This Saturday at 1400 at Ikon.
When we last played Richmond it was a practice match and we pounded them by 10 goals or more. We had Silvagni playing. though.
Richmond haven't set the world on fire, but last week we were particularly ordinary. A lot of guys need badly to respond.
NORTHERN BLUES v RICHMOND
Saturday 6th August, 2016
IKON Park, 02:00 PM
NORTHERN BLUES
B: 38. B Gowers 27. J Weitering 4. S Russell
HB: 33. D Thomas 34. J Glass-McCasker 65. D Viojo
C: 67. C Smith 1. T Wilson 76. J Tutt
HF: 20. A Everitt 14. L Jones 51. J Lamb
F: 79. A Walker 48. K Jaksch 46. L Sumner
R: 36. C Wood 42. M Whiley 32. N Graham
Int: 31. J Foster 19. H McKay 37. T Jones 35. K Declase 60. D Cuningham 21. C Barrett 10. T Totevski 12. Z Ballard 6. G Strachan 23. H Kerbatieh 50. B Jordan 80. M Korcheck
23P: 40. M Perry
It won't line up anything like this. Korchek will play. Walker certainly will not. If he is not fit enough to play in the seniors he will not play at all.
Guys like Foster. Smith, Glass McCasker, Skittles, Harry McKay, Cam Wood and Gowers need to show something this week, especially after being just so down last week on the TV.
However ends up being the emergencies, probably only 2 of them will play. We have gone that route all year, with no good reason to change now.
RICHMOND
B: 46. J Castagna 65. R Gale 35. N Broad
HB: 32. C Ellis 51. S Darley 37. C Menadue
C: 71. N Mellington 21. J Townsend 23. K Lambert
HF: 54. J Ballard 43. T Elton 40. D Butler
F: 36. C Moore 34. L McBean 41. M Chol
R: 47. I Soldo 73. T Couch 7. B Lennon
Int: 53. J Ellis 64. T Silvestro 59. A Morris 52. A Scott 55. R Bathie 78. D Coffield 60. T Langford 58. J Aarts
23P: 63. J Cousins
After their recent performances in the AFL and the week of speculation about their coach, I expect Richmond to come out hard. But I hope we come out harder.
Ben Lennon is still playing VFL for Richmond. They wanted a 1st round pick for this guy last year. And he wanted to stay. Not the brightest globe in the set.
NORTHERN BLUES v CASEY SCORPIONS
Saturday 6th August, 2016
IKON Park, 11:00 AM
NORTHERN BLUES
B: 35. K Declase 31. J Foster 6. G Strachan
HB: 22. D Aujla 41. J Cripps 50. B Jordan
C: 24. T Roos 12. Z Ballard 47. A Brown
HF: 53. H Payne 19. H McKay 77. L Hickey
F: 5. J Cyster 30. S Bolger 9. J Corboy
R: 80. M Korcheck 21. C Barrett 45. D Stevens
Int: 82. D Iermano 54. C McCabe 61. S Glover 13. C Adams 66. M Dawson 70. S Peet 55. W Krithararis 7. J Bradley 84. M Vesnaver 18. C Roberts 78. M Walson 64. L Jacques 74. B Malual
I think this is Jake Bradley's 1st game with the Northern Blues.
CASEY SCORPIONS
B: 40. T Wyatt 24. J Moncrieff 57. J Kennedy-Harris
HB: 13. J McDonald 16. J Gains 6. J Munro
C: 23. M Cox 47. D Collis 27. A Scott
HF: 4. J Freeman 31. T Baker 35. A Ferreira
F: 28. L Hannon 53. M King 8. T Vander Haar
R: 25. O McInerney 5. P Pattison 11. K Wilson
Int: 38. D Gordon 34. L Beacom 3. C Ambler 2. J Anderson 18. B Hillard 42. F Anderson 10. A Cotte 39. J Di Pasquale 43. D Johnston
19. C Stockdale 30. B Fritsch 32. J Briggs
McInerney has been invited to the Draft Camp. e must be doing OK.
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Kane Lambert to get 30 plus possies and 2-3 goals...at this level vs the bananas we have playing he will have a picnic...
Looking forward to heading along to this one. Anyone else heading along? We should win this one.
Will be keen to hear your thoughts on the game, time is ticking for a few , will be interesting to see if there are any late runs of form to save there careers
Tiggers by 3 pts at half time. Mckay injured. Lamb, Jones, Everitt, Cuningham,, Whiley, Mckasker better players.
Plenty of mistakes.
10.4 to 10.1.
Bruise free footy...except for Billy Gowers who's flattened a few and given away silly frees.
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4 goals to Everitt. He wants to play seniors next week.
11 points down after a McBean goal.
AFL Victoria Development League
Northern Blues 1.1 1.2 2.5 4.8 (32)
Casey Scorpions 4.2 6.6 9.7 11.9 (75)
GOALS:
Northern Blues: Corboy 2 Bolger Peet
Casey Scorpions: King 3 Freeman 2 Wilson Anderson Baker Stockdale Hannon Ferreira
BEST:
Northern Blues: Stevens Declase Aujla Roos Cripps Barrett
Casey Scorpions: Moncrieff Briggs Hillard Gordon King Wyatt
Sh*tty way to start the day, and not getting any better as Lennon kicks another goal. We really have to find something and quickly, or this one is going the same way as last week did.
3/4 time and things do not look good.
Northern Blues 11 - 1 - 67
Richmond 14 - 7 - 91
Goalkickers: Everitt 4, L. Jones, Totevski, Korcheck, Kerbatieh, Gowers, Lamb, Cuningham
DISPOSALS: Whiley 21, Tutt 20, Wilson 19, T. Jones 16, Strachan 16, Jaksch 15
Tiggers by 4 goals at 3/4 time. We kicked 1 goal for the qtr. Everitt, Jones, Cuningham ,, Rainbow only better players that6qtr. Terrible errors and decions from NBs. Another clean out at years end.
3 quick goals and this one is all over bar the abuse. 2 really bad weeks in a row.
Tiggers by 39. Going home. This is cr@p. More soon.
The season cannot end quickly enough for the NBs. They have lost that spirit and cohesion. Not enough talent out there, even when most of the team is Carlton listed.
As others have said, another clean out is likely. Hopefully we can get some more talent on the Preston side of the equation. We have some triers, but not a lot else.
5 goals for Everitt: he may not be getting huge numbers, but he is making something happen. Most unusual for him at this level. Now to get back into the seniors......
All over and the 2nd half has been a disaster. Beaten comprehensively by Richmond.
Northern Blues 13 - 3 - 81
Richmond 19 - 11 - 125
GOALS: Everitt 5, Cuningham, Gowers, Jaksch, L. Jones, Kerbatieh, Korcheck, Lamb, Totevski
DISPOSALS: Whiley 27, Tutt 26, Wilson 26, T. Jones 19, Jaksch 18, Cuningham 18.
Getting that has hurt out premiership chances..lol
The season cannot end quickly enough for the NBs. They have lost that spirit and cohesion. Not enough talent out there, even when most of the team is Carlton listed.
As others have said, another clean out is likely. Hopefully we can get some more talent on the Preston side of the equation. We have some triers, but not a lot else.
5 goals for Everitt: he may not be getting huge numbers, but he is making something happen. Most unusual for him at this level. Now to get back into the seniors......
As one of our previous coaches was so fond of saying, "You can't make strawberry jam out of cow crape!" ::)
All over and the 2nd half has been a disaster. Beaten comprehensively by Richmond.
Northern Blues 13 - 3 - 81
Richmond 19 - 11 - 125
GOALS: Everitt 5, Cuningham, Gowers, Jaksch, L. Jones, Kerbatieh, Korcheck, Lamb, Totevski
DISPOSALS: Whiley 27, Tutt 26, Wilson 26, T. Jones 19, Jaksch 18, Cuningham 18.
Whiley must be due a game next week..I'd rest Cripps and let the former have a few senior games before we move him on...
5 goals for Everitt: he may not be getting huge numbers, but he is making something happen. Most unusual for him at this level. Now to get back into the seniors......
The basic question boils down to this.... "Is his downside more of a liability than his positives are an asset?
If the answer is "Yes"... then he's finished.
Don't play him.
But if we do play him....
If he can do one thing well it's kick goals.
Play him as a permanent full forward.
Yep- he has a problem with aspects of his game, problems that may not see him at the club much longer, but he's still our best goalkicker....and he'll take a good defender which will take a bit of pressure off others.
I know who I'd rather kicking for goal out of Jones, Jaksch, Casboult and Everitt.
I know who would get more chances for kicking at goal out of Jones Jaksch, Casboult and Everitt if he was played permanently forward.
The basic question boils down to this.... "Is his downside more of a liability than his positives are an asset?
If the answer is "Yes"... then he's finished.
Don't play him.
But if we do play him....
If he can do one thing well it's kick goals.
Play him as a permanent full forward.
Yep- he has a problem with aspects of his game, problems that may not see him at the club much longer, but he's still our best goalkicker....and he'll take a good defender which will take a bit of pressure off others.
I know who I'd rather kicking for goal out of Jones, Jaksch, Casboult and Everitt.
I know who would get more chances for kicking at goal out of Jones Jaksch, Casboult and Everitt if he was played permanently forward.
Everitt plays well when we have two key forwards taking away the defenders but when we don't he tends to be terrible. Played his best footy during the middle part of the year when we had two key forwards kicking goals. I personally think one of the other 3 would have more chance of marking it and getting a crack at goal.
Hardly a positive from this game made worse by the fact we played an ordinary side on our dung heap.
The mistakes, more specifically, the poor decisions made by our blokes today were breathtaking. The old Gardiner Stand almost collapsed under the collective groans at some of the horrible errors we made gifting an ordinary Tiggers outfit, goals.
No-one put in a performance that demanded senior consideration, even Everitt, Jones, Jaksch and Whiley - good reserves performances.
Losing McKay was a big blow, probably not so much for this game but more for the chance of him having a taste of senior footy before the year is out. He didn't join the boys in the qtr time huddle and jogged the boundary stretching his groins, particularly the left. Guess we'll know what it means early next week. He was a contributor in the first qtr but not imposing.
Jaksch had to do some hard running today and fair dinkum he runs as if he's got a small tree shoved up his clacker reaching all the way to the top of his head... and is too slow. However, he was quite handy in the first half down back with his marking; took some strong marks. And in the second half he kicked a ripper goal. Sorry, but, what were we thinking? Very hard to see him at PP next year.
What a paradox Everitt is. Clearly a class above most at times in this game but can't stick a tackle at this level either and he knows it. Saw him miss an easy tackle and curse himself... good sign that he cursed himself, bad sign that his defensive game is still so poor. But he worked hard and credit given where it is due, his offensive game is very good. Found space, got himself out on his own up forward, took some very good grabs, is a reliable kick for goal and his disposals by foot were effective. It's like 2/3rds of his game is very good but the other important 1/3 is a void and ultimately costs his team.
Gee Liam Jones did some good things today... great pack marks, crashing packs, chasing down blokes and then went missing for extended periods - career summary. I thought he was our best ahead of Everitt based on hard physicality at the contest which I personally value highly in our gladiatorial game. Everitt's lack of physicality is a terrible liability when the game is hard and in the balance. If we could merge these two somehow, we'd have a proper senior footballer. When we were in trouble Everitt could not be found.
(No Gorringe)
McKasker did some very good things today and we saw glimpses of excellent defensive work, BUT he does seem to have contracted Bellitis - charging off with the ball in hand oblivious to what is around him and getting caught. And this undoes some of his good work. Like to see him given strong coaching/direction next year.
Foster. Goodbye.
Wood. Goodbye.
I can't help but wonder what Billy Gowers would be like with senior footballers around him. He was a lone loud voice at times today urging on his team mates with genuine passion, in fact many times during this game he appeared to be just about the only NBs bloke who gave a fck. Yes he gave away dumb free kicks with his overly zealous attack on the footy and opponent but on more than one occasion he had two or three opponents hanging off him as he fought them and hardly a team mate coming to his aid. He kicked the goal of the day early in the game when dashing through the guts, bouncing and letting rip from just outside fifty and nailing it.
Hard to see Whiley being anything other than the 'almost' man. Busy, gets amongst it, hard, strong but just has no polish or, seemingly, understanding of our game. His stats, sadly, flatter his influence on the game. And that is the bottom line, he cannot seriously influence a game and as a midfielder, you gotta do that!
Jed Lamb started like a house on fire. Influential, impressive early and then just petered out.
I saw something from Cuningham which really concerned me, even caused a groan from CFC supporters around us. Later in the game, in the guts, contest at his feet and he avoided it; the hard physicality of diving in to advantage/represent his team. I really wanted to see today something from 'Cunners' which said -- senior football potential. His skills are apparent as he did some effective things today. Effective, not outstanding. And later in the game when the real heat was applied and we needed blokes to stand up and demand the game back on our terms, he was one who went missing. I'm worried.
Rainbow was impressive in patches today. He ran hard, tried hard and gave his best... but let us down (along with many of his mates) with poor decisions and disposal under pressure. I like that he is willing to be hard at the contest.
Clem Smith is another 'almost' kinda guy. There is palpable improvement in his game from earlier in the year. He did so much today that had terrific intention, excited the crowd with his endeavour but amounted to very little in terms of impact and hurt on the opposition. If he improved as much again next year as this year he'd be a real proposition, for a second tier competition.
Tutt got plenty of disposals but the hard reality is, that's all he can do. He does not hurt the opposition with his disposal/influence. Goodbye.
Korcheck. Sorry, I don't want to ruin the romance but, nuh.
Folks, I looked out over our group at one stage today and then commented to Mrs Baggers (god bless her coming with me which she let me know won't happen again this year), 'I really cannot see any more than 2-3 of these blokes being here next year.' And that is a huge worry...
Thanks for your ever thoughtful comprehensive report Baggers (and to Mrs Baggers - must have the patience of a saint).
The positive out of these late games is that it sorts the 'have' from the 'have not' players. Sounds like we have a glut of the latter, which will make it easy for List Management to let those young fellas loose, knowing they've had their chances. I guess you'd expect further wholesale changes given the state of the 2015 list, 1 year into a re-build.
No doubt exasperating to watch :-[
Hardly a positive from this game made worse by the fact we played an ordinary side on our dung heap.
The mistakes, more specifically, the poor decisions made by our blokes today were breathtaking. The old Gardiner Stand almost collapsed under the collective groans at some of the horrible errors we made gifting an ordinary Tiggers outfit, goals.
No-one put in a performance that demanded senior consideration, even Everitt, Jones, Jaksch and Whiley - good reserves performances.
Losing McKay was a big blow, probably not so much for this game but more for the chance of him having a taste of senior footy before the year is out. He didn't join the boys in the qtr time huddle and jogged the boundary stretching his groins, particularly the left. Guess we'll know what it means early next week. He was a contributor in the first qtr but not imposing.
Jaksch had to do some hard running today and fair dinkum he runs as if he's got a small tree shoved up his clacker reaching all the way to the top of his head... and is too slow. However, he was quite handy in the first half down back with his marking; took some strong marks. And in the second half he kicked a ripper goal. Sorry, but, what were we thinking? Very hard to see him at PP next year.
What a paradox Everitt is. Clearly a class above most at times in this game but can't stick a tackle at this level either and he knows it. Saw him miss an easy tackle and curse himself... good sign that he cursed himself, bad sign that his defensive game is still so poor. But he worked hard and credit given where it is due, his offensive game is very good. Found space, got himself out on his own up forward, took some very good grabs, is a reliable kick for goal and his disposals by foot were effective. It's like 2/3rds of his game is very good but the other important 1/3 is a void and ultimately costs his team.
Gee Liam Jones did some good things today... great pack marks, crashing packs, chasing down blokes and then went missing for extended periods - career summary. I thought he was our best ahead of Everitt based on hard physicality at the contest which I personally value highly in our gladiatorial game. Everitt's lack of physicality is a terrible liability when the game is hard and in the balance. If we could merge these two somehow, we'd have a proper senior footballer. When we were in trouble Everitt could not be found.
(No Gorringe)
McKasker did some very good things today and we saw glimpses of excellent defensive work, BUT he does seem to have contracted Bellitis - charging off with the ball in hand oblivious to what is around him and getting caught. And this undoes some of his good work. Like to see him given strong coaching/direction next year.
Foster. Goodbye.
Wood. Goodbye.
I can't help but wonder what Billy Gowers would be like with senior footballers around him. He was a lone loud voice at times today urging on his team mates with genuine passion, in fact many times during this game he appeared to be just about the only NBs bloke who gave a fck. Yes he gave away dumb free kicks with his overly zealous attack on the footy and opponent but on more than one occasion he had two or three opponents hanging off him as he fought them and hardly a team mate coming to his aid. He kicked the goal of the day early in the game when dashing through the guts, bouncing and letting rip from just outside fifty and nailing it.
Hard to see Whiley being anything other than the 'almost' man. Busy, gets amongst it, hard, strong but just has no polish or, seemingly, understanding of our game. His stats, sadly, flatter his influence on the game. And that is the bottom line, he cannot seriously influence a game and as a midfielder, you gotta do that!
Jed Lamb started like a house on fire. Influential, impressive early and then just petered out.
I saw something from Cuningham which really concerned me, even caused a groan from CFC supporters around us. Later in the game, in the guts, contest at his feet and he avoided it; the hard physicality of diving in to advantage/represent his team. I really wanted to see today something from 'Cunners' which said -- senior football potential. His skills are apparent as he did some effective things today. Effective, not outstanding. And later in the game when the real heat was applied and we needed blokes to stand up and demand the game back on our terms, he was one who went missing. I'm worried.
Rainbow was impressive in patches today. He ran hard, tried hard and gave his best... but let us down (along with many of his mates) with poor decisions and disposal under pressure. I like that he is willing to be hard at the contest.
Clem Smith is another 'almost' kinda guy. There is palpable improvement in his game from earlier in the year. He did so much today that had terrific intention, excited the crowd with his endeavour but amounted to very little in terms of impact and hurt on the opposition. If he improved as much again next year as this year he'd be a real proposition, for a second tier competition.
Tutt got plenty of disposals but the hard reality is, that's all he can do. He does not hurt the opposition with his disposal/influence. Goodbye.
Korcheck. Sorry, I don't want to ruin the romance but, nuh.
Folks, I looked out over our group at one stage today and then commented to Mrs Baggers (god bless her coming with me which she let me know won't happen again this year), 'I really cannot see any more than 2-3 of these blokes being here next year.' And that is a huge worry...
Thanks for the report, Baggers. Sorry you didn't have anything better to write about. But for the 2nd week in a row we gave up. Must frustrate a lot of people. I know what it means to me. I look for the future and all that is there is the mistakes of the past. :(
Did you see anything of Jake Bradley in the Development game?
Like to see Gowers promoted and given a chance to show something at senior level....given he is playing with a banana plantation I can excuse mistakes if they are made with effort and pride in the jumper...he looks a player and we need some players who have a go and do the basics well...senior footy might teach him awareness and get some rough edges off him...
I think Cunningham was recruited for his outside work ie run and carry so I am prepared to cut him some slack especially as he has had no continuity to his season
and probably lacks some confidence...the knock on him was always going to be the physical aspect to his game as it is with DVR and IMO as it is with Blaine Boekhorst although I know others dont agree on the latter...you can probably carry one or two run and carry types who dont show much interest in the hard stuff but they have to be brilliant at their run and carry work to justify selection...
Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Northern Blues 6.0 10.1 11.1 13.3 (81)
Richmond 6.2 10.4 14.7 19.11 (125)
GOALS:
Northern Blues: Everitt 5 Jones 2 Jaksch Gowers Korcheck Totevski Kerbatieh Lamb
Richmond : McBean 4 Lambert 3 Lennon 3 Butler Darley Cousins Broad Menadue Elton Aarts Chol Couch
BEST:
Northern Blues: [color=limegreen[Everitt Jones[/color] Wilson Whiley Jaksch Tutt
Richmond : Lambert Broad Elton Lennon McBean Ballard
Not much to get excited about looking at this. Richmond's best should be with us, but....
Peter Jackson VFL 2016
Northern Blues 6.0 10.1 11.1 13.3 (81)
Richmond 6.2 10.4 14.7 19.11 (125)
GOALS:
Northern Blues: Everitt 5 Jones 2 Jaksch Gowers Korcheck Totevski Kerbatieh Lamb
Richmond : McBean 4 Lambert 3 Lennon 3 Butler Darley Cousins Broad Menadue Elton Aarts Chol Couch
BEST:
Northern Blues: [color=limegreen[Everitt Jones[/color] Wilson Whiley Jaksch Tutt
Richmond : Lambert Broad Elton Lennon McBean Ballard
Not much to get excited about looking at this. Richmond's best should be with us, but....
Lambert 3 goals and BOG?..... ;)
@Baggers
Thanks for the report Baggers (and to your wife for sitting through what sounded like quite an ordeal!). A very interesting but depressing insight into where we are currently on our rebuild journey.
We really don't sound as if we have much of a foundation in place on which to build our future so we still have a way to go in building something solid there. If we don't get that really sorted out then bringing in a few "stars" could well prove to be unproductive a big potential waste. Sounds like we really need to establish an upgraded and even spread of talent across the board first! It's just not there atm.
Trading and drafting are doubtless going to be busy and fascinating times.
Baggers, thanks for that. I really enjoy reading your detailed summaries.
Keep em coming.
I'm wondering....
- have some blokes recently been given the you're-not-required nod?
- is the inconsistency a function of adjustment? (Knock off one of the big boys, have 4th qtr fadeouts)
Baggers tells the story of the game as accurately as can be. We've not got much smarts in the ressies and there'd be few tears if we lost 20 of them. Beyond the lack of nous, the failure of cohesion and consistent thoughtful effort is the killer. Fraser was furious at 3/4 time about the faffing around between the arcs and sprayed em for it. But it was too late to get them focused by then.
Couple of things. Kerbatieh shows a bit but needs intense fitness and tactical coaching if he's to make it as he, like others, went missing after a promising start. Fraser either sees something in Korcheck or the brains trust does and he's been told to encourage him, as that's what happened. Gets across the ground OK, considering, but will need a few years yet. The Jones conundrum must do others' heads in just as much as our own. Either impressive or invisible. Not much in between.
Oh and Jake Bradley, of what little I saw of the last development quarter, wasn't out of place. Wish I'd seen the whole game. Pretty small and light but that's to be expected.
Thanks Baggers.
Sounds like a good , honest appraisal of where the NBs are at.
The situation sounds dire.
I hope there are some prospects left in the latter part of the draft.
Cheers Baggers , for us out off "staters" its nice to have some feedback on the 2's , but doesn't sound healthy. Seems like common theme it lack of commitment for 4 qtr pls from many players , lack of consistency & combining that with skill & talent issues , so we have a problem. Agree re Everitt, best option for goals for us, and might need to carry that into next year, at least he can kick them and has genuine forward nous , lack on many others. Seems like it might be a deeper cull once again as the ratio of players we were hoping to kick on hasn't happened, might even put us back another year
Baggers tells the story of the game as accurately as can be. We've not got much smarts in the ressies and there'd be few tears if we lost 20 of them. Beyond the lack of nous, the failure of cohesion and consistent thoughtful effort is the killer. Fraser was furious at 3/4 time about the faffing around between the arcs and sprayed em for it. But it was too late to get them focused by then.
Couple of things. Kerbatieh shows a bit but needs intense fitness and tactical coaching if he's to make it as he, like others, went missing after a promising start. Fraser either sees something in Korcheck or the brains trust does and he's been told to encourage him, as that's what happened. Gets across the ground OK, considering, but will need a few years yet. The Jones conundrum must do others' heads in just as much as our own. Either impressive or invisible. Not much in between.
Oh and Jake Bradley, of what little I saw of the last development quarter, wasn't out of place. Wish I'd seen the whole game. Pretty small and light but that's to be expected.
But look at the big picture, there's a god chance a lot of the fringe CFC listed players have been told their papers have been stamped - their career as an AFL player pretty much certainly over (in a lot of instances) even before it again.
In that circumstance, how hard would you be trying out there?
I reckon that a lot of our younger players need something that they just don't get these days - time in the system. Ed Curnow is a classic example - spent time at two clubs prior to making our rookie list, and years later is having a break out year.
For some they need time to develop a true fitness/endurance base (Buckley) or an AFL-ready body (Silvagni). Others just seem to be the wrong size or lack important attributes - they unfortunately won't make it. I still reckon that Gowers and DVR et al. can make it if they want it badly enough.
Great report baggers. The tail end of the season can produce some pretty dismal results. Of the games i have seen the NBs play this year it has been good to see a similar style to the seniors being attempted. If this alignment contines and gets more solid it is important to building the required platform for player development.
Gotta feel for Josh Fraser. The third qtr effort was bad enough but to capitulate in the last must have deeply disappointed him and probably also infuriated him.
Earlier in the year even if we were defeated there was fair dinkum effort, but not yesterday. Wouldn't blame Wilson if he went looking elsewhere for 2017.
Speculating that some have been told they're going and or are pretty aware of it, should, you'd hope, fire them up to impress another suitor if nothing else . But it can also make you play selfish, maybe that was a part of what we dished up yesterday.
I went there yesterday really hoping to see 'green shoots' and then pass on the good news. At least the pies were good.
@Baggers
Thanks for the report Baggers (and to your wife for sitting through what sounded like quite an ordeal!). A very interesting but depressing insight into where we are currently on our rebuild journey.
We really don't sound as if we have much of a foundation in place on which to build our future so we still have a way to go in building something solid there. If we don't get that really sorted out then bringing in a few "stars" could well prove to be unproductive a big potential waste. Sounds like we really need to establish an upgraded and even spread of talent across the board first! It's just not there atm.
Trading and drafting are doubtless going to be busy and fascinating times.
Less fascinating than last year. We don't have the likes of Hendo and Yarran to trade for decent picks. Can't just delist that many otherwise you're using pick 120 to replace them to fill the list. All done over a few years. We'll focus on mids this yr.
Less fascinating than last year. We don't have the likes of Hendo and Yarran to trade for decent picks. Can't just delist that many otherwise you're using pick 120 to replace them to fill the list. All done over a few years. We'll focus on mids this yr.
The fascination lies in the level of talent and the quality rather than in the sheer numbers.
The fascination lies in the level of talent and the quality rather than in the sheer numbers.
We might use a pick to get 4 GWS blokes again, maybe a better group than previous if it's Tomlinson, Marchbank, Steele and Stewart. That'd allow for more change in regards to delisting a few more.
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We might use a pick to get 4 GWS blokes again, maybe a better group than previous if it's Tomlinson, Marchbank, Steele and Stewart. That'd allow for more change in regards to delisting a few more.
Agree....got to be better than what we have on the list at the minute....
Agree....got to be better than what we have on the list at the minute....
A couple of key position players and a couple of mids in that lot and they were all high draft picks.
A couple of key position players and a couple of mids in that lot and they were all high draft picks.
Jim..Dont have to sell the idea me ;) I just hope we have the currency to get some deals done....
Jim..Dont have to sell the idea me ;) I just hope we have the currency to get some deals done....
From today's showing there would not be much, apart from the perennial favourite!
From today's showing there would not be much, apart from the perennial favourite!
Like last year, they might not want alot with both salary cap pressure now as well as wanting the points for academy kids. They'll be looking to offload badly. A 2nd and 3rd round pick would be the equivalent to a first round pick to them given it goes to a gun academy kid.
Like last year, they might not want alot with both salary cap pressure now as well as wanting the points for academy kids. They'll be looking to offload badly. A 2nd and 3rd round pick would be the equivalent to a first round pick to them given it goes to a gun academy kid.
Yep
But we may not be the only suitors in such a race this year....so it might not be so cheap.
I suspect other clubs will now be looking at the GWS well and seeing that it's a pretty deep one.
Silvagni's 'inside running' may not be so useful this time around.
Yep
But we may not be the only suitors in such a race this year....so it might not be so cheap.
I suspect other clubs will now be looking at the GWS well and seeing that it's a pretty deep one.
Silvagni's 'inside running' may not be so useful this time around.
Depends where they want to go. If some or all want to go to Carlton the GWS will need to deal with us.
I think we're looking at Jaeger O'Meara closely, I was told it was a done deal but I doubt that.
He'll cost a lot of money and there's a risk involved, but we sure do need a young, classy midfielder.
Depends where they want to go. If some or all want to go to Carlton the GWS will need to deal with us.
Hopefully any prospective players don't watch today's game.
I'd be trying something slightly different this week against Brisbane.
Bring in Jones, Everitt, Whiley and Gowers. Is Murphy ready???
Send Tuohy forward, Gowers to half-back/wing in place of.
Casboult, Jones, Everitt go forward.
Walker out obviously.
Everitt to play wing/forward roaming role. Silvagni up forward also.
Not sold on the Kreuzer/Phillips thing.
I wouldn't mind seeing the future ruck in Phillips given a free crack at it by himself. Tom Hickey got this at the Saints after they tried the Hickey/Longer ruck combo and it just didn't work. One works with a tall forward to give a chop out at times. Sometimes, some blokes like the feeling of being the 'no.1' bloke and I get the feeling Andrew Phillips is like that and needs to be given that opportunity. He's got some dirt about him too which I like.
Kreuzer to be 'rested'.
Let Whiley play with Cripps. I'd like to see them in tandem onball.
I'm still a bit keen on seeing Docherty play onball too.
So my 'outs' would then be - Walker, Kreuzer, Graham + one more which I'll have to have a think about. You could raffle it! White?? One of Buckley/Boekhorst?
I'd be trying something slightly different this week against Brisbane.
Bring in Jones, Everitt, Whiley and Gowers. Is Murphy ready???
Send Tuohy forward, Gowers to half-back/wing in place of.
Casboult, Jones, Everitt go forward.
Walker out obviously.
Everitt to play wing/forward roaming role. Silvagni up forward also.
Not sold on the Kreuzer/Phillips thing.
I wouldn't mind seeing the future ruck in Phillips given a free crack at it by himself. Tom Hickey got this at the Saints after they tried the Hickey/Longer ruck combo and it just didn't work. One works with a tall forward to give a chop out at times. Sometimes, some blokes like the feeling of being the 'no.1' bloke and I get the feeling Andrew Phillips is like that and needs to be given that opportunity. He's got some dirt about him too which I like.
Kreuzer to be 'rested'.
Let Whiley play with Cripps. I'd like to see them in tandem onball.
I'm still a bit keen on seeing Docherty play onball too.
So my 'outs' would then be - Walker, Kreuzer, Graham + one more which I'll have to have a think about. You could raffle it! White?? One of Buckley/Boekhorst?
I like the boldness of your suggestions, though we've been quite conservative with selection this year so doubt there would be such wholesale changes. Plus BB sees our poor effort yesterday, hopefully, as being a one-off.
Apparently Murphy will be ready and if so, Graham would be the obvious demotion. And you would think that Walker's replacement for this Saturday will be Everitt.
I do like the idea of giving Gowers a go down back and releasing Tuohy to the wing which means Buckley or Boekhorst have to go to the NBs (personally I'd send Buckley back and persist with Boekhorst).
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Jaksch and Cuningham appear to be stories on the positive side: both got more ball than they have recently. 9 marks to Jones also looks positive. 5 possessions to Smith is a disaster.
Send Tuohy forward, Gowers to half-back/wing in place of.
I'd pay good money to see someone try Touhy somewhere other than the backline. Not sure why he has never been given a go on the half forward or in particular wing where he seems a natural fit. Such a strong player, fast and a long kick + good shot for goal. Perfect wingman.
I'd pay good money to see someone try Touhy somewhere other than the backline. Not sure why he has never been given a go on the half forward or in particular wing where he seems a natural fit. Such a strong player, fast and a long kick + good shot for goal. Perfect wingman.
Could do a lot worse than try him there.
I'd pay good money to see someone try Touhy somewhere other than the backline. Not sure why he has never been given a go on the half forward or in particular wing where he seems a natural fit. Such a strong player, fast and a long kick + good shot for goal. Perfect wingman.
x2...very loose half back but the attacking side of his game is what makes him as a player and I agree the wing would suit him...its not like we dont have plenty of half back options either..
Unfortunately he's very much a straight line player, which plays yo his strength of kicking long when he has his momentum up.
He would not be as effective on the turn.
I'd argue he has to do a lot more around the corner stuff running deep into the back pocket than if he were on the wing. Seems a strange limitation to raise when you don't know because he's never been tried there. May not work but it is odd that it hasn't even been tried.
Some blokes need to ran at the ball and keep running, further up the ground you need to head back towards goal after getting the pill and some blokes struggle with that nuance of the game.
It's elementary.
The argument of attacking half backs or wing backs across codes has been brought up over and over again with usually the same results.
These players benefit from a few things.
1. They see the game unfold ahead of them which means that they have more time to make better decisions in terms of when to attack and when not to. This can be pivot.
2. They usually are accountable for a man, who can be unaccountable as forwards often don't defend well hence why we use specific defensive forwards. Get them up the ground all of a sudden they have more difficulty getting time and space as well as possession as their opponents can be much more accountable players making life more difficult.
3. The ball comes at you often when the opposition are in possession making winning the ball easier. Much different when you need to draw the ball up field.
I'm not saying don't try it, but I'd say we may have and no one noticed because it might not have worked that well.
It's elementary.
The argument of attacking half backs or wing backs across codes has been brought up over and over again with usually the same results.
These players benefit from a few things.
They hold he entire fate of the team in their hands, they have to win the ball, then they have to hit the target.
It's 80% of the game result in their hands!
They hold he entire fate of the team in their hands, they have to win the ball, then they have to hit the target.
It's 80% of the game result in their hands!
Precisely. It's why moving people from half back up the ground can have mixed results.
I.e. Dylan Buckley.
Fine playing off half back, putrid closer to goals.
Tuohy is better off half back and might be better closer to goals, but then we need a Tuohy replacement.