Next Saturday we play North in Hobart. They are playing better than we are at the moment.
Next Saturday we play North in Hobart. They are playing better than we are at the moment.
The womens team are playing better than we are at the moment....and they finished last!
Non-contributors - time for the VFL drop:
• Polson – not ready for the big time yet
• Lamb – not a good enough player to lose focus by pushing and shoving all match
• Mullett – good impression of the invisible man
Disappointing so far:
• Kennedy – looks slow of foot and hand – hopefully the ankle injury is a factor
• Weitering – stuffed around by the match committee last year and this
• Jones + Plowman – struggling to cope with unpressured movement into the forward line
Skilled players but can we carry this many?
• Fisher – best of this group so far this season
• SPS – brilliant skills but doesn’t work hard enough without the ball
• Garlett – looks the goods but needs to contribute more
• Dow – will be good but can we carry this many?
Everything old is new again.
Too much left to too few and a few kids still finding their feet bringing intermittent competitiveness to the table.
We are playing a few men down every week and whilst that happens we won't win many.
I watch a quarter and a half of the VFL game and had seen more than enough.
Nobody trying to bang down the door to demand senior selection. >:(
Kerridge, Graham and Silvagni are showing us what we already know about them and should be considered for senior selection.
Phillips will probably be first in line if Kreuzer misses again - Rowe is an established option when he is match fit again.
I like the way O'Brien and De Koning move so they are worth observing for further development.
I watch a quarter and a half of the VFL game and had seen more than enough.
Nobody trying to bang down the door to demand senior selection. >:(
Kerridge, Graham and Silvagni are showing us what we already know about them and should be considered for senior selection.
Phillips will probably be first in line if Kreuzer misses again - Rowe is an established option when he is match fit again.
I like the way O'Brien and De Koning move so they are worth observing for further development.
I've watched 3 quarters of the VFL game so far... I must be a masochist. Beyond woeful.
Friday night wasn't the unmitigated disaster that some are painting it as, in fact none of our three losses have been without some positives.
If we focus for four quarters in Tassie next Saturday we can win, and a win or two can change things around very quickly.
I'd get Silvagni back in the team if only for his work rate, and that he can hit the scoreboard which Lamb struggles to do, if Marchbank doesn't come up I'd throw Kerridge in for a bit of grunt.
We have enough tall defenders for North, Weitering can take Brown and Jones can have Waite.
Friday night wasn't the unmitigated disaster that some are painting it as, in fact none of our three losses have been without some positives.
If we focus for four quarters in Tassie next Saturday we can win, and a win or two can change things around very quickly.
I'd get Silvagni back in the team if only for his work rate, and that he can hit the scoreboard which Lamb struggles to do, if Marchbank doesn't come up I'd throw Kerridge in for a bit of grunt.
We have enough tall defenders for North, Weitering can take Brown and Jones can have Waite.
Brown will kick ten on Weitering......
Non-contributors - time for the VFL drop:
• Polson – not ready for the big time yet
• Lamb – not a good enough player to lose focus by pushing and shoving all match
• Mullett – good impression of the invisible man
Disappointing so far:
• Kennedy – looks slow of foot and hand – hopefully the ankle injury is a factor
• Weitering – stuffed around by the match committee last year and this
• Jones + Plowman – struggling to cope with unpressured movement into the forward line
Skilled players but can we carry this many?
• Fisher – best of this group so far this season
• SPS – brilliant skills but doesn’t work hard enough without the ball
• Garlett – looks the goods but needs to contribute more
• Dow – will be good but can we carry this many?
Agree with all of that - unfortunately the alternatives are even worse than the guys listed above, perhaps with the exception of Phillips, OBrien and Silvagni, until Pickett, Williamson and Lang return from injury in a months time.
I've watched 3 quarters of the VFL game so far... I must be a masochist. Beyond woeful.
Masochist indeed - 4 quarters last night plus one and a half today was my limit.
How are things in Author's Retreat?
Friday night wasn't the unmitigated disaster that some are painting it as, in fact none of our three losses have been without some positives......................................................
Agree.
Masochist indeed - 4 quarters last night plus one and a half today was my limit.
How are things in Author's Retreat?
Very good, thank you Squire. I am planning to make the loooong trek to a few NBs games... will let you know, be good to catch-up. All good in your world I hope. Cheers...
Very good, thank you Squire. I am planning to make the loooong trek to a few NBs games... will let you know, be good to catch-up. All good in your world I hope. Cheers...
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Brown will kick ten on Weitering......
Add 8 from Waite on Jones and we may have an issue or two.
We have a big problem coming next weekend, Norp's on-ball division is considerably deeper and stronger than the Collingwood we played Friday night.
The only thing in our favour may be that Norp have a little less leg speed than the Pies, but then again in the wash-up it appears we are in the same boat, a slow boat!
We have a big problem coming next weekend, Norp's on-ball division is considerably deeper and stronger than the Collingwood we played Friday night.
The only thing in our favour may be that Norp have a little less leg speed than the Pies, but then again in the wash-up it appears we are in the same boat, a slow boat!
Really?
North's midfield is bloody ordinary imo.
We have a big problem coming next weekend, Norp's on-ball division is considerably deeper and stronger than the Collingwood we played Friday night.
The only thing in our favour may be that Norp have a little less leg speed than the Pies, but then again in the wash-up it appears we are in the same boat, a slow boat!
Therefore Graham and / or Kerridge could be in the mix. Is Graham better or worse than the North No. 7or 8 midfield rotation??
Really?
North's midfield is bloody ordinary imo.
Opinion means squat!
Around stoppages or bounces they've managed to smash the Aints and squared with Melbourne in 2 of the first 3 rounds! They were smashed against GC just like we were for much the same reasons as us! But that doesn't make us equal, our kids are skinnies compared to Norps midfield crew and expect Scott to have the likes of Ziebell worded up to take full advantage of that.
Therefore Graham and / or Kerridge could be in the mix. Is Graham better or worse than the North No. 7or 8 midfield rotation??
That may well make sense, but they just served up a 30 goal defeat, so I'm not sure where we go after that!
Usually, a result like that is a sign of some very bad sh1te going down behind the scenes, and for us it's happened in round one! :o
Ziebell has form against us. If he snipes any of our blokes he must be dealt with.
Ziebell has form against us. If he snipes any of our blokes he must be dealt with.
Who ProfE, who?
Who ProfE, who?
Crippa has played alot angrier this year, he has been the first to get right in the grill of those who snipe/bump/punch etc. our blokes.
Crippa has played alot angrier this year, he has been the first to get right in the grill of those who snipe/bump/punch etc. our blokes.
We lose something when he's doing the role of the angry defender, at other clubs it would be a mongrel tagger type doing this stuff, but other than Lamb we don't have a defensive style angry forward or midfielder who seems capable.
I think we are really missing the spirit shown last season by the likes of Williamson and Macreadie, fancy that, combined with an geriatric like ACoS some kids come in the team and set the tone!
Crippa has played alot angrier this year, he has been the first to get right in the grill of those who snipe/bump/punch etc. our blokes.
Agree, I dont mind it but he needs to get a bit smarter and learn how to give it but not give away free kicks...he gets a bit of treatment at the stoppages and also at marking contests and i reckon he has had enough of the manhandling with no free kicks awarded...
Doggies look like putting down the Drug cheats.
That probably puts us on the bottom rung.
I hope that generates some motivation for the trip across the Tasman :-\
Brother Elwood, we have been deadset raped by the umpiring this season: watched the tape vs the filth and our blokes are getting frustrated, and I can see why. Some peanut jumps two seconds early and Jones gets done for tunnelling, yet our blokes get taken out under the ball at every contest..... Side bottom gets tackled, throws it away with impunity, we get held for one microsecond and we get done... Surely our luck has to turn in this area, it can't be this bad all season, surely?
Brother Elwood, we have been deadset raped by the umpiring this season: watched the tape vs the filth and our blokes are getting frustrated, and I can see why. Some peanut jumps two seconds early and Jones gets done for tunnelling, yet our blokes get taken out under the ball at every contest..... Side bottom gets tackled, throws it away with impunity, we get held for one microsecond and we get done... Surely our luck has to turn in this area, it can't be this bad all season, surely?
Is there any team you support that isn't raped, stooged, robbed, ripped off, or otherwise treated unfairly ? Carlton, Australian Cricket team, Vic cricket team.........
Brother Elwood, we have been deadset raped by the umpiring this season: watched the tape vs the filth and our blokes are getting frustrated, and I can see why. Some peanut jumps two seconds early and Jones gets done for tunnelling, yet our blokes get taken out under the ball at every contest..... Side bottom gets tackled, throws it away with impunity, we get held for one microsecond and we get done... Surely our luck has to turn in this area, it can't be this bad all season, surely?
Its the same in most sports Prof...bottom teams get nothing from the umps unless its the obvious free and opposing star players get looked after ie Sidebottom....he drops the ball and its seen as knocked out of his hands, Polson does same and its holding the ball/incorrect disposal...
Jones seems to highlight his errors by looking ungainly, its easy to pay frees against him for that reason....other players are more subtle...Ben Brown gets a lot of frees his way from what I have seen and that worries me the way Jones is playing and I think he needs to reign in his attacking nature and be a bit more circumspect how he goes about defending.
The frees will even themselves out but as you and I know well its when and where you get them.....when we got all those 50m penalties vs Richmond for encroaching the mark I said to myself this wont last and we will pay for it next game or the one after....
Conspiracy theory time.
The AFL will ensure we beat north.
Too many losses and a young team is bad for business both now and in the future.
Combined with Bolton coaching "at home" and North being ordinary enough and the fact that our uncompetitive period coincided with a quarter of " free kick Collingwood " and I reckon we aren't as bad as advertised.
All that being said, a mate of mine got some VIP tickets into the rooms after the Tigers game. Reckons that there is some internal grief in the playing group. We are certainly displaying those signs currently.
Conspiracy theory time.
The AFL will ensure we beat north.
Too many losses and a young team is bad for business both now and in the future.
Combined with Bolton coaching "at home" and North being ordinary enough and the fact that our uncompetitive period coincided with a quarter of " free kick Collingwood " and I reckon we aren't as bad as advertised.
All that being said, a mate of mine got some VIP tickets into the rooms after the Tigers game. Reckons that there is some internal grief in the playing group. We are certainly displaying those signs currently.
Interesting Thry. I have a sneaking suspicion all is not 100% well.
Conspiracy theory time.
The AFL will ensure we beat north.
Too many losses and a young team is bad for business both now and in the future.
Combined with Bolton coaching "at home" and North being ordinary enough and the fact that our uncompetitive period coincided with a quarter of " free kick Collingwood " and I reckon we aren't as bad as advertised.
All that being said, a mate of mine got some VIP tickets into the rooms after the Tigers game. Reckons that there is some internal grief in the playing group. We are certainly displaying those signs currently.
I'll play devils advocate here. If there wasn't some anger amongst eachother after the game, then they don't have the hunger to play AFL football. If they were 'okay' with losing, i'd be more worried.
Sure, its not ideal that their might be some in-fighting, but there was some in-fighting at Geelong when Gary Ablett Jnr was first there. The playing group told him to pull his finger out....the rest is history.
I'll play devils advocate here. If there wasn't some anger amongst eachother after the game, then they don't have the hunger to play AFL football. If they were 'okay' with losing, i'd be more worried.
Sure, its not ideal that their might be some in-fighting, but there was some in-fighting at Geelong when Gary Ablett Jnr was first there. The playing group told him to pull his finger out....the rest is history.
Quote: I don't know the players but rather than engaging with outsiders after the game some bloke with a moustache turned to the other saying screw this let's get the fork away from this place. End quote.
Grief with other players is fine, flat out not wanting to be there is a bit more of an issue.
We need to get a grip, Collingwood played well and kicked as straight as it's possible to kick and we lost by 4 goals, Matty Wright played his worst game for the club, we had a couple of kids playing their first few games and we lost Marchbank before half time.
Losing sucks but it's only round three, we'll come good sooner rather than later.
I haven't seen any signs of disharmony in the playing group and I take no notice of rumours.
We need to get a grip, Collingwood played well and kicked as straight as it's possible to kick and we lost by 4 goals, Matty Wright played his worst game for the club, we had a couple of kids playing their first few games and we lost Marchbank before half time.
Losing sucks but it's only round three, we'll come good sooner rather than later.
I haven't seen any signs of disharmony in the playing group and I take no notice of rumours.
]I was just about to post something similar. After I realised the sun came up yesterday and today again, I decided I'll take a chill pill and relax. Not suggesting Im happy with the results, nor am I suggesting the players should be happy either. Rather, I gonna wait a week and see if the players can redeem some respect and atone for the 3 losses. Lots of factors at play here, its not as simple as we think.
We need to get a grip, Collingwood played well and kicked as straight as it's possible to kick and we lost by 4 goals, Matty Wright played his worst game for the club, we had a couple of kids playing their first few games and we lost Marchbank before half time.
Losing sucks but it's only round three, we'll come good sooner rather than later.
I haven't seen any signs of disharmony in the playing group and I take no notice of rumours.
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]I was just about to post something similar. After I realised the sun came up yesterday and today again, I decided I'll take a chill pill and relax. Not suggesting Im happy with the results, nor am I suggesting the players should be happy either. Rather, I gonna wait a week and see if the players can redeem some respect and atone for the 3 losses. Lots of factors at play here, its not as simple as we think.
Well I am trying to relax and to just hang on to some hope that our rebuild will deliver the goods in two or three years. I have no expectations for this game and I'll just watch it on AFL Live in miniature and try to be a mere impartial observer. :)
We need to get a grip, Collingwood played well and kicked as straight as it's possible to kick and we lost by 4 goals, Matty Wright played his worst game for the club, we had a couple of kids playing their first few games and we lost Marchbank before half time.
Losing sucks but it's only round three, we'll come good sooner rather than later.
I haven't seen any signs of disharmony in the playing group and I take no notice of rumours.
Yeah, and we conceded 10 goals in a row without even a whimper....
We need to get a grip, Collingwood played well and kicked as straight as it's possible to kick and we lost by 4 goals, Matty Wright played his worst game for the club, we had a couple of kids playing their first few games and we lost Marchbank before half time.
Losing sucks but it's only round three, we'll come good sooner rather than later.
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Agree.
We need to get a grip, Collingwood played well and kicked as straight as it's possible to kick and we lost by 4 goals, Matty Wright played his worst game for the club, we had a couple of kids playing their first few games and we lost Marchbank before half time.
Losing sucks but it's only round three, we'll come good sooner rather than later.
I haven't seen any signs of disharmony in the playing group and I take no notice of rumours.
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Last weekend was about as disappointing and irritating as it can get. However: we had more scoring shots; we played poorly for much of the game and lost by 4 goals; our team structure isn't there yet and we have guys returning soon.
We have a chance this weekend to show something. I hope we can do it.
We are 0-3 and dead last, there have been no positives in the last 2 weeks.
For me it's not about losing to Collingwood or even if we lose to CheatsFC, it the way we conduct ourselves on the field.
I suspect we are playing a more attacking brand because of media pressure, all this 100pt rubbish, but we were closer to wins last season. We regularly scored in the 80 - 90pt range and lost by less than 3 goals, improve on last year by just by 2 or 3 goals and we win 9 or 10 games. The 100pt stuff is irrelevant!
I'm full of admiration for the Crows, they've stuck at their game plan and rubbished the trends and look solid as concrete so far.
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Last weekend was about as disappointing and irritating as it can get. However: we had more scoring shots; we played poorly for much of the game and lost by 4 goals; our team structure isn't there yet and we have guys returning soon.
We have a chance this weekend to show something. I hope we can do it.
More scoring shots , and more I50s too , I think.
Our main problem is in front of goal. We can't kick goals.
Switch things around a bit up there.
We are missing Picket too.
Give Kerr a go. He leads well, can take a mark and can kick straight.
Give Charlie a run on the ball and change him with Cripps at FF.
Anything, but do something unpredictable.
More scoring shots , and more I50s too , I think.
Our main problem is in front of goal. We can't kick goals.
Switch things around a bit up there.
We are missing Picket too.
Give Kerr a go. He leads well, can take a mark and can kick straight.
Give Charlie a run on the ball and change him with Cripps at FF.
Anything, but do something unpredictable.
In fairness to the kids above, they are all you've talked about and the basis of your suggestions.
What do we do about the long term boat anchors?
Yeah, and we conceded 10 goals in a row without even a whimper....
Which was bad, but Collingwood were kicking them from everywhere.
They kicked 16.4 and two of the points were posters, it's almost unheard of.
They had a day out and we were beaten by 4 goals, it wasn't the disaster some supporters think that it was.
We still played in a manner far below basic expectations, let alone the expectations of anybody on this site.
Which was bad, but Collingwood were kicking them from everywhere.
They kicked 16.4 and two of the points were posters, it's almost unheard of.
They had a day out and we were beaten by 4 goals, it wasn't the disaster some supporters think that it was.
Yes, no need to catastrophise.
So you're OK with Friday night then?
I'm in the $@/* that camp, what was dished up was utterly unacceptable.
So you're OK with Friday night then?
I'm in the $@/* that camp, what was dished up was utterly unacceptable.
I'm in the "I understand the growing pains" camp.
Which was bad, but Collingwood were kicking them from everywhere.
They kicked 16.4 and two of the points were posters, it's almost unheard of.
They had a day out and we were beaten by 4 goals, it wasn't the disaster some supporters think that it was.
Collingwood kicked straight because they got their goals with an absolute minimum of pressure, and all their shots ended up being <20m out almost straight in front. They also had enough star forwards returning from injury that they could post a lazy 30 in the 2s the next day....
It all stemmed from the ease with which they could move the ball down the ground, with absolutely no pressure from our forward half/mids whatsoever. Not to mention broken tackles (still a major issue for us).
The second quarter, when all the damage was done, we looked like a school football team. No half-decent AFL team should concede 10 in a row - especially with the ridiculous ease with which the Pies got theirs. The same thing happened in the first quarter against the Suns last week.
It looks to me like there are some significant 'between the ears' issues with our team. We are absolutely crying out for some on-field leadership, and apart from Cripps, there is none.
Which was bad, but Collingwood were kicking them from everywhere.
They kicked 16.4 and two of the points were posters, it's almost unheard of.
They had a day out and we were beaten by 4 goals, it wasn't the disaster some supporters think that it was.
No offence good friend, but herein lies the problem. For years we've been looking for the positives to rationalise a poor showing... we're well trained to tolerate, even accept failure. There's always an excuse for our failure 'the opposition will never kick that straight again', 'it was only one bad quarter', 'we lost so-and-so in the 2nd quarter', 'the umpiring favoured them', 'selection was wrong', 'he's not a good match day coach'... bla bla bla...
Allowing Rottingwood to kick so many unanswered goals speaks to a glaring leadership void - speechless that leaders gave not a yelp, just a whimper. What did our young blokes learn from their leaders (on-field) when the opposition can take total control of a game the way Rottingwood did and the way the Tiggers did in R1? Did our leaders give them direction/inspiration/something? Nuh. What were our leaders thinking as they were chasing dot all over the paddock? Didn't anyone feel inclined to actually do something to change the course of the game or are they so used to failure that they accept defeat??? Does winning mean that little to us? In the 2nd half against Rottingwood we showed we can play strong footy but it obviously took the coaches to give the boys a rocket to wake them up!
We're not sitting on the bottom of the ladder because we're dreadfully unlucky!!! And we're not the youngest side going around... At this very moment the Carlton Football Club is a shambles, seniors surrender meekly and the 2nds, holy cr@p!!! A 130 pt hiding says it all. And we're a football club with just about more 1st round draft picks taking the field than anyone else.
Yes, it can all turn around quickly... which is another line we've been fed week in, week out, month in month out, year in year out.
If you keep repeating the same thing yet expect a different result, well, that's the very definition of stoooopid.
We still played in a manner far below basic expectations, let alone the expectations of anybody on this site.
That is really the core situation, win or lose!
This isn't Rnd 4 2012 or Rnd 3 2014, and I'm sure the current opposition aren't juiced up to the eyeballs, but our last couple of games look very similar to those matches!
I thought booking a weekend in Hobart to watch this game would be a good idea at the time.....*sigh*.......
Allowing Rottingwood to kick so many unanswered goals speaks to a glaring leadership void - speechless that leaders gave not a yelp, just a whimper. What did our young blokes learn from their leaders (on-field) when the opposition can take total control of a game the way Rottingwood did and the way the Tiggers did in R1? Did our leaders give them direction/inspiration/something? Nuh. What were our leaders thinking as they were chasing dot all over the paddock? Didn't anyone feel inclined to actually do something to change the course of the game or are they so used to failure that they accept defeat??? Does winning mean that little to us?
This....it's why I've never liked Murphy as a Captain.
Shame we couldn't have handballed him somewhere when we did the Gibbs' deal. :o
And I agree that even in his twilight years, Marc would be a much better player - for us or another team - if not burdened with the captaincy.
I'm really rather surprised at some of the people on here who are venting. Folks I had pegged as seasoned, sensible types. There are others for whom the whole "I've had a gutful" routine is de rigueur after every loss or poor performance, and from whom such comments are expected.
We are on a completely different path to what has been tried before. If we assume the club has fixed on a 66 game rebuild, we are 47 games into said rebuild. Even the most cursory examination of AFL/VFL history shows that progress is not linear.
I have no idea whether the Bolton/ slow mo method will work. What I'm saying is that it is simply far too early to tell.
I thought booking a weekend in Hobart to watch this game would be a good idea at the time.....*sigh*.......
After rd 1 I booked a trip to Adelaide in rd 7.
No reason to be surprised at all.
Rd 2 was an abject disaster against an ordinary team - one can say ok - had a bad day at the office - young kids, new players, shocking slections...
To back that up in Rd 3 (against an equally ordinary team) with that gutless, pathetic effort for about 40 minutes (the 10 unanswered goals) is unacceptable.
You can sit there and say suck it up fella - it's all part of the journey....
I say BS to that. Someone should be accountable for that garbage. And it was putrid garbage.
Last season we beat Sydney in style and pipped GWS.
Bolts was a teacher once ...so what? Doesn't make him a good coach by default?
If they players aren't understanding or buying into Bolts' mantra - for whatever reason - then Houston we have a problem....
And let's not over complicate things. Footy is:
1. Win ball
2. Use ball (well) and keep off opposition.
3. Kick dat ball through those big 2 sticks.
Against the Pies we were horrible at all three of those things and if you can't get the first part right, the rest becomes irrelevant in any event...
I'm really rather surprised at some of the people on here who are venting. Folks I had pegged as seasoned, sensible types. There are others for whom the whole "I've had a gutful" routine is de rigueur after every loss or poor performance, and from whom such comments are expected.
We are on a completely different path to what has been tried before. If we assume the club has fixed on a 66 game rebuild, we are 47 games into said rebuild. Even the most cursory examination of AFL/VFL history shows that progress is not linear.
I have no idea whether the Bolton/ slow mo method will work. What I'm saying is that it is simply far too early to tell.
It's a perspective thing...
My position has always been that the "rebuild" tag was used to buy time for a club in crisis.
The folks in charge basically said "this is day one!"....so we now get extra time....even though we were already coming off a fairly low base.
So while I've been quite patient and prepared to look for positive signs I'm struggling to be convinced
"The 66 game rebuild" ...does anyone have a direct quote from anyone saying that's the timeline?
If that is indeed the case then 2/3 into it we should be seeing signs of improvement....it's looking doubtful we'll see a lot in the next 20 odd games.
So after 66 we'll have had minimal progress.
Maybe after a 132 things will be different...but there's no guarantees.
Maybe booking all those trips through Carlton travel is the smart thing to do, then they may get the message when you cancel! ;)
After rd 1 I booked a trip to Adelaide in rd 7.
A day trip to Hahndorf will be nice......
We need to get a grip, Collingwood played well and kicked as straight as it's possible to kick and we lost by 4 goals, Matty Wright played his worst game for the club, we had a couple of kids playing their first few games and we lost Marchbank before half time.
Losing sucks but it's only round three, we'll come good sooner rather than later.
I haven't seen any signs of disharmony in the playing group and I take no notice of rumours.
We need to get a grip alright...Collingwood are garbage, wont make finals and more likely end up bottom half......their best forward Elliott was smacking us in the NB's, he didnt even play.
We kicked goals in the second half not because we were great but because they slacked off, they had kicked ten straight , won the game and it was junk time.
Josh Thomas kicked five goals...please...its Josh Thomas who is better known for his off field activities than anything he has done on the field, even he said he was surprised to kick five, thats how easy it was.
It was a pathetic display watching them kick ten goals straight, the coach was lost and inept and the leadership on the ground was non existent...30 odd junk possies a game doesnt qualify you as a leader.
It got so bad the normally cool and collected Cripps got so frustrated he started giving away dumb free kicks and arguing with umpires....
Then to top it off we had to put up with another cliched riddled presser from the coach who refused to admit there is anything wrong and and its all going fine.......
we are holding players to incredibly high standards...its all about synergy.......please....at least we didnt get any green shoot nonsense..
LP called me out on bashing Weitering and not getting stick into other players he named..well here goes..
Mullett...yep great kick but Brad Scott told us why he got booted and yep he was right........no surprises there...delist material.
Kennedy...underdone, coming off an injury and with a sample of two games only I'm prepared to give him more time as I think he will be handy player..
Polson....not up to it, delist candidate..
Lamb...see Polson
SPS...talented but lightly built and needs some better bigger bodies around him so he can do what he does best and thats run and carry the footy creating for others.
Fisher...been good IMO, is having to play like a bigger bodied player and at least when he gets the ball something good usually happens.
Wright...yep poor game, well held but has been one of our best for a while and everyone has a bad game....for what he cost us he has been value plus....
Dow....two games only and we have found out his kicking isnt his strong point but with no leadership, Cripps being held and Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Treloar as your opponents its tough going. The kid just needs a few games in the twos to pick up the pace and learn to steady up a bit when he kicks. JLT series showed he can play but the extra pace and tackle pressure has seen him rushed and delivering poorly.
Weitering...great first season then injury ruined him mentally IMO.....has ranged between ok and poor since and the Collingwood game just reinforced IMO he needs to go back to the NB's and build some form and confidence, his once reliable kicking is terrible and he is uncomfortable taking on KP talls who are aggressive and physical with him.
There was a passage of play down back where Collingwood scored a goal, several of our players went up for the mark/spoil, JW came over the back, he was late, completely mistimed the contest/ball and looked like he either didnt care or was happy to avoid the contest....he looks lost IMO and not enjoying his footy. We can go on pretending but he isnt right....check that footage out, I think even the commentators mentioned it.
He looked like a player trying to give the impression he was trying but wasnt, the Collingwood players gave it to him all day and he couldnt even respond to that......if he plays then he needs ACOS and Rowe in to look after him because he cant look after himself and its sad to watch.
Yes he gets more attention because we have more invested in him...
I will give us one more chance vs Nth and say we can win but only on the basis that players like Cripps, Simpson, Kruezer, Wright etc will lift and drag us over the line and because Nth are equally as flakey as we are .
I will give usone more chance vs Nth and say we can win but only on the basis that players like Cripps, Simpson, Kruezer, Wright etc will lift and drag us over the line and because Nth are equally as flakey as we are .
Agreed, but prior to Friday night many thought much the same about the Filth.
Norp have flogged a couple of higher rated mid-fields that are built like brick craphouses compared to our lot of skinnies!
They are their pudding face coach will be out to make a statement about being on prime time coverage and I expect them to be more motivated than the filth not less.
We look like a team that is ripe for the kicking provided you don't get ahead of yourself!
Agreed, but prior to Friday night many thought much the same about the Filth.
Norp have flogged a couple of higher rated mid-fields that are built like brick craphouses compared to our lot of skinnies!
They are their pudding face coach will be out to make a statement about being on prime time coverage and I expect them to be more motivated than the filth not less.
We look like a team that is ripe for the kicking provided you don't get ahead of yourself!
North are not as aggressive or in your face as many other teams....I think Kruezer will find Goldstein more to his liking than the mobile Grundy and Cripps wont have quality like Pendlebury breathing down his neck at the clearances. Dow can face off vs LDU and I think Kennedy and Curnow can do the job on Ziebell and Higgins...
More of an even game IMO and I think Cripps will have a big afternoon...
North are not as aggressive or in your face as many other teams....I think Kruezer will find Goldstein more to his liking than the mobile Grundy and Cripps wont have quality like Pendlebury breathing down his neck at the clearances. Dow can face off vs LDU and I think Kennedy and Curnow can do the job on Ziebell and Higgins...
More of an even game IMO and I think Cripps will have a big afternoon...
Well, for those not going we get to watch it all on prime time Sat night down to the wire, either that or it'll be early to bed for a change! ;D
It's a perspective thing...
My position has always been that the "rebuild" tag was used to buy time for a club in crisis.
The folks in charge basically said "this is day one!"....so we now get extra time....even though we were already coming off a fairly low base.
So while I've been quite patient and prepared to look for positive signs I'm struggling to be convinced
"The 66 game rebuild" ...does anyone have a direct quote from anyone saying that's the timeline?
If that is indeed the case then 2/3 into it we should be seeing signs of improvement....it's looking doubtful we'll see a lot in the next 20 odd games.
So after 66 we'll have had minimal progress.
Maybe after a 132 things will be different...but there's no guarantees.
There is some conjecture as to the exact number. Some reports I have read state it was an internal memo from SOS that leaked out. Others say Trigg announced it at a GM. My personal opinion is that the 66 figure is a guide only. SOS wanted 3 drafts and has made an entire AFL list worth of changes. Some teething problems are bound to occur while the troops get games together and whilst the youngsters grow and mature.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-draft-2017-carlton-completes-phase-one-of-list-rebuild-following-third-draft-under-stephen-silvagni/news-story/61d615347d55501a007266820d6e510e
There'a also a HS article which I can't access from June 30th 2015 by Jon Anderson (interview with SOS), which also gives some insights.
For those saying that we've been through this before my answer is that we haven't.
This is a ground up rebuild, not the short term, knee jerk garbage that we've fallen for in the past.
We need to build a core because due to our hopeless recruiting and list management in the past decade we don't have one, it will take more than two or three years and there will be some bad results and rough patches along the way.
It not long ago that we traded out Kennedy and pick 3 for Judd, traded pick 21 for Warnock and pick 7 for Jaksch, we've finally realised that those types of decisions only led us up a dry gully but we're paying the price for them now and there's no quick fix.
For those saying that we've been through this before my answer is that we haven't.
This is a ground up rebuild, not the short term, knee jerk garbage that we've fallen for in the past.
We need to build a core because due to our hopeless recruiting and list management in the past decade we don't have one, it will take more than two or three years and there will be some bad results and rough patches along the way.
It not long ago that we traded out Kennedy and pick 3 for Judd, traded pick 21 for Warnock and pick 7 for Jaksch, we've finally realised that those types of decisions only led us up a dry gully but we're paying the price for them now and there's no quick fix.
Encore une fois je suis d'accord.
Doggies look like putting down the Drug cheats.
That probably puts us on the bottom rung.
I hope that generates some motivation for the trip across the Tasman :-\
Damn....I've got tickets.....but I'm not going to New Zealand to watch 'em !
;)
cheers
Just noticed this will be on 7Mate fte. At least I won't have to watch the miniaturised version on AFL Live App.
Just noticed this will be on 7Mate fte. At least I won't have to watch the miniaturised version on AFL Live App.
You might be better off watching the Live App!
Is there any correlation between the size of the screen and the size of the frustration?
Perhaps take the little screen, and sit watching in a very tight, dark and sound proof corner somewhere out of sight and sound of family or friends!
My wife had the big screen fired up last Friday, but she tells me she spent the last 2-1/2 Qtrs just glancing at it between games of solitaire on her phone! So depressing, and on a Friday night!
Could be worse, she could have been at "The G" and suffering with everybody else! Think of the poor bastards traveling to Hobart!
Could be worse, she could have been at "The G" and suffering with everybody else! Think of the poor bastards traveling to Hobart!
My advice, head to the bars & restaurants around North Hobart or Salamanca & pretend there's no footy game on .......I might be doing that myself ....& live here !
My advice, head to the bars & restaurants around North Hobart or Salamanca & pretend there's no footy game on .......I might be doing that myself ....& live here !
Hmm, fresh seafood and frothies by the harbor, or watching Carlton get smashed by Pudding Face II and his Cohorts across the river!
Sh1te, if only it was that easy!
It's sort of what I did on Friday night. Had an event with royalty and left my phone in n the hotel room so I wouldn't be tempted to check a score
Damn....I've got tickets.....but I'm not going to New Zealand to watch 'em !
;)
cheers
Right you are malo :-[
Bass Strait.... miles away wasn't I ;D
Along the way rebuilds seems to have one really bad year at some point before rewriting the wrong the next year.
Hmm, fresh seafood and frothies by the harbor, or watching Carlton get smashed by Pudding Face II and his Cohorts across the river!
Sh1te, if only it was that easy!
Hmm, yes.......I couldn't really look myself in the face and call myself a supporter if I pulled the pin could I.
We need guys like Rowe back asap to help spread the load in regards to delivering the messages.
With due respect to Sam if our future success hinges on him playing in the seniors we are in more trouble than I thought.
With due respect to Sam if our future success hinges on him playing in the seniors we are in more trouble than I thought.
It's only a temporary thing B4L, I don't think anyone is suggesting that the kids won't take over his role in the near future! It's about finding the right balance between development and performance.
It's only a temporary thing B4L, I don't think anyone is suggesting that the kids won't take over his role in the near future! It's about finding the right balance between development and performance.
Selecting him would only be denying a young bloke experience in my opinion, I don't see what benefit it would be.
None of our tall defenders have played anywhere near 100 games apart from Jones and he's still a fair way off as well, we won't see the best of them for another year or two.
For a bit of perspective, Rance has played 180.
If anyone doubts the older experienced heads showing the way simply look at a family, any family with two kids or greater and note how much faster the youngest kids develope in comparison to the eldest.
In general but never always, have you ever watched Peaky Blinders, Arthur Shelby Snr was hardly a role model, and Thomas ran the family ahead of Arthur Jnr!
If we win this weekend, we will rocket up the ladder! ;D
The Ox is slow.................
So, anyway....as this game is a home game for me.....anyone else coming over, or attending from down this way ? Happy to put a face to a logon & meet up for a beer at the Clarence Hotel beforehand......along with about a thousand others :D
cheers
So, anyway....as this game is a home game for me.....anyone else coming over, or attending from down this way ? Happy to put a face to a logon & meet up for a beer at the Clarence Hotel beforehand......along with about a thousand others :D
cheers
Tempting offer Malo, very tempting... love Tassie. But just too much work in front of me at the moment. Cheers mate...
We're out of luck having to play Richmond first up now they're the best team around. The boy's were looking good after the GC camp and ready to play.
Smash, we got some key injuries and a wild, no hangover, Richmond together with a half learnt game plan and coaches still finding their way.
Confidence can be a mean beast but when its shattered it can be equally as daunting.
What that means against Norf? Its gunna get ugly.
We're out of luck having to play Richmond first up now they're the best team around. The boy's were looking good after the GC camp and ready to play.
Smash, we got some key injuries and a wild, no hangover, Richmond together with a half learnt game plan and coaches still finding their way.
Confidence can be a mean beast but when its shattered it can be equally as daunting.
What that means against Norf? Its gunna get ugly.
Yes, a win is important. Mentally could change alot. Even an ugly win is good for the mindset. Remember 2 years ago when we lost our first 4 then had a god ugly win against fellow cellar dweller Freo. Followed that with a god ugly win against Essendon. What it gave us was some belief and we went on to win 4 of the next 5 after that including avery convincing win over Geelong. More often than not an ugly win does more for you and your belief than a highly honourable loss.
Yes, a win is important. Mentally could change alot. Even an ugly win is good for the mindset. Remember 2 years ago when we lost our first 4 then had a god ugly win against fellow cellar dweller Freo. Followed that with a god ugly win against Essendon. What it gave us was some belief and we went on to win 4 of the next 5 after that including avery convincing win over Geelong. More often than not an ugly win does more for you and your belief than a highly honourable loss.
We can only hope so mate.
Its not going to be a good week Im affraid. Losing Marchy will hurt. Some change is required because what we've done so far hasn't worked. Time to try something different.
Just need a few of the younger blokes to play really good games....and the mids to work their butts off defensively.
No reason why O'Shea can't cover Marchbank's role with aplomb.
JSOS back in and Kerridge in for Polson.
I'd lke to see Dow 'rested' too for a bigger body but doubt it will happen.
Yes, a win is important. Mentally could change alot. Even an ugly win is good for the mindset. Remember 2 years ago when we lost our first 4 then had a god ugly win against fellow cellar dweller Freo. Followed that with a god ugly win against Essendon. What it gave us was some belief and we went on to win 4 of the next 5 after that including avery convincing win over Geelong. More often than not an ugly win does more for you and your belief than a highly honourable loss.
Indeed. Just what we need!
I like that we're sticking with Dow. He's showing enough to keep me interested. Needs a bit more of the ball and a bit of composure but it seems to be coming. Hopefully he has a breakout game against north.
I agree, and he seems to get a little bit better every game as he gets used to the speed of the game, keep playing him, if we want to drop players there are plenty who should go before Dow
Dow's kicking isnt great....cant hit targets, and lacks composure kicking for goal especially on the run......also needs to work on his defensive game and chase better, if you stuff up you still have to chase and get to the next contest.
Be good to pit him against LDU from Nth who also has been a slow starter after being a gun a TAC level....
Dow's kicking isnt great....cant hit targets, and lacks composure kicking for goal especially on the run......also needs to work on his defensive game and chase better, if you stuff up you still have to chase and get to the next contest.
Be good to pit him against LDU from Nth who also has been a slow starter after being a gun a TAC level....
C'mon EB. Cut the kid a bit of slack. Only played 3 games.
The nerves will still be playing a major part with him.
A teenager playing AFL footy. Pretty big stuff.
He's showing a lot of talent I reckon. A few games in the twos won't hurt him either, which he is sure to get during the season.
As I'va said before, playing Polson and Dow rather than say Kerridge and Graham (physically mature men), starts us two men down effectively.
That is, no chance of beating anyone.....strange tactics by the MC, who said 2018 was about wins?
No thanks, we need to look forward, not backwards
I think the club is committed to youth - I'd be surprised if we go back to the "older" players unless we need to cover for injuries.
As I'va said before, playing Polson and Dow rather than say Kerridge and Graham (physically mature men), starts us two men down effectively.
That is, no chance of beating anyone.....strange tactics by the MC, who said 2018 was about wins?
Whilst Polson isnt setting the world on fire, we are at a cross roads with him.
Hes on his third year on the list, and from what I saw on friday attempted to apply a lot of pressure, just needs to catch people and tackle them a bit more.
A little more polish and he would have jagged a couple of goals too.
we need to see him operate over a number of games and see what he can and cannot do, and decide whether or not hes worth persisting with as time is running out for him before he graduates to list clogger.
Im not in favour of dropping him particularly whilst the other smalls are not in the team or similarly not performing all that well. Basically, Lebois form against Collingwood was ominous and hes started to knock on the door for a potential senior birth if our small forwards don't get a wriggle on.
We need to see Polson for a couple more weeks and then figure out whether or not he's worth persisting with because when he exits this team, hes currently first delist off the rank IMHO. The rest of the blokes on our list have shown they have the ability to compete at AFL level, and have specifics they need to work on. Polson hasnt shown anything yet.
Whilst Polson isnt setting the world on fire, we are at a cross roads with him.
Hes on his third year on the list, and from what I saw on friday attempted to apply a lot of pressure, just needs to catch people and tackle them a bit more.
He's only at the start of his second year isn't he? ???
Same draft as SPS
I think the club is committed to youth - I'd be surprised if we go back to the "older" players unless we need to cover for injuries.
Agree...Youth also gives you an excuse if you lose, its easier to sell failure to the poor huddled masses and blame inexperience rather than anything
wrong from the coaches box.
Lets face it we are back to square one shuffling deck chairs on the titanic, the rebuild has hit an iceberg as our senior playing group are not good enough to carry the juniors while they develop and one of the worries when you rebuild is you hope other teams dont improve at the same rate as you but that hasnt been the case. There are no easy games and other teams who we thought we should beat have actually improved more than we thought, teams that should have collapsed into a screaming heap after cycles of success like Hawthorn, Swans etc refuse to die and bottom out.
We have no choice but to continue with youth but it isnt going to be pretty watching and unless Bolton can improve his coaching and planning on game day to make up for our deficiencies its going to be a long couple of seasons ahead with no guarantees..
He's only at the start of his second year isn't he? ???
Same draft as SPS
Sorry, I meant to say if hes to get a third year on the list.
Thus far has shown donuts.
Expecting a win, we can't possible go to 0-4.
Weitering to have a blinder playing Marchbank's role.
Agree...Youth also gives you an excuse if you lose, its easier to sell failure to the poor huddled masses and blame inexperience rather than anything
wrong from the coaches box.
Lets face it we are back to square one shuffling deck chairs on the titanic, the rebuild has hit an iceberg as our senior playing group are not good enough to carry the juniors while they develop and one of the worries when you rebuild is you hope other teams dont improve at the same rate as you but that hasnt been the case. There are no easy games and other teams who we thought we should beat have actually improved more than we thought, teams that should have collapsed into a screaming heap after cycles of success like Hawthorn, Swans etc refuse to die and bottom out.
We have no choice but to continue with youth but it isnt going to be pretty watching and unless Bolton can improve his coaching and planning on game day to make up for our deficiencies its going to be a long couple of seasons ahead with no guarantees..
Yep. I think there may be a good case to bring in an old proven tough and canny warhorse or maybe two, if any are available, as the Lions have done with Hodge. I'll be very interested to see how that works out for them this year. As you say I don't think we have many, if any, of his calibre,
Agree...Youth also gives you an excuse if you lose, its easier to sell failure to the poor huddled masses and blame inexperience rather than anything
wrong from the coaches box.
Lets face it we are back to square one shuffling deck chairs on the titanic, the rebuild has hit an iceberg as our senior playing group are not good enough to carry the juniors while they develop and one of the worries when you rebuild is you hope other teams dont improve at the same rate as you but that hasnt been the case. There are no easy games and other teams who we thought we should beat have actually improved more than we thought, teams that should have collapsed into a screaming heap after cycles of success like Hawthorn, Swans etc refuse to die and bottom out.
We have no choice but to continue with youth but it isnt going to be pretty watching and unless Bolton can improve his coaching and planning on game day to make up for our deficiencies its going to be a long couple of seasons ahead with no guarantees..
There's the problem....and it's the same problem we've had since 2003-4
Our youngsters don't have the advantage of developing in an environment where senior players provide an example, support and yes... even protection.
They're forced into this "getting games into kids" philosophy.
Fine, great.... if you're getting games alongside a Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis etc
Yep, we have a Cripps and even a Murphy but that's about where it ends for our young mids...and Cripps especially is always under extreme pressure as our main man, so it's hard to provide a lot of aid to the young guys.
So we have a choice...we steer away from the course we've chosen and add some experience or we stick with the youth approach.
If we're going to go down the "games into kids" path I suspect some of them are going to get broken.
The hope is enough make it through unscathed to provide the leadership and support for the next generation.
Weitering to have a blinder playing Marchbank's role.
Will O'Shea return to do that role, or will Rowe return and free Weitering up to do that role?
There's the problem....and it's the same problem we've had since 2003-4
If you keep thinking about this you'll come to an ultimate conclusion about certain players, and what effect them being OK periodically has on our playing list! We have some long standing players who excel when some kid comes in an takes the focus allowing the experienced player to be the 2nd fiddle, and posters here give the experienced player votes for being good when he gets a chop out from a child!
Expecting a win, we can't possible go to 0-4.
Weitering to have a blinder playing Marchbank's role.
Good thought. Hope you're right MBB.
Whilst Polson isnt setting the world on fire, we are at a cross roads with him.
Hes on his third year on the list, and from what I saw on friday attempted to apply a lot of pressure, just needs to catch people and tackle them a bit more.
A little more polish and he would have jagged a couple of goals too.
we need to see him operate over a number of games and see what he can and cannot do, and decide whether or not hes worth persisting with as time is running out for him before he graduates to list clogger.
Im not in favour of dropping him particularly whilst the other smalls are not in the team or similarly not performing all that well. Basically, Lebois form against Collingwood was ominous and hes started to knock on the door for a potential senior birth if our small forwards don't get a wriggle on.
We need to see Polson for a couple more weeks and then figure out whether or not he's worth persisting with because when he exits this team, hes currently first delist off the rank IMHO. The rest of the blokes on our list have shown they have the ability to compete at AFL level, and have specifics they need to work on. Polson hasnt shown anything yet.
Yet was not doing much in the 2s in any event? Where's the consistency then with making Big H 'wait' till he's earnt it.
Blokes like Polson are a dime a dozen quite frankly.....blokes like Big H are not. If we're going to lose by playin under ripe kids, play harry FFS.
And finally are we trying to win games or not?Surely, play Kerridge/Graham - you know what you'll get at minimum. Then if Polson's or Dow's (or O'Brien's) form warrants selection in the 1s they get promoted.
Not rocket science.
@FB
I think we are definitely trying to win games (not very successfully so far) with the team that we send out, but the selection of that team obviously is more in line with other agendas. ;)
@FB
I think we are definitely trying to win games (not very successfully so far) with the team that we send out, but the selection of that team obviously is more in line with other agendas. ;)
It is supposed to be a Super Draft this year . Wouldn't surprise me if we play the kids all season have a terrible year and go deep into the well one more time at the end of the season.
Yet was not doing much in the 2s in any event? Where's the consistency then with making Big H 'wait' till he's earnt it.
Blokes like Polson are a dime a dozen quite frankly.....blokes like Big H are not. If we're going to lose by playin under ripe kids, play harry FFS.
And finally are we trying to win games or not?
Surely, play Kerridge/Graham - you know what you'll get at minimum. Then if Polson's or Dow's (or O'Brien's) form warrants selection in the 1s they get promoted.
Not rocket science.
Its a balancing act Fly. What do we do? Play Kerridge and Graham, get the wins vs North and a few others, finish 10th, and then come end of season cut Polson after two years on the list and two games and say that we are looking to the future?
Or play Polson now, finish 16th winning a few games less, cut him at the end of the year finding out hes not good enough to compete at this level, and go to the draft with an improved drafting position.
Regarding what you say about Harry, there is a couple of blokes ahead of him keeping out of the team, but you wont find an argument for me as to why he should have played against the Gold Coast (on the flipside, we know Harry can compete at this level, his issue seems to be between the ears, regarding workrate and consistency). Polsons seem to be making an impact.
It is supposed to be a Super Draft this year . Wouldn't surprise me if we play the kids all season have a terrible year and go deep into the well one more time at the end of the season.
That's not the worst idea, considering that we are already 0-3, history tells you the season is nearly gone already. By round five, if we are 1-4, the season is gone. The North Melbourne game is a real danger for us right now. I only rate us a 50/50 chance here given form and injuries.
We need to know if Polson can play or not, will there be a future? Same with McKay, Kerr and if Jack Silvagni can play another role. Perhaps its now becoming a development year and we need to acknowledge it. I understand with not coming out publicly with that message, players might simply drop their bundle, take on self preservation and performance drops off even further.
I'd probably go with something like:;
Out - Marchbank (inj), Lamb, Polson
In - O'Shea, Kerridge, Graham
Team v Roos:
B: Mullett, Jones, O'Shea
Hb: Cuningham, Weitering, Simpson
C: Murphy, Cripps, Petrevski-Seton
Hf: Garlett, Plowman, Fisher
F: Wright, C.Curnow, Dow
Foll: Kreuzer, Kennedy
Rov: E.Curnow
I/c: Casboult, Graham, Kerridge, Thomas
Emg: Lamb, McKay, O'Brien, J.Silvagni
*Murphy to tag/keep a close check on Higgins. His job is to become the tackle and defensive aggressor from now IMO.
Poor old Harry
To get in the AFL side he has to show something in the VFL side.
But how can you show something in the VFL side playing in the forward line of that side :-\
Poor old Harry
To get in the AFL side he has to show something in the VFL side.
But how can you show something in the VFL side playing in the forward line of that side :-\
No doubt lods, but i reckon the coaches / mc would understand. I reckon we should play him regardless.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-12/north-forward-sidelined-for-blues-clash
Enjoyed BBs media conference and especially like his clarity and determination around our direction. One of the first to put my hand up re posting through 'frustration coloured glasses', I found his firmness and confidence in our direction reassuring. I haven't heard that from a senior coach at the CFC since Parko, though there were strong moments from Ratts. Of course the proof of the pudding is in the eating, but, although still intensely impatient, I get the logic and good sense of the time it's taking considering the major tear down of our list that has occurred.
I'm nervously confident (what!!!!! :o ) of a very good showing in Tassie, by us, that is...
Enjoyed BBs media conference and especially like his clarity and determination around our direction. One of the first to put my hand up re posting through 'frustration coloured glasses', I found his firmness and confidence in our direction reassuring. I haven't heard that from a senior coach at the CFC since Parko, though there were strong moments from Ratts. Of course the proof of the pudding is in the eating, but, although still intensely impatient, I get the logic and good sense of the time it's taking considering the major tear down of our list that has occurred.
I'm nervously confident (what!!!!! :o ) of a very good showing in Tassie, by us, that is...
I'd expect our senior players to lift and beat Nth by 2-3 goals, Boltons words wont mean much if lose a game we should win given how ordinary Nth really are and lacking in A grade talent.
re: Harry...not sure what Polson did better than Harry to get a game and IMO Harry's ventures into senior footy have shown more than Polson...
Remains a mystery to me how we select teams....
I'd expect our senior players to lift and beat Nth by 2-3 goals, Boltons words wont mean much if lose a game we should win given how ordinary Nth really are and lacking in A grade talent.
re: Harry...not sure what Polson did better than Harry to get a game and IMO Harry's ventures into senior footy have shown more than Polson...
Remains a mystery to me how we select teams....
I guess the argument would be team balance. Harry really hasn't shown enough to get a senior gig ahead of Levi, who he'd logically replace otherwise we'd just be too tall. I'd be surprised if Polson gets another go, though we really haven't anyone as quick as he is to replace him.
You'd think Marchbank and Polson out for O'Shea and SOJ.
What we really need to see is a good, hard competitive effort.
Words count for little if they're not backed up.
It doesn't have to be a win but it can't be a deflating loss.
OUT: Marchbank (inj), Lamb, Polson
IN: O'Shea, J. Silvagni, Obrien
Pretty much like for like there.
OUT: Marchbank (inj), Lamb, Polson
IN: O'Shea, J. Silvagni, Obrien
Pretty much like for like there.
Rain and wind predicted for Saturday, ball will spend a lot of time on the ground, hope the boys are up for a scrap.
Rain and wind predicted for Saturday, ball will spend a lot of time on the ground, hope the boys are up for a scrap.
Sounds like a game for big body scrappers!!
Youth focus continues.
Rain and wind predicted for Saturday, ball will spend a lot of time on the ground, hope the boys are up for a scrap.
Not really ideal conditions for a pacy distributor like O'Brien to make his debut - best of luck to you LOB.
Youth focus continues.
0-4
Has F all exposed form, it's a Hail Mary selection to maintain supporter interest.
Has F all exposed form, it's a Hail Mary selection to maintain supporter interest.
Tucked away on Saturday night in Hobart, hopefully there's s good movie on to keep the scrutiny down.
Seriously though, I'm looking for a much improved showing.
Tucked away on Saturday night in Hobart, hopefully there's s good movie on to keep the scrutiny down.
Seriously though, I'm looking for a much improved showing.
There were really only three chaps that could have held their heads high after the Collingwood VFL mauling - Andrew Phillips, SOJ and Lachie Obrien. Good call by the selection committee to give LOB a run.
I'm very happy with these selections, I had a terrible feeling that we'd cave and pick Graham and Kerridge.
I saw some of the VFL debacle, O'Brien looks very neat and tidy, good luck to him and may it be the first of 200 games in the Navy Blue.
CARLTON
B; Lachie Plowman, Liam Jones, David Cuningham
HB: Cameron O'Shea, Jacob Weitering, Kade Simpson
C: Dale Thomas, Matthew Kennedy, Aaron Mullett
HF: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Levi Casboult, Jack Silvagni
F: Zac Fisher, Charlie Curnow, Matthew Wright
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy
Int: Paddy Dow, Jarrod Garlett, Ed Curnow, Lochie O'Brien
EMG: Andrew Phillips, Nick Graham, Jed Lamb, Harry McKay
IN: Cameron O'Shea, Jack Silvagni, Lochie O'Brien
OUT: Caleb Marchbank (Injured), Cameron Polson (Omitted), Jed Lamb (Omitted)
NEW: Lochie O'Brien
There are a couple or lucky guys named this week. With the weather expected to be poor, windy and wet, I would have played Kerridge and Graham. I think they would be physically better capable of dealing with the conditions, even though their disposal can be suspect. Dow and O'Brien may not be the best options, but ... Weitering is very lucky to be there. Had any of the other defenders put their hands up, you would have expected them to push for spots.
It will also be interesting to see how Mullett goes against his old side: my expectations are low in the conditions.
NORTH MELBOURNE
B: Scott D. Thompson, Robbie Tarrant, Marley Williams
H: Jamie Macmillan, Majak Daw, Ed Vickers-Willis
C: Ben Jacobs, Trent Dumont, Billy Hartung
HF: Shaun Atley, Jarrad Waite, Jed Anderson
F: Jack Ziebell, Ben Brown, Jy Simpkin
R: Todd Goldstein, Shaun Higgins, Ben Cunnington
Int: Luke Davies-Uniacke, Luke McDonald, Ryan Clarke, Kayne Turner
EMG Ben McKay, Mason Wood, Declan Mountford, Cameron Zurhaar
IN: Robbie Tarrant
OUT: Nathan Hrovat (Injured)
CARLTON
B; Lachie Plowman, Liam Jones, David Cuningham
HB: Cameron O'Shea, Jacob Weitering, Kade Simpson
C: Dale Thomas, Matthew Kennedy, Aaron Mullett
HF: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Levi Casboult, Jack Silvagni
F: Zac Fisher, Charlie Curnow, Matthew Wright
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy
Int: Paddy Dow, Jarrod Garlett, Ed Curnow, Lochie O'Brien
EMG: Andrew Phillips, Nick Graham, Jed Lamb, Harry McKay
IN: Cameron O'Shea, Jack Silvagni, Lochie O'Brien
OUT: Caleb Marchbank (Injured), Cameron Polson (Omitted), Jed Lamb (Omitted)
NEW: Lochie O'Brien
There are a couple or lucky guys named this week. With the weather expected to be poor, windy and wet, I would have played Kerridge and Graham. I think they would be physically better capable of dealing with the conditions, even though their disposal can be suspect. Dow and O'Brien may not be the best options, but ... Weitering is very lucky to be there. Had any of the other defenders put their hands up, you would have expected them to push for spots.
It will also be interesting to see how Mullett goes against his old side: my expectations are low in the conditions.
NORTH MELBOURNE
B: Scott D. Thompson, Robbie Tarrant, Marley Williams
H: Jamie Macmillan, Majak Daw, Ed Vickers-Willis
C: Ben Jacobs, Trent Dumont, Billy Hartung
HF: Shaun Atley, Jarrad Waite, Jed Anderson
F: Jack Ziebell, Ben Brown, Jy Simpkin
R: Todd Goldstein, Shaun Higgins, Ben Cunnington
Int: Luke Davies-Uniacke, Luke McDonald, Ryan Clarke, Kayne Turner
EMG Ben McKay, Mason Wood, Declan Mountford, Cameron Zurhaar
IN: Robbie Tarrant
OUT: Nathan Hrovat (Injured)
Mullett may get Hartung who has played well for Nth since crossing from Hawthorn...Hartung is quick but non physical which should suit Mullett..
I'd have Ed Curnow on Shaun Higgins...Higgins is one of the few real classy players they have and needs a minder.....I am expecting the Ziebell/Higgins move to FF as well given Collingwood used the same tactic with Sidebottom and Treloar with success and I would expect Brad Scott to copy what Buckley did.
Dumont may get a tagging role on Cripps...think he tagged Gibbs last season with success..
I think Cripps will be BOG and win us the game....
Mullett may get Hartung who has played well for Nth since crossing from Hawthorn...Hartung is quick but non physical which should suit Mullett..
I'd have Ed Curnow on Shaun Higgins...Higgins is one of the few real classy players they have and needs a minder.....I am expecting the Ziebell/Higgins move to FF as well given Collingwood used the same tactic with Sidebottom and Treloar with success and I would expect Brad Scott to copy what Buckley did.
Dumont may get a tagging role on Cripps...think he tagged Gibbs last season with success..
I think Cripps will be BOG and win us the game....
Thought exactly the same thing... many opposition coaches will attempt to exploit our 'too many talls down back' and Weitering's indifferent form.
Thought exactly the same thing... many opposition coaches will attempt to exploit our 'too many talls down back' and Weitering's indifferent form.
Now every man and his dog can see it.
When i first brought it up though.... ::)
Thought exactly the same thing... many opposition coaches will attempt to exploit our 'too many talls down back' and Weitering's indifferent form.
Hmmm!
Atley 189 - O'Shea 193
Waite 194 - Weitering 195
Anderson 179 - Simpson 181
Ziebell 188 - Plowman 191
Brown 200 - Jones 198
Simpkin 182 - Cuningham 183
I wouldn't want to go much shorter! Not that we will match up like that too often during the game.
Congratulations to O'Brein on debut for the mighty Blues.
All the best to OShea and Jack for fighting their way back.
I hope all 3 have a ripper game and press the selectors to play r5.
Congratulations L O'B.
It appears to me that the club have decided 2018 will be development year more than a push up the ladder year.
Not playing Kerridge and Graham in conditions that would suit hard scrappy football says that we are not necessary chasing a win.
I'm OK with that, but am looking forward to 2020 when hopefully we can be in finals contention.
Now every man and his dog can see it.
When i first brought it up though.... ::)
What would the world do without your insight....
There are a couple or lucky guys named this week. With the weather expected to be poor, windy and wet, I would have played Kerridge and Graham. I think they would be physically better capable of dealing with the conditions, even though their disposal can be suspect. Dow and O'Brien may not be the best options, but ... Weitering is very lucky to be there. Had any of the other defenders put their hands up, you would have expected them to push for spots.
It will also be interesting to see how Mullett goes against his old side: my expectations are low in the conditions.
I'm thinking back to our first win last year against the bombers......similar conditions to those forecast ! Hopefully the boys can pull out another hard win if it is wet.
I certainly wouldn't be going too tall that's for sure ! I like the ins, but yes, a couple more hard bodies would be handy. Although, if I remember from that win last year, it was SPS who had a great game in the wet.
Higgins cuts us up every time. Ed is a trier, but at the end of the day he is a very limited footballer.
Congratulations L O'B.
It appears to me that the club have decided 2018 will be development year more than a push up the ladder year.
Not playing Kerridge and Graham in conditions that would suit hard scrappy football says that we are not necessary chasing a win.
I'm OK with that, but am looking forward to 2020 when hopefully we can be in finals contention.
Dead right imo. We may select for wins for morale purposes a bit later in the year but for now its all about development. Match results will be disappointing so I will try to distract myself by seeing how individual players come along.
Hopefully Kreuzer and Kennedy are closer to 100% this week.
Hmmm!
Atley 189 - O'Shea 193
Waite 194 - Weitering 195
Anderson 179 - Simpson 181
Ziebell 188 - Plowman 191
Brown 200 - Jones 198
Simpkin 182 - Cuningham 183
I wouldn't want to go much shorter! Not that we will match up like that too often during the game.
I don't understand what the posters here are on about, Norp look bigger and heavier than us on paper, and a centimeter or two means diddly squat!
They way Kruddler carries on you'd think that a 2cm difference is like swimming across the Atlantic!
The bigger problem for us is we are carrying too many slows players rotating through our midfield and forward line that cannot hit a target. They miss targets by hand and foot then get run off by the opposition on the turnover. This creates havoc for our defense as that have to deal with unmarked and unhindered opposition players streaming into 50m.
Banging on about our defense is basically complaining about the symptom and ignoring the cause!
Hit some freaking targets, create some clean football, and 90% of the problems disappear!
I'm dramatically losing faith on our MC, the feedback I got from some who suffered through the VFL humiliation suggested SoJ was miles away from selection. So we either have a bunch of injuries nobody knows about or this is nepotism's evil tendrils entering our AFL team selection.
Another week or two of this apparently baseless selection, if it is in conjunction with further loses which appear likely, and the tanking accusations will start to appear and justifiably so!
I don't understand what the posters here are on about, Norp look bigger and heavier than us on paper, and a centimeter or two means diddly squat!
They way Kruddler carries on you'd think that a 2cm difference is like swimming across the Atlantic!
The bigger problem for us is we are carrying too many slows players rotating through our midfield and forward line that cannot hit a target. They miss targets by hand and foot then get run off by the opposition defenders on the turnover. This creates havoc for our defense as that have to deal with unmarked and unhindered opposition players streaming into 50m.
Banging on about our defense is basically complaining about the symptom and ignoring the cause!
Agree. Therein lie too many of our woes. We are too often totally wrong-footed especially now we are trying to be more attacking.
Agree. Therein lie too many of our woes. We are too often totally wrong-footed especially now we are trying to be more attacking.
Further on the skills front.
You can get away with being slowish in the midfield if you are A-Grade on left and right foot, so good that people cannot tell which leg is your natural leg.
We have slowish players, many of them are mostly one sided.
Norp look bigger and heavier than us on paper, and a centimeter or two means diddly squat!
It's a fair point
Height is only one variable, and if were talking centimetres....leap, reach, weight, strength, maturity, speed all have a bearing.
In the first couple of weeks our guys seem to have been out-bodied and out positioned many times by shorter players.
Form, confidence, awareness and effort are other factors.
All seem to be in play at present.
Some are fixable short term...others may require a season or two of experience, training and maturity.
Still others will be measured and found wanting.
It's a fair point
Height is only one variable, and if were talking centimetres....leap, reach, weight, strength, maturity, speed all have a bearing.
In the first couple of weeks our guys seem to have been out-bodied and out positioned many times by shorter players.
Form, confidence, awareness and effort are other factors.
All seem to be in play at present.
Some are fixable short term...others may require a season or two of experience, training and maturity.
Still others will be measured and found wanting.
North have a lot of weak bodied players like us, they dont play a physical game, Goldstein is one of the more gentleman like ruckman, their toughest player is Cunnington but he isnt a sniper type.
They dont have any real A grade superstars and their coach isnt the brightest either.....no excuses this week, I expect to win and comfortably, if we cant beat North then we have gone backwards.
I have no confidence at all going into this game. I can see the logic in playing a couple of the bigger bodied boys based on the weather forecast but I'm kinda glad we're giving the younger blokes a run at it as I think we need to start adopting a sink or swim mentality after 3 years of drafting.
Weather could help us a bit with combating Brown and Waite in the air but the seasoned north bodies around the ball are better placed than our tiny tots (excluding Crippa). I'm hoping and praying that the worst of our football is behind us and we can start to play better. I think a 20% improvement by our boys would be enough to get over these flogs.
North have a lot of weak bodied players like us, they dont play a physical game, Goldstein is one of the more gentleman like ruckman, their toughest player is Cunnington but he isnt a sniper type.
They dont have any real A grade superstars and their coach isnt the brightest either.....no excuses this week, I expect to win and comfortably, if we cant beat North then we have gone backwards.
I will stock up on a few frothies EB, based on your confidence! I guess I'll drink them anyway.
I will stock up on a few frothies EB, based on your confidence! I guess I'll drink them anyway.
Cookie, I just think the club have to draw a line in the sand and say this is a winnable game and our experienced players need to lift and drag the kids along
for the the ride. No more green shoot excuses or synergy cliches, this is a simple game of footy to be played in real football weather more than likely, between two clubs who probably lack real
depth in talent and its going to come down to effort more than pretty skills.
This is backs to the wall stuff, members/supporters want a win not another cliched press conference of excuses.....if we can harness the same effort we displayed vs Richmond that should be enough to win over a very ordinary North Melbourne team also stranded in the wilderness....Bolton needs to do a Moses, buy a compass and take us to the promised land....
Cookie, I just think the club have to draw a line in the sand and say this is a winnable game and our experienced players need to lift and drag the kids along
for the the ride. No more green shoot excuses or synergy cliches, this is a simple game of footy to be played in real football weather more than likely, between two clubs who probably lack real
depth in talent and its going to come down to effort more than pretty skills.
This is backs to the wall stuff, members/supporters want a win not another cliched press conference of excuses.....if we can harness the same effort we displayed vs Richmond that should be enough to win over a very ordinary North Melbourne team also stranded in the wilderness....Bolton needs to do a Moses, buy a compass and take us to the promised land....
I really hope you're right EB - those beers would taste especially good as I watch the game. It would be especially "delicious" (to borrow a phrase!) if we could win whilst playing the young guys. 8)
On a side note it will be interesting to see how Dow v Davies-Uniacke go in this game. Neither has set the world on fire so I'm expecting one or the other to improve significantly to earn some cred re their draft order selection. Hopefully our boy shines through.
On a side note it will be interesting to see how Dow v Davies-Uniacke go in this game. Neither has set the world on fire so I'm expecting one or the other to improve significantly to earn some cred re their draft order selection. Hopefully our boy shines through.
Our boy can’t kick! It’s stupendous that we picked a kid at #3 and he can’t kick. Call me crazy but I fear we may have made a grave error.
Our boy can’t kick! It’s stupendous that we picked a kid at #3 and he can’t kick. Call me crazy but I fear we may have made a grave error.
I think we should give him 20 or 30 games in the seniors before we judge.
I think we should give him 20 or 30 games in the seniors before we judge.
Should he be learning how to kick in the seniors? The young mans confidence is shattered at the moment. Ziebell the thug will probably flatten him on Saturday because we can’t protect our youngin.
Should he be learning how to kick in the seniors? The young mans confidence is shattered at the moment. Ziebell the thug will probably flatten him on Saturday because we can’t protect our youngin.
Lack of midfield depth is not his fault, and neither is playing in an under performing team. His kicking is generally pretty good, from what I've seen. You won't find too many of our players that can hold their heads high after those 3 games.
Our boy can’t kick! It’s stupendous that we picked a kid at #3 and he can’t kick. Call me crazy but I fear we may have made a grave error.
I think we should give him 20 or 30 games in the seniors before we judge.
That's what they said about you know who! :o
As long as we don't take another 8 to 10 years to make the call! ;)
That's what they said about you know who! :o
Cripps? ???
Should he be learning how to kick in the seniors? The young mans confidence is shattered at the moment. Ziebell the thug will probably flatten him on Saturday because we can’t protect our youngin.
Kicking wasnt his strong point at TAC level, have pointed it out myself he misses easy targets and can be wasteful in front of goal but so does Cripps and another bloke called Judd wasnt great by foot either.
Dows strength is his running, contesting and ball winning and the way he can accelerate out of contests, think the recruiting of Obrien compliments Dow as Obrien is an excellent kick, good decision maker but lacks Dows contesting ability and acceleration. Dow to Obrien would be a good combo for CFC if it happens a lot in games..
Its very hard to get the perfect footballer, even Dangerfield sprays them into the forward 50, .......a young Pendlebury is probably the type of player we lack, good in close/heavy traffic with his evasive skills but very dangerous in the open creating for others and reliable in front of goal...
Kicking wasnt his strong point at TAC level, have pointed it out myself he misses easy targets and can be wasteful in front of goal but so does Cripps and another bloke called Judd wasnt great by foot either.
Dows strength is his running, contesting and ball winning and the way he can accelerate out of contests, think the recruiting of Obrien compliments Dow as Obrien is an excellent kick, good decision maker but lacks Dows contesting ability and acceleration. Dow to Obrien would be a good combo for CFC if it happens a lot in games..
Its very hard to get the perfect footballer, even Dangerfield sprays them into the forward 50, .......a young Pendlebury is probably the type of player we lack, good in close/heavy traffic with his evasive skills but very dangerous in the open creating for others and reliable in front of goal...
I reckon you're right, except what little I've seen his kicking is better than Judd's. He is like a Judd junior.
What would the world do without your insight....
Be forced to listen to you proclaiming how we are finals bound every year??
Re Dow's kicking, he seems to be rushed at the moment, still only 3 games in and he is getting used to the speed of the game, I think as he starts to feel more comfortable at AFl level he will be more composed and will kick the ball better than what we have seen so far
It's a fair point
Height is only one variable, and if were talking centimetres....leap, reach, weight, strength, maturity, speed all have a bearing.
In the first couple of weeks our guys seem to have been out-bodied and out positioned many times by shorter players.
Form, confidence, awareness and effort are other factors.
All seem to be in play at present.
Some are fixable short term...others may require a season or two of experience, training and maturity.
Still others will be measured and found wanting.
Height
is only a variable. My 'argument' has been simplified to too many talls.
In reality, the argument is generally that the opposition have too many quick smalls. A subtle difference. One that highlights the fact that some of our talls, specifically Weitering, cannot mind one of the many smalls that we often come up against....and even some of the quicker talls. Basically, we usually need more 'small forward minders' in our side.
Weiterings lack of acceleration, speed and agility is more of a factor than his height and i have stressed that previously.
FWIW, this week i think the matchups work a bit better for Weitering. Would still have preferred Marchbank in the side instead of Oshea. Which BTW is listed as 197, not 193 as quoted earlier. Meaning his matchup with Atley has 8cm difference, which in itself isn't a huge issue, but almost always means that Atley will be quicker and more agile as a result. I know Oshea can play smaller than his size suggests, but have not had a look at that under the microscope of AFL footy much as yet.
Re Dow's kicking, he seems to be rushed at the moment, still only 3 games in and he is getting used to the speed of the game, I think as he starts to feel more comfortable at AFl level he will be more composed and will kick the ball better than what we have seen so far
His three game stats are better than many debutantes...including Cripps.
Kade Simpson had donuts.
Time!
Height is only a variable. My 'argument' has been simplified to too many talls.
In reality, the argument is generally that the opposition have too many quick smalls. A subtle difference. One that highlights the fact that some of our talls, specifically Weitering, cannot mind one of the many smalls that we often come up against....and even some of the quicker talls. Basically, we usually need more 'small forward minders' in our side.
Weiterings lack of acceleration, speed and agility is more of a factor than his height and i have stressed that previously.
FWIW, this week i think the matchups work a bit better for Weitering. Would still have preferred Marchbank in the side instead of Oshea. Which BTW is listed as 197, not 193 as quoted earlier. Meaning his matchup with Atley has 8cm difference, which in itself isn't a huge issue, but almost always means that Atley will be quicker and more agile as a result. I know Oshea can play smaller than his size suggests, but have not had a look at that under the microscope of AFL footy much as yet.
Yep
....but speed is also only another variable.
Our blokes being outbodied, pushed off the ball, tackles broken etc means we're also lightbodied and 'weak' in comparison to many of the opposition.
It's another area where Weitering and others are struggling at the moment.
That may need another year or two of physical development....or it might never come!
Height is only a variable. My 'argument' has been simplified to too many talls.
In reality, the argument is generally that the opposition have too many quick smalls. A subtle difference. One that highlights the fact that some of our talls, specifically Weitering, cannot mind one of the many smalls that we often come up against....and even some of the quicker talls. Basically, we usually need more 'small forward minders' in our side.
Weiterings lack of acceleration, speed and agility is more of a factor than his height and i have stressed that previously.
FWIW, this week i think the matchups work a bit better for Weitering. Would still have preferred Marchbank in the side instead of Oshea. Which BTW is listed as 197, not 193 as quoted earlier. Meaning his matchup with Atley has 8cm difference, which in itself isn't a huge issue, but almost always means that Atley will be quicker and more agile as a result. I know Oshea can play smaller than his size suggests, but have not had a look at that under the microscope of AFL footy much as yet.
O’Shea’s height is listed as 193cm on the club website, FootyWire, Wikipedia and in an article about his delisting by Port. However, I have seen the erroneous 197cm height mentioned from time to time.
Oppositions having too many quick smalls isn’t a problem for the defence, it’s all over the ground. Perhaps one of our most telling problems is the lack of a small forward able to run down defenders and win free kicks inside 50. Our lack of pace in the midfield enables opposition players to run through the corridor and deliver to their forwards’ advantage. The height/speed of our defenders is largely irrelevant when the ball comes in so quickly ... and it usually happens as a result of a shallow, misdirected forward 50 entry.
I’m not convinced that our defence is too tall/slow but there are other issues, such as lack of experienced midfielders (I didn’t think we’d miss Gibbs as much), that are more critical.
I’m not convinced that our defence is too tall/slow but there are other issues, such as lack of experienced midfielders (I didn’t think we’d miss Gibbs as much), that are more critical.
I'm not saying our midfield doesn't have problems, they do.
Our forwards have problems too.
Both of the above are basically due to the fact we have a lack of options in those areas.
The reason i talk about our backline is because unlike the other 2 areas, our problem is picking a balanced backline from the abundance of defenders we have on our list. Its a different issue to the other areas.
Yep
....but speed is also only another variable.
Our blokes being outbodied, pushed off the ball, tackles broken etc means we're also lightbodied and 'weak' in comparison to many of the opposition.
It's another area where Weitering and others are struggling at the moment.
That may need another year or two of physical development....or it might never come!
Yes, speed is another variable.
As i've said, its about matchups. More often than not its height and/or speed that means we don't have the right players/matchups. I'd argue that those 2 are key factors for picking a backline.
If you are too small to spoil a tall forward, it doesn't matter how quick you are.
If you are too slow to keep up with an opponent leading/running with the ball, it doesn't matter how tall you are.
Sure, other areas help define ideal matchups, as you've mentioned, but if we can't get the basics right, what hope do we have?
No real argument Kruds other than I'd give equal weight to "body on body" strength.
It's what made Stephen Silvagni so hard to play on.
While not super huge in the upper body he had great lower body power.
No real argument Kruds other than I'd give equal weight to "body on body" strength.
It's what made Stephen Silvagni so hard to play on.
While not super huge in the upper body he had great lower body power.
SOS's thighs doubled in size over his career to serve that very purpose...and he was the best at it.
While there is still a place in todays game for being good body on body, its relevance compared to SOSs era is reduced to next to nothing for the modern day players.
Simply the amount of contests where that becomes useful is a lot less than it was previously IMO.
SOS's thighs doubled in size over his career to serve that very purpose...and he was the best at it.
While there is still a place in todays game for being good body on body, its relevance compared to SOSs era is reduced to next to nothing for the modern day players.
Simply the amount of contests where that becomes useful is a lot less than it was previously IMO.
I've seen us beaten in those body on body contests a few times in the last couple of weeks ;)
Your whipping boy Weitering a couple of times has been man handled.
Opposition teams waltz through our tackles.
I've seen us beaten in those body on body contests a few times in the last couple of weeks ;)
Your whipping boy Weitering a couple of times has been man handled.
Opposition teams waltz through our tackles.
a few times in a couple of weeks? Is that it? Sos used to get in those contests a few times each quarter, every quarter, every week.
Thats my point. Its a skill that can not be utilised as much as it could in the past.
I'm not dismissing it as useful, but think about it this way.
How many forwards kick goals from set shots off a lead.
How many forwards kick goals from pack marks.
....joe the goose..
...free kicks...
vs
How many forwards kick goals from winning a 1 on 1 wrestle with their opponent?
Compare that to 2 decades ago.
Big difference.
Yes, tackling is another issue but how many times do you see a Fraser Brown vs Wellman tackle in a game and how many times do you see a chase down tackle from behind in a game?
The latter is far more frequent and requires speed. Hence why it is ranked above almost all else in todays game.
Can we channel abit of this spirit tonight please?
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-04-13/classic-matches-kangaroos
a few times in a couple of weeks? Is that it? Sos used to get in those contests a few times each quarter, every quarter, every week.
Thats my point. Its a skill that can not be utilised as much as it could in the past.
I'm not dismissing it as useful, but think about it this way.
How many forwards kick goals from set shots off a lead.
How many forwards kick goals from pack marks.
....joe the goose..
...free kicks...
vs
How many forwards kick goals from winning a 1 on 1 wrestle with their opponent?
Compare that to 2 decades ago.
Big difference.
Yes, tackling is another issue but how many times do you see a Fraser Brown vs Wellman tackle in a game and how many times do you see a chase down tackle from behind in a game?
The latter is far more frequent and requires speed. Hence why it is ranked above almost all else in todays game.
My point is that we rarely win these contests.
Our tackles are easily brushed aside and apart from a couple of players (Curnow, Cripps) we rarely break tackles.
We are a physically weak side...part of that is youth...and strength is a variable that can be improved significantly from age 18 to 22..whereas speed is pretty much settled.
While in the current game the trend may be for speed (and I'm not discounting that) we know trends change.
But really ...How many of these rely on speed?
How many forwards kick goals from set shots off a lead.
How many forwards kick goals from pack marks.
....joe the goose..
...free kicks...
Probably the player on the lead...but that's more about reaction time than speed.
North have certainly had the wood over us scoring 113+ . They have a very encouraging w-l differential in The Apple isle. FWIW I think they'll get over the line this round. I've taken someone's tipping tip this week, tipping against our own... that was challenging. So go ahead Blues - prove me wrong, shame me, do whatever it takes to get the win in Tassie. Do it for Bolts even.
I realize we're not running on all cylinders and that will take time and tinkering.
What I would love to see is: 4q effort relative to development, on field leadership, timely coaching flexibility, and never give up competitiveness.
Assuming the MC have preceded all this with a fit matched selection, we should see a good contest.
Go Blues - get this kangaroo monkey off your back.
But really ...How many of these rely on speed?
Probably the player on the lead...but that's more about reaction time than speed.
To not overcomplicate issues, my reference to speed included acceleration ie speed off the mark...players on the lead falling under that umbrella.
Joe the goose is probably an inability (or want) to get back on the fast break, so speed could be a factor...or at worse, good damage limitation.
Pack marks probably comes down to height.
So 3 out of the 4 comes down to the 2 key factors i mentioned, height and speed.
To not overcomplicate issues, my reference to speed included acceleration ie speed off the mark...players on the lead falling under that umbrella.
Joe the goose is probably an inability (or want) to get back on the fast break, so speed could be a factor...or at worse, good damage limitation.
Pack marks probably comes down to height.
So 3 out of the 4 comes down to the 2 key factors i mentioned, height and speed.
Joe the Goose is always 100% caused by extra numbers around the ball carrier, speed is never the issue. No extra numbers, no Joe the Goose, and it is rarely if ever caused by the defence, it's nearly always caused by players allowing overlap further up the field.
Pack marks....yep... Heights an advantage but it's more about timing and leap.
Many variables...and the winner of one contest is not always the winner of the next one. ;)
Pack marks....yep... Heights an advantage but it's more about timing and leap.
Many variables...and the winner of one contest is not always the winner of the next one. ;)
Most of the AFLs best pack marking players are 190cm or under.
A 200cm type marking on the lead has little to do with speed, and more about timing and strength. Most 200cm types taking lead up marks result from strength to dispose of the defender before the break and are done and dusted within two or three steps. Some rely on aerobic capacity, guys who run two or three dummy leads, but that isn't about speed either, that is about finding a match up that has size and equal endurance.
atm., Probably the only genuine KPF who can boast a significant speed advantage over the typical defender is Franklin. Franklin is so unique because he's got it all.
FYI, a Weitering article today.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-14/how-is-weiterings-first-45-tracking-against-the-best
Weather pretty good down here actually, Carlton supporters absolutely everywhere ????????????
Weather pretty good down here actually, Carlton supporters absolutely everywhere ????????????
Help our boys bring it home Brettie and fellow Bluebaggers
Go Blues
Weather pretty good down here actually, Carlton supporters absolutely everywhere ????????????
Be like a pilgrimage looking for a miracle......
I reckon we'll learn a bit from the effort shown tonight.
Hoping for a positive showing.
Stand tall!
I reckon we'll learn a bit from the effort shown tonight.
Hoping for a positive showing.
Stand tall!
I expect to win...Nth are on the way down, have average leadership and few stars, doesnt get much easier than Nth IMO apart from maybe Brisbane down in Melbourne....
No excuses IMO if we lose tonight, weather seems good, neutral venue......
Just sat in our seats.....awesome Carlton support here.....Come on Blues!!!
Just the two entrances to get into this ground.......queues were a mile long & took about 20 mins to get in.....just a tip to the ground managers; another entrance or two might be nice ????
Street parking right outside the ground....it’s like the old days ????
Murphy is f***ed before the game has even started.
Nick Graham may be a VERY late inclusion.
Murphy is f***ed before the game has even started.
Nick Graham may be a VERY late inclusion.
Looks a bad injury too. Couldn’t even jog.
Footy gods hate us
It will take a miracle now.
Murphy officially out.
Cripps tosses the coin. New skipper?
Ok. Graham. Now's your time to shine.
Go Blues
Looks a bad injury too. Couldn’t even jog.
Footy gods hate us
Un-friggin-believable ????
Un-friggin-believable ????
You reached the exit yet Brettie? :-[
Maybe people will stop moaning about leadership making cripps captain and bagging Murphy. That wasn't our worst quarter for the year, but fork me dead it's in our bottom three.
>:(
Maybe people will stop moaning about leadership making cripps captain and bagging Murphy. That wasn't our worst quarter for the year, but fork me dead it's in our bottom three.
>:(
Murphy is our captain. What are you on about?
My god.....our skills ????????????
Murphy is our captain. What are you on about?
Murphy not playing mb. Cripps tossed the coin, look how well our first quarter with the wind has gone.
Murphy not playing mb. Cripps tossed the coin, look how well our first quarter with the wind has gone.
So Murphy was captain for all the preparation?