Can't fail with this heading.
Lots of calls for delistings but realistically you can only pick up 4 good players a year, 5 if all the stars align but that hasn't happened at Carlton since the year Sticks came over from Adelaide.
The players in the seniors today who aren't up to it are as good as we can put on the park, Charlie Curnow and Murphy will replace two of them and Byrne another one when and if he gets back from his knee, but there's no talent in the seconds to replace the other half dozen that need to be moved on.
Vojo and Clem Smith are almost certain to be delisted, Walks has retired and Jamison almost definitely will, that leaves another six or so maximum, and there's players like Lamb, Jones, Whiley, Tutt, Dick, Jaksch and Foster on our senior list who don't look capable of carving out an AFL career.
Most of the second raters who played in the seniors today will still be at Carlton next season, it's going to be a very slow process overhauling our list.
Lots of calls for delistings but realistically you can only pick up 4 good players a year, 5 if all the stars align but that hasn't happened at Carlton since the year Sticks came over from Adelaide.
The players in the seniors today who aren't up to it are as good as we can put on the park, Charlie Curnow and Murphy will replace two of them and Byrne another one when and if he gets back from his knee, but there's no talent in the seconds to replace the other half dozen that need to be moved on.
Vojo and Clem Smith are almost certain to be delisted, Walks has retired and Jamison almost definitely will, that leaves another six or so maximum, and there's players like Lamb, Jones, Whiley, Tutt, Dick, Jaksch and Foster on our senior list who don't look capable of carving out an AFL career.
Most of the second raters who played in the seniors today will still be at Carlton next season, it's going to be a very slow process overhauling our list.
Then you have to see who's still contracted too. Lamb, Jones, Jaksch are still contracted. Most of the others may go being out of contract. Given we used pick 7 on Jaksch, or basically downggraded it to 19, i'd say at 21yo, still physically developing, we'd persist a little longer given he's had a good VFL year. Given our structure and inability to do anything up forward we did him a favour leaving him in the VFL rather than destroying his confidence in the seniors. Could end up playing in defence.
If you delist too many you can't replace them too quick otherwise you end up picking at pick 120 to fill the list.
If you delist too many you can't replace them too quick otherwise you end up picking at pick 120 to fill the list.
Or picking up rejects and fringe players who rarely measure up.
That's all I was saying really, most of the blokes who played in the seniors today will still be at the club next season.
The most glaring problem apart from our inability to score is our skill level, but it's not easy or quick to address, we've only got about half a dozen reliable kicks in the team.
Jaksch doesn't look like an AFL footballer to me and he's been in the system 4 years, he'll probably stay if he's contracted but I can't see him playing much senior football.
In an ideal world Casboult would be moved on as well, unless he's kicking multiple goals he's a liability but the cupboard is bare so he'll probably survive as well.
Or picking up rejects and fringe players who rarely measure up.
That's all I was saying really, most of the blokes who played in the seniors today will still be at the club next season.
The most glaring problem apart from our inability to score is our skill level, but it's not easy or quick to address, we've only got about half a dozen reliable kicks in the team.
Yes, only get rid of a few at a time. Hopefully as you list improves though they end up playing NBs until they go.
Like I said, I think out team structure hurts our scoring. We went back to what failed the first 4 rounds, not what succeeded the next 7 weeks after that. We don't select a side to match our strengths. When we picked the right side we didn't have alot of trouble scoring.
SOS has the biggest job in town and we need some luck.
We are missing big quality around the wings and half forward flanks.
Other than Murphy, Byrne and Curnow to come into the team we need abit of luck with Cunningham and McKay
Other than that the list is too threadbare we need to move on seven players I think to build the depth on the list. Daisy has one more year to go on his contract and won't be going anywhere considering the money he is on.
Daisy has one more year to go on his contract and won't be going anywhere considering the money he is on.
Daisy wouldn't be going anywhere even if he wasn't contracted, he's averaging about 20 touches a game this season and at least can use the ball when he gets it.
He'll play out his career at Carlton, whether that's another two years, three years or more time will tell but he won't be getting paid what he is now in 2018.
Very very flat this week - just did not look motivated. Going through the motions late in the season I guess against a lively Saints outfit which showed better skills and greater interest. Hopefully we can spark up and play a lot better next week. :(
Was Walker crying at the end because he was retiring or because he'd just played arguably his most ineffective, worst game of his career?
Btw - Dale Thomas, do the honourable thing and follow Walker's lead into retirement....please.
A lot of players played their worst games of the year.....some of those have enough credits in the bank to be excused.....others do not: Boekhorst, Buckley, Graham, Kreuzer, Phillips, Casboult, Thomas.
Does Weitering have a sore foot or something? Too many handballs, too often, when his most effective weapon is his leg.
Can any of us remember an opposition team taking THAT many marks inside their F50.......terrible, terrible, terrible.
Horrible use of the ball today, horrible accountability to their opponents (Sam Kerridge, you're excused), horrible decision-making, horrible intensity......just fcuking horrible all round. From the very first bounce, this game was simply horrible for us.......my least enjoyable day at the footy all year bar none.
HORRIBLE!!!
Never been a fan, has always been ordinary. Many posters were adamant it was MMs fault and that Graham would make it and be a gun. He is a VFL player at best. Should never play another game again.
And as far as giving fair well games, I've changed my mind as that was a complete fail and an embarrassment. Games should be earnt no matter what. I also hope Daisy does the honourable thing also and announces his retirement effective immediately.
..... most of the blokes who played in the seniors today will still be at the club next season.
Yep
The major culling will come from those that can't make this side.
But I suspect, as you point out in a later post, there will be a few who played to-day who will spend most of their time playing for the NB's next year.
That was awful.
We didn't come to play today and that showed in the effort.
If we can hold up Sydney and Hawthorn players there's no excuse for letting St Kilda players waltz through and around us.
Yep
The major culling will come from those that can't make this side.
But I suspect, as you point out in a later post, there will be a few who played to-day who will spend most of their time playing for the NB's next year.
That was awful.
We didn't come to play today and that showed in the effort.
If we can hold up Sydney and Hawthorn players there's no excuse for letting St Kilda players waltz through and around us.
I was behind the goals at the Punt Rd end in P6. Perfect spot to watch the set ups, ball movement etc . Gee we made dumb decisions, all day from the first bounce. Utterly terrible today, worst game I have seen in a long time. StK looked like they had 3 more blokes on the ground.
As someone else said, 2E, Doc, Cripps and Simmo, then the length of the Flemmington straight to the next. And even those made some fundamental errors but can walk off the ground with there heads held high.
Tutt, Whiley, Smith, DVR, Foster, Dick, Jones is seven changes already.
Gowers and Byrne promotion.. five picks in national draft not happening unless we trade out someone.
Yep
The major culling will come from those that can't make this side.
But I suspect, as you point out in a later post, there will be a few who played to-day who will spend most of their time playing for the NB's next year.
The only NB's player I think could make it, apart from a few first year players who need to be cut some slack, is Liam Sumner.
He has some pace and skill but he needs to improve by 40 or 50%, whether he can is another matter.
From the little VFL I've seen Vojo looks OK to me as well but the club has a different opinion of him than I do it seems.
That was awful.
We didn't come to play today and that showed in the effort.
If we can hold up Sydney and Hawthorn players there's no excuse for letting St Kilda players waltz through and around us.
We go much better is a tight, hard slog, if teams can break the game open our lack of pace and foot skills get exposed.
Never been a fan, has always been ordinary. Many posters were adamant it was MMs fault and that Graham would make it and be a gun. He is a VFL player at best. Should never play another game again.
And as far as giving fair well games, I've changed my mind as that was a complete fail and an embarrassment. Games should be earnt no matter what. I also hope Daisy does the honourable thing also and announces his retirement effective immediately.
I think Graham is done and dusted...too slow at this level and doesnt have the Sam Mitchell skill level to make up for it....
re: Thomas....agree with Brettie....gone as a player but with a year left will we are stuck with him.....did support Kerridge when Steven and another Sant were roughing him up but he isnt giving us 750k's worth every week and is a bust...
Simon White...only target he will ever hit is at a night club and it wouldnt want to be moving....
Thought we won the hitouts but didnt seem to get much impact from it...
Kade Simpson....dont leave us mate, along with Cripps and Doherty you are the only thing between us and the bottom of the ladder....
Buckley and Boekhorst can join Graham and White in the out tray at seasons end.....
Tutt, Whiley, Smith, DVR, Foster, Dick, Jones is seven changes already.
Gowers and Byrne promotion.. five picks in national draft not happening unless we trade out someone.
Jones is contracted but you can add Walker and Jamison.
I think Graham is done and dusted...too slow at this level and doesnt have the Sam Mitchell skill level to make up for it....
100% EB, Mitchell creates time and space, Graham is just a waste of space.
nine changes is too much i admire sos's talent but asking for miracles to nail pick 82, 100, and 118
Too many of our players are either one trick ponies or half baked footballers - I won't name them as it's futile. They can do one thing to an adequate level, but seem deficient in other key areas.
Very depressing game. Too much left to too few.
I think Casboult, Phillips, Gorringe, Rowe and McKay would need to ruck next two years and trade Kreuzer and find a proper ruck in 2019.
nine changes is too much i admire sos's talent but asking for miracles to nail pick 82, 100, and 118
We have to look more at free agency, you can't build a team of 18 year olds from scratch unless your drafting is freakish, and ours has been woeful.
Players like Steve Johnson, you might only get two seasons out of him but his onfield leadership and what he can teach the kids in those two seasons is invaluable.
And he was cheap.
I think Casboult, Phillips, Gorringe, Rowe and McKay would need to ruck next two years and trade Kreuzer and find a proper ruck in 2019.
We looked at trading Kreuzer last year, didn't work. Mckay isn't ready to ruck but will play some next year, Casboult should be rucking with Kreuzer, then you'll see both improve alot when played to their strengths, don't need two as it's useless to us. Means we could play another key forward too. Not only that Everitt kicks goals as the defence are looking after the two key forwards. He kicked heaps when we had two keys forwards but bugger all when we had one. Right now, playing 2 rucks and just one key forward, rather than having 2 players doing well, we have 3 players struggling, which is alot out of 18. A bad structure works it's way down the chain.
Not sure if Bolton is bringing over that method from Hawthorn, two rucks and Roughead, but it won't work here. To start with Hale could play forward as well as he could play ruck, Roughead is a gun, unlike Levi, they had other gun forwards, gun mids and were essentially a gun side. That's not Carlton, our rucks are useless when not on the ball leaving Casboult to carrying the can up forward and while he has been decent in his 4 years in the seniors he's far from good enough to do that on his own.
nine changes is too much i admire sos's talent but asking for miracles to nail pick 82, 100, and 118
I'd rather take my chances on pick 118 than, Tutt, Jones etc etc......
I'd rather go with picks 82 100 and 118 in preference to persisting with blokes with just aren't up to it at this level. Maybe we could pick some tall kids and leave in the 2's to develop longer term as KP players.
We looked at trading Kreuzer last year, didn't work.
No they didnt.
I'd rather take my chances on pick 118 than, Tutt, Jones etc etc......
The thing is that any player taken in the National Draft gets two years minimum on the list, so pick 80 or 90 usually just take up space.
The last good player we drafted after pick 50 was Ryan Houlihan in 1999.
The thing is that any player taken in the National Draft gets two years minimum on the list, so pick 80 or 90 usually just take up space.
The last good player we drafted after pick 50 was Ryan Houlihan in 1999.
Thought Eddie Betts was a fair get in the PSD...
Are we tanking or is Bolton still convinced that just the one recognised tall forward is the way to go? Basically setup exactly the same way we did the last time we played them with pretty much an identical result (scoreline last time flattered us)......is he a moron or are we 'doing an Essendon' ??? ?
Play like that next week & I'd give Brisbane half a chance.....
No they didnt.
I'm sure he'd be at the Pies bar a failed fitness test.
I'm sure he'd be at the Pies bar a failed fitness test.
All BS.
Games like these I wish we'd revive the W.O.G. award.......
Are we tanking or is Bolton still convinced that just the one recognised tall forward is the way to go? Basically setup exactly the same way we did the last time we played them with pretty much an identical result (scoreline last time flattered us)......is he a moron or are we 'doing an Essendon' ??? ?
Play like that next week & I'd give Brisbane half a chance.....
I ask the same question. Ok if you have Fev but while Levi's been ok he won't holding up any forward line on his own any time soon. All we are doing is ripping his confidence to pieces. I look at the structure from rounds 5-11, when we won 6, compare it to now, which is the same as rounds 1-4, where we couldn't win or score either. Surely Bolton and the MC can see something so simple. We can.
Games like these I wish we'd revive the W.O.G. award.......
You'd have have a few duplicate medals cast after today's game.
All BS.
Some say BS others say it's true. Guess we'll never know.
Anyway, doesn't matter.
Thought Eddie Betts was a fair get in the PSD...
So was Nick Stevens, but he sort of fell in our lap when Port refused to trade him to Collingwood for a cold pie.
Dragged the Mrs along today to see the most insipid putrid performance. Not only were the skills of the turnover merchants deplorable but I think a few are morons as well. Why kick straight to the opposition when your under no pressure?
At least the Mrs was happy, she barracks for the Saints although she wasn't happy with my mood. lol
This game was Malthouse-esque, no effort bar a couple, no structure, no run just nothing and as soon as I heard that Walker took 3 weeks off to get himself right for this game then I knew it would happen. It would be different if we were a Geelong, Sydney or Hawthorn who have all played together for a long period of time, but in that team Simmo, Gibbs, Kreuzer were about the only players left from the Ratten era when we had a little success. The other players could only really pay lip service to Walker as a player and with many feeling the cold hand of professional death on their shoulder, they were playing for themselves.
St Kilda, played this game with a couple of flankers a few KP players and a crap load of mids, all of whom could kick and run and hit targets, compared to us. When your back pocket is your leading goal kicker for the game, but failed to curtail his man in defence then something is very wrong. We need about another 6 mids in the team each week who have skills, not Buckley, Graham, Touhy etc.
The longer we rely on Casboult up forward, the longer we will languish on the bottom of the ladder. If rumours are true and Essendon want him then their 3rd rounder will do nicely. Same with Touhy and the Swans, second rounder please, both will be mid 30's and hopefully we can group them for points that can help a GWS type scenario again.
Yes we are 20 games into a 66 game rebuild but in the previous games we gave a yelp, this was pitiful. Let's get Cunningham in he can't be any worse that Graham, let's get McKay in, they may not be ready but I'd be happy to see a forward line of Casboult, Jones and McKay. Get Lamb back in, at least he's got some mongrel in him and attacks the play and can stick a tackle.
Plowman gets a game on borrowed time only, although with the retirement of Walker, elevate Glass-McCasker, play him down back with Rowe, Weitering and Plowman. Give him a taste and see what he does.
I know they are not ready and not doing that much down in the two's, however I have a theory on why the NB's suck so bad, some have been given the tap on the shoulder and their heart is not in it anymore. If this is the case get our young guys away from a negative environment into the firsts against a young side.
Hang your head in shame Carlton, I thought this sort of team was a thing of the past. You are included in this Bolton, team selection was terrible. You played two crocks in Walker and Thomas who look slower than Brock McLean did, at least Brock had the smarts to get to an open space.
Some say BS others say it's true. Guess we'll never know.
Anyway, doesn't matter.
Pies/Dogs viewed his previous medical reports/scans etc..there were no medical tests conducted by those clubs....
This game was Malthouse-esque
St Kilda, played this game with a couple of flankers a few KP players and a crap load of mids, all of whom could kick and run and hit targets, compared to us.
When your back pocket is your leading goal kicker for the game, but failed to curtail his man in defence then something is very wrong.
The longer we rely on Casboult up forward, the longer we will languish on the bottom of the ladder.
Yes we are 20 games into a 66 game rebuild but in the previous games we gave a yelp, this was pitiful.
Let's get Cunningham in he can't be any worse that Graham, let's get McKay in, they may not be ready but I'd be happy to see a forward line of Casboult, Jones and McKay.
Hang your head in shame Carlton, I thought this sort of team was a thing of the past. You are included in this Bolton, team selection was terrible. You played two crocks in Walker and Thomas who look slower than Brock McLean did, at least Brock had the smarts to get to an open space.
Some salient points there Raydan
Hang your head in shame Carlton, I thought this sort of team was a thing of the past. You are included in this Bolton, team selection was terrible.
While I agree to a point, I expect the decision to play Walker was out of Bolts hands.
While I agree to a point, I expect the decision to play Walker was out of Bolts hands.
Possible but playing Daisy with him made a slow and unskilled team even worse.
Is it a coincidence that Daisy and Walker have been out for 3 weeks and in that time we have pushed the grand finalists from last season and a favourite for this year?
Pies/Dogs viewed his previous medical reports/scans etc..there were no medical tests conducted by those clubs....
Saw them and decided no I take it.
While I agree to a point, I expect the decision to play Walker was out of Bolts hands.
Team selection has been ordinary for a while, actually for a few years.
Possible but playing Daisy with him made a slow and unskilled team even worse.
Is it a coincidence that Daisy and Walker have been out for 3 weeks and in that time we have pushed the grand finalists from last season and a favourite for this year?
No.
While I agree to a point, I expect the decision to play Walker was out of Bolts hands.
Well it feckin shouldn't be!! If it was, nothing has changed and all the good work has been undone to some extent. Initially, I thought great, he gets a farewell game after all the years of hard work and great commitment to the CFC. Having watched him today? I would imagine both Andrew and the Club would have done it differently. Hindsight is a wonderful thing however I would have been prouder saluting and clapping Andrew on a wonderful career whilst he paraded around on the back of a car. I felt sad watching a man who wasn't a patch on his former self. His team mates did him no favours whatsoever which is the biggest dissapointment for mine. AW deserved a much better send off.
And can I just say this. Whilst my expectations were fairly low for this year, the patch where we won some games made me reset (no pun intended) my expectations. I thought that we had finally clicked and that we would finish the year strong. i thought the more the year went on, the better we would get at the plan. We did that somewhat, efforts v Syd, Haw and WC were pleasing. Today? Can only be described as a train wreck. Extremely disappointing.
Reading all those comments about permanently booting off so many of the players warms the cockles of my heart.
I can handle losing but 71 points to St. Kilda ......... really, they were that much better than us ???
Reading all those comments about permanently booting off so many of the players warms the cockles of my heart.
I can handle losing but 71 points to St. Kilda ......... really, they were that much better than us ???
We made it much easier for them by being knackered / sluggish / disinterested. They're a 1 week on, 2 weeks off type team, and we've struck them twice in their 1 week on phase. Either that, or we're becoming their bunnies.
Having said all that, they would have troubled a number of sides today.
Very disappointing send off for 1AW :'(
Gee that was our worst performance this year. Bolts says they're tired after keeping up with the ladder leaders over the past couple of weeks. Maybe. If that's so, we should see something in the next couple of weeks. If we can't recover and reload, its going to be a slippery slope that will hurt player and supporter confidence.
Like others, I have reservations about our structure. Whilst I get that we lack talent, this sees us start the game disadvantaging ourselves :-\ I can't work that one out, oh well...
This game sounds similar to what's reported for NB's. Our cracks were exposed ;). The positive then is the LM team know what they've got to work with (or not work with - game over for some).
The class we have, again had to bust a gut. Simmo, Docherty, Cripps, and Gibbs were solid. Despite doing well in clearances, we were totally out-run and outclassed. If we're not defined by W-L but by our pressure... Today we were indefinable. Here's hoping its a one-off. I do have faith that our progress this year will be recaptured. (please no repeat of our 2015 late round visit to the Gabba).
Enough of my grizzling. I wish 1AW happiness and success and say Thanks for the 202 one club attainment.
Go Blues.
What is the point in a guy who has not played senior football for weeks, who admits he has a chronic injury, playing a match that embarrasses him and the club? Dumb decision!!!
If he's injured to an extent where he is incapable of performing, don't play him. And if he insists, over ride him!!
A retirement lap at the last home game, a lap on Grand Final Day and we all leave with positive memories, not sitting there thinking WTF are we doing this for!?!!!
Our kicking into the forward line was terrible. Our tackles didn't stick. There was little or no pressure on their ball carriers. All signs of a flat, tired team. I think the coaching group sensed it through the week. Maybe that's the reason they had a traing session at Albert Park.
Our kicking into the forward line was terrible. Our tackles didn't stick. There was little or no pressure on their ball carriers. All signs of a flat, tired team. I think the coaching group sensed it through the week. Maybe that's the reason they had a traing session at Albert Park.
Fair points.
I was hoping that the days of being embarrassed being at the football were over.
Our kicking into the forward line was terrible. Our tackles didn't stick. There was little or no pressure on their ball carriers. All signs of a flat, tired team. I think the coaching group sensed it through the week. Maybe that's the reason they had a traing session at Albert Park.
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What is the point in a guy who has not played senior football for weeks, who admits he has a chronic injury, playing a match that embarrasses him and the club? Dumb decision!!!
If he's injured to an extent where he is incapable of performing, don't play him. And if he insists, over ride him!!
A retirement lap at the last home game, a lap on Grand Final Day and we all leave with positive memories, not sitting there thinking WTF are we doing this for!?!!!
The whole team was down today - focusing on one player is not really where it's at. He was moving freely enough. As a few others have said, he really should've retired at the end of season 2015. Whether the club wanted / needed him to stay on, or whether like any AFL player, he thought he could go round again, I guess we'll never know.
What is the point in a guy who has not played senior football for weeks, who admits he has a chronic injury, playing a match that embarrasses him and the club? Dumb decision!!!
If he's injured to an extent where he is incapable of performing, don't play him. And if he insists, over ride him!!
A retirement lap at the last home game, a lap on Grand Final Day and we all leave with positive memories, not sitting there thinking WTF are we doing this for!?!!!
Because he's well loved and if he wanted a final Game he deserved it. Mate the amount of crap the other CFC players were dishing up today and you choose to focus on Walks. Suggest you go and watch his post game video, we scream on This site for culture to be better to the guys to givebitbtheir all and that man has done all that and more! Casboult missed a screwing sitter right in front 25 metres out, kerridge continually missed targets, graham dropped a mark that resulted in a saints goal, no player had a tackle stick other than one from Buckley, the backs continued to handball and were continuously intercepted... And you are screaming about Walks playing a final game on the G. Just bullcrap. He's done the honourable thing and retired with a contract, don't imagine daisy will Do that - and oh yeah he did sweet screw all today too ::)
I thought Townsend was talking about Daisy.
In a couple of the wins, it has hard to separate the best and the votes in Jim Park were wide and varied.
This week it is hard to separate the worst - there were so many.
Feel sorry that this was all we could dish up for AW today, and that his own game reflected it as well.
Because he's well loved and if he wanted a final Game he deserved it. Mate the amount of crap the other CFC players were dishing up today and you choose to focus on Walks. Suggest you go and watch his post game video, we scream on This site for culture to be better to the guys to givebitbtheir all and that man has done all that and more! Casboult missed a screwing sitter right in front 25 metres out, kerridge continually missed targets, graham dropped a mark that resulted in a saints goal, no player had a tackle stick other than one from Buckley, the backs continued to handball and were continuously intercepted... And you are screaming about Walks playing a final game on the G. Just bullcrap. He's done the honourable thing and retired with a contract, don't imagine daisy will Do that - and oh yeah he did sweet screw all today too ::)
It ain't a spectator sport.... He was nowhere near physically ready to make any impact. The others you mentioned weren't going out to play a game that they'll remember for the rest of their life. The club will be smarter in future no doubt. (Not a fan, but Daisy had more possessions than 14 other players!!)
Would you give Jammo a game next week??? He would be just as well prepared as Walker.
The only NB's player I think could make it, apart from a few first year players who need to be cut some slack, is Liam Sumner.
He has some pace and skill but he needs to improve by 40 or 50%, whether he can is another matter.
From the little VFL I've seen Vojo looks OK to me as well but the club has a different opinion of him than I do it seems.
We go much better is a tight, hard slog, if teams can break the game open our lack of pace and foot skills get exposed.
You clearly know very little about the bloke. Hasn't had a pre season maybe ever.
Give him a free run at it and he'll be (considerably) better than most on our list, a potential star.
Too much emotion in the hours after a bad loss. i've learnt, no posting till next day.
Lots of calls for delistings but realistically you can only pick up 4 good players a year, 5 if all the stars align but that hasn't happened at Carlton since the year Sticks came over from Adelaide.
The players in the seniors today who aren't up to it are as good as we can put on the park, Charlie Curnow and Murphy will replace two of them and Byrne another one when and if he gets back from his knee, but there's no talent in the seconds to replace the other half dozen that need to be moved on.
Vojo and Clem Smith are almost certain to be delisted, Walks has retired and Jamison almost definitely will, that leaves another six or so maximum, and there's players like Lamb, Jones, Whiley, Tutt, Dick, Jaksch and Foster on our senior list who don't look capable of carving out an AFL career.
Most of the second raters who played in the seniors today will still be at Carlton next season, it's going to be a very slow process overhauling our list.
I'd rather move sheehan to our senior list and hope his body holds up than continue with some of the lesser skilled blokes or recruit pick 90 odd. At least we know sheehan can play he has just been unlucky with injury.
It ain't a spectator sport.... He was nowhere near physically ready to make any impact. The others you mentioned weren't going out to play a game that they'll remember for the rest of their life. The club will be smarter in future no doubt. (Not a fan, but Daisy had more possessions than 14 other players!!)
Would you give Jammo a game next week??? He would be just as well prepared as Walker.
If it wasn't his farewell game, his name wouldn't even be discussed, and his performance would be indistinguishable from many others, and would be part of a large mass of nothingness that we would all soon rather forget.
Very very flat this week - just did not look motivated. Going through the motions late in the season I guess against a lively Saints outfit which showed better skills and greater interest. Hopefully we can spark up and play a lot better next week. :(
Skills: they certainly had them and we didn't. We were fine until we got to the point of kicking the ball into the forward line. Then .....
St Kilda certainly wanted it more. They played well and we were flat as a tack.
We may have played poorly and made too many mistakes, but our coaching staff did address some of the issues from last time and did it pretty well. But we had 6 good players. The rest didn't turn up.
Our defence really had holes for the first time in ages. Our midfield wasn't that bad: many of the flaws from last time were addressed and we did win there. But our forward line was non existent and the way we kicked into the forward line was indescribably bad.
Saints have exposed us for pace twice this year and with the lightning quick GWS not far off their first premiership it's clear we need to draft quick players.
Saints have exposed us for pace twice this year and with the lightning quick GWS not far off their first premiership it's clear we need to draft quick players.
I suppose who you draft depends on what the game plan is. The Aints go for pace, but you counteract pace by closing up space and making sure you have talls who can mark the contested ball. It's no point recruiting pace just because that is what the opponents have, unless you don't have a game plan to support it.
At the weekend I saw Aints players who were 180cm types out marking our +190cm players. That is a skill and commitment issue, our player development continues to suck in this regard. It's hard to see why or how a player gets to AFL level and does not know how to use their body to advantage. Some of our football decision making yesterday was U12 level stuff.
Saints have exposed us for pace twice this year and with the lightning quick GWS not far off their first premiership it's clear we need to draft quick players.
Sainst spread very well, we won clearances but when they got the footy they went wide and burnt us with pace and decent skills by hand and foot.....Billings and Ross are two young kids who use the footy well even though they are not quick but setup the blokes who are.....
There isnt much we dont need though.....
Saints have exposed us for pace twice this year and with the lightning quick GWS not far off their first premiership it's clear we need to draft quick players.
They did the same to Geelong. I agree with LP that it's a skill and commitment issue. I was really expecting us to come out with a new game plan to deal with the Saints after they toweled us up earlier in the season and I'm sure Bolts would have had a plan. Unfortunately too many players couldn't or wouldn't lift and our ball usage on far too many times was embarrassing. We don't necessarily need quick players. We need hard working intelligent footballers who will leave nothing out there after a game.
So, who are these blokes that when it really matters, lets be serious, against a team like the Saints that towelled us up, do not have the skill and/or commitment.
That is, who needs the chop and is not part of 2017?????????
Who is not a 2-way runner?
The mids were horrendous.
Saints have exposed us for pace twice this year and with the lightning quick GWS not far off their first premiership it's clear we need to draft quick players.
The slowness affects three areas, all of which affect each other in a vicious circle fashion - slow decision making / thought process, slow ball movement, and slow leg speed.
So, who are these blokes that when it really matters, lets be serious, against a team like the Saints that towelled us up, do not have the skill and/or commitment.
That is, who needs the chop and is not part of 2017?????????
Who is not a 2-way runner?
The mids were horrendous.
This stood out more for me that than the turnovers and clangers. When the Saints broke away with the footy, our mids were lagging way behind with tongues hanging out. These days, you need to switch from attack to defense very quickly and our blokes just didnt. It looked like they thought it was going to just go our way and when when it didnt, they seemed shocked. Our defenders had little or no chance.
Kicking in was bad also. For example, I was above the kick outs for 2 qtrs and many times, two of our blokes, one either side of a StK fwd protecting space, moved towards that fwd simultaneously. it meant the bloke kicking out had a tougher target to hit and the StK fwd's job of protecting space was made easier. FFS get more distance btw you and the opo player to make the kick out and resulting mark easier. Is it that hard?
In retrospect two things I enjoyed watching yesterday were Cripps over the shoulder handballs and that familiar Silvagni gait when Jack cleared the ball from fullback.
As with Williams when he first came to Carlton and players were being hit on the back not expecting a handball the receivers are leaning to expect Cripps freakish handballs.
Seeing Jack with that unique gait the years rolled away and I was reminded of watching his dad as a young player. Jack looked confident with his skills on the backline and I wouldn't mind seeing him tried there while he's developing.
In retrospect two things I enjoyed watching yesterday were Cripps over the shoulder handballs and that familiar Silvagni gait when Jack cleared the ball from fullback.
As with Williams when he first came to Carlton and players were being hit on the back not expecting a handball the receivers are leaning to expect Cripps freakish handballs.
Seeing Jack with that unique gait the years rolled away and I was reminded of watching his dad as a young player. Jack looked confident with his skills on the backline and I wouldn't mind seeing him tried there while he's developing.
And the roar from the Carlton faithful whenever he did something. Sigh.
Pace without skill is useless, Armfield is lightning quick but he butchers the ball 50% of the time.
Hawthorn aren't a quick side apart from one or two, Geelong at their peak weren't either.
Ling and Mitchell are slow by current VFL standards, Hodge is only average and so is Lewis.
So is Cripps.
...You only need to be foot quick, when your teammate kicks the ball 10 metres either side of you, handballs behind you, to your feet or bombs it on your head.
In retrospect two things I enjoyed watching yesterday were Cripps over the shoulder handballs and that familiar Silvagni gait when Jack cleared the ball from fullback.
As with Williams when he first came to Carlton and players were being hit on the back not expecting a handball the receivers are leaning to expect Cripps freakish handballs.
Seeing Jack with that unique gait the years rolled away and I was reminded of watching his dad as a young player. Jack looked confident with his skills on the backline and I wouldn't mind seeing him tried there while he's developing.
Wasn't it uncannily familiar :D
He did it another time earlier in the game too but that was more striking.
Not sure it's been mentioned...but Hawthorn were pretty flat in their game as well.
Maybe the week before took a bit of a toll on both teams.
...You only need to be foot quick, when your teammate kicks the ball 10 metres either side of you, handballs behind you, to your feet or bombs it on your head.
I felt for Buckley quite a bit on Sunday. The number of times he ran past and the handball landed at his feet or behind him was incredible. And the worst offenders were Simpson, Tuohy and Docherty, some of our more reliable disposers of the ball.
We also overdo the handball, which puts pressure on the kicker and slows down our forward movement. The results there were lethal when we finally decided to kick the ball.