Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

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Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #195 – March 18, 2021, 08:02:03 am

Until we get a better system of going into our forward line we will always be also rans.
We need a lead up forward that we target. Our forward line is always so congested that we kick onto the heads of our players, it is so easy to defend.
The kick to a pack and hope a small snags it tactic might work 5% of the time. That is why we have huge numbers of inside 50's but little to show for the effort.
The other thing we need to tidy up is the manning up during play. As soon as there is a turn over there seems to be free oppo players everywhere. Defend first then attack!
One last thing that frustrates me is in general play. When they have the ball we have seem to have 2 or 3 players go to and try and tackle the guy with the ball, this leaves other oppo players free running by and allows for easy ball movement. Stay with a man!
You watch tonight how the Tiggers don't do it but we will.
It's been long enough for all of us I think, extremely happy to be proved wrong Carlton.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #196 – March 18, 2021, 08:14:36 am

Quote from: Shakin77 on March 17, 2021, 10:08:55 pm

Happy to see Stocker as an Emg. Must be moving in the right direction.

Everyone getting stuck into LOB. Hopefully we get to see a little bit of what attracted the Pies in the last trade period.

Agree on Stocker.

On LOB, the ironclad laws of footy fandom dictate that at any given point in time, at least one player will, by conscious or unconscious consensus, be the designated whipping boy. He was getting some good exposure and good experience (and showing a bit IMO) before Teague put an end to all that "getting games into kids" nonsense lol. I hope LOB makes it, because what he offers would be valuable to us. To my untrained eye, there is a strong Pagan influence in Teague's style. It's very simple, low possession, gaining ground by long kicks rather than handball or short kicks etc. And in this style, an AFL ready LOB would be super. There's no chance he will ever be a Hodge, but there is a chance he could be the new Bryce lol.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #197 – March 18, 2021, 08:17:22 am

Quote from: PaulP on March 18, 2021, 08:14:36 am

Agree on Stocker.

On LOB, the ironclad laws of footy fandom dictate that at any given point in time, at least one player will, by conscious or unconscious consensus, be the designated whipping boy. He was getting some good exposure and good experience (and showing a bit IMO) before Teague put an end to all that "getting games into kids" nonsense lol. I hope LOB makes it, because what he offers would be valuable to us. To my untrained eye, there is a strong Pagan influence in Teague's style. It's very simple, low possession, gaining ground by long kicks rather than handball or short kicks etc. And in this style, an AFL ready LOB would be super. There's no chance he will ever be a Hodge, but there is a chance he could be the new Bryce lol.

I thought from limited game time LOB played OK in the pre-season runs. He got caught out of position once or twice under this new stand rule, but he wasn't alone in that regard, of course it may be that LOB is a designated sacrificial lamb under that rule, well run teams are bound to have players who are preferred/designated to stand the mark.

In my experience, fans rarely credit player improvement while hanging on to the player's past mistakes like a Wobbegong!

Did you know there is a species of shark that can climb on trees? Drop Sharks!

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #198 – March 18, 2021, 08:22:58 am

Quote from: LP on March 18, 2021, 08:17:22 am

I thought from limited game time LOB played OK in the pre-season runs. He got caught out of position once or twice under this new stand rule, but he wasn't alone in that regard, of course it may be that LOB is a designated sacrificial lamb under that rule, well run teams are bound to have players who are preferred/designated to stand the mark.

In my experience, fans rarely credit improvement, while hanging on to a player's past mistakes like a Wobbegong!

I didn't watch him that closely in the PS games, so I can't really comment. I think expectations have to be adjusted given that he's played no AFL football for ages, and coming up against the reigning premiers.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #199 – March 18, 2021, 08:38:55 am

Quote from: Shakin77 on March 17, 2021, 10:08:55 pm

Happy to see Stocker as an Emg. Must be moving in the right direction.

Everyone getting stuck into LOB. Hopefully we get to see a little bit of what attracted the Pies in the last trade period.

Re Stocker....that...and the fact 95% of the fit players not named are rookies/more recent draftees. With the exception of Cunningham.

Re lob....I take it you didn't watch the practice match against the saints? I went into with the same hopeful optimism as you. Came out of it thinking he should never wear navy blue in the 1s again.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #200 – March 18, 2021, 08:55:06 am

Encouraging to see we're talking about Stocker and LOB and they're both in contention... though, when factoring in our injury list, it may not be quite as flattering as it seems.

Nevertheless, I am looking forward to seeing the development of Stocker... we all remember his first, and only, game or two at senior level and the kid had what a lot of us like (apart from ability, of course), and that is a bit of mongrel. Personally, I love that. Every highly successful side has blokes in the starting 22 with ability AND some sh1te on the liver.

As for LOB, I still don't know - seen some good and not so good thus far, but for sure this is his make or break year - the year of 'put something in the potty, or get off the potty'.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #201 – March 18, 2021, 09:14:36 am

Like McGovern, Martin is prone to missing games through injury and niggles. I love the way he plays but for me he's still more 'flash' or 'the cream on top'. I'd like to see more from him. He plays the way we want, just need more consistency. I find guys like him and Gov very frustrating with consistency of playing games, fit bodies and consistency of performance at AFL level each week.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #202 – March 18, 2021, 09:34:54 am

I'm not 'expecting' a win tonight but anything less then a close hard fought loss with the game in the balance into the last quarter will be a failure IMO.

I'm not starting yet another season accepting the usual round 1 loss and then downplaying it on injuries. Sure we are below full strength but we need to start winning games that building teams over the years win, against the odds when not everything is how they want it to be. We must beat teams that we have been their bunnies, we have to cause upsets. Enough of the excuses, we must go out and throw everything at this mob with every intention of shocking the public and getting the win. Lynch had a very limited pre season, Prestia had no pre season, Houli is out and we should be better prepared fitness wise as we had a earlier start to the preseason due to them finishing later. So enough of finding reasons to soften a loss saying we fielding a 2nds team BS, We have 4-5 players out - grow some balls and stop making excuses. We have made them year in and year out in this rebuild. We must wn games this year we have been accustomed to just accepting a loss in. No more time, no more wait another 12 months, no more wait till next year trade period when we land that midfield star. The time is now to shoot up the ladder.

We have been very very patient with how long this rebuild has taken and if we are waiting for us to have a full list a fit list in form etc before we rate us we will remain a bottom 6 team.

Time is now Blues. Put up or shut up. No more excuses!

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #203 – March 18, 2021, 10:06:42 am

I look at the team we're putting onto the park and I realize just how much of a VFL side this is. Richmond will be unbackable favourite.
There are a couple of guys whose selection is ... questionable. I wouldn't have selected LOB, hopefully he can prove me wrong.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #204 – March 18, 2021, 10:09:25 am

Quote from: kruddler on March 18, 2021, 08:38:55 am

Re Stocker....that...and the fact 95% of the fit players not named are rookies/more recent draftees. With the exception of Cunningham.

Re lob....I take it you didn't watch the practice match against the saints? I went into with the same hopeful optimism as you. Came out of it thinking he should never wear navy blue in the 1s again.

Krudd Ive known you a long time on this forum and I have never read so much negativity from Mr Positive. You are normally the voice of calm and reason, I'm concerned.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #205 – March 18, 2021, 10:11:07 am

If I see a slow start or run run of 4-5 unanswered goals, Ill dead set switch off.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #206 – March 18, 2021, 10:14:00 am

I feel like the coach of the Washington generals.... Opening night zero chance. I feel like the sacrificial offering for the tigers to devour.

Something that's getting a bit tiring is the continued unavailability of certain types when we really need them EG Moneybags and Marchbank being obvious ones. Simply wonderful list management when you need a bloke on your rookie list as an insurance policy for blokes on serious coin.

The problem I have with LOBs play is the refusal to attack contests in the required manner and commit to the required physicality for senior AFL football. I wasn't the only one who saw him run under a ball last match, if he does it tonight on the big stage his card will be stamped.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #207 – March 18, 2021, 10:31:26 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton on March 18, 2021, 10:09:25 am

Krudd Ive known you a long time on this forum and I have never read so much negativity from Mr Positive. You are normally the voice of calm and reason, I'm concerned.

For me or for lob?

Honestly, I cannot recall ever seeing a single thing that had made me believe he had what it takes to make it at afl level.

There was one play from his 1st year when someone burst out of a pack and hit someone lace out and I couldn't tell if it was lob or Dow (I was at the game, but a long way away) and never found out i don't think....but I've seen the same from Dow since so I assume it was him then. That is about as positive as I can be about lob....someone did something good that MAY have been him....but most likely not.

To explain my issue with him....and it's nothing personal, but...
- he struggles to read the play
- he struggles to read the ball in the air
- he doesn't seem to want to put his body on the line.....ever.
- he doesn't seem to work hard defensively
- he doesn't seem to have as good of a kick as has been suggested.

So....he can run around, but it's without the ball, and not chasing anyone, so it's useless running.....and that's about it.

Someone, tell me, what is it with this kid? What are people seeing? WTF were collingwood seeing? I wouldve taken their 2nd rounder for him easily.

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #208 – March 18, 2021, 10:37:05 am

Quote from: kruddler on March 18, 2021, 10:31:26 am

For me or for lob?

Honestly, I cannot recall ever seeing a single thing that had made me believe he had what it takes to make it at afl level.

There was one play from his 1st year when someone burst out of a pack and hit someone lace out and I couldn't tell if it was lob or Dow (I was at the game, but a long way away) and never found out i don't think....but I've seen the same from Dow since so I assume it was him then. That is about as positive as I can be about lob....someone did something good that MAY have been him....but most likely not.

To explain my issue with him....and it's nothing personal, but...
- he struggles to read the play
- he struggles to read the ball in the air
- he doesn't seem to want to put his body on the line.....ever.
- he doesn't seem to work hard defensively
- he doesn't seem to have as good of a kick as has been suggested.

So....he can run around, but it's without the ball, and not chasing anyone, so it's useless running.....and that's about it.

Someone, tell me, what is it with this kid? What are people seeing? WTF were collingwood seeing? I wouldve taken their 2nd rounder for him easily.

Not LOB, you in general RE our chances

Re: Pre-Game 2021 AFL Rnd 1: Richmond vs Carlton.

Reply #209 – March 18, 2021, 10:48:32 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton on March 18, 2021, 10:37:05 am

Not LOB, you in general RE our chances

We are playing against the team that had won 3 out of the last 4 flags. We havnt beaten them in who knows how long.
We are an improving side, but are still just improving.
One of our newest recruits is suspended. Williams
2 of our recruits from the year before are not playing Betts and martin
Over half our forward line is out injured, the other half is carrying injuries.
The opposition will be at full strength as far as I can tell.

Why is it people are positive about our chances?

You expect calm and reason, there it is.
That didn't mean the whole year is a write off, but bet your house on the tigers this week.
The only way we win is if they lose. If they turn up, we shouldn't bother.