Its taken a few weeks, but its time this thread got a run on the New Look Forum.
2 games out of the 8 with 4 game left, 3 Against Top 8 Teams. Bombers limping, but Bulldogs Improving, Tigers going well and Port hard to beat at home.
Are we talking about 2013 or 2014? :P
The season was over a while ago IMO, if a few miracles happened then we may have arsed our way in but at this point I have us finishing 10th (did a ladder predictor last night). I thought we'd be 7-8th at the start of the year, improving at this stage of the season and coming home strong with a clear direction on where we would be going in 2014. But now I'm just scratching my head.
Club must be disappointed.
It was probably over a few weeks back but stringing those 3-4 wins together gave us all some glimmer of hope. The loss to Freo now puts us two games out of the eight which is nearly impossible to catch-up at this time of year.
Wouldn't be surprised if we got leap-frogged by a could of the other teams immediately below us either, their last four games are easier than ours.
C'mon Summer...
Our efforts against Freo put paid to any joy of maybe playing finals for me. We simply aren't equipped to do that very well atm. The only benefit could be possibly experience for younger players, but the intensity could also traumatise a few of them!
Start planning for 2014 if we haven't already done so.
3 Against Top 8 Teams.
BTW, very important we win at least one of these. I worry about the mental resolve of this group if Richmond smashes us. But to go the entire year and only beat Port Adelaide in Melbourne out of the 8 would be a very poor return.
Are we talking about 2013 or 2014? :P
The season was over a while ago IMO, if a few miracles happened then we may have arsed our way in but at this point I have us finishing 10th (did a ladder predictor last night). I thought we'd be 7-8th at the start of the year, improving at this stage of the season and coming home strong with a clear direction on where we would be going in 2014. But now I'm just scratching my head.
Club must be disappointed.
Club must be Absolutely disappointed.
Fremantle started slow under Lyon last year but really played well the end of last year where they "bought in" to the Lyon style and saved a few guys Careers.
Thought we would finish strong, but it seems the complete opposite and how long should we wait for the "Mick Effect" to take hold.
Port have taken less time.
Fremantle started slow under Lyon last year but really played well the end of last year where they "bought in" to the Lyon style and saved a few guys Careers.
Was talking last night with a guy at the football and we both thought that Lyon was our VFL coach when Parkin was around (hazy memories). I wonder what would have been if we appointed Lyon as coach instead of Brittain.
Port have taken no time. Sort of makes a mockery of the 'new gameplan takes time' theory. Also makes you wonder where we might be had we got Hinkley and not the Dark Lo....whoops I mean Malthouse!
Anyway Shades, can we please change the thread title to the 'Era Over Thread' cause this group is going nowhere.
Port have taken no time. Sort of makes a mockery of the 'new gameplan takes time' theory. Also makes you wonder where we might be had we got Hinkley and not the Dark Lo....whoops I mean Malthouse!
Anyway Shades, can we please change the thread title to the 'Era Over Thread' cause this group is going nowhere.
My problem was not getting Rid of Ratts, it was the again apparent lack of Due process in appointing a coach. Since Parkin we have gone untried, Outdated premiership coach, untried, outdated Premiership Coach (??) with no Due process or Interviews or nothing.
There are several amazing Coaches waiting to go and Hinkley, Scott and Sanderson are just to name a few. I would have liked to look at Teague, Burns Hinkley and if Mick was the best of that lot, so be it.
But it seems as thought the cycle continues.
Port have taken no time. Sort of makes a mockery of the 'new gameplan takes time' theory. Also makes you wonder where we might be had we got Hinkley and not the Dark Lo....whoops I mean Malthouse!
Anyway Shades, can we please change the thread title to the 'Era Over Thread' cause this group is going nowhere.
Port have a good midfield...Boak has been a good choice as skipper unlike Murphy and both Hartlett and Wingard have excellent skills.....you add a new tough in and under in Ollie Wines plus workmanlike players in Broadbent and Cornes and you have some nice balance....only Cornes is a genuine tagger the rest are offensive players who win games....you can add the kid Grigg who came on and helped beat the Crows to that group as well. Its mainly young kids who are very skillful.......they will belt us in the last game....
Port have taken no time. Sort of makes a mockery of the 'new gameplan takes time' theory. Also makes you wonder where we might be had we got Hinkley and not the Dark Lo....whoops I mean Malthouse!
Anyway Shades, can we please change the thread title to the 'Era Over Thread' cause this group is going nowhere.
Port have a good midfield...Boak has been a good choice as skipper unlike Murphy and both Hartlett and Wingard have excellent skills.....you add a new tough in and under in Ollie Wines plus workmanlike players in Broadbent and Cornes and you have some nice balance....only Cornes is a genuine tagger the rest are offensive players who win games....you can add the kid Grigg who came on and helped beat the Crows to that group as well. Its mainly young kids who are very skillful.......they will belt us in the last game....
Ahem, correct me if Im wrong, but Grigg played for the crows, and you are thinking of Colquhoun instead.
Griig definitely played for the Crows and it was some performance let me tell you!
Port have taken no time. Sort of makes a mockery of the 'new gameplan takes time' theory. Also makes you wonder where we might be had we got Hinkley and not the Dark Lo....whoops I mean Malthouse!
Anyway Shades, can we please change the thread title to the 'Era Over Thread' cause this group is going nowhere.
Port have a good midfield...Boak has been a good choice as skipper unlike Murphy and both Hartlett and Wingard have excellent skills.....you add a new tough in and under in Ollie Wines plus workmanlike players in Broadbent and Cornes and you have some nice balance....only Cornes is a genuine tagger the rest are offensive players who win games....you can add the kid Grigg who came on and helped beat the Crows to that group as well. Its mainly young kids who are very skillful.......they will belt us in the last game....
Ahem, correct me if Im wrong, but Grigg played for the crows, and you are thinking of Colquhoun instead.
You are correct...Mitchell Grigg plays for the Crows, happy to retract him from the Port midfield :-[
No worries EB1, we are all entitled to an errror.
In any case both subs came on and took the game by the scruff of the neck.
Ours come on and all you hear are crickets. Something definately wrong between the ears of our boys. I have not been uber impressed with a debutant since Jeffy Garlett made his debut.
Port have taken no time. Sort of makes a mockery of the 'new gameplan takes time' theory. Also makes you wonder where we might be had we got Hinkley and not the Dark Lo....whoops I mean Malthouse!
Anyway Shades, can we please change the thread title to the 'Era Over Thread' cause this group is going nowhere.
My problem was not getting Rid of Ratts, it was the again apparent lack of Due process in appointing a coach. Since Parkin we have gone untried, Outdated premiership coach, untried, outdated Premiership Coach (??) with no Due process or Interviews or nothing.
There are several amazing Coaches waiting to go and Hinkley, Scott and Sanderson are just to name a few. I would have liked to look at Teague, Burns Hinkley and if Mick was the best of that lot, so be it.
But it seems as thought the cycle continues.
Sums it up pretty well for me shades. I think the salt in the wound will be if Roos takes Dees job :(
Port have taken no time. Sort of makes a mockery of the 'new gameplan takes time' theory. Also makes you wonder where we might be had we got Hinkley and not the Dark Lo....whoops I mean Malthouse!
Anyway Shades, can we please change the thread title to the 'Era Over Thread' cause this group is going nowhere.
Port have a good midfield...Boak has been a good choice as skipper unlike Murphy and both Hartlett and Wingard have excellent skills.....you add a new tough in and under in Ollie Wines plus workmanlike players in Broadbent and Cornes and you have some nice balance....only Cornes is a genuine tagger the rest are offensive players who win games....you can add the kid Grigg who came on and helped beat the Crows to that group as well. Its mainly young kids who are very skillful.......they will belt us in the last game....
Yep, hence Why I would be trading some so called stars to get 2 midfielders from the draft that can have an immediate impact (think Wines and Wingard). That along with the development of Buckley and Graham and trade for a Nathan Jones/Brad Sewell (Brad Ebert), we can beef up this area quickly.
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BOOM!
I want to rebuild via the draft but believe that getting somebody like Sewell in would be beneficial because he has the kind of qualities that our list lacks, plus he comes from a good footballing culture. I would bet that Sewell goes far far harder at every aspect of footy, be it prep, training and match day than all on our list bar one C. Judd.
So I am all for selective acquisitive, but no crap trucks, no trading because we can and no "because he was available" cr@p. It has to be measured and for reason.
@ Prof E
Sewell is EXACTLY the type of player we need I agree. Would love to get him on board. Wonder if we could get him in six-pack size?
@ Prof E
Sewell is EXACTLY the type of player we need I agree. Would love to get him on board. Wonder if we could get him in six-pack size?
would love sewell at the club
Forgive me if this is inaccurate, but isnt Mclean and Sewell a similar type, and isnt Cachia and Curnow on that sort of level as well?
The only reason I like the idea of bringing in Sewell is the way he might be able to help prop us up, but even so, is he coming here to earn an easier game making him counter productive to what we want to achieve?
I think its important that we only bring in someone who will earn their spot which means a recycled retread from another side that is currently not getting a look in because the club culture is divisive and is not part of the in crowd. So in essence, Shaun Grigg...
We would have to look at Melbourne, GWS, Gold Coast and perhaps Collingwood for those purposes, but until we fix our culture, even that will be a waste of time. Its a right pickle to be in. I think Richmond got it right when they chose the route they chose a few years ago. Just went a big cull to the list, stuck with quality people and kept churning over the list until they got the right mix of players.
We had the prime example of player in Chris Judd to do this, and sat on our eggs... Might have cost us in the end.
Sewell is light year ahead of MacLean and a freakin' galaxy ahead of the next two names.
I've seen Sewell drag the Hawks over the line in big games when the other "names" haven't had good days, he doesn't take a backward step and has high 'hurt factor'. Kicks a reasonable amount of goals for a midfielder, but his attitude has always impressed me - team orientated and prepared to get his hands dirty.
If he truly is on the outer at Hawthorn I'd be calling his manager right now and I'd be dangling the VC his way as well IMO. If we could get some of that attitude to rub off on gliders like Gibbs etc (I know, that would be a miracle) we would have to be better for it.
Sewell is too slow, even the Dawks realise they cannot have Mitchell, Sewell and Lewis in the midfield together as opposition teams expose them for pace.
We already have too many slower leg types, McLean, Cachia and Curnow. We need some bigger bodies who have pace to work an opponent over. We should be developing guys like Armfield, Tuohy and maybe McInnes to have a midfield rotation as attacking players not as taggers, that will add to someone like Bell and Carrazzo. This would allow the likes of Murphy, Betts and Yarran to stay and work outside were they are best suited.
Not sure you watched the Norp game but Ling's comments about Harvey showed you what smart players and teams can do. They knew Harvey was Norps prime clearance and spread player. But the Norp at the time had nobody else winning as much inside ball either. Ling knew he could not go with Harvey for outside pace and that the other Norp mids were covered. So he said he would shove Harvey into as many congested situations as possible to prevent his spread and it was job done. Now with the new Norp midfield it wouldn't be so easy as they have Swallow, Ziebel and Wells in support! Does that story remind you of anyone, it should that is the same tactic being used against Murphy!
Get Sewell as an assistant coach!
@ Prof E
Sewell is EXACTLY the type of player we need I agree. Would love to get him on board. Wonder if we could get him in six-pack size?
Would bring a success culture and expectation that is much needed (der... ya think!!!). Knows what it takes. Too many of our girls were raised on failure, regardless of their high draft pick status (Murph, Gibbs, Kreuz, Walks). We need to bring in a few older blokes who've been raised on success and the pain that is necessary to create this.
@ Prof E
Sewell is EXACTLY the type of player we need I agree. Would love to get him on board. Wonder if we could get him in six-pack size?
Would bring a success culture and expectation that is much needed (der... ya think!!!). Knows what it takes. Too many of our girls were raised on failure, regardless of their high draft pick status (Murph, Gibbs, Kreuz, Walks). We need to bring in a few older blokes who've been raised on success and the pain that is necessary to create this.
Er, isn't that why we recruited Judd?
@ Prof E
Sewell is EXACTLY the type of player we need I agree. Would love to get him on board. Wonder if we could get him in six-pack size?
Would bring a success culture and expectation that is much needed (der... ya think!!!). Knows what it takes. Too many of our girls were raised on failure, regardless of their high draft pick status (Murph, Gibbs, Kreuz, Walks). We need to bring in a few older blokes who've been raised on success and the pain that is necessary to create this.
Er, isn't that why we recruited Judd?
So what are you saying JoFo - we stuffed that up so we shouldn't try it again - better to stick with the peahearts?
Forgive me if this is inaccurate, but isnt Mclean and Sewell a similar type, and isnt Cachia and Curnow on that sort of level as well?
The only reason I like the idea of bringing in Sewell is the way he might be able to help prop us up, but even so, is he coming here to earn an easier game making him counter productive to what we want to achieve?
I think its important that we only bring in someone who will earn their spot which means a recycled retread from another side that is currently not getting a look in because the club culture is divisive and is not part of the in crowd. So in essence, Shaun Grigg...
We would have to look at Melbourne, GWS, Gold Coast and perhaps Collingwood for those purposes, but until we fix our culture, even that will be a waste of time. Its a right pickle to be in. I think Richmond got it right when they chose the route they chose a few years ago. Just went a big cull to the list, stuck with quality people and kept churning over the list until they got the right mix of players.
We had the prime example of player in Chris Judd to do this, and sat on our eggs... Might have cost us in the end.
Tigers have recruited well ...its not rocket science why they have improved....Maric is now a genuine A grade ruckman who can control games and protect his smalls, Chaplain has shored up the backline and made Rance a better player, Morris, Ellis and Vlastuin are hard kids with long careers ahead of them. They also picked the right man to be captain and thats Cotchin....
Can the Tigers keep recruiting well , get rid of their remaining duds and take the next step...thats the challenge they have...
Season not over!!
Goals met? :-P
The thing is, if we lose to Port, North will beat Collingwood. North will have everything to play for and Collingwood wont mind the hit out and that's about it.
The thing is, if we lose to Port, North will beat Collingwood. North will have everything to play for and Collingwood wont mind the hit out and that's about it.
That was my thought exactly. Did you copy and paste my post ? ;D
The thing is, if we lose to Port, North will beat Collingwood. North will have everything to play for and Collingwood wont mind the hit out and that's about it.
That was my thought exactly. Did you copy and paste my post ? ;D
It would be a remarkable thing to do before you'd actually posted it!
Regardless, for the umpteenth time our season is back in our hands. Surely we can win one of these season defining games?
The thing is, if we lose to Port, North will beat Collingwood. North will have everything to play for and Collingwood wont mind the hit out and that's about it.
That was my thought exactly. Did you copy and paste my post ? ;D
It would be a remarkable thing to do before you'd actually posted it!
Regardless, for the umpteenth time our season is back in our hands. Surely we can win one of these season defining games?
Wrong thread (Port vs Carl). I think we can lose another one of these games and most likely will. I have given up. I know I shouldn't and its my bad attitude, but I am lost for words.
Still alive and what a way to do it ;D
Faintest chance of making a prelim... Who would have thunk it?
Imagine we went all the way on the back of getting a position through bummers' cheating and won #17. I reckon that would destroy bummer fans for life. oh so sweet.
Imagine we went all the way on the back of getting a position through bummers' cheating and won #17. I reckon that would destroy bummer fans for life. oh so sweet.
Don't forget the 1,000,000 Mars Bars ;D
Be an interesting thread now to read from the start. Is it over yet?...lol.
Make the thread title need's to be changed to "Season Still Going"..lol!.
BUMP
Can we get to the Bye 4-4?
Require us winning at least 4 games in a row, A feat managed only twice in 13 years and the club has not won 5 games in a row since 2000 (where we won 13 in a row).
Season's over.
Season's over.
I'm pretty sure we play West Coast next weekend ;D
Really? Lol
Season's over.
I'm pretty sure we play West Coast next weekend ;D
Well I guess it depends on what your definition of over is.
It's alive in terms of getting games into kids but that's about it but hope springs eternal and if you're a "while it's mathematically possible" type guy then I don't see an issue but we won't get there without someone shooting themselves in the foot.
Season's over.
I'm pretty sure we play West Coast next weekend ;D
Well I guess it depends on what your definition of over is.
It's alive in terms of getting games into kids but that's about it but hope springs eternal and if you're a "while it's mathematically possible" type guy then I don't see an issue but we won't get there without someone shooting themselves in the foot.
If we win 2 out of every 3 games from here, we make finals. I don't think that is completely out of the realm of possibility.
Season's over.
I'm pretty sure we play West Coast next weekend ;D
Well I guess it depends on what your definition of over is.
It's alive in terms of getting games into kids but that's about it but hope springs eternal and if you're a "while it's mathematically possible" type guy then I don't see an issue but we won't get there without someone shooting themselves in the foot.
If we win 2 out of every 3 games from here, we make finals. I don't think that is completely out of the realm of possibility.
Winning 66% of your games are what top 4 sides did last year, we're not there.
Thought this was a fun read: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-25/can-your-team-still-play-finals
Rusty blues sounds pretty good to me :P
Since the current finals system has been in place apparently no side has ever made finals from 2-5 down.
We have to set a record to get to the eight, can we do it?
Since the current finals system has been in place apparently no side has ever made finals from 2-5 down.
We have to set a record to get to the eight, can we do it?
NO.
No
Since the current finals system has been in place apparently no side has ever made finals from 2-5 down.
We have to set a record to get to the eight, can we do it?
No and it would do us a disservice to do so.
We need quality draft picks as this season is dead and buried.
Seasons finished, back to the draft. Hopefully we can pick up a key position forward.
Seasons finished, back to the draft. Hopefully we can pick up a key position forward.
Who are the better players on the list in your opinion who shall take us further?
Hendo! Forward or Back?
Seasons finished, back to the draft. Hopefully we can pick up a key position forward.
Who are the better players on the list in your opinion who shall take us further?
Hendo! Forward or Back?
I prefer Henderson forward, but I don't think he can do it alone. Waite will be known as a never was, promised the world and has never really delivered. Levi can mark well and is a big boy but really needs someone to teach him to kick. Watson up back is still not there , bootsma won't ever get there.....So maybe we need a KP forward and back.
@ Morbria...
Do you think that Bootsma is really being developed as a KP though?
What does Watto bring to the table?
Into whom is MM moulding Levi?
@JUDD KREUZER
I think Levi is trying to be abit like the fev, but he can't kick. Bootsma not a KP but I don't even think he'll make it at afl level. Watson will be a good backman but still needs time, big body big boot. Gibbs can go at seasons end and sorry to say this but I would trade the injury prone kruzer while he still has value.
I doubt very much that MM is moulding Levi into Fev Morbria, but thank you for your candid response.
I doubt very much that MM is moulding Levi into Fev Morbria, but thank you for your candid response.
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I didn't say MM is moulding Levi into a fev, but I tkink Levi is trying to be a big power forward like the fev.
( Without the dummy spits.)
( Without the dummy spits.)
Not a trait normally associated with the great man. Would you care to elaborate?
I actually rate Fev as one of our greats. He did lose his way and that is well documented but he never disrespected his Carlton roots.
Said this when after we just won our first match for the year and were 1-4
If we win 2 out of every 3 games from here, we make finals. I don't think that is completely out of the realm of possibility.
We have now won 4 from 5 and are ahead of schedule. :)
We have now won 4 from 5 and are ahead of schedule. :)
Lions, Cats and Dawks next three!
We have now won 4 from 5 and are ahead of schedule. :)
Lions, Cats and Dawks next three!
with GWS after that.
Lets say we do what we are supposed to do, beat Lions and GWS. Lose to Cats and Hawks.
Means we we'd be 6 from 9 (or 2 out of every 3). ;)
We have now won 4 from 5 and are ahead of schedule. :)
Lions, Cats and Dawks next three!
with GWS after that.
Lets say we do what we are supposed to do, beat Lions and GWS. Lose to Cats and Hawks.
Means we we'd be 6 from 9 (or 2 out of every 3). ;)
So you think the football we are playing is finals material, really?
I might be pessimistic, but I ain't naive! ;)
When supporters get on the bandwagon after games like that you know they have settled!
We have now won 4 from 5 and are ahead of schedule. :)
Lions, Cats and Dawks next three!
with GWS after that.
Lets say we do what we are supposed to do, beat Lions and GWS. Lose to Cats and Hawks.
Means we we'd be 6 from 9 (or 2 out of every 3). ;)
So you think the football we are playing is finals material, really?
I might be pessimistic, but I ain't naive! ;)
When supports get on the bandwagon after games like that you know they have settled!
What bandwagon? I was never off it.
People jumped off early and wanted Mick gone. I stressed it was only 4 rounds into the year and pointed out that it was far from over.
I'm not saying we are going to win the flag, just saying its far from time to throw in the towel.
A win is a win, but in ain't all roses either!
I'd say 16 out of 18 teams would have beaten us on that form tonight.
Why they subbed Rutten tonight is a mystery, perhaps the worst coaching decision in the history of having subs. I'd be checking Adelaide's TAB accounts in case they backed us!
Oh, i get it. We only won because they were crap.
If we had've lost, it would've been because we were crap.
You must look outside, see the sun shining and think, its only a matter of time until the rain comes. What a great way to go through life.
Oh, i get it. We only won because they were crap.
If we had've lost, it would've been because we were crap.
You must look outside, see the sun shining and think, its only a matter of time until the rain comes. What a great way to go through life.
If you were stuck in the Anzac trenches and found a penny in the mud you'd think you were lucky, I'd see the irony! ;)
A win is a win, but in ain't all roses either!
I'd say 16 out of 18 teams would have beaten us on that form tonight.
Why they subbed Rutten tonight is a mystery, perhaps the worst coaching decision in the history of having subs. I'd be checking Adelaide's TAB accounts in case they backed us!
See, I don't think thats right.
The Bulldogs tried to do to GC what we did tonight to Adelaide. i.e. make it a scrap and stop their quick ball movement. That's what Adelaide loves.
Dogs couldn't do it and got pulverized, we could and won the game.
See, I don't think thats right.
The Bulldogs tried to do to GC what we did tonight to Adelaide. i.e. make it a scrap and stop their quick ball movement. That's what Adelaide loves.
Dogs couldn't do it and got pulverized, we could and won the game.
I thought our stopping the Crows was great, and contrast by our turnovers.
A win is a win, but in ain't all roses either!
I'd say 16 out of 18 teams would have beaten us on that form tonight.
Why they subbed Rutten tonight is a mystery, perhaps the worst coaching decision in the history of having subs. I'd be checking Adelaide's TAB accounts in case they backed us!
See, I don't think thats right.
The Bulldogs tried to do to GC what we did tonight to Adelaide. i.e. make it a scrap and stop their quick ball movement. That's what Adelaide loves.
Dogs couldn't do it and got pulverized, we could and won the game.
I felt Adelaide made the game a scrap to stop our run?
A win is a win, but in ain't all roses either!
I'd say 16 out of 18 teams would have beaten us on that form tonight.
Why they subbed Rutten tonight is a mystery, perhaps the worst coaching decision in the history of having subs. I'd be checking Adelaide's TAB accounts in case they backed us!
See, I don't think thats right.
The Bulldogs tried to do to GC what we did tonight to Adelaide. i.e. make it a scrap and stop their quick ball movement. That's what Adelaide loves.
Dogs couldn't do it and got pulverized, we could and won the game.
I felt Adelaide made the game a scrap to stop our run?
Really?. What would they have to gain. They looked all at sea in defence for the entire first half.
Their best footy is Dangerfield, Douglas, Thompson and Sloane running amok and quick play on footy.
A win is a win, but in ain't all roses either!
I'd say 16 out of 18 teams would have beaten us on that form tonight.
Why they subbed Rutten tonight is a mystery, perhaps the worst coaching decision in the history of having subs. I'd be checking Adelaide's TAB accounts in case they backed us!
See, I don't think thats right.
The Bulldogs tried to do to GC what we did tonight to Adelaide. i.e. make it a scrap and stop their quick ball movement. That's what Adelaide loves.
Dogs couldn't do it and got pulverized, we could and won the game.
I felt Adelaide made the game a scrap to stop our run?
Sorry, LR, but I thought the opposite. I thought our defensive pressure frustrated the way they wanted to play. If you watch, in particular, that first half again you'll see that our defensive pressure was manic and that really threw them.
The game style had Micks fingerprints all over it.
I had no issue with it, although it does fatigue the team.
Richmond, Melb losses hurt but 5-5 hopefully and the Hawks are hurtin from our 150yj?
Who knows.
Richmond, Melb losses hurt but 5-5 hopefully and the Hawks are hurtin from our 150yj?
Who knows.
Well, as Mick said in the presser... We were playing underdone players
Richmond, Melb losses hurt but 5-5 hopefully and the Hawks are hurtin from our 150yj?
Who knows.
Well, as Mick said in the presser... We were playing underdone players
I don't take much notice of what Mick says in a presser.
Unless there was only 22 to choose from... no excuses mick.
Richmond, Melb losses hurt but 5-5 hopefully and the Hawks are hurtin from our 150yj?
Who knows.
Well, as Mick said in the presser... We were playing underdone players
I don't take much notice of what Mick says in a presser.
I think there was merit in what he said though Shades. It's undeniable we were pretty well underdone early one. But in saying that, I still reckon our season is shot, and that doesn't bother me provided we unearth a few more with some serious potential.
Richmond, Melb losses hurt but 5-5 hopefully and the Hawks are hurtin from our 150yj?
Who knows.
Well, as Mick said in the presser... We were playing underdone players
I don't take much notice of what Mick says in a presser.
I think there was merit in what he said though Shades. It's undeniable we were pretty well underdone early one. But in saying that, I still reckon our season is shot, and that doesn't bother me provided we unearth a few more with some serious potential.
This. Buckley, Doc, Menzel find another player, get a good draft pick. I can handle that.
The plan to clog it up was definitely ours, you could see Adelaide looked that much more dangerous when they found space. They probably should have won it in the end anyway so not sure it entirely worked. I think the better teams would've steam rolled us after half time. I still say we play better when we attack and I highly doubt we can play like that consistently.
Crows were flooding way more than we were.
It's often hard to figure out who started it, just as it's hard to figure out which ruckman or marking target started a wrestle.
It would have suited the Crows if they'd been able to send back additional players into the D50 and their opponents had followed them. That would have left 2/3rds of the ground fairly open and Dangerfield and Eddie would have enjoyed the ability to run. They also like to have a loose man on the back flank through which to direct play.
There's always a choice to make. Do you go man on man and continue to man up opponents who flood back into D50 (knowing that the opposing coach can continue to send players back until you blink)? Or do you allow a loose defender or 2 to set up deep? Often, the determining factor is whether the other side can free up a loose defender who is much more effective in that role than the loose defender you'll have. If they manage to free up Dangerfield and we have Jamo playing loose, that's a disaster. In that case, you'd have to continue to man up and hope you can still kick goals against the flood.
Even after this massive run of good form, still don't think we will make the 8 though.
Even after this massive run of good form, still don't think we will make the 8 though.
Not really sure it matters.
Just need to see an effort like last night. Plan for the opposition and execute.
You can't always win but you can always try.
Watch the Sanderson press conference. He inferred that the game got opened up a bit too much and he wasn't happy about it. Thats two opposition coaches now that have said that when being defeated by us.
We did have an extra man back, but that makes sense when you have the like of Jenkins , walker, and pods. But Sanderson said in the end it helped betts out.
Even after this massive run of good form, still don't think we will make the 8 though.
Not really sure it matters.
Just need to see an effort like last night. Plan for the opposition and execute.
You can't always win but you can always try.
Yep as Mondy mentioned, it was as close to a four quarter effort as we've got for some time.
The plan to clog it up was definitely ours, you could see Adelaide looked that much more dangerous when they found space. They probably should have won it in the end anyway so not sure it entirely worked. I think the better teams would've steam rolled us after half time. I still say we play better when we attack and I highly doubt we can play like that consistently.
Definately ours. With their forwardline we needed to clog up the ground and ensure that they couldnt get it into forward fifty quickly as it suits their team and their play. The fact that we were able to hurt them on the turnover and stop their efficiency by playing this way ratified the decision.
We do play better when we attack, but we need to be able to do both in order to really be able to take it up to everyone and become a serious threat. Sport is about balance. I heard a stat the other day on the radio, that the last 11 premiers were ranked top 5 for offense and top 5 for defense except for one team. That team was Sydney in the mid noughties when they were ranked number 1 for defense and 13th for offense.
The match taught me that we have a lot to learn about footy. Modern sport is more a game of momentum than anything else. If you can score when you have it, and prevent your opponent from scoring when you don't sooner or later momentum in a game will swing your way. The crows managed that. I thought we had all the early momentum in the third quarter but didnt hit the scoreboard and then all of a sudden Adelaide managed to score a goal against the run of play and swung the game back on their terms. We were able to get the momentum back after they inched in front and then we went on with it from there and I think that's why we are pretty chuffed with the result.
It's often hard to figure out who started it, just as it's hard to figure out which ruckman or marking target started a wrestle.
It would have suited the Crows if they'd been able to send back additional players into the D50 and their opponents had followed them. That would have left 2/3rds of the ground fairly open and Dangerfield and Eddie would have enjoyed the ability to run. They also like to have a loose man on the back flank through which to direct play.
There's always a choice to make. Do you go man on man and continue to man up opponents who flood back into D50 (knowing that the opposing coach can continue to send players back until you blink)? Or do you allow a loose defender or 2 to set up deep? Often, the determining factor is whether the other side can free up a loose defender who is much more effective in that role than the loose defender you'll have. If they manage to free up Dangerfield and we have Jamo playing loose, that's a disaster. In that case, you'd have to continue to man up and hope you can still kick goals against the flood.
Both sides played with a loose defender for the entire game, ours was Buckley for the majority of the match and Walker for the last term.
@Thry
Definitely the best part of the result is the fact that they came at us seriously, multiple times, they even got the lead but as soon as the hit the front our boys really stepped it up and looked like scoring the next few goals, which we did. I think a few weeks back, perhaps even last year we would've given the lead up like a 300/1 pop in the Melbourne Cup. That said Adelaide were very meh and butchered their chances.
Even after this massive run of good form, still don't think we will make the 8 though.
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Good win vs the Crows in terms of heart and passion but skills were ordinary and neither team looked top 8 material...
Seen our draw for rest of year. Season is over. Cue in the rack. lol
Good win vs the Crows in terms of heart and passion but skills were ordinary and neither team looked top 8 material...
Im not sure that neither is top 8 material, even if neither makes it in the end.
Seen our draw for rest of year. Season is over. Cue in the rack. lol
It is a hard draw we have left... Its good to get games into the some youngsters and have a real crack each game..
Seen our draw for rest of year. Season is over. Cue in the rack. lol
This is what we need though. No point being flat track bullies, we need to play the best to become the best. The learning curve for the kids will be enormous. We also get some players back and hopefully a settled structure. It will be tough but we'll also upset a few on the way I'm sure.
Make no mistake - that win last night will give the players a lot of self belief - and even MM some belief in the Group too!
The Crows have been in very good form winning 4 of their last five before last night..... comfortable beating the Pies - when did we last do that!?
Make no mistake - that win last night will give the players a lot of self belief - and even MM some belief in the Group too!
The Crows have been in very good form winning 4 of their last five before last night..... comfortable beating the Pies - when did we last do that!?
I think we might have just achieved winning 4 out of 5 matches.
Doggies
West Coast
Collingwood (loss)
St. Kilda
Adelaide
Make no mistake - that win last night will give the players a lot of self belief - and even MM some belief in the Group too!
The Crows have been in very good form winning 4 of their last five before last night..... comfortable beating the Pies - when did we last do that!?
Two years ago... Twice including a belting and a decimated team.