Carlton Supporters Club

@ Lods and @ PaulP
You make excellent, logical points. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Carlton supporters don't see it this way, they only things they see are:
1. The fact that we haven't won a premiership in 31 years.
2. Playing finals every year.
3. Ladder Position (improvement year on year).
The above are all fine as expectations for fans and the club, the problem with our club has been that the same person has copped the blame for it every time they have been met (by fans and the club), the coach.
There are a host of reasons for the above three key objectives being met/not met. What's important is that those administering the club properly analyse those reasons and act on rectifying them in a measured way. Whether it's the coach, high performance, injuries, players not adhering to club mandates etc, I care not, as long as it's dealt with properly and professionally.
Over the years, I have felt that the club as acted on the of whim the supporter base and the media. I'd like to think with the recent appointments of those in charge, that has now changed.

I'll just add this on coaching, IMO there isn't a hell of lot of difference between all the coaches and games styles these days, I personally think the key to success is the right mix of talent, experience, workmanlike role players, the cohesion of the all the above and consistent availability of the above.

Which is essentially what I'm saying.
We don't have the information to make that judgement other than win-loss and ladder position.

Those that do, will make that call (or not make it ) based on a lot more than results.
And when and if they do, we should accept that it's been made with a whole lot more information than we possess.
Not just because "It's the old Carlton way".
That's a cliche that has no bearing to the current, very different make-up of the current regime.

We want and need a coach who can impact and get the side combining to the best of their ability.
It's actually a challenge for Voss...and one that could enhance his reputation if he can get a good season despite the loss of a few key players.

So what type of contract do you expect him to be offered if we finish bottom 4?
Don't forget, it's a new contract.

I expect us to do well and he will get a new contract.
Bottom 4 and he won't.

You might be right but it’s back to the ol merry go round isn’t it ?
Given the instability is it “right” to judge Voss on finals…?
I’d say not but I’m not loud and vocal.

I've gone for the 10-12 option...but I'm thinking more in terms of around 8 to12 mark.

Economists don't seem too impressed with Taco Accounts.

Despite its limited life - children born in the next three years - the US economy simply doesn't have the capacity to fund the direct fiscal cost of over $3 billion per year and the money will most likely have to be borrowed. While these payments are a direct cost to the US government, they are a benefit to the lenders through interest. In other words, the payments and receipts cancel each other out.

However, the $1,000 grant is just a redistribution from taxpayers and lenders to newborns, and is neutral in terms of efficiency. The opportunity costs are not neutral though; when the US government borrows, it issues bonds. The investors who buy those bonds aren't investing that money in other, more critical areas of the economy like infrastructure, health, education, housing, energy, etc.

The affordability crisis means that the vast majority of American families won't be able to make contributions.  Most beneficiaries will receive $1,000 plus 18 years of compound interest and the administration reckons that will be worth $15,000.  The administration calculates that children from families that can afford to invest the maximum will have $742,000.  In other words, "It will make wealth inequality significantly worse, because it favors those who have resources to begin with,” according to David Radcliffe, from The New School’s Institute on Race, Power, and Political Economy.

William Darity, an economist at Duke University, says "Allowing those who are richer to put more in than those who are poor runs counter to any notion that there's any kind of redistributive justice taking place.”  And this is an economy where the bottom 50% of American households hold just 2.5% of the wealth.

Yep.

The only US politician I listen to in reference to how the working class is doing in the US is Bernie. Too many working class/lower class/middle class Yanks don't seem to realise how they're being fkd over -- in so many ways -- by the decaying Orange One and his army of sycophants. Republican Party is dead. And let's not talk about the disarray Democrats.