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Title: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: Dominator_7 on August 03, 2015, 03:44:35 pm
My thoughts.

- Dew or Bolton appointed Senior Coach
- John Barker appointed VFL coach
- New Recruiting Manager
- Overhaul of our development staff
- Jono Brown to replace Brad Green as one of our Assistant Coaches
- Geelong's 1st Pick for Hendon, passed to Brisbane for Aish
- Keep Yazz, unless a super tempting deal is offered
- Carlisle for our 2nd rounder
- Nab one of Aish or Carlisle in the PSD if either Brisbane or predicable the Scum are being difficult in negotiations.
- Bailey Rice to choose us
- Grab SOS Jr Mk I with a late pick, so he can start his development through the VFL next year instead of another year of TAC Cup.
- Weitering with our 1st pick



Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: Juddkreuzer on August 03, 2015, 04:06:37 pm
Jono Brown to replace Brad Green as one of our Assistant Coaches

Reckon he's making too much coin in the media to switch to an assistant role.
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: Lods on August 03, 2015, 04:15:57 pm
Total board spill and a new ticket.

Barker coach....Bomber Thompson in a director of coaching role (he can step into the coach's job if things go pear shaped. ;))

Trade/delist any player identified as not wanting to be there. (they know who they are.)
Put it on them....if you want out we'll make it happen. (Except Cripps...chain him to the wall  ;D)

Replace Andrew McKay
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: MilkIt on August 03, 2015, 04:50:59 pm
- Dew Coach or Bolton as second preference
- John Barker as Northern Blues Coach
- Board shake up
- Henderson trade (first round pick would be nice)
- Weitering, SOS II and Rice drafted
- Sav to Coach Cripps' goalkicking
- Put size onto our players in the gym
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: Shonkytonks on August 03, 2015, 06:46:41 pm
-Couldn't handle Boltons smile for 3 years. Dew for me.
-No training camps-team bonding clearly didn't work last pre-season, they are still selfish.
-New fitness and conditioning team, new skills team, basically
-Sack all the Asst Coaches. True, the recruiters stiffed them, but seriously, get new ones that have played in lots of finals, lots and lots of finals.
-Learn a gameplan that works for a young team. Learn it, drill, it, learn it again.
-Demote Captain Carlton. We are the Navy Blues. Admiral Carlton is a better fit. :P

go Baggers
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: crashlander on August 03, 2015, 07:46:09 pm
[1] Put more resources into the Northern Blues with a full time coach, not just one of our development lads, and a decent list. get them training with the seniors as much as possible and get some real esprit de corps in them.
[2] Evaluate the fitness regime, so we an be the fittest club in the comp.
[3] Work on our skills under pressure, so we don't miss targets.
[4] Make sure all of our lads go through the goal kicking stuff. Nobody get to leave until they kick their quota of goals. That includes all of the defenders.
[5] With a new head coach, it will be highly likely that there will be changes in the assistant's ranks. Fine. Get together a good team and get them to work as such.
[6] Manage the list to make sure we have no possible outstanding free agents. Massage the contracts to make sure we have a tough minded, committed bunch of players. Trade out the ones who are not committed if necessary.
[7] Get the Draft right! No more disasters like 2010.
[8] Evaluate the board. Determine who is playing power games and who is there for the club. Get in some fresh talent if necessary, especially considering a few ex-players.
[10] Start using some of our resources to provide more for our players, so our players do not have as much time on their hands to get into trouble, so that our players know there will be benefits of being at Carlton other than just a decent pay packet, get them involved in many aspects of the club so they feel they matter more to the club.
[11] Have SOS analyse the recruiting process, so we become the leader in recruiting. Granted he already has a big role in the development of our recruiting department, but we need to make sure we get things right.
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: kruddler on August 03, 2015, 07:50:26 pm
Total board spill and a new ticket.

Barker coach....Bomber Thompson in a director of coaching role (he can step into the coach's job if things go pear shaped. ;))

Trade/delist any player identified as not wanting to be there. (they know who they are.)
Put it on them....if you want out we'll make it happen. (Except Cripps...chain him to the wall  ;D)

Replace Andrew McKay

Agree on board spill.

Reckon we need someone other than Barker as coach. Director of coaching role should be created, Bomber would do.

I reckon SOS and a director of coaching role could probably absorb McKays responsibilities.
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 03, 2015, 09:09:20 pm
Stand alone VFL team.....there can be no argument against given the failure of development and the NB's as a joint team..its reached embarrassing levels.
Webster fired and replaced with Rohan Welsh

Ross Lyon as coach  with Simon Lloyd as head of development to work with SOS....will cost but money can make it happen....Dew, Bolton, Barker are all risky...Lyon has turned crap clubs around twice and has the runs on the board..

The board spilled...

Andy McKay moved on

No to Aish...soft overated, overhyped dud......

Yes to Carlisle...PSD...Bombers get nothing...

Henderson and Yarran traded out......

Weitering with our first pick...

Inducements to get Rice to pick us...

No Director of coaching....biggest BS position in football... a decent coach doesnt need some old has been to hold his hand...(thats no slight on Lods or others who rate the position...I just dont see any use for a DOC.)

Cripps made Vice Captain




Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: crashlander on August 03, 2015, 09:14:30 pm
[1] Put more resources into the Northern Blues with a full time coach, not just one of our development lads, and a decent list. get them training with the seniors as much as possible and get some real esprit de corps in them.
[2] Evaluate the fitness regime, so we an be the fittest club in the comp.
[3] Work on our skills under pressure, so we don't miss targets.
[4] Make sure all of our lads go through the goal kicking stuff. Nobody get to leave until they kick their quota of goals. That includes all of the defenders.
These are some of the simple things we need to work on. For ages we have noted the relationship with Preston and noted the lack of talent coming through that side. We've noticed the relative lack of spirit: too many guys leaving for 'opportunities'. We've noticed the poor skills and the terrible goal kicking. These should be fixable.

Improving the fitness of the whole Northern Blues squad is a good thing for us. But making us the fittest club in the comp may be quite difficult. We want to be the leaders, but we don't want to end up taking stupid risks, like the Essendon Supplements Program. This needs money and I am not sure we have enough yet.
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: thrunthrublu on August 03, 2015, 09:17:57 pm
excellent suggestions on here. I hope the club is watching
Reminding all, there's no quick fixes or easy way out
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: Lods on August 03, 2015, 09:19:27 pm
No Director of coaching....biggest BS position in football... a decent coach doesnt need some old has been to hold his hand...(thats no slight on Lods or others who rate the position...I just dont see any use for a DOC.)

No slight taken. ;)
A Ross Lyon type wouldn't need that position.

I only see it of use with a rookie coach...more in an advisory (been there, done that) role
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: thrunthrublu on August 03, 2015, 09:24:26 pm
i prefer to see a busting to be proven rookie coach that we back in for good and bad
who has the capacity to learn, improve and is hungry for success.
Most importantly, he gets the players to buy in 100%
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: Mantis on August 03, 2015, 09:34:32 pm
I would like to see enough changes that we all have hope the club will move forward and improve over the pre season. I would also like to see the players unite and do everything in their own individual powers to improve their abilities. If that means extra home work then so be it. We need a hungry side that is fit and ready to engage a massive performance from game one. Not the dead start we saw at the start of this season. How a side can look so flat in the first round is beyond me. Round 1 should be played as though it is a grand final IMO.

Many of the suggested comments in this thread is just the start we need to be fresh and ready for 2016. The players must buy into the concept of the "New Carlton" though. They have to believe and be ready to do their role to the best of their abilities. Every player needs to be fully accountable. No more passengers.
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: Jofo on August 03, 2015, 09:35:56 pm
My thoughts.

- Dew or Bolton appointed Senior Coach
- John Barker appointed VFL coach
- New Recruiting Manager
- Overhaul of our development staff
- Jono Brown to replace Brad Green as one of our Assistant Coaches
- Geelong's 1st Pick for Hendon, passed to Brisbane for Aish
- Keep Yazz, unless a super tempting deal is offered
- Carlisle for our 2nd rounder
- Nab one of Aish or Carlisle in the PSD if either Brisbane or predicable the Scum are being difficult in negotiations.
- Bailey Rice to choose us
- Grab SOS Jr Mk I with a late pick, so he can start his development through the VFL next year instead of another year of TAC Cup.
- Weitering with our 1st pick

Good thought. Dunno about Carlisle though. We can't afford another player that can't kick well.
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: Dominator_7 on August 03, 2015, 10:36:33 pm
Whatever we do, DO NOT PAY OVERS if we go after James Aish or Jake C.
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: cimm1979 on August 04, 2015, 12:21:08 am
Sorry Elwood.

The thought that not having a stand alone team is somehow holding us back is bogus.

They do whatever we tell them.

Any problems between the two teams are 100% our fault.

Our development might be crap, but it's got fudge all to do with the NBs.
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: Vivian on August 04, 2015, 12:43:56 am
Covered some in another thread but want to see change take place in a structured way, in so far as it has some logic and coherence to it. There is enough chaos without having more babies turfed out.

A little more board turnover from the 3 last year. Total board shakeups are highly disruptive, and any new ticket, if it did exisit would have a long learning period anyway. So 2 changes would be good, with a view to this many over the next 3 years.

Obviously a head coach appointed prior to draft. I want us to take some risks with the head coach appointment, so i would like to see the new head coach be a head of coaching, with direct oversight of both the senior and reserves. Ideally, in 3 years time, i would like to see a situation where the most senior assistant is taking charge on quite a few match days. This is a more innovative direction, and is where coaching is going. Head coach is an executive role in charge of a team of coaches. This would hopefully breed more accountability and thus better performance.

Spill all assistant coach and other key support roles over the next 8 to 12 months. Retain head coach recruitment panel plus new head coach to interview and recruit for roles. If barker and laidly and co want the job then they are welcome but they must offer something different, as they have been a part of the failure so far, however small. Many assistants are being paid good money, so this should not be shied away from.

Investment in NB and the relationship with the senior team, with a view to a standalone team or equivalent in 3 to 4 years. Coaching of NB to be fully integrated with senior development, otherwise we are kidding ourselves.

All players to have their own programs. This may be the case now, but given the number of players with major deficiencies that have continued season after season im not so sure.

And finaly, and only partly seriously, put the past premiership cups in the foyer at PP away for a while, if only to try and exorcise the demons of the past. It is holding us back from paying sufficient attention to the future.
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 04, 2015, 01:46:01 pm
Sorry Elwood.

The thought that not having a stand alone team is somehow holding us back is bogus.

They do whatever we tell them.

Any problems between the two teams are 100% our fault.

Our development might be crap, but it's got fudge all to do with the NBs.

We will have to disagree on this one Cimm.......I think some of the other clubs who have gone stand alone have improved and I'd like to give it
a go with a new coach and better resources...
Title: Re: What do you want to see happen over this pre season ?
Post by: DJC on August 04, 2015, 03:49:49 pm
- The Board to ratify the selection panel's decision for our new Senior Coach (I'm more than happy with the panel and I think they will make the right choice).
- However, I will be very surprised if John Barker gets the gig.  He has potential and I would like to see him coaching the NBs for a couple of seasons.
- Sign Sav Rocca on for a couple of seasons to work on our goal kicking.
- Replace all of the other assistant coaches, preferably with people who have experienced premiership success in the last decade.
- Appoint a dedicated development coach.
- Draft Aaron Francis with our first pick.
- Say goodbye and thanks for all the fish to Carrazzo, Warnock, Ellard, Jones, Tutt and Watson.
- Have a hard look at Dick, Whiley, Wood, Walker and Jamison (the latter two in relation to their fitness and durability).
- Entertain any realistic trade offers as long as we don't bend over and/or bring in any more fringe players.
- Draft Bailey Rice and Jack Silvagni as father-son picks (the latter's injury may help us to get both).
- Replace Buttifant & co with a fitness team that focuses on strength and endurance.
- Employ a tackling coach.
- Send Boekhorst, Smith, Jaksch, Viojo-Rainbow, Menzel, Graham and Holman to Leo Berry's gym.