going to see an endless barrage of non descript short stuff due to the road like nature of all the wickets in Australia?
At least in English conditions its a battle of skill rather than who has the taller quicker bowlers....

I don't consider Curtley Ambrose, Joel Garner or Jeff Thompson less skilled than James Anderson, they just have different skills!

In contrast I could probably claim that recent events and rule changes limiting short pitched bowling, to make the game friendlier to participate in at lower levels, have left batsmen less skilled in dealing with it. What would Ian Chappell, Gordon Greenidge or Viv Richards have done to Wagner, Kim Hughes even and Kim was hardly a hard man of the game?

That doesn't make the Wade / Wagner tussle less interesting, it just makes it different from the norm and somewhat extending the range of Test Cricket beyond modern vanilla!
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Post by: laj on December 18, 2019, 03:05:22 pm
Yes, I fear the same.

However, there are rumors of Head making way for a 4th bowler, that could be the source of our fears, with Pattinson still replacing Hazelwood!

However, the dark-side might be Siddle in for Hazlewood, and if Marsh bowls this Weds ...... in for Head?

If Marsh was to play it may be in Sydney if we take in 2 spinners. Cameron Greene would've been ideal but he's stress fractured his back.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 18, 2019, 04:12:26 pm
I don't consider Curtley Ambrose, Joel Garner or Jeff Thompson less skilled than James Anderson, they just have different skills!

In contrast I could probably claim that recent events and rule changes limiting short pitched bowling, to make the game friendlier to participate in at lower levels, have left batsmen less skilled in dealing with it. What would Ian Chappell, Gordon Greenidge or Viv Richards have done to Wagner, Kim Hughes even and Kim was hardly a hard man of the game?

That doesn't make the Wade / Wagner tussle less interesting, it just makes it different from the norm and somewhat extending the range of Test Cricket beyond modern vanilla!

I'll disagree on Anderson and the those three former quicks...the latter were intimidators who banged it in short to hit batsman, Thommos variation was the sand shoe crusher.
Anderson has to be more skillful because he lacks the height and pace so needs to be doing more with the ball, sure bowling a good bouncer takes some skill but not really at the same level as
bowling a genuine outswinger when conditions dont suit IMHO.
Kim Hughes actually commented when he played that Australia should comb the beaches to find tall athletic specimens that could match the Windies tall rangy quicks...

Wade and Wagner are hardly Lillee and Viv, its a boring contest between two average cricketers, watching Wade body up to Wagner's harmless 130k rubbish doesnt exactly get the juices flowing.Wagner has achieved notoriety and a high world ranking for bowling a short carp line at inept batsman but skillful I dont call him, I call Boult and Southee skilled. I'll agree the batting skill in playing short pitched bowling is poor overall these days compared to the past and that viewing persistent short pitched bowling is different in a novelty way but its not quality cricket that I enjoy. Broad to Warner or Hazlewood to Root is what I would rather watch..
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Post by: LP on December 18, 2019, 04:29:24 pm
I don't get the big deal about "boring 130kph", ......... that's Glenn McGrath's speed range.

I was a bowling all-rounder, I could swing the ball either way, bowl leg and off cutters, knuckle balls and toe crushers, but for life of me with all my skills and practice I couldn't bowl 145kph(90mph). 130kph(80mph) no problems, that extra 10kph is nearly impossible for all but a very select few.

Bowling fast is a skill on it's own, but it doesn't make for good cricket.

Bowling at 130kph(80mph) is neither slow bowling nor bad cricket.

I gather this idea that 130kph is boring and slow comes from armchair critics who have never faced an 80 mph bowler.
(btw., For non-cricketing followers of this debate, or just cricket watchers, a 130kph bowler would be faster than nearly all club cricketers, many or most sub-district or even district 2nd, 3rd or 4th cricketers. There is nobody you've watched in the local nets or park that is likely to be bowling 130kph or faster.)

I think Wagner getting a bunch of 130kph balls on the money at any length is far superior to Tait bowling one extraordinary unplayable delivery out of every hundred!
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 18, 2019, 05:55:40 pm
I don't get the big deal about "boring 130kph", ......... that's Glenn McGrath's speed range.

I was a bowling all-rounder, I could swing the ball either way, bowl leg and off cutters, knuckle balls and toe crushers, but for life of me with all my skills and practice I couldn't bowl 145kph(90mph). 130kph(80mph) no problems, that extra 10kph is nearly impossible for all but a very select few.

Bowling fast is a skill on it's own, but it doesn't make for good cricket.

Bowling at 130kph(80mph) is neither slow bowling nor bad cricket.

I gather this idea that 130kph is boring and slow comes from armchair critics who have never faced an 80 mph bowler.
(btw., For non-cricketing followers of this debate, or just cricket watchers, a 130kph bowler would be faster than nearly all club cricketers, many or most sub-district or even district 2nd, 3rd or 4th cricketers. There is nobody you've watched in the local nets or park that is likely to be bowling 130kph or faster.)

I think Wagner getting a bunch of 130kph balls on the money at any length is far superior to Tait bowling one extraordinary unplayable delivery out of every hundred!
NZ selectors have decided to go with 2 metre uncapped Kyle Jamison as a replacement for Lachie Ferguson, 5 wickets so far in the NZ domestic season so he hasnt been picked on over whelming form and its fairly obvious why he has been picked....I rest my case.
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Post by: Professer E on December 18, 2019, 06:01:39 pm
LP is on the money.   I've been to sub district level net sessions with the radar guns set up etc and very very few district level blokes exceed 120.  And at that level,  for a bloke who batted at ten or eleven, that's bloody quick.  How guys make it look easy smashing the likes of Starc square when he's a bees whatsit off in line or length at 145 plus is amazing.   The test level blokes are so good it's not comparable to us mortals.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 18, 2019, 06:12:13 pm
LP is on the money.   I've been to sub district level net sessions with the radar guns set up etc and very very few district level blokes exceed 120.  And at that level,  for a bloke who batted at ten or eleven, that's bloody quick.  How guys make it look easy smashing the likes of Starc square when he's a bees whatsit off in line or length at 145 plus is amazing.   The test level blokes are so good it's not comparable to us mortals.

But thats the thing, mortals like us view 130k as quick but to Smith, Warner, Williamson and the other test batsman etc thats medium pace and a free hit unless its got something on it....
I watched Brett Lee bowl to one of the English media in a net session and he was just rolling his arm over but it was scary stuff how rapid the ball got to the batsman so I get it but you cant tell me
Travis Head was out to high quality pace bowling for example, he played a crape shot to a crape ball that a player like Gilchrist would have hit out of the stadium.
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Post by: capcom on December 18, 2019, 07:32:13 pm
I remember that EB.  Brett took it easy on him and he learnt a good lesson
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Post by: malo on December 19, 2019, 08:44:48 am
130-135 is plenty quick enough if you've got the control to go with it & are either hitting the seam, or getting late swing. As we've seen in the past, our batsmen have very little idea on how to play the moving ball...no matter what speed its delivered at !

As for rules on short pitched bowling leading to poor technique in recent years.....I'd go even further back to the development of protective equipment (helmet really).  Batsmen are quite prepared to wear a knock on the scone these days as they know (mostly) they're going to be protected.  This has led to a lot of players having very little idea of how to counter attack, or even evade the bouncer.   I'm certainly not suggesting that helmets are a bad thing, they had to happen, but we see less & less players who are great instinct players of the short ball (the likes of Ponting).



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Post by: Professer E on December 19, 2019, 12:41:22 pm
Bad technique and habits start early,  because kids,  even with all the gear,  are crapping themselves about getting hit and invariably you see kids back pedalling towards leg.... When all you have to do is step the other way and get your body inside the line. We have only one kid at the club with an idea about short pitched stuff and he isn't scared and his footwork is good.

Personally I don't think Head is up to it.  All his recent dismissals have been soft.   Chipped drive to cover... I'd give my kids in U13s a chat over that one.   Nicks behind or catches square happen,  but an upped drive? 
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Post by: JonHenry on December 24, 2019, 11:27:55 am
Bad technique and habits start early,  because kids,  even with all the gear,  are crapping themselves about getting hit and invariably you see kids back pedalling towards leg.... When all you have to do is step the other way and get your body inside the line. We have only one kid at the club with an idea about short pitched stuff and he isn't scared and his footwork is good.

Personally I don't think Head is up to it.  All his recent dismissals have been soft.   Chipped drive to cover... I'd give my kids in U13s a chat over that one.   Nicks behind or catches square happen,  but an upped drive?

How Wade and Head are in before Carey is baffling
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 27, 2019, 02:28:34 pm
Wade seems to have got himself into a pickle with the Kiwi quicks ... and it could be career ending.
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Post by: capcom on December 28, 2019, 05:37:36 pm
Should have enforced the follow on.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 28, 2019, 06:34:03 pm
Should have enforced the follow on.

Agree, I'd be going hard at NZ and finishing them off, they look down and disinterested. I often wonder if the lack of follow on's these days has more to do with money than winning games. If games finish early its probably not that good for the bottom line of the game with gate receipts down and advertisers not getting their 5 days worth. It also kills off interest in the series,
Pakistan and NZ have been terrible this season and one sided cricket doesnt help the game. Michael Vaughan was right when he said the test ratings are rubbish and NZ are not the No 2 team in the world. Clearly with Smith and Warner back we are the No 2 team just behind India...
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Post by: kruddler on December 28, 2019, 08:45:07 pm
Agree, I'd be going hard at NZ and finishing them off, they look down and disinterested. I often wonder if the lack of follow on's these days has more to do with money than winning games. If games finish early its probably not that good for the bottom line of the game with gate receipts down and advertisers not getting their 5 days worth. It also kills off interest in the series,
Pakistan and NZ have been terrible this season and one sided cricket doesnt help the game. Michael Vaughan was right when he said the test ratings are rubbish and NZ are not the No 2 team in the world. Clearly with Smith and Warner back we are the No 2 team just behind India...
Given the trouble the Aussies have had over the years with keeping their fast bowlers fit, i think NOT enforcing the follow on is simply a way of giving them a break from bowling for 2-3 days straight!
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Post by: JonHenry on December 28, 2019, 10:10:29 pm
H
Wade seems to have got himself into a pickle with the Kiwi quicks ... and it could be career ending.
His talent, or lack of, will be career ending
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Post by: sandsmere on December 29, 2019, 06:56:46 am
Bad technique and habits start early,  because kids,  even with all the gear,  are crapping themselves about getting hit and invariably you see kids back pedalling towards leg.... When all you have to do is step the other way and get your body inside the line. We have only one kid at the club with an idea about short pitched stuff and he isn't scared and his footwork is good.

Personally I don't think Head is up to it.  All his recent dismissals have been soft.   Chipped drive to cover... I'd give my kids in U13s a chat over that one.   Nicks behind or catches square happen,  but an upped drive? 

Head is up to it enough to get a ton Prof.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 30, 2019, 11:24:05 am
Wade seems to have got himself into a pickle with the Kiwi quicks ... and it could be career ending.

He's only had one bad Test this summer, in Perth, where he made 12 and 17. Had a 60, 38no, 38 and 30no. in the other Tests.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 31, 2019, 11:14:39 am
He's only had one bad Test this summer, in Perth, where he made 12 and 17. Had a 60, 38no, 38 and 30no. in the other Tests.

Yes, but the way he is playing, or not playing, the Kiwi quicks is nowhere near Test standard batting.  I'm surprised that Langer hasn't intervened - or perhaps he has ...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 31, 2019, 11:49:34 am
Yes, but the way he is playing, or not playing, the Kiwi quicks is nowhere near Test standard batting.  I'm surprised that Langer hasn't intervened - or perhaps he has ...

The issue is when Wagner is bowling short they set up with 6 blokes out on the leg side. Essentially it's the risky shot or don't play. Wade has decided not to play a shot at it, similar to Smith. Hence his figures aren't reading too badly. Normally a batsman wouldn't have trouble with a bloke bowling bouncers at 130k but the field settings, being not far off bodyline, makes the cross batted shot risky. 6 blokes out on the leg side with at times no slips, are they kidding? What it does do, especially in Smith's case using up 400 balls combined in both first innings for 43 and 85 (don't worry about the 2nd innings where they are hitting for quick runs), is wear the bowlers into the ground allowing other to make hay with tired bowlers. Hence scores of near 500. Thing is, while they are bowling short at Smith and Wade, they are not getting them out exhausting the bowlers. They are just letting their short balls go. Kiwi's think their tactics might be successful but they're not, other than slowing down scoring.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 31, 2019, 06:15:09 pm
The issue is when Wagner is bowling short they set up with 6 blokes out on the leg side. Essentially it's the risky shot or don't play. Wade has decided not to play a shot at it, similar to Smith. Hence his figures aren't reading too badly. Normally a batsman wouldn't have trouble with a bloke bowling bouncers at 130k but the field settings, being not far off bodyline, makes the cross batted shot risky. 6 blokes out on the leg side with at times no slips, are they kidding? What it does do, especially in Smith's case using up 400 balls combined in both first innings for 43 and 85 (don't worry about the 2nd innings where they are hitting for quick runs), is wear the bowlers into the ground allowing other to make hay with tired bowlers. Hence scores of near 500. Thing is, while they are bowling short at Smith and Wade, they are not getting them out exhausting the bowlers. They are just letting their short balls go. Kiwi's think their tactics might be successful but they're not, other than slowing down scoring.

He averages 30 odd
He’s not good enough
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 31, 2019, 07:18:57 pm
He averages 30 odd
He’s not good enough

To be fair, most of that was when he was keeping wickets. That has to be pushed aside.

This year he's made 2 centuries at important times and does average 48 this summer. Helped by two not outs of course but they were 38 and 30. We don't know what he would've gone on to make.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 31, 2019, 07:58:08 pm
To be fair, most of that was when he was keeping wickets. That has to be pushed aside.

This year he's made 2 centuries at important times and does average 48 this summer. Helped by two not outs of course but they were 38 and 30. We don't know what he would've gone on to make.
Wade gets my vote.

I'd rather watch Wade struggling than see Khawaja softly throwing his wicket away 3 out of 5 innings.

On the flip-side, how Carey isn't playing is a dead set mystery!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 03, 2020, 01:17:09 pm
Wagner is NZ's version of McGrath.

Wagner keeps things tight over after over, then when the Aussie batsmen get a loose delivery they panic when trying to get the most from it!

The technical term is "sucked in!"
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 03, 2020, 02:19:35 pm
Wagner is NZ's version of McGrath.

Wagner keeps things tight over after over, then when the Aussie batsmen get a loose delivery they panic when trying to get the most from it!

The technical term is "sucked in!"

Not sure bowling short with a packed legside field makes him McGraths league, the latter bowled batsman out while Wagner just waits for the batsman to mistime a pull or hook.
Viv, Ponting, Richie Richardson etc would have carved Wagner all over the park bowling that line at his pace....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 03, 2020, 02:19:44 pm
If you remove the D grade Pakistan attack, Warner has averaged around 25 over the last 2 calendar years.
Very poor v the better opposition
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 03, 2020, 04:16:28 pm
Not sure bowling short with a packed legside field makes him McGraths league, the latter bowled batsman out while Wagner just waits for the batsman to mistime a pull or hook.
Viv, Ponting, Richie Richardson etc would have carved Wagner all over the park bowling that line at his pace....
While I agree about the abilities of Richards, Ponting, Greenidge and the likes, I don't agree about Wagner and McGrath being significantly different.

Ignoring the bowling length differences, their speed and modus operandi are basically the same, they fast-medium bowl the batsmen into a coma then wake them up and send them off with a tickle while the batsmen are still half-asleep!

Warne and McGrath is tandem specialised in this tactic, and they both benefited greatly from the consistent and complimentary approach.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 03, 2020, 11:01:36 pm
While I agree about the abilities of Richards, Ponting, Greenidge and the likes, I don't agree about Wagner and McGrath being significantly different.

Ignoring the bowling length differences, their speed and modus operandi are basically the same, they fast-medium bowl the batsmen into a coma then wake them up and send them off with a tickle while the batsmen are still half-asleep!

Warne and McGrath is tandem specialised in this tactic, and they both benefited greatly from the consistent and complimentary approach.

Dont see McGrath fist tapping the batsman and saying well done on hitting me for three fours in an over like Wagner did to Wade.
The Kiwis are all over being loved and playing the game in the right spirit but have overdone it and Wagner should save the niceties
for when the test series is over.
Warne and McGrath are in a different universe to Wagner and the other Kiwi pretenders.....test cricket is in a bad way if the Kiwis are the 2nd best team in the world and Wagner the 2nd best bowler IMHO.

 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 04, 2020, 11:46:12 am
Not sure bowling short with a packed legside field makes him McGraths league, the latter bowled batsman out while Wagner just waits for the batsman to mistime a pull or hook.
Viv, Ponting, Richie Richardson etc would have carved Wagner all over the park bowling that line at his pace....

Amen.

Wagner is B grade at best.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 04, 2020, 11:59:48 am
Wade surely is done.
Seriously we’re vying for number 1 in the world with a bloke at 5 that couldn’t survive at 7.
Start being proper selectors, you can’t pick sides based on stats alone
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 04, 2020, 12:01:36 pm
Wagner's tactics are legitimate, his execution of them is first class.

It's no good Australia sooking about it whenever Smith or Warner doesn't make a ton!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 04, 2020, 12:32:42 pm
Wagner's tactics are legitimate, his execution of them is first class.

It's no good Australia sooking about it whenever Smith or Warner doesn't make a ton!

Problem for NZ is that as good as he is at executing the skills he has, they still don’t win.
It’s a long slow way to get wickets and doesn’t stop us scoring 400+

Inevitably you won’t win big tests bowling that garbage line and length
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 04, 2020, 12:58:41 pm
Problem for NZ is that as good as he is at executing the skills he has, they still don’t win.
It’s a long slow way to get wickets and doesn’t stop us scoring 400+

Inevitably you won’t win big tests bowling that garbage line and length
They've got plenty of line and length guys like Boult, Southee and Henry that can't do what Wagner has done, and even England on livelier wickets than the current series couldn't do what Wagner has done either. Like him or hate him he gets the credits.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 05, 2020, 09:40:49 am
Apparently Matthew Wade passed a concussion test but has to do another one this morning.

I didn’t see the incident.  Did he wear a bouncer?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on January 05, 2020, 10:51:06 am
Apparently Matthew Wade passed a concussion test but has to do another one this morning.

I didn’t see the incident.  Did he wear a bouncer?


No DJC. He was fielding very close to the batsman and copped a very hard one.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 05, 2020, 02:31:46 pm
No DJC. He was fielding very close to the batsman and copped a very hard one.

Ouch!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on January 06, 2020, 03:03:55 pm
New Zealand ... hang your heads in shame.  Absolute crape
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 06, 2020, 06:12:00 pm
New Zealand ... hang your heads in shame.  Absolute crape

Whole summer of cricket has been a non contest, second best team going around??..what carp.
You have India, Aus, England and maybe South Africa...the rest are rubbish and if we are to have a decent summer of cricket we need to fixture a decent team from the former group I mentioned to be playing at least 3 tests if we have to include these second rate test nations because having these non contests are bad for the game IMO.
Everyone loves Aus to win but you want a contest not the carp that Pakistan and New Zealand have dished up...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on January 06, 2020, 10:45:23 pm
I said months back this summer was headed for failure and look at it.  Disaster. 

Marnus my son, you could be anything.  Seriously good already regardless of the attack.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 15, 2020, 11:44:51 am
I'd be checking the betting slips.   That 50-50 result reeks and I'm not smelling roses and chocolate.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 15, 2020, 12:07:33 pm
I'd be checking the betting slips.  That 50-50 result reeks and I'm not smelling roses and chocolate.
The Indians were going at 80%, they didn't want to be there and treated it like a practice match, and you could tell Kholi wasn't interested at all as he barely raise a complaint!

The Aussies were also quite lucky on the night, several edges and miss-hits lobbed into free space and all the reviews went Australia's way.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 15, 2020, 04:50:51 pm
The Indians were going at 80%, they didn't want to be there and treated it like a practice match, and you could tell Kholi wasn't interested at all as he barely raise a complaint!

The Aussies were also quite lucky on the night, several edges and miss-hits lobbed into free space and all the reviews went Australia's way.

Have to agree, Kohli was very giving of praise to the Aussie team  and treated the game like a charity event, seemed slow in moving his field and lacking in imagination which is unlike him and just let the game roll on.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 15, 2020, 05:10:18 pm
Have to agree, Kohli was very giving of praise to the Aussie team  and treated the game like a charity event, seemed slow in moving his field and lacking in imagination which is unlike him and just let the game roll on.
Playing possum for the T20 World Cup?

Shami and Bumrah underdone, some kids playing, and next thing it's "Well we can't win so why try?"
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on January 16, 2020, 08:23:25 am
Well, if India wants to muck around and play silly buggers the best thing our blokes can do is go out there and give them
a thrashing, and that's what they did.
Top effort from our openers. Warner loves making runs and he's very good at it.

A general bloody good effort from Australia and that's what I like to see. :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 16, 2020, 10:12:17 am
A general bloody good effort from Australia and that's what I like to see. :)
Agreed, you can only play against who you play against.

No wonder it wasn't broadcast FTA, CheatsTV must have known something the rest of us didn't!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on January 16, 2020, 10:23:49 am
I reckon Virat and his lads might have had a few $$$ on the Aussies winning in the manner they did?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 18, 2020, 10:11:18 am
Even more evidence to check the books after that result.....cold pastie to beef Wellington overnight,  sure,  we believe that one Virat.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 18, 2020, 11:46:50 am
Even more evidence to check the books after that result.....cold pastie to beef Wellington overnight,  sure,  we believe that one Virat.
Yep the Mr nice guy ICC award winner seemed a bit more interested as did his troops, I liked the old Kholi better, this new nice guy stuff is doing my head in.
Good to see Rabada suspended as well over in South Afrikaans , abusing batsman, screaming at them, he has been allowed to get away with it too long. Poms doing a number on the Saffies with Stokes leading the way along with wonder kid Pope, the quota system has really stuffed SA cricket as they cant seem to consistently pick their best teams.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on January 18, 2020, 01:51:47 pm
Even more evidence to check the books after that result.....cold pastie to beef Wellington overnight,  sure,  we believe that one Virat.

I knew you'd be on to that EB :)  They're nothing if not transparent.  And untouchable
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 18, 2020, 04:25:00 pm
How does Kholi run down the middle of the wicket for his entire innings, then the moment he is dismissed they warn the other batsmen?

Crap umpiring, or corrupt umpiring?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 18, 2020, 05:05:04 pm
How does Kholi run down the middle of the wicket for his entire innings, then the moment he is dismissed they warn the other batsmen?

Crap umpiring, or corrupt umpiring?

When you are the reigning ICC Mr Nice guy you get away with everything.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 23, 2020, 04:59:18 pm
Great to see Carey getting a run in the T20s, this bloke is the real deal.

SAffies were a joke!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 23, 2020, 09:02:13 pm
Great to see Carey getting a run in the T20s, this bloke is the real deal.

SAffies were a joke!

Saffies are in real trouble, their domestic good players are leaving for Kolpak contracts in the English county comps or the t20 comps around the world and they have lost all their star players due to retirement with no new ones on the horizon. Add the ridiculous quota system and they are at rock bottom.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 24, 2020, 12:23:46 pm
Mitch Marsh, when will they learn!  :-[

The Marsh brothers are an enigma, they can hit the ball out of the park, score big totals at a rapid rate, they seem to have all the talent in the world.

But they both start an innings batting like they have a stutter, and this slow starting habit seems to put the brakes on our teams momentum every time, no matter what they end up scoring as individuals, they exist in a space that transfers pressure to those around them. They seem to play cricket without sacrifice!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 24, 2020, 01:36:40 pm
I feel sorry for this English girl being lambasted over her failure to Mankad an opponent.

It's unfair, Mankad has been so stigmatised by the media it's become impossible for the bowlers to act on it and whoever is batting will just ignore the rules.

Some large portion of the quick singles are illegitimate, and as such so are the batting records!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 24, 2020, 05:30:57 pm
Mitch Marsh, when will they learn!  :-[

The Marsh brothers are an enigma, they can hit the ball out of the park, score big totals at a rapid rate, they seem to have all the talent in the world.

But they both start an innings batting like they have a stutter, and this slow starting habit seems to put the brakes on our teams momentum every time, no matter what they end up scoring as individuals, they exist in a space that transfers pressure to those around them. They seem to play cricket without sacrifice!

Both Marsh brothers have failed to live up to the hype that comes with having Marsh as a surname...Mitch has always been our hope of having what we crave and thats the next Flintoff or Stokes and always comes up short when it counts mainly due to a poor technique. Shaun teases and gives you something every 6th innings but has also disappointed when its tough conditions and a good technique and strong mind are whats required and he usually gets dismissed with a poor lazy shot designed for a flat track.
A very decent catch to dismiss M. Marsh though this latest innings and he was a tad unlucky..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: capcom on February 24, 2020, 05:53:37 pm
I feel sorry for this English girl being lambasted over her failure to Mankad an opponent.

It's unfair, Mankad has been so stigmatised by the media it's become impossible for the bowlers to act on it and whoever is batting will just ignore the rules.

Some large portion of the quick singles are illegitimate, and as such so are the batting records!

It's no way to win when she was given the same latitude when batting.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 25, 2020, 07:56:04 pm
The future is here!

https://thewest.com.au/sport/cricket/sheffield-shield-western-australia-rising-star-cameron-green-posts-highest-ever-first-class-score-after-unbeaten-158-ng-b881472110z?fbclid=IwAR1JI8xArkd9hwALDN_m9U5M2HJXuuFLudhGGkb92jMj3-NKUZERwxwsrYQ
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on February 25, 2020, 08:21:55 pm
Cam Green is a gun, best prospect for Australian cricket for a long time
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 25, 2020, 10:21:58 pm
Cam Green is a gun, best prospect for Australian cricket for a long time

Good technique suited to the longer formats, needs some county cricket experience to get used to the moving ball, handy he can bowl 140k but looks a bit injury prone so I'd be seeing him more as a batsman in that No 6 slot who bowls everynow and then but not fulltime.
We always tend to look for the Stokes type allrounder and always end up disappointed...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on February 26, 2020, 04:46:39 pm
Apparently his back injury is very similar to what Pat Cummins had, and the correction he needs to make to his action is also similar to what Cummins had to do. I have faith that we learned a lot from that, and we'll be able to get him back to bowling at his best, even if it takes a couple of years to get there. Agree he should spend a couple of winters over there facing the Duke ball in helpful conditions