2 wins, no structure, poorly drilled, poor game plan. That's not injuries. That side we had playing on the weekend alone is alot better than 2 wins, 3 x 100pt defeats, including by a side with 16 men. We are so poorly drilled we couldn't handle and were outnumbered by a side with 16 thstbfound so much space and kicked goals at will. We were smashed by apoor sides by 10 goals. That's coaching! Then there's the lack of effort so often, meaning a lack of respect for the coach. None of the above is injury related. No amount of spin will change that.
It’s not excuses, it’s observation. Sometimes you just have to suck it up no matter how bad it tastes. Sack the coach now and you’ll be torching 1/2 the list and starting again... how long do you want the pain to go on for ?
After 3 years we can see the 2 wins. I exoected something alot better than that. You have a poor coach and you're going nowhere. We're just a total rabble, like back in the Pagan days. We saw how that changed when he left.
Jim, you were one of us who was reasonably satisfied with the first two seasons, then we lost Doc and Gibbs. In spite of that we were competitive in large parts and exciting in our season start before injuries destroyed our structure. We all wanted more wins, but sometimes it just doesn’t happen and frankly I’m disappointed that someone with possibly more coaching credentials than anyone here is so quick to want to send the coach off to the guillotine. He may need more help, if so let’s get it, but let’s learn from the Ratten days.
We are not an AFL freak show, or an AFL outlier. Every single AFL team plays a zone, cluster, web, whatever you want to call it. Conceptually they make sense. These structures can be implemented to varying degrees, different parts of the ground etc. They are all starting positions only. The game has a dynamic component, and players continuously change from one mode to another. Maybe there needs to be an adjustment to the way we implement our zone, but I think by far the biggest problem is that we turn the ball over so often, the players simply can't settle, and have to adjust and readjust far too often, and are therefore out of position too often. That coupled with inexperience, injury etc., is a recipe for disaster and as far as fans are concerned, a recipe for class unrest.
I'm happy with the zone style because the coach is expecting them to learn how to play in a way that will win. One on one is for wet days and the bottom leagues. Watch a division one game in local leagues; they play zone.
Its the turnovers that are killing us. We won the inside 50s, which shows we are winning the ball and getting it forward. We then break down and it comes back and we are struggling to get back to position. Playing one one one is not going to improve us much.
One a few occasions this year our approach has worked and we score. Fast ball movement via accurate kicking is very hard to defend. But it requires great skills and being organised and we are struggling to meet these levels.
The coach has high expectations. Good.
Glad someone else can see it and said it well. If we need a matchday coach let’s get one, but I’m not totally convinced that it’s a game day coaching issue.
Meanwhile he was up and about until he did his shoulder in jlt.
He's talented but his body has let him down this year IMHO.
Reckon he'll be better next season.
He’ll need to be... My dad used to say that you need the guys who are lucky with injuries... for every 1 Shane Watson (cricketer) who eventually overcame his early injuries and forged a respectable career, there’s 2 dozen who don’t.
Too slow taking his kick, umpire called play on and he was tackled from behind, like I said before if that had been Dangerfield, Martin etc he would have been given more time....
I agree with Thry, tackler must have been in the protected area. Tv didn’t replay with sound, but the commentators said the umpire said “Move it on” is that in the rules ? Or do the rules say “play on” ? I’d take “move it on” as a warning...
This one in particular made me think it was a 50 metre penalty. It was play on and he was pinged before he could react = player in the protected area IMHO.
Of course the flip side to all this is the mature players we traded out in order to try improve the number and quality of what we could bring in... Touhy and Gibbs rarely missed games. We are not as bad as some think.
Think we had a go at a few big fish like Kelly, Sheil and then last season tried to get mid sized fish Rockliff,Smith, Saad etc and tried for Caddy the previous years when we traded Touhy..so I think SOS might be bending the truth that we didnt try...the money got big and the real big fish said no.. When you are bottom you are not going to be a destination club unless you are paying big overs and recruiting does get hard.......the job is much harder for SOS than his GWS days and having a inexperienced coach doesn't help either..Sheedy I hate with a passion but he was a good salesman and players like Ward, Davis, Heath Shaw, Mumford were nice gets to help build a team, if we had those types we wouldnt be bottom. Agree you cant sell misery because that wont sell memberships but I think the Carlton supporters are fairly switched on to where we are at and its crossroads in 2019....its what the media sell to the public as a reasonable goal for 2019.....I dont see what the club sell as being as being taken seriously anymore....green shoots, synergies, defined by pressure wont be acceptable in 2019.
I’m sure there are guys who don’t want to come and put in any hard yards, and you know what ? Good luck to them... but I’d be looking for the guys that are prepared to work and strive. Who wants to run around with The two Paddy’s ? Who wants to deliver to Big H or Charlie for the next 10 years ? Come and achieve greatness boys...
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