Carlton Supporters Club

Difficult game to judge, do your worst.

Almost unfair to single out three as there were too many culpable players tonight.  Our midfield and half backs didn't do their jobs, made it impossible for our defence or forwards.

1.  Lucas. Can't understand why he gets a game.
2.  Walker.  His turnovers and looseness absolutely killed us.
3. Gibbs.  Refused to put his body in or take contact, resulting is horrid rushed kicks to nobody, inconsistent work rate, refusal to chase...  terrible example for a "Senior player" to be setting.

Dishonourable mentions.... really could be 10 blokes here; 

Thomas... on one leg ain't an excuse...too slow to execute by hand and foot, woeful kicking and needs to attack contest much harder.
Touhy....  headless chook, has lost any idea how to defend a man or space but at least appears to give a carp.
MacLean... a dirty night, his lack of leg sped and movement was badly shown up, disposal awful and cost goals.
Scotland.. cares but finding pace of the game too hot.

Smorgasbord here, ended up with Lucas, Brock and Gibbs but plenty of others very close.
All three should go at years end plus another 6 or 7!

Lucas
Gibbs
Garlett

Lucas
Lucas
Lucas
Lucas
Murphy
Walker

Hard for Garlett to get involved with one forward entry every 15 minutes and nothing to rove to.

Lucas
Gibbs
Garlett

I'm with this also.

Lucas's reactions are very slow and I can't see how he can be a success at AFL level.  Another stinker tonight.

Henderson's last quarter goals couldn't save him.  Yes, the delivery inside 50 wasn't the best but that's when your key forward has to make a statement.

Garlett didn't get into the game at all; no forward pressure, no impact on the scoreboard and no run through the midfield.

Lucas

Hard for Garlett to get involved with one forward entry every 15 minutes and nothing to rove to.

Fair point Prof but I thought he was more desperate last week and pro active, this week he seemed to think last weeks efforts
were enough for him to get by on  for another few weeks.
Elliott and Blair make things happen...the better half forwards like Steve Johnson from Geelong get up the ground and
impose themselves on the game supply or no supply

Lucas was bloody terrible but i've come to expect it from him.
Daisy.....that was abysmal. >:(

Lucas: Not up to AFL standard
Thomas: Worst game of his career.
Henderson: Half way down the monash freeway and halfway into the last quarter triple M said he had 2 disposals.

Lucas, Garlett and Daisy. Needed to get more of the ball or at least get more involved.

The list is longer for those that butchered the ball, but 1st things 1st, you have to be able to get it.

Daisy's performance must be a real kick to the guts for Mick. It was the time for him to shine and it was an epic fail.

Lucas, Garlett and Daisy. Needed to get more of the ball or at least get more involved.

That's me 100%. No effort from the first two and Daisy well fork me who knows what that was.

Re Hendo he was raped up forward a few times but his performance was no better than that of Waite's vs the Scum. Of course Hendo isn't a whipping boy so he will keep his spot in the side.

Quote from: Amers on May 02, 2014, 11:18:24 pm

Lucas, Garlett and Daisy. Needed to get more of the ball or at least get more involved.

That's me 100%. No effort from the first two and Daisy well fork me who knows what that was.

Re Hendo he was raped up forward a few times but his performance was no better than that of Waite's vs the Scum. Of course Hendo isn't a whipping boy so he will keep his spot in the side.

Wholeheartedly agree with the above. No excuses.

Gibbs, 3 tackles, 4 marks , 2 I50's. Not good enough for a bloke demanding Daisy money, hell Daisy aint worth Daisy money. So far we've paid 2.8 million for one smother against West Coast, and some smartar$e remarks from Daisy himself after the Eagles game, putting down his teamates for not knowing how to play "pressure footy".
F!@K off back to Collingwood Thomas, don't need your bullshizen.

Walker was not our worst, but was terrible early when the game was there to be won. Turns it over, gets out positioned and looks disinterested. For a senior player he is having a terrible year. His first two rounds were just awful. It will be a wasted career by the time it's finished but I guess it's not his fault

Henderson was manhandled horribly all night and they bombed it on his head but I agree that he could have presented harder and further up the ground... the amount of times we came off half back and had nothing presenting up the ground....  saw Scotland do his rag at least twice... so at least somebody else is frustrated by this.

Garlett was the same.  Could have run harder to present an option.

Garlett, Thomas, Henderson.

It thought it was already determined, Walker plays his best footy up forward ....   ::)

It thought it was already determined, Walker plays his best footy up forward ....   ::)

Probably no the thread to discuss it, but i'm surprised we haven't seen more of him up forward this year. It has to worth trying at some stage, surely.

It thought it was already determined, Walker plays his best footy up forward ....   ::)

No doubt about it. He's a good set shot, but his field kicking would make a homeless orphan cry. Just disgusting. Get him forward Mick, you washed up old pr1ck

1. Lucas...  :-X
2. McLean... bad Brock was back
3. Take your pick from Thomas, Henderson, Bell & Garlett.

I can't believe the Wrap Henderson Gets. 30% in the forward 50 and was manhandled all night, where Rowe looked at Cloke and he got the free.

Poor Supply, poor Delivery, 2 on 1.. nah he was definitely our worst.

Get a clue.

I give mine to those who refused to take a hit on there body when the pressure was on

Lucas, Everitt, Garlett... set the tone for the night. Tuohy was lucky.

Just outside those who cannot kick, Walker, Jamison, Casboult, Scotland, Thomas

Henderson had 2 pressure acts.

He only had two kicks to his name at 3/4 time and was moved back to defense in the second quarter and immediately had a goal kicked on him down there.

The fourth quarter should be ignored, as it muddies the waters about the game.  We were on track to lose by 10 goals till the pies stopped working and contesting hard in the fourth quarter.

What was he exactly meant to pressure?

Hendo has been disappointing this year for sure but he aint Han Solo there.

What was he exactly meant to pressure?

Basically tackling and smoothers, Rioli and Betts are classic examples of what coaches call pressure forwards.

KPFs rarely have any significant numbers in regards to forward pressure acts. Fevola was an exception to this rule, he used to run down a fair few. Hendo won't run down anybody, and if he is working inside at forward stoppages he is in the wrong place!

Yeah but usually the ball is down there for Rioli. It was basically bombed on his head, two on one, he was taken out of the contest and the other bloke just waltzed it away. 30% forward half says it all really.

So what exactly was he meant to do? He got up the ground and our guys just threw it on the boot or kicked it to 3 on 1's.

I would hate to be a forward in this team under this system.

Yeah but usually the ball is down there for Rioli. It was basically bombed on his head, two on one, he was taken out of the contest and the other bloke just waltzed it away. 30% forward half says it all really.

So what exactly was he meant to do? He got up the ground and our guys just threw it on the boot or kicked it to 3 on 1's.

I would hate to be a forward in this team under this system.

Not just the MM system, even under Ratten we deep fried our forwards with poor decision making and even worse disposal!

@Shadesy, its a different code, but in soccer, when you are a forward and you are being starved of posession, your goal is then to try and open up space.  That means running for no good reason but into positions that will drag opponents out of areas, and hopefully assist you in freeing up a teamate whilst unsettling your opposition defense.

On too many occasions on Friday, Collingwood were able to setup (defensively) as they pleased.

My question is, if you are Henderson, why wouldnt you drag someone back to the square?  If you are not getting it, you may as well take one opponent out of that half back zone, and lead towards goal.  It should in theory open up a gap for us to be able to at worst then bomb a clearance from defense into without having a guy waiting underneath it.

The answer might lie in the Ratten game plan where everyone used to vacate 50, and then stream back towards goal in an effort to lose their opponents.  The trouble is, that times have changed.  Again, habits are hard to break. 

Then there is the disposal side of the argument, where even when we get it into the right spots we then get the ball at each others boot laces, or a few metres either side of the target which results in the ball slingshotting straight back.

Composure and execution.

Yeah but usually the ball is down there for Rioli. It was basically bombed on his head, two on one, he was taken out of the contest and the other bloke just waltzed it away. 30% forward half says it all really.

So what exactly was he meant to do? He got up the ground and our guys just threw it on the boot or kicked it to 3 on 1's.

I would hate to be a forward in this team under this system.

Agree the team had no chance the way we were set up on Friday.

@Shadesy, its a different code, but in soccer, when you are a forward and you are being starved of posession, your goal is then to try and open up space.  That means running for no good reason but into positions that will drag opponents out of areas, and hopefully assist you in freeing up a teamate whilst unsettling your opposition defense.

On too many occasions on Friday, Collingwood were able to setup (defensively) as they pleased.

My question is, if you are Henderson, why wouldnt you drag someone back to the square?  If you are not getting it, you may as well take one opponent out of that half back zone, and lead towards goal.  It should in theory open up a gap for us to be able to at worst then bomb a clearance from defense into without having a guy waiting underneath it.

Poor example. If Hendo is in the centre with two opposition players and runs goalwards who is left to kick it to coming out of defence? Can he even be reached with a kick? Not unless it can be kicked 90m. In soccer you can cover the field with one pass, not in AFL.

Carrots you are looking too much at one example of running into different areas, and not enough about the idea.

Think about it, instead of leading up the wing, why not lead out to the oppsite wing?  Sure the resultant pass would be a more difficult one for your teamates to hit, than one down the line, but the idea is that moving in an unorthodox fashion might result in Casboult being left one out, or better yet, Lachie could end up on the end of a cross half back/half forward clearance pass.

Anyway, the running back to the square is simply a way of providing seperation for a teamate (in this example Levi).  I wouldnt be too dismissive of it, as the biggest issue I saw on Friday was that Henderson had two men to beat every time the ball was bombed to him.

He was certainly outnumbered and ragdolled without getting free kicks. He still needs to do more IMO. He was playing better this time last year no doubt and we all had him pegged as a big improver this year.

Where's the Mick Malthouse option..  :P

He was certainly outnumbered and ragdolled without getting free kicks. He still needs to do more IMO. He was playing better this time last year no doubt and we all had him pegged as a big improver this year.

Personally i think Hendo has been very good for us this. Top 5 in the B+F. Given him BOG votes at least twice.

However, i gave him WOG votes this week.

I reckon he was owed about 6 free kicks and was not getting good supply. However, when things like that aren't going your way, make something happen. If you have 2 players on you in the goal square, lead up to the wing. If you have 2 players on you when you are on the wing, then you have someone else who doesn't have an opponent that we should be looking too.

He is a gun player who will attract plenty of attention, especially when Waite isn't playing, and he needs to be smarter about it....and more importantly, so does the team!