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Reply #1020 –
Quote from: crashlander on
This test will probably be remembered for what happened to Bairstow, but it really shouldn't.
I've heard on radio there is already footage circulating of Bairstow trying the very same thing be it unsuccessfully, but of course there is, Carey's actions are a pure keepers dismissal, a stumping, was always a stumping, and will always be a stumping! The fact Carey hit the stumps from 15m back makes little or no difference, you don't have to stand at the stumps to make a stumping.

The Poms should be careful of what they ask for!

PS; Apparently Bairstow tried the very same thing earlier in the test, of course he did it's a stumping!
Our 2nd Innings, Australia 79-1, Bairstow tries to stump Labuschagne off Anderson's bowling.
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Reply #1021 –
Thoughts on the ‘spirit of the game’ commentary coming from the English team and coach?

Personally find that laughable, considering how they have played the game.

If I were an England supporter I’d be embarrassed by the behaviour of the team, the crying foul by the team now, the crown behaviour and in particular the members’ behaviour.

They said we should’ve withdrawn our appeal.

Did they not see that brilliant catch by Starc, that was deemed not so by the third umpire. When clearly - in the spirit of the game - that was a catch! They should’ve overturned the third umpires call then.

Poor sportsmanship by them and I have no sympathy at all.

Had they said fair enough Bairstow should and does know better, the Aussies just stayed switched on more than we did - I would respect them. 

As for the members’ behaviour, completely embarrassing and makes you think that privilege of standing in that area in such close proximity to the teams, should be revoked! Not often I’m leaving my workplace for lunch and getting abused by people on my way out!!!

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Reply #1022 –
Quote from: Micky0 on
Thoughts on the ‘spirit of the game’ commentary coming from the English team and coach?
Personally find that laughable, considering how they have played the game.

If I were an England supporter I’d be embarrassed by the behaviour of the team, the crying foul by the team now, the crown behaviour and in particular the members’ behaviour.

They said we should’ve withdrawn our appeal.

Did they not see that brilliant catch by Starc, that was deemed not so by the third umpire. When clearly - in the spirit of the game - that was a catch! They should’ve overturned the third umpires call then.

Poor sportsmanship by them and I have no sympathy at all.

Had they said fair enough Bairstow should and does know better, the Aussies just stayed switched on more than we did - I would respect them. 

As for the members’ behaviour, completely embarrassing and makes you think that privilege of standing in that area in such close proximity to the teams, should be revoked! Not often I’m leaving my workplace for lunch and getting abused by people on my way out!!!
Spot on Micky. F em sideways

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Reply #1023 –
https://7news.com.au/sport/cricket/england-hypocrisy-revealed-as-telling-angle-on-alex-careys-stumping-of-jonny-bairstow-shows-full-story-c-11158873

Yes, Bairstow tried it on Marnus.  Brendan got Murali.  If a keeper can't do that, then stumpings are gone.  Carey let go of the ball the moment he got it - he didn't wait for Bairstow to go out of his crease.

The more I see Starc's catch, the more I kind of get why it wasn't given out.

Whingeing sore losers (like the previous test that they felt they won.).  I haven't always liked the Australian test sides, but this English one is revolting.

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Reply #1024 –
I get Bairstow was out but I agree with Brad Hogg that it's not a good look and I wouldn't have done what Carey did without warning the batsman first in a Mankad fashion.
Bairstow wasn't attempting a run and had remarked his guard and yep he was out officially but now it's just going to open the doors for all teams to try that stuff on and like the bouncer war it was us initiating it then the English going overboard and now they will be desperate to Mankad/Carey our blokes back and it just makes for poor unattractive cricket. It could have cost us the game too as Stokes and Broad really hardened their resolve and involved the crowd. I reckon if Carey had his time over he would have done it differently.
The Starc catch was a poor 3rd umpiring decision, Duckett had walked off .
That law about the ball in the ground when landing needs changing, it was a clean catch and he was only supporting his body landing on the ground.
Right result though in this game and makes for a fiery 3rd test.....

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Reply #1025 –
EB1 - so do you think that Bairstow would have given Marnus a warning had he hit the stumps and was out of his crease?  (moot point as it didn't happen).  Or that was a bad look for the game?  Carey let go of the ball before Bairstow had left his crease - he didn't wait for him to leave and then trhow it.

My concern is that in park cricket this is tried 10 times on a Saturday afternoon.  Haven't seen it work yet.  This will only encourage the keepers and that will double to 20 times!

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Reply #1026 –
Quote from: dodge on
EB1 - so do you think that Bairstow would have given Marnus a warning had he hit the stumps and was out of his crease?  (moot point as it didn't happen).  Or that was a bad look for the game?  Carey let go of the ball before Bairstow had left his crease - he didn't wait for him to leave and then trhow it.

My concern is that in park cricket this is tried 10 times on a Saturday afternoon.  Haven't seen it work yet.  This will only encourage the keepers and that will double to 20 times!
Dodge, No ..Bairstow is a bit of a dick and I'm not a real fan of his demeanour and McCullum has done stuff similar in the past trying to get batsmen out. I just want us to be better than the English and be seen as sporting and keeping within the spirit of the game.
No need to sink to their level ....I have no problem with Carey warning then stumping a batsman who continues to offend or any of our bowlers Mankadding a batsman who keeps trying to steal ground when the bowler approaches the crease after they have been warned. Starc has done this in the past and it was all fair imo ..

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Reply #1027 –
I think we have differing views on this one, EB!

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Reply #1029 –
Spirit of the game? Turn it up. As old mate Chop Chop once said, "whinge farken whinge", the English keeper and Coach have very short and selected memories it seems. No one from the mother land was prepared to talk spirit of the game trumping rules when that disgraceful decision was given against Starc. Cop your medicine and suck it up.
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Reply #1030 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Spirit of the game? Turn it up. As old mate Chop Chop once said, "whinge farken whinge", the English keeper and Coach have very short and selected memories it seems. No one from the mother land was prepared to talk spirit of the game trumping rules when that disgraceful decision was given against Starc. Cop your medicine and suck it up.
That was the umpiring though...not the batsman, Duckett had accepted he was caught and walked off.......I just dont want to be in the same gutter as the English or McCullum.
 

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Reply #1031 –
A lot of people may not be familiar with the rules that apply to Starc's catch. Whilst it is rather technical, the correct call was made even though it did crap me accordingly.

I took a catch in a match a few years ago back-pedalling to keep my eyes on the aggot, as the ball went into my hands, my momentum made me fall backwards onto my butt, I put my hands down on the ground to brace the fall, the ball still in my hand palm-down. There were calls of 'not out' from the opposition on the sidelines. The player umpire gave it out even though the rest of his team were shat off with him.

On returning to the pub after the match, I quizzed one of the guys who had just completed the umpires course and he explained why it should have been given 'not out'.

However, on the flipside, Bairstow's dismissal was completely in the rules as the umpire had not called 'over' so the game was not "dead". Besides, Carey took the ball and immediately threw it at the stumps, its not like he waited in hope for the opportunity.

The icing on the cake is that Bairstow has tried the same tactic on numerous occassions in this series already but because he is a crap throw, he has missed the stumps each time.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-colin-de-grandhommes-day-to-forget-as-england-inch-closer-to-test-win-at-lords/3JHHO43SJUKCTWOA365C6TOBWY/?fbclid=IwAR2dNtWTHJoBsRdnUOTMFWPHKdTxlNbXPsw3eVW4BgyNpDTgKYFt19WAzLM

The Poms furore is mainly for the sole purpose of deflecting on the fact they are 2-0 down in the series because their new "Bazzball" tactics have failed dismally. 

The term "whinging Pom" has risen again and for damn good reason.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

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Reply #1032 –
If England were truely concerned about the spirit of the game  we would have seen Stokes call out Bairstow immediately after his attempt to stump Marnus earlier in the game.  Fat chance of that ever happening. 

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Reply #1033 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
That was the umpiring though...not the batsman, Duckett had accepted he was caught and walked off.......I just dont want to be in the same gutter as the English or McCullum.
Didnt the match ref give Bairstow out?
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Reply #1034 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Didnt the match ref give Bairstow out?
Went to the third umpire for review as it was a stumping, replayed ....out of his ground, no umpire had called dead ball, given out on the big screen at the ground was my memory of how it went down.
Stokes talked to the umpires but seemed to accept the decision all be it not happy so I dont think the match ref was involved? unless the umps spoke to him at the time via their radio comms?