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Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #105
Greg Williams over all of them.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #106
At any rate, we have drifted somewhat off topic, so we should probably rein it back in.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #107
At any rate, we have drifted somewhat off topic, so we should probably rein it back in.

Are you angling for a job as a moderator Paul?  ;)

One thing that I have been thinking about when looking at suggested teams for Round 1, is who comes out for Williams?  Is he an automatic inclusion if we win?

Even with injury clouds over several players, there is genuine competition for places in the 22, particularly when you read the review of the performances of AFL listed players in the Reserves match:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/876654/vfl-player-review-practice-match-v-st-kilda

Kennedy, Stocker, Betts, Gibbons and Owies all deserve consideration for a Round 1 place.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #108
Are you angling for a job as a moderator Paul?  ;)

One thing that I have been thinking about when looking at suggested teams for Round 1, is who comes out for Williams?  Is he an automatic inclusion if we win?

Even with injury clouds over several players, there is genuine competition for places in the 22, particularly when you read the review of the performances of AFL listed players in the Reserves match:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/876654/vfl-player-review-practice-match-v-st-kilda

Kennedy, Stocker, Betts, Gibbons and Owies all deserve consideration for a Round 1 place.

Lol. I'm not sure I'm mod material. All that power is sure to go to straight to my head. I hear the money's good though................

At any rate, if you believe the headline, Cripps seems to think Dow would be a good replacement for Williams :

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/we-know-dow-blues-not-worried-about-covering-for-williams-says-cripps-20210310-p579j2.html

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #109
Re: Best player seen, for me probably Gary Ablett senior, was the package...6'1 97kg....great mark, kick and had pace. Nothing he couldnt do well and with those dimensions very hard to find a matchup. He damaged opposition players when he hit them and like Dusty had the opposition apprehensive to tackle and stand in his path.
Probably his main weakness was his mental state on the day and how happy he was to be out there.
Dusty has great ability and nous but isnt the quickest, doesnt take the big high marks but mentally is switched on and fantastic in the big moments.
Kouta was the opposite type to Dusty IMO....great athlete, could jump with talls run as fast as the smalls and about the only way to stop him was to injure him. Football wise he wasnt a natural though and I'd mark him down for Dusty type nous or G Ablett natural football  ability. Kouta had to learn to play the game and relied more on his athletic ability than the other candidates IMO..
Voss was terrific, hard, natural inside mid who didnt take prisoners but was a workhorse/distributor rather than a game icer like the others I mentioned.
Greg Williams was better than Voss imo as he could win games as well as provide to others to win games but didnt have the athletic ability of either Kouta or Ablett.
So for me its G Ablett senior, no fan of him as an individual and he is flawed in many aspects but if you separate the football
from his personal life IMO he was the best footballer I have seen play the game.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #110
Based on exposed form and availability due to injury/suspension we could get a team that looks little like we would've picked a couple of months ago.
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FB  - Plowman - Jones - Docherty
HB  - SPS - Weitering - Saad
C   - Setterfield - Cripps - Dow
HF  - Martin - McDonald - Murphy
FF  - Silvagni - Casboult - Fisher
R   - Pittonet - Walsh - Curnow
INT - Williamson - Gibbons - Fogarty - Cuningham
EMG - Cottrell - Stocker - Kennedy

Unavailable (?) - McKay, Williams, Newnes, C. Curnow, TDK, Newman, McGovern, Marchbank, Betts, Kemp

From that list of 10 'unavailables' we might get up to 4 of them playing.....McKay, Newnes, McGovern, Betts.....if they can get up from their injuries. If fit, the 4 on the bench would probably lose their spot.
However, from that 10, if all fit and firing, you'd could argue a case for 9 of them being best 22. Thats a fair whack out of your side!


Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #111
Based on exposed form and availability due to injury/suspension we could get a team that looks little like we would've picked a couple of months ago.
Code: [Select]
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FB  - Plowman - Jones - Docherty
HB  - SPS - Weitering - Saad
C   - Setterfield - Cripps - Dow
HF  - Martin - McDonald - Murphy
FF  - Silvagni - Casboult - Fisher
R   - Pittonet - Walsh - Curnow
INT - Williamson - Gibbons - Fogarty - Cuningham
EMG - Cottrell - Stocker - Kennedy

Unavailable (?) - McKay, Williams, Newnes, C. Curnow, TDK, Newman, McGovern, Marchbank, Betts, Kemp

From that list of 10 'unavailables' we might get up to 4 of them playing.....McKay, Newnes, McGovern, Betts.....if they can get up from their injuries. If fit, the 4 on the bench would probably lose their spot.
However, from that 10, if all fit and firing, you'd could argue a case for 9 of them being best 22. Thats a fair whack out of your side!


Just reported n Ch 7 Betts is a big chance for round 1
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #112
Here’s hoping we line up like so

Fogarty Jones Plowman
Docherty Weitering Saad
Martin Cripps Williamson
Fisher Casboult Walsh
Silvagni McKay Cunningham

Pittonet Setterfield Dow

Curnow, Murphy, Gibbons, Stocker

No room for SPS in favour of Fogarty who can at least stick a tackle. Betts and SPS to prove their case in the twos.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #113
Betts and SPS will both be in the 22.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

 

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #114
Betts and SPS will both be in the 22.

Samo will be for sure, Betts will be if they’re convinced that he can run out the game.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #115
Here’s hoping we line up like so

Fogarty Jones Plowman
Docherty Weitering Saad
Martin Cripps Williamson
Fisher Casboult Walsh
Silvagni McKay Cunningham

Pittonet Setterfield Dow

Curnow, Murphy, Gibbons, Stocker

No room for SPS in favour of Fogarty who can at least stick a tackle. Betts and SPS to prove their case in the twos.
Playing a few out of position there.

Fogarty should be at the other end of the ground. If you want a back pocket in place of SPS, move willo there from the wing and replace him with Setterfield.....or put setterfield straight into the BP. Bring Ed into the guts to replace him.

A much more balanced side that way.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #116
Samo will be for sure, Betts will be if they’re convinced that he can run out the game.
If we are serious about winning the game, then Betts has to play. He could be one of the few that has the ability to do something that the tigers can't stop. The risk/reward factor means he plays.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #117
Re: Best player seen, for me probably Gary Ablett senior, was the package...6'1 97kg....great mark, kick and had pace. Nothing he couldnt do well and with those dimensions very hard to find a matchup. He damaged opposition players when he hit them and like Dusty had the opposition apprehensive to tackle and stand in his path.
Probably his main weakness was his mental state on the day and how happy he was to be out there.
Dusty has great ability and nous but isnt the quickest, doesnt take the big high marks but mentally is switched on and fantastic in the big moments.
Kouta was the opposite type to Dusty IMO....great athlete, could jump with talls run as fast as the smalls and about the only way to stop him was to injure him. Football wise he wasnt a natural though and I'd mark him down for Dusty type nous or G Ablett natural football  ability. Kouta had to learn to play the game and relied more on his athletic ability than the other candidates IMO..
Voss was terrific, hard, natural inside mid who didnt take prisoners but was a workhorse/distributor rather than a game icer like the others I mentioned.
Greg Williams was better than Voss imo as he could win games as well as provide to others to win games but didnt have the athletic ability of either Kouta or Ablett.
So for me its G Ablett senior, no fan of him as an individual and he is flawed in many aspects but if you separate the football
from his personal life IMO he was the best footballer I have seen play the game.

For many of the reasons you mention i have fyfe marginally ahead of dusty on overall ability (high marking speed and class) dusty is a much better competitor and is possibly better at the everyday football stuff whilst fyfe is more mercurial. 

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #118
Here’s hoping we line up like so

Fogarty Jones Plowman
Docherty Weitering Saad
Martin Cripps Williamson
Fisher Casboult Walsh
Silvagni McKay Cunningham

Pittonet Setterfield Dow

Curnow, Murphy, Gibbons, Stocker

No room for SPS in favour of Fogarty who can at least stick a tackle. Betts and SPS to prove their case in the twos.
Agree on SPS, dunno that Fog will back though.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #119
Betts and SPS will both be in the 22.
Agree...need Eddies nous to create a few goals given we are down a few and have some sore soldiers.
Think SPS suits a defensive setup vs Richmond who run more small forwards than most teams, dont need to be too tall down back.