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Title: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: crashlander on September 23, 2019, 11:57:08 am
Tonight is the night and Crippa is, again, one of the favourites.

Crippa was our best 10 time this season. However, we did not win many of those games. I would say that he is unlikely to bring home the prize. However, I can hope!
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Mantis on September 23, 2019, 12:26:54 pm
It’s looking like Dangerfield by the experts, but I think Neale will get the rewards.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: tonyo on September 23, 2019, 12:44:30 pm
Tonight is the night and Crippa is, again, one of the favourites.

Crippa was our best 10 time this season. However, we did not win many of those games. I would say that he is unlikely to bring home the prize. However, I can hope!

Crippa got 20 votes last year in a side that only won 2 and got flogged in many - so he is clearly a 'vote-catcher' which goes a long way to getting the gong.

We can only hope.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: capcom on September 23, 2019, 01:33:58 pm
If he isn't in the top three. something is radically wrong.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: madbluboy on September 23, 2019, 01:42:34 pm
If he isn't in the top three. something is radically wrong.

There are 4 guys ahead of him in the betting. Really any of these guys could win it.

$2.50 Dangerfield
$5.00 Neale
$6.50 Fyfe
$7.00 Bontempelli
$11.00 Cripps
$15.00 Grundy
$21.00 Treloar
$34.00 Macrae
$34.00 Tim Kelly
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: flyboy77 on September 23, 2019, 02:43:57 pm
Interesting that 3 of t he top 4 blokes should all have been suspended in a less contrived world.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Jack Burton on September 23, 2019, 02:48:42 pm
That's short for Dangerfield, bookies unlikely to get it wrong by that much
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: LP on September 23, 2019, 02:50:58 pm
As much as I love Cripps I think Neale would be my favorite followed by Fyfe.

Vic based commentators and bookies always underestimate interstate players, also they have huge positive differential in Free For / Against with Neale (+34%) and Fyfe (+33%), while Cripps(+23%) and Dangerfield(+13%) are closer to 50/50! Neale gave away 50% less frees than the other three!

A Brownlow smoky could be Jackson Macrae!
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: flyboy77 on September 23, 2019, 03:46:47 pm
That's short for Dangerfield, bookies unlikely to get it wrong by that much

Kelly was the better player all year. Seems to have been forgotten!
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Jack Burton on September 23, 2019, 03:59:10 pm
Good point, should take some votes off him. If Cripps doesn't win I'd be happy for Neale to win it
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 04:26:31 pm
Kelly was the better player all year. Seems to have been forgotten!

Kelly should be leading it from about rounds 7-12 . It just depends on if Danger can chase him down.

Yes, Crippa was a vote catcher, but despite all his votes last year, i think he only had 2x 3 vote games......our wins from memory.

Cripps was better at the start of the year than he was at the end. If he can steal a few 3 voters early on instead of just 2's and 1's,  then his name might get him a couple of 'C. Judd - 3 votes' games on the back end......that is games where he was not BOG, but his name gets him 3 anyway.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: townsendcalling on September 23, 2019, 05:09:53 pm
I've had a couple of shekels on Crippa leading after 5 rounds....... Go you good thing!!!
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on September 23, 2019, 05:14:18 pm
Kelly was the better player all year. Seems to have been forgotten!

Yep, not bad for a WAFL hack is Kelly, I think he will steal votes from Danger for sure ..I'm going to go Grundy to win it from the Bont and Fyfe/Cripps.
Cripps will suffer from the BOG has to come from the winning team syndrome IMO and probably wont get enough 3 votes, lets hope I am wrong as our man is every bit as good as any of the top fancied players and we deserve some luck..
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Thryleon on September 23, 2019, 05:17:31 pm
Id be getting on Bontempelli for this one.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Jack Burton on September 23, 2019, 05:20:25 pm
What about Cripps to poll more votes than the rest of Carlton combined, paying $5.50
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: cookie2 on September 23, 2019, 05:35:49 pm
According to what I heard on radio earlier today Cripps is more likely to come with a rush in the later rounds. Whether that will be enough is unclear. Best of luck to him though!
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 05:41:05 pm
Id be getting on Bontempelli for this one.

I reckon you have a couple of doggie mids stealing some votes off him.

Who is stealing votes of Cripps? Nobody. If the umps award votes to us, he's getting them.

Same thing with Neale. Who is taking votes off him? They won a lot more games than us too.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: flyboy77 on September 23, 2019, 06:18:30 pm
Zorko, Lyons and Cameron?
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on September 23, 2019, 06:19:07 pm
What about Cripps to poll more votes than the rest of Carlton combined, paying $5.50

Walsh was an umpires favorite at junior level, I reckon he might poll ok...
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 06:29:47 pm
Walsh was an umpires favorite at junior level, I reckon he might poll ok...

He's predicted to not get a single vote.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: cookie2 on September 23, 2019, 06:31:27 pm
Walsh was an umpires favorite at junior level, I reckon he might poll ok...

I haven't heard the pundits mention Walsh much if at all.  Could be a dark horse?
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Jack Burton on September 23, 2019, 06:36:48 pm
I'll be surprised if Walsh gets any votes at all. The umpires give votes to the big names
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: cookie2 on September 23, 2019, 06:45:48 pm
I'll be surprised if Walsh gets any votes at all. The umpires give votes to the big names

True but it would be great for him to snag just a few.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: capcom on September 23, 2019, 07:36:37 pm
He will get some.  Maybe five?
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: DJC on September 23, 2019, 08:12:32 pm
I heard Liam Lenton talking about Brownlow Medal voting bias on the wireless today.  Here’s an excerpt from his article in the Conversation:

Quote
Research I’ve done with Aaron Smith of Loughborough University suggests footballers don’t compete for the Brownlow on a perfectly level playing field. There’s a slight bias towards team leaders.

As a sports economist, I’m fascinated by what the Brownlow Medal count can tell us about the science of evaluating performance in any organisation. In any job, all other things being equal, a performance appraisal may be better (all else equal) once you have worked your way up the corporate ladder. In a perfect meritocracy this would not be the case.

It’s an interesting analysis and the conclusions seem to reflect the data - even though not many skippers have won recently.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: laj on September 23, 2019, 08:32:35 pm
Close so far, it's a 9 way tie in the lead after round 1. ^-^
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 08:37:25 pm
Cripps got 2 more votes than predicted in R3. (Expected finish 2nd)
He was 2 votes behind Danger, who has polled as expected thus far, who was expected to win it.

If the rest of their votes go as predicted, those 2 will share it.

Obviously, plenty of others who will have their say, but Cripps had to make up 2 votes on danger, and he's done that after 2 rounds, so thats a good sign.


Worth noting Jack Martin got BOG in R2.
Perhaps he's not as bad as some make out.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on September 23, 2019, 08:41:05 pm
True but it would be great for him to snag just a few.

I think he will be our second best vote gatherer behind Cripps...
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: DJC on September 23, 2019, 08:45:43 pm
Cripps is consistently picking up votes in losses.  That’s a good sign  :)
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: townsendcalling on September 23, 2019, 08:48:29 pm
I've had a couple of shekels on Crippa leading after 5 rounds....... Go you good thing!!!

Thank you Patrick!!! Now keep going!!
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 08:50:37 pm
Cripps is consistently picking up votes in losses.  That’s a good sign  :)

https://www.afl.com.au/brownlow-medal/predictor

That shows who should get what votes and where.

For Cripps, its been spot on, except he got 3 votes instead of 1 in R2.

Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: laj on September 23, 2019, 09:09:08 pm
https://www.afl.com.au/brownlow-medal/predictor

That shows who should get what votes and where.

For Cripps, its been spot on, except he got 3 votes instead of 1 in R2.

Unfortunately 2 instead of 3 against Collingwood.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 09:14:29 pm
Here's some of the favourites and how they are voting compared to predicted.

Cripps (+3)
Danger (-)
Bont (+2)
Neale (+3)
Fyfe (-)
Kelly (-4)

If that continues, Cripps wins over danger by 1.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: LoveNavy on September 23, 2019, 09:24:20 pm
I heard Crippa's early polling was the highest ever. I think it was 13 after 5 rounds but can't confirm. We'll take all the small wins...

All the best Crippa.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 09:28:59 pm
I heard Crippa's early polling was the highest ever. I think it was 13 after 5 rounds but can't confirm. We'll take all the small wins...

All the best Crippa.

Correct.


Fyfe just got back to back 3 votes in games he was not expected to get a single vote.

Spanner in the works there.

That puts him winning the medal, with Cripps 2nd if it continues as expected.  :(
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: townsendcalling on September 23, 2019, 09:30:22 pm
Vs Brisbane is the next game. Guaranteed 3 votes there and Neale none.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 09:33:34 pm
Player (expected) +/-

Cripps (26) +3
Danger (28) -1
Bont (22) +2
Neale (24) -1
Fyfe (25) +6
Kelly (24) 0
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: laj on September 23, 2019, 09:34:16 pm
Correct.


Fyfe just got back to back 3 votes in games he was not expected to get a single vote.

Spanner in the works there.

That puts him winning the medal, with Cripps 2nd if it continues as expected.  :(

Fyfe has 20 votes when he was "supposed" to have 14.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 09:35:46 pm
Fyfe has 20 votes when he was "supposed" to have 14.

Way ahead of ya Jimbo ;)
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: laj on September 23, 2019, 09:37:55 pm
Way ahead of ya Jimbo ;)

I was alot slow..lol.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: laj on September 23, 2019, 09:40:48 pm
We have a bye and two games Cripps missed in the next 3 rounds.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 09:46:03 pm
Fyfe expecting 3, 3, 2, 1 from here.
Cripps expecting 3, 3, 1, 1

Cripps a vote behind Fyfe and expecting to get a vote less than Fyfe from here.

....although Cripps not expecting a vote in the thrashing from cats, despite getting 35 touches, 13 clearances, 8 tackles and 1 goal. Might sneak a vote or 2 in that, Danger to get the 3 with 34 and 4.3


Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 10:01:24 pm
Eddie wins goal of the year.

Not bad for an old bloke.

Maybe we should recruit him.....
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: laj on September 23, 2019, 10:07:41 pm
Cripps was to supposed to get 3 in Rd 17, sadly got none.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 10:10:34 pm
And the winner is. Nat Fyfe.

You can all go to bed now.


Fyfe got a 3 instead of a 2.

Its his medal to lose.

Danger will get 3x BOGs in the last 3 rounds and should finish on 28 votes.

Fyfe only needs 1 more to cover danger off and is expecting 2 more BOGs.

Cripps should've got 3 against the swans...and is only expecting 5 more from here.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: laj on September 23, 2019, 10:16:20 pm
And the winner is. Nat Fyfe.

You can all go to bed now.


Fyfe got a 3 instead of a 2.

Its his medal to lose.

Danger will get 3x BOGs in the last 3 rounds and should finish on 28 votes.

Fyfe only needs 1 more to cover danger off and is expecting 2 more BOGs.

Cripps should've got 3 against the swans...and is only expecting 5 more from here.

Yep. All done now.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: capcom on September 23, 2019, 10:19:18 pm
How could you possibly compare Fyfe to Cripps?  Another sad joke.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: laj on September 23, 2019, 10:29:05 pm
All over with 2 rounds to go. Fyfe is 7 ahead.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: laj on September 23, 2019, 10:35:04 pm
Predictor was close overall except for Fyfe, who got 8 more than predicted.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: shawny on September 23, 2019, 10:36:20 pm
Dangerfields sooky face once he knew he had lost was a carbon copy of Ablett when he was favourite to win. Like a spoilt kid that didn’t get his way.

No wonder they are so disliked.

Fyfe a worthy winner imo. Likeable fellow. Well done.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 23, 2019, 10:39:00 pm
That was Cripps last chance to win a brownlow.

Walsh and co will start pulling their weight a lot more from here on out.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Micky0 on September 23, 2019, 10:39:27 pm
Disappointed.

Boy the club owe Cripps with some proper team success ASAP!  What a season for him in a team languishing on the bottom for most of it. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on September 23, 2019, 10:46:14 pm
That was Cripps last chance to win a brownlow.

Walsh and co will start pulling their weight a lot more from here on out.

Fair point.....Fyfe will go down as a great now he has two brownlows but Cripps might get that couple of premierships
that Fyfe wont unless he leaves the Dockers.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: capcom on September 23, 2019, 10:48:54 pm
Geelong loses twice ... perfect
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: JonHenry on September 23, 2019, 10:49:45 pm
Cripps was stuffed after carrying the midfield for half a year with 4 kids trying to help him.
Second half of the year he faded.
Might bode well for the team when the load is spread properly
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: LoveNavy on September 23, 2019, 10:49:49 pm
Dangerfields sooky face once he knew he had lost was a carbon copy of Ablett when he was favourite to win. Like a spoilt kid that didn’t get his way.

No wonder they are so disliked.

Fyfe a worthy winner imo. Likeable fellow. Well done.

I said just that when I saw Dangerfield's sulky puss face???? well deserved non winner imo
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: shawny on September 23, 2019, 10:51:26 pm
That was Cripps last chance to win a brownlow.

Walsh and co will start pulling their weight a lot more from here on out.

Don’t agree. Cripps hasn’t peaked yet the majority of the leagues best are at their peak.

Plus we will win more next year and winning teams get more votes.

I’m very confident he will have 2 at least before his career is over.

Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: LoveNavy on September 23, 2019, 11:16:53 pm
Walsh polled well for a 1st yr draftee.
Well done to all our boys who got votes.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: townsendcalling on September 23, 2019, 11:27:52 pm
How could you possibly compare Fyfe to Cripps?  Another sad joke.

Fyfe is a very worthy winner and a great player.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: LP on September 23, 2019, 11:31:37 pm
Well done Cripps, I think the votes basically went as expected.

It's tough to win the Brownlow now if you are Vic based and you have a interstate player in form and playing most games,  they get votes at their home ground, the crowd influence means the big names only have to play half a game to poll a vote at home.

For example Rnd 23, many media had Cripps potentially BoG in a losing side with Dangerfield and Ablett, yet he didn't even poll a vote at Simonds Stadium! Round 17 Cripps was nearly unanimously BoG in media, and didn't even get a vote, we had Newman BoG though!

Brownlow voting in some respect is no different to awarding free kicks!

The key to getting Cripps a Brownlow is for Carlton fans to sign up and show up with their voice volume set to 11!

This is another hidden cost of ditching Princes Park, the Collo gift that keeps on giving!
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: LP on September 23, 2019, 11:33:42 pm
Fyfe is a very worthy winner and a great player.

Agreed, the only thing is I found some of the voting didn't follow form lines, there were votes when none were expected. But I won't look at it in detail until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: flyboy77 on September 24, 2019, 08:15:01 am
Both he and Dangerfield should have had asterisks against their names!
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Thryleon on September 24, 2019, 09:24:22 am
That was Cripps last chance to win a brownlow.

Walsh and co will start pulling their weight a lot more from here on out.

Fair point, but Im not so sure.

Dusty managed a brownlow, norm smith, and flag all in one year.

Cripps could do that.

Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: LP on September 24, 2019, 09:57:35 am
Fair point, but Im not so sure.

Dusty managed a brownlow, norm smith, and flag all in one year.

Cripps could do that.

Fyfe told you the secret to his success last night, team-mates who willingly sacrifice for him!

FFS, we throw our players to the wolves by comparison!

Handbaggers can think about that as they watch Tuohy and Henderson jog on by another pummeled team-mate!

I'd argue we became a better side in the 2nd half of 2019 because we became less dependent on Cripps, I said as much in one of the match day threads, that Cripps was learning to sacrifice so that the team benefits, he can influence games without being the driver!

Do you think Wallsy going ballistic post match had anything to do with the team's renaissance?
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: dodge on September 24, 2019, 10:26:06 am
Congratulations to Fyfe who won well and spoke very well.

Hawthorn had 14 players poll.
Carlton, Port, Richmond and St Kilda had 13
Everyone else except Melbourne (7) and Gold Coast (5) had 10-12 players get votes.

Carlton finished 12th in terms of total votes for clubs and 15th for average votes per player (4.62)

Not that you would use Brownlow votes as a metric, but we did better than our finishing position on the ladder.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: tonyo on September 24, 2019, 11:24:22 am
Congratulations to Fyfe who won well and spoke very well.

Hawthorn had 14 players poll.
Carlton, Port, Richmond and St Kilda had 13
Everyone else except Melbourne (7) and Gold Coast (5) had 10-12 players get votes.

Carlton finished 12th in terms of total votes for clubs and 15th for average votes per player (4.62)

Not that you would use Brownlow votes as a metric, but we did better than our finishing position on the ladder.

Mainly because of one guy - stating the obvious, the load needs sharing.

Most pleasing was that many of our vote-getters are from the younger brigade - Walsh, SPS, Setterfield, McKay, Weitering, Kennedy, Charlie.  Makes quite a change from the same-old names that have appeared during recent years.

Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: capcom on September 24, 2019, 01:25:17 pm
He will get some.  Maybe five?

Well, he got six.  You earned them son
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: thefutureisblue on September 24, 2019, 02:32:08 pm
Interesting stat.

Cripps has never polled a Brownlow vote against a team lower on the ladder.
All his votes (ignoring round 1) have come when playing a team higher on the ladder.

He is certainly a great leader.

btw... I predict that stat will end next year when we start winning more games than we lose :)
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: flyboy77 on September 24, 2019, 04:38:55 pm
I see the whole things - Fyfe winning - as contrived.

Round 10 - they beat Brissy by 1 point.

AFL report - Fyfe listed as the 6th best freo player (Hill 1st) - Fyfe 3 votes.

Round 14 - bad loss to Dees, Fife gets a vote and Hill was named Freo's best

Round 17 - bad loss to Hawks - gets 3 votes.

i watched that game, no way was he BOG.

Round 21 - pipped by the Saints

3 votes - maybe.....

Still, prefer him to Danger (the latter makes me want to puke)

Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Thryleon on September 24, 2019, 05:13:52 pm
I see the whole things - Fyfe winning - as contrived.

Round 10 - they beat Brissy by 1 point.

AFL report - Fyfe listed as the 6th best freo player (Hill 1st) - Fyfe 3 votes.

Round 14 - bad loss to Dees, Fife gets a vote and Hill was named Freo's best

Round 17 - bad loss to Hawks - gets 3 votes.

i watched that game, no way was he BOG.

Round 21 - pipped by the Saints

3 votes - maybe.....

Still, prefer him to Danger (the latter makes me want to puke)

He got 2 votes against us.

Jack Silvagni beat him soundly after half time.  I dont understand how he polled votes that day.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Micky0 on September 24, 2019, 05:36:52 pm
I’ve that Freo game a Few times and he was dead on his feet but kept going - it was noticeable to me.  Not sure he should’ve been gotten 2 but thank the universe Dangerfield didn’t get it ????????

Of course it would’ve been great for Cripps and deserving but he missed 2 games and played in a team that lost its coach mid year whilst on the bottom of the ladder - amazing effort by him ????????
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: flyboy77 on September 24, 2019, 06:44:16 pm
I’ve that Freo game a Few times and he was dead on his feet but kept going - it was noticeable to me.  Not sure he should’ve been gotten 2 but thank the universe Dangerfield didn’t get it ????????

Of course it would’ve been great for Cripps and deserving but he missed 2 games and played in a team that lost its coach mid year whilst on the bottom of the ladder - amazing effort by him ????????

I was at the game. He had a stellar patch (maybe in Q2) otherwise did sfa....
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Professer E on September 24, 2019, 07:13:59 pm
Cripps want a premiership medal,  not a poser medal.
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: kruddler on September 24, 2019, 08:23:43 pm
Cripps want a premiership medal,  not a poser medal.

Cripps has what no other person has, or will ever have.

A BOG/superboot winner in AFLX.










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Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: LoveNavy on September 24, 2019, 09:47:23 pm
I see the whole things - Fyfe winning - as contrived.

Round 10 - they beat Brissy by 1 point.

AFL report - Fyfe listed as the 6th best freo player (Hill 1st) - Fyfe 3 votes.

Round 14 - bad loss to Dees, Fife gets a vote and Hill was named Freo's best

Round 17 - bad loss to Hawks - gets 3 votes.

i watched that game, no way was he BOG.

Round 21 - pipped by the Saints

3 votes - maybe.....

Still, prefer him to Danger (the latter makes me want to puke)

He has that effect on me too. Amazing isn't it - our human propensities. Love what we love (insert Navy ????) and hate what we hate (insert Danger and his puke evoking coach????)
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: LP on September 25, 2019, 08:11:17 am
He has that effect on me too. Amazing isn't it - our human propensities. Love what we love (insert Navy ????) and hate what we hate (insert Danger and his puke evoking coach????)

Danger is the new James Turd!

Don't forget if you meet them to walk away backwards bowing, and never turn your back!
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Jack Burton on September 26, 2019, 03:03:57 pm
My final thoughts on the Brownlow. In Round 18 Liam Jones got 10 coaches votes. Both coaches thought he was the best player on the ground. The umpires didn't think he was in the top 3 on the ground. Exactly the same thing happened to Levi Casboult in Round 22, 10 coaches votes, 0 Brownlow votes. The AFLPA MVP is a much more meaningful award, even if it doesn't have the history and glamour about it
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: LP on September 26, 2019, 03:38:32 pm
My final thoughts on the Brownlow. In Round 18 Liam Jones got 10 coaches votes. Both coaches thought he was the best player on the ground. The umpires didn't think he was in the top 3 on the ground. Exactly the same thing happened to Levi Casboult in Round 22, 10 coaches votes, 0 Brownlow votes. The AFLPA MVP is a much more meaningful award, even if it doesn't have the history and glamour about it

You think the AFLPA would switch onto this and monetize the event, I suspect it would become more prestigious and lucrative than the Brownlow in no time at all. Money directly in their own pocket! The same applies to the AFLCA.

To me it's a simple hierarchy;
Player Awards (Peer voted, big sample size, premium and meaningful)
Coaches Awards (In the know, but some bias)
Club Awards (A tad political)
Umpire Awards (Close observers, midfield biased, some bias(see Diesel))
Media Awards (Just Corrupt)
Title: Re: Brownlow Medal Thread 2019: Can Crippa get it?
Post by: Jack Burton on September 26, 2019, 03:51:37 pm
Good summary LP, I agree