The game is set for Saturday afternoon at home.
We have 9 Carlton listed players named, but the actual side isn't up yet.
9 is not a lot, considering our list, but with our injuries, I am happy to see that many. Hopefully the youngsters can put on a powerful showing.
Here is the line-up, as named a couple of minutes ago, just as I was about to post!
Backs: Cody Hirst Ed Delany Ryley Stoddart
Half-backs: Liam Stocker Stefan Radovanovic Cooper Stephens
Centreline: Sam Philp Lochie O'Brien Will Setterfield
Half-forwards: Matt Owies Josh Honey David Cuningham
Forwards: Corey Durdin Ben Crocker Ben Caluzzi
Followers: Alex Mirkov James Parsons Sam Ramsay
Interchange: Toby Wooller Tom North Dale Marshall Matt Shannon
Emergency: Daniel Guccione Aaron Gundry Lachie Swaney
Anyone for a guy forward? That is the smallest forward line I can ever remember for a Carlton team. Cunners might actually be the tallest of them!
Overall, the team appears small and fast (well, there is Lochie O'Brien).
Wooller is tall and can pinch hit in the ruck. Mirkov is 210 cm tall! I don't know much about him, he was only put on the list this week.
Zavier Maher is also on the list, but he is playing U19 footy this weekend for the Bushrangers.
From memory, the only other big fellow names is Aaron Gundry, who has been having injury problems of late. He was the Pioneers ruck last season (you know what I mean). He totally dominated Richmond a few weeks back, but got injured then and isn't 100% yet.
I saw the team and before i read your post my eyes popped out of my head looking at the forward line.
I googled and found 188 and 184 for our 'key forwards'
Then i read your post and checked cunners 185.
Thats embarrassing from a list management perspective.
You would think Wooller might be brought in to play up forward and perhaps relieve in the ruck if Delaney stays down back. I am surprised neither of Guccione or Gundry is included to give some much needed height - if Gundry is fit to play he should certainly be in there. Those changes would make the munchkinland forward line look a bit more balanced.
Well into the final qtr and Blues by 11 pts after Southport drew level. 16.12 to 15.7
Southport won by 1 pt.
Blues 16.12.108
S'port 17.7.109
Southport won by 1 pt.
Blues 16.12.108
S'port 17.7.109
Only time Southport were in front was at the end. How did we fxxx that up? We had some huge leads.
Heard Stocker was outstanding.
The game is set for Saturday afternoon at home.
We have 9 Carlton listed players named, but the actual side isn't up yet.
9 is not a lot, considering our list, but with our injuries, I am happy to see that many. Hopefully the youngsters can put on a powerful showing.
Here is the line-up, as named a couple of minutes ago, just as I was about to post!
Backs: Cody Hirst Ed Delany Ryley Stoddart
Half-backs: Liam Stocker Stefan Radovanovic Cooper Stephens
Centreline: Sam Philp Lochie O'Brien Will Setterfield
Half-forwards: Matt Owies Josh Honey David Cuningham
Forwards: Corey Durdin Ben Crocker Ben Caluzzi
Followers: Alex Mirkov James Parsons Sam Ramsay
Interchange: Toby Wooller Tom North Dale Marshall Matt Shannon
Emergency: Daniel Guccione Aaron Gundry Lachie Swaney
Anyone for a guy forward? That is the smallest forward line I can ever remember for a Carlton team. Cunners might actually be the tallest of them!
Overall, the team appears small and fast (well, there is Lochie O'Brien).
Wooller is tall and can pinch hit in the ruck. Mirkov is 210 cm tall! I don't know much about him, he was only put on the list this week.
Zavier Maher is also on the list, but he is playing U19 footy this weekend for the Bushrangers.
From memory, the only other big fellow names is Aaron Gundry, who has been having injury problems of late. He was the Pioneers ruck last season (you know what I mean). He totally dominated Richmond a few weeks back, but got injured then and isn't 100% yet.
Hope we don't get any key position injuries then in the seniors. Pity Kerr wasn't still around.
Only time Southport were in front was at the end. How did we fxxx that up? We had some huge leads.
Heard Stocker was outstanding.
Do SouthPort Sharks have any big names?...I know they are a well run club but who actually beat us, reality is a Queensland club team beat a Carlton team with 9 listed senior players...
Do SouthPort Sharks have any big names?...I know they are a well run club but who actually beat us, reality is a Queensland club team beat a Carlton team with 9 listed senior players...
I have no idea about those other clubs. We had 8 or 9 senior players but I think we just had a mish-mash of whoever stuck together recently for the rest of the side. Got no idea if they are any good.
Heard Stocker was outstanding.
31 kicks 7 handballs...he's had a big one ;)
31 kicks 7 handballs...he's had a big one ;)
...and a goal.
Some SouthPort Shark insights, they seem a well equipped club and have some old friends of ours playing for them.
SOUTHPORT SHARKS
Coach: Steve Daniel
Captain: Andrew Boston, Seb Tape
2019 Result: 14-6, 2nd (NEAFL)
Key Ins: Daniel Charlesworth, Jacob Dawson, Billy Gowers, Jesse Joyce, Brad Lynch, Connor Nutting, Leigh Osborne, Brad Scheer, Fraser Thurlow, Lukas Webb
Key Outs: Timakoi Bowie, Lee Dale, Joshua Hall, Jack Mentha, Tyler Roos, Matt Shaw, Trent Stubbs, Jordan Taylor, Jed Turner
Five Players To Watch: Tom Fields, Billy Gowers, Mitchell Johnson, Brodie Murdoch, Jesse Travaglini
Summary: A perennial powerhouse in the AFLQ and NEAFL competitions, the Sharks are a club that should be able compete at this level long-term both on and off the field. They have recruited strongly off AFL lists and will be a challenging proposition to play against most weeks. It remains to be seen if they can find the 10 or 11 wins they will likely need to make the finals.
Summary: A perennial powerhouse in the AFLQ and NEAFL competitions, the Sharks are a club that should be able compete at this level long-term both on and off the field. They have recruited strongly off AFL lists and will be a challenging proposition to play against most weeks. It remains to be seen if they can find the 10 or 11 wins they will likely need to make the finals.
It'll be the 2nd half of the season before the traditional VFL clubs get a handle on them, that is when they get tested.
Stocker had to be BOG. He had an outstanding game. It is a pity that we couldn't hold on for that extra few seconds to get the win. :(
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Billy Gowers kicked 6 goals for Southport and would be Blue Lukas Webb kicked the sealer.
Stocker has to be an automatic in...
Billy Gowers kicked 6 goals for Southport and would be Blue Lukas Webb kicked the sealer.
Stocker has to be an automatic in...
Gowers had all the talent and zero correct attitude, when guys like Clarkson and Hodge put you in the too hard basket it's a tell!
38 Possies is interesting, pity there was no coverage, I notice Fox/Kayo are broadcasting some VFL games but not our home games. I'll have to reserve my judgement on the 38, it could be 38 with zero contested.
38 Possies is interesting, pity there was no coverage, I notice Fox/Kayo are broadcasting some VFL games but not our home games. I'll have to reserve my judgement on the 38, it could be 38 with zero contested.
I was there. Stocker was the best listed player by some margin.
Cunners was good early, but drifted out of the game. Not that surprising considering how we were thrashed in the ruck.
We had a young kid, Alex Mirkov, as our only real ruckman. He has only been training for a couple of weeks and doesn't have the fitness yet. When he got the tap, and he got most of our taps, we got goals. He is very raw, coming from volleyball (?), but at 210 cm he had more than a little idea of what he was doing.
The only other ruckman on our VFL list, from memory, is Aaron Gundry, who has been struggling somewhat with injury in the last few weeks.
I was there. Stocker was the best listed player by some margin.
Cunners was good early, but drifted out of the game. Not that surprising considering how we were thrashed in the ruck.
We had a young kid, Alex Mirkov, as our only real ruckman. He has only been training for a couple of weeks and doesn't have the fitness yet. When he got the tap, and he got most of our taps, we got goals. He is very raw, coming from volleyball (?), but at 210 cm he had more than a little idea of what he was doing.
The only other ruckman on our VFL list, from memory, is Aaron Gundry, who has been struggling somewhat with injury in the last few weeks.
Also have Ed Delaney named at FB but more a forward/relief ruck type as a junior. But the stocks are thin, hence the late call up for Mirkov
Looks a handy game by cunners.
25 possessions. Should be enough to start getting in.
I think he might make good trade bait and we need to start playing him this season to lift his currency or value to our team.
I was there. Stocker was the best listed player by some margin.
Cunners was good early, but drifted out of the game. Not that surprising considering how we were thrashed in the ruck.
We had a young kid, Alex Mirkov, as our only real ruckman. He has only been training for a couple of weeks and doesn't have the fitness yet. When he got the tap, and he got most of our taps, we got goals. He is very raw, coming from volleyball (?), but at 210 cm he had more than a little idea of what he was doing.
The only other ruckman on our VFL list, from memory, is Aaron Gundry, who has been struggling somewhat with injury in the last few weeks.
Mirkov sounds promising. How old is he? Worth a mid-season draft spot? 210 blocks who can jump are hard to find. We can teach him the rest.
Mirkov sounds promising. How old is he? Worth a mid-season draft spot? 210 blocks who can jump are hard to find. We can teach him the rest.
Mirkov is 21, but he looks younger. I doubt we'll take him midyear - he is a fair way off being a competent ruck yet.
However, I think he has considerable promise. He appears a better bet than our Americans were. But his fitness base just isn't there at the moment. He's not used to the running.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbjavKLyhwY
I was there. Stocker was the best listed player by some margin.
I was there too and will provide more feedback when I have time.
I agree with Crash, Stocker was easily our best player but some cautionary remarks:
Apart from the last 10 minutes of the match, when he was thrown into the midfield when others were run off their legs, he spent the game playing as a loose halfback taking kick-ins, uncontested marks and 'handball receives' - so his stats were somewhat flattering. Apart from the last 10 minutes, I did not see him getting very close to many contested balls. Having said that, I would probably play him as a halfback ahead of SPS because he kicks longer and better and seems to make fewer mistakes.
Overall, I was equally impressed by Sam Ramsay who played most of the game in the midfield (until he ran out of legs) and was a more obvious two-way runner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbjavKLyhwY
Good honest review. Who is the bloke giving the assessment? Interesting analysis on our AFL blokes. Setterfield had a stinker, ha!
Billy Gowers kicked 6 goals for Southport and would be Blue Lukas Webb kicked the sealer.
Stocker has to be an automatic in...
Gowers is the sort of player we should have targeted for our VFL side; hard at it, experienced, generally a good finisher, not quite up to it at AFL level but more than capable in the second tier competition.
Gowers is the sort of player we should have targeted for our VFL side; hard at it, experienced, generally a good finisher, not quite up to it at AFL level but more than capable in the second tier competition.
He was up to AFL level but he's a ratbag, and that is a proper ratbag not just a Mitch Robinson type!
Gowers is the sort of player we should have targeted for our VFL side; hard at it, experienced, generally a good finisher, not quite up to it at AFL level but more than capable in the second tier competition.
Agree, think you will find that Southport Sharks probably would offer a better deal with money and lifestyle in sunny Qld.
They are a well run club and while it looks like we got knocked over by some surfies from the burbs they are better equipped to attract players. Tom Fields some may remember as a ex Blue. Our VFL list looks thin on size and experience and we need to correct that going forward. Maybe Kade Simpson could be enticed to play/coach...
Agree, think you will find that Southport Sharks probably would offer a better deal with money and lifestyle in sunny Qld.
They are a well run club and while it looks like we got knocked over by some surfies from the burbs they are better equipped to attract players. Tom Fields some may remember as a ex Blue. Our VFL list looks thin on size and experience and we need to correct that going forward. Maybe Kade Simpson could be enticed to play/coach...
They're a very serious (and monied) Club - they should have been the Gold Coast AFL club but perhaps a clash of egos with the AFL?
From humble beginnings at Owen Park in 1961 to becoming a community leader in sport, leisure and entertainment today, we take pride in entertaining our members. Southport Sharks hosts over a million visitors annually and is one of the largest clubs in Queensland and one of the Gold Coast’s leading clubs with over 55,000 members.
Whilst we have grown in stature, we remain ingrained within the local community and proud to be a key stakeholder in the Gold Coast Health and Knowledge Precinct, with health, fitness and education a priority to Southport Sharks.
Our facilities
Sharks offer a multi-purpose events centre, two restaurants, a café, five bars, two AFL grade ovals, sports facilities, modern 24/7 fitness centre, kids club, gaming facilities and free weekly entertainment.
They're a very serious (and monied) Club - they should have been the Gold Coast AFL club but perhaps a clash of egos with the AFL?
Ironically, I had lunch there last week before the Suns game. Very schmick set-up, clearly no shortage of cash. Fairly handy alma mater as well - Nick Riewoldt, Marcus Ashcroft, Daniel Merrett, and several other current and past AFL names on their honour boards.
I was there too and will provide more feedback when I have time.
I agree with Crash, Stocker was easily our best player but some cautionary remarks:
Apart from the last 10 minutes of the match, when he was thrown into the midfield when others were run off their legs, he spent the game playing as a loose halfback taking kick-ins, uncontested marks and 'handball receives' - so his stats were somewhat flattering. Apart from the last 10 minutes, I did not see him getting very close to many contested balls. Having said that, I would probably play him as a halfback ahead of SPS because he kicks longer and better and seems to make fewer mistakes.
Overall, I was equally impressed by Sam Ramsay who played most of the game in the midfield (until he ran out of legs) and was a more obvious two-way runner who tackles like he means it and kicks very well.
Owies kicked 4 different goals (1 easy snap / 1 snap from a congested pack / one easy one from the goal square / and one beauty from outside 50m on the run) in the first half but was rarely sighted in the second.
Honey flashed in an out. Cuningham spent limited time in the midfield and some up forward - was impressive in spurts but needs to do more at this level.
LOB seems to rarely get out of low gear but actually showed speed that I hadn't seen before when he kicked a long goal on the run during the hectic last 10 minutes - needs to pull his finger out and do it much more often.
Setterfield as a midfielder seems to be primarily focused on his opponent and tackling that opponent; betting the ball seems to be a secondary option.
Durdin seems like a scrapper but is behind Ramsay in the pecking order IMO.
Philp is another who goes hard and fast both ways but he spent a lot of time rotating from the bench and did not reappear after 3/4 time - not sure if he was injured or just being managed to limit his game time.
Not familiar with the VFL listed players but Mirkov might have a future - even though he was rag-dolled by the #10 from Southport, who was the dominant big man. #71 also drew my attention - not a tidy player but he has decent hands and throws himself at every marking contest - also needs to learn to spoil though.
Thanks for that synopsis RiverRat.
Owies kicked 4 different goals (1 easy snap / 1 snap from a congested pack / one easy one from the goal square / and one beauty from outside 50m on the run) in the first half but was rarely sighted in the second.
Honey flashed in an out. Cuningham spent limited time in the midfield and some up forward - was impressive in spurts but needs to do more at this level.
LOB seems to rarely get out of low gear but actually showed speed that I hadn't seen before when he kicked a long goal on the run during the hectic last 10 minutes - needs to pull his finger out and do it much more often.
Setterfield as a midfielder seems to be primarily focused on his opponent and tackling that opponent; betting the ball seems to be a secondary option.
Durdin seems like a scrapper but is behind Ramsay in the pecking order IMO.
Philp is another who goes hard and fast both ways but he spent a lot of time rotating from the bench and did not reappear after 3/4 time - not sure if he was injured or just being managed to limit his game time.
Not familiar with the VFL listed players but Mirkov might have a future - even though he was rag-dolled by the #10 from Southport, who was the dominant big man. #71 also drew my attention - not a tidy player but he has decent hands and throws himself at every marking contest - also needs to learn to spoil though.
Nice one, RR. I haven't done a total summary yet because I've been struggling to find out who was who. No football records again. It is bad enough when you don't know 2/3 of the opposition players, let alone 2/3 of your own! It was embarrassing, and ity did effect the may some people supported.
No football records again. It is bad enough when you don't know 2/3 of the opposition players, let alone 2/3 of your own!
Agreed - The club should have posted a list of players and numbers OR if it did, should have posted it in a location that was easier to locate because I did look.
Agreed - The club should have posted a list of players and numbers OR if it did, should have posted it in a location that was easier to locate because I did look.
If only there was something like an interconnected network that people could access information on....
At least this weeks Magoos game is on Kayo Saturday morning... feet up, looking forward to it... and dare I say, come half time... coupla pies!!! Well, maybe 3 ;D
Based on that summary RR, it's safe to assume that our depth is just about f#cked? Only Stocker and Cunningham worthy of an AFL game at the minute? Even then, Cunningham is still a worry for me at AFL level....you could count on one hand the number of good games he's played in the seniors in the 5 years he's been on the list.
Based on that summary RR, it's safe to assume that our depth is just about f#cked? Only Stocker and Cunningham worthy of an AFL game at the minute? Even then, Cunningham is still a worry for me at AFL level....you could count on one hand the number of good games he's played in the seniors in the 5 years he's been on the list.
Actually, WA, we are not that bad on the depth front compared to recent times. Granted that not all of the guys playing in the 2's last week were worth their place, but we have at least 12 players unavailable, with 8 of them first choice players and a couple of others who have the potential to be. Add them to who played last weekend and the team looks a LOT stronger.
We had a bunch of babies out there, Southport had more AFL experience out there than we did. Even one or two more experienced heads and we probably would have won. Especially if we had a tall to mark the ball or get a tap.
As for those out there, Ramsay will be getting a senior game sooner rather than later. He has a nice left foot and a bit of pace. had we been able to get any taps in the last 15 minutes, it would most likely have been him to get the ball out of the middle.
Corey Durdin is still very on limited minutes, but he will also probably get a senior game this year. he may not be express, but he is quick enough and he knows where the goals are. I'm willing to give him time as he works on his match fitness. I certainly don't expect him to miss from 15 metres directly in front.
Matt Owies kicked 4 goals in the first half and was very good. Unfortunately he dropped his bundle somewhat, dropping marks he should, and usually does, take.
Philp is coming off injury and wasn't that bad. he will get better.
Honey did some brilliant things: he goes missing too much for my taste, but he can do some really nice things.
Lachie O'Brien wasn't bad, he just didn't dominate the way he could have. He certainly lifted late in the game, where others were dropping off. I don't see him as the answer, but he may well get games.
The one who disappointed was Setterfield. He may have had a negative job, as he did have 11 tackles, most of them in the centre square. However, when the game was there to be won, Setters didn't take it by the throat and lift. With a bit of hard running he could have been the marking target we lacked.
In the Dogs v GWS, guys like Ugle-Hagen, Jesse Hogan, Mitch Wallace & Kamis we’re running around. That’s a different level of depth.
In the Dogs v GWS, guys like Ugle-Hagen, Jesse Hogan, Mitch Wallace & Kamis we’re running around. That’s a different level of depth.
True, but we are not that far away from having that, especially as guys like Newman come on line in a few weeks.
Put Newman, Martin, De Koning, Silvagni, Parks, Carroll, Kemp, Fisher back 'into the system' over the next 4-5 weeks (and we don't have too many more injuries....good luck!) and both the Seniors and Reserves look pretty strong.
Doggies might just be having a purple patch where the stars are aligning and there are not too many injuries to their list. That always looks like there is depth when you have a clean list.
Dogs were gifted Treloar and Stef Martin was probably the bargain recruit of the season...
Reminds me of Richmond getting Nankervis.. Their back line is their only weakness..
True, but we are not that far away from having that, especially as guys like Newman come on line in a few weeks.
Newman has played 2 games in 2 years.
Look at Williamson and docherty for reference.
We are underestimating how badly broken these guys are and it really has wrecked this season before it started IMHO.
imagine Charlie, marchbank, docherty and newman all not having 2 years with minimal footy. A fair bit of bona-fide ability in that quartet. Its rare to lose 2 to 2 years worth of injuries but 4 is almost unheard of.
Newman has played 2 games in 2 years.
Whoa there, Newman hardly missed a game in 2019, played all except Rnd 7 and 8.
He only played 2 games last year.
Whoa there, Newman hardly missed a game in 2019, played all except Rnd 7 and 8.
He only played 2 games last year.
You can call it an exaggeration, but the fact remains, he hasnt played a lot of footy for a very long time and is coming back from a very long way.
Last season he was unsighted.
This season he is unsighted.
He is going to be unsighted for quite some time.