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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by laj -
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
For me it:

FB Nic Newman   Jacob Weitering   Jordan Boyd
HB Brodie Kemp   Mitch McGovern   Caleb Marchbank
C Blake Acres   Patrick Cripps   Oliver Hollands
HF Matt Cottrell   Charlie Curnow   David Cuningham
FF Tom De Koning   Harry McKay   Matt Owies
F Marc Pittonet   Adam Cerra   Sam Walsh
INT George Hewett   Matthew Kennedy   Elijah Hollands   Corey Durdin
SUB Lachlan Cowan or Alex Cincotta

IN McGovern Kemp Marchbank Hollands
OUT Williams Fantasia Young Cowan or Cincotta

Completely new HB line
Ollie back in on a wing
We played the two rucks, no Harry and won that epic final.
We had Doc and Saady though.
Durdin Cunningham Elijah, consider yourselves lucky. Voss might not be as kind to you.

Apparently, Martin is ready this week too. I'd let Marchbank play the twos as I worry about bringing in too many that have missed a bit of football.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by Baggers -
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
For me it:

FB Nic Newman   Jacob Weitering   Jordan Boyd
HB Brodie Kemp   Mitch McGovern   Caleb Marchbank
C Blake Acres   Patrick Cripps   Oliver Hollands
HF Matt Cottrell   Charlie Curnow   David Cuningham
FF Tom De Koning   Harry McKay   Matt Owies
F Marc Pittonet   Adam Cerra   Sam Walsh
INT George Hewett   Matthew Kennedy   Elijah Hollands   Corey Durdin
SUB Lachlan Cowan or Alex Cincotta

IN McGovern Kemp Marchbank Hollands
OUT Williams Fantasia Young Cowan or Cincotta

Completely new HB line
Ollie back in on a wing
We played the two rucks, no Harry and won that epic final.
We had Doc and Saady though.
Durdin Cunningham Elijah, consider yourselves lucky. Voss might not be as kind to you.


Like it, GTC... however... no way would I bring in Marchbank until he's regained match form in the Magoos. I'd back Cincotta and Cowan down back, but give them license to run-off their opponents.

Kemp for moi is a quandary. I love his attack and offensive game. Too good to be in the Magoos. Stubbornly refusing to try him elsewhere on the ground may be an issue.

Agree with no Young in your side. Too limited and one-dimensional. Understand including him because of his height, and he competes quite well in that regard, but he offers little else.

Ollie Hollands didn't front up for the Magoos game... if he does come in on the wing, perhaps a defensive role on Ed? Must say I prefer Acres and Cotters on the wings.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Domestic violence and why the government will struggle to attention the problem.
Last post by LP -
Horrendous story that is repeated too often, education is a big part of the solution, teaching dullards like Mantis' stepfather from an early age that their circumstances is not somebody else's fault.

Education won't prevent 100% of occurrences, it may even make some worse giving psychopaths enhanced skills, but it should reduce the frequency considerably, and improve the response of those around the situation.

Not making excuses, but this sort of behaviour can sometimes have it's roots in many generations, it takes courage to break free and not go down the same route because fear is at the root cause of much of it.

On one side a gutless fear, taking life's struggles out on those weaker, finding someone to blame.

The other side can be a fear of the unknown which is basically a fear of change even if it is likely to be change for the good, like an escape.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by LP -
I suppose many could argue we made finals last season from a much lower base, the trick this year might be not wasting a better start to the season.

But regardless of intent and work ethic, luck still plays a huge part at the end of the season, you can make some of your own luck, but you can't make all of it.

Sometimes the luck of somebody else is more important than your own!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by Baggers -
Quote from: DJC on
Yes, one goal in the four games BP and and five in the four WP games is a fair improvement.

I tend to agree that we're not doing too much wrong and a tweak here and there should get us back on the winning list.  However, I do think that our personnel comes into it too.  We've gone about as far as we can go with the "next man up" and need to start replacing some of those next men with the likes of Martin, McGovern and Motlop.

Agree... and disagree to a degree, David.

There was a reasonable expectation that after 33% of the season played we'd find ourselves in the top 4. Yes, the season is still young. But we find ourselves hanging on in 8th place with 2 real tough games ahead.

If we zoom out and be objective, we're a much better side than recent years, but any papered over cracks our now obvious. We've not taken the next step... yet. We have it in us. As an aside, it was a very strange feeling being in the crowd last Friday evening. Bagger fans were strangely pensive. Like a collective unconscious doubt. I couldn't feel any optimism. Others around me had the same feeling. None of us were surprised we lost. Weird.

We have the personnel, no doubt - players and coaches (though I still firmly believe we need a coaching influence on game day from someone with strong strategic ability - Hodge? Ratts?). But we still have a midfield, forward line connection issue. Not helped by 'bombing' onto the heads of H / Charles... not kicking to where they're leading to or should be. Lacking efficiency - over possessing/stuffing around with the aggot.

Seeing Martin & Motlop as being the Messiah's is fraught with danger. Though the absence of Fantasia would be a positive step. We can't afford the luxury of carrying anyone. Last Friday evening seeing Fantasia in the starting 22 ...again, along with Martin on the last line and Chugga being the emergency were absolute howlers. And most of us knew just that before the ball was bounced to start the game.

I still firmly believe that going into the Go Dees game on Thursday evening with a strong, committed and ruthless mindset of being the 'hunters' (for all 120 minutes) will resolve many an issue.

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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Domestic violence and why the government will struggle to attention the problem.
Last post by Lods -
That is absolutely horrific reading Mantis. I am so sorry you had to endure that...
If you wouldn't mind a... couple of very senitive questions and don't feel any obligation that you need to answer them.

1) How did things eventually end up for yourself, your poor mother, and your stepfather?
2) A couple of times you shifted the narrative from the past to the present (as if it was actually happening now) when describing the events. It is obviously still very raw. Have you ever spoken to a professional person about these events.

Domestic violence has been around since folks lived in caves.
It exists in all cultures.
It stems from factors such as passion, possession, control, power...and mental health.
It can be verbal as well as physical
It is often passed down through generations...'the abused becomes the abuser'.
It is not something that is transparent and more often occurs behind closed doors.

We're seeing a lot of demonstrations and a lot of talk
It might make folk feel good, as if they're at least doing something, but the solutions are still far away.
I'm not sure anyone has the answers.
Lock the abuser up?
Lock the abuser up for longer periods?
They'll just stew and work themselves up for revenge, because they'll regard themselves as the victims.
Once the abuser is released the woman and family will forever be looking over their shoulders.
It's very difficult to relocate a person(s) to the extent that they are untraceable and anyway it would mean a disconnect from family and friends.
Providing some financial support that allows the abused to leave the situation only works to the point where the abuser is kept at bay...and in the extreme deadly circumstances that are the focus of most of the protests the abuser usually finds a way.

Again, credit and great respect to Mantis for sharing his story.
If we look back, society has probably come a long way from the times where these things were not talked about.
Examples such as this, used in terms of education of the next generations is probably the only way forward.
But that will take many years to have a significant effect.