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Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #60 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Also wrapped to have him but although he might have a wise head on young shoulders, he's still a kid with a young man's emotions (although he may seem mature beyond his years) and a young body. When he went forward recently and kicked his second goal his face lit up like a Christmas tree - reward for effort, and he needs a little more of this (reward for effort). Yes, he's going to have to learn to play through and with hurt but let's not do to him what we did to Kreuz.

Agree. He needs a rest.

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Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #61 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Also wrapped to have him but although he might have a wise head on young shoulders, he's still a kid with a young man's emotions (although he may seem mature beyond his years) and a young body. When he went forward recently and kicked his second goal his face lit up like a Christmas tree - reward for effort, and he needs a little more of this (reward for effort). Yes, he's going to have to learn to play through and with hurt but let's not do to him what we did to Kreuz.

We are flogging this kid in the very same way we have previously wrecked the talent. Our club never learns, it's too impatient and run by a bunch of first class wankers.
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Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #62 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Two things I am fairly sure of:
1. This year was all about defence, defence and more defence. Fwd line, meh!
2. We were aiming to be competitive with out compromising obtaining a low draft pick.

Have to agree GTC. This year is all about learning the game plan built around team defense. So I can see were

Bolts is coming from in this regard. I remember when Ratts first took over and the thing that he instilled in

the players was to hold onto the ball and chip it around in the back half. Possession game to build confidence

and get the players use to the way he wanted to play. The game plan then changed as the players got more confidence and he in them.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #63 –
Quote from: LP on
We are flogging this kid in the very same way we have previously wrecked the talent. Our club never learns, it's too impatient and run by a bunch of first class wankers.

Unfortunately he has had to carry the load as a key defender, which he has done pretty admirably. We have had a month of top 4 opponents with gun key forwards.

Ideally we want him to play the Josh Gibson type role. Jammo is cooked, i reckon we might look to pick up a key back from another club.



Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #64 –
Some interesting stats from the game:

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Patrick Cripps
Game-high 11 clearances

Patrick Cripps led the competition clearances by nine before Saturday’s game, and only strengthened his lead with a game-high 11 against the Hawks. To put that into perspective, that equated to half of Hawthorn’s total clearances. The Blues’ No.9 was simply enormous, also recording a game-high 18 contested possessions and equal game-high 11 score involvements.

Zach Tuohy
Career-high 28 effective disposals

Was this Zach Tuohy’s best game in the navy blue? The dashing Irishman had career-high numbers in disposals (35), inside 50s (six) and effective disposals (28), with the latter allowing the Blues to have quality rebound out of defence. His equal game-high 11 score involvements indicated just how well he used the footy.

Bryce Gibbs
Game-high 19 pressure acts

Bryce Gibbs continued his rich vein of form, leading the pressure stakes with a game-high 19 pressure acts and nine tackles. Only one Hawk (Shaun Burgoyne) had over three tackles as the Blues won the tackle count 61-42.

Sam Docherty
Game-high 96% disposal efficiency

It’s rare to see Sam Docherty miss a target. No matter the pressure he was under, the ever-reliable defender consistently found a teammate with his 25 disposals in another polished performance.

Sam Kerridge
Kept Sam Mitchell to 22 disposals

Sam Kerridge got the nod to run with Sam Mitchell and didn’t disappoint, keeping the Hawthorn champion to just 22 disposals and four clearances. His ability to keep one of the AFL’s elite midfielders quiet was a big win for the Blues.

It's good to see Kerridge recognised for his job on Mitchell.  Mitchell did get away a little in the last quarter but his influence was well down.
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Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #65 –
@DJC

Tuohy had 23 at half time. Was relatively quiet after that by comparison.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #66 –
Does the 4% include the kick in straight to Bruest?
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Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #67 –

Patrick Cripps
Game-high 11 clearances

Patrick Cripps led the competition clearances by nine before Saturday’s game, and only strengthened his lead with a game-high 11 against the Hawks. To put that into perspective, that equated to half of Hawthorn’s total clearances. The Blues’ No.9 was simply enormous, also recording a game-high 18 contested possessions and equal game-high 11 score involvements.

Zach Tuohy
Career-high 28 effective disposals

Was this Zach Tuohy’s best game in the navy blue? The dashing Irishman had career-high numbers in disposals (35), inside 50s (six) and effective disposals (28), with the latter allowing the Blues to have quality rebound out of defence. His equal game-high 11 score involvements indicated just how well he used the footy.

Bryce Gibbs
Game-high 19 pressure acts

Bryce Gibbs continued his rich vein of form, leading the pressure stakes with a game-high 19 pressure acts and nine tackles. Only one Hawk (Shaun Burgoyne) had over three tackles as the Blues won the tackle count 61-42.

Sam Docherty
Game-high 96% disposal efficiency

It’s rare to see Sam Docherty miss a target. No matter the pressure he was under, the ever-reliable defender consistently found a teammate with his 25 disposals in another polished performance.

Sam Kerridge
Kept Sam Mitchell to 22 disposals

Sam Kerridge got the nod to run with Sam Mitchell and didn’t disappoint, keeping the Hawthorn champion to just 22 disposals and four clearances. His ability to keep one of the AFL’s elite midfielders quiet was a big win for the Blues.


Impressive figures. May illustrate, yet again, that too much is being left to too few.
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Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #68 –
Quote from: Raydan on
Get to as many Vineyards as you can, some top quality wines down this way.

What did you think of Aurora as a ground? It was great to see a 50/50 crowd and  know a few Hawks supports who found it unnerving with a very vocal Carlton contingent influencing a few decisions. I was giving Ray some advice in the last quarter from the boundary, saying don't be the reason that there are more memes online say free to Hawthorn, and don't let Hawthorn suck you in Ray, you're better than that, just before he gave some free's against Hawthorn. Now I don't want to take all the credit, I want to share it with the players  ::) :P

Back home after a most bucolic weekend in launceston and surrounds. Those who like champagne; some of the tassie houses are producing plonk equal to the French, so it took the edge off the loss.

York park, AKA Aurora stadium is a good place indeed to watch a game. Good atmosphere and the game was a sell out, with a 50/50 crowd annoying the hawk supporting locals i spoke to. Even the local news led that night with stories of the bars that ran out of beer. It is a place to be proud of, and it certainly does inject something into launceston, with most cafes and restaurants booked out. Of course it is heavily subsidised, but this site is neither a politics blog or a wine discussion forum so back to the game.

Standout players were cripps, simpson, docherty, gibbs and i thought rowe. Fine performances from Boekhorst, phillips and Kruezer. Curnow too worked very hard, covering alot of ground. Touhy was very good, but missed opportunities to use the ball better.

I mostly watch games in Melbourne from up high, so have seen our style and structure develop this year. In launceston was down low at the southern end, so got a better look into how the team is working together. Its fair to say we are getting there.

The two major deficiencies that i see are lapses in structure and midfield skills. The first means we are opened up against the best sides.   It means that when we kick long to a contest, we dont always have a player on the deck to mop up and keep possession. Hawthorn are outstanding at this, and it is something we are hit and miss at.

Second, as it has been discussed many a time is the skill level of our mids. Im not so fussed about our forwards. They are average, but the delivery to them is average. We spent several times in the third quarter stuck at half forward about 60 metres out, sharing the ball around but unable to get closer. Excellent disposal will allow movement forward to be quicker and more precise, overcoming the defensive wall that most league teams can muster.  Our mids are not skilled enough at this stage, with only cripps and gibbs really offering the level we need to be a finals side. Curnow, kerridge, wright, armfield, sumner combined cannot provide the skill level and thus ball movement needed to beat the premiers. Of course they may improve, but the club will decide if they stay or go over the next couple of cycles.

Those suggesting weitering has issues need to take pause and note this is an 18 year old who has played most games this year and performed magnificently. He is tired, and took a knock on a body that has taken a few. I hope he can be put on ice for the rest of the year. Silvagni is another player that may be better off taking a breather after having a taste. He has alot of development to go, and needs to work a litle on his general ferocity. I hope this makes sense as it is no slight on him, but the reality of being a skinny first year player in a man's game.

Two players i was unthrilled about were everitt and casboult. Everitt does a cameo here and there, and playes a defensive role ok, but his impact overall is limited. Casboult may well be injured, but at ground level it appears he just doesn't work hard enough. Take a look at gunston to see how hard a half forward has to work. I belive carlton will seek a trade if possible for big levi. His kicking, when he does get the ball is just so poor.

And finally, the big crowd is a good sign for the club. Not because we will make anything much from the gate, but because it shows we have a huge latent support base. That bolton is a local helped too. Hopefully the club can find inventive was to engage supporters who only make it to a game once every few years.

Go blues.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #69 –
Quote from: kruddler on
@DJC

Tuohy had 23 at half time. Was relatively quiet after that by comparison.

True, but 12 disposals in the second half isn't bad.  It would have been good if he'd nailed a couple of his shots at goal.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #70 –
Quote from: LP on
We are flogging this kid in the very same way we have previously wrecked the talent. Our club never learns, it's too impatient and run by a bunch of first class wankers.

Mark Maclure started his career in the back pocket. After a couple of seasons, he went forward and became an excellent CHF. Robert Walls was another who started back. The kid has the makings of an excellent CHF. I'm sure the wise heads at Carlton believe so too and his presence in the back half is part of the apprenticeship.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #71 –
Quote from: Robblues on
Goods thoughts Raydan, happy to hear of Rowes continued value to the team, very much under valued by many supporters I believe. You are right, need mids, some specialist players for roles.
The back structure has been good but we are also light on if Rowe or Plowman went down for an extended period. Much shuffling to be done on the draft & trade tables

I've been disappointed in Rowe the last few weeks.
Watching him on TV and live at the Sydney match, I feel like he loses his opponent too often. Unfortunately it often means his opponent is left in the clear and other teams have much better skills at hitting their forward targets. It was particularly noticeable in the Sydney game. It was Franklin after all, but it still gave him some easy pickings.
I wont dispute Rowe's willingness and effort, just his reading of the play and his opponent at times.
 

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #72 –
Quote from: DJC on
True, but 12 disposals in the second half isn't bad.  It would have been good if he'd nailed a couple of his shots at goal.

3 points from memory, if he kicks two of them he's BOG by a street.
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