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Couple of comments...
I'll preface my first comment by saying based on the first half performance, we should never have been in the game, and should have lost by well over a hundred points...
BUT, they only won because of the umpires killing us in the second half. That was almost an almost as disgraceful effort by those maggot kents as it was by Carlton in the first half.
Nick Graham should never play firsts again. I don't care if we can't get 22 fit blokes out there, at least we will know there is a gap.
Weitering should not play firsts again this year. If he is injured then get him right, if he is just playing crape, then let him get confidence back in the 2s.
That's not me blaming only those 2 players, that was abysmal by the whole team. And that wasn't a loss to be blamed on inexperience. It was lazy, bruise free (except Gibbs in the 3rd quarter), and just disgusting skill level football.
We will have very good key talls in 2019.
Missing Cripps and Curnow
Cunningham needs to do more. He can't afford to let these games go past him.
Seriously out-coached. Fancy being outdone by a younger, less experienced group.
Out 'mongrelled'... our boys were seriously spooked by intimidating and brutal (legal) tactics.
The only reason we got a few cheapies was due to their inexperience in relaxing and letting us back in... but when it mattered, when we got close, they brushed us aside... and we're talking about the bottom side here :o
Oh well, SOS will be happy.
Dare we mention the 't' word...??? :-[
Pumped by the bottom side. Pathetic. When are the excuses going to stop?
Bolton needs to be put on notice.
Pumped by the bottom side. Pathetic. When are the excuses going to stop?
Bolton needs to be put on notice.
In the pre-game that talked to Chris Fagan about Bolton/Carltons style.
He said they play a keepings off, go long down the line style.
Lucky we don't play that outdated Mick Malthouse gameplan anymore. :-[
Well $hit!
Every year we tend to give away the season early. This year it would ruin a good rebuilding year where we were highly competitive against some good sides.
Wouldn't be Carlton if we didn't beat the top side then lose to the bottom side.
In the pre-game that talked to Chris Fagan about Bolton/Carltons style.
He said they play a keepings off, go long down the line style.
Lucky we don't play that outdated Mick Malthouse gameplan anymore. :-[
Helps when Bolton allows the oppositions best players to run around unmanned.....game plan wasnt the issue it was the basic fundamentals that were missing in our game.
The game plan has been unmasked for a while...and there is no plan B...
Only think i got out of that is that Harry can play.
Some good players up forward but they'd freeze to death waiting for us to get it there.
Thought our kids did as well or better then expected.
BUT apart from Kruezer who tries his ar5e off for 120 mins, Gibbs, Simmo, Daisy, and even Murphy had little to no effect when the game was on the line in the first half. Murphy and Simmo got going after the half time and tried to lift us but the damage was done by then.
Gibbs 8 touches ::) along with Thomas gave our kids nothing for 4 quarters. Been good this year but today was terrible. On the flip side there leaders in Zorko and Beams were match winners.
Put simply, our current list we will only win games of footy when our senior players impact the game. Its as simply as that.
Geez we miss Crippa.
So, so reminiscent of previous outings at the Gabba - what's with that?
We simply do not appear to be in the zone in first halves ???
Except for the following green shoots (and I have searched high & low).
Harry - well done son. Clunked some lovely marks and got a few shots in.
Williamson - sensational return from injury.
Charlie - blinder. RS stocks just went up.
SOJ - well done under the varied structure. Some nice SOS defensive marks.
Zac - terrier like again.
Cunningham- great in patches, need to work on consistency.
Samo - good effort against seasoned snipper opponents.
McCreadie, Docherty, and Plowman - solid but suffered the lack of organization. Weiters 2nd yr blues?
Jonesy - my guess, game high 1%ers again. Wright - solid, but missed a sitter. Daisy a pass, just.
And folks, there lies our future. IMO The rest were passengers relative to their experience and $.
If Zorko doesn't get rubbed out, this gig is a comedy show.
If we don't get a pp, see above.
Any style will get flogged when there is a lack of hard work to lead combined with truly awful kicking. We had shockers, but kerridge, Graeme, fisher are just poor kicks. Terrible leadership. Our back line fell apart with docherty in the middle. Without Rowe or silvagni in defence we are a rabble that don't know what to do or can only hold a basic function like Jones.
Troubling that our end of year sort out has kicked in so soon. A deplorable performance against the bottom side.
Concerned about curnows set shots. He hooks it savagely and is going to miss a lot if he keeps it up.
On the positive side, McKay did some good things. And I do always like the Gabba's multi coloured seats. Offers a pleasing range of hues in the evening and makes the crowd look larger than it mostly is.
Alastair Clarkson won 14 games in his first two years
Bolton so far has won 12 may end up with 14 wins with a worse list.
I expect 10-12 wins next year.. this was always a development year and have a chance of getting 1-2 more rising star nominations.
But we need depth when we lose players like Curnow and Cripps...
Helps when Bolton allows the oppositions best players to run around unmanned.....game plan wasnt the issue it was the basic fundamentals that were missing in our game.
The game plan has been unmasked for a while...and there is no plan B...
While I agree leaving Zorko do what he pleased was madness having your best player this year gets his first kick half way thru the 3rd quarter (Gibbs) and your other so called leaders in Murphy, Simmo and Thomas do SFA until the game was shot was IMO more the reason we lost then one dimensional game plan.
Gee, just like old times in the media. Lions win cellar-dweller. That just hurts.
It's been said but young and inexperienced sides won't win many games unless the senior players stand up and today ours didn't, except maybe Kreuzer.
Murphy plugged away and Docherty got going a bit in the second half but Simpson, Thomas and Gibbs had days they'd rather forget, Simpson was responsible for probably the two worst turnovers of the day.
McKay showed enough, Silvagni doesn't look comfortable in defence, Petrevski-Seton, Fisher, Cunningham, Williamson and Macredie were all ok.
Charlie Curnow was about our best, he's a seriously good player.
No use crying about it, reload for next week and keep faith in our youngsters.
Alastair Clarkson won 14 games in his first two years
Bolton so far has won 12 may end up with 14 wins with a worse list.
I expect 10-12 wins next year.. this was always a development year and have a chance of getting 1-2 more rising star nominations.
But we need depth when we lose players like Curnow and Cripps...
This is true, but he won 5 games in 05, then 9 in 06. We won 7 last year, and we won't reach that this year - Geelong, Ess, West Coast, Hawks, Swans left to play. We may end up with the spoon.
Alastair Clarkson won 14 games in his first two years
Bolton so far has won 12 may end up with 14 wins with a worse list.
I expect 10-12 wins next year.. this was always a development year and have a chance of getting 1-2 more rising star nominations.
But we need depth when we lose players like Curnow and Cripps...
I guess that because BB comes from the Clarkson camp that comparisons are inevitable... but if they are we should note that Clarkson coached 5 wins in his first season and 9 in his second (including winning their last 4 games). A year later they were a contender and a year after that they won a premiership. The BB graph looks nothing like Clarkson's first two seasons.
Didn't see the game but from what I can gather:
- we were outcoached?
- we weren't 'switched on' at the start of an interstate game?
- our leaders went MIA when we needed them most?
- we failed to kick more than 100 points?
- we're now a chance for the wooden spoon?
You shut up.
It's been said but young and inexperienced sides won't win many games unless the senior players stand up and today ours didn't, except maybe Kreuzer.
Murphy plugged away and Docherty got going a bit in the second half but Simpson, Thomas and Gibbs had days they'd rather forget, Simpson was responsible for probably the two worst turnovers of the day.
McKay showed enough, Silvagni doesn't look comfortable in defence, Petrevski-Seton, Fisher, Cunningham, Williamson and Macredie were all ok.
Charlie Curnow was about our best, he's a seriously good player.
No use crying about it, reload for next week and keep faith in our youngsters.
Took the words right out of my mouth ... so I'll just keep quiet ;)
I was pleased with Harry's debut, Bolton's decision to play Silvagni in defence and Fisher and Samo's development.
Alastair Clarkson won 14 games in his first two years
Bolton so far has won 12 may end up with 14 wins with a worse list.
I expect 10-12 wins next year.. this was always a development year and have a chance of getting 1-2 more rising star nominations.
But we need depth when we lose players like Curnow and Cripps...
Gee that's the most cheerful thing I've come across today.
Thanks pinot ;)
I must read this again later, when my hearts back in my chest..
If this loss, as some suggest, is any sort of strategy by the club, I'm simply not up to it. I need to cry now :'(
Seems that when Simmo plays up the ground his foot skills are as unreliable as our poorer foot users in the team.
Couple of horrible turnovers late today left me shaking my head as some were easy 25 metre hit ups.
When your senior players do that, its very hard for the kids to believe we can win.
Seems that when Simmo plays up the ground his foot skills are as unreliable as our poorer foot users in the team.
Couple of horrible turnovers late today left me shaking my head as some where easy 25 metre hit ups.
When your senior players do that very hard for the kids to believe we can win
Noticed similar Shawny , his skill set is starting to look suspect , heart of the team no doubt, will be an interesting conversation in a few weeks
Just finished watching recorded game, that was a joke surely, they were taking the pi55 in the first half, seriously disappointed with that lack of effort, we are still miles off...oh and if I get a chance, I'd luv to belt Rhys Mathieson, he is a germ of the highest order, and the men in green continue to reward him for his parasitic diving...not someone I'd like in my team????????
I didn't see a single minute. I hope I never do.
We haven't beaten them last year or this. It is almost as much as an embarrassment as the VFL side yesterday.
I was almost going to go, glad sanity hit & I didn't , but lots to like collectively as a group, lots of young talent on display
Let's give some credit to Brisbane...they played well, they had some organisation, they kept it moving quickly...when they're on they are on; they looked this good against the Dockers at home too.
The umpires need to wake up over Mathieson and his weak knees in a tackle. That first free gifted them a goal...Cunningham's(?) tackle was under his armpits the whole time. Mathieson is a squib that will increasingly draw derision
Just finished watching recorded game, that was a joke surely, they were taking the pi55 in the first half, seriously disappointed with that lack of effort, we are still miles off...oh and if I get a chance, I'd luv to belt Rhys Mathieson, he is a germ of the highest order, and the men in green continue to reward him for his parasitic diving...not someone I'd like in my team????????
Agree about Mathieson, real grub, up there with Matthew LLoyd and Lindsay Thomas for an acting award as well.
Zorko is another who needs some close attention...thought Samo did a good job on him late .
Give Brisbane credit? They were the worst team in the comp until today.
From Bolton's presser: "Our readiness when playing interstate is something we need to attain. It's a learned skill."
Hey Brendon, try this ...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4323/36062941136_15581f28d2_n.jpg)
From Bolton's presser: "Our readiness when playing interstate is something we need to attain. It's a learned skill."
Hey Brendon, try this ...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4323/36062941136_15581f28d2_n.jpg)
He must be referring to his work in the coaches box....for a teacher.. he needs more learning....
I'm more upset that I tipped us haha. I had a chance to get two games clear in my family footy tipping. Is till hate losing though. And for some reason I've got an extremely step by dislike for Brisbane.
Bring on 2018 I think it's going to a much more fruitful year in the victory department.
One more year bringing in another haul of talented youngsters then we need to plug gaps with A graders.
Took the words right out of my mouth ... so I'll just keep quiet ;)
I was pleased with Harry's debut, Bolton's decision to play Silvagni in defence and Fisher and Samo's development.
What was pleasing about that?
I think there are 2 players on our list that average more goals a game than Jack who averages (0.96 goals a game)
1. Levi Casboult (1.08 goals a game)
2. Matthew Wright (1.18 goals a game)
Jack is about as pure of a forward as we have on our list. Let him learn his craft there. He kicked 3 goals only 2 weeks ago.
Jonesy - my guess, game high 1%ers again.
You would guess right ;) :D
Game high 15 ...next best for us was 4 :(
Disappointing in the lack of backbone shown by our leaders. Did anyone try to take out Rockcliff? Did anyone put Zorko into the dirt? Mathieson has a head that is just asking to be ripped off, if he wants to duck then get him in a headlock and plow his head into the ground. Soft Soft Soft, how do you play Carlton, you pick on their leaders and no one will stand up.
It took Samo to stand up to Zorko and when Samo didn't flinch when the knob jockey came at him we started to walk that bit taller. We missed White, Alex Silvagni and Ed Curnow who wouldn't stand for that bullsh1t.
Why is Jack down back? We don't have enough good players forward who are smart to throw him back for education sake.
I hope what the jungle drums are saying about Casboult are right 4 years at 700K from Richmond which should net us a 2nd round compensation pick.
Why give a 50 against our player running around the back but laugh at our players when a Brisbane guy did the same thing. The umpiring was atrocious all game long, allowing Rockcliff to turn his back on the bounce and grab Gibbs at every ball up, do that to Dangerfield and there would be an outrage, saying how such a tactic is ruining the ball winners, yet Rockcliff is being lauded for sacrificing his game while giving away multiple unpaid frees. All you need is a drive by with an elbow to his ribs to free Gibbs up, Kerridge I'm looking at you.
If Zorko doesn't get reported for the punch on Plowman then pack up and give the game away. It shows the umpire looking directly at the punch and he didn't pay the free, Plowman wasn't acting, he couldn't breathe and his eyes were watering minutes after the punch.
Cunningham is going to be a player he's tough around the contest and hands are getting much better, if anyone thinks he's not doing well have a good look at yourself.
Harry showed that a key forward is only as good as his supply, how could the kid expect to do well in the VFL when hes getting zero quality ball. I hope he's played for the rest of the year, he definitely showed enough before running out of puff. He looks like a true CHF as he hits the wings and works his way back.
Samo, pure class and showed the "senior" players how to stand up to a sniper. This is a man who rode bulls, as if a little piss ant like Zorko would intimidate him.
Fisher, great pressure but he needs to do more with the ball.
Charlie, he gets it now. A gun in the making.
Weitering, put him at CHB and develop him with the back line. I'm afraid we killed his second season playing him forward and chipping the ball around so he was starved of opportunity.
I thought that going after a Kelly would be the right thing to do this year but looking that I don't know. We need more grunt around the ball, cause without Cripps we're soft. However Kellys pace would be nice too.
A very poor effort in the first half which was the most disapointed I've been all year. I just pray that we practise forward craft this off season cause we have no real way of getting the ball in apart from the long bomb and when a team like Brisbane who has some good bigs down there tears us a new one we need a better thought out way forward.
Just finished watching recorded game, that was a joke surely, they were taking the pi55 in the first half, seriously disappointed with that lack of effort, we are still miles off...oh and if I get a chance, I'd luv to belt Rhys Mathieson, he is a germ of the highest order, and the men in green continue to reward him for his parasitic diving...not someone I'd like in my team????????
I'd say hipwood is his protégé. He probably says????????, happy to have you.
On the bright side. We won in the personal grooming stakes. Lions seriously bad haircuts, or lack of... See matheison and hipwood for example.
You would guess right ;) :D
Game high 15 ...next best for us was 4 :(
Got to love his efforts don't you. Even with such a poor team performance, he busts his gut to make the play. Him and Kruezer both. Very similar in their unfailing commitment to the jumper. Clone him ...
Great post Raydan
Disappointing in the lack of backbone shown by our leaders. Did anyone try to take out Rockcliff? Did anyone put Zorko into the dirt? Mathieson has a head that is just asking to be ripped off, if he wants to duck then get him in a headlock and plow his head into the ground. Soft Soft Soft, how do you play Carlton, you pick on their leaders and no one will stand up.
Hardly a new thing. Judd then later Crippa masked over a lot of softness for many a year.
I'd trade Murphy in a heartbeat and I'm very much hoping my Gibbs intel is rock solid.
Our midfield is not only soft, it is very shallow and one dimensional.
I thought that going after a Kelly would be the right thing to do this year but looking that I don't know. We need more grunt around the ball, cause without Cripps we're soft. However Kellys pace would be nice too.
Been saying it for ages...we failed to recruit another couple of big bodied mids to help Cripps, as soon as he has gone down we are exposed and soft.
Ed Curnow being out doesnt help either as at least he knows how to mind an opponent...
Bolton had a shocker in the coaches box as well...
Pains me when it's not the kids that are the problem. Until recently I was pleased with the greatly improved and more consistent on field effort.... But today the club's so-called leaders like Gibbs and Thomas...FMD...that was unacceptable.
The overall softness was galling. I'm over our blokes letting themselves get owned physically by muppets week in week out.
Great post Raydan
x2
Why was JSOS in defence?
Why did Gibbs not get a touch in the first half?
Where was Murphy in first half.
Is Daisy done? Did sweet FA imo except for constant snaps close to goals that missed!
The umpiring was absolutely atrocious - I get they can't help but play to what the crowd demands but seriously? Holding the ball against Brisbane just never paid. How Tf can an umpire stand there and watch when one of ours goes down, and does nothing about it? Think all those umpires need to go back to junior level.
Gosh that was depressing to watch, the first half. Simmo -dunno - is that it for him? He and Murph have played a month of crap games.
Thought Mackay was great for first game, that was the only thing to like - I guess Charlie, Fisher and Samo showed a bit too. Otherwise, blah.
What was pleasing about that?
I think there are 2 players on our list that average more goals a game than Jack who averages (0.96 goals a game)
1. Levi Casboult (1.08 goals a game)
2. Matthew Wright (1.18 goals a game)
Jack is about as pure of a forward as we have on our list. Let him learn his craft there. He kicked 3 goals only 2 weeks ago.
I think I've found a little positive.
According to those figures we have a new leader.
Big H has an average of 1.2 ^-^
Fwiw I thought young Jack managed the adjustment in position well. That's got me thinking... Jonesy went forward for a bit, and Simo floated forward too. Is this part of the hawks flexibility philosophy creeping in? I know we've got an injury toll, but maybe this allows opportunity to throw the boys around a little. Particularly while the stakes are low (pride aside).
Last year we ran Sydney and Hawthorn to really close games then the next week we played Brisbane and got blown away in the first half. this year again we built up to really having a go at top sides, done well against them then played Brisbane and again got blown away in the first half. seemingly we are building ourselves up to play good sides then playing Brisbane is a letdown mentally. Seems that way as both years we we got blown away then woke up in the 3rd qtr. Have to be mentally better than that.
After the disaster against Brisbane last year we did come out and win the next week though. Hope things repeat, although we are playing Geelong this time, not Melbourne ( did beat them last year though).
Can't see us winning anything without Cripps.....and a far better collective attitude.
Disappointing in the lack of backbone shown by our leaders. Did anyone try to take out Rockcliff? Did anyone put Zorko into the dirt? Mathieson has a head that is just asking to be ripped off, if he wants to duck then get him in a headlock and plow his head into the ground. Soft Soft Soft, how do you play Carlton, you pick on their leaders and no one will stand up.
It took Samo to stand up to Zorko and when Samo didn't flinch when the knob jockey came at him we started to walk that bit taller. We missed White, Alex Silvagni and Ed Curnow who wouldn't stand for that bullsh1t.
Why is Jack down back? We don't have enough good players forward who are smart to throw him back for education sake.
I hope what the jungle drums are saying about Casboult are right 4 years at 700K from Richmond which should net us a 2nd round compensation pick.
Why give a 50 against our player running around the back but laugh at our players when a Brisbane guy did the same thing. The umpiring was atrocious all game long, allowing Rockcliff to turn his back on the bounce and grab Gibbs at every ball up, do that to Dangerfield and there would be an outrage, saying how such a tactic is ruining the ball winners, yet Rockcliff is being lauded for sacrificing his game while giving away multiple unpaid frees. All you need is a drive by with an elbow to his ribs to free Gibbs up, Kerridge I'm looking at you.
If Zorko doesn't get reported for the punch on Plowman then pack up and give the game away. It shows the umpire looking directly at the punch and he didn't pay the free, Plowman wasn't acting, he couldn't breathe and his eyes were watering minutes after the punch.
Cunningham is going to be a player he's tough around the contest and hands are getting much better, if anyone thinks he's not doing well have a good look at yourself.
Harry showed that a key forward is only as good as his supply, how could the kid expect to do well in the VFL when hes getting zero quality ball. I hope he's played for the rest of the year, he definitely showed enough before running out of puff. He looks like a true CHF as he hits the wings and works his way back.
Samo, pure class and showed the "senior" players how to stand up to a sniper. This is a man who rode bulls, as if a little piss ant like Zorko would intimidate him.
Fisher, great pressure but he needs to do more with the ball.
Charlie, he gets it now. A gun in the making.
Weitering, put him at CHB and develop him with the back line. I'm afraid we killed his second season playing him forward and chipping the ball around so he was starved of opportunity.
I thought that going after a Kelly would be the right thing to do this year but looking that I don't know. We need more grunt around the ball, cause without Cripps we're soft. However Kellys pace would be nice too.
A very poor effort in the first half which was the most disapointed I've been all year. I just pray that we practise forward craft this off season cause we have no real way of getting the ball in apart from the long bomb and when a team like Brisbane who has some good bigs down there tears us a new one we need a better thought out way forward.
Agree on Fisher.
Cunningham looks like he's going to be a top line player.
Harry was awesome. I was genuinely wondering how he could have been left out of the team this long. Seems beyond ridiculous.
We have psychological problems when we get the ball in the forward half. Butchered numerous simple chances when we had a clear break or a clear option up ahead that we wouldn't have missed anywhere else on the field. Skill level drops 80% once we have the ball forward of centre.
Think of a few weeks back and ask yourself at that time - How would we travel against any other team if we had NO CONTRIBUTION from Cripps and Gibbs for the first half of a game and virtually nothing for the second half? The obvious answer was what occurred today. We eventually showed some effort and there were even some highlights ....... but ...... >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
When jockstrap Zorko dropped Samo, big Zac came flying to his aid. The determination to right wrongs was written all over his face... >:(
Reflects poorly on our leaders, but also funny in a cute way. Zac will be our bravest player going. Watch out when he puts on another 800 grams or so ;). I'm loving watching him, Samo, Charlie n co develop.
There were some great passages between the youngsters today. Williamson, SOJ, Cunningham, and big H were involved too. Good signs. For tomorrow, not today.
When jockstrap Zorko dropped Samo, big Zac came flying to his aid. The determination to right wrongs was written all over his face... >:(
Reflects poorly on our leaders, but also funny in a cute way. Zac will be our bravest player going. Watch out when he puts on another 800 grams or so ;). I'm loving watching him, Samo, Charlie n co develop.
There were some great passages between the youngsters today. Williamson, SOJ, Cunningham, and big H were involved too. Good signs. For tomorrow, not today.
Nice post love navy and sums up our lot. I worry for bolts after performance s like today, we are all impatient and being played off the park int eh first half is not a good look at all. They looked to have the best players all over in the first half and we had no answers. They were left to run thru the middle unchecked.
Extremely disappointed.
I'm done with gibbs and Murphy. Fluffy. Enjoy watching Simon in his last year folks
Pains me when it's not the kids that are the problem. Until recently I was pleased with the greatly improved and more consistent on field effort.... But today the club's so-called leaders like Gibbs and Thomas...FMD...that was unacceptable.
The overall softness was galling. I'm over our blokes letting themselves get owned physically by muppets week in week out.
Yeah. Not like the subsequent suspensions benefit us any. Just the next team or two. Luckily, or should I say hopefully, Samo and the Plow come up after their mauling. And catch this, he probably got the 3 votes >:D
Nice post love navy and sums up our lot. I worry for bolts after performance s like today, we are all impatient and being played off the park int eh first half is not a good look at all. They looked to have the best players all over in the first half and we had no answers. They were left to run thru the middle unchecked.
Extremely disappointed.
I'm done with gibbs and Murphy. Fluffy. Enjoy watching Simon in his last year folks
Simpson has looked cooked for a few weeks. I was convinced we needed to retain Gibbs and Murphy. Young players need experience around them. But we are 16th and just got flogged by 18th. If we get a bump in the draft or get a good trade over the line then it may well be worthwhile having both on the table. Neither offer sufficient leadership. A quarter of today's game is understandable, but for over a half of football we were witches hats. The inability of senior players to sufficiently marshal the team shows just how weak we are.
What a bleak w/e for the CFC... seniors and seconds both shamed by the respective bottom sides... :-[
Just finished watching recorded game, that was a joke surely, they were taking the pi55 in the first half, seriously disappointed with that lack of effort, we are still miles off...oh and if I get a chance, I'd luv to belt Rhys Mathieson, he is a germ of the highest order, and the men in green continue to reward him for his parasitic diving...not someone I'd like in my team????????
Mathison is feckin cheat pure and simple. Umps are brain dead if they can't see it.
Brisbane's form is much better than ours as is their game plan. Our game plan requires a huge amount of work and concentration, which is normally lacking for one quarter. Today it was two, and at the start of the game. There is a huge amount of wasted energy in chasing players like we had to in the first half. It was ridiculously easy for BL.
It seems that a couple of teams are working out easy ways to play against us.
Not helping our cause is Cripps, Ed, A Silvagni/Rowe (not sure how it works with Rookies), Marchbank missing - they add skill and a bit more mongrel to the side (maybe White as well)
Supporters need to understand that after 200+ games that both Murphy and Gibbs are not going to go in and extract the ball consistently.
I turned off at half time, but saw we got back within 2 goals. In the end we had the same number of scores.
We had a few with 150 games experience, a heap with under 30 and the in between ones we know aren't great. Not going to win many games with that mix, either.
There is plenty to like with the young kids, so while it isn't great watching them at the moment, I don't really care about the result.
@ dodge
Good points.
I think Bolt's said we had 9 players, 20 and under in his pre-match interview.
Just the same, both sides have a young list and inexperienced coaches. We were beaten in both departments. The difference.... The leaders. No more, no less.
What was pleasing about that?
I think there are 2 players on our list that average more goals a game than Jack who averages (0.96 goals a game)
1. Levi Casboult (1.08 goals a game)
2. Matthew Wright (1.18 goals a game)
Jack is about as pure of a forward as we have on our list. Let him learn his craft there. He kicked 3 goals only 2 weeks ago.
You're entitled to your opinion, however wrong it may be.
Jack's football education was really ramped up today and that's what's going to make the difference to his career. Bolton's decision (and presumably that of the rest of the MC) to play Jack in defence gave me more confidence that we're on the right track. Yes, winning games is important but setting the team up to win more games in 2018 and 2019 is more important than beating another developing side this season.
We were very poor today. Bolton's coaching has to come under the microscope. We left the corridor open, they flogged us through it. No tag on Zorko. Playing JSOS down back? Are we tanking? I don't get it.
Educating (Experimenting) rather than worrying about results?
The upside is a solid draft pick and a bit of experience for the youngsters.
The downside is a rather dismal end to the season for supporters, apart from minor glimpses of 'green shoots.'
Hopefully they get it right.
It's high risk stuff with a number of variables and no guarantees.
Educating (Experimenting) rather than worrying about results?
The upside is a solid draft pick and a bit of experience for the youngsters.
The downside is a rather dismal end to the season for supporters, apart from minor glimpses of 'green shoots.'
Hopefully they get it right.
It's high risk stuff with a number of variables and no guarantees.
That's true, but I don't think we weren't worrying about the result. However, winning the game may not have been the ultimate prize if it meant playing Harry for another quarter or playing some of our ageing, struggling blokes at the expense of our young blokes.
It is a high risk approach but, if it comes off, it will have high rewards.
In 2014 when the knives started to come out for Mick in his second year we had 7 1/2 wins and 5 losses under 2 goals. This year is looking very similar to that and we're starting to see a drop off in form of the senior players who might be starting to lose faith in the game plan which is pretty much identical to the one we played back then.
This year is looking very similar to that and we're starting to see a drop off in form of the senior players who might be starting to lose faith in the game plan which is pretty much identical to the one we played back then.
Not sure Murph or Krooz looked like that, Gibbs was tagged out of it and Simmo had a shocker....and we played a s&$tload of kids.
The Captain had 17 odd kicks, I reckon the longest went 19m.
The Captain had 17 odd kicks, I reckon the longest went 19m.
Agree. Stats can be misleading. Murphy just cant impact the contest like he used to.
When the game was slipping away from mid first quarter and thru to half time Murphy gave nothing. Gibbs, Simmo and Thomas were even worse during the same period. And that was the game right there.
Our leaders except Kruezer were woeful yesterday.
Agree. Stats can be misleading. Murphy just cant impact the contest like he used to.
When the game was slipping away from mid first quarter and thru to half time Murphy gave nothing. Gibbs, Simmo and Thomas were even worse during the same period. And that was the game right there.
Our leaders except Kruezer were woeful yesterday.
Why tho? Didn't think Doch was great either.
What's going on with Murphy? He's had a month of stink...
Murphy is only going to get worse with the sleepless nights in the next couple of years. Trade him and Gibbs now and get something for them.
Murphy is only going to get worse with the sleepless nights in the next couple of years. Trade him and Gibbs now and get something for them.
He looks so unsure when he gets it - maybe it's just having a team of new faces, they haven't learnt each other's styles yet?
Why tho? Didn't think Doch was great either.
What's going on with Murphy? He's had a month of stink...
Hasn't been the same since that infamous Saints game..... now he's having baby, focus elsewhere?
Looking at Daisy, I'd prefer to chop him. Could an established mid/HFF in a State League offer any less?
Simmo too, on yesterday's effort must be questionable (given Willo, Macreadie, Byrne etc etc) - some really bad disposal, but not alone there....one pass Jed Lamb attempted was sub u/9 standard (as it failed).
In 2014 when the knives started to come out for Mick in his second year we had 7 1/2 wins and 5 losses under 2 goals. This year is looking very similar to that and we're starting to see a drop off in form of the senior players who might be starting to lose faith in the game plan which is pretty much identical to the one we played back then.
Not even remotely.similar. We were playing.a team of mid 20 plus year olds and 'headed for a flag". This team is building bottom up.
In 2014 when the knives started to come out for Mick in his second year we had 7 1/2 wins and 5 losses under 2 goals. This year is looking very similar to that and we're starting to see a drop off in form of the senior players who might be starting to lose faith in the game plan which is pretty much identical to the one we played back then.
What's Mick got to do with anything ? Or Ratts for that matter ?
Some people's obsession with past coaches. Honestly and truly.......
Murphy is only going to get worse with the sleepless nights in the next couple of years. Trade him and Gibbs now and get something for them.
Whilst I agree, in theory, about trading the Smurf, unlikely he'd want to go or that anyone would really want him....he hasn't been anywhere near his best for many a year.
If he stays, the Captaincy baton should be passed....perhaps that'll help him play closer to his potential?
Whilst I agree, in theory, about trading the Smurf, unlikely he'd want to go or that anyone would really want him....he hasn't been anywhere near his best for many a year.
If he stays, the Captaincy baton should be passed....perhaps that'll help him play closer to his potential?
Neither Murph nor Gibbs have made a completely convincing transition to inside mids / heavy lifters IMO. They were both recruited under Pagan as creative play makers, and both played their best footy with Judd, Robbo and Brock doing the donkey work. No doubt Gibbs has fared better in this respect than Murph, and has won a B+F since then, but I just don't think when the chips are down, they are the types who can get things back on our terms.
IMO, another example of our club playing blokes in ill suited positions. Flexibility and adaptability do have their limits.
Agree with the comments on Murphy and Gibbs, but Thomas has played well and is obviously popular with the boys. After one poor game you want to chop him. Everyone plays bad in a losing side that is why you lose.
Murphy stays but lose Captaincy to Cripps.
Gibbs traded. Too many times for too long he picks and chooses which games he is going to play well.
Thomas stays as he is a good roll model.
Agree with the comments on Murphy and Gibbs, but Thomas has played well and is obviously popular with the boys. After one poor game you want to chop him. Everyone plays bad in a losing side that is why you lose.
Murphy stays but lose Captaincy to Cripps.
Gibbs traded. Too many times for too long he picks and chooses which games he is going to play well.
Thomas stays as he is a good roll model.
Thomas has played maybe 6 decent games all season, the rest of the time MIA ie a witches' hat.
Popularity? So what...
I've been reasonably happy with Daisy this year and happy that he got rid of the contract stuff etc but he was incredibly woeful yesterday. Because he has no excuse like Gibbs potentially has of being tagged out of the game or Murph having some groin issue
What's Mick got to do with anything ? Or Ratts for that matter ?
Some people's obsession with past coaches. Honestly and truly.......
I pointed out this season being similar to 2014. You mentioned Ratten.
In 2014 when the knives started to come out for Mick in his second year we had 7 1/2 wins and 5 losses under 2 goals. This year is looking very similar to that and we're starting to see a drop off in form of the senior players who might be starting to lose faith in the game plan which is pretty much identical to the one we played back then.
Give it up ::)
I pointed out this season being similar to 2014. You mentioned Ratten.
Dude, I'm kidding.
x14
Have you learned what a pressure act is yet?
Give it up ::)
Hilarious.
MBB still wanting Mick back.
I realise the usual suspects will be jumping off Bolton but tell me, who played on Zorko in the second half?
.oh and if I get a chance, I'd luv to belt Rhys Mathieson, he is a germ of the highest order, and the men in green continue to reward him for his parasitic diving...not someone I'd like in my team????????
AMEN! Cocky little crap - I hope when he was mouthing off and chesting blokes, our guys pointed out that he can't actually get a kick unless he maggots hand it to him.... The first one (I think Cunningham?.) actually tackled him under the armpits, and he STILL managed to duck into it??
mbb, you do make a point and an interesting comparison. However, the situations are a tad different.
[1] Expectations are lower. Mick was expected to keep us in the finals and make us an instant contender. Bolton started at rock bottom and had to completely rebuild.
[2] Mick's list was quite a mature one, no matter how poorly it actually performed. Bolton's is wall to wall kids.
[3] There has a clear improvement in most of the players on our list under Bolton. Under Malthouse we went backwards; just about every player performed poorly. The exceptions were few and obvious.
Very different circumstances.
Just watched 2nd half. What if Harry had been given the free in the goal square (if it had been BL, they would have got it). I reckon our momentum would have got us home.
Interesting that the commentary actually implied that we were stiff on a few fees either not paid or to BL.
Also curiously, Dwayne said the Centre bounce is gone next year - did I miss that news, or is he anticipating?
Also curiously, Dwayne said the Centre bounce is gone next year - did I miss that news, or is he anticipating?
The media are hearing it is gone so the AFL can introduce more umpires, specifically more female umpires.
FWIW, I think the AFL should also allow the boundary umpires to walk in 5m to allow more female boundary umpires.
The media are hearing it is gone so the AFL can introduce more umpires, specifically more female umpires.
FWIW, I think the AFL should also allow the boundary umpires to walk in 5m to allow more female boundary umpires.
Why do we need female umpires?
Just train them up so females umpire the female comp and men umpire the mens comp. Utter political cr*p!
Why do we need female umpires?
Just train them up so females umpire the female comp and men umpire the mens comp. Utter political cr*p!
There is a massive problem, there are no longer enough umpires at lower levels, too much abuse and not enough reward!
The AFL is determined to find a way to rectify the problem, the first part is to open the doors for half of the population. The next part will be big pay rises across the board, local clubs will suffer considerably, they won't have as much money to pay players because they'll be paying umpires!
I'd like to see cheap communications headsets become standard for all levels of senior umpiring. That would allow competitions to pair younger umpires with senior umpires. The technology is already there, and we should be making use of it.
Only became a problem when they introduced too many umpires. ::)
Just watched 2nd half. What if Harry had been given the free in the goal square (if it had been BL, they would have got it). I reckon our momentum would have got us home.
Interesting that the commentary actually implied that we were stiff on a few fees either not paid or to BL.
Also curiously, Dwayne said the Centre bounce is gone next year - did I miss that news, or is he anticipating?
A couple of comments have mentioned about the umpiring. How bad was it?
A couple of comments have mentioned about the umpiring. How bad was it?
Just appalling in the second half.
A couple of comments have mentioned about the umpiring. How bad was it?
It was bad - but we played worse.
That doesn't help. However, when we are strong, we can cope with poor umpiring. Just at the moment, we struggle with it.
Umpiring was poor. But it has struggled all year. Its not, in my view, the umpires who for the most part are excellent. It is a very hard game to umpire.
The umpires are facing some challenges namely:
-Too many on the field. The move toward four field umpires will make matters worse as they get hesitant and look to defer decisions.
- frequent rule changes leading to confusion for all. The nominated ruckman example is the most recent.
-a clear directive that infringements not be penalised if the ball spills clear and play on is possible. We see frequent holding the ball, push in the back go unpunished and play on called.
-the use of microphones for TV. It removes some discretion from umpires and I don't think it is helpful. The public does not need to hear this and it puts pressure on.
-the practice of coaching and involvement in melees. Rather than telling players not to do this and that, just report them or award a free kick.
-the outrageous inconsistency where some venues do not have cameras for goal umpire decisions.
Good post Vivian. I agree with all of that. It is also hard to 'take the patch off' when you're watching your own team. There is much more objectivity when watching a neutral game.
Anything off the ball should be penalised, if a player sits an opponent on his backside metres away from play or during a break an immediate free kick should be paid on the spot, this he-man nonsense is a blight on the game.
And while I'm at it, what's with allowing players to shepherd the man standing the mark?
If it's not against the rules it should be.
A very clear indication the umpiring was substandard- Zorko got a one week ban for hitting Plowman - absolutely in front and one metre from an umpire that was watching and didn't even award a free kick ffs!!
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/zorko-and-greene-cop-suspensions?station=melbourne
Derm thinks highly of Charlie.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/07/24/young-blue-two-years-away-from-being-the-best-brereton/
Derm thinks highly of Charlie.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/07/24/young-blue-two-years-away-from-being-the-best-brereton/
And rightly so. He is so far ahead of our other young players. He is one of those rare players who will be able to take a game by the scruff and turn it in our favour. Let's hope he has a terrific career in Navy.
Anything off the ball should be penalised, if a player sits an opponent on his backside metres away from play or during a break an immediate free kick should be paid on the spot, this he-man nonsense is a blight on the game.
And while I'm at it, what's with allowing players to shepherd the man standing the mark?
If it's not against the rules it should be.
Agree with all that.
Derm thinks highly of Charlie.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/07/24/young-blue-two-years-away-from-being-the-best-brereton/
Derm gets paid to shoot his mouth off, Carlton people would be well advised to ignore him.
A very clear indication the umpiring was substandard- Zorko got a one week ban for hitting Plowman - absolutely in front and one metre from an umpire that was watching and didn't even award a free kick ffs!!
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/zorko-and-greene-cop-suspensions?station=melbourne
I couldn't believe that the umpire let that one go. The only possible excuse is that the umpire thought that Plowman was faking it. Perhaps all of the umpires should be punched in the guts so that they know what effect it has.
Derm gets paid to shoot his mouth off, Carlton people would be well advised to ignore him.
He's got a good record with such predictions.
Anything off the ball should be penalised, if a player sits an opponent on his backside metres away from play or during a break an immediate free kick should be paid on the spot, this he-man nonsense is a blight on the game.
And while I'm at it, what's with allowing players to shepherd the man standing the mark?
If it's not against the rules it should be.
X2
He's got a good record with such predictions.
Aaron James is the next Wayne Carey
I think I've found a little positive.
According to those figures we have a new leader.
Big H has an average of 1.2 ^-^
Fwiw I thought young Jack managed the adjustment in position well. That's got me thinking... Jonesy went forward for a bit, and Simo floated forward too. Is this part of the hawks flexibility philosophy creeping in? I know we've got an injury toll, but maybe this allows opportunity to throw the boys around a little. Particularly while the stakes are low (pride aside).
The number after the '.' is not behinds, its a decimal point.
1 goal from 1 game is an average of 1 goal a game. ;)
1.2 goals a game would mean he'd kick 6 goals over a 5 game period.
Still....he is 3rd on our list. ;)
Aaron James is the next Wayne Carey
He had the likes of Judd and Pendlebury pegged very early.
Like really, a Carlton player gets a bit of recognition and all supporters can do is shoot the messenger. People must live in a total world of negativity. Not directed at you but generally amongst many supporters.
The number after the '.' is not behinds, its a decimal point.
1 goal from 1 game is an average of 1 goal a game. ;)
1.2 goals a game would mean he'd kick 6 goals over a 5 game period.
Still....he is 3rd on our list. ;)
He'd kick 6.10..lol.
You're entitled to your opinion, however wrong it may be.
Jack's football education was really ramped up today and that's what's going to make the difference to his career. Bolton's decision (and presumably that of the rest of the MC) to play Jack in defence gave me more confidence that we're on the right track. Yes, winning games is important but setting the team up to win more games in 2018 and 2019 is more important than beating another developing side this season.
How many times has casboult been played in defense? Perhaps thats why he is just an average player (at best)?
I thought Fev was a slow learner, but the 1 quarter he played in defense on fraser gehrig where he had 4 (5?) kicked on him turned him into a genius forward!
I understand that it CAN be beneficial, but Jack is about the smartest, most pure footballer we've got on our list.
With all the switching and swapping of players we have going on i can't help but think "Jack of all trades, master of none". Especially in regards to Weitering. He's gone backwards in defense since his forward education. :(
Hilarious.
MBB still wanting Mick back.
I realise the usual suspects will be jumping off Bolton but tell me, who played on Zorko in the second half?
Was it Tommy Williamson? Certainly curtailed his influence, which sadly had already had a huge effect.
We should Defo sack Bolton.... Wonder what Roos is doing, Lethal maybe? Perhaps give Terry another go.
Aaron James is the next Wayne Carey
Simon Beaumont all Australian.
He had the likes of Judd and Pendlebury pegged very early.
Like really, a Carlton player gets a bit of recognition and all supporters can do is shoot the messenger. People must live in a total world of negativity. Not directed at you but generally amongst many supporters.
If it was anyone else but Dermie, Leigh Matthews for example, some supporters might have taken it seriously.
Curnow is a genuine talent and Carlton supporters are well aware of the fact.
If it was anyone else but Dermie, Leigh Matthews for example, some supporters might have taken it seriously.
Curnow is a genuine talent and Carlton supporters are well aware of the fact.
There are times when Dermie's football knowledge astounds me ... and this was one of them :)
I've probably harped on about this but I had a chat to Ed about Charlie after the Essendon NAB game in 2016 and Ed reckoned that Charlie was an elite mark and would be an absolute star. Brotherly bias to one side, I think Ed, and Dermie, are on the money.
There are times when Dermie's football knowledge astounds me ... and this was one of them :)
I've probably harped on about this but I had a chat to Ed about Charlie after the Essendon NAB game in 2016 and Ed reckoned that Charlie was an elite mark and would be an absolute star. Brotherly bias to one side, I think Ed, and Dermie, are on the money.
He could well become a star and I hope that he does, but as things stand with the CFC the last thing we should be doing is hyping up our players in my opinion.
We lost to the bottom side yesterday and never looked like winning.
He could well become a star and I hope that he does, but as things stand with the CFC the last thing we should be doing is hyping up our players in my opinion.
We lost to the bottom side yesterday and never looked like winning.
I actually thought we were going to run over the top of them but I take your point.
It's not really hyping players up, it's more about recognising genuine talent and looking forward to a brighter future.
I actually thought we were going to run over the top of them but I take your point.
It's not really hyping players up, it's more about recognising genuine talent and looking forward to a brighter future.
The game was over at quarter time.
As for looking forward I feel like I've been doing that for decades although it's only been a bit over 15 years, so many promises, false dawns and next big things.
I'm happy that we've finally bitten the bullet and are prepared to do the hard slog, and I'm prepared to wait, but meanwhile I'm keeping my powder dry.
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I couldn't believe that the umpire let that one go. The only possible excuse is that the umpire thought that Plowman was faking it. Perhaps all of the umpires should be punched in the guts so that they know what effect it has.
Flosser also slapped the ball out of Lachies hands after he marked it too... 50m was in order I thought. Alas, as I recall, Lachie just fetched the ball and took his kick into a wall of set up lions :-\
Look at the vision of Lachie after that hit. Poor bugger was clearly not pretending.
Flosser also slapped the ball out of Lachies hands after he marked it too... 50m was in order I thought. Alas, as I recall, Lachie just fetched the ball and took his kick into a wall of set up lions :-\
Look at the vision of Lachie after that hit. Poor bugger was clearly not pretending.
So how does the umpire not do something on the spot? How does he determine Play was faking yet the MRP determine he wasn't? Could he not have just kept faking?
Bad day up there for those umps, obvs MRP agreed
I don't get AFL coaches, Dangerfield an injured star has to anchor himself within 25m of goal, dominates and very next game they have him running all over the field half fit! Perplexing!
Our coaches are just the same, just as bad!
Megalomaniacs with a plan, how about just playing the good footballers where they can play good football!
It was bad - but we played worse.
It was terrible. Many times I rose to my feet to question a lack of a decision in Carlton's favour and I only recall two occasions where Lions supporters did the same. Yet they rose to their feet for every goal they scored. The lack of AFL news up here is staggering. We certainly haven't won the hearts and minds of the locals. The Gary Pert decision made the seventh back page of today's paper and that included the Toby Greene suspension. I am guessing that it was front or back page in Victoria - just because of the Collingwood prejudice. There is no other AFL news. I have had to resort to the internet for anything else pertaining to AFL. >:D >:D >:D >:D
It was terrible. Many times I rose to my feet to question a lack of a decision in Carlton's favour and I only recall two occasions where Lions supporters did the same. Yet they rose to their feet for every goal they scored. The lack of AFL news up here is staggering. We certainly haven't won the hearts and minds of the locals. The Gary Pert decision made the seventh back page of today's paper and that included the Toby Greene suspension. I am guessing that it was front or back page in Victoria - just because of the Collingwood prejudice. There is no other AFL news. I have had to resort to the internet for anything else pertaining to AFL. >:D >:D >:D >:D
Just off topic for a bit...I'm finding exactly the opposite here in Wollongong.
This is about as Rugby League territory as it gets...the sports section is about 6-8 pages but this year the AFL coverage in the local Mercury has usually run to a double page spread with a news story from about five or six clubs each day.
To all those Gibbs and Murphy critics out there complaining about their last game.
The reality and reason is dead simple, list depth or the lack of it.
Cripps and Curnow are two of only a handful of viable mids we have and they are gone, that means it's now way too easy for opposition clubs to sit on our better players. The lack of depth creates this situation, not the ability of the players!
We had a very similar situation when Murphy went out last season. Despite continuing to rack up stats Gibbs and Cripps looked ineffective, slow and wasteful later in the season. Now with Cripps and Curnow out, Murphy and Gibbs look much the same.
When they are all available and in, we look 500% better!
It's a similar situation we've had all season with Kreuzer pretty much rucking solo, he gains control so the opposition put on the brakes and then take over when Casboult rucks. It means Kreuzer gets a power of possession without delivering much influence!
Maybe.
However most of Murphys possessions when he was clear, were ineffectual.
Maybe.
However most of Murphys possessions when he was clear, were ineffectual.
That is a confusion of cause and effect, if Cripps and Curnow were playing Murphy and Gibbs become effective at making space and becoming viable targets which then frees up others. The lack of depth has a ripple effect right across the field, it's easier to sit on a limited available number of stars, therefore it's easier to cover their potential targets even if they win the ball.
That is a confusion of cause and effect, if Cripps and Curnow were playing Murphy and Gibbs become effective at making space and becoming viable targets which then frees up others. The lack of depth has a ripple effect right across the field, it's easier to sit on a limited available number of stars, therefore it's easier to cover their potential targets even if they win the ball.
The lack of depth is the killer at the moment. Time and good recruiting will fix this, but that doesn't mean we are likely to enjoy things in the mean time.
The lack of depth is the killer at the moment. Time and good recruiting will fix this, but that doesn't mean we are likely to enjoy things in the mean time.
Crash, it's my biggest concern about the crippling Kelly deal proposals. GWS know good and well that to lose Kelly they must make his destination club pay a heavy price or else GWS go backwards!
To get Kelly it seems many conclude we need to offload someone like Gibbs or Murphy, maybe even Cripps(Lord help us!)! In that circumstance Kelly would be an "Instead Of...." player rather than an "In Addition To...." player.
I think we need "In Addition To...." players far, far more than we need "Instead Of...." players.
To get Kelly it seems many conclude we need to offload someone like Gibbs or Murphy, maybe even Cripps(Lord help us!)! In that circumstance Kelly would be an "Instead Of...." player rather than an "In Addition To...." player.
I think we need "In Addition To...." players far, far more than we need "Instead Of...." players.
Agreed - there is a lot of banging on about trading Gibbs and getting Kelly in.......... IMO that wont make us any better... Keeping what we've got and adding to it is what we need.
Agreed - there is a lot of banging on about trading Gibbs and getting Kelly in.......... IMO that wont make us any better... Keeping what we've got and adding to it is what we need.
Further it defeats the purpose of getting Kelly if we make GWS much stronger in the process. If things go to plan for the AFL it seems GWS are going to be every other AFL clubs benchmark opponent over the next decade. Why bother building a list just to come 2nd?
Further it defeats the purpose of getting Kelly if we make GWS much stronger in the process. If things go to plan for the AFL it seems GWS are going to be every other AFL clubs benchmark opponent over the next decade. Why bother building a list just to come 2nd?
The point is (presumably) Gibbs wants to go ad we hold the cards NOW.
The point is (presumably) Gibbs wants to go ad we hold the cards NOW.
My argument is that if Gibbs goes, and we get value for him, we should be able to turn that into at least two or maybe even three decent depth players not spend it all on just one messiah!
I'd wait and see if the Crows still want Gibbs.......I also remain unconvinced that Riccuito will give ground and trade anything decent given his stance last season.
Think we need to have some alternate plans to trade in some talent just in case both Gibbs being traded doesnt happen and any Casboult compo pick doesnt give us much...
My argument is that if Gibbs goes, and we get value for him, we should be able to turn that into at least two or maybe even three decent depth players not spend it all on just one messiah!
Absolutely.
Gaz jnr?
Gaz jnr?
I'd take him for a year at the right price. I simply can't see it happening. GC will want too much and Ablett will want too much.
I'd wait and see if the Crows still want Gibbs.......I also remain unconvinced that Riccuito will give ground and trade anything decent given his stance last season.
Think we need to have some alternate plans to trade in some talent just in case both Gibbs being traded doesnt happen and any Casboult compo pick doesnt give us much...
I agree EB1, I think many are way overconfident on the potential Gibbs deal and the Casboult price. Given the fortunes and form of potential suitors, I suspect they are both less valuable in 2018 than they were in 2017.
I would think Casboult suitors would be switching serious attention to Mitch McGovern, who looks capable at either end of the ground and appears every bit as effective in contested marking.
I think Adelaide would now be hell bent of keeping and developing the Crouch brothers, so I am not sure Gibbs is such a good fit anymore! If I had to pick a club that could really benefit from gaining Gibbs, it would be Geelong, but they have nothing to trade!
I agree EB1, I think many are way overconfident on the potential Gibbs deal and the Casboult price. Given the fortunes and form of potential suitors, I suspect they are both less valuable in 2018 than they were in 2017.
I would think Casboult suitors would be switching serious attention to Mitch McGovern, who looks capable at either end of the ground and appears every bit as effective in contested marking.
I think Adelaide would now be hell bent of keeping and developing the Crouch brothers, so I am not sure Gibbs is such a good fit anymore!
Mitch is a lightweight (literally).
A 3rd tall at best, checked his height lately?
Gibbs....Crouch....hmmm.
Mitch is a lightweight (literally).
A 3rd tall at best, checked his height lately?
Gibbs....Crouch....hmmm.
McGovern's marking and contested marking stats are equal of Casboult. So is McGovern an over-achiever, or is Casboult underachieving?
If you think McGovern is a lightweight, why discuss someone like Saunders?
We'd take the Crouch brothers in a heartbeat, as inside mids they would pretty much be equals or upgrades on everybody except Cripps! We need more players like them around Cripps, which is why I'd prefer a couple like them than just one Kelly type.
Also, I worry that Kelly might be another Boyd, a superstar when playing in a side that lets him run free untagged, but a struggler in a team in when he is the prime focus!
Who will be our Tom Mitchell, by any rating Mitchell has turned out to be excellent value! It will be interesting to see how Mitchell goes next year without the likes of Burgoyne and Hodge around him at stoppages! I get the feeling Mitchell is a sheep dog, great under instruction but rubbish if let to run free!
if BG wants to still go ,there is 2 clubs we can deal with por
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if BG wants to still go ,there is 2 clubs we can deal with por
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True, I have always said if SA is his destination who cares about the club!
But in fairness, prior to this season the progression of the Crouch brothers I would have thought PA have a stronger on-ball division than the Crows so I think they should be less interested unless they lose somebody. Now I think the two mid-fields are about 50/50, the Crows are stronger without adding a player and PA is stable.
See
Teams by Clearance (http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/fts_team_rankings?type=TA&year=2017&sby=29&advv=Y).
if BG wants to still go ,there is 2 clubs we can deal with por
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His ex Manager is the Crows list manager, Port dont have the dough either......
McGovern's marking and contested marking stats are equal of Casboult. So is McGovern an over-achiever, or is Casboult underachieving?
If you think McGovern is a lightweight, why discuss someone like Saunders?
We'd take the Crouch brothers in a heartbeat, as inside mids they would pretty much be equals or upgrades on everybody except Cripps! We need more players like them around Cripps, which is why I'd prefer a couple like them than just one Kelly type.
Also, I worry that Kelly might be another Boyd, a superstar when playing in a side that lets him run free untagged, but a struggler in a team in when he is the prime focus!
Who will be our Tom Mitchell, by any rating Mitchell has turned out to be excellent value! It will be interesting to see how Mitchell goes next year without the likes of Burgoyne and Hodge around him at stoppages! I get the feeling Mitchell is a sheep dog, great under instruction but rubbish if let to run free!
All I meant re lightweight is that he doesn't weigh much....
His ex Manager is the Crows list manager, Port dont have the dough either......
This is where the club has to be ruthless. The fact that the list manager of the Crows is his ex manager is irrelevant to us, SFW.
IF he wants to return to Adelaide then we are totally within our rights to negotiate with both clubs. If he wants to return to Adelaide to be with his mate... that's another story and not our issue and he can get fkd. I'm sure that if Port wanted him badly enough they'd find the money.
if BG wants to still go ,there is 2 clubs we can deal with por
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Gibbs for Wines
Gibbs for Wines
12 x Taylors Tateham's Clare Valley Cab Sav's and its a deal.... :)
12 x Taylors Tateham's Clare Valley Cab Sav's and its a deal.... :)
;D ;D ;D
12 x Taylors Tateham's Clare Valley Cab Sav's and its a deal.... :)
Aah!!!
Your best post ever EB. ;) ;) :D :D
Maybe a dozen Paxton's AAA Grenache Shiraz (McLAREN vale)