36 point loss !!
36 point loss !!
Not 36 points, a SIX goal drubbing.
pretty fair effort tbh.
carrazzo down, murphy down, no amigo's, intense pressure and we were within 10 points at the final quarter.
That was a bad bad heartless loss.
Disgraceful.
Mm needs to wear some heat for that display.
Half the guys were statues - contributed NOTHING...
bETTS, Yazz, Murphy, Gibbs, Robbo, Armfield, Curnow, etc etc
How the **** can that end up a 40 point loss.......
Small forwards, they had 'em, we didn't.
pretty fair effort tbh.
for 3 qtrs, terrible final qtr. Smashed in every dept, fwll away badly, looked tired and slow.
its going to take years to get this club to contend
makes me sick seeing the tigers leap frog us
The dockers ran faster all night. They put real defensive pressure on us all night. They took better and far more contested marks than our boys. They tackled better. They covered their opponents better giving us no space. They ran through and around us like we were witches hats. If that is what top 4 standard looks like, we better tank and lose all our remaining games to get better picks. the picks we have are not worth anything on tonights performance. We really should have lost by 8 to 10 goals to be honest. Very little to be positive about tonight. Touhy. Like him. That's it. Nothing else.
I am going to repeat my comment, where the f*u*c is our captain? I swear he has been hiding out there all year long. Trade him and Gibbs out asap, and why the hell did we not bring in Warnock for this game against a giant??
we've gotta toughen up and get super fit.
definitely short on expertise in comparison and out coached yet again. dodgy game plan MM, everyone is awake to you now.
too many softies....when you tackle you have to tackle ton hurt....toughen up!!!!!!
pretty fair effort tbh.
for 3 qtrs, terrible final qtr. Smashed in every dept, fwll away badly, looked tired and slow.
Im not particularly suprised that we looked tired...we've basically been playing finals for 3 weeks
what the fk is up with laidler?
can we get a petition to get graham a game?
That was a bad bad heartless loss.
Disgraceful.
Mm needs to wear some heat for that display.
Half the guys were statues - contributed NOTHING...
bETTS, Yazz, Murphy, Gibbs, Robbo, Armfield, Curnow, etc etc
They all seem to be too worried about their man instead of chasing the footy. Most if not all are not playing their natural game style.
we've gotta toughen up and get super fit.
!!!!!!
This I agree with.
Every other team we've played look like men, and we look like boys
Hill got Curnow early but didnt do much after that. I think Curnow did ok.
Players who can hold their heads up high: Simpson, Scotland, Watson and Tuohy.
Players who need to take a good hard look at themselves: Betts, Yarran, Rowe and Murphy.
It was a high pressure game, but we allowed them to shut us down too much in the last quarter. We barely got it forward of centre and couldn't stop the flow down the other end.
I think this will be it for us, we could only really afford to drop 1 game and with Richmond and Essendon still to play, I can't see us making it from here.
That was a bad bad heartless loss.
Disgraceful.
Mm needs to wear some heat for that display.
Half the guys were statues - contributed NOTHING...
bETTS, Yazz, Murphy, Gibbs, Robbo, Armfield, Curnow, etc etc
They all seem to be too worried about their man instead of chasing the footy. Most if not all are not playing their natural game style.
Agreed then that is poor coaching too.
my issue is that we cant seem to control the game, we seem to be playing catch up all the time
we've gotta toughen up and get super fit.
definitely short on expertise in comparison and out coached yet again. dodgy game plan MM, everyone is awake to you now.
too many softies....when you tackle you have to tackle ton hurt....toughen up!!!!!!
Ala Hawthorn, the tackle to hurt all the time, we just tackle to slow them down until they can get the handball off.
Players who need to take a good hard look at themselves: Betts, Yarran, Rowe and Murphy.
Add Gibbs, Jamison, Robbo, Garlett to that list.
Mick isn't my favourite person tonight. It might just be me venting at the wrong time, but can we trade Mick for Buddy Franklin and get Duigan to coach the side. :o ;D
Its the tackling that dissapointed me...ours didnt stick, the broke them easily and a lot of their players stood up in the tackles and got clean ball away to teammates.
Murphy needs to hand back the captains role and learn how to defend himslef vs the taggers...get a tape of another small bloke in Brent Harvey.
Crowley ran away from Murphy in the last quarter and Murph couldnt go with him.....I think Bell has to play, we dont have size around the ball and need some 190cm, 90kg mids who can mark the footy, and stand up in tackles, we looked very undersized in contests.
we had the coach apologise to the fans - going to get one from the captain?
why is the predominant trait amongst our lads front running show pony stuff =- from the Captain down...?
So one of the hardest working teams in the league beat one of the laziest ::)
AND we let Ballantyne have the last laugh. This club is edging closer and closer to being DEAD to me.
Bryce Gibbs went a long way into killing our momentum and giving them a big lead.
We lost what i consider to be a winnable game.
The worst part is that i tipped this result. We cant possibly lose next week, and we are not good enough to win five in a row.
Murph was limping around the field tonight. Either he copped a corkie early which stopped his run, or he wasn't right.
Cant see how we can push Scotland to retire. Scotland Simpson and Tuohy and Judd were head and shoulders better than the rest.
Mick isn't my favourite person tonight. It might just be me venting at the wrong time, but can we trade Mick for Buddy Franklin and get Duigan to coach the side. :o ;D
Quite frankly, Mm screwed this season by poor MC selections in the first two months of the season.....
No McPharlin & no Pavlich and they made us look ordinary in the end.
We had some good passages of play across the first three quarters but they flexed some muscle in the last and pulled away like good sides do. They are a top 3 team and will be a real show come finals time.
We have to face facts here, our wins this year have mostly been against teams below us on the ladder and we have been shown up by those above us even if the margin at times has been only a kick.
The vast majority of Blues fans had some real enthusiasm & expectation when Malthouse arrived. He was expected to get more out of the players that Ratts did and he took them to nearly a prelim final. However, Malthouse has had time to assess our list and now stated we are around 14 players off where he believes it should be.
There is no point in getting upset or angry right now, it is what it is and if we were honest with ourselves we would of known that we still aren't ready to challenge the upper echelon of the ladder just yet. We are not far off it and subject to what happens in the trade & draft period, we could be right back in the hunt in 2014.
Many people have questioned aspects of our game & playing list and they are all quite valid. We don't have the full skill set, we don't have the mental edge just yet, we aren't fit enough right now and we don't have the cattle. To expect us to challenge professional teams like Hawthorn & Sydney with the list we have is living in dreamland.
It was a pretty good game of footy tonight and there were some positives for the future (eg. Tuohy kicking 3 & Watson providing a target up forward) but in the end, the difference in class & talent came home to roost.
Lastly, there was a handful of regular senior players who were virtually passengers tonight and for that reason, will come under more & more intense scrutiny as the end of the season draws closer by the week..
Bryce Gibbs went a long way into killing our momentum and giving them a big lead.
We lost what i consider to be a winnable game.
The worst part is that i tipped this result. We cant possibly lose next week, and we are not good enough to win five in a row.
Murph was limping around the field tonight. Either he copped a corkie early which stopped his run, or he wasn't right.
Cant see how we can push Scotland to retire. Scotland Simpson and Tuohy and Judd were head and shoulders better than the rest.
that tells how sh1te we are
Always seem to get the opposition when they are most pumped. Frockers won't play like that week in week out. They were manic tonight.
Apart from the last quarter, gallant effort by the boys. Some obviously had their colors lowered.
And BT should stick that microphone up his crack hole.
We play Bulldogs, Richmond, Essendon and Port Adelaide. One win in those games. If we beat the Dogs. IF ?
Mick isn't my favourite person tonight. It might just be me venting at the wrong time, but can we trade Mick for Buddy Franklin and get Duigan to coach the side. :o ;D
Quite frankly, Mm screwed this season by poor MC selections in the first two months of the season.....
Selections weren't too flash tonight either. Why no Warnock?
Did I see Ballantyne manhandle an umpire tonight? :o Isn't that 9 weeks? Where's Fatprick Smith?
No McPharlin & no Pavlich and they made us look ordinary in the end.
We had some good passages of play across the first three quarters but they flexed some muscle in the last and pulled away like good sides do. They are a top 3 team and will be a real show come finals time.
We have to face facts here, our wins this year have mostly been against teams below us on the ladder and we have been shown up by those above us even if the margin at times has been only a kick.
The vast majority of Blues fans had some real enthusiasm & expectation when Malthouse arrived. He was expected to get more out of the players that Ratts did and he took them to nearly a prelim final. However, Malthouse has had time to assess our list and now stated we are around 14 players off where he believes it should be.
There is no point in getting upset or angry right now, it is what it is and if we were honest with ourselves we would of known that we still aren't ready to challenge the upper echelon of the ladder just yet. We are not far off it and subject to what happens in the trade & draft period, we could be right back in the hunt in 2014.
Many people have questioned aspects of our game & playing list and they are all quite valid. We don't have the full skill set, we don't have the mental edge just yet, we aren't fit enough right now and we don't have the cattle. To expect us to challenge professional teams like Hawthorn & Sydney with the list we have is living in dreamland.
It was a pretty good game of footy tonight and there were some positives for the future (eg. Tuohy kicking 3 & Watson providing a target up forward) but in the end, the difference in class & talent came home to roost.
Lastly, there was a handful of regular senior players who were virtually passengers tonight and for that reason, will come under more & more intense scrutiny as the end of the season draws closer by the week..
what, the stars didn't align? - I for one bought into that crapola at the start of the year
We lack hunger, have been thinking this for while then I turn to the TV and Ross Lyon comes on and talks about this topic. They came along with an attitude that said "we wont lose against this mob tonight" and they didn't, 4 qtrs of relentless pressure. We need to learn to bring "attitude" to games.
Having said that, a few need to be dropped:
Yarran
Betts
Rowe
Carrots
Murphy might need a run in the twos also
We play Bulldogs, Richmond, Essendon and Port Adelaide. One win in those games. If we beat the Dogs. IF ?
We can win 'em all!!!!!!!!
Tonight we met an undermanned D1ckers unit, on our dung heap and they pulled down our dacks.
But, nothing to worry about... our President said we have a great list.
Forget finals.
MM, stop making excuses and painting an optimistic view of progress. This side will not deliver you a top 4 result or better.
Time to be ruthless at the trade and assistant coach table.
As for on-field leadership... >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :(
Tonight we met an undermanned D1ckers unit, on our dung heap and they pulled down our dacks.
But, nothing to worry about... our President said we have a great list.
Forget finals.
MM, stop making excuses and painting an optimistic view of progress. This side will not deliver you a top 4 result or better.
Time to be ruthless at the trade and assistant coach table.
As for on-field leadership... >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :(
But the problem remains (mainly) between our ears because some weeks we do turn up?
Still too many soft players who wont put their body on the line.
what, the stars didn't align? - I for one bought into that crapola at the start of the year
We all bought into that crapola at the start of the year but we have been sold a lemon.
We will be back up there but it may not be for another couple of years till we are a real contender. We don't have the players, it's as simple as that and it will take at least two trade periods to get what we need.
We need to restructure the side. Too many blokes playing right now that haven't come back well from injuries. Just finds you out against sides like Freo. Need to restructure the midfield.
Watto did well as did Touhy, who should be in the midfield, as should Walker, who was sh1t tonight at HB.
We need another captain.
We need to put the blokes I was talking about who haven't come up after injuries back to the twos.
Get young blokes like Graham and Menzel into the side.
That last qtr was deadset sh1tful.
MM should be getting a lot of the heat really! I'm sick of his apologies!
If I don't perform in my job, sorry doesn't cut it!
P1ss him off now, he's the biggest dud of em all, should have kept Ratts. At least he was able to get the best out of our list....
Bl00dy Richmond, Collingwood, Bulldogs, Eagles reject....
Still too many soft players who wont put their body on the line.
Yep .
And it has a two fold effect.
A) their non effort leaves us exposed and
B) it creates dissent because the one that do put in get the craps.
That was finals type pressure and 4 guys failed the test AGAIN.
Also not at all happy with the MC.
MM needs to take a hit as well tonight.
Oh and Suban killed us while the player we gave up the draft pick up that got him is in the magoos.
Tonight we met an undermanned D1ckers unit, on our dung heap and they pulled down our dacks.
But, nothing to worry about... our President said we have a great list.
Forget finals.
MM, stop making excuses and painting an optimistic view of progress. This side will not deliver you a top 4 result or better.
Time to be ruthless at the trade and assistant coach table.
As for on-field leadership... >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( >:( :(
But the problem remains (mainly) between our ears because some weeks we do turn up?
You are right, but, when we experience bona fide defensive pressure, we go to water... and that is about culture/personnel. :)
what, the stars didn't align? - I for one bought into that crapola at the start of the year
We all bought into that crapola at the start of the year but we have been sold a lemon.
We will be back up there but it may not be for another couple of years till we are a real contender. We don't have the players, it's as simple as that and it will take at least two trade periods to get what we need.
The point I m trying to make is MM's assessment of the list at the start. clearly excited and optimistic
He got it wrong, he knows it, and its frustrating him - the players can only respond to their ability, other seem they just haven't bought in/
Murphy is the biggest concern - he's got a big problem there
MM should be getting a lot of the heat really! I'm sick of his apologies!
If I don't perform in my job, sorry doesn't cut it!
P1ss him off now, he's the biggest dud of em all, should have kept Ratts. At least he was able to get the best out of our list....
Bl00dy Richmond, Collingwood, Bulldogs, Eagles reject....
Can you please state exactly what you believe MM did wrong.
I said it right at the start when Watson started playing for us and did very little to light up the place. I said he moves like a forward and should go forward. Livingston was very similar and we killed his career by keeping him down back.
It makes you wonder who else we have in the twos that could play up if given the chance but we continue to play all the favourites that haven't brought the chocolates home yet. ::)
Still too many soft players who wont put their body on the line.
Too many light bodies, too many B-C Grade mids who lack pace, size and flair,
"they were harder & more desperate"
"they belted us through the middle"
"we got absolutely nothing from our small forwards"
"they are a Top 4 team and it clearly shows the gap between us & the Top 4 teams"
"I can't think of any of our midfielders who would be in the Top 6 players in the match"
"we need a massive improvement on tonights performance, we'll just worry about the Bulldogs next week and not the other games"
Malthouse being interviewed by Richo post-match.
Our blokes do not run hard enough both ways. Freo worked much harder all night.
Just watching the MM interview with Richo Yarran limping badly in the background with his shin iced.
"they were harder & more desperate"
"they belted us through the middle"
"we got absolutely nothing from our small forwards"
"they are a Top 4 team and it clearly shows the gap between us & the Top 4 teams"
"I can't think of any of our midfielders who would be in the Top 6 players in the match"
"we need a massive improvement on tonights performance, we'll just worry about the Bulldogs next week and not the other games"
Malthouse being interviewed by Richo post-match.
Also pretty telling his comments when Richo asked if they did enough to help out Murphy.....Malthouse basically said that he's got to do something about it himself.....almost a public baking.
Our blokes do not run hard enough both ways. Freo worked much harder all night.
Just watching the MM interview with Richo Yarran limping badly in the background with his shin iced.
Yarran or Watson? I saw Watto limping badly and an iced calf.
Still too many soft players who wont put their body on the line.
X2.
Yarran Murphy Gibbs are all in most of supporters minds in our top 10 yet they lack true heart.
Yarran is fast, exciting to watch when allowed room and at times looks skillful. YET when asked to work hard against the better teams he is lazy, not accountable and lacks any sort of heart that all great players have.
We have many players in this category.
The same ol' story with certain individuals. Go missing when the heat is on - Murph, Gibbo, Luco, Bettsy, Garlett, Yazz >:(
Umpiring was an atrocity. WTF was that???????
Tuohy was outstanding. Shows everyone at the club how hard work reaps rewards.
Time to get the broom and do a bit of sweeping.....
Yarran put up one of the weakest contests I've ever seen and then when he didn't win the ball he just stopped and watched. We just need to cut our losses and trade this guy.
I guess the thing that irks me most is that Richmond have gone well past us over the past two years and they even rolled the Hawks today. We used to laugh at them and consider the opening round of the season a bankable 4-points every year.
Now, they are developing into a very good team and would give us a touch-up on most occasions.
Why are they now such an improved team when we have had the better draft opportunities ??
So many things to get right and it all happens off the field first.
Yarran put up one of the weakest contests I've ever seen and then when he didn't win the ball he just stopped and watched. We just need to cut our losses and trade this guy.
I have been copping an almighty bashing for a few years now because I have been saying that exact thing.
Yarran put up one of the weakest contests I've ever seen and then when he didn't win the ball he just stopped and watched. We just need to cut our losses and trade this guy.
I have been copping an almighty bashing for a few years now because I have been saying that exact thing.
right next to me.
Yarran is fast, exciting to watch when allowed room and at times looks skillful. YET when asked to work hard against the better teams he is lazy, not accountable and lacks any sort of heart that all great players have.
Hellooooooooo .......................... another convert.
Yarran is undoubtedly one of the most frustrating players I've seen for many years. His highlight reel is genuinely exhilarating and he possesses some of the most exquisite skills you can imagine in a player.
His lazy attitude is the killer, he only 'goes' when he decides its time to. This brings an unreliability component to his game which reduces him to the status of a spectator at times.
I fear that this aspect of his game will never change and we will forever be pulling our hair out over it whilst he remains at the club.
MM should be getting a lot of the heat really! I'm sick of his apologies!
If I don't perform in my job, sorry doesn't cut it!
P1ss him off now, he's the biggest dud of em all, should have kept Ratts. At least he was able to get the best out of our list....
Bl00dy Richmond, Collingwood, Bulldogs, Eagles reject....
Can you please state exactly what you believe MM did wrong.
Ok I'll humor you! ;)
As stated in a previous post, his game plan is outdated and as the coach he is there to devise game plans to win us games. Someone said earlier, he fcuked around with the squad in the first part of the season and has cost us finals - true. The team (most of which were here last year) don't have the same desire they showed when Rattan was coaching! Trust also we do not have the list to win a flag but we should be higher on the ladder this year. He's not getting the best out of the group and there is a real negativity about the game plan, something like, let's fcuk around with the ball down the wings while the opposition counteract, so by the time we get the ball in to the forward line everyone is manned up, the gaps to lead in to are plugged and we don't score and the opposition clear with ease given numbers.
That's enough for now....
Need another drink to drown my sorrows.... ;)
"they were harder & more desperate"
"they belted us through the middle"
"we got absolutely nothing from our small forwards"
"they are a Top 4 team and it clearly shows the gap between us & the Top 4 teams"
"I can't think of any of our midfielders who would be in the Top 6 players in the match"
"we need a massive improvement on tonights performance, we'll just worry about the Bulldogs next week and not the other games"
Malthouse being interviewed by Richo post-match.
Also pretty telling his comments when Richo asked if they did enough to help out Murphy.....Malthouse basically said that he's got to do something about it himself.....almost a public baking.
Hate to say I told you so but I've been saying it for a long time.
pretty fair effort tbh.
Purlease.....tell me you're taking the p!ss tex.....
Yarran has the ability to be the next McLeod but so far he's the next Daniel Motlop.
"they were harder & more desperate"
"they belted us through the middle"
"we got absolutely nothing from our small forwards"
"they are a Top 4 team and it clearly shows the gap between us & the Top 4 teams"
"I can't think of any of our midfielders who would be in the Top 6 players in the match"
"we need a massive improvement on tonights performance, we'll just worry about the Bulldogs next week and not the other games"
Malthouse being interviewed by Richo post-match.
Reckon MM put the Fluffy Ducks game down to an aberration... now he knows he's inherited publicity hungry & savvy girls.
When M. Watson becomes your big forward hope... oh, dear...
...the captaincy responsibility is killing Murph... just about everyone on this site knew that (Murph is not a Skipper), how come our club did not know that? This is infurating. >:( >:( >:(
I would favour burying this season and getting games into Graham, Menzel, Buckley, Bell, Casboult, Warnock & O'Keefe.
Yarran has the ability to be the next McLeod but so far he's the next Daniel Motlop.
Not even. He's gone so far backwards he's worse than when he first started! What a slide.
pretty fair effort tbh.
Wow just saw this.
Yarran has the ability to be the next McLeod but so far he's the next Daniel Motlop.
Yarran was poor but Eddie was simply pathetic.
Good to see MM give all three a bake.
Yarran put up one of the weakest contests I've ever seen and then when he didn't win the ball he just stopped and watched. We just need to cut our losses and trade this guy.
Agree...his best is great but his attitude to picking and choosing contests makes him a liability.
pretty fair effort tbh.
Wow just saw this.
I know - makes you shake your head......tex, seriously, did you just fast-forward through the game watching our goals only, 'cos unless that's what you did, that opinion has no place in this forum....
Too many defensive mids for starters, and none of them quick.
Poor games from some of our good players and average games from our average players, only a few really stood up for four quarters.
Freo were too quick, too strong, too committed and too well drilled, we kept plugging away but they always looked like they could crack us open.
9th or 10th is about where we deserve to be.
Yarran was poor but Eddie was simply pathetic.
Good to see MM give all three a bake.
I reckon Betts has already agreed to walk for that $600K offer and is just going through the motions with us now so he doesn't get a serious injury.
Don't worry
Sticks says we are going fine....
pretty fair effort tbh.
Wow just saw this.
I know - makes you shake your head......tex, seriously, did you just fast-forward through the game watching our goals only, 'cos unless that's what you did, that opinion has no place in this forum....
Its a fair effort if you are setting the bar low......to run out of steam and the ability to contest in the last quarter was worrying with regards our fitness and leadership...Scotland and Simposn excepted.
To allow Ballantyne and Crowley to imtimidate our players was even worse...the sight of these two laughing at our performance was sickening....if you are going togo down at least go down swinging, we just fell to our knees and closed our eyes...
Warnock?...is he fit? Monstered by their rucks..he played well last year in our 20 point win last year at Patto stadium...what's he doing on the list if he won't be played by MM v a big ruck outfit?
Too many defensive mids for starters, and none of them quick.
Poor games from some of our good players and average games from our average players, only a few really stood up for four quarters.
Freo were too quick, too strong, too committed and too well drilled, we kept plugging away but they always looked like they could crack us open.
9th or 10th is about where we deserve to be.
x2
bring on 2014.
Yarran was poor but Eddie was simply pathetic.
Good to see MM give all three a bake.
I reckon Betts has already agreed to walk for that $600K offer and is just going through the motions with us now so he doesn't get a serious injury.
Could be right.
New baby, short career left.
On that effort he go.
Last year Lyon put the acid on Walters, Ballantyne, Suban and ibbotson . It took some of them until this season to become important players .
MM puts the acid on Betts and Yarran and they do fck all.
pretty fair effort tbh.
Wow just saw this.
I left the game after Gibbs gave that goal away. Pathetic.
I'm listening to SEN talk back and you know what? I am optimistic about next year because a few precious players stamped their papers tonight. F?uck em. Pea hearted, limp wristed prima donnas. We move forward without them.
I need MM to put his money where his mouth is and make players ACCOUNTABLE. Ruthless and relentless. Unscrewingbelievable. Players like Gibbs and Yarran should be traded now before their value depreciates even further. No heart. Give me another 2 Tuohys for half the price.
Let the kids play, Murphy to relinquish the Captaincy, give it to Kade and trade aggressively for key position players. And start dropping players who don't meet standards.
pretty fair effort tbh.
Wow just saw this.
I left the game after Gibbs gave that goal away. Pathetic.
I'm listening to SEN talk back and you know what? I am optimistic about next year because a few precious players stamped their papers tonight. F?uck em. Pea hearted, limp wristed prima donnas. We move forward without them.
I need MM to put his money where his mouth is and make players ACCOUNTABLE. Ruthless and relentless. Unscrewingbelievable. Players like Gibbs and Yarran should be traded now before their value depreciates even further. No heart. Give me another 2 Tuohys for half the price.
Let the kids play, Murphy to relinquish the Captaincy, give it to Kade and trade aggressively for key position players. And start dropping players who don't meet standards.
Absolute no from me for Simpson as Captain
Henderson could be Captain.
The amigos game plan is useless against better sides at Etihad, they are too big of a liability in and around stoppages. Freo made them look like they were made of fairy floss.
A high ball comes in, four Freo players run at it, three Carlton players watch one teammate compete.
What is all this crap about captaincy.
It doesn't matter a fck who the skipper is.
Being skipper is just a fcking marketing exercise.
Get over it.
FMD.
Best opposition I have seen all year. Ruthless!
What is all this crap about captaincy.
It doesn't matter a fck who the skipper is.
Being skipper is just a fcking marketing exercise.
Get over it.
FMD.
Captains still make a difference.....Nicholls Kernahan Johnson....lead the charge... marketing? bollocks...
Thanks for stuffing our weekend Carlton, what a putrid, putrid effort. Please explain this in your next email Mick.
1. The play the boundary line game plan (and always kick to a contest) was horribly flawed tonight, can't believe we paid a bloke $1m a year for this rubbish. Had no idea how to beat the press - how's about playing on at all costs? Nup, lets stop, prop, kick sideways....NO FLAIR = NO HOPE AGAINST THE PRESS.
2. Thanks Simmo for having a real go and putting your body in, I'd give Touhy, Jamo and K a tick as well. But why so many passengers??? Time to start playing kids as Murphy, Gibbs, Betts, Yarran, Robinson and many of the others just don't care. Gave NADA.
3. Our mids are all too small. They all gave away 5-10 kgs each and we were monstered tonight in just about every position on the ground. The amount of times they broke tackles was embarrassing.
4. The Rowe experiment is over. Hard hands and no second efforts. Can't win without a forward line.
5. Worst game I've seen from Walker for years. Constantly our of position, fumbles...errors. Stupid frees AARGH.
6. The three amigos. Play like millionaires.. won't do the basics. Playing for kicks instead of attacking the ball - cost 3 goals tonight. Yarra, is taking the urine on that "effort" tonight.
7. Lazy, lazy, lazy. Hard to clear the ball from 50 when nobody presents. Hard to defend when the forwards and mids let the opposition run into space most of the night.
All in all, bitterly disappointed. I said before this year that we are a 9-12 ranked side and that is exactly what we are. We need a CHF, a CHB and 3 midfielders around 190/90 kg. Our gnomes (eg Armfield, Murphy) just aren't in the game against Barlow, Mundy etc
The 3 amigo's are really starting to p155 me off.
get rid of at least 1 of them , if not 2. Gibbs can fork off while we're at it.
Sick of this poor excuse for a football team. Doesnt matter who the bloody coach is. Tackles are meant to STICK otherwise whats the bloody point!!!! We dont even bruise our opponents on the odd occasion they do stick a tackle. Weak as p155 blues.
Where the hell has our I50 pressure gone? Betts and Garlett were once feared more so for their pressure I50 than their goalkicking but they're no where to be seen. 2nd and 3rd efforts seem a distant afterthought for our guys too.
Same players give there all week in week out yet the rest continue to just float in and out of games.
Cant wait for trade week. Will be good to get rid of these soft Kocks once and for all. >:(
Thanks for stuffing our weekend Carlton, what a putrid, putrid effort. Please explain this in your next email Mick.
1. The play the boundary line game plan (and always kick to a contest) was horribly flawed tonight, can't believe we paid a bloke $1m a year for this rubbish. Had no idea how to beat the press - how's about playing on at all costs? Nup, lets stop, prop, kick sideways....NO FLAIR = NO HOPE AGAINST THE PRESS.
2. Thanks Simmo for having a real go and putting your body in, I'd give Touhy, Jamo and K a tick as well. But why so many passengers??? Time to start playing kids as Murphy, Gibbs, Betts, Yarran, Robinson and many of the others just don't care. Gave NADA.
3. Our mids are all too small. They all gave away 5-10 kgs each and we were monstered tonight in just about every position on the ground. The amount of times they broke tackles was embarrassing.
4. The Rowe experiment is over. Hard hands and no second efforts. Can't win without a forward line.
5. Worst game I've seen from Walker for years. Constantly our of position, fumbles...errors. Stupid frees AARGH.
6. The three amigos. Play like millionaires.. won't do the basics. Playing for kicks instead of attacking the ball - cost 3 goals tonight. Yarra, is taking the urine on that "effort" tonight.
7. Lazy, lazy, lazy. Hard to clear the ball from 50 when nobody presents. Hard to defend when the forwards and mids let the opposition run into space most of the night.
All in all, bitterly disappointed. I said before this year that we are a 9-12 ranked side and that is exactly what we are. We need a CHF, a CHB and 3 midfielders around 190/90 kg. Our gnomes (eg Armfield, Murphy) just aren't in the game against Barlow, Mundy etc
I am a Rowe fan but was dissapointed in his marking and groundwork tonight...falls over too much and have to agree he probably wont make it and is backup material only.
Let's be brutally honest here - apart from the first 7 mins of the game & a 5 min patch in the 3rd, Freo were more than a class above us in every facet....and I don't reckon they even got out of 1st gear for the most part.
Their 'second-tier' players such as Suban, Neale, Pearce, Dawson, Mzungu, Clarke smashed us....that's the second-tier, then you've got the like of Walters, Mundy, Fyfe, Hill, Barlow, Mayne, Ballantyne all producing something special throughout the game. Have no doubts, this Freo team has a VERY talented list & the result simply reiterates where we're at as a team....very much middle-of-the-road, we can be a pest to the better teams, but that's about it.
What a horror story from so many out there tonight.......Murphy, Walker, Robbo, Yarran, McLean, Rowe, Betts, Cachia, Garlett, Carrazzo (all of them craphouse), closely followed by Gibbs, Kreuzer, Lucas, Armfield & Curnow (who all at least did some good, mixed with their bad), leaving just Judd, Simmo, Watson, Henderson, Scotland, Jamison & Tuohy who all had a crack all night & who all had more of a positive affect on the game, than a negative.
If I hear one more person saying how they saw friggin' Joe Bloggs limping with an ice-pack after the game, I'll spew up. Most of us have played a serious game of footy at some stage in our lives - and guess what, I was limping like a son-of-a-bitch after EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, but felt fine during the game itself. Stop making bloody excuses for these blokes.
Marc Murphy - seriously, how many performances of that calibre have you produced this year? Too many to be considered a bonafide AFL captain. He's an absolute shadow of the player he was last year, we get glimpses every once in a while, but overall, name me a more disappointing player this year?
You'd think out of the 3 of them, one of Garlett, Betts or Yarran could produce an acceptable performance......no chance of that apparently. A more crapful collective game from that trio we won't see this year.....although I wouldn't put it past them.
How does Robbie Warnock not get selected for this game? Sam Rowe.....nup, not for me - he looks miles out of his depth at this level, zero influence for the 3rd consecutive week....he's been given a decent enough crack this time around to show that he's simply not up to it, but alas - he's been retained for another year, so he'd wanna improve & improve real quick or else next year will be his last as an AFL player.
Andrew Carrazzo - yet another injury.....form mine, the bell tolls for thee. Reckon he needs to make a very considered decision at the end of the year. Then there's Robbo.....what to do with Robbo, would he be getting a game for anyone in the top 4? Probably not.
Bryce Gibbs......*sigh*, Andrew Walker......*sigh*
I'm betting Mick cannot wait to get his hands on this list come year's end......
Murphy needs to get serious or go back to district cricket. Not a captains bootlaces.
What is all this crap about captaincy.
It doesn't matter a fck who the skipper is.
Being skipper is just a fcking marketing exercise.
Get over it.
FMD.
Captains still make a difference.....Nicholls Kernahan Johnson....lead the charge... marketing? bollocks...
They pick Murph as skipper because he was seen as our best player.
Simpson is playing his best footy EVER, is that because he's not skipper?
Teams become great when everyone leads and takes responsibility.
Murph played crap and we lost. Who's skipper wouldnt make a difference with what went on out there tonight.
Get over it.
Let's be brutally honest here - apart from the first 7 mins of the game & a 5 min patch in the 3rd, Freo were more than a class above us in every facet....and I don't reckon they even got out of 1st gear for the most part.
Their 'second-tier' players such as Suban, Neale, Pearce, Dawson, Mzungu, Clarke smashed us....that's the second-tier, then you've got the like of Walters, Mundy, Fyfe, Hill, Barlow, Mayne, Ballantyne all producing something special throughout the game. Have no doubts, this Freo team has a VERY talented list & the result simply reiterates where we're at as a team....very much middle-of-the-road, we can be a pest to the better teams, but that's about it.
What a horror story from so many out there tonight.......Murphy, Walker, Robbo, Yarran, McLean, Rowe, Betts, Cachia, Garlett, Carrazzo (all of them craphouse), closely followed by Gibbs, Kreuzer, Lucas, Armfield & Curnow (who all at least did some good, mixed with their bad), leaving just Judd, Simmo, Watson, Henderson, Scotland, Jamison & Tuohy who all had a crack all night & who all had more of a positive affect on the game, than a negative.
If I hear one more person saying how they saw friggin' Joe Bloggs limping with an ice-pack after the game, I'll spew up. Most of us have played a serious game of footy at some stage in our lives - and guess what, I was limping like a son-of-a-bitch after EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, but felt fine during the game itself. Stop making bloody excuses for these blokes.
Marc Murphy - seriously, how many performances of that calibre have you produced this year? Too many to be considered a bonafide AFL captain. He's an absolute shadow of the player he was last year, we get glimpses every once in a while, but overall, name me a more disappointing player this year?
You'd think out of the 3 of them, one of Garlett, Betts or Yarran could produce an acceptable performance......no chance of that apparently. A more crapful collective game from that trio we won't see this year.....although I wouldn't put it past them.
How does Robbie Warnock not get selected for this game? Sam Rowe.....nup, not for me - he looks miles out of his depth at this level, zero influence for the 3rd consecutive week....he's been given a decent enough crack this time around to show that he's simply not up to it, but alas - he's been retained for another year, so he'd wanna improve & improve real quick or else next year will be his last as an AFL player.
Andrew Carrazzo - yet another injury.....form mine, the bell tolls for thee. Reckon he needs to make a very considered decision at the end of the year. Then there's Robbo.....what to do with Robbo, would he be getting a game for anyone in the top 4? Probably not.
Bryce Gibbs......*sigh*, Andrew Walker......*sigh*
I'm betting Mick cannot wait to get his hands on this list come year's end......
Fyfe and Mayne are very good players and I'd be happy to steal Suban off Freo...agree on Rowe but rate Warnock similar and prefer to see Casboult trialled again..
What is all this crap about captaincy.
It doesn't matter a fck who the skipper is.
Being skipper is just a fcking marketing exercise.
Get over it.
FMD.
Captains still make a difference.....Nicholls Kernahan Johnson....lead the charge... marketing? bollocks...
They pick Murph as skipper because he was seen as our best player.
Simpson is playing his best footy EVER, is that because he's not skipper?
Teams become great when everyone leads and takes responsibility.
Murph played crap and we lost. Who's skipper wouldnt make a difference with what went on out there tonight.
Get over it.
Dont worry Mate.....
Gibbs bashing starts when it was clear he was one of our best and beat (what should have been) Freo primary avenue to goal .
Were were truly outed tonight......outclassed, outgunned, outplayed, outrun, outtackled etc etc.
Start preparing for next year boys, this one's gorrn! Some of you will surely be gorrn from CFC too.
A lot of home truths established tonight.
Gibbs bashing starts when it was clear he was one of our best and beat (what should have been) Freo primary avenue to goal .
Gibbs was reasonable on Mayne IMO but probably got judged on some of his skill errors in general play where he turned the ball over......I keep saying it but Gibb needs to be played onball and in attack and I would have moved Walker forward as well.......Gibbs is a midfield goalkicker not a defacto FullBack.
Mick didnt coach that well tonight IMO and let the game slide...
Gibbs bashing starts when it was clear he was one of our best and beat (what should have been) Freo primary avenue to goal .
that episode with ballantyne stopped our momentum and gave it straight to them.
For what a ripped shirt?
It was crapful. Rip his head of at least and cop a week or two. Not his shirt.
Were were truly outed tonight......outclassed, outgunned, outplayed, outrun, outtackled etc etc.
Start preparing for next year boys, this one's gorrn! Some of you will surely be gorrn from CFC too.
A lot of home truths established tonight.
Right, succinct and true. Now we know how ordinary we are/where we really are. 10-12th would be our ladder position. Even if we fluked a finals appearance, we would only embarrass ourselves.
Gibbs bashing starts when it was clear he was one of our best and beat (what should have been) Freo primary avenue to goal .
that episode with ballantyne stopped our momentum and gave it straight to them.
For what a ripped shirt?
It was crapful. Rip his head of at least and cop a week or two. Not his shirt.
Really?
Ballantyne drags in at least one of those every week.
We were 10 points down going into the last quarter.
Again, people don't realize what a good player Mayne is and how important he is to Freo.
If the rest of the side had done its job then Gibbs' efforts would have been the difference, but alas Bryce has to cop the blame for 5 guys who didn't turn up !
Gibbs bashing starts when it was clear he was one of our best and beat (what should have been) Freo primary avenue to goal .
that episode with ballantyne stopped our momentum and gave it straight to them.
For what a ripped shirt?
It was crapful. Rip his head of at least and cop a week or two. Not his shirt.
Really?
Ballantyne drags in at least one of those every week.
We were 10 points down going into the last quarter.
Again, people don't realize what a good player Mayne is and how important he is to Freo.
If the rest of the side had done its job then Gibbs' efforts would have been the difference, but alas Bryce has to cop the blame for 5 guys who didn't turn up !
Yes really. Premiership sides dont make massive blues like that when the game is hot and you are riding the momentum.
Undisciplined one upmanship.
That one moment changed the game. We had to claw back to ten points because that incident resulted in a couple of quick goals to Freo and their biggest lead of the match. We should have been up, not fighting our way back AGAIN.
Gibbs bashing starts when it was clear he was one of our best and beat (what should have been) Freo primary avenue to goal .
that episode with ballantyne stopped our momentum and gave it straight to them.
For what a ripped shirt?
It was crapful. Rip his head of at least and cop a week or two. Not his shirt.
Really?
Ballantyne drags in at least one of those every week.
We were 10 points down going into the last quarter.
Again, people don't realize what a good player Mayne is and how important he is to Freo.
If the rest of the side had done its job then Gibbs' efforts would have been the difference, but alas Bryce has to cop the blame for 5 guys who didn't turn up !
Yes really. Premiership sides dont make massive blues like that when the game is hot and you are riding the momentum.
Undisciplined one upmanship.
That one moment changed the game. We had to claw back to ten points because that incident resulted in a couple of quick goals to Freo and their biggest lead of the match. We should have been up, not fighting our way back AGAIN.
So that loss is due to an almost BOG (for us) performance.
Crazy talk.
No and Gibbs was not in my top five players.
Gibbs bashing starts when it was clear he was one of our best and beat (what should have been) Freo primary avenue to goal .
Gibbs was reasonable on Mayne IMO but probably got judged on some of his skill errors in general play where he turned the ball over......I keep saying it but Gibb needs to be played onball and in attack and I would have moved Walker forward as well.......Gibbs is a midfield goalkicker not a defacto FullBack.
100% spot on EB1. Gibbs deserves a nice old rocket for what he dished-up when he had the ball in his hands tonight. He got lucky in that the delivery to Mayne wasn't all that great. Fail.
Bunch of soft spuds. Last qtr was diabolical.
Nowhere near it and cant see us getting better. We have wasted the last 5 yrs thinking it would come good.
We are nothing but flat track bullies.
Best opposition I have seen all year. Ruthless!
Not sure about best, but clearly a class above us. And I thought we had a crack for 3/4's.
We just ain't good enough.
Gibbs bashing starts when it was clear he was one of our best and beat (what should have been) Freo primary avenue to goal .
Gibbs was reasonable on Mayne IMO but probably got judged on some of his skill errors in general play where he turned the ball over......I keep saying it but Gibb needs to be played onball and in attack and I would have moved Walker forward as well.......Gibbs is a midfield goalkicker not a defacto FullBack.
Mick didnt coach that well tonight IMO and let the game slide...
Gibbs is hardly the problem - he is in fact a champion midfielder being asked to play out of his natural position. Ditto Walker, who is wasted in defence and would have been useful running through the middle tonight.
Walker, Judd, Gibbs, Waite (on a wing), Robinson, Carazzo all playing through the midfield are more than capable (physically and talent wise) of matching it with Mundy, Fyfe, Crowley and Barlow. prefer to start Cachia in defence to play a lock down role, such as the one that Gibbs played on Mayne and lets never waste Walker on a pest like Ballantyne - bring back Joseph for those roles.
Up forward, we are kidding ourselves with Rowe - he's not up to it. Casboult has so much more to offer and wjo knows how good he could be stationed at ff with hendo at chf. Warnock also needs to play and i'd be cutting our losses with Brock and blooding Graham.
joseph Jamison mcinnes
tuohy Watson simpson
waite gibbs walker
judd murphy kreuzer
yarran Henderson garlett
betts Casboult armfield
Warnock lucas graham cachia
By Round 19 the Ladder indicates how good you are. Last night as not a Reality Test, it was reality.
We might make the finals, but selections have to be for next year from now on.
We will make the finals if Essendon loses it points.
Forward planning now guys
Hard pruning of the list was always going to be necessary.
Hard pruning of the Coaching staff as well.
Train some young talent in both coaching and list Mick !
Excuse me MM?
What time is our "sausage sizzle" this week? ::)
For all those calling for Jibbs to be played in midfield............ MM himself when he first arrived at Carlton said that he saw Jibbs' role more as a midfielder too. What does it say about Jibbs then that come the end of the year, he's in the backline again???? Says to me that he aint anywhere near good enough to be a permanent midfielder!
Bar those first 5 games or so, holy cow has Simmo been worth every bit of his salary this year!!
@CIMM
I respect you for sticking up for them but Murphy and Gibbs are very much the problem from where I sit. The club needs them to step up and grab it by the scruff of the neck but instead they're making elementary errors at crucial stages of the game and unable to impose themselves. Gibbs BOG? Cmon man seriously, his two errors alone in the last quarter that cost us any final chance demote him to bottom 10 for mine and he was average prior to that. Personally, I don't think Gibbs is focused enough down back and I don't think he's happy playing the role of a stopper week in week out. There will be clubs in his ear come contract time at the end of next season, with free agency he'll be able to walk to a club on the brink of success.
And what about Walker last night? Possibly the worst game I've seen him play and you could tell Freo identified him as the weak link and tried to get him one out inside our defensive 50. He was just awful. When you have your early draft picks putting in performances like that at this stage of their careers you have to question where they're at mentally.
Murphy had only 13 disposals – four kicks and nine handballs – to be the biggest under-performer in a badly-beaten midfield.
He was unable to break free of Crowley, but Malthouse did not accept that as an excuse.
"Top quality players set an agenda to absorb the tag," Malthouse said.
"This is a learning curve for Marc, there's no question about that, and we spoke about it after the game.
"The top quality midfielders over the last decade or so get tagged, and what differentiates you between being a good ordinary footballer and a very good footballer is your ability to learn the lessons from the last tagger, and take them into next week and say, 'Righto, this is what I've got to do.'"
So after 150 odd games and 7 years at the club our Murph is still going through the trials and tribulations of dealing with a tagger. We needed him in the middle last night but his inability to deliver when tagged forced Mick to play him forward instead. I can't think of any other reason why he would've played forward considering what other options we had down there as small forwards.
Without condoning his effort or otherwise, the MC asking Gibbs to play on a bloke Mayne's size was asking too much. I realise that McInnes and Duigan were unavailable, but what was wrong with picking Laidler as a third defensive option. At different stages Armfield was sitting at CHB... unbelievable.
Ditto one of the three amigos should have been dropped for Menzel and Temay should have been running round, not Carazzo on one leg and half fit.
Our MC have burned us this year. Zero common sense and foresight.
If Mark Murphy went to the Swans, he would need to spend 2 months in the two's learning how to play footy both ways.
As would Yarran, Betts and Garlett
3 Amigos - apart from Garlett's goal on the bell, all three were disappointing
gibbs - not bad, but not flash either
watto - not bad up forward - who would've thunk it ? Kudos to Blue Phantom for calling it earlier
scotto - very good game - barely put a foot wrong - shame to see him go next year, if he does.
jamo - meh
judd - another typical judd game - tried valiantly all night, did some ok things, but not much influence
murf - not a great captains game, but can't fault his effort - something somewhere ain't right
krooz - absolute lion heart and always gives 110%, and actually not bad, but doesn't influence the game enough for mine - if we could clone his ticker and share it round the team, we might really have something.
hendo - has been a revelation this year, and tried tonight, delivery was poor, not one of his good games
carrots - non event
2E - great game - now this guy has serious ticker and can play
walks - not a good game from him. Would love to hear from DOA regarding what the players think of MM
roweyerboat - tries, but not up to it
lucas - did ok IMO
armfield - ok
curnow - not tonight Josephine
are we seeing the start of MM losing his senior players, like Den Den before him ? Boy they looked lost and disinterested tonight.
And I hope no team coached by Toss Lyon ever wins a flag - they are taking our once great game to an extremely ugly place. I can't bear the thought of 17 copycat teams mimicking that style of play if they win.
I would like to hear your views of Watson's game.
I hear some positive comments in these channels
but 9 kicks 4 handballs 13 disposals and 7 marks is not sensational.
I get the impression that you guys think he is worth persevering with!
pretty fair effort tbh.
carrazzo down, murphy down, no amigo's, intense pressure and we were within 10 points at the final quarter.
Sorry tex, I can't agree with you here. We were ordinary.
Even our best players, Simpson, Tuohy, Scotland and Armfield, had to lower their colours, no matter how many possessions they had: they played on Freo's major goal kickers.
Walters 4, Ballantyne 3, Hill 2, Neale 2, Suban 2
Smalls the lot of them, and the players our best were on (I should also include Walker in there, as he also shared that job and gave up goals).
We missed Carrots badly, but he hasn't been right for a while. This is a chance to get him right.
Our taggers had a tough night, with freo getting far too many stoppage wins.
No, we had a shocker. I can't find anything to appreciate from the debacle to be honest, not from the coaching staff, the fitness people or the players.
Started the third quarter with Cachia, Curnow and Mclean in for the centre bounce. Of those three, Cachia and Curnow were wearing their opponents like a glove, rendering them useless in any form of attack. Surely we can't win games like this?
As a small aside - I've been watching MM's pressers all year, and I'm a little concerned - he never seems to remember players names, never remembers stats, last night didn't even know the final score. Should we be worried about this ? Because I am.
As a small aside - I've been watching MM's pressers all year, and I'm a little concerned - he never seems to remember players names, never remembers stats, last night didn't even know the final score. Should we be worried about this ? Because I am.
No, I was so pissed off after the game I couldnt remember the person sitting next to me, my wife of 21 years.
As much as it pains me for losing and wasting ANOTHER year, I don't think we need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Much has been talked about our lack of KPP, we have a lot of talented boys at the club but they can't win without extra help. You know a few more pieces of the puzzle.
Players will always struggle when playing out of position or lack support or lack belief in fellow team mates to perform.
I just wish players are left in positions to learn to grow into that position and make it theirs. A poor effort one game is no reason to be shifted out of that position...Gee how many poor games did Fev have at FF? But we still left him their. Also if we had someone like Fev now would he be expected to run around their Backline or pinch hit in the ruck? I don't think so, his job was to kick goals.
Any team would struggle without a CHF or CHB.
THIS is where we are at, we WILL go hard at the trade table for these missing pieces and things WILL turn around quickly.
pretty fair effort tbh.
Wow just saw this.
I know - makes you shake your head......tex, seriously, did you just fast-forward through the game watching our goals only, 'cos unless that's what you did, that opinion has no place in this forum....
I watched the whole game. For 3/4's of that game we withstood and held our own against a Top 3 side imposing enormous pressure despite us being one man down and having several passengers.
I'm not sure where people expect us to be at? Did they think we would win this? We are bordering as a Top 8 side. I dont think Port, North or West Coast would have fared any better last night. Perhaps they wouldnt have been blown out of the water in the last, but thats it.
The writing was on the wall when Sandilands lined up against Kreuzer who has wrecked himself over the last fortnight.
Yes, certain parts of the game showed our soft underbelly. But this has been part of our club for many years now. It will take take to overcome that. Fortunately we have the right coach for the job now.
Again: it was a fair effort for where we are at as a club.
We need to start by fixing up our midfield based on what I witnessed last night. The real priority problems are right there! If we can't win the ball and deliver into our F50 cleanly and precisely we are never going to be a force - simple fact!
We are just feeble in that department, and I am pretty much talking about all of them. We were outmuscled, outsmarted, outtackled and outrun by Freo's bigger, fitter, more competitive and more skillful mids, who impressed me last night. The number of times they got it quickly and accurately into their F50 was awe-inspiring and if their forwards had have been a bit more accurate we would have been buried in an even deeper pit!
Trade table here we come!
Yes we need KPPs - BUT we need a new midfield first!
100%. Our midfield is that of a bottom 8 side. Small, slow, low skill. Low "hurt factor". Can't get it, or get it AND stop the other bloke.
Can't play Cachia, Carrots and Curnow in the same side. 3 taggers is like playing without half a midfield. Too defensive because the big names don't have a defensive side.
Robinson has had a dog of year - can't buy a kick.
Give Bell or even Graham a go.. and tell 'em to do they do best - hunt the ball. Force the other mob to be accountable by causing scoreboard hurt.
Mundy, Fyfe, Crowley, Barlow at 190 + cm and similar weight...and they run both ways. That's why we were crushed.
anyone got a link to MM's presser?
I watched the whole game. For 3/4's of that game we withstood and held our own against a Top 3 side imposing enormous pressure despite us being one man down and having several passengers.
They were down their two best key position players (some may argue their two best players)
I'm not sure where people expect us to be at?
The same place you expected us to be at last year.
The writing was on the wall when Sandilands lined up against Kreuzer who has wrecked himself over the last fortnight.
This comment means nothing. How did Kreuzer wreck himself? By playing two decent games? What a fkn joke, that doesn't even rate as a cop out.
Yes, certain parts of the game showed our soft underbelly. But this has been part of our club for many years now. It will take take to overcome that. Fortunately we have the right coach for the job now.
Our underbelly is softer and we have in fact gone backwards with the new coach. Many players way down on form. Once again, your comments make little to no sense.
Again: it was a fair effort for where we are at as a club.
Again, you must be delusional. I think you're the only person on here who thinks that. I think you should just face up to the realisation that Ratts was not that bad and the appointment of MM is another c0ck up from the very board you no doubt criticise.
I watched the whole game. For 3/4's of that game we withstood and held our own against a Top 3 side imposing enormous pressure despite us being one man down and having several passengers.
They were down their two best key position players (some may argue their two best players)
I'm not sure where people expect us to be at?
The same place you expected us to be at last year.
The writing was on the wall when Sandilands lined up against Kreuzer who has wrecked himself over the last fortnight.
This comment means nothing. How did Kreuzer wreck himself? By playing two decent games? What a fkn joke, that doesn't even rate as a cop out.
Yes, certain parts of the game showed our soft underbelly. But this has been part of our club for many years now. It will take take to overcome that. Fortunately we have the right coach for the job now.
Our underbelly is softer and we have in fact gone backwards with the new coach. Many players way down on form. Once again, your comments make little to no sense.
Again: it was a fair effort for where we are at as a club.
Again, you must be delusional. I think you're the only person on here who thinks that. I think you should just face up to the realisation that Ratts was not that bad and the appointment of MM is another c0ck up from the very board you no doubt criticise.
Re 1: yep, they were. And despite this they played with enormous intensity. If we played a full team Freo and they played at 95% people here would be cheering about how we're a certainty for a Preliminary final. They are the ones who need a reality check. You can only beat what is dished up on the night, and Freo dished up some pretty bloody good footy last night. It is irrelevant who was not named in their best 22.
Re 2: I think I said Top 4/6 last year, and Top 8 this year. Last year we didnt develop as we should have. Effectively Ratten had taken the group as far as he could. This year I altered my position simply on the fact that it takes half a season or more to work out a gameplan and 'buy in' to that plan. Much like Fremantle last year (who finished 7th or 8th?).
Re 3: I disagree. I think it was a poor decision to play a lone ruck against a superhuman in Sandilands. I also think expecting Krezuer to perform the way he has over the last few weeks against Sandilands was unrealistic.
Re 4: The games against Hawthorn and Fremantle suggest otherwise. We were in both of them against relentless pressure. Its still soft, but I think we're a lot harder team than where we were last year. Interestingly, MM in his PC says 'we weren't hard at all' - I'd hate to know what he thought of us the last few years. I also point towards Kane Lucas, Cachia, McLean, Henderson as players who have come on under MM. Once again our gameplan takes time adjusting to and this may be a reason for certain players lack of form.
Re 5: Well fme Carrots, atleast I dont go changing my opinion after every week. ::)
I also point towards Kane Lucas, Cachia, McLean, Henderson as players who have come on under MM.
Lucas has shown a little for sure. Cachia wasn't on our list I dont see how he comes into that equation. Mclean played better last year than this year. Henderson was injured all through last year and you can pout his improvement down to natural progression. The rest of the list is going backwards. What happened to them Tex? You seem to think all is fine so what's your explanation?
Re 5: Well fme Carrots, atleast I dont go changing my opinion after every week. ::)
Proof please. I have said for quite some time Malthouse concerns me, my opinion hasn't changed. You're not just throwing that BS comment in to fill in the space because you have no reply are you? You seem to be favouring the cop outs quite a lot of late.
I also point towards Kane Lucas, Cachia, McLean, Henderson as players who have come on under MM.
Lucas has shown a little for sure. Cachia wasn't on our list I dont see how he comes into that equation. Mclean played better last year than this year. Henderson was injured all through last year and you can pout his improvement down to natural progression. The rest of the list is going backwards. What happened to them Tex? You seem to think all is fine so what's your explanation?
Re 5: Well fme Carrots, atleast I dont go changing my opinion after every week. ::)
Proof please. I have said for quite some time Malthouse concerns me, my opinion hasn't changed. You're not just throwing that BS comment in to fill in the space because you have no reply are you? You seem to be favouring the cop outs quite a lot of late.
No, I'm referring to the Sack Ratts thread last year, which from you has continued on into this year.
I dont think the list is going backwards. I'd be surprised if anyone else thinks that. The team is in a transitioning phase, but I dont think our development has stalled.
Lucas has shown enough to suggest he'll be there in 100 games time.
McLean had some good performances last year - later on. But he had never cemented himself in the midfield group like he has this year.
Also Andy Walks has - finally - developed into a fine running HBF, despite 4 years of mediocrity under Ratten.
Re Cachia: He was drafted in 2010 and spent two years on our list, not playing a singe game. Ratten was the coach at this time.
People need to go back and read the post-match threads from 2012. Its all very well to say 'It has never been this bad before.' Actually, it has, and only 12 months ago we were at one of the lowest ebbs.
100%. Our midfield is that of a bottom 8 side. Small, slow, low skill. Low "hurt factor". Can't get it, or get it AND stop the other bloke.
Can't play Cachia, Carrots and Curnow in the same side. 3 taggers is like playing without half a midfield. Too defensive because the big names don't have a defensive side.
Robinson has had a dog of year - can't buy a kick.
Give Bell or even Graham a go.. and tell 'em to do they do best - hunt the ball. Force the other mob to be accountable by causing scoreboard hurt.
Mundy, Fyfe, Crowley, Barlow at 190 + cm and similar weight...and they run both ways. That's why we were crushed.
Well summed up Prof....we are a the Bulldogs of old with Dimmatina, Libb and Romero....all tagging and no attack or flair.
Our blokes do not run hard enough both ways. Freo worked much harder all night.
Just watching the MM interview with Richo Yarran limping badly in the background with his shin iced.
Been saying it for years..
Yarran limping, ::) just trying to justify why he had such a sh1t day at the office. Weak bastard!
To think Ross Lyon was with us for 5 years as an assistant........ in hindsight we should have kept him.
Our blokes do not run hard enough both ways. Freo worked much harder all night.
Just watching the MM interview with Richo Yarran limping badly in the background with his shin iced.
Been saying it for years..
Yarran limping, ::) just trying to justify why he had such a sh1t day at the office. Weak bastard!
Yarran limping - un- effin' believable! What did he do, trip over his own bootlaces? Pfft! >:(
Dockers gameplan is simple.
Pressure and numbers around the contest and down back.
Wait for opposition mistake
Counter.
With dumb sexond class footballers such as Mitch Robinson, Andrew Walker, Ed Curnow disposing of the ball, mistakes are just waiting to happen.
Defensive mindset and gameplan eh Mick? You just let a team averaging 70
Points a game and had 33 inside 50's last week score 116 points.
116.
@Shadesy
A telling phrase in there Shades - we have far too many dumb second class players. Glad that MM has indicated that big changes are a comin' - just hope he delivers on that.
Dockers gameplan is simple.
Pressure and numbers around the contest and down back.
Wait for opposition mistake
Counter.
With dumb sexond class footballers such as Mitch Robinson, Andrew Walker, Ed Curnow disposing of the ball, mistakes are just waiting to happen.
Defensive mindset and gameplan eh Mick? You just let a team averaging 70
Points a game and had 33 inside 50's last week score 116 points.
116.
Mick needs to find a few cattle rustlers !! The majority of lame cattle we have are riddled with Foot in Mouth disease.
I find it funny that people are talking about the main problem actually solving our issues!
The 3 amigo's are really starting to p155 me off.
get rid of at least 1 of them , if not 2.
What a difference a few weeks make eh?
8 goals between them in a one point win over North, the team who beat Geelong on Friday night, and 6 last week in a 7 goal win.
We had a bad night as a team last night, it happens when you're a middle of the road side playing against a genuine Premiership chance, but tipping buckets on our good players won't change the fact that we have an average list.
We can't sack 20 players.
The 3 amigo's are really starting to p155 me off.
get rid of at least 1 of them , if not 2.
What a difference a few weeks make eh?
8 goals between them in a one point win over North, the team who beat Geelong on Friday night, and 6 last week in a 7 goal win.
We had a bad night as a team last night, it happens when you're a middle of the road side playing against a genuine Premiership chance, but tipping buckets on our good players won't change the fact that we have an average list.
We can't sack 20 players.
Agree with this.
We were very competitive for 3 quarters against a clearly better team. 4th quarter fade out was bad, but the fitness base (and possibly interest base) is lacking for some reason.
As an aside, I think Pav is holding the Frockers back - they look a lot hungrier when he's not there. Just a theory.
I disagree with people saying it doesnt matter who is our captain... We cant have a captain who never fights back.. We cant have a captain who takes whats dished out and just puts up with it.. It sends a horrible message to the rest of the team.. Murphy has been copping punches for the last 12 weeks and never retaliates.. His form has completely gone and I think its time for Hendo to be made captain from 2014 onwards.. Either him or Brock..
Ive decided now that as hard as it is, if yarran is traded now, I could deal with it. as long as we get something for him worth while... He goes missing so much.. Yes he can be brilliant, but when do we ever see him put in efforts like Cyril last week did (who looked manic)... He chases once or twice a game, and uses his burners sparingly.. If he actually used his burners to get himself into space, he would get a lot more of the ball and be way more damaging.. Instead he only uses them when he has the ball in hand..
Eddie is having a horrid run of form and Im not against droppong him.. I think Garlett is the best of the 3 at the moment and just gets thrown in with the other two when it comes to criticism..
Rowe should be dropped.. How they've decided to extend his contract this early is beyond me.. At best he needs to be sent down back as the guy cant mark anything.
I liked Watto forward.. Good move..
Jamo is stinking it up aswell.. Dont think he feels confident without Hendo down back with him.
Walker had an absolute shocker.. Would love to see him move forward again.
Thought Lucas was good when he came on..
Carrazzo looks to be almost done with old man injuries taking their toll.. (unfortunatey).
2E Was definitely up ther with our best.. Great game..
Thought Gibbs was Ok and with the lack of help and with ten or so players having no impact, he is getting a bit too harshly criticised for last nights game IMO..
Curnow on Hill was a mistake.. Hill only ever has one good half of footy.. And he did..
Robinson seems to cop a spray every 1/4 time now... He looks slow and im not sure he will be in micks future plans..
Our midfield problem is all of them only play one way.. They are either full on negaters, or full on offensive.. None of them seem to have a good balance of both..
Army went missing..
Kreuzer was servicable but cant remember him taking a mark... Going in with one ruckman against Freo was a mistake..
Simpson again was outstanding (in relative terms).. Tried his guts out all game.. Really impressed with his last 4 weeks..
Scotto was ok but seems to have ost a touch of pace and that affects his decision making as he's got less tie to react..
Graham, Menzel, Casboult, Laidler, Waite and McInnes should all be played next week..
Happy to drop Robbo, Rowe, Betts, Yarran, Carrazzo and Cachia..
Play them ll for the rest of the season..
I dont think the list is going backwards. I'd be surprised if anyone else thinks that. The team is in a transitioning phase, but I dont think our development has stalled.
Not sure it's going backwards....but there are quite a number of players who aren't going forward at present.
The general opinion seems to be that despite their undoubted talent we ditch them.
I'm finding that suggestion a bit curious. ???
Just on Carrazzo, he's signed up until 2015! Could be an issue down the track as injury is taking it's toll on him.
I thought we were okay in patches in the first half but even when we were 10 points down in the third it felt like we should be 30.
I don't know, there doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm about us... Hard to see where we are going to get better.
I don't know, there doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm about us... Hard to see where we are going to get better.
That's the problem, it's hard to see light at the end of the tunnel, and I don't think it would matter who was coaching to be honest.
We could delist Davies, Mitchell, McCarthy, Joseph, Rowe, Hampson/Warnock, White, Laidler, Duigan and Ellard and there wouldn't be too many complaints from supporters, but that's a quarter of our list and some people would probably throw in a few more names as well.
I doubt that any of the top 4 sides have so much baggage.
Amongst the anger of the loss and the capitulation in he fourth quarter there were some things that I liked about the game.
I liked how MM came out at quarter time made a beeline to Robbo for his monumental cock up by bringing the ball into the middle instead of the open man down the line. It looked firm but measured.
I liked the lead up work of Watson, maybe he can be developed as a swing man. He is dangerous from outside 50 as his goal showed.
I liked Touhys game, tough and direct down back and his goals were excellent. They were kicked running off their smalls but the commentators were too busy rabbiting on about beep test to actually follow the game.
I liked the tackling in the first 3 quarters. Freo kept holding and then dropping the ball to advantage of their players, when we should have been given countless free kicks but poor umpiring again.
Not to like, oh boy. 2014 we need two smalls in he forward line only Garlett and Armfield. Betts looks have cracked it this season it wAs reported that Eddie was a Ratten pet maybe he doesn't like the new regime. Yarran needs a trade, we had better get something good cause a kick up his clacker is what is needed.
Murphy needs to be put out if he's injured or needs to grow a set.
Gibbs, i just wonder how often he licks his own icy pole.
Rowe sub standard again.
Kruezer looks tired and was not in the ruck often enough.
Robbo, trade bait. Hard but his slide in days have been outlawed.
Let's see if there are big changes for next week.
No doubt Raydan there is something in this.
I apologise to Watson, he looked a spud in the VFL but capable in the AFL. He just needs to find his role and for his team mates to actually look for him!
Kreuzer will not progress as long as the relief ruckmen is a spud. Kreuzer did well in the opening, but Clarke and Sandilands rucking against Rowe is as good as giving them a rest on the bench. One ruckmen will never work, and the only other half feasible ruck option Hampson is injured anyway. We have no other option, but we must have two rucks and one less Amigo in my opinion.
When SpecialK did push forward, we kicked it at his toes. A 200cm player and we kicked it at his toes 4 or 5 times inside F50!
Sandilands showed why Warnock is useless, half fitness yet Sandilands still wins probably 90% of his CMs inside F50. Warnock has probably never beaten a player like Jamison, Henderson or Watson in his life! Plus Sandilands has some mongrel, he buried that big knee into defenders ribs three or four times. We did nothing to him in return!
Murphy is injured, but most players must play injured as some time or another and as captain you have to find a way!
Gibbs was doing OK in the midfield early in the season, why he has been dealt out of the rotations is beyond me.
Robbo should be a defensive forward, never to play midfield again!
Murphy needs to be put out if he's injured or needs to grow a set.
Gibbs, i just wonder how often he licks his own icy pole.
This ^^^^^^^^
Somebody said that our midfield is either all taggers or all out unaccountable attack. I reckon that's it in a nutshell.
Until we can find a balance - or blokes that can/will do both (more ideal) we will go backwards relative to the other sides.
Something I cannot fathom is why our blokes will not run hard to create options for the blokes further up the ground. The amount of times the defenders had the ball and kicked to contested situations because nobody presented was infuriating.
I know he is largely forgotten but that third tall defender role - either White or McInnes or Laidler would have been so handy for our defensive structure last night. I reckon that was a costly omission,
I know he is largely forgotten but that third tall defender role - either White or McInnes or Laidler would have been so handy for our defensive structure last night. I reckon that was a costly omission,
Think they are all injured
We are dumb & lazy team, Freo would work hard to close the space whereas we would just mark space & lag behind.
Got back from OS last night and just sat down in front of the telly just after Irish kicked his goal that put us in front in the 3rd. After that it was pretty much all donwhill. Felt like getting back on the plane. Looks to me like we're still just not good enough. How that translates in delistings at the end of the year I don't know but I have faith in Mick finding the right balance.
Guys like Robbo and Curnow should be wary. Give their all but their lack of composure and kicking skill are just too much of a negative in todays football. All the Freo boys move and kick very well.
Watson is a spud. I know this sounds like a contradiction after my previous coment, but I don't care how well he kicks. He is a false dawn. Just doesn't have the noggin. Almost Dave Warner like. Was happy when he went up forward because he scares the crapper out of me down back.
Yarran, the most lazy and inconsistant player in the team. At least Eddie gives his all when he's not playing well.
Gibbs, was playing good footy on the ball earlier now he finds himself down back again. Must be very frustrating for him. If anyone can shed some light on the greatest mystery in AFL history, Laidler not getting a game (even before his lates injury), I'd love to know what it is.
Can't win games when so many are off the boil. Judd, Murphy etc. Carrazzo going off doesn't help. Maybe seen the end of his best football.
Very disconcerting when 2 of your better players were Simmo and Scotty. We may be on the verge of re-building before we ever got going!
Port winning today just about sews it up and good luck to them they derserve it way more than us. They've bounced back from 3rd last to be in the 8 with basically the same side.
I just hope we don't end up 9th.
We are dumb & lazy team, Freo would work hard to close the space whereas we would just mark space & lag behind.
Yep, they worked so much harder than we did. They knew we'd eventually fold, instead of stepping up our boys stood down.
So I woke up this morning to discover the sun came up. I had a think about last nights loss and whilst Im not suggesting anything other than it was a disgusting effort and a missed opportunity, I thought we actually did well to keep up with them for 3 qtrs given the number of passengers we had (half a dozen by my reckoning). They had a good contribution right across the board and couldnt play any better than they did. Just saying.
If Mark Murphy went to the Swans, he would need to spend 2 months in the two's learning how to play footy both ways.
As would Yarran, Betts and Garlett
Excellent post......
One thing no-one else has mentioned.....yes, we were all happy with Tuohy's game - but in hindsight, is it justified? His 3 goals were excellent - however, his direct opponent in Walters was Freo's most potent forward & was named BOG in some media outlets. It's almost as if Tuohy has over-corrected in regards to balancing defence with attack.
Also Andy Walks has - finally - developed into a fine running HBF, despite 4 years of mediocrity under Ratten.
Last year wasn't great for Walks but 2011 he was outstanding for the entire year and in 2010 he basically had the same year he had this year where he was blitzing them early off half back and then it went off the rails. Before that he had terrible injury woes.
Anyway, there's lots of stuff we've tried this year that works somewhere between okay and well on occassions but falls over when it counts but we already knew that because we tried it 2-5 years ago. I think MM didn't do enough homework on our players because he should know why we abandoned some of the stuff he continues to try.
Also, why is 1AW taking kickouts?
If we want to take positives out, I'd say at least we never found ourselves without a forward to kick to but that might just a reflection of how stationary/static we are.
Started the third quarter with Cachia, Curnow and Mclean in for the centre bounce. Of those three, Cachia and Curnow were wearing their opponents like a glove, rendering them useless in any form of attack. Surely we can't win games like this?
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It's good for stopping blowouts but I'd prefer we cop an extra 5 goals and get games into a future prospect who has some class and impact games.