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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: In Game Action: 2020 AFL Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide in Brisbane
Pittonet has clearly been beaten around the ground as Ladhams has had plenty of the ball.
In the ruck contest i think he has been beaten too, just, but there was at least 2 dodgy ball ups that he was not allowed to get too, and technically should've been recalled.

But the thing about Pittonet is that he doesn't give up. He got pantsed by Gawn in Q1, then came back to win the contest by the final siren. Lets hope for similar today.

There are quite a few blokes who need to stand up in the second half.
Casboult miss from 10m out hurt. What is a 6-point game, shouldve been a 1 point game.
But, its a closs game from here and whoever wins the second half, wins the game. Lets increase our pressure from here.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet
Pfffttt a debate based on the complex number.

You've spent several pages defending stats you made up, which I suspect might in the eyes of many consign your opinion to the dungeons of irrelevance given the seemingly plastic nature of the definitions.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, I sued the numbers you delivered presuming them to be true, and I found them to be false, which you seem to have confirmed from your own keyboard!

How does anyone debate your "numerical facts", if we take what you post as legitimate and find a flaw in your conclusions you debunk those criticism effectively using a spirited defence of "That can't be true because I made the stats up, nah, nah nah nah!"

I suspect if we debunk your conclusions from your made up stats using real statistics, you'll probably defend your claims with a call of "That's not what I meant by the definition!"

Further rather than defend your claims with some hard evidence, you resort to petty verbal, which I'm sure you'll defend using reflection.

The irony for me is that I credited Pittonet with 3.5 hits to advantage a game, which you basically lauded as some sort of fraud or derision of Pittonet, then you offer a new/revised imaginary definition under what effectively is a defence of "I made it up, so that is not what I meant". In the wash up even the revised definition probably rates Pittonet for grand total of about +1/2 of a hit out to advantage more. Stats presented by yourself as a percentage to make it look like a bigger difference, but when +/- 1 hitout changes the percentage by +/- 4% or 5% do you expect readers to take you seriously?


The stats i 'made up' are something a primary school kid can get their head around.
For the record another 'made up' stat could be Goal kicking accuracy that INCLUDES shots missed out on the full. The reason it is 'made up' is not because it is magical in nature, its simply because there is no defined stat that is readily available to the public.

So to spell it out to the supposed engineer who can't comprehend basic math....

Total ruck contests - This is a stat that you can find.
Total hitouts - This is a stat you can find
Total hitouts to advantage - This is a stat you can find
HItouts to advantage from ruck contests attended - This is the stat i 'made up'.

Do i need to explain where it came from again?
A = How many hitouts to advantage did you have for the game? - This stat is available.
B = How many ruck contests did you attend? - This stat is available

A / B = What percentage of ruck contests did you attend where you managed a hitout to advantage.(%) Which i have 'made up' and called CA%

If you don't trust my numbers, bully for you, check the AFL website for yourself. The numbers are there.
If you want me to hold your hand and walk you through it.....even further....then swallow your pride and ask.

Don't spout complete and utter BS about proving numbers wrong and making stuff up and credibility this when you have no idea what you are talking about. Anyone can find these numbers. I just managed to use a calculator and calculate a %, and am providing it to you as proof of what my eyes were telling me - Pittonet is ELITE in his ruckwork.

Before you write some longwinded retort which will embarrass you further, i advise you to re-read what i wrote and look for the numbers yourself. You might be shocked to find out that you are 100% wrong! I forgive you. Forgive yourself.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 7: Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Bookies are normally pretty spot on, didnt look at what they had us last week, do you know/recall?
i reckon we were mid-late $2 odds, say $2.8 to win.

Pre game was all about how if the dogs win they'll be in 2nd. No air time given to us if we were to win, certainly no mention of us making the 8.

We surprised a lot of people last week. Would love to do it again.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet
So, injury-prone Phillips had a better game against English than Pittonet did.  Perhaps we should have kept Flip  :-\

Of course, I think that casting Flip adrift was a no-brainer and Pittonet is a much better long term option.  However, Flip's performance tonight highlights how far Pittonet has to go before he can be considered a genuine AFL first ruck, despite alleged hitouts to advantage.



One mans opinion....and not shared by others it seems. I didn't see the game so i cannot comment.

I was curious to lookup the ruck stats.
Phillips - 50 contests, 28 hitouts, 4 to advantage - CA% = 8%
English - 53 contests, 16 hitouts, 7 to advantage - CA% = 13%

This highlights what i've been saying about hitouts meaning nothing. It crapouts to advantage, and specifically, contests to advantage.
In the traditional sense, English got 'smashed' in hitouts.
In reality, he was more effective in the ruck contests than Phillips was.
Phillips may have got his hand to the ball more, but if its just dropped into a pile of players, what good does it do?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet
Yes, but unless we're kicking 30 goals per game, or unless we become a stoppage obsessed team, most of the time he's on the ground he's not actually practicing the part of his craft that allows him to tap. So the other aspects of his game must also be taken into consideration.

I wasn't expecting anywhere near what he has delivered, but I wouldn't be going the early crow just yet.

15 times a quarter (on average) is when he is able to stamp his influence on the game purely as a ruckman.

Thats probably more chances than most.....and whatever else he gets around the ground is on top of that.

I think its been so long since we have had a dominant ruck that we've forgotten what type of influence they can provide in the stoppages.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet
https://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I293957,CD_I298290&comparisonTab=h2h

Before anyone starts foaming at the mouth, I'm not expecting MP to be like Grundy. just comparing him to the current gold standard.

Select "season avg" and "advanced stats" to get a better picture.

....and what do i see?

Hitouts to advantage
Marc Pittonet - 36.6% - ELITE
Brodie Gundy - 27.1% - Below average

....and thats all i'm talking about. Hitouts, ruck craft, the ability to influence the game at ruck contests!

.....and my stat would show an ever more flattering view when you take into account total ruck contests, not just the ones where you get your hand on the ball first!

Nowhere have i said anything about his around the ground stuff. ;)

FWIW, he's still only played 12 games.
Brody grundy has played 139 games. 1100+% more games!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The rise and RISE of Marc Pittonet
FWIW, his season total is as follows.

He has competed in 296 ruck contests so far this season.
He has won 134 hitouts (45%)
He has a total of 49 hitouts to advantage so far this season.
So 37% of the hitouts he wins go directly to our advantage.
and 17% of all ruck contests he competes in, goes to our advantage.

That means a little over 1 in 6 ruck contests he competes in, the ball goes directly to our advantage.
Can you imagine getting the ball handed to you via a free kick from 1 in 6 stoppages? That is essentially what he is doing with his ruck work.

Which is why i'm banging on about his efforts thus far because by the AFLs own stats, he is ELITE in that area.