NORTHERN BLUES v. CASEY DEMONS
Round 5 - 14/05/2017
02:00
Preston City Oval
Northern Blues
B: 47. C. Sheehan, 48. K. Jaksch, 7. D. Buckley
HB: 13. C. O'Shea, 34. H. Macreadie, 49. D. Armfield
C: 51. J. Lamb, 72. S. Kerridge, 62. B. Boekhorst
HF: 42. J. Pickett, 50. D. Gorringe, 8. L. Russell
F: 55. L. Sumner, 14. L. Jones, 67. C. Polson
R: 15. A. Phillips, 60. D. Cuningham, 1. T. Wilson
Int: 80. M. Korcheck, 76. K. LeBois, 4. S. Russell, 35. M. Stavrou, 6. G. Strachan, 31. P. Kerr, 56. A. Gallucci, 20. D. Stevens
23P: 25. K. Keppel
Lots of Carlton in this side. Pity that Harry McKay was rested and Palmer appears to be injured.
Casey Demons
B: 69. B. Kennedy, 1. J. Hutchins, 41. M. White
HB: 5. D. Collis, 45. D. Keilty, 64. A. Brayshaw
C: 43. J. Harmes, 15. B. Stretch, 54. J. Trengove
HF: 30. A. Neal-Bullen, 24. J. Moncrieff, 55. L. Hulett
F: 27. A. Scott, 26. S. Weideman, 37. D. Johnstone
R: 34. M. King, 57. J. Kennedy-Harris, 9. M. Gent
Int: 75. S. Dwyer, 31. T. Baker, 35. A. Ferreira, 17. E. Morris, 18. B. Hillard, 2. B. Fritsch, 51. B. Giobbi, 13. J. Munro
23P: 8. T. Vander Haar
In all honest, and I know they've had their injuries, guys like Gorringe, Lamb and Sumner would want to show something soon!
Good to see Lebois in. Excited by what he can bring.
Where's Harry McKay? Rested?
NORTHERN BLUES v. CASEY DEMONS
Round 5 - 14/05/2017
11:00
Preston City Oval
Northern Blues
B: 39. A. Kur, 18. B. Jordan, 22. C. McCabe
HB: 4. S. Russell, 41. S. Glover, 6. G. Strachan
C: 3. K. Declase, 21. C. Barrett, 23. C. Adams
HF: 31. P. Kerr, 17. S. Peet, 57. F. Pearce
F: 76. K. LeBois, 29. B. Casley, 56. A. Gallucci
R: 27. A. Milham, 35. M. Stavrou, 20. D. Stevens
Int: 53. H. Payne, 33. M. Dawson, 16. J. Thorpe, 28. J. Collins, 46. J. Bradley, 64. L. Collins, 9. J. Corboy, 30. S. Bolger, 78. M. Walson, 44. W. Krithararis
Casey Demons
B: 75. S. Dwyer, 58. G. Nyuon, 66. P. Lewis-Smith
HB: 22. G. Lok, 31. T. Baker, 16. J. Gains
C: 25. D. Gordon, 17. E. Morris, 51. B. Giobbi
HF: 21. J. Kingi, 61. L. Hiscock, 36. D. Johnston
F: 47. L. Filipovic, 20. N. Gardiner, 32. J. Briggs
R: 72. M. Lefau, 46. D. Johnston, 3. C. Ambler
Int: 62. L. Gill-Renouf, 23. M. Cox, 12. J. Lovett, 39. J. Di Pasquale, 4. J. Freeman, 53. W. Collis, 81. K. Dickson, 49. N. Foote, 10. A. Cotte, 33. C. MacHaya, 68. E. East, 80. D. Allsop
In all honest, and I know they've had their injuries, guys like Gorringe, Lamb and Sumner would want to show something soon!
Good to see Lebois in. Excited by what he can bring.
Where's Harry McKay? Rested?
Indeed. There is expected to be a 3rd clesn-out at the end of the season, so under-performers must show enough to remain. We simply don't have the guys that need to be broomed out that we did when Bolton arrived. So now, it is perform or perish.
Indeed. There is expected to be a 3rd clesn-out at the end of the season, so under-performers must show enough to remain. We simply don't have the guys that need to be broomed out that we did when Bolton arrived. So now, it is perform or perish.
Exactly crash. Really all about performance now.
Others in the same boat include - Armfield, Boekhorst, Jaksch, Jones, Kerridge, Graham, Buckley and rookies Gallucci and Sheehan. Talent is there, but another piece might be their bodies. If they can't get on the park each week, and perform, then that will also be taken into account IMO.
FWIW, I'm really liking Liam Jones form and output at the moment. Let's see how he goes for the remainder of the year, indeed the others listed above also.
Exactly crash. Really all about performance now.
Others in the same boat include - Armfield, Boekhorst, Jaksch, Jones, Kerridge, Graham, Buckley and rookies Gallucci and Sheehan. Talent is there, but another piece might be their bodies. If they can't get on the park each week, and perform, then that will also be taken into account IMO.
FWIW, I'm really liking Liam Jones form and output at the moment. Let's see how he goes for the remainder of the year, indeed the others listed above also.
Like you, I have been impressed with Jones. In 2015 I could not possibly considered writing that. He was an embarassment. Not now. He is very unlucky not to be n the side. In fact, last year or the year before, had he played like he has this season he would be among the 1st picked for the seniors.
I think this will be Armfield's last season. He appears to be headed towards coaching. I think he would be a good one.
Sheahan: if he can actually get through a few VFL games he'll be given a senior game. His kicking from defence and smarts will be tested at senior level.
Who is getting down and watching a lot of 2s this year?
I just watched a couple of videos and much say, really really impressed with McKay.
He looks like a young Josh Kennedy in the way he leaps, gets hands to the ball high and looks to be a one touch mark.
How is he going generally? Is he close to getting a call up?
I just got very bloody excited by the small amounts I seen
Billie Smedts missing from the VFL team also.
Like you, I have been impressed with Jones. In 2015 I could not possibly considered writing that. He was an embarassment. Not now. He is very unlucky not to be n the side. In fact, last year or the year before, had he played like he has this season he would be among the 1st picked for the seniors.
I think this will be Armfield's last season. He appears to be headed towards coaching. I think he would be a good one.
Sheahan: if he can actually get through a few VFL games he'll be given a senior game. His kicking from defence and smarts will be tested at senior level.
It really is a wait and see scenario, but these guys will have to be looking ahead to the second half of the season to show their worth. Gorringe is probably/possibly the safest as talls that are athletic we dont have a large supply of and we only have 2 recognised ruckmen. id be wanting to test Liam Jones at AFL level soon to see how he goes in that role, because he looks better than Gorringe and might be more up to it.
Armfield will not wear a 1st 18 jumper again. Just a harsh reality....has been superseded by too many others. But he got the best out of his ability. McKay, having seen a few seconds games, is the 'slowly, slowly' player. He desperately needs another full preseason to perform the role we require. Give him a couple of cameos in 2017, but nothing more than that. Dont do a Darcy Moore on the kid if we don't have to. Build body and confidence!!
Armfield will not wear a 1st 18 jumper again. Just a harsh reality....has been superseded by too many others. But he got the best out of his ability. McKay, having seen a few seconds games, is the 'slowly, slowly' player. He desperately needs another full preseason to perform the role we require. Give him a couple of cameos in 2017, but nothing more than that. Dont do a Darcy Moore on the kid if we don't have to. Build body and confidence!!
Wouldn't give up on Armfield for 2017 yet, but the writing is on the wall longer term.
Agree about McKay, slowly slowly is my preferred option, Carlton have cooked too many talls through desperation and over-exuberance. For this reason I'd love to see Jones and Jaksch getting some last chance options, they are more than useful to bridge a gap while McKay gets his AFL body.
Armfield will not wear a 1st 18 jumper again. Just a harsh reality....has been superseded by too many others. But he got the best out of his ability. McKay, having seen a few seconds games, is the 'slowly, slowly' player. He desperately needs another full preseason to perform the role we require. Give him a couple of cameos in 2017, but nothing more than that. Dont do a Darcy Moore on the kid if we don't have to. Build body and confidence!!
Cheers for the info on Harry
With regards to patience with him, I have absolutely no need to see him rushed at all.
Whilst great to get a glimpse of him, if he isn't ready he isn't ready and always believed young talls need time to develop.
For me I was just very excited by a few snippets (which is always dangerous) and interested on whether that reflects how he does play.
Because if it does, we might for the first time look like we are going to have our major KP roles filled, especially if Ben is as good as early reports have suggested he would be
Wouldn't give up on Armfield for 2017 yet, but the writing is on the wall longer term.
Agree about McKay, slowly slowly is my preferred option, Carlton have cooked too many talls through desperation and over-exuberance. For this reason I'd love to see Jones and Jaksch getting some last chance options, they are more than useful to bridge a gap while McKay gets his AFL body.
I think hes done LP.
He might get a Andrew Walker match later in the year, but his body is succumbing to injury and stick a fork in him at AFL level.
We need to acid test a few players in the second half of the season, and I wouldn't want to do it with more than one or two per match meaning he is effectively finished, and like townsendcalling has mentioned, his next match is likely to be his last one for the Navy Blue seniors, which is a pity but its where we are at as a football club.
I like Army. He is a good clubman, loves the place, and is generally a positive influence at our footy club, and I would absolutely love the idea of the Northern Blues having Armfield run around for them next season, whilst we mentor him into a coaching role post AFL.
I think hes done LP.
He might get a Andrew Walker match later in the year, but his body is succumbing to injury and stick a fork in him at AFL level.
We need to acid test a few players in the second half of the season, and I wouldn't want to do it with more than one or two per match meaning he is effectively finished, and like townsendcalling has mentioned, his next match is likely to be his last one for the Navy Blue seniors, which is a pity but its where we are at as a football club.
I like Army. He is a good clubman, loves the place, and is generally a positive influence at our footy club, and I would absolutely love the idea of the Northern Blues having Armfield run around for them next season, whilst we mentor him into a coaching role post AFL.
I think when the club thinks he's done he'll pull the pin, reports had him pulling the pin after last season but allegedly the club asked him to go around one more time to his surprise.
Having said that, I think there is room for one of the likes of Daisy and Armfield, and sentiment or bias should not come into the decision making process. At the moment you'd say Daisy has him covered if Daisy can stay fit!
I think a bigger worry for the club is why we aren't confident in saying that the likes of Lamb and Sumner have gone past him! Lamb was excluding the 2010 GWS / GC bonanza effectively a 1st Rnd draft pick!
I think when the club thinks he's done he'll pull the pin, reports had him pulling the pin after last season but allegedly the club asked him to go around one more time to his surprise.
Having said that, I think there is room for one of the likes of Daisy and Armfield, and sentiment or bias should not come into the decision making process. At the moment you'd say Daisy has him covered if Daisy can stay fit!
I think a bigger worry for the club is why we aren't confident in saying that the likes of Lamb and Sumner have gone past him! Lamb was excluding the 2010 GWS / GC bonanza effectively a 1st Rnd draft pick!
I think you might have a point here regarding Armfield pulling the pin, and I also think you are right in this being a bigger issue for the club, but these blokes were calculated trading gambles that havent paid off, and to the clubs credit, rather than worrying about it, they are just pulling up the sleeves, and moving on.
Lamb has shown some consistency, but I cant really make a case for any of them to be with us again next season on history or current form. Matthew Wright has pushed all 3 out of the lineup, and moving forward, id rather we persist with Pickett in this role.
Depending on list management, if we kept one, id probably go with Sumner based on talent, Lamb based on consistency and actual output (I think he averages a goal a game for our seniors) and Armfield based on what he used to bring to the table. If he is under any duress, then he might survive but i doubt it. Using the once bitten twice shy approach, Lamb survives out of those three, but not by much a good match by any of them could tip the tide back in their favour.
I think Kym Lebois might be a decent forward pocket goalsneak when fit and firing, the other bloke I like is Liam Ryan from Subiaco, cant believe he hasnt been drafted unless he has a preference for staying in WA...
Lamb and Sumner are both delist candidates...I prefer Sumner as he has courage, pace and can tackle well but he cant stay on the park and just doesnt get enough ball...shame because he has talent..
I think Kym Lebois might be a decent forward pocket goalsneak when fit and firing, the other bloke I like is Liam Ryan from Subiaco, cant believe he hasnt been drafted unless he has a preference for staying in WA...
Lamb and Sumner are both delist candidates...I prefer Sumner as he has courage, pace and can tackle well but he cant stay on the park and just doesnt get enough ball...shame because he has talent..
Agree with all that, wish Sumner could get a good run of injury free footy, as you say, has talent and pace to burn.
Looking at the team, all but maybe 3 have had a go in the seniors :o
Been awhile since we can look at the Reserves and have a choice of players to fill spots in the 1's.
Good work Blues
Agree with all that, wish Sumner could get a good run of injury free footy, as you say, has talent and pace to burn.
I just can't see it. Sumner reminds me of Dylan Buckley but without the attitude and big kicking.
I hope he proves me wrong but I think he's been left behind.
I just can't see it. Sumner reminds me of Dylan Buckley but without the attitude and big kicking.
I hope he proves me wrong but I think he's been left behind.
A bugger alright. Most certainly signals our rebuilt is on track at worst. Flying sensational at best.
I just can't see it. Sumner reminds me of Dylan Buckley but without the attitude and big kicking.
I hope he proves me wrong but I think he's been left behind.
When Sumner is on he's a better footballer than Buckley, but I'm not sure either has a long term future based on current form.
We would all love the romance of young Buckley getting stuck in for the Blues, but the chances grow slimmer day by day!
When Sumner is on he's a better footballer than Buckley, but I'm not sure either has a long term future based on current form.
We would all love the romance of young Buckley getting stuck in for the Blues, but the chances grow slimmer day by day!
Very interesting times for mc.
Giving the ??blokes a final chance v getting games into our future stars.
Not easy but exactly where our club needs to be.
When Sumner is on he's a better footballer than Buckley, but I'm not sure either has a long term future based on current form.
We would all love the romance of young Buckley getting stuck in for the Blues, but the chances grow slimmer day by day!
Has Sumner ever been on though LP? He looks OK in cameo appearances then becomes the invisible man. Buckley doesn't do nearly enough to justify a first 22 spot but that's not through lack of effort.
Some folk reckon Sumner's inability to get the pill is down to interrupted pre-seasons but I'm not sure that excuse is valid for a bloke in his sixth season on an AFL list. As I said before, I hope he proves me wrong but his career prospects aren't looking too bright.
Army will pull the plug at the end of the year.
I would hope that he continues with the NBs.
Buckley, Sumner and Lamb will all be axed. Just not quite good enough.
Army will pull the plug at the end of the year.
I would hope that he continues with the NBs.
Buckley, Sumner and Lamb will all be axed. Just not quite good enough.
I would like to see Army continue in a playing/development role at the NBs.
Game is live streamed 2pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMncze0kq28#action=share
Don't be surprised if McKay is being rested as he has been pencilled in for his first game next week in the seniors.
Hes a top 10 pick and needs to get a decent run in the firsts imo soon to see how he fares. With the bye round in 3 weeks time makes sense to play him for 2 weeks leading up to it and then gets a rest.
Then again what do I know.
Don't be surprised if McKay is being rested as he has been pencilled in for his first game next week in the seniors.
Hes a top 10 pick and needs to get a decent run in the firsts imo soon to see how he fares. With the bye round in 3 weeks time makes sense to play him for 2 weeks leading up to it and then gets a rest.
Then again what do I know.
IMHO, it would be an awful mistake to bring a 1st year player into the 1s off a rest. Just as it was an awful mistake to play Fisher in the 1s first week back after an injury lay-off!
I have no problem doing this with typical experienced players, but 1st years and beginners do not have the muscle memory yet to switch on from cold and should only come in off the back of a good game!
Match fitness and form is good fitness and form!
Not an expert, but the lack of enthusiasm, and a clear front runner out of Sumner, Lamb and Buckley does make it seem like more than one decent game ( possibly against weaker or cue-in-the-rack opposition ) would be required to retain a player who have not shown they can be consistent contributors at senior level.
There would still seem to be a spot for a really good shutdown back pocket, and reports have mentioned Buckley playing in the back-line, so maybe of the three Buckley may be retained as a "squad/depth" player.
Good to see the Bullants are at least competitive this year.
Game is live streamed 2pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMncze0kq28#action=share
Thank you, Spotted One. Phew, I was getting ready for the journey in (1 hr drive, or just over 1 1/2 hours by train). So now, pies in the oven, computer next to the TV, HDMI cable and away we go... Must keep a better eye on the VFL website. :)
Thank you, Spotted One. Phew, I was getting ready for the journey in (1 hr drive, or just over 1 1/2 hours by train). So now, pies in the oven, computer next to the TV, HDMI cable and away we go... Must keep a better eye on the VFL website. :)
Good idea Baggers. Just realised there's a Youtube app on Apple TV - might give that a shot.
https://youtu.be/kMncze0kq28
Apologies. Didn't see existing link. Enjoy bluebaggers.
Go NB's
Good idea Baggers. Just realised there's a Youtube app on Apple TV - might give that a shot.
Nope, it's been nobbled on there - working fine on the laptop.
Good to see Picket behind the ball where he played in his under 18 days and the reason why he was a top 5 pick.
Quarter time. NBs 3.4.22. Casey 0.1.1
Liked the efforts from (not in order) Jones, Picket, Sumner, Kerr, Boekhorst (probably our best in the first qtr), Polson, Macreadie. Jaksch providing good contests up forward. Gallucci good defensive stuff. Sorry, but Cuningham ordinary... failed tackle, failed to contest on two occasion but did get a free and deliver nicely to Pickett (he's wearing guernsey 16-Cuningham that is).
Kerridge deserves an honourable mention too..
Nope, it's been nobbled on there - working fine on the laptop.
I'm watching it on AppleTV no problems.
Great foot skills early, efficiency must have been high in the 1st Qtr.
Intensity is good, pressures acts a plenty have us in the lead.
Agree Boekhorst was best in 1st Qtr, pity he rolled an ankle.
Sheehan and Jones good setting up a kick behind.
Half Time... NBs 7.9.51. Casey 1.6.12.
Casey challenged early in that second qtr but we weathered the storm then took control of the game again. Cuningham better in that qtr... most CFC listed boys were serviceable or better that qtr. Gus got into the game that qtr and looked good in defense. Phillips serviceable. Buckley providing good run off the backline.
GOALS: Jaksch 2, Sumner 2, Armfield, LeBois, Wilson
DISPOSALS: Kerridge 15, Boekhorst 12, O'Shea 11, Wilson 11, Buckley 10, Pickett 9, Cuningham 9
I'm watching it on AppleTV no problems.
Got it now OK.
AFL Vic Development League 2017
Northern Blues 1.5 3.6 6.8 10.11 (71)
Casey Demons 3.1 3.6 7.9 7.12 (54)
GOALS:
Northern Blues: Corboy 3 Walson Collins Milham Payne Casley Strachan Peet
Casey Demons: Foote 2 Gardiner Cotte Nyuon Di Pasquale MacHaya
BEST:
Northern Blues: Stevens Strachan Milham Declase Glover Corboy
Casey Demons: Hiscock MacHaya Johnston Collis Ambler Lewis-Smith
DISPOSALS: Stevens 32, Strachan 23, Krithararis 23, Stavrou 18, Declase 18, Barrett 17
Round 12 – Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne – Saturday 8th July – Preston City Oval – now a 2.10PM start (previously 2.00PM)
Round 13 – Essendon vs Northern Blues – Saturday 15th July – Windy Hill – now a 2.10PM start (previously 12.00PM)
Our next 2 TV games.
3 quick goals in the 3rd term; one to Jaksch, one to Sumner and one to Polson.
Apparently Sumner has impressed. But his stats still can't be that good.
Another goal to Jaksch and to Polson.
We are 59 points up, and they have scored 1 goal for the day.
We get a couple more points, but Casey get their 2nd goal. :(
3-4 time.
blues by 65.
Indeed.
NBs 12 - 12 - 84
Casey 2 - 7 - 19
I find it very surprising, even though Casey have not been really good in the last few weeks. This side was just so good last year.
Three qtr time. NBs 12.12.84 ...Casey 2.7.19
Complete effort from the boys.
Blokes putting their hands up for senior selection: Boekhorst, Jones, Jaksch, Buckley, Gus... many honourable mentions.
Le Bois blowing out the cobwebs and got more involved in that qtr. Lamb and Sumner good that qtr. Polson more than handy. Cuningham made a few impressive guest appearances but not ahead of Polson or Boekhorst.
Just so good to see the NBs playing smart and with authority. And maintaining concentration. Den Den leading well, if he should hang up his senior boots, love to see him Skipper the NBs...
GOALS: Jaksch 4, Sumner 3, Polson 2, Armfield, LeBois, Wilson.
DISPOSALS: Kerridge 20, Boekhorst 18, Armfield 18, Keppel 18, O'Shea 17, Buckley 17, Wilson 16.
Wow. We look really well drilled. Our pressure is a standout. Kerr marking with class.
Wow. We look really well drilled. Our pressure is a standout. Kerr marking with class.
It is a bit easier with Casey playing like a rabble, but you can only beat what is put before you.
Jaksch has his 5th goal.
It appears that Casey are putting in a bit more: 2 goals to them this quarter.
For those who couldn't watch the game... a few observations and thoughts:
Final. NBs 14.14.98 Casey 6.7.43
Better players for us (CFC listed):
Boekhorst, Macreadie, Jones, Buckley, Pickett, Sheehan and Polson - these were the blokes going in hard and working hard when the heat was on.
Deserve a mention as solid or better contributors:
Jaksch, Kerr, Phillips, Lamb, Sumner, Cuningham (once the heat went out of the game he did better), Korcheck, Gallucci, Kerridge (his disposal let's him down)
Rusty but hopefully better for the run:
Gorringe and Le Bois.
We relaxed a little in the final term kicking 2.2 to 4 straight.
Love to see Jones get a gig in the firsts... he's a bloody ripper down back.
Pickett looks better further up the field. Faded a little.
Gus is back. Reliable left footer. Hopefully gets a gig before the year is out.
Boekhorst should be BOG, best game I've seen from him.
I saw most of it thanks to LP's link, Baggers covered most of what I saw but Korchek impressed me.
He's still very raw but he times his jump well and knows how to use his body, he's not a real long shot in my opinion.
I saw most of it thanks to LP's link, Baggers covered most of what I saw but Korchek impressed me.
He's still very raw but he times his jump well and knows how to use his body, he's not a real long shot in my opinion.
A mile ahead of Mason Cox.
Northern Blues are a really good team with good depth and will play finals this year.
A mile ahead of Mason Cox.
Looks more of a natural footballer to me than Cox does.
Northern Blues are a really good team with good depth and will play finals this year.
Hope you're right pinot.
Certainly much improved from last year from the little I've seen.
Much in common with the 1's. More organized, intense, pressure acts, and dare I say it, skilled.
A lot to like.
Thought Sumner, KJ, BB, and Jones were great today. Kerr, Cunners, Sheehan, and Pickett building too.
NB's rise up the ladder was one of my criteria for success this year. Definitely heading in the right direction. Keep it coming.
Trick will be the senior listed fringe dwellers such as KJ, Jones, Buckley etc and whether or not they are as motivated later in the year.
A whole lotta right going on down at the club these days. We now have genuine choice, not all quality but plenty of guys putting their hands up
Sumner in particular showing form could be important. He's got some pace and is at an age where he should be ready to go.
Trick will be the senior listed fringe dwellers such as KJ, Jones, Buckley etc and whether or not they are as motivated later in the year.
A whole lotta right going on down at the club these days. We now have genuine choice, not all quality but plenty of guys putting their hands up
As their Carlton career finishes, it would be in their best interest to continue performing to as a high a level as possible in order to get another opportunity elsewhere so they shouldnt really drop off from here.
Still early in the VFL season, but...
This is the best NBs side I've seen since the David Teague days. What stood out from the get-go yesterday was the attitude, focus, consistency/persistence and cohesion. Though that final quarter mini fade out will give Josh some amo.
So good to see Sumner and Lamb get some form back. Their best will put plenty of pressure on some senior blokes and very importantly, if anyone goes down, they'll be cherry ripe to step in, along with Macreadie, Polson and Pickett who continue with their strong development. Boekhorst elevated himself to this level as well... deserving call-up attention.
Disappointed with the highly talented Cuningham again. When the heat was on early he was the invisible man but once his team mates had done all the hard work, he chimed in to show us his considerable talent. All between the ears.
Liam Jones is stating such a strong case for senior selection, especially in defense but unfortunately that's about the only place we are well covered or could we do better? Someone goes down and in comes Macreadie first and foremost. Sheesh, you'd have to be tempted to give Jones a gig ahead of White (who I like and think is doing that really hard bodied job, but with ACOS down back now we're a little lop-sided and Jones just might give that bit of speed that white can't - makes ACOS and Jones the two closing speed rippers). At very worst, if Jones' papers are stamped, if he plays some good senior footy down back there'd be plenty of other sides who'd be interested - 3rd rounder maybe. This philosophy could also apply to Buckley and Boekhorst who could get some senior action and establish some tradeability in the process (along with Jaksch and Gussy?).
Best game I've seen from Boekhorst in that he took real responsibility, especially in the early heat, and chased and linked up really well. Looked a bona fide leader out there.
Kerridge was so important in the win as well, though his disposal is still such a worry.
@ Baggers
I never thought I would say this, but I'd be sorry to see Jones go now. He looked great in defence yesterday.
Still early in the VFL season, but...
This is the best NBs side I've seen since the David Teague days. What stood out from the get-go yesterday was the attitude, focus, consistency/persistence and cohesion. Though that final quarter mini fade out will give Josh some amo.
So good to see Sumner and Lamb get some form back. Their best will put plenty of pressure on some senior blokes and very importantly, if anyone goes down, they'll be cherry ripe to step in, along with Macreadie, Polson and Pickett who continue with their strong development. Boekhorst elevated himself to this level as well... deserving call-up attention.
Disappointed with the highly talented Cuningham again. When the heat was on early he was the invisible man but once his team mates had done all the hard work, he chimed in to show us his considerable talent. All between the ears.
Liam Jones is stating such a strong case for senior selection, especially in defense but unfortunately that's about the only place we are well covered or could we do better? Someone goes down and in comes Macreadie first and foremost. Sheesh, you'd have to be tempted to give Jones a gig ahead of White (who I like and think is doing that really hard bodied job, but with ACOS down back now we're a little lop-sided and Jones just might give that bit of speed that white can't - makes ACOS and Jones the two closing speed rippers). At very worst, if Jones' papers are stamped, if he plays some good senior footy down back there'd be plenty of other sides who'd be interested - 3rd rounder maybe. This philosophy could also apply to Buckley and Boekhorst who could get some senior action and establish some tradeability in the process (along with Jaksch and Gussy?).
Best game I've seen from Boekhorst in that he took real responsibility, especially in the early heat, and chased and linked up really well. Looked a bona fide leader out there.
Kerridge was so important in the win as well, though his disposal is still such a worry.
Who's 1st in line for a call up as a Key Forward.... Mckay, Jaksch or Kerr ? surely one of them has to come in for a taste soon ?
Who's 1st in line for a call up as a Key Forward.... Mckay, Jaksch or Kerr ? surely one of them has to come in for a taste soon ?
Now that's a great question. Both our big forwards against the Aints failed in creating scoreboard hurt. But was it their fault? Sheesh, the aggott didn't get in there too often but when it did Meat and Weits never looked like they were going to assert any real authority. We must get more inside 50s with quality delivery... but we're playing this balancing act of blooding newbies v playing experienced bodies. It's almost winning v development. I reckon this will be the last year that the supporters will tolerate newbie excuses/honourable losses... 'put up a good fight' etc...
To try and answer your question from my humble lounge chair, IF the ball was being delivered better I think Weits would be doing better. Although I acknowledge the improvement in Meat I still reckon he's very tradeable... too soft between the lugholes. Not too many big key forwards have been successful when being so nice, as Meat seems to be.
I wouldn't consider Jaksch... too one dimensional. Yes can take a good mark and generally kicks well and can be swung down back but that catch, punch or kick only stuff went out with granny's button up boots.
McKay didn't play yesterday. Why?
Two junior key forwards, Weits & McKay or Weits & Kerr, would be a worry... especially when they're surrounded by newbies as well like SOJ, Charlie, Samo etc. Personally I'd like to see Rowe and Meat as our key forwards with Weits down back. And with the valued inclusion of ACOS down back we can now do this. Plus Weits looks like he could do with a bit of familiar territory at present. This means McKay/Kerr could come in as the third tall and being gradually blooded. White would be the logical exclusion.
McKay and Palmer were rested.
Stavrou no place for him in the team and he is a nice VFL youngster.
Byrne will likely be close to game time after the VFL bye
Smedts will come in too.....so much talent at VFL
Who's 1st in line for a call up as a Key Forward.... Mckay, Jaksch or Kerr ? surely one of them has to come in for a taste soon ?
The guy I'd be giving a run is Jones, regardless of the end.
(BTW., mids, we seem to have ended up with discussions about this in two threads! See the 2017 AFL Season.)
NBs v Casey game was dominated by our mids, blokes like Kerridge, Boekhorst, Lamb, Sumner were deep running which often left us with numbers at both ends of the ground. Jaksch worked well but more like a tall HFF than a KPF, a couple of his goals were caused by turnovers created by the mids when he was sitting back almost all alone in F50.
Geez, you'd think Cameron O'Shea must be up for a PSD spot if he keeps that form up, he's only 25 he could easily do a Sam Rowe in my opinion.
Also as yet due to injury, we haven't seen Alex Browne who goes OK.
We may not see Alex Browne at all: he has "stepped away from football". Apparently he is trying to get over his depression. :( Hopefully he can get things together. If so, it will be next year.
McKay didn't play yesterday. Why?
Two junior key forwards, Weits & McKay or Weits & Kerr, would be a worry... especially when they're surrounded by newbies as well like SOJ, Charlie, Samo etc. Personally I'd like to see Rowe and Meat as our key forwards with Weits down back. And with the valued inclusion of ACOS down back we can now do this. Plus Weits looks like he could do with a bit of familiar territory at present. This means McKay/Kerr could come in as the third tall and being gradually blooded. White would be the logical exclusion.
I agree it's time for Weitering to go back to defense... going forward hasn't worked as far as I'm concerned.
I think this week would be the perfect time to give a Kerr or a Mckay a taste of the big time... a road trip to Perth would be worth 5 Melbourne games just as an experience and to whet the appetite.
Maybe Mckay was rested before his 1st flight to Perth... that's my tip you heard it here 1st. :D ;)
Now that's a great question. Both our big forwards against the Aints failed in creating scoreboard hurt. But was it their fault? Sheesh, the aggott didn't get in there too often but when it did Meat and Weits never looked like they were going to assert any real authority. We must get more inside 50s with quality delivery... but we're playing this balancing act of blooding newbies v playing experienced bodies. It's almost winning v development. I reckon this will be the last year that the supporters will tolerate newbie excuses/honourable losses... 'put up a good fight' etc...
To try and answer your question from my humble lounge chair, IF the ball was being delivered better I think Weits would be doing better. Although I acknowledge the improvement in Meat I still reckon he's very tradeable... too soft between the lugholes. Not too many big key forwards have been successful when being so nice, as Meat seems to be.
I wouldn't consider Jaksch... too one dimensional. Yes can take a good mark and generally kicks well and can be swung down back but that catch, punch or kick only stuff went out with granny's button up boots.
McKay didn't play yesterday. Why?
Two junior key forwards, Weits & McKay or Weits & Kerr, would be a worry... especially when they're surrounded by newbies as well like SOJ, Charlie, Samo etc. Personally I'd like to see Rowe and Meat as our key forwards with Weits down back. And with the valued inclusion of ACOS down back we can now do this. Plus Weits looks like he could do with a bit of familiar territory at present. This means McKay/Kerr could come in as the third tall and being gradually blooded. White would be the logical exclusion.
Jaksch seems to get plenty of touches and hits the scoreboard. Plays well most weeks. We need to find out what he has before we decide what to do with him. He'll have more forward support than in his only game last year. As for Levi, he won't be traded. He'll either leave as a free agent or stay. Kreuzer and Casboult are a good ruck combo. Like to see Levi concentrate on back up rucking and pick and extra key forward.
I agree it's time for Weitering to go back to defense... going forward hasn't worked as far as I'm concerned.
I think this week would be the perfect time to give a Kerr or a Mckay a taste of the big time... a road trip to Perth would be worth 5 Melbourne games just as an experience and to whet the appetite.
Maybe Mckay was rested before his 1st flight to Perth... that's my tip you heard it here 1st. :D ;)
Weits has lost his spot down back. Nobody in their right mind would muck around with our back 6 at the moment which is the AFLs best.
He either lifts his performance or goes back to the 2s. He's not some sacred cow.
I think weiters will be rested for McKay. Just a hunch and likely to be totally wrong
Weits has lost his spot down back. Nobody in their right mind would muck around with our back 6 at the moment which is the AFLs best.
He either lifts his performance or goes back to the 2s. He's not some sacred cow.
IMO - Sam Rowe and Alex Silvagni are short term options, they will not ( Put Simmo + Simon White in that category too ) play in our next flag... ( will be lucky to be playing when we are a top 8 team )
Jacob Weitering was recruited as a backman and IMO will be our Harry Taylor for the next 10 years so why are we mucking around with him as a forward.. ??
IMO - Sam Rowe and Alex Silvagni are short term options, they will not ( Put Simon White in that category too ) play in our next flag... ( will be lucky to be playing when we are a top 8 team )
You realise all the names you list above are under 30! :o
How long do you think it will take to climb the ladder? ???
You realise all the names you list above are under 30! :o
How long do you think it will take to climb the ladder? ???
I said ... I don't think they will play in our next flag... then added they would be "lucky to be still playing when we are a top 8 team "
I edited and added Simmo to the list as well.... there 4 spots we need to fill in our back six before we can win a flag.........IMO
My "guess " would be looking at top 8 in 19 or 20...... but who knows ?
Next season Weiters will be part of the staple in defence. He is doing better job forward than some of the young forwards going around like Schace and Weidemann.
This is a good learning curve for Weits as this will help him play better as a defender learning to run patterns as a forward. Potentially we will have two high class intercept marks in defence in Marchy and Weits but I would think will play in defence in 2018 after big pre season. But getting games into him as a key forward so young is doing him no harm at all in the long term
Jaksch seems to get plenty of touches and hits the scoreboard. Plays well most weeks. We need to find out what he has before we decide what to do with him. He'll have more forward support than in his only game last year. As for Levi, he won't be traded. He'll either leave as a free agent or stay. Kreuzer and Casboult are a good ruck combo. Like to see Levi concentrate on back up rucking and pick and extra key forward.
Agree about Jaksch. I would definitely like to see him given another try before the final decision is made.
My "guess " would be looking at top 8 in 19 or 20...... but who knows ?
It's a pity, I was hoping BB would work out.
There is no way he'll still be at the club in 3 or 4 years if we aren't top 8 next year.
It's probably sad but it's mostly a reality! :(
Doc, Marchbank, Plowman, Williamson, Byrne... then Rowe, Silvagni, White aren't young but they aren't 34 either.
You can't form the best defence in the afl then immediately pull it apart because they aren't all 18.
We need to worry about getting the mids working as well.
Doc, Marchbank, Plowman, Williamson, Byrne... then Rowe, Silvagni, White aren't young but they aren't 34 either.
You can't form the best defence in the afl then immediately pull it apart because they aren't all 18.
We need to worry about getting the mids working as well.
That is a very good point Jeza, also note the top teams tend to have a defence full of players in the last few years of their career.
Hawthorn have made a habit of finding aging/mature defenders or players and turning them into the cornerstone of a solid defence. In defence I'm not taking this too literally, because I think stoppage setups have a defensive aspect. There is no doubt it's the older blokes that often setup on the defensive side of stoppages which Hawthorn miss most this year! :) They are two old blokes short! ;D
Is Silvagni our first along those lines?
It's an important consideration, seeing what the loss of two experienced players has done to a club like Hawthorn. Yet we apparently have too many and need to cut them now, what will that do to us? :o
Finally, Rowe was a late starter, I have no idea why Lyon wasn't playing Silvagni but Ross is a different sort of cat, White's a year younger again and Simmo looks like he could play another year or two. Over time we'll naturally see Weitering, Plowman, Byrne and Marchbank displace them and the club will bring in more youth but they look good to go for a few years yet.
We may even find Sheehan and Jones making inroads on the defensive side of things, and Lamb and Sumner look a class about the others at VFL level in regards to mids. Form shows our list is not as bad as everybody predicts. The media are saying we'll have another massive list turnover, I suspect not! For me BB is two or three pieces of the puzzle away from having significant options.
It's a pity, I was hoping BB would work out.
There is no way he'll still be at the club in 3 or 4 years if we aren't top 8 next year.
It's probably sad but it's mostly a reality! :(
In my best John McEnroe voice I say..."You cannot be serious"
Are you saying Bolts is in the same position as Buckley ? Finals next year or he's gone ?
Top 8 next year would ne nice but I'm thinking the year after... but like I said... who knows ? ;)
Acos is 30 next month and Rowe is 30 in November... The point I'm trying to get across is Weitering will be / or should be our star backman for the next 10 years .... he should be there now and we should be building it around him... He'd be walking taller with Acos next him instead of getting smashed in the forward line.
In my best John McEnroe voice I say..."You cannot be serious"
Are you saying Bolts is in the same position as Buckley ? Finals next year or he's gone ?
Top 8 next year would ne nice but I'm thinking the year after... but like I said... who knows ? ;)
Acos is 30 next month and Rowe is 30 in November... The point I'm trying to get across is Weitering will be / or should be our star backman for the next 10 years .... he should be there now and we should be building it around him... He'd be walking taller with Acos next him instead of getting smashed in the forward line.
I sense some tongue in cheek .....but I could be wrong.
Agree about Jaksch. I would definitely like to see him given another try before the final decision is made.
He's probably earned it re goals. My concern is how he will do against big blokes his own size, that'll be the test for him... and when the aggot hits the deck. His lack of mobility (except in straight lines) has always worried me but very, very happy to see him get a senior gig. Then we'll know.
In my best John McEnroe voice I say..."You cannot be serious"
Are you saying Bolts is in the same position as Buckley ? Finals next year or he's gone ?
No, Buckley is gone this year if Collingwood miss the eight.
If it's not looking like we are top eight by late next season BB is also in a lot of trouble long term.
There is also world of difference between making the top eight and being serious finals contenders. For BB to confidently retain his job long term we need to be top eight and looking like a serious finals contenders well before 2020. No matter how much you think the club has changed, football isn't that patient. Clarkson was rescued by a miracle, BB will need something similar if our progress is too slow! It's just the way it is, and the coaches accept it.
Acos is 30 next month and Rowe is 30 in November... The point I'm trying to get across is Weitering will be / or should be our star backman for the next 10 years .... he should be there now and we should be building it around him... He'd be walking taller with Acos next him instead of getting smashed in the forward line.
Those guys can easily play to mid 30s if they have the mindset, injury and physical conditioning is no longer the main issue.
Weitering should be playing next to them now, doing what he does best which is intercept marking like Marchbank and Docherty.
You don't have to displace the old guys for Weitering to be in defense, playing on guerrillas like Rowe and ACoS is not Weiterings gig, that makes the old guys very useful!
As I've stated many times before, you don't go forward by offloading guys who can get a game, it's the ones who can't get a game that are the problem! You want to write off a players who so far this season have stitched up Hogan, Franklin, Daniher, Moore, Jack Riewoldt. It was only really the GC game that Lynch got hold of our tall defenders, and the Port talls benefited from a rampant Port midfield.
No, Buckley is gone this year if Collingwood miss the eight.
If it's not looking like we are top eight by late next season BB is also in a lot of trouble long term.
There is also world of difference between making the top eight and being serious finals contenders. For BB to confidently retain his job long term we need to be top eight and looking like a serious finals contenders well before 2020. No matter how much you think the club has changed, football isn't that patient. Clarkson was rescued by a miracle, BB will need something similar if our progress is too slow! It's just the way it is, and the coaches accept it.
Those guys can easily play to mid 30s if they have the mindset, injury and physical conditioning is no longer the main issue.
Weitering should be playing next to them now, doing what he does best which is intercept marking like Marchbank and Docherty.
You don't have to displace the old guys for Weitering to be in defense, playing on guerrillas like Rowe and ACoS is not Weiterings gig, that makes the old guys very useful!
As I've stated many times before, you don't go forward by offloading guys who can get a game, it's the ones who can't get a game that are the problem! You want to write off a players who so far this season have stitched up Hogan, Franklin, Daniher, Moore, Jack Riewoldt. It was only really the GC game that Lynch got hold of our tall defenders, and the Port talls benefited from a rampant Port midfield.
I'm pretty sure Bolton is safe for a few more years before he's under Buckley type pressure to make finals...... next year would be good though.
I didn't say we should offload Rowe and Acos Now ... I said they wouldn't play in our ( unless we perform some sort of miracle ) next flag. I agree Weitering should be down back with those big bodies backing him up for now.
It's a pity, I was hoping BB would work out.
There is no way he'll still be at the club in 3 or 4 years if we aren't top 8 next year.
It's probably sad but it's mostly a reality! :(
We have no idea how slowly or quickly it will happen, but I can forecast the following based on a fair opinion.
If we don't firm into the finals football (top 8 not necessarily 4)/premiership conversation by the end of 2018/19, we wont be in it by the end of 2020 either IMHO because following the KPI's weekly of where we are at, the blokes that are currently doing our heavy lifting will be tapering off in their ability to contribute in those years and the youngsters will either have kicked on and will be pushing them out of the side, or they will be complementing them over the next 2 years meaning we will catapult or stay roughly where we are for the next few years.
We will be a sneaky chance to pinch a flag next year or the year after, but we likely wont really kick on till 2021/2022, following the Hawthorn performance indicator.
They pinched 2008 early, and then had a couple of so so seasons ravaged by some bad luck and injury before spending quite some time at the top, converting 3 into flags. Thats the sort of model we seem to be working towards.
I don't see Bolton being under any real pressure to perform or produce results, because we seem to have a good grasp on where we are at, and where we are going.
Contrary to belief, its not the results you get that should dictate whether you are doing a good job, but how you go about it. Bolton irrespective of what results he has been getting, has been consistent in putting together a framework, where people see reward, recognition, value for their efforts, and also developement of individuals, irrespective of the results being achieved.
In a perfect world, that is enough to show that he is doing the right things. The journey and all the tag lines that come from it, looks like a PR fluff piece, and if we are not going all that well, will be how it will be considered and could easily draw some real criticism, but so long as Bolton just sticks to process, policy and procedure, then we and he will be assured of his job for the next 10 years IMHO. The test of Bolton will be how we and he respond if the processes and policies need review. If he does okay and puts sustainable ideals and methodology in place, its pretty hard to really complain about him IMHO.
He's probably earned it re goals. My concern is how he will do against big blokes his own size, that'll be the test for him... and when the aggot hits the deck. His lack of mobility (except in straight lines) has always worried me but very, very happy to see him get a senior gig. Then we'll know.
Jaksc will do ok rather than starring - all you want him to do is present and present some more... run down the wings and present and take grabs.
In my best John McEnroe voice I say..."You cannot be serious"
Are you saying Bolts is in the same position as Buckley ? Finals next year or he's gone ?
Top 8 next year would ne nice but I'm thinking the year after... but like I said... who knows ? ;)
Acos is 30 next month and Rowe is 30 in November... The point I'm trying to get across is Weitering will be / or should be our star backman for the next 10 years .... he should be there now and we should be building it around him... He'd be walking taller with Acos next him instead of getting smashed in the forward line.
Maybe... but I'd far prefer he was our star FF for the next 10 years.
Macreadie and Marchbank look like our key backs for the next 10 years - we've got a really exciting mix of youngsters to go with the couple of older guys.
Jones, JGM, Jack Silvagni could end up a backman, Jaksch plays back... there are possibilities beyond Weitering. He is showing little spells here and there where he looks like a gun forward in the making. In our forward line it isn't easy (carp delivery) and he is young and keeps copping corkies and it's a lot harder to make it as a key forward. Why give up on it now to insert him into the current high functioning backline? If his form drops give him a week off or some time in the 2s.
Doc, Marchbank, Plowman, Williamson, Byrne... then Rowe, Silvagni, White aren't young but they aren't 34 either.
You can't form the best defence in the afl then immediately pull it apart because they aren't all 18.
We need to worry about getting the mids working as well.
x2..Mids is where we need to build a bigger better group..
Jaksc will do ok rather than starring - all you want him to do is present and present some more... run down the wings and present and take grabs.
Jaksch won't be on our list in 2018. He is not good enough for AFL footy.
Jaksch won't be on our list in 2018. He is not good enough for AFL footy.
We don't know that until we play him. Playing damn good footy in the VFL.