Firstly, for those who hate the Carlton name being listed second, it's a Richmond home game and that has always been the convention at all levels of footy. So I've titled the thread Rnd 1 "Richmond vs Carlton." just like the draw/fixture. You can look at the title and know it's an "Away" game.
50,000 fans at this stage not a bad result, not really any different to an inclement weather result. I think if I recall correctly it doesn't affect us anyway because we killed off the shared gate deal a couple of years back.
I think it would also be useful to list the date, start time and venue, even though this information is readily available elsewhere.
Thursday, March 18, 7.25PM, MCG.
Prestia wont play for Richmond due to injury which is a bonus....
I think it would also be useful to list the date, start time and venue, even though this information is readily available elsewhere.
Thursday, March 18, 7.25PM, MCG.
Agreed.
I think using the pre-existing standards is so useful when searching for stuff historically. If we'd maintain the conventions for example we can search for all Away games by entering terms like "vs Carlton", or "Home" games by searching "Carlton vs", and the result is automictically sorted.
Agreed.
I think using the pre-existing standards is so useful when searching for stuff historically. If we'd maintain the conventions for example we can search for all Away games by entering terms like "vs Carlton", or "Home" games by searching "Carlton vs", and the result is automatically sorted.
Yes, agree.
Using the list below as a reference, Charlie and Kemp are out long term, Betts, Levi and McGovern are highly likely, and Newman, Marchbank and TDK less likely than more. Charlie and TDK will be big outs, but we should go in with a pretty strong lineup regardless IMO.
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/afl-injury-list-2021-hawks-star-wingard-in-doubt-for-round-one/585x4gnd7ibt15vtrnbsdvss7
It's a little depressing seeing our injury list compared to most teams. The majority of the expected top teams have very few injuries.
It's all very hush hush on the VFL front. The club has no team listed on its webpage, no coach etc. The article below gives a little information on the VFL competition in general :
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-vfl-2021-fixture-teams-draw-player-signings-rules-broadcast-tv/news-story/335069b436fc1a2f92f0e854798706f4
The AFL said home club members would receive priority ticket access, but it was up to clubs how they split those between their membership categories.
Away club members will also receive priority after the home club members, and if there’s any tickets left, the general public will be given access.
Ummm, so do Richmond get first dibs with their 100,000 members??? Gunna be a one sided crowd!!!
Ummm, so do Richmond get first dibs with their 100,000 members??? Gunna be a one sided crowd!!!
Are budgerigars allowed?
Yes, agree.
Paul, That flashing Chimpanzee Avatar should come with a warning for epileptics...☢
Paul, That flashing Chimpanzee Avatar should come with a warning for epileptics...☢
At least we'll know where to find him :)
Paul, That flashing Chimpanzee Avatar should come with a warning for epileptics...☢
Yes, I must admit, it is a little hard on the eyes. File under "it seemed like a good idea at the time."
I can adjust the interval between images, which I will try later.
So If I read correctly in the HS today, they allocate 500-1000 tickets to CFC members for Rnd 1 V Rich. Are they serious?
So If I read correctly in the HS today, they allocate 500-1000 tickets to CFC members for Rnd 1 V Rich. Are they serious?
It's a tough one. The home side does deserve favouratism re ticketing, but I would have thought 3/4 to 1/4 might be fairer... even 80/20! But 1-2% :o is absurd.
It's a tough one. The home side does deserve favouratism re ticketing, but I would have thought 3/4 to 1/4 might be fairer... even 80/20! But 1-2% :o is absurd.
This is bloody lop sided if you ask me, 170,000 odd competing club members need to share 27,500? Fark orf.
I get the covid restrictions but FMD!
"But for the MCG, of the 50,000 tickets available, 11,000 will go to MCC members, 10,000 to AFL members and about 500 to corporates. In all, the AFL says about 27,500 will be available to members of Richmond and Carlton in Round 1"
So far I'm not feeling very keen on fronting up to live games - bunfights seem to be the order of the day! Kayo, the couch, a couple of gourmet pies and a bottle of red look far more attractive. :))
So far I'm not feeling very keen on fronting up to live games - bunfights seem to be the order of the day! Kayo, the couch, a couple of gourmet pies and a bottle of red look far more attractive. :))
That does sound pretty good.
So far I'm not feeling very keen on fronting up to live games - bunfights seem to be the order of the day! Kayo, the couch, a couple of gourmet pies and a bottle of red look far more attractive. :))
The good old days, a hot four 'n twenty, vinegar chips, a sixpack, mates
The good old days, a hot four 'n twenty, vinegar chips, a sixpack, mates
And a hot jam donut on the way home.
So far I'm not feeling very keen on fronting up to live games - bunfights seem to be the order of the day! Kayo, the couch, a couple of gourmet pies and a bottle of red look far more attractive. :))
I think its more about the option.
No point paying $100's for a membership that doesn't get you any games.
Or.....thanks for your membership where you couldn't go to any games, have a free membership this year.....while we also increase the price....and you still don't get to go to any games.
:o
So far I'm not feeling very keen on fronting up to live games - bunfights seem to be the order of the day! Kayo, the couch, a couple of gourmet pies and a bottle of red look far more attractive. :))
Yep, and all this other shizen going on around the globe has months and months to run yet, the UK are warning people to stay home and safe until Spring 2022. It's Chooklotto going to somewhere there is a big crowd, especially if you are over 50!
The good old days, a hot four 'n twenty, vinegar chips, a sixpack, mates
Go to the VFL, it's still the same, the Hill at Frankston hasn't changed for 5 decades, and now they have massive lights for night footy!
It's a tough one. The home side does deserve favouratism re ticketing, but I would have thought 3/4 to 1/4 might be fairer... even 80/20! But 1-2% :o is absurd.
Would we be complaining if it was our home game?
I think that clubs have to look after their members first ... and the one-sided crowd will help the home team. I just hope they don’t change the formula for our home games.
The Tigers are a pretty well oiled machine, so they should win, even with Williams playing. But he's almost certainly not playing, which should help their cause. Apart from a long term injury to Soldo, Houli and Prestia looking unlikely for this game.
Tigers by 4 goals.
The Tigers are a pretty well oiled machine, so they should win, even with Williams playing. But he's almost certainly not playing, which should help their cause. Apart from a long term injury to Soldo, Houli and Prestia looking unlikely for this game.
Tigers by 4 goals.
Some talk Prestia might be ready to play, I think if we lose to Richmond by 4 goals that wont be seen as a great start to the season.
Thats just more of the same from previous years, we need to break this stranglehold they have over us and win the game. Starting with a loss just puts pressure back on the coach and is the first nail in his coffin IMHO.
At best a loss by a goal or less might be seen as progress but a 4-5 goal loss is a decent defeat and I cant see the rank and file accepting that result at all.
Some talk Prestia might be ready to play, I think if we lose to Richmond by 4 goals that wont be seen as a great start to the season.
Thats just more of the same from previous years, we need to break this stranglehold they have over us and win the game. Starting with a loss just puts pressure back on the coach and is the first nail in his coffin IMHO.
At best a loss by a goal or less might be seen as progress but a 4-5 goal loss is a decent defeat and I cant see the rank and file accepting that result at all.
The only things I can see upsetting the Tigers applecart is premiership hangover and / or issues around Hardwick's marriage breakdown. 3 of the last 4, and near full strength. Our list is starting to come together. Teague at this point has a W/L of 46% (46.43 for the pernickety ones) so we've still a way to go and we're not out of the woods yet IMO. I just try and face facts and base my opinions on that. Of course, supporters will have this or that demand, expectation etc., but that is a matter for them.
What's your hit prediction for this game brother Elwood ?
Some talk Prestia might be ready to play, I think if we lose to Richmond by 4 goals that wont be seen as a great start to the season.
Thats just more of the same from previous years, we need to break this stranglehold they have over us and win the game. Starting with a loss just puts pressure back on the coach and is the first nail in his coffin IMHO.
At best a loss by a goal or less might be seen as progress but a 4-5 goal loss is a decent defeat and I cant see the rank and file accepting that result at all.
Deja vu, ground hog day, whatever you want to call it. There was a bit to like the other night, there was also a bit of same old same old. Cameos from too many not so young anymore ones who refuse to step up. What worried me most was how shaky the defence looked. A rock last year, was a shambles the other night, lost at sea against a side who play similar to Richmond only quicker. Richmond looked like they took over from where they left off last year. Gonna be a rough start to the year me thinks, injuries and a suspension to Zac W won't help our cause at all. We still let runs of goals happen without the leaders on field doing anything about it. We shall see in 12 or so days.
We have got on board some excellent new talent that can come into the team but we don't yet look like a settled, hardened professional outfit with the poise and consistency to win games on a regular basis and to avoid those lapses and fade outs that cost games and cause the heartbreaks. I know it's early days, we've only seen practice games.
Hopefully that changes early on in the real stuff and we don't eventually get demoralised by losing games we could have/should have won, as we have so often in past years. I'm excited by the new, but not very confident that we can yet beat such a hard professional outfit as the Tigers. We'll have to show a lot more poise and maturity, as well as talent and skills than we have so far imo. However, fingers crossed, and that's about as optimistic as I can be at the moment.
Can't see a win at all. Might keep 'em to <20. Basing all that on not being able to field our best team. That team in any event does NOT include SPS
We have got on board some excellent new talent that can come into the team but we don't yet look like a settled, hardened professional outfit with the poise and consistency to win games on a regular basis and to avoid those lapses and fade outs that cost games and cause the heartbreaks. I know it's early days, we've only seen practice games.
Hopefully that changes early on in the real stuff and we don't eventually get demoralised by losing games we could have/should have won, as we have so often in past years. I'm excited by the new, but not very confident that we can yet beat such a hard professional outfit as the Tigers. We'll have to show a lot more poise and maturity, as well as talent and skills than we have so far imo. However, fingers crossed, and that's about as optimistic as I can be at the moment.
Perfectly said Cookie.
People don’t really talk up how good a team that mob is. They have won 3 of the last 4 flags. Very hard having them to start every year off with in this era and when we are below our best personnel wise makes a tough task close to impossible.
But we can’t keep making excuses and this is our year to make a big move so I know we must take scalps but feel this one is too hard too soon.
I will be surprised if we get within 5 goals.
Can't see a win at all. Might keep 'em to <20. Basing all that on not being able to field our best team. That team in any event does NOT include SPS
Careful Cap, the Bull Rider is a "protected species" among the faithful.
Yep, seems to have a free pass. Not in my best 22 either. Over his lack of consistency or impact.
Careful Cap, the Bull Rider is a "protected species" among the faithful.
Injuries will ensure he gets a game. Too many out and not enough left ahead of him.
Excuses been exhausted for too many of these blokes. Time to produce or piss off
Excuses been exhausted for too many of these blokes. Time to produce or piss off
time has passed IMO
It's a curious proposition to defeat Nthmond, they have formulated a game plane that requires opponents to give the ultimate sacrifice, it will almost be a pyrrhic victory to overcome them. Not many are willing to do what it takes, and Nthmond know it!
It reminds me of the days of Balme and Walls, that line that some would happily walk across.
Guys like Balta and Cotchin collect the toll, like surgeons that excise critical bits of an opponents infrastructure, nobody takes a piece back!
i'm hoping we get on our bike early and use the man on the mark rule to our advantage, and maybe have a nice handy lead at half time. we can play quick and score pretty quick. then try and find a way to stay in front at the end.
the problem is that the tigers are a bloody good team. they might just smash us early and roll us all night long. or if we get in front early they'll just claw their way back into it and get us at the end.
the only hope we have is that our boys are sick and tired of being beaten by this mob. there's something to be said for a team that decides to win no matter what. no matter who you're playing, or how good they are. this would be nice to see.
i'm hoping we get on our bike early and use the man on the mark rule to our advantage, and maybe have a nice handy lead at half time. we can play quick and score pretty quick. then try and find a way to stay in front at the end.
the problem is that the tigers are a bloody good team. they might just smash us early and roll us all night long. or if we get in front early they'll just claw their way back into it and get us at the end.
the only hope we have is that our boys are sick and tired of being beaten by this mob. there's something to be said for a team that decides to win no matter what. no matter who you're playing, or how good they are. this would be nice to see.
Usual script is a 5 goal to nothing quarter in the first half then we claw our way back slowly then Dusty kicks the key goal
which ends our run and thats the game.
So we cant have any one sided quarters and who ever is on Dusty has to get the job done and if that means double manning him when he is forward then do it. He cannot be allowed one on one with space to move.
Ditto down the other end, Tigers will probably double team Harry so the spare has to become a threat and no bombing the ball in as they are a strong marking defense and will just rebound it out via Short and Baker then get the overlap and easy score.
Easier said than done I know but I think we can beat them with careful planning and matchups, they usually bludge off our mistakes and kick easy goals from silly turnovers so that is an area we can control.
Nothing worse than winning the stats for clearances, contested/uncontested ball and losing the game because the opposition were more efficient hurting you via your own silly mistakes....thats us in the past and thats how the Tigers like to operate.
We'll be better this year' There wasn't alot to improve on to be a finalist. With everything else the same at least, stopping those opposition run-ons will do it on it's own. Not sure whether we win round 1 or not but if we can get a run on of 3-4 wins in a row early in the season it might be enough to give us belief. We've been down so long, so belief could be an issue but if we can get it then it will be huge.
Based on what I have seen:
FB Willo Weiters Plow
HB Doc Jones Saad
C Dow Cripp Setters
HF SOS Levi Martin
FF Murph H Fish
R Pitto Walsh Ed
INT Fog Cunners OMac Newnes
Emerg Stock SPS Eddie Kennedy
Concerns around Weiters, H obviously.
Based on what I have seen:
FB Willo Weiters Plow
HB Doc Jones Saad
C Dow Cripp Setters
HF SOS Levi Martin
FF Murph H Fish
R Pitto Walsh Ed
INT Fog Cunners OMac Newnes
Emerg Stock SPS Eddie Kennedy
Concerns around Weiters, H obviously.
If Levi plays, Oscar doesn't.
Reckon Betts will play. Plays the G very well.
Based on what I have seen:
FB Willo Weiters Plow
HB Doc Jones Saad
C Dow Cripp Setters
HF SOS Levi Martin
FF Murph H Fish
R Pitto Walsh Ed
INT Fog Cunners OMac Newnes
Emerg Stock SPS Eddie Kennedy
Concerns around Weiters, H obviously.
Looks pretty good GTC, though I don't think there's any way Cameo Cuningham gets a gig in front of SPS.
Personally, I'd probably give Kennedy the nod over Fogerty - Kennedy does kick goals when resting forward and brings a real hardness/mongrel to the midfield... I base this a lot on his form in the VFL game which was outstanding.
And Eddie for O'Mac. (if H and / or Weiters don't come up, then O'Mac comes in for one of those).
Looks pretty good GTC, though I don't think there's any way Cameo Cuningham gets a gig in front of SPS.
Personally, I'd probably give Kennedy the nod over Fogerty - Kennedy does kick goals when resting forward and brings a real hardness/mongrel to the midfield... I base this a lot on his form in the VFL game which was outstanding.
And Eddie for O'Mac. (if H and / or Weiters don't come up, then O'Mac comes in for one of those).
I had Kennedy in and inadvertently left Martin out. Agree I'd play Bam Bam ahead of Cameo. I am 110% over SPS, he has no place in the side IMHO.
@ Fly Im think Oscar is cover for rucks and defs.
McDonald won’t play if Levi is fit.
Samo and Cuners will both be in the 22 and I don’t think Fogarty has done enough to earn a spot at this stage.
Eddie did some nice things (or typical Eddie plays) in the reserves but I don’t think you could risk playing him in round 1.
At least we’re getting some serious competition for places in the 22, even with Williams being robbed of his chance to play.
Depending on injuries, I think we will run out with the following:
B: SPS Weitering Plowman
HB: Saad Jones Docherty
C: Setterfield Cripps Curnow
HF: Fisher McDonald Martin
F: Murphy McKay Silvagni
R: Pittonet Walsh Dow
I/C: Williamson Cuningham Newnes Fogarty
Emg: Gibbons Kennedy Betts O'Brien
Inj: TDK McGovern Marchbank Newman Curnow.C Casboult Williams (Susp)
There are seven players not available that I would consider for our best 22 but I think we have plenty of players to put a good team out on the ground.
Who gets Dusty?, dont want him matched up on Cripps after the stoppage and both playing wide of each other, thats just way too dangerous. Reckon Ed will get Cotchin....Edwards is another I would want manned up tighter than in previous games.
Who gets Dusty?, dont want him matched up on Cripps after the stoppage and both playing wide of each other, thats just way too dangerous. Reckon Ed will get Cotchin....Edwards is another I would want manned up tighter than in previous games.
I’d play Fisher on Dusty, he’s perfected grabbing Dusty’s fend off arm :)
Williamson would be my preferred option when Dusty plays forward.
I’d play Fisher on Dusty, he’s perfected grabbing Dusty’s fend off arm :)
Williamson would be my preferred option when Dusty plays forward.
Plowman did remarkably well on him last year, and he would be the one to get first crack IMHO particularly when he goes forward.
Plowman did remarkably well on him last year, and he would be the one to get first crack IMHO particularly when he goes forward.
Someone will need to come across and help as he is too strong one on one (being the umps darling doesnt help defenders either).
Who gets Dusty?, dont want him matched up on Cripps after the stoppage and both playing wide of each other, thats just way too dangerous. Reckon Ed will get Cotchin....Edwards is another I would want manned up tighter than in previous games.
I pray its not SPS as Edwards would tear him a new one.
Based on what I have seen:
FB Willo Weiters Plow
HB Doc Jones Saad
C Dow Cripp Setters
HF SOS Levi Martin
FF Murph H Fish
R Pitto Walsh Ed
INT Fog Cunners OMac Newnes
Emerg Stock SPS Eddie Kennedy
Concerns around Weiters, H obviously.
If take out cunners and pit gibbons in.
Disagree with the others, omac plays even of Levi does.
Why?
With question marks over Levi, Harry and weitering....
do I need to continue that sentence?? ;)
If take out cunners and pit gibbons in.
Disagree with the others, omac plays even of Levi does.
Why?
With question marks over Levi, Harry and weitering....
do I need to continue that sentence?? ;)
I'd have Gibbons in, reliable and wont do anything stupid or be asleep for a quarter like Cuningham...the latters best is great but we wont see it for another 6 weeks.
I'd agree on McDonald, we have those three you mentioned sore or returning from injury and if Weitering or Harry goes down we are fecked for the game and the Tigers wont be holding back testing them out either.
If take out cunners and pit gibbons in.
Disagree with the others, omac plays even of Levi does.
Why?
With question marks over Levi, Harry and weitering....
do I need to continue that sentence?? ;)
They were my thoughts also Krud
I'm worried about their small fwds, quick helter skelter get it fwd at call costs at speed will trouble us. Fall asleep at the opening bounce and it will be over.
The latest club injury list is not looking so hot for Rnd 1, a lot of KPPs have a line put through their name for the season opener.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/877927/injury-news-who-s-available-for-round-1-
I realise my assessment contradicts the club's statement, but if they are on that list at this time of the year I reserve the the right to be sceptical.
The latest club injury list is not looking so hot for Rnd 1, a lot of KPPs have a line put through their name for the season opener.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/877927/injury-news-who-s-available-for-round-1-
I realise my assessment contradicts the club's statement, but if they are on that list at this time of the year I reserve the the right to be sceptical.
A lot can change in a week but with Brackets a non-starter and H a ? it could be that OMac will get a tall forward gig against the Tiggers.
We have a reasonably long injury list but I recall when The Terrier was at the Dawks they often took the longer view and built into their seasons a little slow than others. It wasn't unusual for the Dawks to drop an unexpected game or two early in the season, even when they were strong finalists. I like it that we've gone hard with training, exposed any weaknesses, then addressed those with careful, even conservative, approaches. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating. My expectations for R1 against the Tiggers are not high.
In the martial art my kids learn, if a bloke does a fend/push like Dusty does, he'd be lying on his front in a flash... Essentially pulled down forwards by the arm. That would then be holding the ball wouldn't it?
In the martial art my kids learn, if a bloke does a fend/push like Dusty does, he'd be lying on his front in a flash... Essentially pulled down forwards by the arm. That would then be holding the ball wouldn't it?
I reckon Fisher got him twice, once was doing just that.....from memory.
In the martial art my kids learn, if a bloke does a fend/push like Dusty does, he'd be lying on his front in a flash... Essentially pulled down forwards by the arm. That would then be holding the ball wouldn't it?
Good luck with it, he is so darken strong. Watch the last goal he kicked on the granny last last year. He brushes of Danger like he is a jockey.
Aaaah grasshopper, much to learn have you.
It's about momentum and centre of balance, and surprise. Once he commits his weight forward, you've got him. Use his mass and "strength" against him.
About time somebody countered the throat push, I mean fend.
Aaaah grasshopper, much to learn have you.
It's about momentum and centre of balance, and surprise. Once he commits his weight forward, you've got him. Use his mass and "strength" against him.
To PP you will go Master, show them the way.
Aaaah grasshopper, much to learn have you.
It's about momentum and centre of balance, and surprise. Once he commits his weight forward, you've got him. Use his mass and "strength" against him.
The NRL players use that momentum all the time to bring a player to ground, maybe it's time for a few AFL clubs bring in the tackling coaches again!
Could Parks get a game round 1?
Seems like there is a spot available.
Could Parks get a game round 1?
Seems like there is a spot available.
Didnt get a gig v Cheats or Aints, can't see it personally.
The NRL players use that momentum all the time to bring a player to ground, maybe it's time for a few AFL clubs bring in the tackling coaches again!
Now there's an idea
Good luck with it, he is so darken strong. Watch the last goal he kicked on the granny last last year. He brushes of Danger like he is a jockey.
Reckon Danger would be embarrassed to watch that moment again!
Reckon Danger would be embarrassed to watch that moment again!
Nothing embarrassing about being beaten by Dusty in a big game, the bloke jumps to another level, freak. As it would happen, last night on Fox they had a show on late called One Night in Brisbane where Nick R, Whately, Dimma and Jack R recounted the GF in segments qtr by qtr. When it came to the end and they showed Dustys last goal, the talked to Dimma and Jack about him. They reckon the guy is just a superstar who you dont (cant) coach. He knows where to be, demands the footy and just does his thing. When Kingsley arrived at Rich, he went to Dusty in PS and wanted to do contested work with him to show him tactics, Dusty replied "I reckon Im all good thanks".
Nothing embarrassing about being beaten by Dusty in a big game, the bloke jumps to another level, freak.
Oh I agree, but Danger reckons he's 'da man'.
He ain't. Dusty owns him.
Oh I agree, but Danger reckons he's 'da man'.
He ain't. Dusty owns him.
Look I know I'll get caned for this but Danger (IMO) is overrated. Big, strong and powerful yes, but goes missing at crucial times. Now the Pussies have added the ultimate MIA player in Cameron. Should be fun to watch at years end.
I'd have Dangerfield at Carlton in a heartbeat. He's a super player, irrespective of whether he's better or worse than Dusty. He's past his best now IMO, but his record is outstanding.
I'd have Dangerfield at Carlton in a heartbeat. He's a super player, irrespective of whether he's better or worse than Dusty. He's past his best now IMO, but his record is outstanding.
Dusty is also probably past his best, I'd have him as well, ......................... but then so is Cripps apparently, washed up at 26 years of age!
You can't build a team with those hacks! ::)
Dusty is also probably past his best, I'd have him as well, ......................... but then so is Cripps apparently, washed up at 26 years of age!
You can't build a team with those hacks! ::)
;D
Nobody does the big moments like Dusty, kicks the big goals, breaks from the packs with the big fend off,
What is a miracle play for most is stock standard for Dusty and what makes it worse you can see it coming. The lone defender stranded and out of position or the hesitant opposition in the stoppage hoping they don't have to tackle Dusty and look like they squibbed it..
Been the same for the past 5 years..
Nobody does the big moments like Dusty, kicks the big goals, breaks from the packs with the big fend off,
What is a miracle play for most is stock standard for Dusty and what makes it worse you can see it coming. The lone defender stranded and out of position or the hesitant opposition in the stoppage hoping they don't have to tackle Dusty and look like they squibbed it..
Been the same for the past 5 years..
Yes, ..................... but no doubt he is also enabled by the umpires.
If any other AFL player sticks their hand in an opponents throat they get penalised, I wonder if you tried to combat Dusty by grabbing his arm and dragging him to the ground I bet he'll frequently be awarded a free kick for being slung!
I've had to wonder in the past if umpires were afraid of the perceived threat from his unusual associates.
Nobody does the big moments like Dusty, kicks the big goals, breaks from the packs with the big fend off,
What is a miracle play for most is stock standard for Dusty and what makes it worse you can see it coming. The lone defender stranded and out of position or the hesitant opposition in the stoppage hoping they don't have to tackle Dusty and look like they squibbed it..
Been the same for the past 5 years..
He is the best player I have ever seen, the Michael Jordan of the AFL.
He is the best player I have ever seen, the Michael Jordan of the AFL.
You're young, .................. but he's probably the best of the recent bunch of mid/forwards.
Overall I can't say Dusty's best is better than Franklin's best, or the best of Ablett Jnr, Voss, Dean Cox, Dangerflog, Roughead, McLeod, Hodge, Burgoyne, RooShooter, but he's up there with them in that class of player.
I've not seen Dusty ever solo drag his team across the line like Cripps has done for us more than once.
I'm not going to claim Dusty is better than Lethal, Duck, GOD, Jezza, Doormat, Cable, Harvey or Flower, but he's up there in that echelon, it's not like for like.
Melbourne had picks 1 and 2 in the '09 Draft and still managed to suff it up. This is part of the reason why Richmond has 3 of the last 4 and Melbourne are still scratching their ar$es trying to understand where it all went wrong.
Melbourne had picks 1 and 2 in the '09 Draft and still managed to suff it up. This is part of the reason why Richmond has 3 of the last 4 and Melbourne are still scratching their ar$es trying to understand where it all went wrong.
Fyfe went at pick 20 in the same draft.
Fyfe went at pick 20 in the same draft.
I'm not sure if it's the tyranny of distance, or maybe my powers of observation are not as acute as I'd like to think, but I just don't feel that Fyfe is quite at the same level as Martin or Dangerfield. Playing in teams that have struggled since 2016 doesn't help. I suppose.
I'm not sure if it's the tyranny of distance, or maybe my powers of observation are not as acute as I'd like to think, but I just don't feel that Fyfe is quite at the same level as Martin or Dangerfield. Playing in teams that have struggled since 2016 doesn't help. I suppose.
I think players in struggling club's often fail to win fan respect, I think fans tend to weight the winning aspect of a players history.
The two Roberts, Harvey and Flower, are nice examples. Rarely mentioned in the same breath as fan favourite greats but clearly as good as if not even better than most!
Maybe our own Ken Hunter falls in that category, but once prompted you won't get many fans from any team who actually observed his career question his place amongst the very very best!
PS; I forgot Diesel, better mentally append him to those lists, ................. not better than Dusty! :o
I think players in struggling club's often fail to win fan respect, I think fans tend to weight the winning aspect of a players history.
The two Roberts, Harvey and Flower, are nice examples. Rarely mentioned in the same breath as fan favourite greats but clearly as good as if not even better than most!
Maybe our own Ken Hunter falls in that category, but once prompted you won't get many fans from any team who actually observed his career question his place amongst the very very best!
Yes, all fair points IMO.
Could Parks get a game round 1?
Seems like there is a spot available.
Not sure where.....
He is the best player I have ever seen, the Michael Jordan of the AFL.
Agree, His goals in the GF got better and freakier. I think the thing with Dusty is that he just loves playing footy and doesnt take it or himself too seriously. He has matured for sure but he doesnt seem to have a care in the world when you watch him on the field. He has also had a dream run injury wise, like Kouta from 1994 to 1999.
Kouta from 1994 to 1999.
Kouta, a long forgotten name, is his best better than Dusty?
If only MBB had seen Kouta in full flight!
Agree, His goals in the GF got better and freakier. I think the thing with Dusty is that he just loves playing footy and doesnt take it or himself too seriously. He has matured for sure but he doesnt seem to have a care in the world when you watch him on the field. He has also had a dream run injury wise, like Kouta from 1994 to 1999.
Its the maturity after being a nuffy headed for who knows where off the field that has shocked me, seems happy, content and
laid back not unlike a new mate of his named Dane Swan.
Kouta, a long forgotten name, is his best better than Dusty?
If only MBB had seen Kouta in full flight!
I'm 42 years old and have been a member since 1993.
I'm 42 years old and have been a member since 1993.
Well, I think Kouta in full flight was more Michael Jordan than Dusty.
Well, I think Kouta in full flight was more Michael Jordan than Dusty.
Interesting comparison, I think Kouta was a freak and on his day unstoppable. I think Dusty is better and has achieved more team success and individual success (Normies and Brownlows).
Well, I think Kouta in full flight was more Michael Jordan than Dusty.
Sadly injuries cut him down in his prime.
I watched the 95 grand final for the first time in years and I can't believe how much I underrated Kouta's game that day. I always had Peter Dean as my Norm Smith but that has now changed. Kouta destroyed Geelong in first half and was BOG by a mile at the break. Nothing happened after half time so he was clearly the most influential player on the ground.
Well, I think Kouta in full flight was more Michael Jordan than Dusty.
And Jezza at his best was a combination of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson :)
There’s no doubting Dusty’s ability, particularly in finals. He has to be up there with the best of contemporary players but he does have the advantage of playing in a very good and well-coached team.
BTW, the next episode of “Australia in Colour” on SBS features footage of the mighty John Nichols doing battle against Rottingwood. Not to be missed!
Sadly injuries cut him down in his prime.
I watched the 95 grand final for the first time in years and I can't believe how much I underrated Kouta's game that day. I always had Peter Dean as my Norm Smith but that has now changed. Kouta destroyed Geelong in first half and was BOG by a mile at the break. Nothing happened after half time so he was clearly the most influential player on the ground.
Totally agree MBB - clearly BOG and should have worn Norm.
Kouta's star burned with a manic intensity for a few seasons, but what came before and after those few seasons leaves a little to be desired IMO. A lot of money for average output, poor leadership and attitude during the Pagan years. His occasional pleas to the club to return in some coaching / mentoring capacity have all fallen on deaf ears up till now. Which should tell you something.
Great when he was great, but..................
PS; I forgot Judd, he wasn't too bad, better than Dusty! ;)
Probably Judd is right up there with Diesel, Lethal, GOD and Duck.
Sadly injuries cut him down in his prime.
I watched the 95 grand final for the first time in years and I can't believe how much I underrated Kouta's game that day. I always had Peter Dean as my Norm Smith but that has now changed. Kouta destroyed Geelong in first half and was BOG by a mile at the break. Nothing happened after half time so he was clearly the most influential player on the ground.
I was at the game, for mine Kouta was Normy.
PS; I forgot Judd, he wasn't too bad, better than Dusty! ;)
Probably Judd is right up there with Diesel, Lethal, GOD and Duck.
Im old enough to have seen Lethal's 2nd half career, has always been numero uno for me. Dusty's career aint over and he won't he won't kick 915 goals but his impact on games is second to none.
Im old enough to have seen Lethal's 2nd half career, has always been numero uno for me. Dusty's career aint over and he won't he won't kick 915 goals but his impact on games is second to none.
Yes, Lethal is my overall best and by some margin, not my favourite Doull is the man in that regard.
Lethal could roll up to Carlton or any other club and replace pretty much anyone in any position 'except perhaps' the rucks, and I say 'perhaps' because they never tried him there and I'm not confident he wouldn't succeed!
Most modern fans have never seen a rover wipe his ar5e with A-Grade KPP opponents while resting at FF, imagine Betts playing like Lockett at FF, then going on ball for a stint of being RooShooter, before returning to Lockett mode just for a rest. Most of the young'uns will think I'm exaggerating!
Yes, Lethal is my overall best and by some margin, not my favourite Doull is the man in that regard.
Lethal could roll up to Carlton or any other club and replace pretty much anyone in any position 'except perhaps' the rucks, and I say 'perhaps' because they never tried him there and I'm not confident he wouldn't succeed!
Most modern fans have never seen a rover wipe his ar5e with A-Grade KPP opponents while resting at FF, imagine Betts playing like Lockett at FF, then going on ball for a stint of being RooShooter, before returning to Lockett mode just for a rest. Most of the young'uns will think I'm exaggerating!
Yes, leaving aside guys who played 100 years ago, and whose exploits are not easily amenable to scrutiny, Lethal is the best player in history IMO. It's a shame he was also a total thug, and taught thuggery to Dermie, Dippa and all his other proteges. Super super player.
Yes, leaving aside guys who played 100 years ago, and whose exploits are not easily amenable to scrutiny, Lethal is the best player in history IMO. It's a shame he was also a total thug, and taught thuggery to Dermie, Dippa and all his other proteges. Super super player.
I'm not sure they stood out much from the crowd back then, in terms of thuggery, other than having an extreme propensity to take what they give.
Twas different back in those days!
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I'm not sure they stood out much from the crowd back then, other than having an extreme propensity to take what they give.
IMO, I think they were bad even by the standards of the day. Brereton stomping on Tallis' head immediately comes to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCGi7Yy9p74
CheatsFC fans have tried to re-write history on this, claiming a one metre long section of the point post broke off and hit the boundary umpire after it had been glued on to extend it's length to VFL/AFL regulations. Except it's more than a 2m length that breaks and the end is splintered and it goes nowhere near the umpire who is also collected by Matthews.
If a modern player hit a post like that we'd all stop while they get jeeped off!
IMO, I think they were bad even by the standards of the day. Brereton stomping on Tallis' head immediately comes to mind.
Yes, but violence breeds violence, it's hard to measure them relatively.
You're talking about a general era which began with Balme being a Nthmond hero!
In the best Clarke and Dawe fashion, stick that in your pipe and smoke it while watching us battle those slack jawed gobbing ferals next Thursday, with their 500:1 crowd ratio! I think I hate them more than the Filth, perhaps second only to the Cheats. There must be something about the stain of a Sheedy that you can never wash off!
Yes, but violence breeds violence, it's hard to measure them relatively.
You're talking about a general era which began with Balme being a Nthmond hero!
I'm not sure when it began, but my memory is that the "unsociable" Hawks existed long before Clarkson.
Greg Williams over all of them.
At any rate, we have drifted somewhat off topic, so we should probably rein it back in.
At any rate, we have drifted somewhat off topic, so we should probably rein it back in.
Are you angling for a job as a moderator Paul? ;)
One thing that I have been thinking about when looking at suggested teams for Round 1, is who comes out for Williams? Is he an automatic inclusion if we win?
Even with injury clouds over several players, there is genuine competition for places in the 22, particularly when you read the review of the performances of AFL listed players in the Reserves match:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/876654/vfl-player-review-practice-match-v-st-kilda
Kennedy, Stocker, Betts, Gibbons and Owies all deserve consideration for a Round 1 place.
Are you angling for a job as a moderator Paul? ;)
One thing that I have been thinking about when looking at suggested teams for Round 1, is who comes out for Williams? Is he an automatic inclusion if we win?
Even with injury clouds over several players, there is genuine competition for places in the 22, particularly when you read the review of the performances of AFL listed players in the Reserves match:
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/876654/vfl-player-review-practice-match-v-st-kilda
Kennedy, Stocker, Betts, Gibbons and Owies all deserve consideration for a Round 1 place.
Lol. I'm not sure I'm mod material. All that power is sure to go to straight to my head. I hear the money's good though................
At any rate, if you believe the headline, Cripps seems to think Dow would be a good replacement for Williams :
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/we-know-dow-blues-not-worried-about-covering-for-williams-says-cripps-20210310-p579j2.html
Re: Best player seen, for me probably Gary Ablett senior, was the package...6'1 97kg....great mark, kick and had pace. Nothing he couldnt do well and with those dimensions very hard to find a matchup. He damaged opposition players when he hit them and like Dusty had the opposition apprehensive to tackle and stand in his path.
Probably his main weakness was his mental state on the day and how happy he was to be out there.
Dusty has great ability and nous but isnt the quickest, doesnt take the big high marks but mentally is switched on and fantastic in the big moments.
Kouta was the opposite type to Dusty IMO....great athlete, could jump with talls run as fast as the smalls and about the only way to stop him was to injure him. Football wise he wasnt a natural though and I'd mark him down for Dusty type nous or G Ablett natural football ability. Kouta had to learn to play the game and relied more on his athletic ability than the other candidates IMO..
Voss was terrific, hard, natural inside mid who didnt take prisoners but was a workhorse/distributor rather than a game icer like the others I mentioned.
Greg Williams was better than Voss imo as he could win games as well as provide to others to win games but didnt have the athletic ability of either Kouta or Ablett.
So for me its G Ablett senior, no fan of him as an individual and he is flawed in many aspects but if you separate the football
from his personal life IMO he was the best footballer I have seen play the game.
Based on exposed form and availability due to injury/suspension we could get a team that looks little like we would've picked a couple of months ago.
'
FB - Plowman - Jones - Docherty
HB - SPS - Weitering - Saad
C - Setterfield - Cripps - Dow
HF - Martin - McDonald - Murphy
FF - Silvagni - Casboult - Fisher
R - Pittonet - Walsh - Curnow
INT - Williamson - Gibbons - Fogarty - Cuningham
EMG - Cottrell - Stocker - Kennedy
Unavailable (?) - McKay, Williams, Newnes, C. Curnow, TDK, Newman, McGovern, Marchbank, Betts, Kemp
From that list of 10 'unavailables' we might get up to 4 of them playing.....McKay, Newnes, McGovern, Betts.....if they can get up from their injuries. If fit, the 4 on the bench would probably lose their spot.
However, from that 10, if all fit and firing, you'd could argue a case for 9 of them being best 22. Thats a fair whack out of your side!
Based on exposed form and availability due to injury/suspension we could get a team that looks little like we would've picked a couple of months ago.
'
FB - Plowman - Jones - Docherty
HB - SPS - Weitering - Saad
C - Setterfield - Cripps - Dow
HF - Martin - McDonald - Murphy
FF - Silvagni - Casboult - Fisher
R - Pittonet - Walsh - Curnow
INT - Williamson - Gibbons - Fogarty - Cuningham
EMG - Cottrell - Stocker - Kennedy
Unavailable (?) - McKay, Williams, Newnes, C. Curnow, TDK, Newman, McGovern, Marchbank, Betts, Kemp
From that list of 10 'unavailables' we might get up to 4 of them playing.....McKay, Newnes, McGovern, Betts.....if they can get up from their injuries. If fit, the 4 on the bench would probably lose their spot.
However, from that 10, if all fit and firing, you'd could argue a case for 9 of them being best 22. Thats a fair whack out of your side!
Just reported n Ch 7 Betts is a big chance for round 1
Here’s hoping we line up like so
Fogarty Jones Plowman
Docherty Weitering Saad
Martin Cripps Williamson
Fisher Casboult Walsh
Silvagni McKay Cunningham
Pittonet Setterfield Dow
Curnow, Murphy, Gibbons, Stocker
No room for SPS in favour of Fogarty who can at least stick a tackle. Betts and SPS to prove their case in the twos.
Betts and SPS will both be in the 22.
Betts and SPS will both be in the 22.
Samo will be for sure, Betts will be if they’re convinced that he can run out the game.
Here’s hoping we line up like so
Fogarty Jones Plowman
Docherty Weitering Saad
Martin Cripps Williamson
Fisher Casboult Walsh
Silvagni McKay Cunningham
Pittonet Setterfield Dow
Curnow, Murphy, Gibbons, Stocker
No room for SPS in favour of Fogarty who can at least stick a tackle. Betts and SPS to prove their case in the twos.
Playing a few out of position there.
Fogarty should be at the other end of the ground. If you want a back pocket in place of SPS, move willo there from the wing and replace him with Setterfield.....or put setterfield straight into the BP. Bring Ed into the guts to replace him.
A much more balanced side that way.
Samo will be for sure, Betts will be if they’re convinced that he can run out the game.
If we are serious about winning the game, then Betts has to play. He could be one of the few that has the ability to do something that the tigers can't stop. The risk/reward factor means he plays.
Re: Best player seen, for me probably Gary Ablett senior, was the package...6'1 97kg....great mark, kick and had pace. Nothing he couldnt do well and with those dimensions very hard to find a matchup. He damaged opposition players when he hit them and like Dusty had the opposition apprehensive to tackle and stand in his path.
Probably his main weakness was his mental state on the day and how happy he was to be out there.
Dusty has great ability and nous but isnt the quickest, doesnt take the big high marks but mentally is switched on and fantastic in the big moments.
Kouta was the opposite type to Dusty IMO....great athlete, could jump with talls run as fast as the smalls and about the only way to stop him was to injure him. Football wise he wasnt a natural though and I'd mark him down for Dusty type nous or G Ablett natural football ability. Kouta had to learn to play the game and relied more on his athletic ability than the other candidates IMO..
Voss was terrific, hard, natural inside mid who didnt take prisoners but was a workhorse/distributor rather than a game icer like the others I mentioned.
Greg Williams was better than Voss imo as he could win games as well as provide to others to win games but didnt have the athletic ability of either Kouta or Ablett.
So for me its G Ablett senior, no fan of him as an individual and he is flawed in many aspects but if you separate the football
from his personal life IMO he was the best footballer I have seen play the game.
For many of the reasons you mention i have fyfe marginally ahead of dusty on overall ability (high marking speed and class) dusty is a much better competitor and is possibly better at the everyday football stuff whilst fyfe is more mercurial.
Here’s hoping we line up like so
Fogarty Jones Plowman
Docherty Weitering Saad
Martin Cripps Williamson
Fisher Casboult Walsh
Silvagni McKay Cunningham
Pittonet Setterfield Dow
Curnow, Murphy, Gibbons, Stocker
No room for SPS in favour of Fogarty who can at least stick a tackle. Betts and SPS to prove their case in the twos.
Agree on SPS, dunno that Fog will back though.
Betts and SPS will both be in the 22.
Agree...need Eddies nous to create a few goals given we are down a few and have some sore soldiers.
Think SPS suits a defensive setup vs Richmond who run more small forwards than most teams, dont need to be too tall down back.
Agree...need Eddies nous to create a few goals given we are down a few and have some sore soldiers.
Think SPS suits a defensive setup vs Richmond who run more small forwards than most teams, dont need to be too tall down back.
SPS is slow and will be carved up.
SPS is slow and will be carved up.
Watched him play on Tippa vs Essendon and he did a good job, think we need three smaller defenders vs the Tigers who tend to run three smalls at least.
Agree he isnt lightening quick, can pick and choose when to go but we dont have many options and I think we have to try and
get him to replicate that game he played vs Essendon where he was close to goal.
I wouldnt put him on Bolton out at half back for example but Rioli closer to goal in the pocket is where I think he might do better.
Playing a few out of position there.
Fogarty should be at the other end of the ground. If you want a back pocket in place of SPS, move willo there from the wing and replace him with Setterfield.....or put setterfield straight into the BP. Bring Ed into the guts to replace him.
A much more balanced side that way.
We’re crying out for a small, tenacious lock down back pocket - we just don’t have one, but I’d love to see fog given a go there. Carrazzo played there for a season or so before migrating to the midfield. And fog can lay a tackle.
Playing a few out of position there.
Fogarty should be at the other end of the ground. If you want a back pocket in place of SPS, move willo there from the wing and replace him with Setterfield.....or put setterfield straight into the BP. Bring Ed into the guts to replace him.
A much more balanced side that way.
Perhaps Fogarty has the ability to turn into a BP type (in time)?
We’re crying out for a small, tenacious lock down back pocket - we just don’t have one, but I’d love to see fog given a go there. Carrazzo played there for a season or so before migrating to the midfield. And fog can lay a tackle.
Great minds!
We’re crying out for a small, tenacious lock down back pocket - we just don’t have one, but I’d love to see fog given a go there. Carrazzo played there for a season or so before migrating to the midfield. And fog can lay a tackle.
What about giving Stock a go there? Is he that far off it still?
Agree...need Eddies nous to create a few goals given we are down a few and have some sore soldiers.
Think SPS suits a defensive setup vs Richmond who run more small forwards than most teams, dont need to be too tall down back.
Eddie, Fisher, Martin and Murph could create some headaches provided our inside 50 delivery enables our talls to bring the ball to ground AND we don't try to rely on our small forwards to outmark their defenders. A bit of defensive pressure inside our forward 50 won't go astray either.
What about giving Stock a go there? Is he that far off it still?
If he had played in the seniors last game and done ok I'd be all for it as I rate him but he still seems down the pecking order for selection. If we let the Tiger small forwards have as much of the ball as the Saints small forwards last week we will be hammered.
We need to make it a tough contest which would have suited Stocker but I cant see him playing unless we have a few more injuries we dont know about...
What about giving Stock a go there? Is he that far off it still?
I think Stocker's days as a defender are behind him. He played as a midfielder in his brief cameo against the Bummers and, according to the coach, did very well in the midfield in the VFL practice match:
13. Liam Stocker
Stats: 24 disposals, six tackles, one goal
‘Stock’ played the most midfield minutes out of anyone on the ground. He also had a balanced day in terms of his stoppage work and getting out and running some really good patterns and not collapsing into the contest, which is what he’s been working on. He got rewarded a couple of times on the back of those running patterns in the centre of the ground, which really set us up in a dangerous manner when it came to moving the ball forward. He also kicked a really nice goal from about 40 out and tackled well also, so it was a good day for him.
After not having much involvement last season and learning a new role, I would expect him to be pressing for selection in the midfield after a couple of rounds. I would really like to see his attack on the ball influencing midfield contests in the near future.
If he had played in the seniors last game and done ok I'd be all for it as I rate him but he still seems down the pecking order for selection. If we let the Tiger small forwards have as much of the ball as the Saints small forwards last week we will be hammered.
We need to make it a tough contest which would have suited Stocker but I cant see him playing unless we have a few more injuries we dont know about...
I just watched the Making Their Mark doc, its no wonder they have won 3 of the last 4 flags. It will take an unbelievable group of players and coaches to knock them off. I always thought Dimma was a flog, after watching that doc, he is a just a briliant coach.
I just watched the Making Their Mark doc, its no wonder they have won 3 of the last 4 flags. It will take an unbelievable group of players and coaches to knock them off. I always thought Dimma was a flog, after watching that doc, he is a just a briliant coach.
I've still got 2 eps to go.
But did gws make a massive mistake making Cogs their captain? F*ck me he is uninspiring!
Sloane on the other hand is underrated.
I've still got 2 eps to go.
But did gws make a massive mistake making Cogs their captain? F*ck me he is uninspiring!
Sloane on the other hand is underrated.
I thought whilst Cogs isn't loud, he is developing into a very good captain. What I couldn't understand was why they dropped him. Didn't play reserves, just sat out a week and then came back in. What changed their mind form wise?
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-boosted-by-return-of-mckay-tigers-to-get-prestia-and-lynch-back-20210315-p57aua.html
McKay highly likely to play.
With Fogarty, Fisher and possibly Gibbons and then Murphy playing more forward, is there realistically a walk up start for Eddie? We all know his history etc but he needs to hit the scoreboard early in the season for mine to be able to justify a spot.
With Fogarty, Fisher and possibly Gibbons and then Murphy playing more forward, is there realistically a walk up start for Eddie? We all know his history etc but he needs to hit the scoreboard early in the season for mine to be able to justify a spot.
We signed him on for another year. No point doing that unless we give him a crack in the 1's.
No guarantee on Fogarty to get a gig. Gibbons
should get a gig, but its a harder side to stay in now. I'd play someone like Dow to reward his pre-season form and it will be someone like Cuningham, Fogarty, Gibbons that have to make way i think.
Cunningham for me.....he can play but just needs to show some consistency and ability to stay fit to justify a spot in the team or on the list for that matter. He's one that could be squeezed out altogether if guys like Fogarty and Gibbons perform.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/15/carlton-coach-categorically-rules-out-forward-for-season-opener-provides/
McGovern "categorically" ruled out by Teague, and Betts sounds like he's in the mix.
With Fogarty, Fisher and possibly Gibbons and then Murphy playing more forward, is there realistically a walk up start for Eddie? We all know his history etc but he needs to hit the scoreboard early in the season for mine to be able to justify a spot.
Their should be no walk up starts for anyone.
Cunningham for me.....he can play but just needs to show some consistency and ability to stay fit to justify a spot in the team or on the list for that matter. He's one that could be squeezed out altogether if guys like Fogarty and Gibbons perform.
TBH I'm sick of this bloke, zero consistency. Cameo Cunners is a great nick name.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/03/15/carlton-coach-categorically-rules-out-forward-for-season-opener-provides/
McGovern "categorically" ruled out by Teague, and Betts sounds like he's in the mix.
As Linda Ronstadt sang "You're no good"
TBH I'm sick of this bloke, zero consistency. Cameo Cunners is a great nick name.
Agree, cant see how gets a game ahead of Gibbons and I'd rather play Fogarty who tackles like he means it and is prepared to work harder. Agree with Krud on Dow earning a spot as well, you have to reward a good preseason of improvement and this is probably a make or break year and he needs opportunities.
IMO Cunningham needs a string of games in the twos of good form so he can show some consistency in his game...
If McGovern can't play against Richmond, I'm happy to take his place in the team. I guarantee I won't get a kick, won't take a mark, but will make myself available to high five all the other players after each score. Selfless, I know...
This is probably not the place to put this but I thought I might share my experience at trying to get a ticket for Thursday night.
First of all like most of the people on this site, from what I gather reading the posts, I'm older and like the old ways of doing things.
So I like the idea of paper tickets and going to the shop to purchase it and been able to select which seat I want to sit in, usually on the wing and under cover.
Being a ALF Gold member with club support I can afford to decide if I want to go to the football on the day depending on how I'm feeling and what the weather is like, family stuff etc, and for the most part there is an AFL members reserve at the MCG and Marvel where I can just walk up and grab a seat of my choosing, for most matches, except for high demand matches such against the bigger clubs. No issues just go and buy a ticket as explained above.
So I had a lot of trepidation about buying my tickets online via the mobile app as explained in the emails that I got from the AFL. no mention that you can do this via the AFL link to Ticketek website, which is exactly the same process. Seems easy enough. I'm going to have too get any seat that is offered to me just to go. After what we have all been through the last year a small price to pay. Hope it does not rain if I'm out in the open.
So today I log onto the app and navigate to the section, where the tickets are available at about 9:45 am, both in the app and via the Ticketek website, yes the website is also available to purchase tickets, no mention of that anywhere in the AFL email! Tension increases slightly.
So I find the game click on Get Tickets and then, I'm taken to a page where it says that there are thousands of AFL members waiting for the ticket window to open at 10:00 am, and a scrolling bar that tells me that it will check the next available ticket window in the next 10 seconds. My tension increases as I start to think I hope I can get a ticket.
So I watch the scrolling bar like an expectant father waiting for my wife to deliver our child. Tension increasing again.
10:00 am rolls around and I'm still watching the scrolling bar, I shift uncomfortably in my seat.
10:01 am and still the SCROLLING BAR!
10:02 am SCROLLING BAR STILL SCROLLING!!!
10:03 am and I'm in, YESSSSSSSSS!!!
Once it opens there is a picture of the MCG and again you need to select what section you want to select, AFL Reserve, once you select this on the page it tells you to select your preferred section, so I go for my usual place, as described above and nothing happens, everything is grayed out! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I panic and try to work out what is going on, I furiously click on every part of the MCG all to no avail, WHATS GOING ONNNNNN.
Why cant i select my seat, its not working, By this stage my I have become quite load, and I'm tapping on the keyboard and and moving the mouse around the screen so hard that it may break. My wife walks in and says whats up, I explain whats going on and she try's to help, now bless her soul but she and technology just don't get along, I on the other hand have 30 years experience in IT so think that I should be able to work this out and don't need any help, really I need all the help in the world because I was about to blow a gasket.
She walks out and leaves me to try and get the tickets, by brute force by this stage all with no success. I try the same process on the app, same result, WHAT the F.. is GOING ON.
This went on for about 10 mins, I was exhausted, frustrated and cursing the ALF, Ticket and anyone else that I could think of at this stage.
I took a couple of deep breaths and went back to the app and went back to the home page and started again. This time I saw the magic bullet, you have to put in your barcode, which I received in an email from the AFL last week, at the start of the process where it says FIND Tickets in a big Green button that stands out like dog balls on a very small screen made for older people in mind :'( :'( or enter a barcode, rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
So enter the barcode and volla, magic mountain has opened and I was able to select my tickets, in the AFL members reserve on Thursday night. Not under cover, not exactly on the wing but close enough and I will be there.
After writing this blog and going through all this crape this morning I'm exhausted. They had better give a good showing on Thursday night or will really blow a gasket.
I'm tired now and need to go lie down for some timeout.
Cheers,
Go Blues.
P.S. I got an email about 10 mins later and a text message about 30 mins after that with a link where I can download my digital ticket. Hmm technology does work in the right hands.
Well, you did it :)
Enjoy the game !!
When is the team announced?
Tomorrow I expect ... soon as the 23rd man decision is given the green light.
I think I read that they have dropped the Thursday night teams announcements (or 2 days beforehand) and have opted for 24 hours before game day.
Safe to say Betts won't play, said on 360 tonight that he wouldn't pick himself as he has only played 2 qtrs. Saw a snippet on the news about H, doesn't look like he'll play. We will be seriously undermanned, but then again with it comes opportunity for someone else.
Safe to say Betts won't play, said on 360 tonight that he wouldn't pick himself as he has only played 2 qtrs. Saw a snippet on the news about H, doesn't look like he'll play. We will be seriously undermanned, but then again with it comes opportunity for someone else.
Come on down Oscar McDonald...
Come on down Oscar McDonald...
So no Betts, no Gov, No H (it would seem) and Levi has been unseen in pre season games. OMac definitely plays but we are missing a little height.
If McKay is ruled out along with McGovern and Casboult 50/50, I'd consider a mobile and flexible rotating forward setup. This is where these coaches are separated with their plans and ideas, and ability to motivate.
'If', none of the usual tall forwards are available, along with De Koning, I'd consider Matt Kennedy to play forward with Silvagni. McDonald could be considered also to give Pittonet a rest at times.
Casboult?
Betts?
Newnes?
McKay?
B: Plowman, Jones, Weitering
Hb: Saad, Docherty, Petrevski-Seton
C: Gibbons, Cripps, Setterfield
Hf: Martin, Silvagni, Murphy
F: Fisher, Kennedy, Fogarty
Foll: Pittonet, Walsh
Rov: Dow
I/c: Williamson, McDonald, E.Curnow, Cuningham
Emg: Stocker, Owies, Parks, Cottrell
If McKay is ruled out along with McGovern and Casboult 50/50, I'd consider a mobile and flexible rotating forward setup. This is where these coaches are separated with their plans and ideas, and ability to motivate.
'If', none of the usual tall forwards are available, along with De Koning, I'd consider Matt Kennedy to play forward with Silvagni. McDonald could be considered also to give Pittonet a rest at times.
Casboult?
Betts?
Newnes?
McKay?
B: Plowman, Jones, Weitering
Hb: Saad, Docherty, Petrevski-Seton
C: Gibbons, Cripps, Setterfield
Hf: Martin, Silvagni, Murphy
F: Fisher, Kennedy, Fogarty
Foll: Pittonet, Walsh
Rov: Dow
I/c: Williamson, McDonald, E.Curnow, Cuningham
Emg: Stocker, Owies, Parks, Cottrell
Going to be hard to take a mark anyway with Richmonds tall backline so I think we do need to be more mobile and try something different. I think Harry will play along with Casboult but I'm not sure what to expect...
Harry will play injured, won't mark anything overhead and get injured again.
There is still some curse against us.
We have had all off season to get right but yet look at the outs for our first game????
As for Williams being out that's another story of the AFL being VERY anti Carlton.
Will watch with interest until the umps start paying B&*# S*@t free kicks against us.
Club official; Saad and Fogarty to debut, nothing mentioned about OMac!
Surely that means one of Big H, Meat or McGovern must be fit and ready to go, if no OMac?
Club official; Saad and Fogarty to debut, nothing mentioned about OMac!
Surely that means one of Big H, Meat or McGovern must be fit and ready to go, if no OMac?
Never said no Oscar, two players available for the last spot.
H and Levi are supposedly in. Mcg is out.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/563188/carlton-keys-to-take-on-tigers-as-blues-plan-for-23-man-team
Supposedly McKay, Levi and Newnes will play.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/563188/carlton-keys-to-take-on-tigers-as-blues-plan-for-23-man-team
Supposedly McKay, Levi and Newnes will play.
Rnd 1 and we are playing blokes either injured or havent played a PS game due to injury. Gonna be a good year.
Rnd 1 and we are playing blokes either injured or havent played a PS game due to injury. Gonna be a good year.
No point in writing off a season before a ball is even bounced IMO. Let's give the boys a chance first. I'm not expecting to win this game, but I'm expecting a good solid contribution from all 22, or 23 or whatever numbers the AFL decides, when they get around to it lol.
Rnd 1 and we are playing blokes either injured or havent played a PS game due to injury. Gonna be a good year.
Have you seen our injury list? We don't have a choice!
Talls....(back forward and rucks combined)
C. Curnow - out
M. McGovern - out
Pittonet - in
Jones - in
Weitering - in.....with ?'s
Harry - in with ?'s
Casboult - in with ?'s
TDK - out still injured i believe.....at best in with ?'s
Oscar - potential in, not sure
Who else could appear on this list? That covers all out talls. Either we take some with ?'s over them or we go in short.
Someone suggested our key forwards be done to Silvagni and Kennedy....thats they type of thing we have to do if we want to play fit players.
Have you seen our injury list? We don't have a choice!
Talls....(back forward and rucks combined)
C. Curnow - out
M. McGovern - out
Pittonet - in
Jones - in
Weitering - in.....with ?'s
Harry - in with ?'s
Casboult - in with ?'s
TDK - out still injured i believe.....at best in with ?'s
Oscar - potential in, not sure
Who else could appear on this list? That covers all out talls. Either we take some with ?'s over them or we go in short.
Someone suggested our key forwards be done to Silvagni and Kennedy....thats they type of thing we have to do if we want to play fit players.
Exactly my point, OMac must play in my opinion. No point risking H, he has hobbled off two games in a row with an ankle, do we want to make it three times (unlucky)? Levi hasn't played a game, against Richmond he will be blowing a gale in 10mins. Newnes is a small to mid size we can cover one way or another.
Exactly my point, OMac must play in my opinion. No point risking H, he has hobbled off two games in a row with an ankle, do we want to make it three times (unlucky)? Levi hasn't played a game, against Richmond he will be blowing a gale in 10mins. Newnes is a small to mid size we can cover one way or another.
I called for Omac to play before he was on our list, halfway through our last practice match....and i stand by it.
TBH, i think this sub rule would be ideal for us in this instance. Pick Omac as the guy if we dont want to pick him in the 22.
Our side will be smaller than normal anyway, and thus be easier to cover a small injury.
We get our tall insurance with him as the 23rd player.
edit: My original point that Omac might be in the best 22 already.....and we are picking injured players because we are forced too.
Omac will play. Nothing surer.
"..........while mystery surrounds Jack Martin's availability after he also watched on from the sidelines throughout the club's final session before game day."
Great!!
Missed out a ticket also, club reckons the allocation was gone in 90 seconds.
"..........while mystery surrounds Jack Martin's availability after he also watched on from the sidelines throughout the club's final session before game day."
Great!!
Maybe, if this was the regular pre-game Captain's run it's usually not compulsory. Young players feel obliged, but older experienced players often sit out!
Maybe, if this was the regular pre-game Captain's run it's usually not compulsory. Young players feel obliged, but older experienced players often sit out!
Simpson's missed the best and fairest because he had an aflw captains training run.
There is no way Martin say out optionally.
If Betts is an out I'm not sure what to think, he has a good record for us versus Nthmond at The G, but it's all pre-Crows back when the Nthmond stunk it up!
25% (10) of Betts' goals against Nthmond came in just two games.
You know we are in dire straights when we are playing LOB.
He is a confirmed in. :-[
From my understanding the ticket allocations it is about a 50:1 Pro-Nthmond crowd, and the crowd influence over umpires in a game like that will not be dissimilar to playing in Perth or Adelaide.
So my expectations are not high, I'm just going to try and enjoy it for what it is, because I doubt we can take much out of this game.
I hope all the lads get through unscathed and show a bit without getting smashed.
Half of the mcc and AFL members will be Carlton so there will be about 10,000 Carlton fans there.
Half of the mcc and AFL members will be Carlton so there will be about 10,000 Carlton fans there.
Including me. I don't have the vocal power to out-shout the marching morons, but I'll do my best.
Kruddler.....one can only assume that Jack Martin is an out then?
Kruddler.....one can only assume that Jack Martin is an out then?
I think so.
We'll find out in about 20 mins i think
I find myself circumspect re tomorrow night's game. Unlike the past few seasons when I was more confident.
We are still a WIP, especially re the introduction of newbies and players in new positions whereas the Tiggers are a well oiled machine who are never beaten until the final siren. Our pre season form still showed a little of the inconsistency - our ability to beat ourselves and allow competitors to score too easily with successive goals. The Tiggers will be planning meticulously on how to combat our strong offensive style and I still worry about our on-field leadership and our ability to make quick decisions to counteract their counter measures (to our offensive style).
All I really want to see is some consistency, over 4 quarters. And should we find ourselves in front I'd love to see some ruthless endeavour to extend that lead.
I'm neither pessimistic or optimistic. We have the cattle to win, for sure. But...
Martin officially out.
We are with a 2nds side.
Backs:
Lachie Plowman Jacob Weitering Tom Williamson
Half-backs:
Sam Docherty Liam Jones Adam Saad
Centreline:
Will Setterfield Patrick Cripps Marc Murphy
Half-forwards:
Lachie Fogarty Harry McKay Jack Newnes
Forwards:
Zac Fisher Jack Silvagni Michael Gibbons
Followers:
Marc Pittonet Sam Walsh Paddy Dow
Interchange:
Sam Petrevski-Seton Lochie O'Brien Levi Casboult Ed Curnow
Emergencies:
Matthew Cottrell Matthew Kennedy Oscar McDonald Liam Stocker
FB - Plowman Jones Williamson
HB - Docherty Weitering Saad
C - Setterfield Cripps Murphy
HF - Fogarty McKay Newnes
FF - Fisher Silvagni Gibbons
R - Pittonet Dow Walsh
Int - SPS, LOB, Levi, Ed.
EMG - Cottrell McDonald Stocker Kennedy
(one of the emergencies to be named as the 23rd just before game time)
With Casboult having to play back up ruck, I'm staggered that Oscar McDonald isn't playing. After being very optimistic going into the season, injuries have absolutely f#cked us again prior to a ball being bounced.
Backs: Lachie Plowman Jacob Weitering Tom Williamson
Half-backs: Sam Docherty Liam Jones Adam Saad
Centreline: Will Setterfield Patrick Cripps Marc Murphy
Half-forwards: Lachie Fogarty Harry McKay Jack Newnes
Forwards: Zac Fisher Jack Silvagni Michael Gibbons
Followers: Marc Pittonet Sam Walsh Paddy Dow
Interchange:
Sam Petrevski-Seton Lochie O'Brien Levi Casboult Ed Curnow
Emergencies:
Matthew Cottrell Matthew Kennedy Oscar McDonald Liam Stocker
1. Martin - FML
2. WTF have Kennedy and Stocker done wrong?
3. Glad Cameo Cunner was omitted
4. Who is the 23rd man ? One of the Emergencies? I'm guessing they havent named it yet as they are giving H until the last minute (OMac will come in)
5. H won't play surely
6. Love child SPS gets a gig
7. LOB - FML
8. I'm not confident we can stay within 5 goals of them
Good to see that Jack, Fogarty and Paddy have all been rewarded for some reasonable form at various stages in the practice matches, and to tell you the truth I thought O'Brien showed a teeny, weeny little bit in his run as well.
Look, it's not ideal but we've picked the best available apart from Levi's inclusion which must be a desperation move.
If 'H' goes out (as a few suggest) we have OMac. Wouldn't that be a great comeback story. Comes in and dominates up forward! Just dreaming, but it's round 1 FFS.
I think it's interesting that the emergencies picked (apart from OMac) didn't get a look in during the praccy matches? I'm happy if any of them come in as could very well be the case, so well done to the selection team.
First game boys. Let's keep the faith if only for a game. Or a quarter.
Can't wait to get there and start losing my voice.
Go Baggers!
Was 50/50 on our chances until bang, bang and bang.
Williams and Martin out. Levi and H underdone...
Speed will be our big problem...
Happy if we get within 5 goals and then RELOAD for the Pies next week.
%#&@!*^#!*@^#$*^#!*@^#$* injuries
F!@#ing Martin now with calf tightness. Poor guy. WTF?
We are still a shambles.
Season over already.
Funny, everybody was flying when memberships were up.
What a great opportunity for the No 3 and No 10 2017 National Draft picks to announce themselves on the big stage. It set up for them!
What a great opportunity for the No 3 and No 10 2017 National Draft picks to announce themselves on the big stage. It set up for them!
I wish them well, especially no 10 in the 2017 draft, he's gonna need it.
Did they publish our seconds side by mistake or did I miss something?
Looking at that side, we're tanking, in round 1 FFS.
Was 50/50 on our chances until bang, bang and bang.
Williams and Martin out. Levi and H underdone...
Speed will be our big problem...
Happy if we get within 5 goals and then RELOAD for the Pies next week.
Don't worry about speed, we've got LOB.
Doing anything useful with the ball......or even being able to find it while LOB is playing will be our problem. :'(
Over some of these mystifying selections... And we haven't played a game yet. .
He's an exercise....
Pick your best 6 forwards from our list if they were running at full potential.
Martin - C. Curnow - Newnes (insert resting mid/HF)
Betts - McKay - McGovern
Now lets see how many of them are playing....
Martin - C. Curnow - Newnes (insert resting mid/HF)
Betts - McKay - McGovern
Out injured
Been injured, question marks over whether he is fit
Throw in the backup options of TDK and Casboult and you'll see how well and truly rooted we are.
He's an exercise....
Pick your best 6 forwards from our list if they were running at full potential.
Martin - C. Curnow - Newnes (insert resting mid/HF)
Betts - McKay - McGovern
Now lets see how many of them are playing....
Martin - C. Curnow - Newnes (insert resting mid/HF)
Betts - McKay - McGovern
Out injured
Been injured, question marks over whether he is fit
Throw in the backup options of TDK and Casboult and you'll see how well and truly rooted we are.
My best 6 (fully fit and in form)
Martin H SOS
Fish Curnow Gov
Of those, playing tomorrow are
xxxx H SOS
Fish xxxx xxxx
Don't worry about speed, we've got LOB.
Doing anything useful with the ball......or even being able to find it while LOB is playing will be our problem. :'(
Who knows?
Maybe the kid is made of the right stuff?
That said, he puts in a shocker, it's papers stamped....too many others pressing for a crack.
Whether we can sneak a win depends on some of these kids - Fish, Dow, LOB, Willo - really stepping up.
Interesting that their tallest defender is Astbury at 195cm. Grimes and Bolta a fraction shorter.
That's a tough match up against (a fit?) agile all night against 204cm Harry and 201cm Levi - both over 100kg - 5-6kg heavier than the Tige's KPDs.....
Get the ball in there quickly. We've got enough little guys to feed off the contest if one of those two - or Jack - can't take the grab.
Beat them playing their own game essentially.
Was confident we could put up a decent effort but that team selected doesnt inspire me with confidence. I guess it presents opportunity for players and you can only hope the likes of LOB can realize this is one of their last chances on the big stage.
Their backline lacks that one big defender but they play the double team vs the tall marking player better than most.
Just have to hope Richmond are too cocky, off their game and dont turn up with max effort.
Happy to see Stocker as an Emg. Must be moving in the right direction.
Everyone getting stuck into LOB. Hopefully we get to see a little bit of what attracted the Pies in the last trade period.
FB - Plowman Jones Williamson
HB - Docherty Weitering Saad
C - Setterfield Cripps Murphy
HF - Fogarty McKay Newnes
FF - Fisher Silvagni Gibbons
R - Pittonet Dow Walsh
Int - SPS, LOB, Levi, Ed.
EMG - Cottrell McDonald Stocker Kennedy
(one of the emergencies to be named as the 23rd just before game time)
Despite the cameo tag, I’d have Cunningham well ahead of Newnes, LOB, Murphy & Gibbons amongst others. And, I’d also have Stocker ahead of Newnes and LOB.
Lastly, fingers crossed SPS plays in the midfield rather being left to flail in defence!
Was confident we could put up a decent effort but that team selected doesnt inspire me with confidence. I guess it presents opportunity for players and you can only hope the likes of LOB can realize this is one of their last chances on the big stage.
Their backline lacks that one big defender but they play the double team vs the tall marking player better than most.
Just have to hope Richmond are too cocky, off their game and dont turn up with max effort.
LOB won't realise its his last chance, its round 1, there's his out. No urgency about his game whatsoever (to date).
Richmond won't turn up cocky, like I said in a post earlier, their season started in the praccy match v Coll. if Carlton are true to form, they will start their season round 7 or 8. There's the difference. Slow starts in games, slow starts in seasons. We need to change that (tomorrow night please).
1. Martin - FML
2. WTF have Kennedy and Stocker done wrong?
3. Glad Cameo Cunner was omitted
4. Who is the 23rd man ? One of the Emergencies? I'm guessing they havent named it yet as they are giving H until the last minute (OMac will come in)
5. H won't play surely
6. Love child SPS gets a gig
7. LOB - FML
8. I'm not confident we can stay within 5 goals of them
The sub is named one hour before the game starts when we have finalised the 22.
I'm pleased to see Stocker and Cottrell named as emergencies. They must be hammering on the door of opportunity and it's got to admit them before too long. Stocker's hardness is just what we need and who couldn't like Cottrell's goal celebration?
It's an interesting 22. Gibbons didn't get much of a run in the pre-season games but has jumped ahead of other contenders. Perhaps Martin's injury and Betts's lack of preparation got him the nod. Fogarty is an interesting selection for me, laying tackles is fine but means nothing if you don't win frees and have other strings to your bow. Hopefully, he'll prove me wrong.
I think that Oscar McDonald will be the sub, if he doesn't become a last minute inclusion in the 22.
It's good to see that the MC continues to appreciate the work Samo does, but I hope they will give him more time forward of the ball.
Go Blues - let's knock the Tiggers off their perch!
Until we get a better system of going into our forward line we will always be also rans.
We need a lead up forward that we target. Our forward line is always so congested that we kick onto the heads of our players, it is so easy to defend.
The kick to a pack and hope a small snags it tactic might work 5% of the time. That is why we have huge numbers of inside 50's but little to show for the effort.
The other thing we need to tidy up is the manning up during play. As soon as there is a turn over there seems to be free oppo players everywhere. Defend first then attack!
One last thing that frustrates me is in general play. When they have the ball we have seem to have 2 or 3 players go to and try and tackle the guy with the ball, this leaves other oppo players free running by and allows for easy ball movement. Stay with a man!
You watch tonight how the Tiggers don't do it but we will.
It's been long enough for all of us I think, extremely happy to be proved wrong Carlton.
Happy to see Stocker as an Emg. Must be moving in the right direction.
Everyone getting stuck into LOB. Hopefully we get to see a little bit of what attracted the Pies in the last trade period.
Agree on Stocker.
On LOB, the ironclad laws of footy fandom dictate that at any given point in time, at least one player will, by conscious or unconscious consensus, be the designated whipping boy. He was getting some good exposure and good experience (and showing a bit IMO) before Teague put an end to all that "getting games into kids" nonsense lol. I hope LOB makes it, because what he offers would be valuable to us. To my untrained eye, there is a strong Pagan influence in Teague's style. It's very simple, low possession, gaining ground by long kicks rather than handball or short kicks etc. And in this style, an AFL ready LOB would be super. There's no chance he will ever be a Hodge, but there is a chance he could be the new Bryce lol.
Agree on Stocker.
On LOB, the ironclad laws of footy fandom dictate that at any given point in time, at least one player will, by conscious or unconscious consensus, be the designated whipping boy. He was getting some good exposure and good experience (and showing a bit IMO) before Teague put an end to all that "getting games into kids" nonsense lol. I hope LOB makes it, because what he offers would be valuable to us. To my untrained eye, there is a strong Pagan influence in Teague's style. It's very simple, low possession, gaining ground by long kicks rather than handball or short kicks etc. And in this style, an AFL ready LOB would be super. There's no chance he will ever be a Hodge, but there is a chance he could be the new Bryce lol.
I thought from limited game time LOB played OK in the pre-season runs. He got caught out of position once or twice under this new stand rule, but he wasn't alone in that regard, of course it may be that LOB is a designated sacrificial lamb under that rule, well run teams are bound to have players who are preferred/designated to stand the mark.
In my experience, fans rarely credit player improvement while hanging on to the player's past mistakes like a Wobbegong!
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Did you know there is a species of shark that can climb on trees? Drop Sharks! :o
I thought from limited game time LOB played OK in the pre-season runs. He got caught out of position once or twice under this new stand rule, but he wasn't alone in that regard, of course it may be that LOB is a designated sacrificial lamb under that rule, well run teams are bound to have players who are preferred/designated to stand the mark.
In my experience, fans rarely credit improvement, while hanging on to a player's past mistakes like a Wobbegong!
I didn't watch him that closely in the PS games, so I can't really comment. I think expectations have to be adjusted given that he's played no AFL football for ages, and coming up against the reigning premiers.
Happy to see Stocker as an Emg. Must be moving in the right direction.
Everyone getting stuck into LOB. Hopefully we get to see a little bit of what attracted the Pies in the last trade period.
Re Stocker....that...and the fact 95% of the fit players not named are rookies/more recent draftees. With the exception of Cunningham.
Re lob....I take it you didn't watch the practice match against the saints? I went into with the same hopeful optimism as you. Came out of it thinking he should never wear navy blue in the 1s again.
Encouraging to see we're talking about Stocker and LOB and they're both in contention... though, when factoring in our injury list, it may not be quite as flattering as it seems.
Nevertheless, I am looking forward to seeing the development of Stocker... we all remember his first, and only, game or two at senior level and the kid had what a lot of us like (apart from ability, of course), and that is a bit of mongrel. Personally, I love that. Every highly successful side has blokes in the starting 22 with ability AND some sh1te on the liver.
As for LOB, I still don't know - seen some good and not so good thus far, but for sure this is his make or break year - the year of 'put something in the potty, or get off the potty'.
Like McGovern, Martin is prone to missing games through injury and niggles. I love the way he plays but for me he's still more 'flash' or 'the cream on top'. I'd like to see more from him. He plays the way we want, just need more consistency. I find guys like him and Gov very frustrating with consistency of playing games, fit bodies and consistency of performance at AFL level each week.
I'm not 'expecting' a win tonight but anything less then a close hard fought loss with the game in the balance into the last quarter will be a failure IMO.
I'm not starting yet another season accepting the usual round 1 loss and then downplaying it on injuries. Sure we are below full strength but we need to start winning games that building teams over the years win, against the odds when not everything is how they want it to be. We must beat teams that we have been their bunnies, we have to cause upsets. Enough of the excuses, we must go out and throw everything at this mob with every intention of shocking the public and getting the win. Lynch had a very limited pre season, Prestia had no pre season, Houli is out and we should be better prepared fitness wise as we had a earlier start to the preseason due to them finishing later. So enough of finding reasons to soften a loss saying we fielding a 2nds team BS, We have 4-5 players out - grow some balls and stop making excuses. We have made them year in and year out in this rebuild. We must wn games this year we have been accustomed to just accepting a loss in. No more time, no more wait another 12 months, no more wait till next year trade period when we land that midfield star. The time is now to shoot up the ladder.
We have been very very patient with how long this rebuild has taken and if we are waiting for us to have a full list a fit list in form etc before we rate us we will remain a bottom 6 team.
Time is now Blues. Put up or shut up. No more excuses!
I look at the team we're putting onto the park and I realize just how much of a VFL side this is. Richmond will be unbackable favourite.
There are a couple of guys whose selection is ... questionable. I wouldn't have selected LOB, hopefully he can prove me wrong.
Re Stocker....that...and the fact 95% of the fit players not named are rookies/more recent draftees. With the exception of Cunningham.
Re lob....I take it you didn't watch the practice match against the saints? I went into with the same hopeful optimism as you. Came out of it thinking he should never wear navy blue in the 1s again.
Krudd Ive known you a long time on this forum and I have never read so much negativity from Mr Positive. You are normally the voice of calm and reason, I'm concerned.
If I see a slow start or run run of 4-5 unanswered goals, Ill dead set switch off.
I feel like the coach of the Washington generals.... Opening night zero chance. I feel like the sacrificial offering for the tigers to devour.
Something that's getting a bit tiring is the continued unavailability of certain types when we really need them EG Moneybags and Marchbank being obvious ones. Simply wonderful list management when you need a bloke on your rookie list as an insurance policy for blokes on serious coin.
The problem I have with LOBs play is the refusal to attack contests in the required manner and commit to the required physicality for senior AFL football. I wasn't the only one who saw him run under a ball last match, if he does it tonight on the big stage his card will be stamped.
Krudd Ive known you a long time on this forum and I have never read so much negativity from Mr Positive. You are normally the voice of calm and reason, I'm concerned.
For me or for lob?
Honestly, I cannot recall ever seeing a single thing that had made me believe he had what it takes to make it at afl level.
There was one play from his 1st year when someone burst out of a pack and hit someone lace out and I couldn't tell if it was lob or Dow (I was at the game, but a long way away) and never found out i don't think....but I've seen the same from Dow since so I assume it was him then. That is about as positive as I can be about lob....someone did something good that MAY have been him....but most likely not.
To explain my issue with him....and it's nothing personal, but...
- he struggles to read the play
- he struggles to read the ball in the air
- he doesn't seem to want to put his body on the line.....ever.
- he doesn't seem to work hard defensively
- he doesn't seem to have as good of a kick as has been suggested.
So....he can run around, but it's without the ball, and not chasing anyone, so it's useless running.....and that's about it.
Someone, tell me, what is it with this kid? What are people seeing? WTF were collingwood seeing? I wouldve taken their 2nd rounder for him easily.
For me or for lob?
Honestly, I cannot recall ever seeing a single thing that had made me believe he had what it takes to make it at afl level.
There was one play from his 1st year when someone burst out of a pack and hit someone lace out and I couldn't tell if it was lob or Dow (I was at the game, but a long way away) and never found out i don't think....but I've seen the same from Dow since so I assume it was him then. That is about as positive as I can be about lob....someone did something good that MAY have been him....but most likely not.
To explain my issue with him....and it's nothing personal, but...
- he struggles to read the play
- he struggles to read the ball in the air
- he doesn't seem to want to put his body on the line.....ever.
- he doesn't seem to work hard defensively
- he doesn't seem to have as good of a kick as has been suggested.
So....he can run around, but it's without the ball, and not chasing anyone, so it's useless running.....and that's about it.
Someone, tell me, what is it with this kid? What are people seeing? WTF were collingwood seeing? I wouldve taken their 2nd rounder for him easily.
Not LOB, you in general RE our chances
Not LOB, you in general RE our chances
We are playing against the team that had won 3 out of the last 4 flags. We havnt beaten them in who knows how long.
We are an improving side, but are still just improving.
One of our newest recruits is suspended. Williams
2 of our recruits from the year before are not playing Betts and martin
Over half our forward line is out injured, the other half is carrying injuries.
The opposition will be at full strength as far as I can tell.
Why is it people are positive about our chances?
You expect calm and reason, there it is.
That didn't mean the whole year is a write off, but bet your house on the tigers this week.
The only way we win is if they lose. If they turn up, we shouldn't bother.
I look at the team we're putting onto the park and I realize just how much of a VFL side this is. Richmond will be unbackable favourite.
There are a couple of guys whose selection is ... questionable. I wouldn't have selected LOB, hopefully he can prove me wrong.
Seriously you rate this line up as a VFL side? My god we are well and truly stuffed if losing 4 players turns us into a VFL side. Most teams can select 3-4 players that are missing due to injuries.
Blue glasses off we have max 4 of our starting 18 missing.
1) Williams In out best 18.
2) Martin. In our best 18.
3) Dekoning (a kid developing nicely but Pit is a fine replacement)
4) Charlie (Good luck if we are pinning our hopes on this guy - heaps of potential but hardly played in the last 2 years anyway)
That leaves only McGovern and Betts who some will list but Betts is in his final year so no good relying on him and the other guy has done SFA for us in 3 years. Neither are locks in our starting 18.
Enough excuses. Time to stand up.
Enough excuses. Time to stand up.
@shawny
If that is your line in the sand week, against the team going for a 3-peat, while we have a weakened team, you will more than likely be sorely disappointed.
I had to laugh last night, Channel Cheats and Channel Dots both reporting Carlton "at full strength", what wankers! ;D
We are playing against the team that had won 3 out of the last 4 flags. We havnt beaten them in who knows how long.
We are an improving side, but are still just improving.
One of our newest recruits is suspended. Williams
2 of our recruits from the year before are not playing Betts and martin
Over half our forward line is out injured, the other half is carrying injuries.
The opposition will be at full strength as far as I can tell.
Why is it people are positive about our chances?
You expect calm and reason, there it is.
That didn't mean the whole year is a write off, but bet your house on the tigers this week.
The only way we win is if they lose. If they turn up, we shouldn't bother.
They are selected so they are fit to play. That means then that Richmond also has Lynch and Prestia as playing injured. What about the AA defender in Houli? Every supporter can find excuses if they look hard enough.
Im over hearing all the talk every post season then the minute we have anything go against us we revert back to a losing mentality. I'm over the excuses.
All the hype said we are on the up and ready to play finals. Time to prove it to us long suffering supporters and to the media who rightly so are over all the talk too.
Anything less then a very close game tonight is a massive disappointment IMO.
@shawny
If that is your line in the sand week, against the team going for a 3-peat, while we have a weakened team, you will more than likely be sorely disappointed.
I had to laugh last night, Channel Cheats and Channel Dots both reporting Carlton "at full strength", what wankers! ;D
I didn't say it a line in the sand game but over the excuses.
What about playing Pies the next week. Have any excuses ready for that one? We lost to them last year when they literally had a B team in. Remember that.
Then we have the Dockers Port and Brisbane all in the first 6 weeks. Do we start stock pilling the excuses to be 1 -5 after 6 rounds.
Nope im not. I want to see the massive improvement we have waited 5 years for. The time is now to show it. If you are waiting for a fully fit no injuries and all in form list before seeing how we are tracking then best to lock yourself in for another bottom 4 finish cause thats going to be outcome.
I didn't say it a line in the sand game but over the excuses.
What about playing Pies the next week. Have any excuses ready for that one? We lost to them last year when they literally had a B team in. Remember that.
Then we have the Dockers Port and Brisbane all in the first 6 weeks. Do we start stock pilling the excuses to be 1 -5 after 6 rounds.
Nope im not. I want to see the massive improvement we have waited 5 years for. The time is now to show it. If you are waiting for a fully fit no injuries and all in form list before seeing how we are tracking then best to lock yourself in for another bottom 4 finish cause thats going to be outcome.
We've got most of our KPFs with either zero pre-season games or just one or two quarters while carrying an injury.
I'm afraid when I read those "enough is enough" style comments, it brings back horrible memories of the events that led our club to Pagan and Malthouse, setting us back about a decade each time! ;)
We are playing against the team that had won 3 out of the last 4 flags. We havnt beaten them in who knows how long.
We are an improving side, but are still just improving.
One of our newest recruits is suspended. Williams
2 of our recruits from the year before are not playing Betts and martin
Over half our forward line is out injured, the other half is carrying injuries.
The opposition will be at full strength as far as I can tell.
Why is it people are positive about our chances?
You expect calm and reason, there it is.
That didn't mean the whole year is a write off, but bet your house on the tigers this week.
The only way we win is if they lose. If they turn up, we shouldn't bother.
No argument from me, wasnt having a crack by the way.
They are selected so they are fit to play. That means then that Richmond also has Lynch and Prestia as playing injured. What about the AA defender in Houli? Every supporter can find excuses if they look hard enough.
Im over hearing all the talk every post season then the minute we have anything go against us we revert back to a losing mentality. I'm over the excuses.
All the hype said we are on the up and ready to play finals. Time to prove it to us long suffering supporters and to the media who rightly so are over all the talk too.
Anything less then a very close game tonight is a massive disappointment IMO.
Martin
Betts
Williams
Curnow
TDK (I'd pick him over casboult)
Newman (the forgotten man) plays instead of Williamson.
McG would be picked if fit, possibly at the expense of Jack Silvagni
Marchbank if he ever gets fit should be worthy of a spot.
Throw in Kemp who looks the part standing next to Cripps, but is injured for the 2nd year running. He'd be playing ahead of LOB any day of the week.
You have a right to be disappointed and I have a right to be realistic and say I told you so.
No argument from me, wasnt having a crack by the way.
I know you weren't.
That little spiel was to those who demand a close game from us.
I can demand my dogs flies, and he might try his hardest to do that, but it's beyond his capabilities!
Hopefully SoJ gets enough supply to have a fair crack!
Dont know how McGovern gets to be an automatic, cant get and stay fit, let alone get a kick. Think Jack has him well and truly covered at this stage and the onus is on McGovern to earn a spot with form and fitness.
Ditto for Marchbank.....he just doesnt walk back in either IMO and also has to earn a spot, things have changed and we no longer have to pick players regardless of reputation, if you cant stay on the park and deliver then you earn your place like the rest of the plebs on the list.
Marchbank needs his own personal sub he has been that dodgy with injury, Only A graders like Cripps, Weitering, Walsh etc get automatic status....
Dont know how McGovern gets to be an automatic, cant get and stay fit, let alone get a kick. Think Jack has him well and truly covered at this stage and the onus is on McGovern to earn a spot with form and fitness.
Ditto for Marchbank.....he just doesnt walk back in either IMO and also has to earn a spot, things have changed and we no longer have to pick players regardless of reputation, if you cant stay on the park and deliver then you earn your place like the rest of the plebs on the list. Only A graders like Cripps, Weitering, Walsh etc get automatic status....
I never said anything about automatic selection, gotta earn it, but on ability, I reckon they would.
But if they are not fit, the decision is made for you... which was the point... is a backup side against a fully fit (minus 1) side that dominated the game, and us, for years now
Hopefully SoJ gets enough supply to have a fair crack!
The thing with him is that he will bust a gut to make his own luck, he aint a problem.
Dont know how McGovern gets to be an automatic, cant get and stay fit, let alone get a kick. Think Jack has him well and truly covered at this stage and the onus is on McGovern to earn a spot with form and fitness.
Ditto for Marchbank.....he just doesnt walk back in either IMO and also has to earn a spot, things have changed and we no longer have to pick players regardless of reputation, if you cant stay on the park and deliver then you earn your place like the rest of the plebs on the list.
Marchbank needs his own personal sub he has been that dodgy with injury, Only A graders like Cripps, Weitering, Walsh etc get automatic status....
Pfft, Marchbank should just retire, take up a non contact sport. He has been a list clogger for us, nothing more.
Dont know how McGovern gets to be an automatic, cant get and stay fit, let alone get a kick. Think Jack has him well and truly covered at this stage and the onus is on McGovern to earn a spot with form and fitness.
Ditto for Marchbank.....he just doesnt walk back in either IMO and also has to earn a spot, things have changed and we no longer have to pick players regardless of reputation, if you cant stay on the park and deliver then you earn your place like the rest of the plebs on the list.
Marchbank needs his own personal sub he has been that dodgy with injury, Only A graders like Cripps, Weitering, Walsh etc get automatic status....
100% agree. Marchbank and McGovern are fighting for their next contract yet alone certain walk up starts. Both are ripped into when their performance is not to the standard of their potential yet they end up an excuse when they are out. Same for Newman he is amongst a group of players vying for the same position. He plays a so so game and fans want him replaced. Then is out and we really miss him. :-X
Keep the faith guys. We knocked off the pussies at GMHBA last year without a snowflakes chance of winning.
Yes, Cat's may have been off a bit, but we did play out of our skin for 3 and a bit quarters and would've have been unlucky (again) should we have lost.
Miracles DO happen. Tonight could be that game.
Didn't have as good a side back then either. Think Martin and Betts were the only noticeable absentees?
Keep the faith.
Martin
Betts
Williams
Curnow
TDK (I'd pick him over casboult)
Newman (the forgotten man) plays instead of Williamson.
McG would be picked if fit, possibly at the expense of Jack Silvagni
Marchbank if he ever gets fit should be worthy of a spot.
Throw in Kemp who looks the part standing next to Cripps, but is injured for the 2nd year running. He'd be playing ahead of LOB any day of the week.
You have a right to be disappointed and I have a right to be realistic and say I told you so.
Apart from Williams, Martin and Charlie the others are fringe players or blokes that when they play we pick crap out of them and then they are out and we really miss them. All teams have injuries it’s the main players that affect you. Imo we have 3 out tonight but far from a 2nds team line up.
Our time to make a significant move up the ladder is now. Not next year now.
I know as a fan you’re just pointing out who’s missing but I just don’t want to start another year like we are already accepting failure because we are not at full strength.
Finals teams win with adversity at times, they cause upsets. I expect us to be a finals team this year hence why Im lifting the bar.
The thing with him is that he will bust a gut to make his own luck, he aint a problem.
SoJ will also sacrifice for others, but I'm not sure it's Quid Pro Quo around our lot!
When Levi finally got out of "Me" mode, when he stopped attacking the footy for his own benefit and started running patterns that benefitted team mates, he became a much much better player. Levi benefitted and they benefitted.
I do not expect Big H to grow out of "Me" mode for another season or two at least.
Interestingly, I think McGovern gets a selection nod because he does this sacrificial part very very well, although fitness is limiting the repeat efforts. One of McGovern's problems has been that when he gets in an advantaged position Big H tends to move to the ball and drag in opponents to the contest rather than leave McGovern one out! ( Fev solved this problem with O'hAilpin by cleaning Setanta up, not one of Fev's finer moments! ) Levi use to drag opponents to the contest as well, he's learnt to draw them away!
The next part of the puzzle, is to stop the midfield mindlessly and repeatedly kicking it predictably to the same target over and over again, even if they can't hit a target it shouldn't be to the same target all the freaking time!
Waiting for Moneybags and Marchbank to come good is like waiting for Godot. Same could be said for tangible on field improvement IMHO
Imo we have 3 out tonight but far from a 2nds team line up.
Well have to agree to disagree on that.
But I'll end with this, since Charlie is out for a lot of the year, next week if Martin is fit, and Williams back, you think 2 changes and we have our best 22 out there? (Exc. Charlie)
I guarantee you there will be more than 2 ins next week. (Assuming some others recover from their injuries in time)
Interesting this snippet from Footy Classified:
Ross and Lloyd talk game (https://youtu.be/YjUElAVDmbU)
Carlton defenders take note. It will be interesting to discuss post-match.
Finals teams win with adversity at times, they cause upsets. I expect us to be a finals team this year hence why Im lifting the bar.
Finals teams win when there is a system in place they believe in, know inside out, trust and execute it week in week out. IMO we aren't there yet, we are still either defining/finding that system or learning it. For that reason, and based on what I have seen, I reckon we are still middle of the road. Will win some and lose some.
Interesting this snippet from Footy Classified:
Ross and Lloyd talk game (https://youtu.be/YjUElAVDmbU)
Carlton defenders take note. It will be interesting to discuss post-match.
Thanks for the link
Lyon far too often talks in clipped, idiosyncratic speech patterns IMO, and there are many times when it's hard to figure out the points he's trying to make. The best I could figure out is as follows :
1. Cripps might have to follow Cotchin's example and play a kick behind the ball, because he's not a great runner ?
2. Our defenders are same same and SPS is too soft, or maybe they're all soft, and shows a graph comparing years in the system between our defenders and the Tigers ? says we should not worry about system and become hard nuts like the 2000 Essendon defenders.
3. And the obligatory point about too many 5 goals lapses under Teague.
Slight change of topic. Wondering who will 'run with' Dustin Martin. Dusty has the ability to take a game away in a burst of strong play. Could it be we give this role to someone from outside the square. eg. Fogarty has been described as hard nosed at the ball, he is strongly built and has a good tackle count.
cheers Ab
Slight change of topic. Wondering who will 'run with' Dustin Martin. Dusty has the ability to take a game away in a burst of strong play. Could it be we give this role to someone from outside the square. eg. Fogarty has been described as hard nosed at the ball, he is strongly built and has a good tackle count.
cheers Ab
Maybe for a bit here or there, but giving/exposing this kid a full game on Dusty could wreck his confidence for the remainder of his career! The chances that the reverse will happen, that it will make him, are very slim.
For me Ed is the only choice, give him the same role he played on Ablett Jnr, stop Dusty and still offer some run and spread in attack. Guys like Dusty and Ablett Jnr tend to chase very very little, smart teams can hurt them going the other way!
Nthmond happy to spread the news, are the AFL are going to let Cotchin play despite him exhibiting some illness like symptoms, they said it was just Gastro?
How many Nthmond Grannys or Grandpas in that crowd?
Cotchin the people person, spreading the love! ;)
I have a very bad feeling about this game. I hope to hell it's misplaced. Very anxious.
Cotchin officially out....even if the reporter doesn't know what day it is.
Maybe for a bit here or there, but giving/exposing this kid a full game on Dusty could wreck his confidence for the remainder of his career! The chances that the reverse will happen, that it will make him, are very slim.
For me Ed is the only choice, give him the same role he played on Ablett Jnr, stop Dusty and still offer some run and spread in attack. Guys like Dusty and Ablett Jnr tend to chase very very little, smart teams can hurt them going the other way!
I tend to agree. I think frankly Dusty is surplus to requirements tonight, and could have a fairly quiet night at the office if he so chooses. I think they have us covered even if he was sidelined. Cotchin out makes things more interesting.
Cotchin officially out....even if the reporter doesn't know what day it is.
That will give us leg up, he is very important to them.
That will give us leg up, he is very important to them.
Except he spent most of the afternoon with Cripps a couple of days back! :o
Except he spent most of the afternoon with Cripps a couple of days back! :o
His team mates will have more to worry about I'd say.
That will give us leg up, he is very important to them.
Rested......
Rested......
I'm not sure that spending a lot of time on the throne is restful EB ;)
Agree with most of the sentiments on here. Charlie and Marchbank are just a bonus if they get fit and find some form....but we need to rely on the others. I still think we can find room for Levi, Pitto and TDK in the same team....Levi as CHF and Pitto/TDK sharing the ruck duties...and might just depend a bit on the teams we're playing as to match ups. With the likes of Murphy, Fisher, Gibbons, Fogarty etc as small forwards, Cunningham will get squeezed out unless he shows some exceptional form in the VFL and can stay fit. Similary, SPS will need to go up a few gears to hold his spot with Saad and Williams into our best 22.
That will give us leg up, he is very important to them.
His leadership is important to them... about evens it up re talent missing for the game. No excuses.
Thanks for the link
Lyon far too often talks in clipped, idiosyncratic speech patterns IMO, and there are many times when it's hard to figure out the points he's trying to make. The best I could figure out is as follows :
1. Cripps might have to follow Cotchin's example and play a kick behind the ball, because he's not a great runner ?
2. Our defenders are same same and SPS is too soft, or maybe they're all soft, and shows a graph comparing years in the system between our defenders and the Tigers ? says we should not worry about system and become hard nuts like the 2000 Essendon defenders.
3. And the obligatory point about too many 5 goals lapses under Teague.
Hard to argue with anything Lyon said. Our backline is good, very good, but still needs to take that next step to 'hardness'.
They had that chat before Cotchin was ruled out. Tiggers have won well without Cotchin in the past... however, with his leadership and general footy smarts missing it does even things up, somewhat.
Ross summarily dismissing any chance for us to win, surprised me a bit... not even a thought, just 'no chance'. Mmmm....
Hard to argue with anything Lyon said. Our backline is good, very good, but still needs to take that next step to 'hardness'.
They had that chat before Cotchin was ruled out. Tiggers have won well without Cotchin in the past... however, with his leadership and general footy smarts missing it does even things up, somewhat.
Ross summarily dismissing any chance for us to win, surprised me a bit... not even a thought, just 'no chance'. Mmmm....
Not just Ross, the entire panel, as well as most on here.
He also didn't rule out coaching Carlton if the opportunity arose
23rd men
Tigers. - Jack Ross
Carlton - Oscar McDonald. - Nailed it!
TBH, i think this sub rule would be ideal for us in this instance. Pick Omac as the guy if we dont want to pick him in the 22.
Our side will be smaller than normal anyway, and thus be easier to cover a small injury.
We get our tall insurance with him as the 23rd player.
Similary, SPS will need to go up a few gears to hold his spot with Saad and Williams into our best 22.
Up a few gears? He needs to start the car, back out the driveway, drive down the street, get on the freeway and get into 5th (IMO he only has two gears, Slow and Stop)
Fox showing the unfurling of the flags. If I was Teague, I would have gathered all the players, dragged them out there and made them watch it. If that doesn't inspire you, nothing will.
Fox showing the unfurling of the flags. If I was Teague, I would have gathered all the players, dragged them out there and made them watch it. If that doesn't inspire you, nothing will.
Nothing will then!
Fox showing the unfurling of the flags. If I was Teague, I would have gathered all the players, dragged them out there and made them watch it. If that doesn't inspire you, nothing will.
As discussed before, i don't think its through lack of want, i think its lack of ability by comparison. My dog aint flying no matter how inspired he is.
They reckon Cripps has gone into the rooms and they don't know why, back out there now
They reckon Cripps has gone into the rooms and they don't know why, back out there now
Nervous $h!ts? lol