I want his to be the thread for a party, not a wake.
I want his to be the thread for a party, not a wake.
It is a party! We win! But, by God, we tried to lose it!
Better to be hangin' on than chasin' 😁
Thank @#$#! for that!!!!
Geelong always come hard no matter what position they're in. Hence I was nervous.
Marc Pittonet, come on down! Great effort.
We still need more in the midfield. Cripps was fantastic, but we couldn't get the ball out in the last quarter.
Not enough from quite a few, but there were some good signs!
Thank god for Eddie!!!!!!!
GEELONG 1.2 4.6 6.7 11.11 (77)
CARLTON 5.3 9.5 12.6 12.7 (79)
GOALS
Geelong: Hawkins 2, Rohan 2, Bews, Guthrie, Miers, Selwood, Stanley, Taylor, Atkins
Carlton: Betts 2, Casboult 2, Cripps 2, McGovern 2, Murphy 2, Gibbons, McKay,
INJURIES
Geelong: Dahlhaus (Concussion)
Carlton: TBC
We should have won by at least 5 goals!
Heart in my mouth for the 2nd half 😦
As MM said "1 point is 4 points". I say anything less than 7 points is a heart attack 🥴
We came to play from the first bounce and did just enough to hold off a strong finishing quality side.
Pitto might be our new poster boy. Played a blaster against more experienced ruckman.
Last week we were the better side, bar a couple of fixable errors. Tonight we fixed the q1 nap and now we're singing the song. Don't give up on the Teague train folks. It's building up steam.
Crikey. I need to catch my breath. Also need to wet my whistle.
Can't wait to see post match whinging pudding face 😈
Nail biting finish but a great win, particularly on the Cats' dunghill.
The moment for me was when Walsh had a crack at Guthrie after he was dumped in a crude tackle. Walsh may not be getting as much of the ball as he did last season but adding some aggro to his tool kit is a damn good sign.
Having Eddie showing leadership in the forward line and delving into his bag of tricks is priceless!
No crowd was a deciding point in the finish. A thumping GMHBA stadium for the last 5 minutes could have seen a different story......stiff!!
Maybe there is a God!!
I'd crawled off to my kennel earlier in embarrassment thinking I'd called it (a loss) wrong yesterday and assuming we'd romp it in. How little we know but great to see some fight
No crowd was a deciding point in the finish. A thumping GMHBA stadium for the last 5 minutes could have seen a different story......stiff!!
I said that having to play them at GMHBA could've been a blessing in disguise.
You get some much needed experience at the ground without having to worry about the HUGE crowd advantage that comes with it.
Suffer in your jocks catters.
To all the Eddie knockers.........crickets..........
Elwood picked it!
Rapt we won and played the best 3 quarters I’ve seen us for over a decade in kicking into the F50.
Pittonet palm downs were Harry madden like. He can play. No doubt about it. Early days I know but great replacement for Kruezer. Ruck work is great and is more then handy around the ball. Like what I’ve seen after quarter time last week.
I’m a plowman fan but FMD when the game gets close he just seems to be the one that teams go thru to score. Always makes me the most nervous.
The lack of midfield senior bodies nearly cost us the game. We needed more senior runners thru the corridor as cats were just running past us as we stopped like were shot in the last.
Martin is a nice pickup and Im happy to admit I was wrong about him. He is better then I thought. He’s composed and puts hes head over it when he has too which is a great sign. Has added some real class and pace to our midfield. Hopefully will get better as the year goes on.
Well done boys. Nice win.
Now follow it up next week
I posted this in the pre-match.
Might've been 1 in a million (as per dumb and dumber) but somethimes thats all you need.
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That @#%$! for 16 min qtrs. That was nerve racking.
Getting tired of the umpiring fraternity bending over backwards to accede to the constant pleading of Dangerflog, the bald brat and the turtle. Whenever they're in trouble, they pluck one out of nowhere to appease those Muppets.
Elwood picked it!
Rapt we won and played the best 3 quarters I’ve seen us for over a decade in kicking into the F50.
Pittonet palm downs were Harry madden like. He can play. No doubt about it. Early days I know but great replacement for Kruezer. Ruck work is great and is more then handy around the ball. Like what I’ve seen after quarter time last week.
I’m a plowman fan but FMD when the game gets close he just seems to be the one that teams go thru to score. Always makes me the most nervous.
The lack of midfield senior bodies nearly cost us the game. We needed more senior runners thru the corridor as cats were just running past us as we stopped like were shot in the last.
Martin is a nice pickup and Im happy to admit I was wrong about him. He is better then I thought. He’s composed and puts hes head over it when he has too which is a great sign. Has added some real class and pace to our midfield. Hopefully will get better as the year goes on.
Well done boys. Nice win.
Now follow it up next week
Agree with all of that but one thing. We're not sure about a next week yet given it's Essendon...lol.
Relieved that wasn’t the nightmare it threatened to be
Loved Pittonet, Casboult, Eddie, Martin, Weitering, Cripps, Doc and Gibbons tonight. And well done to Williamson on a solid return.
On the flip side we need a hell of a lot more from McKay, Samo, Setterfield, Silvagni, McGovern ...
Newnes & Plowman make me nervous and the latter’s last quarter was a disaster
we’ve played 3 quarters three weeks in row now and we need to find out why!
Levi will take over from Rocca as McKay's kicking coach..lol.
Relieved that wasn’t the nightmare it threatened to be
Loved Pittonet, Casboult, Eddie, Martin, Weitering, Cripps, Doc and Gibbons tonight. And well done to Williamson on a solid return.
On the flip side we need a hell of a lot more from McKay, Samo, Setterfield, Silvagni, McGovern ...
Newnes & Plowman make me nervous and the latter’s last quarter was a disaster
we’ve played 3 quarters three weeks in row now and we need to find out why!
Last week we bludged the first qtr so had plenty left at the end. This week we hammered the first 3 qtrs and ran ourselves into the ground, so had nothing left. Not to mention a touch of nervousness too. Geelong often finish like trains when in trouble.
Yup I got it very wrong, called it a bad loss, my bad.
Great effort by the boys, yes we were very lucky and Martin and Eddie in crucial moments were just superb today. Hope the positive momentum continues.
Loved the work off Pitto. Great to have a ruckman who palms it off.
Heart in my mouth for the 2nd half 😦
As MM said "1 point is 4 points". I say anything less than 7 points is a heart attack 🥴
We came to play from the first bounce and did just enough to hold off a strong finishing quality side.
Pitto might be our new poster boy. Played a blaster against more experienced ruckman.
Last week we were the better side, bar a couple of fixable errors. Tonight we fixed the q1 nap and now we're singing the song. Don't give up on the Teague train folks. It's building up steam.
Crikey. I need to catch my breath. Also need to wet my whistle.
Can't wait to see post match whinging pudding face 😈
Pittonet runs at the ball at the centre bounce rather than looking at the other guy like Krooze does too often. He’s also the first ‘mean’ ruckman we’ve had since Wow Jones!
I’m a plowman fan but FMD when the game gets close he just seems to be the one that teams go thru to score. Always makes me the most nervous.
Plowman plays nervous and is inclined to panic.
It must have been a difficult week for our boys with the racial attack on Eddie.
How powerful is it to then come out and play with such G & D. On Jack Martin's 100th no less, and led by our leaders Doc, Crippa, and Eddie himself.
It looked like it meant something to them from the first bounce on. There's always going to be room for improvement, but I thought the boys fought it out as a unified force. Best way to silence the naysayers and the racist comments.
So satisfying beating the whinging cats at the private cattery.
A couple of the old boys reminiscing
Did SPS have the job Ablett? If so, he did a great job.
First win down there since 1996, the year after our last premiership. Sure, there was no crowd, but the shape of that ground has given them a huge advantage over a long time. This was a great win - no bones about it.
Other thoughts:
Weiters and Jones are just so solid now - to have that back half spine is gold.
Samo, Setters, Jack - not much from them. I believe it's there, but they're way behind my expectations in terms of consistency.
Eddie - he's a little slower, he may not kick a bag, but my god he's clever and he knows when and where to go more than anyone. The little set-ups, that kick forward, then the tackle - we don't have anyone else who can do that.
Martin - he won't kick 3 or 4 every game, but what a pick up. Versatile, aggressive, classy and a leader.
McGovern - we probably expect too much of him. He can change a game with a couple of marks and couple of kicks. Two goals tonight - one was a ripper. He's dangerous enough to draw attention. Maybe that's enough.
Walsh - a huge year for him. Seems to be finding it a bit harder at the moment, but I sense he'll get through it for the better.
Edit - Daisy - we miss him. He would have been the perfect player to slow the tempo in the last.
Edit - Gibbo - should never be left out of the side again. He wants it more than anyone and it shows.
Glad to sneak that win against one of the most arrogant teams in the comp coached by one of the most pompus coaches.
Geelong had their chances as we stopped to a walk but justice prevailed and it was very satisfying to win.
Pittonet has exceeded expectations and should remain No 1 ruckman even if Kruezer returns, the way he can stand his ground and fend off the opposing rucks while directing the ball has been a real bonus.
Dangerfield only fired in the last quarter and Ablett and the sooky Selwood gave them nothing..
Backline was steady with Weitering in command of Hawkins and Docherty also led the defense well, only player who probably lowered his colours was Plowman who found Rohan too quick and strong in the air but he is a difficult opponent when on and hard to find a matchup for.
I thought it was down forward we got a very even contribution with smalls Eddie, Murphy, Gibbons all in the action at different times and Levi was probably our best tall forward for the 4 quarters as as well as being handy on the ball. Harry did some good things but didnt finish his work and McGovern gave us a nice burst where he kicked a couple of goals, set up another but then went missing for the rest of the match.
Martin and Cuningham were handy and Cripps was the best midfielder on the park, Ed did his job on Selwood...Stevens like I thought was out of touch and more of a liability and it served Scott right for playing him and resting Parfitt.
Like to backup next week and beat Essendon, hopefully they are allowed to play and we wallop them...dont want this Geelong win to be a one off and then we go back to routine and lose a couple. We need to play and continue this kickstart to the season...
From Dylan Buckley's twitter
EB, I left Pitto out of my assessment, only because, with ruckmen, I like to see a body of work over time. Having said that, he's been terrific so far.
From Dylan Buckley's twitter
That's a cracker 🤣
Good to get a win. From a leading position too. Betts contributed like the Betts of old and it is hard to find a player that had a poor game. Away from home is a good win, and I liked what I saw today. Especially Pittonet. Thought he might lack games to have much impact on the game, and after watching him there is enough to like. Great recruiting getting him in the squad.
EB, I left Pitto out of my assessment, only because, with ruckmen, I like to see a body of work over time. Having said that, he's been terrific so far.
Fair point DB, I like a few others are probably excited by having a more strong arm ruckman who can give us some presence and make a few of our blokes walk taller.
He will need to backup each week and keep being consistent but I think the hand over from Kreuzer to Pittonet needs to be permanent and midfield/stoppage plans to be designed around Pittonet's ruck style.
So happy we hung on. Great win, made even sweeter that it'll stick it right up two of the all time great condescending Carlton haters, Ling and Brownless.
Loved the work off Pitto. Great to have a ruckman who palms it off.
Wrapped to win. Reality is though, we had quite a few players down and we were a bit 'lucky'. Lucky, because they were only able to make 57 interchanges to our 87 due to their two injured mids/fwds who took little part in the game. Obviously we came to play and they didn't early, which means we 'deserved' to win, but I'm not getting to carried away. The stats tell a different story. We had 8 players under 10 possessions and that will not get it done on a constant basis. While I'm happy and of course wrapped to take 4 points from them, I hope it doesn't paper over the cracks. We still need to get alot better, but hopefully some belief will grow from this and lead to more achievements in the future. Up the navies!
Yup I got it very wrong, called it a bad loss, my bad.
Great effort by the boys, yes we were very lucky and Martin and Eddie in crucial moments were just superb today. Hope the positive momentum continues.
x2
I simply cannot fault the first three qtrs, no mistakes, run and carry, pin point passes, tackling like men possessed, hardness like I havent seen before, small fwds getting out the back, two way gut running, no passengers, a hamburger with the lot. To a man, they took it right up to the Handbagger Bullyboys on their own dungheap like no has in a very long time. Injuries or not, they simply couldnt stop Carlton no matter what they tried. I posted in the in game that at Half time, Scott absolutely gave it to the Holy Trinity in the sheds, Fatblett looked like he was about to start crying, Scott looked like he was going to have a stroke delivering that spray. I just smiled. Whilst the 4th qtr was disappointing, they had done enough work to keep their noses in front which was pleasing. As for Eddie? Could have had 5 but instead was the the consummate team man, he marshaled that fwd line to perfection. That left foot pass to Murph, who had three defenders bearing down on him, was sublime. I had two Haw mates text me thanking Carlton for beating Geelong, one said "If your mob could put together 4 qtrs like that every week, you would beat everyone". So thats the challenge, those first 3 qtrs were the benchmark.
That @#%$! for 16 min qtrs. That was nerve racking.
The last quarter went for over 25 minutes....
Only 3 players with 0 tackles, Gibbo (surprisingly), Levi and Weiters.
Great win.
For 3 quarters, Geelong followed that famous dictum that 80% of success is showing up. Just treated it as a training drill. Very cocky and arrogant and paid the price. When they stopped farting around, they are still a good football side.
We were in a sense, saved by the bell, and it's bloody nice to have time on our side for a change. Shame we didn't have this in a couple of early games last season.
Our fortunes are still too closely linked to Cripps' performance. When he fires, so do we. He was super last night.
Marco Pittoneto (let's call una vanga una vanga), is a good competitor - against all but the elite rucks, he will give a real contest. Nice body of work so far.
And I guess playing the kids en masse is now well and truly a thing of the past ?
Some of our ball use is still very scrappy. Plenty of room for improvement.
Just watching it now - Hawthorn showed us the way - put pressure, constantly, on your opponents and they are as ordinary as the next team.
Pittonet - never ever going to make it as a #1 ruck. ::) ::)
Terrific team effort. Should give them a lot of heart and belief.
And still a few who can improve a lot in terms of output eg Big H., samo, Setters.
Looking forward to seeing that smug coach from Geelong!
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Looking forward to seeing that smug coach from Geelong!
https://www.afl.com.au/video/455877/scott-we-do-have-a-problem?videoId=455877&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1592659131001
Handled himself quite well IMO, including being questioned about Clarkson's comments.
We played well enough to deserve the win, but heck we were lucky... Short quarter, Gutlett missing his charity kick, Ratugolea's brain fade.. The planets all aligned, for just long enough. We still carry a few passengers, glimpses and cameos don't consistently win you games.
Just watching it now - Hawthorn showed us the way - put pressure, constantly, on your opponents and they are as ordinary as the next team.
Pittonet - never ever going to make it as a #1 ruck. ::) ::)
Terrific team effort. Should give them a lot of heart and belief.
And still a few who can improve a lot in terms of output eg Big H., samo, Setters.
Looking forward to seeing that smug coach from Geelong!
Here you go
https://www.geelongcats.com.au/video/719877/chris-scott-post-match-r3?videoId=719877&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1592661287001
Time in front.
Geelong - 000:00
Carlton - 101:52
We were in a sense, saved by the bell,
And beaten by it last week so I think we’re even! I’d like to know what Guthrie did to Walsh on half time, looked like some ‘face action’, because Walsh came at him at a million mile an hour. It was also great to see that every time there was a ‘confrontation’ Pittonet was front and centre being a presence, without stupidity.
Good signs.
Pittonet was unbelievable, would have been very satisfying considering Stanley smashed Ceglar last week.
Great effort indeed.
Pittonet was very good. ( thanks SOS ). And Eddy is still Eddy.
Generally a good all round effort. If we play like that against Cheats FC we'll romp on.
There was a racehorse in the late 80s/ early 90s that got to 10-15 lengths in front and hung on often enough to be a good horse. Before that was Kiwi who came from last in the Melbourne Cup. I think after last night, I prefer the first - much more enjoyable to watch. Great effort, Blues.
As a side note, Betts and Danger had a bit of a chat after the game - I presume about events earlier in the week. Maybe a plus for Danger?
Just a note on Geelong... really missing Tim Kelly and he has been sub par for West Coast. Kelly missing has really exposed the Cats older mids and Steven is no replacement.
As a side note, Betts and Danger had a bit of a chat after the game - I presume about events earlier in the week. Maybe a plus for Danger?
Whilst I’m not a fan of his staging and overreactions on the field, I don’t share the hate some people seem to have of him. Sometimes I think his biggest sin is that he has a personality.
Time in front.
Geelong - 000:00
Carlton - 101:52
Wasn't about luck, those numbers just prove it....
A massive win by our Club.
Whilst I’m not a fan of his staging and overreactions on the field, I don’t share the hate some people seem to have of him. Sometimes I think his biggest sin is that he has a personality.
Apart from his commentary on the Curnow incidents in 2018, I agree.
And beaten by it last week so I think we’re even! ........................
Depends on far back you look. We were dudded big time in the Hawks and Suns games last year. Nice to see the gods of time helping us on this occasion.
Getting tired of the umpiring fraternity bending over backwards to accede to the constant pleading of Dangerflog, the bald brat and the turtle. Whenever they're in trouble, they pluck one out of nowhere to appease those Muppets.
Indeed. There were some pretty soft frees yesterday, of which we might have had 1 on every 4. In that last quarter the number of throws that were missed begged the imagination. Not to mention push in the backs.
Pittonet runs at the ball at the centre bounce rather than looking at the other guy like Krooze does too often. He’s also the first ‘mean’ ruckman we’ve had since Wow Jones!
Indeed. Marc may not have the leap, but he uses his body well and he doesn't spend his time looking at his opponent. I have been pleased and surprised by him so far.
I admit, his weaknesses are still apparent, but I liked the way he had the rucks playing on his terms instead of the other way around.
We also need another ruck option, as taking Levi out of the forward line was an issue yesterday.
[1] I was really please with our 1st 3 quarters. We wanted the ball and we planned well. Running out of gas in the last quarter was a problem.
[2] When the pressure was on in the last quarter we went away from the short kicks and planning that worked so well early. Bombing the ball down did work, but it is our default. We have to work on that.
[3] Whoever is working on the kicking needs to get into Jack Silvagni's ear. When he came to us, he was an excellent shot at goal who rarely missed. Now he is a 50:50 bet at best. We really need to get him kicking like he did when he first started.
The other thing is that he is still a very good snap at goal, but rarely gets the chance to do that any longer. So, if that is where he is at mentally, then get him going back, taking his time, and the playing on and kicking a snap. He is not the only player going around who does that by preference.
[4] SPS had a very solid defensive game last night, but didn't run off his man at all. We miss that. When he is at his best, his run and excellent disposal sets us up from defence.
[5] H might need some time in the twos. His kicking and decision making were costly yesterday. He also needs to really work with the kicking coach.
[6] Pittonet had a really good game yesterday. But even he was running low on the juice at the end. We need a 2nd option to help him in the ruck. if H is still down on form, I'd bring in de Koning sooner rather than later. he is a very different type of ruckman, who uses his spring to get the ball. That would be very handy. Not to mention that he can take some really big marks.
[7] Our midfield depth is a problem. Cripps was great yesterday, and I was pleased with Martin went into the middle for periods. he was good there. I'd continue doing that. Setters did a negative job quite well for 3 quarters, but he went missing late and he didn't get enough kicks. Murphy was down yesterday, but I'd like to see him spend time on the forward pocket. We need some of our youngsters to stand up and take some pressure off Ed and Cripps.
Whilst I’m not a fan of his staging and overreactions on the field, I don’t share the hate some people seem to have of him. Sometimes I think his biggest sin is that he has a personality.
What about Selwood - their first goal in Q1 after he 'fell' when Willo nudged him.
How can the umps be so dumb?
What about Selwood - their first goal in Q1 after he 'fell' when Willo nudged him.
How can the umps be so dumb?
And the pr1ck was dropping his knees towards the end trying to draw another high tackle free - I can't stand him, many of their player or their coach. Selwood was a great leader no doubt but he isn't what he was and as a team I reckon they will be rebuilding after they fail this year.
His handling of the half time interview pretty much sums him and that team up - not going like he expected so said 3 words then turned walked off like a sook before the interviewer was able to reply.
Stevens looks like he is cooked. Body is not up to AFL standard. Why play him when obviously not fit or ready? They disrespected us that's why!
Kane Cornes gave it to Walker for his lack of preparation and body shape wonder if he has the balls to comment on Stevens as he looked a lot worse shape then Walker. Bet he doesn't say a word.
What about Selwood - their first goal in Q1 after he 'fell' when Willo nudged him.
How can the umps be so dumb?
That was a shocker. I think the Umps were told to be severe on that sort of thing due to the Bulldogs vs Giants thing, but that was incredibly soft. As was the free to their ruckman when he grabbed Simmo and wouldn't let him follow Ablett. Incredible.
And the pr1ck was dropping his knees towards the end trying to draw another high tackle free - I can't stand him, many of their player or their coach. Selwood was a great leader no doubt but he isn't what he was and as a team I reckon they will be rebuilding after they fail this year.
His handling of the half time interview pretty much sums him and that team up - not going like he expected so said 3 words then turned walked off like a sook before the interviewer was able to reply.
Stevens looks like he is cooked. Body is not up to AFL standard. Why play him when obviously not fit or ready? They disrespected us that's why!
Kane Cornes gave it to Walker for his lack of preparation and body shape wonder if he has the balls to comment on Stevens as he looked a lot worse shape then Walker. Bet he doesn't say a word.
When I looked at it on the ground after the game, I thought it was some supporter who had snuck on the ground. Then saw it was Jack Stevens.
The Cats were a very sullen bunch after the final siren. Could hardly be stuffed to shake hands as they shuffled off the ground, sense of entitlement seriously popped. 😁👍
I was pleased that last night's game validated the 2nd half of last year. Last 2 1/2 qtrs last week showed we have it but rightly got left in the dust of pissing 4 points down the drain. Last night will do us good. Teague said the last qtr was all mental as we stopped attacking and went down the line trying to save the game, which is confidence. Hopefully now we'll have that confidence.
[1] I was really please with our 1st 3 quarters. We wanted the ball and we planned well. Running out of gas in the last quarter was a problem.
[2] When the pressure was on in the last quarter we went away from the short kicks and planning that worked so well early. Bombing the ball down did work, but it is our default. We have to work on that.
[3] Whoever is working on the kicking needs to get into Jack Silvagni's ear. When he came to us, he was an excellent shot at goal who rarely missed. Now he is a 50:50 bet at best. We really need to get him kicking like he did when he first started.
The other thing is that he is still a very good snap at goal, but rarely gets the chance to do that any longer. So, if that is where he is at mentally, then get him going back, taking his time, and the playing on and kicking a snap. He is not the only player going around who does that by preference.
[4] SPS had a very solid defensive game last night, but didn't run off his man at all. We miss that. When he is at his best, his run and excellent disposal sets us up from defence.
[5] H might need some time in the twos. His kicking and decision making were costly yesterday. He also needs to really work with the kicking coach.
[6] Pittonet had a really good game yesterday. But even he was running low on the juice at the end. We need a 2nd option to help him in the ruck. if H is still down on form, I'd bring in de Koning sooner rather than later. he is a very different type of ruckman, who uses his spring to get the ball. That would be very handy. Not to mention that he can take some really big marks.
[7] Our midfield depth is a problem. Cripps was great yesterday, and I was pleased with Martin went into the middle for periods. he was good there. I'd continue doing that. Setters did a negative job quite well for 3 quarters, but he went missing late and he didn't get enough kicks. Murphy was down yesterday, but I'd like to see him spend time on the forward pocket. We need some of our youngsters to stand up and take some pressure off Ed and Cripps.
Happy with the win but we dont have enough mids who can get 30 plus possies every week and take the heat of Cripps and its an on going problem. Was a bit surprised the Cats didnt use Guthrie on Cripps and preferred him on Walsh and went with the likes of Dangerfield, Selwood rotating off Cripps.
SPS still isnt giving us enough and we are caught in that 50/50 with Martin that you want to use him directly on the ball more but dont want to lose what he offers in terms of forward work and being the bloke who is running the ball in rather than being a coalface player. Setterfield does his best work when he has a job IMO, just doesnt get enough ball around the ground.
Walsh is getting more attention this season and i reckon it might be time to give Kennedy another go in the middle as well as down forward rotating with Jack who I would also run through the midfield.
Fisher being out and not being in the mix hasnt helped either..I rate him highly and even though he was down last season I think he has the class we need around the coalface.
The last quarter went for over 25 minutes....
Is that another afl error, or red time?
Time in front.
Geelong - 000:00
Carlton - 101:52
That says all thete is to say.
BLUES were the best
Cats were the losers.
SPS still isnt giving us enough .
SPS had a very solid defensive game last night, but didn't run off his man at all.
Was SPS on Ablett? If so, he did a great job.
Interesting to see the tactics, just watched the replay.
Multiple times Docherty and SImmo kicked out to contests involving Dangerfield against either Cripps or one of our KPPs.
That cannot be an accident. I suspect we were deliberately making him defend to drag him into the contest and stop him running freely off on the turnovers. It seemed to work, he had very little influence and was continually stuck in traffic.
The Cats were a very sullen bunch after the final siren. Could hardly be stuffed to shake hands as they shuffled off the ground, sense of entitlement seriously popped. 😁👍
Mind you I’d rather my side looked pi22ed after a loss like that, entitled or not, rather than laughing and high fiving the winners!
Happy with the win but we dont have enough mids who can get 30 plus possies every week and take the heat of Cripps and its an on going problem. Was a bit surprised the Cats didnt use Guthrie on Cripps and preferred him on Walsh and went with the likes of Dangerfield, Selwood rotating off Cripps.
SPS still isnt giving us enough and we are caught in that 50/50 with Martin that you want to use him directly on the ball more but dont want to lose what he offers in terms of forward work and being the bloke who is running the ball in rather than being a coalface player. Setterfield does his best work when he has a job IMO, just doesnt get enough ball around the ground.
Walsh is getting more attention this season and i reckon it might be time to give Kennedy another go in the middle as well as down forward rotating with Jack who I would also run through the midfield.
Fisher being out and not being in the mix hasnt helped either..I rate him highly and even though he was down last season I think he has the class we need around the coalface.
Re Fisher, he has the tools but like many of the players, doesnt do it anywhere near log enough.
I knew getting Eddie back would make a hell of a difference ... but just not by how much.
That pass to Murphy, the holding the ball tackle awarded a free kick are just the hallmarks of impeccable timing. Should have never let him go in the first place. He's simply so good.
SPS still isnt giving us enough .
SPS had a very solid defensive game last night, but didn't run off his man at all.
Was SPS on Ablett? If so, he did a great job.
At one stage in the 3rd or maybe the 4th, I thought he was off injured as I hadn't seen him for an extended period.
Anyone who doubts our game plan, most of our cattle and the recruiting of Edwardo have been quieted. That's not to say we don't still have much to work on. We sure do. Especially concentration and focus and ruthlessness for 4 qtrs.
But... we beat a good side (not great, as they may believe), in good form on their dunghill and their dunghill is a fortress.
Positives: Additions - Edwardo, Jack and Mr Pitts. The influence on our forward line and club in general of Edwardo Betts cannot be underestimated. Players will learn so much from his smarts and composure in the final minutes.
Gibbons. Especially early when there was fair-dinkum heat, he was in-and-under doing the hard things and helped in no small way, set the tone.
Good glimpses from Willo, especially breaking a tackle to lay off a good handball.
Don't underestimate the ability of Mr Pitts to put the wind up opponents. Applies excellent pressure and 2nd efforts. And Jack Martin's smarts and skills have certainly improved our club... significantly.
Loved our pressure and at last, good decisions and execution under pressure. And our ability to change gears when challenged, particularly in the first 3 qtrs.
But... concerns: again with the 3 qtrs!!!! And still not sold on Cuningham, Newnes, SOJ & H (something not quite right with the lad). Not sure what Setters job was but still waiting for him to show what made him a top 5 draft selection.
Don't underestimate the ability of Mr Pitts to put the wind up opponents. Applies excellent pressure and 2nd efforts. And Jack Darling's smarts and skills have certainly improved our club... significantly.
I think that’s a Jack Martin, Baggers??
Only two of our players had 20 possies or more and they were Cripps(24) and Docherty(23).....
SPS if he did the job on Ablett when the SOG was playing forward did well but 9 possies and 1 tackle wasnt great involvement and I'd rather use him up the field where he can get more footy.
Gibbons and Martin had 18 each and the latter's are always good ones but it still points to the fact we are a one band man in the middle and without Cripps firing we would struggle to beat anyone...especially with Walsh getting a tag now each week.
I think Pittonets contribution is even more valuable as his ruckwork denied a lot of 1st use ball to the Cats and he was probably BOG in terms of impact on the game.
Adding some class mids is vital to our progress and future...Wines is an important target.
Anyone who doubts our game plan, most of our cattle and the recruiting of Edwardo have been quieted. That's not to say we don't still have much to work on. We sure do. Especially concentration and focus and ruthlessness for 4 qtrs.
But... we beat a good side (not great, as they may believe), in good form on their dunghill and their dunghill is a fortress.
Positives: Additions - Edwardo, Jack and Mr Pitts. The influence on our forward line and club in general of Edwardo Betts cannot be underestimated. Players will learn so much from his smarts and composure in the final minutes.
Gibbons. Especially early when there was fair-dinkum heat, he was in-and-under doing the hard things and helped in no small way, set the tone.
Good glimpses from Willo, especially breaking a tackle to lay off a good handball.
Don't underestimate the ability of Mr Pitts to put the wind up opponents. Applies excellent pressure and 2nd efforts. And Jack Darling's smarts and skills have certainly improved our club... significantly.
Loved our pressure and at last, good decisions and execution under pressure. And our ability to change gears when challenged, particularly in the first 3 qtrs.
But... concerns: again with the 3 qtrs!!!! And still not sold on Cuningham, Newnes, SOJ & H (something not quite right with the lad). Not sure what Setters job was but still waiting for him to show what made him a top 5 draft selection.
Nice work Baggers. Agree on H and Cunners, Im worried about H in particular as we are pinning so much of our hopes on things. I have no worries about SOS, he works very hard both ways and keeps his opponent on his toes. Newnes even turned me just little last night, he did some work on Stevens who he obviously knows well and who has torn us a new one while at the Saints. Granted he looks about as fit as I do, but Newnes contributed which is all you all you can ask.
I think that’s a Jack Martin, Baggers??
Woops... corrected. Sandshoe. 👍
Only two of our players had 20 possies or more and they were Cripps(24) and Docherty(23).....
Probably just need to be a bit lenient on possessions given the reduced playing time. 24-5 probably equals 30+
Is that another afl error, or red time?
"Quarters have been cut from the traditional 20 minutes plus time on to 16 minutes plus time on this season, in an effort to ensure the AFL can get a full season in during the coronavirus pandemic. This in effect changes the average AFL match length from 120 minutes to 100 minutes."
But then they tell us the average quarter length since the start of round 2 is 27 minutes....
I knew getting Eddie back would make a hell of a difference ... but just not by how much.
That pass to Murphy, the holding the ball tackle awarded a free kick are just the hallmarks of impeccable timing. Should have never let him go in the first place. He's simply so good.
Yes, few of our blokes could execute that on their non preferred. Very few!!
Dahlhouse and menegola going down helped a lot.
I wonder if that would have changed the outcome.
For anyone who didn't notice gibbons had 7 possessions before quarter time and was brilliant early.
They might have put some time into him afterwards. I noticed danger tag cripps a little after he couldnt get a touch early.
"Quarters have been cut from the traditional 20 minutes plus time on to 16 minutes plus time on this season, in an effort to ensure the AFL can get a full season in during the coronavirus pandemic. This in effect changes the average AFL match length from 120 minutes to 100 minutes."
But then they tell us the average quarter length since the start of round 2 is 27 minutes....
A good rule of the thumb is time on is about half again more of the actual playing time, hence 30 min qtrs normally from 20 min actual playing time. I would've expected around 24 min qtrs now from 16 min actual playing time, so I'd say with less playing time, hence fresher players, there's more stoppages. That maybe the other 3 min.
Yes, few of our blokes could execute that on their non preferred. Very few!!
Be able to use the non-preferred was an essential 30-40 years ago. When I used to go to training Parko would bellow "ok now, non-dominant side". It was practiced.
Dahlhouse and menegola going down helped a lot.
I wonder if that would have changed the outcome.
For anyone who didn't notice gibbons had 7 possessions before quarter time and was brilliant early.
They might have put some time into him afterwards. I noticed danger tag cripps a little after he couldnt get a touch early.
They tried the old trick of playing a man off Cripps to exploit the fact he doesnt man up the opposition but Danger couldnt get near it and when he did he butchered the footy more often than not.
Then they tried to get Selwood free by having him man Cripps but Curnow wouldnt leave him alone and that didnt work either..
In reality between Danger, Selwood, Ablett and Steven they probably got one decent quarter and that was from Dangerfield in the last. Dalhaus and Menegola would have hurt their rotations being injured and with Steven next to useless they were really three down...
Dahlhouse and menegola going down helped a lot.
I wonder if that would have changed the outcome.
For anyone who didn't notice gibbons had 7 possessions before quarter time and was brilliant early.
They might have put some time into him afterwards. I noticed danger tag cripps a little after he couldnt get a touch early.
Beauty of having Eddie back is that Gibbons can permanently go into the midfield. That has to help. Gibbons said on SEN today trying to learn to play the small forward role last year was so difficult and with Eddie back is really appreciating being back in his natural role in the midfield.
Yes, few of our blokes could execute that on their non preferred. Very few!!
Got a few who cant execute on their preferred either....Heath Scotland was the only Carlton player I could think of who could use both feet equally as well in recent times....gem of a pass from Eddie to Murphy.
Beauty of having Eddie back is that Gibbons can permanently go into the midfield. That has to help. Gibbons said on SEN today trying to learn to play the small forward role last year was so difficult and with Eddie back is really appreciating being back in his natural role in the midfield.
Yes, that's a big win.
And let's not underestimate the effect of Jack Martin working behind the ball. He is equally good at delivering the pill inside 50 (in the style of an outside receiver) as he is winning the darn hard ball get in the guts, in serious congestion.
Would be happy to see Jack and Crippa tie for the Brownlow one year.
Finally, if Harry and/or SOJ had converted early in the 4th, things would never have got so tight.
Big H really needs to sort his kicking out.
Got a few who cant execute on their preferred either....Heath Scotland was the only Carlton player I could think of who could use both feet equally as well in recent times....gem of a pass from Eddie to Murphy.
Yeah EB, there is that issue too :D
Got a few who cant execute on their preferred either....Heath Scotland was the only Carlton player I could think of who could use both feet equally as well in recent times....gem of a pass from Eddie to Murphy.
Gibbsy was too bad on his non preferred but not Scotto level. Scotto and Sam Mitchell were in the elite category as far as the both feet skill is concerned. I noticed Matty Rowel dob one from a long way out on his non preferred, No kids these days possess that skill.
Got tired of Scotland swinging onto his left and chipping moon balls onto blokes' heads. He could kick on his non preferred side, but it certainly wasn't stylish or particularly effective all the time.
Jack Steven after watching the replay will regret not going to collingwood, hoops didn’t flatter him... 😎
Got tired of Scotland swinging onto his left and chipping moon balls onto blokes' heads. He could kick on his non preferred side, but it certainly wasn't stylish or particularly effective all the time.
Harsh
No kids these days possess that skill.
Should be mandatory if you wanna make a real impression. Gone the way of the drop kick.
Harsh
I'm with the Prof.
Scoto was terrific, but his left wasn't a half as good as he obviously thought.
Should be mandatory if you wanna make a real impression. Gone the way of the drop kick.
I'm teaching my two (5 and 7, B & G) to drop kick but it's tough as they never see it done anywhere....
Can't recall a recent game where the Blues delivered the ball so well by foot - accurate and to advantage - at least during the first 3 terms.
Not surprised we were stuffed in the final term because the players ran so hard to pressure the pussies during the first 3 term (instead on simply trying to corral them, which has been the case for so many years). The noticeable difference in team intensity in the final term enabled the pussies to deliver the ball without pressure.
Can't recall a recent game where the Blues delivered the ball so well by foot - accurate and to advantage - at least during the first 3 terms.
Not surprised we were stuffed in the final term because the players ran so hard to pressure the pussies during the first 3 term (instead on simply trying to corral them, which has been the case for so many years). The noticeable difference in team intensity in the final term enabled the pussies to deliver the ball without pressure.
Agree. We came very close to losing it in the last - very close, undoing 3 quarters of great work. We smashed them in the aerial game - the different categories of marks all in our favour. Clearly the result of good kicking and blokes running themselves ragged to create separation, get to position etc. Pretty much everything else (tackles, CP's, I50's, scoring shots, clearances etc. ) all in their favour.
I hope this is a portent for the future and not just papering over the cracks.
And why is it that playing three tall forwards was poo pooed under Bolton, yet now, no problemo ? Oh wait............
Can't recall a recent game where the Blues delivered the ball so well by foot - accurate and to advantage - at least during the first 3 terms.
Not surprised we were stuffed in the final term because the players ran so hard to pressure the pussies during the first 3 term (instead on simply trying to corral them, which has been the case for so many years). The noticeable difference in team intensity in the final term enabled the pussies to deliver the ball without pressure.
Yes, we worked ultra-hard to create a lot of space, it has an impact in the end as you mention, but the benefit was we were rewarded with time to deliver the football as good as we ever have. Probably since the days of Fev. Having confidence in those clunking the football might also be a big factor, there was no hesitation in who to kick to.
I think as time passes we'll learn to balance the intensity, and pick the moments which will help preserve some leg speed at the tail end. Interesting Teague claimed they had plenty of legs left, but he felt the increased pressure made them hesitant.
I think the Handbaggers are a good team on their own terms, but there is no escaping their better players are older players.
Yes, we worked ultra-hard to create a lot of space, it has an impact in the end as you mention, but the benefit was we were rewarded with time to deliver the football as good as we ever have. Probably since the days of Fev. Having confidence in those clunking the football might also be a big factor, there was no hesitation in who to kick to.
I think as time passes we'll learn to balance the intensity, and pick the moments which will help preserve some leg speed at the tail end. Interesting Teague claimed they had plenty of legs left, but he felt the increased pressure made them hesitant.
I think the Handbaggers are a good team on their own terms, but there is no escaping their better players are older players.
Need to pace ourselves a bit better - back to tempo footy?
Need to pace ourselves a bit better - back to tempo footy?
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I'm worried about Plowman, beaten often and seems to be the oppositions avenue to goal more often than not.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-training-session-that-inspired-carlton-s-upset-win-over-geelong-20200621-p554lv.html
"Quarters have been cut from the traditional 20 minutes plus time on to 16 minutes plus time on this season, in an effort to ensure the AFL can get a full season in during the coronavirus pandemic. This in effect changes the average AFL match length from 120 minutes to 100 minutes."
But then they tell us the average quarter length since the start of round 2 is 27 minutes....
Remember that there is now a two minute break after a goal to give the TV networks more time for adds. Sixteen minutes plus five goals equals 26 minutes.
Agree. We came very close to losing it in the last - very close, undoing 3 quarters of great work. We smashed them in the aerial game - the different categories of marks all in our favour. Clearly the result of good kicking and blokes running themselves ragged to create separation, get to position etc. Pretty much everything else (tackles, CP's, I50's, scoring shots, clearances etc. ) all in their favour.
I hope this is a portent for the future and not just papering over the cracks.
And why is it that playing three tall forwards was poo pooed under Bolton, yet now, no problemo ? Oh wait............
Think we have a different ruckman who is impacting more, Harry couldnt get a game with Bolton, Martin and Betts have added class and Teague pays more attention to the opposition mids in particular.
Bolton just let class opposition mids run free in the name of development, the focus now is on winning games, players are having to self educate on the run now rather than being in school mode.
Agree. We came very close to losing it in the last - very close, undoing 3 quarters of great work. We smashed them in the aerial game - the different categories of marks all in our favour. Clearly the result of good kicking and blokes running themselves ragged to create separation, get to position etc. Pretty much everything else (tackles, CP's, I50's, scoring shots, clearances etc. ) all in their favour.
I hope this is a portent for the future and not just papering over the cracks.
And why is it that playing three tall forwards was poo pooed under Bolton, yet now, no problemo ? Oh wait............
Under Teague its actually working... (j/k).
In all seriousness.
At the end of the day, Bolton ran out of time, patience and as far as I can tell the major thing that went missing at the wrong moment was belief.
That belief was in the playing group. The group lost their faith in their ability to win. It coincides with the club losing faith in the rebuild but the players lost faith in themselves, and their ability to win when it counted.
Bolton's fortunes
may would have been different, simply by Docherty not ruining his knee twice.
It was that close. Lets recap a crucial period.
We beat the Bulldogs scoring our first 100 point total in the first time in years.
The following week against the Hawks in Tassie, Kreuzer broke down, and we broke down with him. That loss appeared to be the tipping point with the benefit of hindsight.
We got belted a week later by the Kangaroo's.
Rallied against Collingwood the following week.
Got belted by GWS a week later. Soul searching was done by the playing group in a players only meeting.
We never looked likely against the Saints a week later.
Then we played the Bombers, and once again didnt look likely.
Monday when Bolton was sacked occurred.
Did I agree with it? No. Was it the right thing to do? History is showing us, that potentially it was. I still am unsure, but we HAVE to let it go. The club needs to move on. Not dwell on this decision. Teague is in charge, and that was arguably the best win I have seen since the game agains the Bulldogs last year.
Never. Good song, by the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk)
Did I agree with it? No. Was it the right thing to do? History is showing us, that potentially it was. I still am unsure, but we HAVE to let it go. The club needs to move on. Not dwell on this decision. Teague is in charge, and that was arguably the best win I have seen since the game agains the Bulldogs last year.
I'm a Teague booster, but this issue of Teague being a success of failure is way to early to even consider!
I feel for Bolton, like it or not he had a lot of time, and even with warning shots being fired across the bow he wasn't able to find a way to change direction. Some of this is his fault, some of this isn't his fault, some of it is just luck which we cannot even call good or bad.
For 3 qtrs we were actually a good football side doing everything the side has promised for a while. We crapped our pants in the last qtr just trying to hold on to our lead rather than increase it but getting past a top side as we did, smashing them for 3 qtrs on the own dunghill will do the belief alot of good. Hopefully this is the game that changes everything. Time will tell.
Jack Steven after watching the replay will regret not going to collingwood, hoops didn’t flatter him... 😎
My first thought, in the after game on the ground, that it was a Geelong supporter, who had snuck onto the ground. Looked so out of shape.
Jack Steven never has been, and never will be a specimen. He's always had that nuggety, short and squat body shape, but yes, as others have noted, was barely in good enough fitness for VFL. It feels a little disrespectful, like the Cats brains trust imagined this will be a canter, and Jack can have a nice, laid back, easy reintroduction to AFL football, against easy prey. The superstars will do all the heavy lifting, and he can get a few kicks and run around on his home turf, and all will be well.
It feels a little disrespectful, like the Cats brains trust imagined this will be a canter, and Jack can have a nice, laid back, easy reintroduction to AFL football, against easy prey.
You think they've been drinking a bit too much of the Barwon?
You think they've been drinking a bit too much of the Barwon?
Probably not, but I take your point. The Cats are a professional outfit, but like all of us humans, just got this call wrong in my view. I doubt they'll do it again. And after all that, let's not forget they were storming home in the last - another 5 minutes and I'm sure they would've rolled us, which would have been the greatest theft in AFL history.
This game is a bit of a head scratcher IMO. I can't remember one team being so dominant for 3 quarters then just hanging on by 2 points.
Probably not, but I take your point. The Cats are a professional outfit, but like all of us humans, just got this call wrong in my view. I doubt they'll do it again. And after all that, let's not forget they were storming home in the last - another 5 minutes and I'm sure they would've rolled us, which would have been the greatest theft in AFL history.
Like us in the Rnd 1 and 2 matches?
For 3 qtrs we were actually a good football side doing everything the side has promised for a while. We crapped our pants in the last qtr just trying to hold on to our lead rather than increase it but getting past a top side as we did, smashing them for 3 qtrs on the own dunghill will do the belief alot of good. Hopefully this is the game that changes everything. Time will tell.
Agree the first 3 quarters was the best ive seen in too long to remember.
But I'm not sure the last quarter fade out was anything but our boys not being able to run out the game. We looked shot.
Not sure if they are much fitter then us maybe as their midfield group is much more seasoned then ours but watching the game live it was definitely a matter of when not if they would run over us.
I can't remember watching a game where a team looked so dead on their feet as we did. Haven't we got the fitness Guru?
Like us in the Rnd 1 and 2 matches?
Personally, I didn't get that feeling against Richmond. The Dees game was more evenly poised IMO - whilst I think we had the momentum most of the 2nd half (including the end) and may have won with some extra time, both teams were close enough in terms of skill, approach etc. The Cats game was very bizarre IMO. We went from hero to zero in what seemed like minutes.
The Cats game was very bizarre IMO. We went from hero to zero in what seemed like minutes.
I've watched it twice now, I suspect it was a headspace issue, we looked frozen not unfit, like we were thinking "Oh no not again!"
If you have time to re-watch it, take notice of our players in the last half of the final quarter. They look confused, and I suspect they failed to follow team orders in those moments. There is no way a coach will tell a team to flood back and leave nobody to kick the ball to, and he certainly won't tell 4 or 5 onball or forward players to sprint to the CHB position form a circle and guard 25m of empty space while the opposition play around the boundary! They(our blokes) got there ahead of the Geelong opponents and stood watching as our defenders played outnumbered on the boundary, that is not a fitness issue, it's panic!
Another one was when SPS cut across and poleaxed the Cats running defender, SPS stood watching then moved all too late, after the opponent had fumbled the mark, SPS had assumed the Cat would mark and he gave up.
I've watched it twice now, I suspect it was a headspace issue, we looked frozen not unfit, like we were thinking "Oh no not again!"
If you have time to re-watch it, take notice of our players in the last half of the final quarter. They look confused, and I suspect they failed to follow team orders in those moments. There is no way a coach will tell a team to flood back and leave nobody to kick the ball to, and he certainly won't tell 4 or 5 onball or forward players to sprint to the CHB position form a circle and guard 25m of empty space while the opposition play around the boundary! They(our blokes) got there ahead of the Geelong opponents and stood watching as our defenders played outnumbered on the boundary, that is not a fitness issue, it's panic!
That's exactly what Teague said in the post match. He's adamant that the players still had plenty of run, but just went all timid and conservative.
For 3 qtrs we were actually a good football side doing everything the side has promised for a while. We crapped our pants in the last qtr just trying to hold on to our lead rather than increase it but getting past a top side as we did, smashing them for 3 qtrs on the own dunghill will do the belief alot of good. Hopefully this is the game that changes everything. Time will tell.
For the players, coaches and supporters (the latter probably more than anyone). Sounds like the coaches believed and still do, the players thought they believed leading into Rich and Melb but stumbled. They well and truly got back on track in the first three qtrsv Geel. I for one, despite that we outplayed Melb for 3 qtrs, thought this week was going to be an utter massacre. At qtr time, I actually thought we would do the massacring. I texted two mates at 3/4 time and said to them "watch for the comeback of all comebacks". Not because I know one iota about football, but purely by my conditioning as a Carlton supporter. Holding off and winning made going to bed and waking up Sun morning so much better. More please.
Agree the first 3 quarters was the best ive seen in too long to remember.
But I'm not sure the last quarter fade out was anything but our boys not being able to run out the game. We looked shot.
Not sure if they are much fitter then us maybe as their midfield group is much more seasoned then ours but watching the game live it was definitely a matter of when not if they would run over us.
I can't remember watching a game where a team looked so dead on their feet as we did. Haven't we got the fitness Guru?
Was only going by what the coach said. He said they had the legs but the issues were mental where they started going down the line rather more rather than with what they were doing. Possibly it was alot of both, fatigue and some pants crapping.
Geelong has always been a team with a lot of belief and often fightback hard from any position hence I was was very nervous still, even at 3/4 time. At that time, despite a 35pt lead, I would've been happy to still win by a point. Maybe I should be careful what i wish for...haha.
What I am seeing, nearly all sides are struggling to play out the 4qtrs, due obviously to limited preparation time. Last week bludged early so had a heap left at the end, this week we hammered the start and couldn't finish.
Important having Eddie back, not just for what he can still give us at his age but, importantly frees up both Martin and Gibbons to play in the midfield. That makes us a much more formidable unit.
I've watched it twice now, I suspect it was a headspace issue, we looked frozen not unfit, like we were thinking "Oh no not again!"
If you have time to re-watch it, take notice of our players in the last half of the final quarter. They look confused, and I suspect they failed to follow team orders in those moments. There is no way a coach will tell a team to flood back and leave nobody to kick the ball to, and he certainly won't tell 4 or 5 onball or forward players to sprint to the CHB position form a circle and guard 25m of empty space while the opposition play around the boundary! They(our blokes) got there ahead of the Geelong opponents and stood watching as our defenders played outnumbered on the boundary, that is not a fitness issue, it's panic!
Another one was when SPS cut across and poleaxed the Cats running defender, SPS stood watching then moved all too late, after the opponent had fumbled the mark, SPS had assumed the Cat would mark and he gave up.
I thought that our players didn't know how to respond to Geelong's use of the corridor in the last quarter. The defensive structures that worked so well for the first three quarters weren't effective and our players didn't seem able to think on their feet and make appropriate adjustments.
It was a bit like our failure to adapt to Gawn's dominance in the first quarter last week.
I guess that's where we miss Daisy.
FYI AFLCA voting9 Levi Casboult (CARL)
7 Marc Pittonet (CARL)
5 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
4 Jacob Weitering (CARL)
3 Eddie Betts (CARL)
1 Gary Rohan (GEEL)
1 Sam Docherty (CARL)
Levi 9 votes - if you ever look up the definition of late bloomer...................
Classic. How many times did he look gone for all money ?
Classic. How many times did he look gone for all money ?
Should we delay answering that until the next game we play? :D
That raises a very good question, what must Levi do to win you over forever, maybe it's worth a poll thread of it's own?
I think all it will take is one after the siren come from behind winning goal against some club like The Filth, CheatsFC or The Ferals and he is effectively a club immortal!
Should we delay answering that until the next game we play? :D
LOL. I know I shouldn't go the early crow, but the old Levi feels like a distant, faded memory. He just seems to be one of those guys you can rely on these days.
I hope I haven't just mozzed him.
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That raises a very good question, what must Levi do to win you over forever, maybe it's worth a poll thread of it's own?
I think all it will take is one after the siren come from behind winning goal against some club like The Filth, CheatsFC or The Ferals and he is effectively a club immortal!
Personally I value consistency over the flashy stuff, but I accept they can be memorable in their own way.
If he plays this season like he did yesterday, that would do it for me. Would be good enough for AA, and would poll well in the coach's award and the club B+F. That would be crazy given his journey.
LOL. I know I shouldn't go the early crow, but the old Levi feels like a distant, faded memory. He just seems to be one of those guys you can rely on these days.
I hope I haven't just mozzed him.
He's been doing it for a couple of years now. That move to defence last year changed him.
Teague said he used to put so much pressure on himself, now he just goes out and plays.
Some talk of Weitering being potential AA if his good form continues.
FYI AFLCA voting
FYI AFLCA voting
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9 Levi Casboult (CARL)
7 Marc Pittonet (CARL)
5 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
4 Jacob Weitering (CARL)
3 Eddie Betts (CARL)
1 Gary Rohan (GEEL)
1 Sam Docherty (CARL)
I wonder how different those votes would have been had the Pussycats kicked a goal in the last seconds and won?
I wonder how different those votes would have been had the Pussycats kicked a goal in the last seconds and won?
I thought the same thing.
The coaches votes are a bit weird this week - Cripps BOG with one coach, nothing from the other. Maybe shows an even effort...
Levi 5+4
Pittonet 4+3
Cripps 5
Weiters 2+2
Eddie 3
Doc 1
Rohan 1
The coaches votes are a bit weird this week - Cripps BOG with one coach, nothing from the other. Maybe shows an even effort...
Levi 5+4
Pittonet 4+3
Cripps 5
Weiters 2+2
Eddie 3
Doc 1
Rohan 1
Chris Scott has history of snubbing star players of other clubs.
Chris Scott has history of snubbing star players of other clubs.
Definitely a strange cat (no pun intended), he sometime speaks so well and makes a lot of sense, then in the same breath, he does the Jekyll and Hyde thing and is a complete moron.
Chris Scott has history of snubbing star players of other clubs.
Also he had the heat put on him on the footy show by Kane Cornes saying they didn't respect Cripps enough and ran with the wrong type of players on him too often in the centre and they paid the price for that lack of respect.
Scott apart from being a sook also hates to admit he got it wrong so leaving Cripps out of his votes is typical of how this bloke operates.
Cant stand him!!!
Also he had the heat put on him on the footy show by Kane Cornes saying they didn't respect Cripps enough and ran with the wrong type of players on him too often in the centre and they paid the price for that lack of respect.
Scott apart from being a sook also hates to admit he got it wrong so leaving Cripps out of his votes is typical of how this bloke operates.
Cant stand him!!!
Don't blame you at all.
The coaches votes are a bit weird this week - Cripps BOG with one coach, nothing from the other. Maybe shows an even effort...
Levi 5+4
Pittonet 4+3
Cripps 5
Weiters 2+2
Eddie 3
Doc 1
Rohan 1
There is an alternative (i just did the same thing before i saw this)
Doc 1
Rohan 1
Betts 3
Casboult 5+4
They MUST be like that.
The rest is either as you said with cripps 5 + 0, or Weitering with 4 + 0.
Cripps 2+3
Pittonet 2+5
Weitering 4
So 1 coach snubbed either Cripps or Weitering.
I don't think anyone would say Cripps was BOG (so 2+3) meaning Weitering got snubbed.....most likely by Scott IMO. He'd blame his midfielders for poor delivery, rather than Weitering for stopping everything that came his way.
4 games ago at the same venue.....129 to 61
Changes:
Out: Kreuzer, Fisher, Dow, Deluca, Kennedy, Thomas, Newman, O’Brien,
In: Pittonet, Jones, Gibbons, Martin, Williamson, Docherty, Betts, Newnes
Some talk of Weitering being potential AA if his good form continues.
Will they have an AA this season?
Weitering is continuing his 2019 form and, while I think that he was stiff to miss out last season (particularly with the added pressure of the loss of defenders through injury and the diabolical lack of defensive pressure from those up the ground), those that judge these awards tend to overlook players in navy blue.
4 games ago at the same venue.....129 to 61
Changes:
Out: Kreuzer, Fisher, Dow, Deluca, Kennedy, Thomas, Newman, O’Brien,
In: Pittonet, Jones, Gibbons, Martin, Williamson, Docherty, Betts, Newnes
Plus they had a 3 goal breeze for 3 quarters.
4 games ago at the same venue.....129 to 61
Changes:
Out: Kreuzer, Fisher, Dow, Deluca, Kennedy, Thomas, Newman, O’Brien,
In: Pittonet, Jones, Gibbons, Martin, Williamson, Docherty, Betts, Newnes
Compelling.
4 games ago at the same venue.....129 to 61
Changes:
Out: Kreuzer, Fisher, Dow, Deluca, Kennedy, Thomas, Newman, O’Brien,
In: Pittonet, Jones, Gibbons, Martin, Williamson, Docherty, Betts, Newnes
Pittonet is currently an upgrade on Kreuzer.
And no question Jones, Doc, Betts & Martin are massive upgrades.
I've always thought we were 3 experienced mids away from a premiership threat. With Martin now performing it feels like 2.
Add Brad Crouch, Papley and Zac Williams this off-season and we'll be right in the Premiership window I think.
(It's going to take that sort of recruiting spree to get us there I reckon given Dow, etc. haven't really come on yet)
Pittonet is currently an upgrade on Kreuzer.
And no question Jones, Doc, Betts & Martin are massive upgrades.
I've always thought we were 3 experienced mids away from a premiership threat. With Martin now performing it feels like 2.
Add Brad Crouch, Papley and Zac Williams this off-season and we'll be right in the Premiership window I think.
(It's going to take that sort of recruiting spree to get us there I reckon given Dow, etc. haven't really come on yet)
I'd add Wines to that group ahead of Williams....and look to get the other Crouch the year after.
I'd add Wines to that group ahead of Williams....and look to get the other Crouch the year after.
Too slow.
Feck the Crouch's. We can do better than them. I don't see the fascination.
Too slow.
Need the muscle IMO, only have Cripps with any decent size....can see why SOS wanted Tom Green from GWS.
re: Zac Williams....not sure we need another half back flanker? and if we do I prefer one who puts his head over the ball a bit more.
Feck the Crouch's. We can do better than them. I don't see the fascination.
Can we do better than them?...Matt has been AA and been in the top 5 for possies in the comp and Brad had a very good season last year. Appreciate they have had a slow start to this season but have still been in the Crows better players....something rotten in Adelaide when Walker continues to get games and others are made scape goats for the clubs lack of form.
Put them both at new club with less off field problems and they would do very well IMO and we might get them cheaper given what happening with the Crows..
Didn't the crows just drop a crouch this week?
Why are we looking at picking up their duds?
Didn't the crows just drop a crouch this week?
Why are we looking at picking up their duds?
They picked up one of ours I just wanted to be fair and reasonable and return the favour.
They dropped Matt Crouch but I'd happily take him off their hands at a lower price if they dont rate him....Crows are a rabble
and when you have a ultra consistent AA like M. Crouch not playing well then you need to dig a bit deeper and all roads lead
to off field problems and a bloke called Ricciuto.
How Walker continues to get a game defies logic...his attack on the football has been insipid and dare I say it but B. Gibbs can consider himself unlucky if Walker is the standard setter at that club. They have to be bottom 4 material and the carcass needs to be picked clean of any talent.
They picked up one of ours I just wanted to be fair and reasonable and return the favour.
They dropped Matt Crouch but I'd happily take him off their hands at a lower price if they dont rate him....Crows are a rabble
and when you have a ultra consistent AA like M. Crouch not playing well then you need to dig a bit deeper and all roads lead
to off field problems and a bloke called Ricciuto.
How Walker continues to get a game defies logic...his attack on the football has been insipid and dare I say it but B. Gibbs can consider himself unlucky if Walker is the standard setter at that club. They have to be bottom 4 material and the carcass needs to be picked clean of any talent.
Gibbs is an inside mid. And they have the 2 crouchs who compete for his spot and they are younger and a bit faster. Crouch dropping opens the door a crack for him.
Gibbs is an inside mid. And they have the 2 crouchs who compete for his spot and they are younger and a bit faster. Crouch dropping opens the door a crack for him.
https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/axed-crow-gibbs-still-in-afl-frame-coach-c-1096724
I think Nicks has Bryce earmarked for a HB position, and even then one gets the feeling that with the focus on youth, Gibbs may only get a game here and there.
Gibbs is an inside mid. And they have the 2 crouchs who compete for his spot and they are younger and a bit faster. Crouch dropping opens the door a crack for him.
Speak of the devil.
Gibbs just tweeted.
https://twitter.com/BGibbsy4/status/1276846133633933312
He still needs to get picked though.
See he tweeted BAGGERS after the game tonight. Pretty unprecedented for a current player of another club but good on him. 12 years at Carlton.
He might be back next year. Teague likes older, reliable players, and he could be going cheap, so you never know..............
Speak of the devil.
Gibbs just tweeted.
https://twitter.com/BGibbsy4/status/1276846133633933312
OUCH! That will get some heat in Adelaide.
He might be back next year. Teague likes older, reliable players, and he could be going cheap, so you never know..............
If Carlton took his salary with him the Crows would have to look at it.
Can we do better than them?...Matt has been AA and been in the top 5 for possies in the comp and Brad had a very good season last year. Appreciate they have had a slow start to this season but have still been in the Crows better players....something rotten in Adelaide when Walker continues to get games and others are made scape goats for the clubs lack of form.
Put them both at new club with less off field problems and they would do very well IMO and we might get them cheaper given what happening with the Crows..
I watch a few games of footy, and not many crows games tbh, but whenever I do i hardly notice the crouch boys. maybe that's just the type of players they are, unobtrusive. if one fell in our laps for not much then sure, but i'd never chase them as big trade targets and give up much for them. I dunno, they just don't impress me much.
He might be back next year. Teague likes older, reliable players, and he could be going cheap, so you never know..............
that's the story of the night for me, clearly something in the tweet...
i wouldn't blame him for preferring to be at the blues right now. he clearly wasn't all that keen on going back home in the first place, but i can't see how the family situation could have changed that much.
would he want to come back? would we want him? would he get a game?
I watch a few games of footy, and not many crows games tbh, but whenever I do i hardly notice the crouch boys. maybe that's just the type of players they are, unobtrusive. if one fell in our laps for not much then sure, but i'd never chase them as big trade targets and give up much for them. I dunno, they just don't impress me much.
Yep, you're not alone there. Lots of soft possessions and little impact.
that's the story of the night for me, clearly something in the tweet...
i wouldn't blame him for preferring to be at the blues right now. he clearly wasn't all that keen on going back home in the first place, but i can't see how the family situation could have changed that much.
would he want to come back? would we want him? would he get a game?
Not sure on answers to those last 3 questions, but reading the top 50 or so comments on his twitter feed, the verdict from Blues fans is almost unanimous - almost all want him back.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blue-skies-can-carlton-dare-to-dream-after-toppling-bombers-20200627-p556st.html
According to this article, Betts' 50m penalty for encroaching on the mark. lol.
Not sure on answers to those last 3 questions, but reading the top 50 or so comments on his twitter feed, the verdict from Blues fans is almost unanimous - almost all want him back.
I suspect that Gibbs is struggling with the toxic atmosphere at the Crows but you wouldn’t want to give up much for a player in such poor form. Who would he displace from last night’s team?
At worst he would add to our growing depth :)
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blue-skies-can-carlton-dare-to-dream-after-toppling-bombers-20200627-p556st.html
According to this article, Betts' 50m penalty for encroaching on the mark. lol.
Yes, that seems to be the official line. In that case, the 50m penalty is taken from the mark so 70m up the ground, not 90m.
It looked to me that Betts was the correct distance from the goal square, and the umpire should have called him back if he was too close. It also seemed that he didn’t leave the mark until after Saad had played on but perhaps he moved before the umpire called ‘play on’. Either way it’s still an umpiring error compounded by an over generous 50m >:(
I suspect that Gibbs is struggling with the toxic atmosphere at the Crows but you wouldn’t want to give up much for a player in such poor form. Who would he displace from last night’s team?
At worst he would add to our growing depth :)
I can't see Gibbs costing much in trade or monetary value, assuming he did return. I'm not sure what's going on at the Crows, but from the outside it seems like a boy's club practicing the politics of exclusion, and those in charge, like Sloane and Walker, make scapegoats of those on the outer.
Gibbs is a versatile player - he could play wing, mid, HB. He would be an upgrade on Plowman for starters.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blue-skies-can-carlton-dare-to-dream-after-toppling-bombers-20200627-p556st.html
According to this article, Betts' 50m penalty for encroaching on the mark. lol.
They need to do the right thing and come out and say they made a mistake, not conjure up rubbish reasoning and junk excuses for something that is as obvious as the noses on their faces.
They need to do the right thing and come out and say they made a mistake, not conjure up rubbish reasoning and junk excuses for something that is as obvious as the noses on their faces.
Yes, and to their credit the umpires and AFL are getting better at admitting when they stuffed up. We'll see what happens this time.
Not sure on answers to those last 3 questions, but reading the top 50 or so comments on his twitter feed, the verdict from Blues fans is almost unanimous - almost all want him back.
Think about that logically for a second.
If anyone is following Gibbs' tweets, they obviously still take an interest in him. Thus, positive.
If anyone (think spanner lol) is happy to see the back of him, they will not have anything to do with Gibbs or his twitter account. So no negative responses.
;)
I can't see Gibbs costing much in trade or monetary value, assuming he did return. I'm not sure what's going on at the Crows, but from the outside it seems like a boy's club practicing the politics of exclusion, and those in charge, like Sloane and Walker, make scapegoats of those on the outer.
Gibbs is a versatile player - he could play wing, mid, HB. He would be an upgrade on Plowman for starters.
Not that keen at his age but if it only cost a 4th rounder then why not.
Not sure he sold his house that he extensively renovated a number of years ago. We know exactly what we would get from him and therefore it’s just case of do we want what he offers or can we cover him with someone who will be part of our system for the next 5 years?
Bruised lung and broken rib for SOJ.
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Andrew McGrath, Essendon, has been charged with Striking (Fixed Financial Sanction) Sam Walsh, Carlton, during the fourth quarter of the Round Four match between Essendon and Carlton, played at the MCG on Saturday June 27.
In summary he can accept a $750 sanction with an early plea.
Based on the available evidence, the incident was assessed as Striking (Fixed Financial Sanction). The incident was classified as a $1250 sanction as a first offence. The player can accept a $750 sanction with an early plea.
That one didnt even get a mention. Meanwhile how was Jacob townsends hands in the back vs plowman not a free kick too?
Not sure he sold his house that he extensively renovated a number of years ago. We know exactly what we would get from him and therefore it’s just case of do we want what he offers or can we cover him with someone who will be part of our system for the next 5 years?
He is now effectively a state league player, so I'm sure the AFL can bend the rules and allow us to pick him up in the mid season draft, assuming there is one.
If Bryce wanted to return, I wouldn't complain. But I wouldn't be giving them much in return. After all, he is playing in the SANFL most weeks at the moment.
At the moment the Crows are the favourites to win the spoon. That would cause some players to be simply flicked. Getting Bryce as a delisted free agent would be nice, especially considering what Adelaide paid for him.