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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS
Quote from: Lods on
To me the issue has always been a case of thinking in the present rather than thinking about what might be achieved.
That could never be done without them at least playing some time together, and developing that combination.
It won't always work, or even be the best option every game.
But if you don't try you never know, and that's not going to happen with one of them stuck in the VFL.

Yeah, but you could say that about a million different permutations.

Why dont we try 6 small forwards in the side.
Why don't we try 3 rucks in the side.
Its not through lack of trying that we have got to this point, its been through lack of output.
The output we have got from them last game was very good. The week before, less so. Next week, who knows.
The most promising thing to come out of last week was the ability of TDK to be a genuine forward.
Never kicked 3 goals before.
Never crumbed a goal (AFAIK).
He has always had the potential to do it.....just never put it all together.
Hopefully that was his turning point.
Hopefully next week we do not see the 'old TDK' come back.

I mentioned previously that against injury riddled defensive unit from GWS, inside with ideal conditions at Marvel was the perfect breeding ground for his success.
Outside, in the swirly wind in slippery conditions (which might be this week) may not be so rewarding for him, and the team.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: VFLW 2024
Quote from: Professer E on
Crash, is this comp like a second tier, out of season thing, not the full blown professional competition?

Basically yes.

The real thing is the AFLW......and technecially THAT is 'out of season' with the way they keep moving the start/end times around.

The VFLW is equivalent to the VFL. Made up of non-listed players with top talent sprinkled in.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Best 22 of 2024 - Part 3 - After Round 6
Quote from: LP on
I find it's getting difficult to narrow it down to 22, because I think the best team probably comes from 24 or 25 players subject to the opposition. In that regard I find a best 22 a bit redundant, in much the same way handing out medals on GF day to the "22" is also redundant.

We are using the wisdom of the group to work out our best players.
22, 23, 25.....doesn't matter. End result is the same, we'll find the best players...only thing that changes is the distrubution of votes amongst them. ;)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS
Quote from: Thryleon on
We'll see how we against the cats.
I'd only play one ruckman this week.  The cats have historically surrendered clearance dominance to win field position.

You are correct about Cats game style.
However, that is true once the ball is in play and they can players off the ball.
From 6-6-6 centre bounces, they can't do that. That is where have been most effective. We would win field position early. If we can turn our centre clearances into goals more often than not, they won't have a chance to win field position. Once its around the ground, their setups make that easier to do.
It will be an interesting chess game.

As good as we were last week with both Pitto and TDK, i'm not sure that they can keep that up every week and against the wiley cats will be a bigger test than against the Giants IMO.

But if we win the centre clearance, get a good kick forward, we have the talent to convert and its very hard to stop.
We just need to make sure we hit a target and convert
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG
Quote from: LP on
Hardly had any footy but ironically it was probably his best game, even so 6 disposals isn't going to cut it, he needs to find a way to get involved in more chains of play.

Fantasia...
He's played 6 games.
He averages 7.6 touches and 1.1 tackle.
He's kicked 2.2 goals.behinds, 5 goal assists.

Durdin...
He's played 5 games.
He averages 5.7 touches and 2.8 tackles.
He's kicked 5.2 goals.behinds, 1 goal assist.

Owies...
He's played 6 games.
He averages 8.2 touches and 1.8 tackles.
He's kicked 8.4 goals.behinds, 0 goal assists

Thats a big enough sample size for mine.

Fantasia is almost 29.
He is being outplayed by a 22yo in Durdin, and a former late starting rookie basketballer who is 27 in Owies.
Play Moir or Motlop depending on who is fit and in form and give him a spell in the 2's.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS
@DJC...
Re rucks.....
Pitto only played 50% game time last week. Up to 70% this week.
They are still easing him back into the game so don't take current ruck numbers from past week (and this week) as 'normal'.
We are still finding our 'normal'.

Pitto had more HTA, but had more contests, so TDK was more effective this week. That is a rarity, but could become more common with Pitto taking more ruck contests.
As people are aware, Pitto grinds down the opponents and TDK benefits by jumping over them. The more Pitto takes, the better TDK will be. Thats why its important for him to find a niche as a forward.

Some ruck stats....
RC->HTA% vs Giants (Reminder this is 'hitouts to advantage / ruck contests attended - or likelyhood of a hitout to advantage from each individual ruck contest)
TDK - 22%
Pitto - 15%
Briggs - 8%

That is elite from both Pitto and TDK. Anything about 11% is about average. Anything 12% and above is in the top half. 15% and above is probably top 3-5.

As a comparison....last week (RC-HTA%)
Pitto - 10%
TDK - 5.5%
Obrien - 20%

2024.....(RC-HTA%)
Pitto - 12.7%
TDK - 11%

2023...
Pitto - 14.7%
TDK - 11.2%

2022....
Pitto - 17.1%
TDK - 11.5%

Some clearance stats....
Pitto was 2nd in clearances this week, 3rd the week before (despite 50% TOG) and is offering plenty after the contest. Elite ranking in centre clearances and above average in total clearances. TDK is listed as below average in this. However, this doesn't take into account how many times they are playing 'as a ruck'. So similar to hitouts to advantage, the following stats are true representations on how effective they are getting a clearance from ruck contests attended.

RC->Clearance%
2024
Pitto - 12.7% - off the charts
TDK - 11% - excellent

202
Pitto - 5%
TDK - 11%

2022
Pitto - 6%
TDK - 5%


So right now, both rucks are playing out of their skins and being elite in the ruck contests and clearances. They are also hitting the scoreboard as well. Both appear fit and full of confidence. Hopefully they can keep up these efforts, including up forward, and i think staying fit is key to this.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Full agree...the two specialist rucks playing works best with Pitto doing the grunt work early especially vs the opposition meathead type rucks like Briggs and then when they tire TDK can jump all over them later in the game. Harry and Charlie often appear on the wings or even half back to take a mark and drag their opponent up the ground which then leaves the other one alone with his opponent and our two dont lose too many of those contests if we can get the ball down to them quickly.

Yep, you are both right.

However i'll take issue with 1 point. TDK is no longer a specialist ruck. He can be a genuine forward option now, which was something that had been lacking previously.
He was always capable of taking the odd mark and kicking the odd goal, but he is doing that more consistently now and showing the small forwards how to crumb the ball as well. He's become a much more all-rounded player.

Pitto as #1 ruck plays to his strengths.
TDK as #2 ruck/forward plays to his strengths.

It might be a bit different when we play on a windy/wet deck in the middle of winter, but in ideal conditions of Marvel, it works.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2024 Post Game Review Carlton vs GWS
Quote from: laj on
TDK is regularly showing he can take a mark and kick a goal when forward.

Two rucks works PROVIDED one can play forward. We have that hence can work. If do don't then you can't play 2 rucks, ala Gawn and Grundy, as it ends up a liability to the side. You basically play one short.

Nailed it Jimbo.

This has been my issue in the 2 ruck debate since it started.
Last night TDK morphed from a ruck into a genuine forward option. THAT is what we have been wanting from him. THAT is what Silvagni was offering in the past and why he was my preference.
If TDK can continue to be a genuine option up forward, not just making up the numbers, then it can work. It was ideal conditions for him last night, that is, inside Marvel stadium (no rain, wind) and against an undermanned GWS defence. Hopefully he can still do it in future games, but it wont be as easy.

I was critical last week because Pitto played 50% and TDK 75% game time, meaning a ruck was on the bench for 3/4s of the game.
Last night it was Pitto 68% and TDK 80%, meaning we only had a ruck on the bench for basically 50% of the game. We had an extra quarter of other rotations. Potentially with 2 games under his belt now and TDK blossoming up forward, those numbers may go up again next week....which is all we want. That way it doesn't eat into our other rotations too much. TDK is basically playing Silvagnis role now.

For those commenting about Charlie going back....this is not new. He's been doing it relatively regularly. He was doing it in the finals last year. He's been doing it earlier this year as well.

I can't help but think part of our ability to come back and rally has something to do with our supporter base.
We are by far the loudest crowd going at present and when we get on a role, we really start rocking the stadium. Giants wouldn't have known what hit them. We have a genuine home ground advantage and not just against interstate teams.