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I'm coming home by train, so this thread will be 4 - 6 pages in by the time I put my 2 cents worth in.

Did Kerridge costs us three goals from turnovers?

Kerridge was good today just made a couple of howlers.

No where near as bad as everyone has made him out to be.

The two injuries did more to decide the match than anything else.

That and some generous umpiring in front of Melbourne's goal

Too bad they didn't pay jack's mark.

Brave effort after losing Cripps and White.

One of the better overall performances I have seen us play in actual fact.

At least 2, I can't remember the 3rd, but had a few turnovers and also an out of bounds on the full from a set shot.

Gutted to not win, but they played well today and didn't need a lot of things to change to have turned that into a win. Considering the injuries before half time, that is a fair effort.

I love watching Kreuzer this year. Beaten in taps today, but was all over the ground.
Some really good contested grabs by Casboult, perhaps 5? Could have done better with his last two kicks in particular, but he did play a good game. Charlie was immense in the 1st half. I thought Murphy, Gibbs and co all played well as did Simmo, Plowman and Doc up back.

SPS and Fisher need to be in the 2s. Learn to find the pill.

Weitering - 2nd yer blues?

Kerridge, couple of errors but who didn't. Very good game overall.

Simmo - few howlers today too.

Kerridge was good today just made a couple of howlers.

No where near as bad as everyone has made him out to be.

The two injuries did more to decide the match than anything else.

That and some generous umpiring in front of Melbourne's goal

Too bad they didn't pay jack's mark.

Sure they were costly errors, but geez he played out of his skin today. 

Too bad they didn't pay jack's mark.

Murphy goaled about 30 seconds later anyway

If Charlie doesnt get Rising Star this week then the whole award is rigged.

SPS and Fisher need to be in the 2s. Learn to find the pill.

Weitering - 2nd yer blues?

Kerridge, couple of errors but who didn't. Very good game overall.

Simmo - few howlers today too.

Was our best by a mile and you pot him for few clangers (which I can't remember) ::)

If we were cleaner in F50 the last 15 minutes, we would have rightfully won.
We LOST that game. Demons DIDN'T win

If we were cleaner in F50 the last 15 minutes, we would have rightfully won.
We LOST that game. Demons DIDN'T win

2 rotations down... the guys were dead on their feet.

5th time we've led in the last qtr this year and lost. Win them all, which you won't do admittedly, and we're top 4 hence an actually flag shot. Still, with a young side that's rebuilding it's a great sign for next year. Takes only a very little step from here to be a final side. Anyway, with 2 men down against a top 8 side that's an excellent effort.

That one is tough to swallow, not sure how many goals from frees they got but clearly those decisions had a massive impact on the game. As always we get our frees in defence and midfield whilst coughing them up in front of goal 30 out.

- Sheehan on today's performance has a limited future, got sucked in to high tackles against my mate jeffy

- plowman was great, and Simmo was awesome. Doc less so but was moved into the middle after Cripps went off

- weitering was ok, got lost in a few contests but was better with ball in hand

- loved sps goal and fishers pressure, jack could have had four of umpires were consistent



But for the bounce of the ball in the last few mins in our goal square we would have won.

Was our best by a mile and you pot him for few clangers (which I can't remember) ::)

Kerridge was comfortably better than Simmo today, but whATEVER, another close 'honourable' loss.

Brave effort after losing Cripps and White.

One of the better overall performances I have seen us play in actual fact.

Was always going to be a challenge with 2down for more than a half of footy.
We had 13 less rotations, so the 20 were running on empty.

Lots of very good signs I thought. L
R2 went down by 20ish. This time by 8. Not bad with 20 on the park.

Kerridge was comfortably better than Simmo today, but whATEVER, another close 'honourable' loss.

The beauty of football is we all look at things differently, I think Simmo was a mile better than Kerridge

Another 'honourable loss!' ::) Full of character considering the loss of Cripps and White. Apparently Cripps copped the kick to the top of the calf but there is no apparent knee damage.

Despite a few costly errors and an attack of the fumbles, Kerridge doesn't deserve excessive derision. He took some strong timely marks and his disposal by foot has improved greatly. One of our best.

Loved the efforts Doc, Simmo, Charlie (gotta get the Rising Star this week), Plowman, SOJ, Kreuz, Murph and Gibbs.

Samo started slowly but improved as the game wore on.

Casboult worked his @rse off and can hold his head high.

Macreadie will be better for the run.

Cuningham did his invisible man stuff when we desperately needed him to step up once Cripps was gone.

If Charlie doesnt get Rising Star this week then the whole award is rigged.

X 100.

Kerridge was good today just made a couple of howlers.

No where near as bad as everyone has made him out to be.

The two injuries did more to decide the match than anything else.

That and some generous umpiring in front of Melbourne's goal

Too bad they didn't pay jack's mark.

One of the Maggots did :o

Another good effort, at least we supporters no longer need to worry about the team giving 100%.
The usual story really, the game was there to be won but we just lacked polish, our skill errors become more frequent as we get tired.
Cripps had his calf strapped so it doesn't look like a serious injury but he'll probably miss next week.
Another game into Silvagni, Curnow, Macredie, Fisher, Cunningham, SPS and Weitering, which will bear fruit in a year or two.
Jones very good again, Hogan 10 touches and a goal but the goal was kicked on Weitering, it really looks as though Liam is the real deal as a top line defender.

Kerridge was comfortably better than Simmo today, but whATEVER, another close 'honourable' loss.

Lol. Ok

X 100.

Not sure. Killed it in the first half then faded.

Haven't watched any other games this week so not sure who else put their hand up.

Just on Kerridge...
9 Clangers today. Simmo had 6 which is far too many also.
The thing with Kerridge is that a few directly cost goals (and another was the out on the full from the set shot).

By comparison, Doc and Murphy had 69 disposals for 1 clanger  :o

Damn - really needed to beat the dirtiest side in the league. Plain fact of the matter is we're not good enough. Close, but still can't kick enough goals.
Turnovers yet again killed us. Kerridge did butcher it a couple of times but his last quarter was epic - almost got us over the line.

Not sure. Killed it in the first half then faded.

Haven't watched any other games this week so not sure who else put their hand up.

He did fade, but another 19 disposals this week. 10 Contested
10 Marks, 3 of them inside 50, 4 contested marks  and 2 goals...

Add the cumulative effect and he has been the best Rising Star eligible player (including all previously nominated) over the last 3 weeks.
Has to get the nod

He did fade, but another 19 disposals this week. 10 Contested
10 Marks, 3 of them inside 50, 4 contested marks  and 2 goals...

Add the cumulative effect and he has been the best Rising Star eligible player (including all previously nominated) over the last 3 weeks.
Has to get the nod

Fair enough, didn't realise he had so many. The goal he kicked in the 2nd ????

He will absolutely take a game by the scruff of the neck sooner than later. Love him

Kerridge is a turn over merchant...did some good things but critical momements where he gave away the footy hurt us
Sheehan...not quick or smart enough for AFL footy.
No Cripps really cost us clearance wise...Gibbs and Murphy dont do enough in that area.
Weitering was ordinary..lowered his colours to T. Mcdonald and seems to have lost some confidence.

Jones was good....
Kruezer beat Gawn IMO .
Levi...good but couldnt nail a couple of crucial goals...
Charlie...good again..

Melbourne are crape and the umpiring was even more crape...


24-20 is hard to beat when you are tired and frustrated....I dont normally whinge about umpiring but it was atrocious...

Sheehan...not quick or smart enough for AFL footy.

He'll be fine, needs time to get up to AFL pace and use to AFL umpiring, AFL umpiring is so different from any other level of the game.

BB will hate this result, I reckon we had the top 5 or 6 players on the ground but still lost!

BB will hate this result, I reckon we had the top 5 or 6 players on the ground but still lost!

Agree...only winner I had for Melbourne was T. McDonald with his 4 goals.....Petracca did ok but only when Cripps went off.
Oliver had 29 possies but did nothing with them apart from sook and take on the fans for some verbal jousting....

He'll be fine, needs time to get up to AFL pace and use to AFL umpiring, AFL umpiring is so different from any other level of the game.

I'll  defer to those who are better judges than me, but I don't see what all of the hype is about Sheehan. :-[

Agree...only winner I had for Melbourne was T. McDonald with his 4 goals.....Petracca did ok but only when Cripps went off.
Oliver had 29 possies but did nothing with them apart from sook and take on the fans for some verbal jousting....

McDonald did well, but Weitering wasn't as bad as some have made out. McDonald took 5 marks and kicked 4 goals striaght which means he played well. But most AFL players wouldn't kick 4 straight from that set of opportunities.

We moved the ball really well for 3 out of 4 quarters of the game, but clearly our legs ran out!

I'll  defer to those who are better judges than me, but I don't see what all of the hype is about Sheehan. :-[

When he is fully fit and in form:
- Has a good body for modern day footy, big strong quads and solid (but not too much) up top;
- Lefty who kicks very well, low and penetrating kick, better than 2E IMO.
- Has attitude (or abit of c- - -) and doesn't take a backward step.
He has a place in our side I reckon, questions are:
1. Can his body hold up and allow him to get a good run in the 1s?
2. Can he regain that early career form he displayed in the handful of games he played?
Also, can he and Bryre play in the same side or are they competing for the same spot ?

Kruez was sensational again against one of the best - only down a handful of hit outs. Efficiency lower, but that could relate to Crippa going off. Just loving his game this year, so consistent and skilled. Showing why he was a No. 1. pick.

Our leaders were solid. Murphy, Gibbs, Simmo, Docherty all put in.
Casboult deserves to take a bow. Certainly played a hard running, sticky hands, 4q game ;D

Naturally some of the youngsters were patchy, but blind Freddy can see their growth. SOJ was great, playing with some real attitude. Samo, yes patchy, but how super was his goal. When he develops that consistency he'll cause plenty of headaches. Thought McCreadie improved as time went on.
Charlie - absolute stunner. RS nod or RS is RS ;)

The middle tier held their own. Kerridge. A couple of blues aside, has shown real improvement for mine. Seems to be able to find space more often. Lamb, Daisy both earned their spot. Plowman seems to developing as the season progresses, and Jones showed he belongs.

In the end both sides didn't have top 22 on the park. Our good passages were very good and we stayed in it despite being 2 down. Our seasoned players persevered and our babies shown glimpses of great footy. Save a few errors we'd have had this. If fully manned, we'd definitely have had the prize. Not to be today but showed how much we've progressed. Good effort new Blues.

I hope Crippa and White pull up OK.

BB will hate this result, I reckon we had the top 5 or 6 players on the ground but still lost!

I agree, and admit I wear navy goggles (with pride)
 I know stats are stats, but we won:
- hard ball gets
- clearances
- i50 and i50 efficiency
- marking contest, including contested (smashed them actually)
- tackle count
Efficiency overall slightly down, but had 13 less rotations

I imagine some of this will please coaching staff.

I'll  defer to those who are better judges than me, but I don't see what all of the hype is about Sheehan. :-[

You know that was only his 6th game! :o

I agree, and admit I wear navy goggles (with pride)
 I know stats are stats, but we won:
- hard ball gets
- clearances
- i50 and i50 efficiency
- marking contest, including contested (smashed them actually)
- tackle count
Efficiency overall slightly down, but had 13 less rotations

I imagine some of this will please coaching staff.

Agree with all that...problem was our disposal efficiency, we gave away the ball too often, Gibbs was around 51%, Simpson 63%. Kerridge 66% and even Cripps when he played was only 44%, Cunningham 58%, Lamb 58%....

You know that was only his 6th game! :o

That's fine... All I am saying is that there is a lot of hype around him, and I am yet to understand why.
Even the post above from GITC, good kick and goes hard...  That doesn't justify hype for mine. But again,  there are a lot  better judges out there than me, just wondering why all the hype is all

You know that was only his 6th game! :o

Dont think he is as good as Cam OShea who plays for the NB's....

I'm shat off....  Drove 400 km to get radio reception and we had an "honourable" loss.  I call bulldust.  Melbourne are rubbish, they were ripe for the taking.  I'll give them full marks for sheer effort but it wasn't good enough today.  Just what do we do we tradesmen like Kerridge the ball burner, or White, who seems to end every game injured.... Can't win with only cameos from the kids and I'll call the elephant in the room - I'm worried, really worried about Weitering.

As for Fussy, the VFL is the place to find form, not the seniors.

If Melbourne are a finals side the standard of the competition is poor. 

First time I really saw the effect of lack of rotations. Have no doubt if cripps was for we win that game. As soon as the ball found space in the last we couldn't go with them for pace. Cost us the game imo.

Charlie was very good and is developing much faster then expected but like a lot of our kids seems to tire in the 2nd half.

Sheehan got nervous and cost us with some silly turnovers which were critical in the result.

Kruezers work around the ground was awesome and has to be AA at this stage.

Lost so not happy,  but bigger picture is the club is showing a ton me of  heart and is definitely better then I thought they would be At 18 months into a full rebuild.

Add 2 decent midfielders, resign cas and keep Gibbs and very real chance of jumping up the ladder next year and finals are not out of reach in 2018 based on what I've seen.

 

crap that loss hurt - at the game, the Blues crowd was willing them over the line and you could see they were beyond totally spent!

Hate Lewis, dickhead

We are not a finals side but we are getting closer need to finish of this year strongly even if we lose performances like that are good - one or two more wins this year will be great for team/club confidence.

Melbourne had a lot of players out and if we are a genuine finals side we need similar type of depth. So need to go to the draft again and pick up loads of youngsters.

I'm shat off....  Drove 400 km to get radio reception and we had an "honourable" loss.  I call bulldust.  Melbourne are rubbish, they were ripe for the taking.  I'll give them full marks for sheer effort but it wasn't good enough today.  Just what do we do we tradesmen like Kerridge the ball burner, or White, who seems to end every game injured.... Can't win with only cameos from the kids and I'll call the elephant in the room - I'm worried, really worried about Weitering.

As for Fussy, the VFL is the place to find form, not the seniors.

If Melbourne are a finals side the standard of the competition is poor.

We're missing a few too then were left with only 2 on the bench, Did well in the end.

Looking at the stats the kids are now getting tired. Alot of potential there though.

I don't think i'd be worrying about Weitering too much. He'll be a gun for years.

Weitering seems a little down on confidence... reckon he had a couple of chances to kill the contest, and I'd like to see him back himself a bit more and kick long (forward) out of defence. Almost seems too worried about making a mistake. But he is a 19 year old learning the caper - don't be too worried.

We simply borked up too many gilt edged chances to win that game. Frustrating.

Thought MK was magnificent

Jacks kicking for goal is so good, I really feel confident when He has it in hand.

Charlie's goals was amazing. SPS's excellent!

Thought Gibbs spectated a lot in the first half - Murph was very good.

Plow was fantastic. Kerridge made some Dumb Errors but knows how to find the ball.  Casbolt marked everything. Love that!

Weiters was fine for mine, I didn't think he did anything
The more they all play together the better they'll get.

Umpiring really gave me the craps.

Was the Silvagni mark in the 3rd qtr actually touched?

Was the Silvagni mark in the 3rd qtr actually touched?

IMO..NO...umpiring was woeful all day, inconsistent and helped lose us the game IMO..

I also thought Macreadie played really well. His stats say otherwise, but he wasn't there for that. He just seemed to be at the contest. Looked an assured senior AFL footballer to me.

I also thought Macreadie played really well. His stats say otherwise, but he wasn't there for that. He just seemed to be at the contest. Looked an assured senior AFL footballer to me.

I had trouble spotting him early mio.
As soon I said that (to myself, coz nobody listens to me when I watch footy :P), he bobbed up.
Then I noticed him at plenty of contests, ready. No doubt he's absorbing the play and pace at this level. Looking forward to when he can pounce and make his mark. He seems to have the right will, nous, and effort afaic. Good size too.

crap that loss hurt - at the game, the Blues crowd was willing them over the line and you could see they were beyond totally spent!

Hate Lewis, dickhead

Agree on all the above MO, but look at it another way. If we dont lose Cripps and White we win. Throw in a Josh Kelly, we win. We battled hard two men down and battled the maggots as well. Chin up, the future is bright, in time we will convert these loses into wins and the ledger will look very different...as will this forum.

That's fine... All I am saying is that there is a lot of hype around him, and I am yet to understand why.
Even the post above from GITC, good kick and goes hard...  That doesn't justify hype for mine. But again,  there are a lot  better judges out there than me, just wondering why all the hype is all

I didnt mention or suggest hype, I was suggesting (IMO) he has a place in the side when he is up and running, a soldier if you like. Not a star, just an honest hard worker who will play his role week in week out.

Was the Silvagni mark in the 3rd qtr actually touched?

Just watched it on replay

How the screw that was called touch beggars belief! The Melbourne player wasn't claiming he touched it, not once. The umpire closest called it a mark, the umpire behind the play called it touched. Seriously pathetic. The slow mo replay doesn't show the Melbourne players fingers move and as I said, he didn't even say it was touched!

Re: RS nomination

We all agree Charlie gets it this week, right. Some very rational poster mentioned being unaware of 'who else might be deserving'. I've watched most but not all games and thought about the Dockers debutant.

Here's the thing. He was pick 34 in the rookie draft and is 20 - from NT. He kicked 4 goals BTW. Unusual surname Nyhaus (?sp). Would he fit eligibility criteria. I have no idea what the criteria is  :-[

Anyone know?

I'm shat off....  Drove 400 km to get radio reception and we had an "honourable" loss.  I call bulldust.  Melbourne are rubbish, they were ripe for the taking.  I'll give them full marks for sheer effort but it wasn't good enough today.  Just what do we do we tradesmen like Kerridge the ball burner, or White, who seems to end every game injured.... Can't win with only cameos from the kids and I'll call the elephant in the room - I'm worried, really worried about Weitering.

As for Fussy, the VFL is the place to find form, not the seniors.

If Melbourne are a finals side the standard of the competition is poor.

Don't listen to the radio rubbish, that was possibly the best football we have played all season! The mix of quick ball movement with tempo control was just about perfect. If not for those injuries I suspect we would have run over the Demons quite easily.

Congratulations Samo.
His goal is in the AFL top 10 plays of the round.
Take a bow son. May there be many many more.

Re: RS nomination

We all agree Charlie gets it this week, right. Some very rational poster mentioned being unaware of 'who else might be deserving'. I've watched most but not all games and thought about the Dockers debutant.

Here's the thing. He was pick 34 in the rookie draft and is 20 - from NT. He kicked 4 goals BTW. Unusual surname Nyhaus (?sp). Would he fit eligibility criteria. I have no idea what the criteria is  :-[

Anyone know?

Official criteria, be picked from rookie draft, be from NT, kick multiple goals... ????

According to the AFL app Tracker we ran 3km less than Melbourne in the last half.

Affect of rotations at a guess.

I didnt mention or suggest hype, I was suggesting (IMO) he has a place in the side when he is up and running, a soldier if you like. Not a star, just an honest hard worker who will play his role week in week out.

I'm not one to pot players - but - I'd be surprised if Sheehan is on the list next year.

Guys like Byrne and Williamson - even Macreadie - have shown a lot more. Not sure how many HBF'ers you can carry on a list, but we are surely up to pussy's bow.

Sheehan is nearly 27 and I'd have huge doubts he is AFL standard.

Official criteria, be picked from rookie draft, be from NT, kick multiple goals... ????

Sshhh don't tell the powers that be. Charlie will never get a nomination. Mind you, that he didn't get it last week suggests he's invisible...

Give Sheahan a chance. Far more experienced players completely ballsed up in the last term. Gibbs and Daisy had shockers.

Give Sheahan a chance. Far more experienced players completely ballsed up in the last term. Gibbs and Daisy had shockers.

They certainly weren't the only two.
Our disposal and decision making was poor.

Agree on all the above MO, but look at it another way. If we dont lose Cripps and White we win. Throw in a Josh Kelly, we win. We battled hard two men down and battled the maggots as well. Chin up, the future is bright, in time we will convert these loses into wins and the ledger will look very different...as will this forum.

If only it were that simple ;)
You're right though, lots to like today, given where we're at.

Our crap ball use, over thinking, indecisiveness then poor execution cost us 4 goals or more in Q2 and Q3.

Weiters push in the back in the dying minutes of Q2 when we had 3 on 1. Simply bloody stoopid....

Our crap ball use, over thinking, indecisiveness then poor execution cost us 4 goals or more in Q2 and Q3.

Weiters push in the back in the dying minutes of Q2 when we had 3 on 1. Simply bloody stoopid....

To be fair to Weiters, yes he shoved him (McDonald ?) but by golly he absolutely launched him !
How strong is weiters going to be in 2 years ?? ????

As for the errors in the last 1/4 particularly, just pure fatigue.
Kudos to Melbourne, they made sure that they ran us off our feet in the last 1/2.

Most of Gibbs' errors were purely because he refused to kick on his left.

When Daisy snaps for goal why does he always feel the need to kick the bladder out of the ball?

Why does Charlie Curnow play on then try to go back and take his kick? 2 weeks in a row he has done that at crucial times.

At least 2, I can't remember the 3rd, but had a few turnovers and also an out of bounds on the full from a set shot.

Gutted to not win, but they played well today and didn't need a lot of things to change to have turned that into a win. Considering the injuries before half time, that is a fair effort.

I love watching Kreuzer this year. Beaten in taps today, but was all over the ground.
Some really good contested grabs by Casboult, perhaps 5? Could have done better with his last two kicks in particular, but he did play a good game. Charlie was immense in the 1st half. I thought Murphy, Gibbs and co all played well as did Simmo, Plowman and Doc up back.

Just started reading this so it may of already been discussed.

It was Sheean, crape himself and handballed directly to Melbourne player which led to the goal that put them in front. Took my daughter with me yesterday, as she only comes a couple of times a year, she has not seen a win for about 3 years, I said to her that she may be able to sing the song at the end of the game as I thought we were in with a real chance in the last 1/4.

I think Simmo had a free kick coming to him against Jetta on the wing in the last couple of minutes. If we win that contest or free kick we kick a certain goal as Doc was streaming down the centre by himself, that would of put us up by a few points I think at that time and with our experience at been so close in a few games we could of killed the ball and locked it in to hold on for the win.. So close yet so far.

I think Simmo had a free kick coming to him against Jetta on the wing in the last couple of minutes.

Agreed, the Dees had a free given their way in almost identical circumstances.

A clear free to Simmo for holding yet nada....

And yes, it would have almost certainly been a goal to us.

Agreed, the Dees had a free given their way in almost identical circumstances.

A clear free to Simmo for holding yet nada....

And yes, it would have almost certainly been a goal to us.

Lamb's carry on put a couple of the umpires off us.

It's funny how perspective changes perception. We had umpires switched on to the Snow Bunnies tactics, and another umpire that thought it was our inflaming the situation that caused problems.

As an aside, I've never seen a team that throws the ball as much as Melbourne.

Agreed, the Dees had a free given their way in almost identical circumstances.

A clear free to Simmo for holding yet nada....

And yes, it would have almost certainly been a goal to us.

I think we got the rub of the green with the umpires early (particularly Kreuzer in that ruck contest with Gawn), and it wasnt until we started belting into Lewis at every opportunity that the umpires turned.  Lesson to learn in that.  If you want to be try hard thugs for all game expect not to get the calls your way.

That was 100% the same free kick that Jeff got in front of goal against Sheehan.

Which highlighted Sheehans lack of nous for this sport.

I think we got the rub of the green with the umpires early (particularly Kreuzer in that ruck contest with Gawn), and it wasnt until we started belting into Lewis at every opportunity that the umpires turned.  Lesson to learn in that.  If you want to be try hard thugs for all game expect not to get the calls your way.

That was 100% the same free kick that Jeff got in front of goal against Sheehan.

Which highlighted Sheehans lack of nous for this sport.

To be fair to Sheehan, he shouldn't be playing on a Garlett type and he shouldn't be the 'goalkeeper'......

To be fair to Sheehan, he shouldn't be playing on a Garlett type and he shouldn't be the 'goalkeeper'......

It's no good complaining about our ball use if the club is going to allow Sheehan to be dragged into the back pocket leaving the likes of Kerridge, Lamb and White trying to hits targets.

Unfortunately, our major ball winners at VFL level might be getting plenty, but they cook it most of the time. It remains a major problem across our club, a lack of composure and a lack of accuracy.

Neither side looked good yesterday, great intent but horrible application. Teams like the Swans and Dawks should tear them a new one in the latter part of the season.

But I'd expect Byrne is an in for next week, and Pickett might be up for a recall just ahead of Graham.

It's no good complaining about our ball use if the club is going to allow Sheehan to be dragged into the back pocket leaving the likes of Kerridge, Lamb and White trying to hits targets.

i agree entirely though i thought our disposal inefficiency yesterday was far more pervasive....

Frustrating not to win, but gee I'm a proud Bluebagger. Best game I have seen from our lads for some time, and there have been many great games this year, and last to be honest.

Listenting to Brian Taylor, a clear hater of Carlton commentate, and be allowed to be SOOOO one eyed, is both embarrassing for him and annoying for the Carlton viewer, probably any footy lover. I have never ever rated his calling anyway!

The umps hated us again. Some absolute shockers, howlers. I just don't get it!

The effort yesterday was incredible, to say the least! Two men down also. Hoping Cripps is ok, White too. Particularly Crippa!!!

Have been a little concerned with Weitering's lack of intensity and toughness in the contest this year, again yesterday on a number of occasions. Though he started the best I have seen for a while, then seems to get quite timid in  and around the contest. Only a kid, but hopefully he'll impose himself more very soon. I like the kid and he has some serious talent!

Charlie Curnow, you star!

Kerridge was good today just made a couple of howlers.

No where near as bad as everyone has made him out to be.

The two injuries did more to decide the match than anything else.

That and some generous umpiring in front of Melbourne's goal

Too bad they didn't pay jack's mark.

35 possessions to Kerridge in an excellent effort. He made 3 mistakes, maybe 4 if you're super-critical. That means he had 31 useful or more than useful possessions. That is pretty good. His work in shutting down a man while getting plenty of ball was a real positive.

For all the mistakes and missed opportunities, it was the injuries to Cripps and White that made the difference. That and the having so many kids. A lot of guys were really struggling for condition in that last few minutes. That won't be the case after a few more pre-seasons. Then WE will have the extra yard of pace at the critical moments.

The umpiring: probably the less said about that the better. At half time I shouted "2 goals to Melbourne, 5 to the Umpires", only to be abused and accosted by some Melbourne supporters. Must have hit a nerve.

Gussy did a great job shutting down Garlett, but the goals really hurt. Frees. And Gussy's mistake by handballing forward when there were 2 Blues behind him was crucial. But he will learn.

Agreed, the Dees had a free given their way in almost identical circumstances.

A clear free to Simmo for holding yet nada....

And yes, it would have almost certainly been a goal to us.

This is what I don't get.  I know I'm totally biased but ... 

Week after week the 50/50's are paid against us in front of goal but crucial 'in play' decision are play on.  Probably more relevant to compare Garlett and McDonald's frees to Gary Rohan's mark in the dying seconds against Essendon.  I mean, he was caught behind and literally picked up the guy and threw him aside.

My mate calls it the "halo effect". Umpires, being human, cannot NOT be swayed by the wishes of the crowd and the zeitgeist (like cleavage - guys cannot NOT look). The whole world wants a fairytale Footscray premiership?  Sure, let's make it so.

Not that I'm letting the umps spoil my appreciation of the boys' efforts yesterday.  We gave it our all.

35 possessions to Kerridge in an excellent effort. He made 3 mistakes, maybe 4 if you're super-critical. That means he had 31 useful or more than useful possessions. That is pretty good. His work in shutting down a man while getting plenty of ball was a real positive.

For all the mistakes and missed opportunities, it was the injuries to Cripps and White that made the difference. That and the having so many kids. A lot of guys were really struggling for condition in that last few minutes. That won't be the case after a few more pre-seasons. Then WE will have the extra yard of pace at the critical moments.

The umpiring: probably the less said about that the better. At half time I shouted "2 goals to Melbourne, 5 to the Umpires", only to be abused and accosted by some Melbourne supporters. Must have hit a nerve.

Gussy did a great job shutting down Garlett, but the goals really hurt. Frees. And Gussy's mistake by handballing forward when there were 2 Blues behind him was crucial. But he will learn.

Sorry, I didn't rate Kerridge as high as others in yesterday's game. High numbers which shows you the guys works. That's a tick. Otherwise, his fumbly hands for a midfielder cost us hugely on a number of occasions. You watch his next game. Fumbly McFumbles.

Sorry, I didn't rate Kerridge as high as others in yesterday's game. High numbers which shows you the guys works. That's a tick. Otherwise, his fumbly hands for a midfielder cost us hugely on a number of occasions. You watch his next game. Fumbly McFumbles.

I thought Simpson was just as bad.
Cost us a number of times. Including goals.

The umpiring was ordinary but it went both ways.
Garlett's early free and goal against Sheehan was as soft as butter but later in the game Docherty clearly tackled Lewis high yet Lewis was called for holding the ball.
I'm not certain how a touched ball is judged in a marking contest but in the spirit of the game Silvagni's was a mark all day long.
Ultimately our own skill errors cost us the game, a couple of glaring ones which led directly to goals but many others in general play that lost us the run of the ball and had us caught out of position.
Our skills just aren't up to what's required at the top level and we'll need to hit the draft and make some good trades until we can eliminate the main culprits, we all know who they are.

I thought Kerridge played about the best that Kerridge could play.
However, like my comments about Casboult, he simply isn't good enough. Stop gap at best.

Kerridge tried his guts out and AFL App suggests that he run 17km yesterday, the most of anyone on the ground.
He ran 3km at top speed, again, the most of anyone on the ground.
There were a few 15-16kms and 2+kms but he maxed out.

Yes, he will always make some howlers, but if you were given the option pre-game of Kerridge having 20 touches or 35 touches (=most) you'd probably take the 35.

Just on Casboult, i thought it played well. Probably the most CM's i've seen him take in a game. Still, failed to really make a difference on the scoreboard. 1.2 was his output. 3.0 wins us the match. But as others will point out, others missed goals too. This is true. But he misses them every week!

Contrast to someone like Jack Silvagni.
Only got the ball 8 times. Managed to kick 3 goals straight.

All in all, the game is a step in the right direction. It highlighted a few things we already knew, we're not there yet.

I thought Kerridge played about the best that Kerridge could play.
However, like my comments about Casboult, he simply isn't good enough. Stop gap at best.

Kerridge tried his guts out and AFL App suggests that he run 17km yesterday, the most of anyone on the ground.
He ran 3km at top speed, again, the most of anyone on the ground.
There were a few 15-16kms and 2+kms but he maxed out.

Yes, he will always make some howlers, but if you were given the option pre-game of Kerridge having 20 touches or 35 touches (=most) you'd probably take the 35.

Just on Casboult, i thought it played well. Probably the most CM's i've seen him take in a game. Still, failed to really make a difference on the scoreboard. 1.2 was his output. 3.0 wins us the match. But as others will point out, others missed goals too. This is true. But he misses them every week!

Contrast to someone like Jack Silvagni.
Only got the ball 8 times. Managed to kick 3 goals straight.

All in all, the game is a step in the right direction. It highlighted a few things we already knew, we're not there yet.

Yeah good assessment on Kerridge, and good stats on him.

As I said in my post, he works hard, that is clear.

What is also clear is he ain't really up to the top level.

On Kerridge. The shot at goal and major miss - that's a between the ears issue - needs to develop a better routine...

Charlie C. Son, if you take a mark anywhere inside 50. Stop go back and IF, and unless, the give off is a 200% no brainer, TAKE THE SHOT!!

This is a good article on the Blues.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2017/07/10/blues-mastered-honourable-loss/

We should have won that game... this one hurt.

We should have won that game... this one hurt.

If Cripps had stayed on the ground we would have, it's just the luck of the draw.

With half a dozen or more small, silly but costly mistakes, it was a disappointing loss.

They had 3 out, we had Ed Curnow out and Cripps and White go down during the game. The fact that we were still able to match it with them and nearly get the win I do find very encouraging.

I thought Kreuzer was our best by a mile. The leadership group as they have for most games this year were all among the best players for us.

It was a nice return for Sammo with 16 touches, 9 tackles and a ripper goal.

Liam Jones was again solid, Plowman was good too.

Up front, Charlie and SOS were both good and will both be very damaging when our F50 entries get a lot better !!

Listenting to Brian Taylor, a clear hater of Carlton commentate, and be allowed to be SOOOO one eyed, is both embarrassing for him and annoying for the Carlton viewer, probably any footy lover. I have never ever rated his calling anyway!

AMEN!!!  There was a passage where MFC put 2 or 3 kicks together on the run, and he lost his crap, like it was the greatest thing ever to happen on a footy field.  Then, we pull off a few really good pieces of play (a Charlie grab, a Levi grab, SPS goal, some link up thru the middle) and get about a 10th of the reaction.

Even started trying to hose down the Liam Jones hype, by saying "its only 4 games" - this is the same guy who annoited Jake Stringer President of the World after a handful of games

However, like my comments about Casboult, he simply isn't good enough. Stop gap at best.

Just on Casboult, i thought it played well. Probably the most CM's i've seen him take in a game. Still, failed to really make a difference on the scoreboard. 1.2 was his output. 3.0 wins us the match. But as others will point out, others missed goals too. This is true. But he misses them every week!

Contrast to someone like Jack Silvagni.
Only got the ball 8 times. Managed to kick 3 goals straight.

I love your comparison.

Jack Silvagni has kicked 15.14 for the year (most of those misses were from set shots - many of them very gettable). He also hoiked one out on the full which you didn't mention.

Cas has kicked 23.13 for the year. So a full 30% better at shooting for goal than Jack.

Cas is also number 1 in the league for contested marks. Yep - number 1. Yet he's in your view a "stop gap"?

If we lost him to free agency it would be an unmitigated disaster.

I don't get your hatred of Casboult. I had him in our best 2 or 3 players yesterday and top 5 in our B&F.

I love your comparison.

Jack Silvagni has kicked 15.14 for the year (most of those misses were from set shots - many of them very gettable). He also hoiked one out on the full which you didn't mention.

Cas has kicked 23.13 for the year. So a full 30% better at shooting for goal than Jack.

Cas is also number 1 in the league for contested marks. Yep - number 1. Yet he's in your view a "stop gap"?

If we lost him to free agency it would be an unmitigated disaster.

I don't get your hatred of Casboult. I had him in our best 2 or 3 players yesterday and top 5 in our B&F.

How many of Meats shots have failed to score, either OOB or fell short?

If Cripps had stayed on the ground we would have, it's just the luck of the draw.

Yeah I hear you.

But no Viney and Tyson and reckon that was the best movement of the ball we have had all year in the first half.

Just frustrating, I am not about wins and losses this year, but we should be at least 7-8 wins already.

 

I love your comparison.

Jack Silvagni has kicked 15.14 for the year (most of those misses were from set shots - many of them very gettable). He also hoiked one out on the full which you didn't mention.

Cas has kicked 23.13 for the year. So a full 30% better at shooting for goal than Jack.

Cas is also number 1 in the league for contested marks. Yep - number 1. Yet he's in your view a "stop gap"?

If we lost him to free agency it would be an unmitigated disaster.

I don't get your hatred of Casboult. I had him in our best 2 or 3 players yesterday and top 5 in our B&F.

Firstly,
Jack Silvagni is 18yo.
Levi Casboult is 27.
As such, we expect more from Levi than we do a teenager. Levi didn't play a game until he was 22.

Secondly,
Your %'s are out of whack. AFL website includes missed shots altogether.
Jack (15.14.4(oob) = 45.5%
Levi (23.13.7(oob) = 53.5%

8% difference between them, not 30.

Thirdly,
I've pointed out that it was one of Casboults best games. I have often said that he has the best hands in the league. When i evaluate him, i take all that into account.
2 things really rub me the wrong way with him.
 - He's been in the system for long enough now. He is still struggling with the basics of the game. Mental or otherwise.
 - He simply cannot be relied upon with the ball in his hands to win you the game. Who was the last bloke with a shot on goal for us yesterday? Could've put us 9 points up deep in the last quarter.

Finally,
There is no hatred of him.
Just want for the best for the club. Having a below par key forward will not take us to the ultimate success.

Cas is also number 1 in the league for contested marks. Yep - number 1.

I was just checking out the stats and noticed the Docherty is No. 1 for marks this year - 148, 25 ahead of Jeremy Howe on 123.

How the hell did Brisbane Lions let this guy go?!?  :o

I was just checking out the stats and noticed the Docherty is No. 1 for marks this year - 148, 25 ahead of Jeremy Howe on 123.

How the hell did Brisbane Lions let this guy go?!?  :o

For pick 33 no less!
It was a wonderful trade for us, one of the few pluses of the Malthouse years along with the drafting of Cripps. 
Liam Jones could well become another one.

Firstly,
Jack Silvagni is 18yo.
Levi Casboult is 27.
As such, we expect more from Levi than we do a teenager. Levi didn't play a game until he was 22.

Secondly,
Your %'s are out of whack. AFL website includes missed shots altogether.
Jack (15.14.4(oob) = 45.5%
Levi (23.13.7(oob) = 53.5%

8% difference between them, not 30.

Thirdly,
I've pointed out that it was one of Casboults best games. I have often said that he has the best hands in the league. When i evaluate him, i take all that into account.
2 things really rub me the wrong way with him.
 - He's been in the system for long enough now. He is still struggling with the basics of the game. Mental or otherwise.
 - He simply cannot be relied upon with the ball in his hands to win you the game. Who was the last bloke with a shot on goal for us yesterday? Could've put us 9 points up deep in the last quarter.

Finally,
There is no hatred of him.
Just want for the best for the club. Having a below par key forward will not take us to the ultimate success.

This is not a whack at Silvagni - I know he's 19. You're selectively choosing what to compare though to suit a completely bogus argument is what I'm talking about. Ignore the good - embellish the bad.

SOSOS: 29 shots for 4 oob = 12% of his shots go oob
Cas: 43 shots for 7 oob = 16% of his shots go oob

3 oob's in front but has taken 14 more shots... but who really cares when you're leading the comp for contested marks - except some real misery guts with an ax to grind.

Lastly - I know you hate Casboult. I can tell because instead of just acknowledging an excellent performance and leaving it at that you can't help but pick out an irrelevant rubbish stat to make a case against him. He's not perfect but he'd get a game at any other club in the comp right now and if he wasn't there we'd be properly stuffed.

This is not a whack at Silvagni - I know he's 19. You're selectively choosing what to compare though to suit a completely bogus argument is what I'm talking about. Ignore the good - embellish the bad.

SOSOS: 29 shots for 4 oob = 12% of his shots go oob
Cas: 43 shots for 7 oob = 16% of his shots go oob

3 oob's in front but has taken 14 more shots... but who really cares when you're leading the comp for contested marks - except some real misery guts with an ax to grind.

Lastly - I know you hate Casboult. I can tell because instead of just acknowledging an excellent performance and leaving it at that you can't help but pick out an irrelevant rubbish stat to make a case against him. He's not perfect but he'd get a game at any other club in the comp right now and if he wasn't there we'd be properly stuffed.

I'll forgive your 'knowing i hate casboult', because your comprehension skills are not great. Here's why.
Jack is 18, not 19.

More of Casboults shots go OOB, yes he's taken more, but more go OOB. Your own %'s tell you that. What you are saying suits MY argument, not yours.

I don't buy the rhetoric that Casboult would get a game at any other club or that we'd be stuffed without him. That was the same talk we had when we were going to get rid of Fev. Our best season in recent history came the exact year after we ditched him.

Acknowledging, repeatedly, that Casboult is the best mark in the game is hardly ignoring the good you accuse me of.

Casboult played well. Haven't seen many better games from him.

Answer me this. If a team has their key forward play one of the best games they've had him play. How often does that team lose? How often does that player end up with only 1 goal to his name? The problem i have is that we are celebrating mediocrity.

Casboult tries his guts out more often than not and while he continues to do that i will pick him every game. Same reason i prefer White, Daisy, Fisher types who may not have a complete skill set. That doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for better....and there are better out there.

I think as with all on our list, we celebrate the good, and recognize the bad with Cas.

And our best season since 2002 was 2011 - Fev was sacked at the end of 2009.

I think as with all on our list, we celebrate the good, and recognize the bad with Cas.

And our best season since 2002 was 2011 - Fev was sacked at the end of 2009.

Sorry, you are correct.

We equalled our output in 2010 without fev. (made finals, lost 1st week interstate by under 10 points)
Exceeded the following year.

I think as with all on our list, we celebrate the good, and recognize the bad with Cas.

And our best season since 2002 was 2011 - Fev was sacked at the end of 2009.

Fev was a drunken yobbo but he was four times the footballer Casboult is.
Levi's played every one of his 90 odd games at full forward, averages a tick over a goal a game and has never kicked more than four in a match.
In fact in about 35 of his 90 odd games he's scored donuts.
I couldn't care less if he's a better mark than Sticks Kernahan, a full forward's job is to hit the scoreboard.

Sorry, you are correct.

We equalled our output in 2010 without fev. (made finals, lost 1st week interstate by under 10 points)
Exceeded the following year.

No worries - there are many facts and figures to keep track of, we all get things mixed up sooner or later.

If we kept Fev we could have won the flag in 2011.

Fev was a drunken yobbo but he was four times the footballer Casboult is.
Levi's played every one of his 90 odd games at full forward, averages a tick over a goal a game and has never kicked more than four in a match.
In fact in about 35 of his 90 odd games he's scored donuts.
I couldn't care less if he's a better mark than Sticks Kernahan, a full forward's job is to hit the scoreboard.

Not sure that I'd call Fev a drunken yob, but yes he is 4x the player Casboult is - but then, Fev is 4x better than most forwards.

A rather unfair comparison IMO.

If we kept Fev we could have won the flag in 2011.

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Not sure that I'd call Fev a drunken yob, but yes he is 4x the player Casboult is - but then, Fev is 4x better than most forwards.

A rather unfair comparison IMO.

It wasn't meant as a 1 to 1 comparison.

It was about replacing an important part of your structure.

The fact we were essentially able to replace a guy of Fevs talents, should make people more agreeable when it comes to replacing/upgrading Casboult.

Not sure that I'd call Fev a drunken yob, but yes he is 4x the player Casboult is - but then, Fev is 4x better than most forwards.

A rather unfair comparison IMO.

Why is it unfair?
Heck, Setanta O'Hailpin played a season and a half at full back and another in the ruck and his goal average was only marginally less than Casboult's, and Brad Fisher's was a fair slice better.
We aren't talking about gun players here.

It wasn't meant as a 1 to 1 comparison.

It was about replacing an important part of your structure.

The fact we were essentially able to replace a guy of Fevs talents, should make people more agreeable when it comes to replacing/upgrading Casboult.

I see - my bad.

It wasn't meant as a 1 to 1 comparison.

It was about replacing an important part of your structure.

The fact we were essentially able to replace a guy of Fevs talents, should make people more agreeable when it comes to replacing/upgrading Casboult.

It's a moot point.
We won't be replacing Casboult any time soon because we simply have no other options, so we'll keep pumping up his tyres as only one eyed football supporters can.

I couldn't care less if he's a better mark than Sticks Kernahan, a full forward's job is to hit the scoreboard.

I almost brought Sticks' name up before.

A lot of people thought he was a terrible kick, and he kinda was.
A lot of people remember the scores tied game against the bombers "any score will do" scenario after the siren. Out on the full.

However, i think it was the very next week that Sticks had a chance to redeem himself and kicked the winner at the death to show he can handle the pressure.

Casboult doesn't exhibit any of those signs to me, quite the opposite.

Secondly,
Your %'s are out of whack. AFL website includes missed shots altogether.
Jack (15.14.4(oob) = 45.5%
Levi (23.13.7(oob) = 53.5%

8% difference between them, not 30.

I think you'll find Casboult has also had a few severe mis-kicks from inside F50 that failed to score but ended up being rushed, marked or punched OOB and won't be counted in those OOB stats.

I think you'll find Casboult has also had a few severe mis-kicks from inside F50 that failed to score but ended up being rushed, marked or punched OOB and won't be counted in those OOB stats.

Yeah, i'm not sure if those OOB ones include that or not. Given Casboult only registered 7 'others' at this stage. I suspect you're right.

I think you'll find Casboult has also had a few severe mis-kicks from inside F50 that failed to score but ended up being rushed, marked or punched OOB and won't be counted in those OOB stats.

Speaking of which, Simmo's effort from 40 metres yesterday was pretty average.

I almost brought Sticks' name up before.

A lot of people thought he was a terrible kick, and he kinda was.
A lot of people remember the scores tied game against the bombers "any score will do" scenario after the siren. Out on the full.

However, i think it was the very next week that Sticks had a chance to redeem himself and kicked the winner at the death to show he can handle the pressure.

Casboult doesn't exhibit any of those signs to me, quite the opposite.

Carey missed from 20 metres dead in front in North's tragic grand final loss to Adelaide, it happens to the best of them.
When Levi has a shot from any more than 30 metres on any sort of angle at all then all you can do is hope, and if he nails it it's a nice surprise, like when he hits up a target with a field kick.
He's an excellent overhead mark, but the rest of his game is why he slipped to pick 40 in the rookie draft.
Given where he was drafted he's done pretty well actually, but it's also an indication of the glaring weaknesses in our side.

Carey missed from 20 metres dead in front in North's tragic grand final loss to Adelaide, it happens to the best of them.
When Levi has a shot from any more than 30 metres on any sort of angle at all then all you can do is hope, and if he nails it it's a nice surprise, like when he hits up a target with a field kick.
He's an excellent overhead mark, but the rest of his game is why he slipped to pick 40 in the rookie draft.
Given where he was drafted he's done pretty well actually, but it's also an indication of the glaring weaknesses in our side.

Is it (re the glaring weaknesses)?

Doggies won a flag without any key forward, Pies have none (Darcy who?), Shockers get by without one,....

our weakness is our midfield, Levi is the least of our concerns.

Didn't Tom Boyd kick 3.2 in the GF ?

Levi has improved, but I'm not sure you can blame his continued flakiness in front of goal to the midfield. If you look over the AFL, he's hardly Pat Malone, but it's still an area of concern. I still feel edgy when he kicks for goal, which is why I advocated playing him either in the goal square or on the wing - essentially where the effects of his strengths are maximized. and his weaknesses are minimized. Otherwise we'll be having the same discussion over and over until he gets cut, or offered a $1M per season contract by Richmond, and becomes the central plank in their charge towards a 3peat.

Didn't Tom Boyd kick 3.2 in the GF ?

Levi has improved, but I'm not sure you can blame his continued flakiness in front of goal to the midfield. If you look over the AFL, he's hardly Pat Malone, but it's still an area of concern. I still feel edgy when he kicks for goal, which is why I advocated playing him either in the goal square or on the wing - essentially where the effects of his strengths are maximized. and his weaknesses are minimized. Otherwise we'll be having the same discussion over and over until he gets cut, or offered a $1M per season contract by Richmond, and becomes the central plank in their charge towards a 3peat.

i'm not, someone spoke of glaring weaknesses. He is not the main problem....

For now, he's quite adequate...

Is it (re the glaring weaknesses)?

Doggies won a flag without any key forward, Pies have none (Darcy who?), Shockers get by without one,....

our weakness is our midfield, Levi is the least of our concerns.

Yes. Another 9 strong marks on the weekend, the junior partner of the best ruck combo in the competition. He's having a good year, getting better as the season goes. He tends to get outside 50 alot so tends to create chances more so than kick goals himself not to mention create alot of opportunities for our smaller players with his physicality. There's a reason why he's getting the attention of other clubs and why the likes of Gary Buckenara called hom one of our untouchables.

Look for a key forward he doesn't kick enough goals. That would be fine if he helped set up other goals but unfortunately his passing is worse than his goal kicking. He is a great mark but is useless when the ball hits the deck. Does he get a game at Adelaide? No. GWS? No. Geelong? No. Melbourne? No. St. Kilda? No. Richmond? Maybe.

In fairness to Meat, had he not had a history of poor kicking his present efforts would not be a concern (in terms of accuracy). Who knows, maybe we haven't given H a go (which would help Meat) yet as SOS wants to make sure our first pick is in the top 5 for draft negotiation purposes  ;) ;D :P

Look for a key forward he doesn't kick enough goals. That would be fine if he helped set up other goals but unfortunately his passing is worse than his goal kicking. He is a great mark but is useless when the ball hits the deck. Does he get a game at Adelaide? No. GWS? No. Geelong? No. Melbourne? No. St. Kilda? No. Richmond? Maybe.

Geelong yes, Richmond, yes, Collingwood yes, Hawthorn yes, Freo yes, just for starters. So sides don't need his like. Geelong could do with another forward, especially one that can play on the ball. Richmond are apparently offering 2 million for 4 years so it's a bit more than maybe.

He's rated alot higher by footy commentators, other clubs etc than by our supporters. When it comes to supporters with agendas or people that are actually involved with footy certainly be the latter many times over.

He would get a game at other crap sides but not Geelong.

In fairness to Meat, had he not had a history of poor kicking his present efforts would not be a concern (in terms of accuracy). Who knows, maybe we haven't given H a go (which would help Meat) yet as SOS wants to make sure our first pick is in the top 5 for draft negotiation purposes  ;) ;D :P

+1 history is working more against him than anything else.

Spot on Baggers old mate!

I don't think Clarkson would countenance Levi even for a second.

And Baggers, fair post.

Geelong yes, Richmond, yes, Collingwood yes, Hawthorn yes, Freo yes, just for starters. So sides don't need his like. Geelong could do with another forward, especially one that can play on the ball. Richmond are apparently offering 2 million for 4 years so it's a bit more than maybe.

He's rated alot higher by footy commentators, other clubs etc than by our supporters. When it comes to supporters with agendas or people that are actually involved with footy certainly be the latter many times over.

For real?
All of the above is presumably why his manager accepted a one year deal from Carlton this season, because other clubs were beating his door down.

And note how life is easier for Levi now Charlie looms as a real threat as a forward....

And that wasn't really rocket science, was it. QED.

Doggies got away with it because of their fast, fast ball movement through their mids. We never had that luxury....

I'll forgive your 'knowing i hate casboult', because your comprehension skills are not great. Here's why.
Jack is 18, not 19.

More of Casboults shots go OOB, yes he's taken more, but more go OOB. Your own %'s tell you that. What you are saying suits MY argument, not yours.

I don't buy the rhetoric that Casboult would get a game at any other club or that we'd be stuffed without him. That was the same talk we had when we were going to get rid of Fev. Our best season in recent history came the exact year after we ditched him.

Acknowledging, repeatedly, that Casboult is the best mark in the game is hardly ignoring the good you accuse me of.

Casboult played well. Haven't seen many better games from him.

Answer me this. If a team has their key forward play one of the best games they've had him play. How often does that team lose? How often does that player end up with only 1 goal to his name? The problem i have is that we are celebrating mediocrity.

Casboult tries his guts out more often than not and while he continues to do that i will pick him every game. Same reason i prefer White, Daisy, Fisher types who may not have a complete skill set. That doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for better....and there are better out there.

Without wanting to be petty about it Jack is 19 not 18. Comprehension skills still intact then.

Losing Betts, Garlett, Waite, Fevola, Everitt... and every other forward of any note is not a strategy that has served us well to this point in my opinion. You clearly don't share that view but I'd say having the lowest score in the AFL at the minute is in some way not helped by losing all of our forwards. Losing Casboult would be a disastrous continuation of that problem. Complete and total disaster. Keep him and add to him. Don't lose him to FA for FA.

Stringer, both Reiwoldts, Bruce, Franklin, Toby Greene, Fasolo, Zorko, Sam Reid, Lecras, Martin, Tom Lynch, Waite, McCarthy, Peter Wright and yes Jack Silvagni....... all worse goal kicking accuracy than Cas this year according to the AFL website which I believe takes into account all shots at goal not just goals / behinds.

I don't think Clarkson would countenance Levi even for a second.

And Baggers, fair post.

He took on Tyrone Vickery.   Never say never!

Without wanting to be petty about it Jack is 19 not 18. Comprehension skills still intact then.

Losing Betts, Garlett, Waite, Fevola, Everitt... and every other forward of any note is not a strategy that has served us well to this point in my opinion. You clearly don't share that view but I'd say having the lowest score in the AFL at the minute is in some way not helped by losing all of our forwards. Losing Casboult would be a disastrous continuation of that problem. Complete and total disaster. Keep him and add to him. Don't lose him to FA for FA.

Stringer, both Reiwoldts, Bruce, Franklin, Toby Greene, Fasolo, Zorko, Sam Reid, Lecras, Martin, Tom Lynch, Waite, McCarthy, Peter Wright and yes Jack Silvagni....... all worse goal kicking accuracy than Cas this year according to the AFL website which I believe takes into account all shots at goal not just goals / behinds.

See this is what i don't get.

People justify keeping casboult because there are 'players worse than him'. Does that sound like a model for success??

OK, you listed 17 players (Tom Lynch x2) who all have worse %'s at goal this season. Fair enough. But, is that the exception or the rule?

You know how many of those same 17 players have a career GA% WORSE than Casboult? Two* J. Silvagni and D. Zorko.

*This doesn't include OOB shots. So when taking that into account, you might find that they all are better than Casboult in GA%.

I'm not making a judgement on Casboult based on this season alone. Its over his whole career. Yes, his % has improved a little this year. It has to improve sometimes, it won't be down every year. However, next year? Year after? Can he EVER be relied upon to kick the goals we need of him.

TBH, a lot of Casboults goals come from big marks in the goals square, or close too. His % should be much higher than most.
I think i read he is 13th for marks inside 50. Given that, you'd think he'd have more set shots than all but 12 players in the league.....which would put him close to the pointy end of the goal kickers list if he could convert. Alas, nowhere near it.

Yes, he is the best we've got.
Yes, he tries hard.
No, he is not a player we can rely on to win us games (through goals) and be a focal point clubs fear.

At the end of the day, its the last point that a player playing his position should be judged on, and that how i'm judging him.

He took on Tyrone Vickery.   Never say never!

Yes, good point. Clearly having an extremely bad day at the office when he decided on that one. Reckon Clarkson would be doing a face palm every time he thinks about it.

Honestly, taking everything into consideration, including recent events for both players, I prefer Levi, and by some margin.

See this is what i don't get.

People justify keeping casboult because there are 'players worse than him'. Does that sound like a model for success??

OK, you listed 17 players (Tom Lynch x2) who all have worse %'s at goal this season. Fair enough. But, is that the exception or the rule?

You know how many of those same 17 players have a career GA% WORSE than Casboult? Two* J. Silvagni and D. Zorko.

*This doesn't include OOB shots. So when taking that into account, you might find that they all are better than Casboult in GA%.

I'm not making a judgement on Casboult based on this season alone. Its over his whole career. Yes, his % has improved a little this year. It has to improve sometimes, it won't be down every year. However, next year? Year after? Can he EVER be relied upon to kick the goals we need of him.

TBH, a lot of Casboults goals come from big marks in the goals square, or close too. His % should be much higher than most.
I think i read he is 13th for marks inside 50. Given that, you'd think he'd have more set shots than all but 12 players in the league.....which would put him close to the pointy end of the goal kickers list if he could convert. Alas, nowhere near it.

Yes, he is the best we've got.
Yes, he tries hard.
No, he is not a player we can rely on to win us games (through goals) and be a focal point clubs fear.

At the end of the day, its the last point that a player playing his position should be judged on, and that how i'm judging him.

"See this is what I don't get"... is a logical argument that is based on fact but doesn't fit your bias against one of our players. Tigers supporters eat their own at the drop of a hat - you should switch. Seriously switch.

Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.

The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.

The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.

The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.

Why are we still crap?

Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.

The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.

The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.

The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.

Why are we still crap?

Because they're still kids ;)

Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.

The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.

The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.

The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.

Why are we still crap?

Ball use.

And let's be honest ome or both of Murphy and Gibbs go missing far more than they turn up.... and our midfield depth remains ordinary.....

Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.

The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.

The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.

The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.

Why are we still crap?

Malcom Blight said all you have to do is kick more goals than the opposition and you win.
Pretty simple, unfortunately we struggle in that department.

Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.

The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.

The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.

The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.

Why are we still crap?

Plus add in probably the best defensive structure in the comp and a respected coaching team, its now clear we are very close to being a force if we can fill a few important gaps. 

Amazing transformation considering we are not even 2 years into what most thought (including me) would be at least 4 years of pain.

What we are witnessing with our kids development is what I was praying we would see end of next year but most likely in 2019. Charlie, SOJ, Marchbank and Williamson in particular are playing like they are 60 - 80 game footballers not first and second year players.

Thought the marque player talk was premature for this trade period but not anymore. I would go hard after Kelly and Hopper considering where I think we are now at. We cant miss the boat on Kelly as I haven't heard many A grade mids that will be available the following trade period so hopefully we pounce.

Nab 2 strong trades, manage to keep Gibbs, get another season into Cunningham, Fisher, SPS, McCreadie and hopefully McKay gets going and watch out.    

I'm rapt with our clubs direction and progress and reckon someone like Kelly would see what we are all seeing which puts us in a much stronger position.

 

We sit 9th for points conceded - how exactly is this the best defensive structure in the comp ?

Bolton may yet turn out to be the best AFL coach ever, but if nothing else, at this point in time, he's a master of spin.

Kreuz and Murphy named in team of the week R16.

Congratulations ;D

Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.

The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.

The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.

The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.

Why are we still crap?

1. No Ratts and no Judd for starters, plus many of the supporting cast all gone.
2. A forward line that can't score
3. A midfield that provides limited supply to our forwards
4. Game plan focused on defense
5. A lot of youth

Either our senior players are overrated, our kids are overrated or both are.

Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.

The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.

The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.

The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.

Why are we still crap?

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

FWIW, for the season thus far we have 695 inside 50's. Only Brisbane (694) is worse.

Yet, they average almost 3 more scoring shots a game compared to us.

So is it their mids delivering the ball to their forwards better?
Or it their forwards making better use of the delivery?

Looking at marks inside 50 actually shows that we average almost 3 more marks inside 50 a game compared to the lions.

So our forwards are marking the ball 3 times more a match inside 50, but overall we are having 3 shots less a game at goal?

Does that sound like a midfield problem or a forwardline problem?
FYI, our overall disposal efficiency is higher than the lions, despite us being last in handballs (an easier skill to execute).

Our goal accuracy is worse though, not surprisingly. But that doesn't account for the lack of scoring shots by comparison.

In short...
We are getting the ball inside 50 the same amount as the lions.
We are using the ball better with a higher disposal efficiency than the lions.
We are marking it inside 50 more than the lions.
We are kicking at goal worse than the lions.
We are having less scoring shots a game than the lions.

Why am i using the lions? Because they are on a par with us for inside 50's so it makes all the other stats comparing apples with apples. Also in a similar position ladder wise.

Remind me again of where some people think the problem is?

"See this is what I don't get"... is a logical argument that is based on fact but doesn't fit your bias against one of our players. Tigers supporters eat their own at the drop of a hat - you should switch. Seriously switch.

Saints supporters celebrate mediocrity. Go support them.

Either our senior players are overrated, our kids are overrated or both are.

Or some supporters can't see the forest for the trees.......

Anyone that thinks we are not well ahead of where we should be has no clue.

We were a basket case 18 months ago. Sure we have holes BUT remember the sentence I just typed - we were a basket case 18 months ago.

Far from that today despite sitting near the bottom of the ladder.

Not sure what the club needs to do to please some so called supporters.

Or some supporters can't see the forest for the trees.......

Anyone that thinks we are not well ahead of where we should be has no clue.

We were a basket case 18 months ago. Sure we have holes BUT remember the sentence I just typed - we were a basket case 18 months ago.

Far from that today despite sitting near the bottom of the ladder.

Not sure what the club needs to do to please some so called supporters.

So we are ahead of where we thought we might be? Good. Nobody has said otherwise.

Does that mean we stop trying to improve?
Does that mean we stop trying to fill areas that we are deficient in?
Does that mean we sit back, crack a beer and wait?

Last time we thought we had all our holes filled with kids it was Lucas, Watson, Mitchell and McCarthy.

Still trying to fill those holes today.

Our forwardline was our biggest problem last year. What did we do to fix it in the off-season? Delisted Everitt and picked up Kerr. Not sure that is going to win us any flags.
What happens if McKay doesn't fill a role we desperately need him too? We need to wait another few years until the next, currently undrafted, kid comes on?

We need to be forward thinking and not content with where we are now.

Saints supporters celebrate mediocrity. Go support them.

touché

Or some supporters can't see the forest for the trees.......

Anyone that thinks we are not well ahead of where we should be has no clue.

We were a basket case 18 months ago. Sure we have holes BUT remember the sentence I just typed - we were a basket case 18 months ago.

Far from that today despite sitting near the bottom of the ladder.

Not sure what the club needs to do to please some so called supporters.

We're well ahead in 16th place LMAO.

So we are ahead of where we thought we might be? Good. Nobody has said otherwise.

Does that mean we stop trying to improve?
Does that mean we stop trying to fill areas that we are deficient in?
Does that mean we sit back, crack a beer and wait?

Last time we thought we had all our holes filled with kids it was Lucas, Watson, Mitchell and McCarthy.

Still trying to fill those holes today.

Our forwardline was our biggest problem last year. What did we do to fix it in the off-season? Delisted Everitt and picked up Kerr. Not sure that is going to win us any flags.
What happens if McKay doesn't fill a role we desperately need him too? We need to wait another few years until the next, currently undrafted, kid comes on?

We need to be forward thinking and not content with where we are now.

Did I say I was content ? Did I say I didn't want them to try?  ::)
All I said was we are better placed then i thought we would be and I'm very pleased with the direction we are headed.
Agree and even said it we have holes to fill but who doesn't expect that to be the case 18months from being a basket case.

We have both a fair amount of potential and a fair amount of deadwood on the list - most of the potential needs to be realized, and most of the deadwood needs to be replaced with something better, then we'll be going somewhere worthwhile.

Until then, we're just waiting and hoping

Speaking of which, Simmo's effort from 40 metres yesterday was pretty average.

True, if he's doing that seven years from now we'll be pretty pissed off! ;)

"See this is what I don't get"... is a logical argument that is based on fact but doesn't fit your bias against one of our players. Tigers supporters eat their own at the drop of a hat - you should switch. Seriously switch.

Reality is that Casboult is better, but his better is still well below par.

Opposition clubs would let him have the pill in preference to any other player on our list, are they picking on him too?

His one trick is contested marking, but it's worthless as a trick alone, like Warnock's tap work.

You can only go to the well so many times before it runs dry!

Did I say I was content ? Did I say I didn't want them to try?  ::)
All I said was we are better placed then i thought we would be and I'm very pleased with the direction we are headed.
Agree and even said it we have holes to fill but who doesn't expect that to be the case 18months from being a basket case.

So i'm the bad guy for pointing out, and trying to fill the holes we have?
Does that mean pointing out the shortcomings of our list, and obviously the players on it, make me 'anti-carlton' for doing so?

A lot of people seem content where we are at. (not specifically you)
Others, like myself, are trying to ensure that we push harder than ever before to make that extra step.

Its easy for a club to get off the bottom of the ladder.
Its extremely difficult for that club to be a genuine contendor soon after.

The work is far from done. Ahead of schedule? Perhaps. Personally i think a lot of people thought we'd be higher up the ladder by now. I used to get shouted down for suggesting this year would be a holding pattern of sorts in terms of ladder position. It's all tracking along nicely as expected IMO.

We're well ahead in 16th place LMAO.

Watched any games??  Its not about ladder position, its about the players playing with a bit of ticker and the kids showing they WILL be good.  A few losses by a kick, turn into wins by a kick, and we are in the 8.  Ladder position is pretty much irrelevant this year.

Our forwardline was our biggest problem last year. What did we do to fix it in the off-season? Delisted Everitt and picked up Kerr. Not sure that is going to win us any flags.
What happens if McKay doesn't fill a role we desperately need him too? We need to wait another few years until the next, currently undrafted, kid comes on?

Agreed 100%, fwd line is a massive issue and we didnt do much about it.  But I dont think it is that simple.  What should they have done?  Short of a Tom-Boyd-like offer, or taking a KPP in the draft with the first pick (and missing out on Sammo) there is really no short term fix.  Last thing we would want to do is offer contracts to Aaron Edwards, James Steward or Nathan Vardy - which would have been short term fixes, but really just added list cloggers.

Maybe they have a plan for '18 (incl Ben S)??

It's pretty easy to make negative calls on 1st year players, but I've watched enough NBs to know Kerr and McKay are already looking capable and would be "in addition to" the likes of C.Curnow, SoJ and even Cripps!(Who was just starting to look damaging before getting injured.)

For me the ideal setup for this lot is to have Casboult well up field clunking marks and launching 60m kicks to F50 hot zones that the likes of Kerr, McKay, C.Curnow and SoJ can go to town leaving others to crumb.

Watched any games??  Its not about ladder position, its about the players playing with a bit of ticker and the kids showing they WILL be good.  A few losses by a kick, turn into wins by a kick, and we are in the 8.  Ladder position is pretty much irrelevant this year.

Well it actually is about ladder position, that's the whole point.

For real?
All of the above is presumably why his manager accepted a one year deal from Carlton this season, because other clubs were beating his door down.

You can't even bother arguing when people state that meat is highly regarded by all these clubs, because as the premier contested marking machine in the comp last year, he accepted a deal for 1 year at only about 280-300k. That shows no matter what how high he was regarded in the competition last year. Now he could do a Jones and turn it around and clubs will clamour for his services, but that doesn't change where he has been historically and what he has achieved historically and how 'highly' that has been regarded both within Carlton and outside of it.

Because with the difference in what he was after (suggested as 4 years at 500k) and what we apparently payed 280-300k over 1, it would have been VERY EASY for another club to come in and entice him away.
Oh... and we were apparently paying 95% of our cap when we payed him that.. So that speaks volumes.


Now, that aside. He was pretty great in the game against the Dees I thought. His contested marking was through the roof (his 2nd most contested marks in a game) as he was getting to so many contests. Even his kicking I forgave because his shots were from distance and that is fine, it is his 30m dollies that kill me.

I think Cas has genuinely played 2-3 good games recently as well as a couple of average and 1 horrible that I can think of. That is better consistency than in previous years and at the moment, I think clubs would be having a little look again. If he keeps up form from Sunday I won't be in any hurry to see him leave, if he reverts back to just taking a couple of marks and shanking his kicks, then he has no place.

We have a promising team in most respects but our front six is woeful and we simply can't score, we are the lowest scoring team in the competition for the third year running excepting Essendon last year when most of their senior team was suspended.
Casboult is the linchpin and the most experienced of our front six and according to some he's a jet worth $500k per year.
I give up.

Casboult is the linchpin and the most experienced of our front six and according to some he's a jet worth $500k per year.
I give up.

$500K or fours years is not realistic, as much as Casboult has improved he's a coach killer, no not just a coach killer the archetypal coach killer! He's far more scattergun than Robinson!

For Carlton he is probably worth more than other clubs, so $400k for two years is a good offer.

As a coach of another club to take Casboult on, with all his associated risks, you'd have to be the safest most confident coach in the AFL with crapeloads of TPP to burn and nobody to answer to!

At the other extreme, someone like Buckley could sign him if he wants out, because just after the deal was done they'd be giving Buckley the sack!

We have a promising team in most respects but our front six is woeful and we simply can't score, we are the lowest scoring team in the competition for the third year running excepting Essendon last year when most of their senior team was suspended.
Casboult is the linchpin and the most experienced of our front six and according to some he's a jet worth $500k per year.
I give up.

Keep repeating myself but we cant get the ball down to our forward 50 enough.......and when we do it isnt exactly silver service for Casboult and crew either...

$500K or fours years is not realistic, as much as Casboult has improved he's a coach killer, no not just a coach killer the archetypal coach killer! He's far more scattergun than Robinson!

For Carlton he is probably worth more than other clubs, so $400k for two years is a good offer.

As a coach of another club to take Casboult on, with all his associated risks, you'd have to be the safest most confident coach in the AFL with crapeloads of TPP to burn and nobody to answer to!

At the other extreme, someone like Buckley could sign him if he wants out, because just after the deal was done they'd be giving Buckley the sack!

Two years is never enough when other clubs make offers...they always offer a bit more money but the kicker is usually the extra year/s.
Agree 500k is probably too much and I'd value Casboult at 425K max....

Keep repeating myself but we cant get the ball down to our forward 50 enough.......and when we do it isnt exactly silver service for Casboult and crew either...

Bring on the hard as iron, fast, hard running mids, flankers and wingmen!

Rumor is Whitfield is available and open to offers, wants home to Melbourne but The Aints or Dawks is his preferred?

Bring on the hard as iron, fast, hard running mids, flankers and wingmen!

Rumor is Whitfield is available and open to offers, wants home to Melbourne but The Aints or Dawks is his preferred?

Prefer Kelly if I am paying big big dollars but Whitfield would give us some class coming off a wing....

we've let many good forwards go in the last few years because of the things they can't do (Betts couldn't kick goals in big games - apparently...), Fev couldn't keep his doodle in his pants, or his manners under control, Jeffy was too soft, etc...

How about we think about what Cas can do.  He can be 2nd ruck, he can kick a goal and a bit a game, and he can take BIG contested marks up the field.

So - forget his name is Levi, and ask what you'd pay for a bloke who can do all that?  And don't mention the misses, everybody misses now and then, and his misses are already accounted for in his goal and a bit a game.

You'd pay good money for all that, because they're a little bit rare.  Which teams have someone who does that role who is better than Cas?  I'm sure there's a few (Lobb/Westhoff), and I bet they're on pretty good coin.  Cas does all that, and he isn't as good as them, so he won't be paid as much as them.  But he's gotta be worth something half decent.

I'm not saying pay him too much, just pay him what he's worth, and I don't have a clue what that number is, but the club will know.  I'd hate to see another leading goal kicker get sent packing when we've got nothing better to replace him with.  Especially if it's over $50K or so.

Jenkins is a similar player....less talented in the air IMO than Casboult, less talented as a ruckman IMO but the one virtue that makes him very valuable is his straight kicking....maybe has the better ground skills as well....media had the money for Jenkins at around 600k per season when he re-signed for the Crows.
Westhoff has been way underrated, probably not a real comparison with Casboult though...wouldnt be too many pick 71 players at 200cm who can play on a Wing, as well as KP Forward and pinch hit in the ruck.. 213 games with 258 goals and has decent skills, probably hasnt been on much over 400K either IMO given how Port structure their list management.
Wouldnt mind picking up a Westhoff at pick 71 this draft....

I'm saying that if Levi gets any offers let him go, and if he doesn't cut him, we won't go anywhere relying on him so cut our losses.
Necessity is the mother of invention and someone else will get the chance, someone who can kick and isn't a witches hat when the ball hits the ground.

one thing, blokes like Kruddler (I presume you're a bloke) fail to think about is that Levi has only played 80 odd games thus far, he's growing (into the role still).

Then there's the old mantra 'big/tall guys take longer'.

He's 201cm ffs. Taller than Special K, or very same same.

Trade him at our peril. For what a 3rd round spec on a kid?

That's dumb 101.

one thing, blokes like Kruddler (I presume you're a bloke) fail to think about is that Levi has only played 80 odd games thus far, he's growing (into the role still).

Then there's the old mantra 'big/tall guys take longer'.

He's 201cm ffs. Taller than Special K, or very same same.

Trade him at our peril. For what a 3rd round spec on a kid?

That's dumb 101.

How many games do we give him?

100? 150? By the time he gets that far he'll have to retire.

He's been on an afl list for 7 years now. He weighed in close to 100kg when he was drafted. He's been a monster who couldn't kick since day 1. Now he's lost his puppy fat, got some definition and improved his tank....but he still can't kick.

Big blokes take longer, sure, if they haven't got it after 7 years, they ain't going to get it.

I'm not saying drop him, never to return. I'm saying plan for the future without him ASAP. He isn't good enough to be relied upon and the sooner we find a replacement the better off we'll be.

How many games do we give him?

100? 150? By the time he gets that far he'll have to retire.

He's been on an afl list for 7 years now. He weighed in close to 100kg when he was drafted. He's been a monster who couldn't kick since day 1. Now he's lost his puppy fat, got some definition and improved his tank....but he still can't kick.

Big blokes take longer, sure, if they haven't got it after 7 years, they ain't going to get it.

I'm not saying drop him, never to return. I'm saying plan for the future without him ASAP. He isn't good enough to be relied upon and the sooner we find a replacement the better off we'll be.

Our match committee thinks otherwise and I tend to go along with their thinking when it comes to whether players are good enough  :)

The Hun did a piece on this year's best and worst set shots.  Casboult didn't make the best ten but he didn't make the worst ten either.  That honour went to Stringer, McCarthy, Fasolo, Franklin, Castagna, Hipwood, Lynch, Darling, Daniher and Moore.  I wouldn't mind any of that lot in Navy Blue.

Our match committee thinks otherwise and I tend to go along with their thinking when it comes to whether players are good enough  :)

The Hun did a piece on this year's best and worst set shots.  Casboult didn't make the best ten but he didn't make the worst ten either.  That honour went to Stringer, McCarthy, Fasolo, Franklin, Castagna, Hipwood, Lynch, Darling, Daniher and Moore.  I wouldn't mind any of that lot in Navy Blue.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/where-does-your-club-rank-on-the-key-goalkicking-stats-for-the-2017-afl-season/news-story/8185c071db85174c9099b60ecbd02475

If you hit the paywall, do a google search for "herald sun best worst set shots."

Cas is currently sitting on 23.13, but I can't find how many shots he's had.

Re: R16 Us v Dees.
I just received an email advising I've won the Match Day Experience Raffle. I hope its not a hoax - probably not, but did cross my mind :-[
Evidently it's a match worn signed guernsey.
I hope they made a few dollars on the day. I believe there was a good crowd.
Me  ;D ;D ;D grinning from ear to ear.

Our match committee thinks otherwise and I tend to go along with their thinking when it comes to whether players are good enough  :)

The Hun did a piece on this year's best and worst set shots.  Casboult didn't make the best ten but he didn't make the worst ten either.  That honour went to Stringer, McCarthy, Fasolo, Franklin, Castagna, Hipwood, Lynch, Darling, Daniher and Moore.  I wouldn't mind any of that lot in Navy Blue.

It seems, you, and others, are misunderstanding me.

The match committee picks players to play games each and every week. They, obviously, are picking casboult.

I too would pick him currently, because we have nobody else.

HOWEVER, long term, i don't want to have to pick casboult because i don't think we can rely on him to be a key target. He is simply not good enough. Yes, he is the best we have, but he is the best of a bad (underdeveloped) bunch.

It seems, you, and others, are misunderstanding me.

The match committee picks players to play games each and every week. They, obviously, are picking casboult.

I too would pick him currently, because we have nobody else.

HOWEVER, long term, i don't want to have to pick casboult because i don't think we can rely on him to be a key target. He is simply not good enough. Yes, he is the best we have, but he is the best of a bad (underdeveloped) bunch.

The only reason our MC will stop picking Casboult in the next couple of years will be because some other MC will be picking him ... and I hope that's not the case.  I'm looking forward to watching him play alongside Charlie and another tall, be it McKay, Kerr or someone else.